Small update for the video! I went back and credited the artists who came up with all the awesome fakemons I used in this video in the description and I will make sure to always do that in the future. Thank you guys for all of your support on this video I really appreciate it.
Steel/fire vs grass/fairy Grass/fairy vs Dragon/water Dragon/water vs steel /fire (fire vs steel and steel vs dragon(could introduce a steel move that does super effective against Dragon pokemon like freeze-dry does water pokemon who usually resist them)
+Joe Southard Grass would counter water, but when the water type gains dragon typing as well it would only be weak to the fairy typing, but Fire/poison would 2x hit grass/fairy w/ fire and 4x with poison, as well as 4x resist both grass and fairy. Then Water would be supereffective against the Fire, but Dragon is only neutral to fire and poison. It'd be pretty unbalanced with the fire starter (once again) coming out on top.
Sinnoh kind of already did the reverse type triangle. Torterra's Ground was super effective against Infernape, Infernape's Fighting was super effective against Empoleon, and Empoleon has access to Ice type attacks which obliterate Torterra.
If this has already been pointed out, feel free to tell me. But there is another type triangle that could potentially replace Fire-Water-Grass. It would be Rock-Fighting-Flying. Rock < Fighting, Fighting < Flying, Flying < Rock, and vice versa. (Fighting > Rock, Rock > Flying, Flying > Fighting.)
If it were up to me, the next starters would have Grass + Fairy, Fire + Ice, and Water + Fighting. The effectiveness is even all around, and we could get some pretty cool designs.
+jsleahy76 How did they pay homage to gen 1? If anyone did that it was generation 5 with the amount of pokémon that were supposed to resemble the generation 1 pokemon.
+Duane Blommaert (LilSniff) Santalune Forest was literally Viridian Forest, all of the legendaries you can catch (other tha the new ones) are from Kanto, you get to have one of the Gen I starters, and a good number of the mega of evolutions introduced were of Gen I Pokémon. That being said, Gen V tried to be a modern Gen I (btw I LOVE Gen V) by making new Pokémon similar to old ones, Gen VI literally took Pokémon and areas from Gen I directly, while Gen V was just very inspired by Gen I.
+Hiro Animation Gen II literally included the Kanto region. Gen III had... um... Help me out here... and Gen V and VI... well we mentioned that already.
+jsleahy76 That could work. Some other possible typings for a Mega Feraligatr, which I would love to see, are Water/Dark, Water/Ground, or Water/Steel with the ability being Strong Jaw or at least Tough Claws. If it's part Dragon, then Dragon Claw, Dual Chop, and Outrage will be STAB. They should make a Dragon-type biting attack as well. If it's part Dark, then Crunch and Bite will be STAB and be made stronger by Strong Jaw or Tough Claws. It could be Water/Ground since gators and crocs are associated with the swamps, plus Earthquake would become STAB. Iron tail, and a potential Steel-type biting move that should also exist, would become STAB if Mega Feraligatr was Water/Dragon. These, of course, are just my thoughts and opinions.
I really enjoyed this video and listening to your opinions. I do have a problem, though. You used a lot of different art without giving any credit to the artists. I assume that most, if not all, of the art isn't yours, because they all have different styles to them. I notice that this happens often in your videos. I'd like to keep watching and supporting your channel, because, again, I very much enjoyed listening to your opinions. But if you're going to continue using art without giving credit, I'm going to stop watching. I know that my denouncement of your channel might seem inconsequential, but I thought that you should know that what you are doing is not right.
+Hicupguy First off I really appreciate the kind words and I am glad you enjoyed the video! In response to the art that is not mine I am going to make it a point to credit the artist's who designed the art in my descriptions going forward. I also plan to fix up this description and the other one which has other people's art in the video to give the artists credit, but that will not be until later in the week when I get some more free time. I appreciate you calling me out, I meant no harm in using the art but you are very right and it is only fair to give credit where it is due!
+PokeMEN Thank you. It's good to know that you realize this and are intending on fixing it moving forward. I'll be looking forward to your content in the future.
+PokeMEN I actually kinda expect the starters to be Fire/Poison, Grass/Fairy and Water/Dragon. I'm not sure, but it just feels like something they'd do in order to show off Fairy a little more. And since the last gen had a double up on the triangle, they'd likely do the same next gen. But to get to the original topic, yeh. I'm pretty sure I've seen some "professional" concept artists make a couple of those arts. Also, great work on the video.
+Hicupguy Finally got around to crediting the art in the description, again thank you for the criticism I'll make sure to always do this going forward!
+ヽ(*≧ω≦)ノ Cat If not pure Fire, I could see Mega Typhlosion as perhaps Fire/Electric with STAB Thunder Punch. As long as it looks cool, is never Fire/Fighting, and never has Solar Power or some bad ability, I could be okay with a potential Mega Typhlosion. I do, in fact, want a Mega Evolution for each fully-evolved Johto starter.
Seeing as Typhlosion is based on the honey badger sort of, the fire-poison would be great as the honey badger is a bit immune to the venom of a snake that it eats, so why not give that typing as mega, it would fit nicely
+ヽ(*≧ω≦)ノ Cat That is exactly what I thought while watching this video. Except for Mega Typhlosion being Fire Poison. But after a bit of thought it would make sense. Both of it's pre-evolutions (Cyndaquil and Quilava) have the word "quill" in their name so moves like Poison Sting, Toxic Spikes and others would kind of be justified.
I completely agree with what you guys just said! Water-fighting/Water-Dragon was exactly what I was thinking! :D P.S. Excellent job on the video, I was with you the whole way!
All these starter ideas seem really interesting! Normally when I play I usually hate the water starters (I dislike almost all of them and/or have better choices) but these ideas seem really interesting.
They missed their chance with the Gen 6 starters... if they done grass/fighting, fire/dark and water/psychic (or any of two other combos), then each starter would have coverage for the starter they're weak to. Instead they went with the dual super effectiveness for each starter. Stupid decision IMO.
