Levy's argument wasn't about Israel laying down its arms and there would magically be peace, but about treating everyone equally. Levy also realizes a state which is separate but equal is inherently unequal and a two state solution is like a house divided against itself and will not last.
Your first claim was evident for years when Jews in Israel and Palestinians got along in kibbutz and the West Bank. The second claim is weak as just like the other Arab states are able to trade, have a brotherhood.. Palestine would have the same luxury, especially with the other brotherhood countries.. Israel has stronger allies in the west, but both would be logistically and economically stable.
You would accept millions of people into your country who voted for a party whose only aim was to destroy your country, and then give them equal rights? Only a moron would make such a dangerous decision
This guy completely misunderstood Levy's argument. It's about equal human rights, which is not possible in Apartheid Israel. Palestinians are not allowed to leave Palestine without Israeli permission?!! How crazy is that.. Its a prison for Palestinians
1st Israel was created via treaty (sevres article 95) Arabs got their states in the same treaty in Syria and Iraq. A mandate system was to transfer control. 2. there was no such thing as an Arab state of Palestine or Palestinian Arabs. In 1919 when the Arabs delegation made their pleading in the Paris Peace Conference, a group calling itself Palestine Arab Congress wrote that they were Syrians nationally, morally, and economically. (aka no Palestine or Palestinians) "Human rights" is that the Jews get their state (in what is today Israel and Jordan) the Arabs get their state (in what is today Syria, Lebanon, and Iraq) and all the Jews from Arab states come to Israel, all the Arabs (who do not wish to live under the Jewish state) go to Arab countries. That is just, that is peaceful, that is civilized.
Were Palestinians given visas and the means to travel to Oxford to make representations on their behalf. ? Surely if Oxford insisted on Palestinian representation for a discussion on a 2 state solution it would just happen. Otherwise , it even makes Oxford appear biased in favour of Israel.
Surely? There are no - as in zero - Palestinians who advocate for a two state solution. They want all of “Palestine” and every Israeli - Jew, Christian, and Arab thrown into the Mediterranean. The Palestinians have been offered peace multiple times; they could have already had their own state with East Jerusalem as its capital more than a decade ago. They were offered approx 98 percent of what they wanted with appropriate land swaps and they still said “no”. If you can find a “Palestinian” representative willing to go on record supporting a two state solution, let us all know - they don’t exist.
@@1czechit1No the man who was actually a human being with a conscience. Please refrain from making such ignorant comments and instead educating yourself objectively without being fed misinformation and then churning out that propaganda too. The nerve. From the river to the sea PALESTINE 🇵🇸 WILL BE FREE 🕊️💖
@@juancpgo NO one who understands the issue and thinks Isreal itself should exist think that the occupation itself is illegitimate, but the continued settlement building is anothing thing
4:44 Let's talk about these withdrawals in detail. Starting with Sinai: Settlements dismantled in Sinai: 18 Settlers withdrawn from Sinai: Around 6,000. Upon the day of the withdrawal, 1,200 settlers barricaded themselves inside buildings in the largest settlement of Yamit, threatening to kill the soldiers sent to evict them, or themselves. This resistance was more performative than serious, and the soldiers peacefully removed them without bloodshed. That day, Defense Minister (and future Prime Minister) Ariel Sharon said: "In Sinai, in Yamit, we have reached the limits of our concessions. We turn to strengthening our security, to our development in every sphere. We shall turn to increasing and consolidating our settlements on the Golan Heights, in Judea, Samaria [Note: Judea and Samaria are Israeli names for the West Bank], and the Gaza district--settlements that are an integral part to our security, settlements that are a true basis for political plans--all in the framework of the government's avowed policy." Additionally, he said: "We have done the UNIMAGINABLE." Now, let's talk about the Gaza withdrawal: Settlements dismantled in Gaza: 21 Settlers withdrawn from Gaza: Around 9,000 Once again, there was drama. Media coverage in the run up to the evacuations emphasized the probability of violence, the great threat that the evacuations posed. And, once again, there was performative resistance. IDF arrived with trucks, bulldozers, and riot gear, settlers