+willprogresivo But if that were the case, it should be Water/Fighting, Fire/Psychic, and Grass/Dark for two very good reasons. They could keep the same themes pretty much just making Chesnaught a berserker instead of a knight, and the Fire-type *not* getting the secondary typing that has an immunity.
jjmblue7 Either of the 3 possible ways to make each starter have coverage for the type it's weak to works fine with me. Thing was that almost all of the combos already existed in several pokemon. Of course fire/fighting was out of the question, so that left fire/dark and fire/psychic. You've already got Houndoom, but then you've got only a legendary and a "zen mode" poke which sucks IMO, so I think Delphox was a good idea (even tho I don't like its design) for fire/psychic. So that leaves the only possible Grass/Dark (with Shiftry and Cacturne being the only two so far) and Water/Fighting (with Poliwrath being the only one aside from a legendary). Without fire/fighting, you'd have go with fire/dark, grass/fighting (Breloom the only example) and water/psychic (slowbro line and starmie).
They should do a Flying, Rock and Fighting starter. this would be a good pure triangle. You could also dual type these to the original types to remain a good pure 2x effective dual type, for example: Fire/Rock > Flying/Grass > Water/Fighting > Fire/Rock. would be cool i think.
People dont understand type triangles and tend to just look at the offensive side of it. There is a defensive side to the type triangle. Look at water, fire and grass. While the offensive cycle is known to all, defensive side is not known to all. For example, each of these types' attacks are super effective on one type of the triangle and not very effective on the other type. Fire moves have 2x against grass but 1/2 against water. Grass moves 2x water but 1/2x fire. Water moves 2x fire but 1/2x grass. Your type triangle of dark, fighting and psychic is NOT a type triangle. Dark = 2x psychic and 1/2x fighting. Fighting = 2xdark and 1/2x psychic. **But psychic = 2x fighting but 0x dark** . Thats why its not a type triangle. You need one type of the triangle to be 2x against one and 1/2x against another. Basically the defensive side needs to be balanced as well. It's surprising but actually no other such type triangles exist in pokemon in the current situation. So we can only have one triangle starters right now.
+KARTIKEYA007 This is not a Type Triangle but I really like The interecation with these 5 Types. Dark, Ghost, Psychic, Fighting and Normal. So many of them are immune to each other or just one of them is, and Dark seems to be at the Top of it All. I think if they did want a Type Triangle that would work AND one of them did say they wanted a Water Fighting.... My thoughts are the Triangle of Dark,Fighting And Psychic, Hope I didn't mess that up. Even if Dark is immune to psychic, Fighting Beats Dark, Dark Beats Psychic and Psychic beats Fighting. So it can be something like... Fire Dark, Grass Psychic and Water Fighting.
***** Hi jesse, sorry for the late reply. I believe why this triangle does not work is due to self resistance. I forgot to mention it in the original reply. What i mean is that in a type triangle, all 3 types must have the same relationship among each other, which includes their own self. This i believe is the logic behind them, they should share same amounts of 2x and 1/2x damage among all three of them. In the type triangle you mentioned, grass and poison resist themselves, but ground does not. Poison = 2xgrass and 1/2x poison and ground. Grass = 2x ground and 1/2x poison and grass, but Ground = 2x poison, 1/2x grass, but 1x ground. So ground does not have 1/2x against two of the types in the triangle, while the other two resist themselves, thus having 1/2x against two types of the triangle.
HornDrill I'm not. It's just the standard stuff for every game. When there is a triangle of something, it means them being equal in strength among themselves. This started with rock paper scissors and this triangulation has occured in other places. I'm just assuming pokemon type triangle means the same as the rest of triangles in games and in nature. It's an example of zero sum.
+Holy Demon/Hypocrite Anti Dragon i really want that too, maybe with an ability like " tough claws" or " strong jaws" or any other physical attack bonus
+Juvia Lockser With Charizard, Blaziken, and Infernape, Fire gets way more attention than water starters. Typhlosion still beat out Meganium and Feraligatr on Popularity, or at least tied w/ Feraligatr, and the only two fire starters that haven't gotten as much attention are the newest ones. Most of them have had Dual typings as well. Not to mention that _all_ the secondary typings they do carry are top tier types. The only water starters that really get or had gotten a lot of attention are Greninja and Blastoise, and maybe Feraligatr. But most of the one's that had gotten attention were still overshadowed by the Fire type, and half of water starters don't even have a secondary typing. Then there's grass, who's been overshadowed in every generation except _maybe_ 5th gen and is commonly left out, like with how Charizard and Blastoise are always givin' the spotlight yet Venusaur isn't anywhere to be found. Only half of them have a secondary typing as well, unless you include Mega Sceptile, but all of them except Venusaur are gaining a 4x weakness because of it. Not that it's horrible to have a 4x weakness, but it's still notable that Grass types have constantly been made to appear weaker. Fire is by far given the most attention, then water, and then grass.
Gen 1: all starters are given a lot of attention, i see a lot of people choosing bulbasaur for gen 1 Gen 2: typhlosion and feraligatr get the most attention, tied for popularity Gen 3: swampert and sceptile are the most popular, i never see ANYONE choose blaziken over these two unless they want to be different Gen 4: infernape is the most popular Gen 5: Samurott and Serperior get the most attention in terms of what people picked before the hidden abilities were released, everyone just shit on emboar before it got reckless Gen 6: greninja is easily the most popular
Juvia Lockser Bulbasaur gets quite a bit of attention still, but not nearly as much as the other two. And Blaziken gets chosen just as much as Sceptile and Swampert at the very least. But it still gets more attention imo. It got a mega early on, it's the only starter in ubers, and it was put in Pokken (although so did sceptile) as well as 3 other fire types. That's another thing i forgot to mention, 3 fire starters were put into Pokken, yet only one grass starter and no water starters.
Did they not realise that Gen 4 was the "Reverse Type triangle" they suggested? (albeit not perfect, the principle still stands) Infernape - *Fire/Fighting* - Fire is Weak to Water, Fighting is Strong against Steel Empoleon - *Water/Steel* - Water is weak to Grass but Steel is strong against Ground Torterra - *Grass/Ground* - Grass is weak against Fire, but Ground is strong against Fire
I think the Gen VI starters was a missed opportunity because it only mad each one dominate more on the other, a little tweak will be better for even things up for example Water/Psychic, Fire/Dark, Grass/Fighting
There's one very important thing we need in Pokemon Sun and Moon: Professor Willow, the Pokemon professor inspired by Robin Williams, in tribute to him and his love of video games.
I kind of feel like the main reason we haven't seen a water/fighting starter is because in general the water starter is meant to be more defensive. I guess Greninja kinda changed that formula but prior to that the water starters were basically all very defensive and fighting just doesn't generally have good defensive stats or moves.
I can't believe Greninja wasn't water/fighting. He was a damn ninja! You don't get much more fighty than than. Haha! Anyway, great video guys. Just subscribed.
Those Dragon/Water and fairy/Grass fake-e-mon you showed looked like didgymon. (No offence. I really love all the videos you make and all the images you show in them. Keep up the great work!😀)
I like the converse type triangle idea, and I used it in some of the stuff I was working on last night. I also think that when you try the converse option it gives you some pretty interesting dual things... The most interesting I got was Fire/Grass, Water/Ground and Grass/Poison.
In generation 4 the secondary type exactly helps beat the type of pokemon it's supposed to be weak against. Infernape fighting > Empoleon steel Torterra ground > Infernape fire Empoleon water > Torterra ground
For the Water Starter (The Water Snake Pokemon) - Water Type (The Krait Pokemon) - Water/Poison Type (The World Serpent Pokemon) - Water/Dragon Type - Delugandr (From Deluge and Jormungandr) For the Fire Starter (The Ember Cub Pokemon) - Fire Type (The Pride Pokemon) - Fire Type (The Lion Pokemon) - Fire/Steel Type - Nemolion (mix of Nemean, Immolate, and Lion) For the Grass Starter (The Hippo Pokemon) - Grass Type (The Scaly Hippo Pokemon) - Grass Type (The Devouring Pokemon) - Grass/Fairy Type - Ammitree (Ammit and Tree) SO each of the three starters would be represented by a famous beast from the three most well known mythologies, Jormungander from Norse Lore, The Nemean Lion from Greek Lore, and Ammit the Devourer from Egyptian Lore. Jormungandr was a sort of sea dragon but was also known for being extremely poisonous, so that's why it goes from just Water to Water/Poison to Water/Dragon. The Nemean Lion's skin was supposed to be totally impossible to cut or pierce, hence the half-steel typing. Ammit was a being that was part Crocodile, Part Hippo, and Part Lion (I'm focusing mostly on the Hippo-Croc elements) and was a demon of sorts. I could have also gone Grass/Dark with it, but I felt that Fairy Type was more interesting. Also, as for Secret Abilities - Tainted Waters - All Water attacks have a 15% chance of poisoning the opponent. Heroic Target - Draws in all Steel-Type moves to boost defense. Devour - All "biting" moves restore 25% of damage inflicted And Signature Moves Tail Bite (Poison) - 5PP - A move that poisons the user. Doing so sharply raises Sp. Atk and Speed. This move fails if the user cannot be poisoned. Searing Claw (Fire) - 80 BP - 15 PP - 100 ACC - 10% chance to burn opponent, 10% chance to paralyze opponent Wooden Tusks (Grass) - 60 BP - 15 PP - 100 ACC - Bites opponent with powerful carved teeth. May Cause Flinching.
also a good reason why there isn't a lot of dual typings with water is because water is a very safe type it's only weak to electric and grass. however both fire and grass types have fairly common weaknesses that can put them at a disadvantage unlike the water type
I've been wanting a reverse type triangle since XY starters were revealed. But I never stopped to piece it together. Also, mega Feraligatr as dragon confirmed? :D
I would like typings that we haven't seen much of like Grass/Electric, Fire/Fairy, and Water/Ghost. That way all secondary typings would be neutral to each other and the primary typings. Other typings I would like to see, but may not fit the triangle as nicely would be Grass/Rock, Grass/Fairy, Fire/Poison, Fire/Electric, Water/Bug, and Water/Fighting. Or they could get really crazy and do Grass/Fire, Fire/Water, and Water/Grass XD
I really want to see a starter pokemon who gets the ghost type. I feel like ghost types are really under sold. Also,since the Sun and Moon games are rumored to be set in the medditeranean sea area, I think it would be cool to have the starters based off of the "Big Three" Greek/Roman gods. (Posiedon/Neptune, Zeus/Jupiter, Hades/Pluto) With Neptune being water, Zeus being Fire, and Hades being Grass. Then we could potentially see a Water/Dragon, Fire/Electric, and Grass/Ghost typing situation for the starters, which doesn't exactly preserve the balance of the type triangles, but it does introduce some new strategies for early game. On an unrelated note, I would like to see gyms that don't use one type of pokemon, but instead uses pokemon of a specific Biome. For instance, a forest gym that uses grass, insect, and maybe ground types. Or a Tundra gym that uses normal, ice, water, and dark. A Mountian gym that uses Rock, ground, dragon and flying types, etc...just a fun idea I had.