threw rocks and vegetables at them. Children marched out of their homes with their hands up wearing Stars of David, invoking images of the Holocaust (incensing the Israeli public, who thought such unserious treatment of the Holocaust was atrocious). Once again, the resistance was primarily for show, and there was no actual fighting, no bloodshed. Once again, the great national trauma of withdrawal was framed by now Prime Minister Sharon as a necessity -- because to annex Gaza would be the demise of Israel demographically: "It is no secret that, like many others, I had believed and hoped we could forever hold onto Netzarim and Kfar Darom. But the changing reality, in the country, in the region, and in the world, required of me a reassessment, and change of positions. We cannot hold on to Gaza forever. More than a million Palestinians live there and double their number with each generation." To the evacuating settlers, he said: "Residents of Gaza, today we end a glorious chapter in Israeli history, a central episode in your lives as pioneers, as realisers of the dream of those who bore the security and settlement burden for all of us. Your pain and your tears are an inextricable part of the history of our country." So, that is how those evacuations went. They were unpopular, and played as painful, unwilling concessions, generous gifts from Israel to the Egyptians and to the Gazans, at an enormous cost. "UNIMAGINABLE." Let's look to the current state of affairs in the West Bank: Legal Settlements ("legal" according to Israeli law -- all settlements are illegal according to international law): 150 Illegal Outposts: 128 Settlers in the West Bank: Over 450,000 Settlers in East Jerusalem: Over 220,000 In Sinai, the largest settlement Yamit had around 3,000 settlers living there. In Gaza, the largest settlement Neve Dekalim had about 2,600 settlers living there. Their evacuations were "traumatic" to the nation. In the West Bank, Modi'in Illit has a population of 81,000; Beitar Illit has a population of 60,000; Ma'ale Adumim has a population of 38,000; Ariel has a population of 21,000. We can ask ourselves -- what Israeli government will dismantle over 275 settlements? What Israeli government would evacuate 700,000 settlers, or even 450,000 settlers? Who believes this is possible? This is not a strictly academic discussion, because we have *seen* just how close Israel and Palestine came to peace, in the talks between Olmert and Abbas, and we know precisely where they got hung up. They agreed Palestine would have "strong police," but no military or air force, and that the border on the Jordan Valley would be policed by NATO. Israel would effectively control Palestinian airspace and have full permission from the Palestinian government to make military incursions in pursuit of terrorists. The final map proposed by Olmert annexed 6.3% of the territory with 5.8% being given as compensation, and a tunnel would run between Hebron and Gaza. All important questions in Jerusalem were settled (although the plans for religious sites would have to be accepted by the broader Arab world), only a few neighborhood remained to be ironed out. The refugee issue, ever a thorny problem, had reached a principle agreement -- a token readmission of around 10,000 refugees, and an international fund to compensate the remaining refugees for loss of property organized by Israel. Where they really got hung up was Ma'ale Adumim, and especially Ariel. Beitar Illit and Modi'in Illit can be annexed without issue as they are right on the border, but Ariel was erected specifically to separate Nablus from Ramallah, it is an affront to Palestinian statehood. And yet even peace-loving Olmert said he would never be able to evacuate Ariel. It simply was not possible. Abbas's offer, which was around 2% annexation to Olmert's 6%, kept around 60% of settlers in place. And this was unacceptable even to Olmert. Look up Ma'ale Adumim and Ariel on a map, and ask yourself -- how could Palestine accept a border wall going through the West Bank to protect these areas? They blatantly cantonize the territory, they make travel laborious. Even Abbas' deal is still one in which Israel gets everything -- a demilitarized, defanged neighbor which does not even fully control its own borders, but in the end, the settler problem is too great for Israel to confront. I still believe in two states, even today, amid all this horror and wasted life. But we can not hide from the magnitude of the problem. Empty repetitions that peace will come when Palestinians accept it are not true, and they bring us no closer to a peaceful future. I do not wish for Gideon Levy to be right, but with each passing day that the airwaves are still filled with empty talk and no serious movement towards peace, I fear that he is.