I think if they want to keep up the new theme/type triangle they used in XY it'd be great for them to have: Fire/Poison: Maybe a Komodo Dragon for this one? So they can give it some Dragon, Poison and Fire moves. We've never had a komodo dragon before and not only is their saliva poisonous but fire produces substances harmful to organisms Water/Psychic: I think a Dolphin would be great for this because they're known as intellectual, playful creatures. Water is soothing, people love playing in it and people love dolphins. You also often see people meditating next to oceans Grass/Bug: Tropical areas (if they region is "tropical") are going to have lots of bug types and it fits into the triangle. I don't have an insect for this one because I'm not a bug fan, though. The triangle you guys made is also great because I think it'd be cool if they had a Dolphin starter that evolved into a Narwhal. Fish can turn into octopi so it's not impossible and the Narwhal could have a horn made of ice. Fire and Electricity both generate heat and grass requires soil to grow so they also all make sense.
The Sinnoh starters already kinda have a decent reverse triangle going as long as you just teach Empoleon an Ice type attack. There's no reason not to give it an ice type attack, and Torterra's 4x weakness makes up for the lack of STAB.
Excellent work on the video my friend. I thoroughly enjoyed working with you buddy
Hello!
+MandJTV Pokevids i thought this vid was old but its actually new lol
+MandJTV Pokevids EXELLENT WORK FOR BOTH OF YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1 Loved the vid.
I ship it
there shouldn't be a dragon starter unless it's a mega it's just really unfair and everyone's surely going to pick that starter
Small update for the video! I went back and credited the artists who came up with all the awesome fakemons I used in this video in the description and I will make sure to always do that in the future. Thank you guys for all of your support on this video I really appreciate it.
Feraligator needs a water-dragon mega
+Ian Proud yes
Feraligatr*
Yes
+Ian Proud that would be dope and make the most scence
+XhaanFilms
Sorry for the misspelling.
steel/fire Dragon/water and grass/fairy
Best idea ever
Great triangle and could be done in a very creative way. I like it
+Aaram Chase
Dragon against Steel? Does not work that way.
Steel/fire vs grass/fairy
Grass/fairy vs Dragon/water
Dragon/water vs steel /fire (fire vs steel and steel vs dragon(could introduce a steel move that does super effective against Dragon pokemon like freeze-dry does water pokemon who usually resist them)
That whole Water/Dragon and the Grass/Fairy would be awesome! The fire should be Fire/Poison since both types of a starter counter the other
+Hiro Animation Dark is weak against fairy, so the grass/fairy pokemon would have an advantage over the other starters, but fire dark does sound nice
+Joe Southard Grass would counter water, but when the water type gains dragon typing as well it would only be weak to the fairy typing, but Fire/poison would 2x hit grass/fairy w/ fire and 4x with poison, as well as 4x resist both grass and fairy. Then Water would be supereffective against the Fire, but Dragon is only neutral to fire and poison.
It'd be pretty unbalanced with the fire starter (once again) coming out on top.
Hiro Animation yeah, but that's because they had a boner for fire starters.
I think they're finally wising up and making things a bit more balanced.
+Joe Southard I said the same thing
1:45 That wasn't the first thing I learned.. The first thing I learned was how my Torterra's Earthquake rekt everything but a Staraptor.
Exactly.
I always defeated all Pokemons with only one Earthquake from my Torterra except one Torterra which had a trainer in the victory road
Ironic
+HipHippoZ You had your starter completely evolved and STILL hadn't figured out it was weak to fire. You gotta be the slowest learner in history.
Everyone loves Torterra.
Yep I deafeted EVERYTHING with earthquake
my first reaction: bunneary, totodile and treeko
more froaky
***** wow sorry XD
my first reaction:Pachirisu,Totodile,Treecko
+Andraw yeah its basically force breeding a bunneary and a pachirisu together. game freak really ran out of pokemon design ideas
+Gartin Marrix or maybe they are making a new feature for Sun and Moon
FUSIONS!!
First thing I thought when he talked about a mega for water/dragon. mega Feraligatr.
Fire/Fairy, Water/Dark, Grass/Psychic That's another reverse triangle that could work well for starters.
shit I mapped that out wrong lol
Sinnoh kind of already did the reverse type triangle. Torterra's Ground was super effective against Infernape, Infernape's Fighting was super effective against Empoleon, and Empoleon has access to Ice type attacks which obliterate Torterra.
+ShinySableye17 but since Empoleon had a weakness to Ground, it didn't work out as well at it should've
also empoleon can learn drill peck
ShinySableye17 no he means typings not moves
3:07 guys bug has't been weak to Poison since Gen I
If this has already been pointed out, feel free to tell me. But there is another type triangle that could potentially replace Fire-Water-Grass. It would be Rock-Fighting-Flying. Rock < Fighting, Fighting < Flying, Flying < Rock, and vice versa. (Fighting > Rock, Rock > Flying, Flying > Fighting.)
Rock ground ice?
Ghost, dark, bug?
+Magma-Admin-Chan electric, flying, ground, kind of...
Fighting/Water - Steel/Fire - Fairy/Grass. Perfect double triangel
Loved this video! All these new starter types seem really cool. Especially the Water Dragon.
If it were up to me, the next starters would have Grass + Fairy, Fire + Ice, and Water + Fighting. The effectiveness is even all around, and we could get some pretty cool designs.
^perfect
Thats exactly what i was thinking
love your pokemon art around 5mins that looked sickly cool
Mega Feraligatr should be water dragon???
Water ground elohel
I was thinking the EXACT same thing!! I can't believe they didn't think of that!
+Zac Winter mega dragonite should be dragon fairy???
Wonderful video! I love the typing ideas!
Feraligatr could go mega and become dragon. Problem solved
I really feel like Sun and Moon will pay homage to the Gen II in the same way X and Y did to Gen I.
+jsleahy76 How did they pay homage to gen 1? If anyone did that it was generation 5 with the amount of pokémon that were supposed to resemble the generation 1 pokemon.
+Duane Blommaert (LilSniff) Santalune Forest was literally Viridian Forest, all of the legendaries you can catch (other tha the new ones) are from Kanto, you get to have one of the Gen I starters, and a good number of the mega of evolutions introduced were of Gen I Pokémon. That being said, Gen V tried to be a modern Gen I (btw I LOVE Gen V) by making new Pokémon similar to old ones, Gen VI literally took Pokémon and areas from Gen I directly, while Gen V was just very inspired by Gen I.
+Hiro Animation Gen II literally included the Kanto region. Gen III had... um... Help me out here... and Gen V and VI... well we mentioned that already.
+jsleahy76 That could work. Some other possible typings for a Mega Feraligatr, which I would love to see, are Water/Dark, Water/Ground, or Water/Steel with the ability being Strong Jaw or at least Tough Claws. If it's part Dragon, then Dragon Claw, Dual Chop, and Outrage will be STAB. They should make a Dragon-type biting attack as well. If it's part Dark, then Crunch and Bite will be STAB and be made stronger by Strong Jaw or Tough Claws. It could be Water/Ground since gators and crocs are associated with the swamps, plus Earthquake would become STAB. Iron tail, and a potential Steel-type biting move that should also exist, would become STAB if Mega Feraligatr was Water/Dragon. These, of course, are just my thoughts and opinions.
i really like this video. i would have never thought about the typing triangles or the possibilities for water dual types on my own. nice!
I think Mega Feralgator will be water/dragon.
+Alex Perry thats exactly what i thought when they mentioned it
I think it'll be water/dark
Just because of crunch + sheer force.
These were some pretty interesting looks at Starter typing. I honestly never gave much thought to this subject! I'll share this on my Twitter!
Rock/Flying/Fighting is a perfect type triangle, so you could have Grass/Rock, Fire/Flying, Water/Fighting
Rock is super effective v fly
+zjackshot He's making a type triangle, similar to the fire> grass> water format.
wow this was really well made, great work
I really enjoyed this video and listening to your opinions. I do have a problem, though. You used a lot of different art without giving any credit to the artists. I assume that most, if not all, of the art isn't yours, because they all have different styles to them. I notice that this happens often in your videos. I'd like to keep watching and supporting your channel, because, again, I very much enjoyed listening to your opinions. But if you're going to continue using art without giving credit, I'm going to stop watching. I know that my denouncement of your channel might seem inconsequential, but I thought that you should know that what you are doing is not right.
+Hicupguy First off I really appreciate the kind words and I am glad you enjoyed the video! In response to the art that is not mine I am going to make it a point to credit the artist's who designed the art in my descriptions going forward. I also plan to fix up this description and the other one which has other people's art in the video to give the artists credit, but that will not be until later in the week when I get some more free time. I appreciate you calling me out, I meant no harm in using the art but you are very right and it is only fair to give credit where it is due!
+PokeMEN Thank you. It's good to know that you realize this and are intending on fixing it moving forward. I'll be looking forward to your content in the future.
+PokeMEN I actually kinda expect the starters to be Fire/Poison, Grass/Fairy and Water/Dragon. I'm not sure, but it just feels like something they'd do in order to show off Fairy a little more. And since the last gen had a double up on the triangle, they'd likely do the same next gen.
But to get to the original topic, yeh. I'm pretty sure I've seen some "professional" concept artists make a couple of those arts. Also, great work on the video.
+Donald Trump Because if you use people's work, they deserve credit for it.
+Hicupguy Finally got around to crediting the art in the description, again thank you for the criticism I'll make sure to always do this going forward!
Hey Pokemen! I came from MandJTV's vid, and I think your content is really good. Keep up the great work!
+Jiodro Same. :D
water/dragon Mega feraligatr confirmed
that's what I was thinking! would be so cool
Really good video guys! You had quite good ideas. :)
Fire/Steel
Grass/Fairy
Water/Dragon
Let's go.
+Ryan Cairns I think Fire/Poison could also work really well.
I hate water dragon they were a pain in the ass before Fairy type. Claire with her Kingdra made me rage quite a few times.
+Ryan Cairns
Fire Steel
Grass Fairy
Water Fighting
+Jay Kyew I think this is it honestly
i love this *.*
some drawings are really awesome, like the grass fairy
fairy, fighting, steel
water fighting, fire ghost, grass psychic would be a good idea
Mega-Feraligator as water-dragon, Mega-Meganium as fairy-grass, and mega-tysphlosian as... Fire-poison?
+ヽ(*≧ω≦)ノ Cat If not pure Fire, I could see Mega Typhlosion as perhaps Fire/Electric with STAB Thunder Punch. As long as it looks cool, is never Fire/Fighting, and never has Solar Power or some bad ability, I could be okay with a potential Mega Typhlosion. I do, in fact, want a Mega Evolution for each fully-evolved Johto starter.
Yeah!
Seeing as Typhlosion is based on the honey badger sort of, the fire-poison would be great as the honey badger is a bit immune to the venom of a snake that it eats, so why not give that typing as mega, it would fit nicely
+ヽ(*≧ω≦)ノ Cat That is exactly what I thought while watching this video. Except for Mega Typhlosion being Fire Poison. But after a bit of thought it would make sense. Both of it's pre-evolutions (Cyndaquil and Quilava) have the word "quill" in their name so moves like Poison Sting, Toxic Spikes and others would kind of be justified.
+ヽ(*≧ω≦)ノ Cat Mega Thyplosion Fire-Dark Maybeee ?
The grass-psychic looks like a legendary beast :/
fighting-steel-fairy triangle
+charles reinert no, fighting takes nuetral from steel it cant work, *fighting-flying-rock* works perfectly
I completely agree with what you guys just said! Water-fighting/Water-Dragon was exactly what I was thinking! :D
P.S. Excellent job on the video, I was with you the whole way!
Grass-Steel
Water-Fighting
Fire-Fairy ...See the dual triangle?
+Archie Manalang it wouldn't work because Fire resists Steel, which cancels out the super effectiveness it has against Fairy and only allows 1x damage
+justanotherchannelonyoutube *Fire-flying/ grass-fighting/rock-water* , theres your dual triangle
Coz Grass-Fighting and Fire-Flying already a starter.
Archie Manalang thats not the point, this is the only way to get a true DUAL triangle
Feels good to be here!
What about the type triangle of Grass-Fairy, Water-Fighting, and Fire-Steel? Pretty cool I think?
Gamefreak needs to read this comment
I agree, that's a really cool starter idea.
Love the video man!
Grass/Steel - Water/Fighting - Fire/Fairy.
All these starter ideas seem really interesting! Normally when I play I usually hate the water starters (I dislike almost all of them and/or have better choices) but these ideas seem really interesting.
They missed their chance with the Gen 6 starters... if they done grass/fighting, fire/dark and water/psychic (or any of two other combos), then each starter would have coverage for the starter they're weak to. Instead they went with the dual super effectiveness for each starter. Stupid decision IMO.
+willprogresivo agreed, i've said that a lot
+willprogresivo But if that were the case, it should be Water/Fighting, Fire/Psychic, and Grass/Dark for two very good reasons. They could keep the same themes pretty much just making Chesnaught a berserker instead of a knight, and the Fire-type *not* getting the secondary typing that has an immunity.
jjmblue7 Either of the 3 possible ways to make each starter have coverage for the type it's weak to works fine with me. Thing was that almost all of the combos already existed in several pokemon. Of course fire/fighting was out of the question, so that left fire/dark and fire/psychic. You've already got Houndoom, but then you've got only a legendary and a "zen mode" poke which sucks IMO, so I think Delphox was a good idea (even tho I don't like its design) for fire/psychic. So that leaves the only possible Grass/Dark (with Shiftry and Cacturne being the only two so far) and Water/Fighting (with Poliwrath being the only one aside from a legendary). Without fire/fighting, you'd have go with fire/dark, grass/fighting (Breloom the only example) and water/psychic (slowbro line and starmie).
They should do a Flying, Rock and Fighting starter. this would be a good pure triangle.
You could also dual type these to the original types to remain a good pure 2x effective dual type, for example:
Fire/Rock > Flying/Grass > Water/Fighting > Fire/Rock.
would be cool i think.
People dont understand type triangles and tend to just look at the offensive side of it. There is a defensive side to the type triangle. Look at water, fire and grass. While the offensive cycle is known to all, defensive side is not known to all. For example, each of these types' attacks are super effective on one type of the triangle and not very effective on the other type.
Fire moves have 2x against grass but 1/2 against water. Grass moves 2x water but 1/2x fire. Water moves 2x fire but 1/2x grass.
Your type triangle of dark, fighting and psychic is NOT a type triangle. Dark = 2x psychic and 1/2x fighting. Fighting = 2xdark and 1/2x psychic. **But psychic = 2x fighting but 0x dark** . Thats why its not a type triangle.
You need one type of the triangle to be 2x against one and 1/2x against another. Basically the defensive side needs to be balanced as well.
It's surprising but actually no other such type triangles exist in pokemon in the current situation. So we can only have one triangle starters right now.
+KARTIKEYA007 This is not a Type Triangle but I really like The interecation with these 5 Types. Dark, Ghost, Psychic, Fighting and Normal. So many of them are immune to each other or just one of them is, and Dark seems to be at the Top of it All.
I think if they did want a Type Triangle that would work AND one of them did say they wanted a Water Fighting....
My thoughts are the Triangle of Dark,Fighting And Psychic, Hope I didn't mess that up.
Even if Dark is immune to psychic, Fighting Beats Dark, Dark Beats Psychic and Psychic beats Fighting.
So it can be something like... Fire Dark, Grass Psychic and Water Fighting.
***** Hi jesse, sorry for the late reply. I believe why this triangle does not work is due to self resistance. I forgot to mention it in the original reply.
What i mean is that in a type triangle, all 3 types must have the same relationship among each other, which includes their own self.
This i believe is the logic behind them, they should share same amounts of 2x and 1/2x damage among all three of them.
In the type triangle you mentioned, grass and poison resist themselves, but ground does not.
Poison = 2xgrass and 1/2x poison and ground. Grass = 2x ground and 1/2x poison and grass, but Ground = 2x poison, 1/2x grass, but 1x ground. So ground does not have 1/2x against two of the types in the triangle, while the other two resist themselves, thus having 1/2x against two types of the triangle.
+KARTIKEYA007. Why are you the authority on type triangles?
HornDrill I'm not. It's just the standard stuff for every game. When there is a triangle of something, it means them being equal in strength among themselves. This started with rock paper scissors and this triangulation has occured in other places. I'm just assuming pokemon type triangle means the same as the rest of triangles in games and in nature. It's an example of zero sum.
Excellent description guys. Even I am looking for a water and fighting type. We can even have fire/fairy combination.
Water-Dragon, Fire-Poison, Grass-Fairy.
Dragon doesn't counter poison...
its not better fire steel for the water dragón
Cobalt Ardongale No, but Poison Counters Fairy.
+josiah jenks Then it's not a type triangle...
+josiah jenks Johto Megas?
great vid dude first one of yours iv watched, but water/fairy be prolly no poison weakness too
I thought Goodra was a Dragon/Water XD
I'm so looking forward to know what the starter Pokémon will look like I'm totally hyped :)
Water and dragon | Grass and Fairy | Fire and Steel creating a second triangle
steel is good against both dragon and fairy tho
oh....
What about Fire/Poison? It's not perfect because Dragon isn't super effective against Poison, buuuuuttt...
+jawwer12
Steel is only x1 against Dragon, x2 against Fairy. The triangle works fairly well.
Metroid4ever no becuase then water be to op!
Cool vid man!
I hope Feraligatr gets a Water/Dragon mega evolution.
+Holy Demon/Hypocrite Anti Dragon omg yaaass
+Holy Demon/Hypocrite Anti Dragon
i really want that too, maybe with an ability like " tough claws" or " strong jaws" or any other physical attack bonus
+Elder-Scroller Sheer force
Great video!
I think that Mega Feraligatr will be dragon water
Hope so
Happy belated new year and happy Easter Pokemen! Before this year ends, I'll be getting both sun and moon just like you before this year ends!
Tbh the fire and grass starters are the ones who need to get a cool typing
Water starters already get the most attention
+Juvia Lockser With Charizard, Blaziken, and Infernape, Fire gets way more attention than water starters. Typhlosion still beat out Meganium and Feraligatr on Popularity, or at least tied w/ Feraligatr, and the only two fire starters that haven't gotten as much attention are the newest ones. Most of them have had Dual typings as well. Not to mention that _all_ the secondary typings they do carry are top tier types.
The only water starters that really get or had gotten a lot of attention are Greninja and Blastoise, and maybe Feraligatr. But most of the one's that had gotten attention were still overshadowed by the Fire type, and half of water starters don't even have a secondary typing.
Then there's grass, who's been overshadowed in every generation except _maybe_ 5th gen and is commonly left out, like with how Charizard and Blastoise are always givin' the spotlight yet Venusaur isn't anywhere to be found. Only half of them have a secondary typing as well, unless you include Mega Sceptile, but all of them except Venusaur are gaining a 4x weakness because of it. Not that it's horrible to have a 4x weakness, but it's still notable that Grass types have constantly been made to appear weaker.
Fire is by far given the most attention, then water, and then grass.
Gen 1: all starters are given a lot of attention, i see a lot of people choosing bulbasaur for gen 1
Gen 2: typhlosion and feraligatr get the most attention, tied for popularity
Gen 3: swampert and sceptile are the most popular, i never see ANYONE choose blaziken over these two unless they want to be different
Gen 4: infernape is the most popular
Gen 5: Samurott and Serperior get the most attention in terms of what people picked before the hidden abilities were released, everyone just shit on emboar before it got reckless
Gen 6: greninja is easily the most popular
Juvia Lockser Bulbasaur gets quite a bit of attention still, but not nearly as much as the other two.
And Blaziken gets chosen just as much as Sceptile and Swampert at the very least. But it still gets more attention imo. It got a mega early on, it's the only starter in ubers, and it was put in Pokken (although so did sceptile) as well as 3 other fire types.
That's another thing i forgot to mention, 3 fire starters were put into Pokken, yet only one grass starter and no water starters.
Well imo greninja is really the only water starter that would fit well in a fighting game
Juvia Lockser Blastoise and Feraligatr maybe could.
Really I feel like any Pokemon could if they added things likes Chandelure to the game.
Did they not realise that Gen 4 was the "Reverse Type triangle" they suggested? (albeit not perfect, the principle still stands)
Infernape - *Fire/Fighting* - Fire is Weak to Water, Fighting is Strong against Steel
Empoleon - *Water/Steel* - Water is weak to Grass but Steel is strong against Ground
Torterra - *Grass/Ground* - Grass is weak against Fire, but Ground is strong against Fire
Ummm.... Water n Dragon? How about Kingdra Forgoat about that pokemon
also palkia
+JB Ali Yes I love starting with Horsea. ... Oh wait.
That grass/ground pokemon is amazing. Literally one of the best fakemon I've ever seen.
way too slow and your writing makes it sound like we know nothing of Pokemon. Speed it up and don't waste time explaining things we already know
I think this is meant to be accessible to everybody, not everyone knows these things lol
from 2017 how about dark fariy and ghost
I think the Gen VI starters was a missed opportunity because it only mad each one dominate more on the other, a little tweak will be better for even things up for example Water/Psychic, Fire/Dark, Grass/Fighting
They're probably waiting until sun and moon to give Feraligatr's mega the Water/Dragon typing. Just a thought though
"We'd like to see one that's cooler than a coconut tree or a little time traveling fairy." Not something you hear everyday.
Wow. I thought I was the only one who used the term "type triangle." This is actually the first time I've seen someone else use it.
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I like how the Kalos starters have a duel type triangle
There's one very important thing we need in Pokemon Sun and Moon: Professor Willow, the Pokemon professor inspired by Robin Williams, in tribute to him and his love of video games.
Kingdra is dragon/water type aswell
you do realise that ice is super effective against grass, breaking the triangle
Your a great UA-camr good luck!!!
i subscribed because you made me laugh. " no one wants to see another Ferrothorn " XD hes a big part of my team in gen 5
What's the beef with Ferrothorn? I like it.
great ideas!
I kind of feel like the main reason we haven't seen a water/fighting starter is because in general the water starter is meant to be more defensive. I guess Greninja kinda changed that formula but prior to that the water starters were basically all very defensive and fighting just doesn't generally have good defensive stats or moves.
I do agree that the water type should have a cool duel typing
So weird seeing these videos now than we're in Gen 8
I can't believe Greninja wasn't water/fighting. He was a damn ninja! You don't get much more fighty than than. Haha!
Anyway, great video guys. Just subscribed.
You also don't really get darker than a ninja either...
+True Cephalogod That depends on your interpretation of "dark". I still think fighting is more prevalent in the ninja lore than darkness.
Those Dragon/Water and fairy/Grass fake-e-mon you showed looked like didgymon. (No offence. I really love all the videos you make and all the images you show in them. Keep up the great work!😀)
the reverse triangle is a very cool idea I really want that to happen
I like the converse type triangle idea, and I used it in some of the stuff I was working on last night. I also think that when you try the converse option it gives you some pretty interesting dual things... The most interesting I got was Fire/Grass, Water/Ground and Grass/Poison.
In generation 4 the secondary type exactly helps beat the type of pokemon it's supposed to be weak against.
Infernape fighting > Empoleon steel
Torterra ground > Infernape fire
Empoleon water > Torterra ground
For the Water Starter
(The Water Snake Pokemon) - Water Type
(The Krait Pokemon) - Water/Poison Type
(The World Serpent Pokemon) - Water/Dragon Type - Delugandr (From Deluge and Jormungandr)
For the Fire Starter
(The Ember Cub Pokemon) - Fire Type
(The Pride Pokemon) - Fire Type
(The Lion Pokemon) - Fire/Steel Type - Nemolion (mix of Nemean, Immolate, and Lion)
For the Grass Starter
(The Hippo Pokemon) - Grass Type
(The Scaly Hippo Pokemon) - Grass Type
(The Devouring Pokemon) - Grass/Fairy Type - Ammitree (Ammit and Tree)
SO each of the three starters would be represented by a famous beast from the three most well known mythologies, Jormungander from Norse Lore, The Nemean Lion from Greek Lore, and Ammit the Devourer from Egyptian Lore.
Jormungandr was a sort of sea dragon but was also known for being extremely poisonous, so that's why it goes from just Water to Water/Poison to Water/Dragon.
The Nemean Lion's skin was supposed to be totally impossible to cut or pierce, hence the half-steel typing.
Ammit was a being that was part Crocodile, Part Hippo, and Part Lion (I'm focusing mostly on the Hippo-Croc elements) and was a demon of sorts. I could have also gone Grass/Dark with it, but I felt that Fairy Type was more interesting.
Also, as for Secret Abilities -
Tainted Waters - All Water attacks have a 15% chance of poisoning the opponent.
Heroic Target - Draws in all Steel-Type moves to boost defense.
Devour - All "biting" moves restore 25% of damage inflicted
And Signature Moves
Tail Bite (Poison) - 5PP - A move that poisons the user. Doing so sharply raises Sp. Atk and Speed. This move fails if the user cannot be poisoned.
Searing Claw (Fire) - 80 BP - 15 PP - 100 ACC - 10% chance to burn opponent, 10% chance to paralyze opponent
Wooden Tusks (Grass) - 60 BP - 15 PP - 100 ACC - Bites opponent with powerful carved teeth. May Cause Flinching.
I was thinking about the type triangle too!
I would want probably water/psychic fire/ghost and grass/dark
also a good reason why there isn't a lot of dual typings with water is because water is a very safe type it's only weak to electric and grass.
however both fire and grass types have fairly common weaknesses that can put them at a disadvantage unlike the water type
Water/Dragon and Grass/Fairy would be sooooo dope!!! 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
I really want to see the Electric - Ground - Flying chain.
+CODOnline China Water-Ground, Fire-Electric, Grass-Flying. There you go.
I've been wanting a reverse type triangle since XY starters were revealed. But I never stopped to piece it together.
Also, mega Feraligatr as dragon confirmed? :D
OMG U USED MY WATER STARTER :D :D I've waited sooo long for someone to use my fakes on youtube
I would like typings that we haven't seen much of like Grass/Electric, Fire/Fairy, and Water/Ghost. That way all secondary typings would be neutral to each other and the primary typings.
Other typings I would like to see, but may not fit the triangle as nicely would be Grass/Rock, Grass/Fairy, Fire/Poison, Fire/Electric, Water/Bug, and Water/Fighting.
Or they could get really crazy and do Grass/Fire, Fire/Water, and Water/Grass XD
I really want to see a starter pokemon who gets the ghost type. I feel like ghost types are really under sold. Also,since the Sun and Moon games are rumored to be set in the medditeranean sea area, I think it would be cool to have the starters based off of the "Big Three" Greek/Roman gods. (Posiedon/Neptune, Zeus/Jupiter, Hades/Pluto) With Neptune being water, Zeus being Fire, and Hades being Grass. Then we could potentially see a Water/Dragon, Fire/Electric, and Grass/Ghost typing situation for the starters, which doesn't exactly preserve the balance of the type triangles, but it does introduce some new strategies for early game. On an unrelated note, I would like to see gyms that don't use one type of pokemon, but instead uses pokemon of a specific Biome. For instance, a forest gym that uses grass, insect, and maybe ground types. Or a Tundra gym that uses normal, ice, water, and dark. A Mountian gym that uses Rock, ground, dragon and flying types, etc...just a fun idea I had.
When I first saw the Gen 5 starters I thought that they were what you said for the last set of starters except that Emboar was Fire/Dark
and chances are Japan the sticklers of tradition will still only give all of us a fire, water, and grass starter.
Adding a Normal type to a Pokémon doesn't improve it, it just adds an unnecessary weakness to Fighting, and that's it. But awesome video!
immunity to ghost....
Stab on normal moves
R.I.P Ferrothorn
I think if they want to keep up the new theme/type triangle they used in XY it'd be great for them to have:
Fire/Poison: Maybe a Komodo Dragon for this one? So they can give it some Dragon, Poison and Fire moves. We've never had a komodo dragon before and not only is their saliva poisonous but fire produces substances harmful to organisms
Water/Psychic: I think a Dolphin would be great for this because they're known as intellectual, playful creatures. Water is soothing, people love playing in it and people love dolphins. You also often see people meditating next to oceans
Grass/Bug: Tropical areas (if they region is "tropical") are going to have lots of bug types and it fits into the triangle. I don't have an insect for this one because I'm not a bug fan, though.
The triangle you guys made is also great because I think it'd be cool if they had a Dolphin starter that evolved into a Narwhal. Fish can turn into octopi so it's not impossible and the Narwhal could have a horn made of ice. Fire and Electricity both generate heat and grass requires soil to grow so they also all make sense.
Were the G1 starters originally all pure type and their type was changed in later revisions of the game (e.g. FireRed and LeafGreen)?
The Sinnoh starters already kinda have a decent reverse triangle going as long as you just teach Empoleon an Ice type attack. There's no reason not to give it an ice type attack, and Torterra's 4x weakness makes up for the lack of STAB.