My heart breaks for our Palestinian brothers. Only decisive international diplomatic pressure will bring justice. If equality of people's dignity can be achieved, allowing Palestine to determine herself as a fully fledged country, then things will change.
Wow man that was pretty thoughtful you are fascinating Even as an arab who thinks that he knows a lot about the cause I read things I haven't read before I really want to know -if possible- where are you from ?
It is amazing that this guy starts off by saying that you can’t view this situation in a vacuum but then leaves out any nuance in any of the points that he brings up after. “Oh well the Israelis removed settlements in Gaza”, yes because they deemed it unsafe not for any sort of realization that it was unethical and illegal, “oh well the Palestinians rejected peace every time” yes because the Israeli government demonstrated every time that it had no intention of following the plan (ie. when Netanyahu accelerated settlement building during peace negotiations, when Netanyahu lead mass protests against peace negotiations, which lead to the assassination of the PM of Israel at the time violently forced Palestinians out of the Al-Aqsa mosque. And that’s not even to talk about how all of the “deals” that were presented were widely skewed towards benefitting the Israelis, many Israel supporters will Liam the opposite but much like the IDF they provide no substantive proof aside from anecdotes that could be lies whereas the other side has people across the board saying Palestinians were being screwed over all the way up to and including ex Israeli officials like Schlomo Ben-Ami who said in regards to the Camp David Accords “Camp David was not the missed opposites unity for the Palestinians, and if I were a Palestinians I would have rejected Camp David as well. This is something a I put in the book. but at as is the problem The Clinton parameters are the problem”.
I applaud Gideon Levy... for having the courage not many would have to stand up for people that are not even his own. How beautiful it is for someone to put their ego aside, religions aside.. and to just think about them as humans who deserve all the freedom anyone else has. The one you say is "demonizing" Israel in a room full of those who oppose him.. is actually there being a just man and standing up for people who don't even have the means to fairly represent themselves or the means or visas to travel here. Imagine how much courage it takes to be Israeli and to stand up in front of a whole room full of those who oppose you. He stood up for humanity.. shame on you for putting him down.
Please watch Gideon Levy's 2015 conference speech you will be blown away. "Gideon Levy: Does unconditional support for Israel endanger Israeli voices?"
"There are no difference between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese. We are all part of one nation. It is only for political reasons that we carefuly underline out Palestinian idenity… Yes, the existance of a sprarate Palestinian identity serves only tactical purposes. The founding of a Palestinians stats is a new tool in the contiuing battle against Israel"....Ahmed Shuqairy, founder of the PLO.
@@lordsmobile8769 True, and if you look at the coins of the time you will see its the British Mandate of Palestine in English and Eretz Israel in Hebrew and Filistin in Arabic. The Arabs at the time found the use of the name Palestine insulting as it was "southern Syria" in their mind. (they also claimed that only the Jews called themselves Palestinians. The Arabs called themselves Syrians. You can find this in the Peel Commission report.)
@@1czechit1 so what the facts still remain it was the mandate of Palestine and not the mandate of Israel, If learnt true history and not spread hate and lies, you would have known many so called Israelis applied for Palestinians passport's and not Israeli passports hahaha because there was no Israel.
@@lordsmobile8769 You are correct on the Palestinian passport. The Jews called themselves Palestinian and the Arabs called themselves Syrians. The Arabs only took on a "Palestinian" identity in 1950s. That is because the Jews named the Jewish state Israel in 1948. But only the Jews called themselves Palestinian before that.
Clearly unfortunately though, Israel doesn’t respect a two state solution. As we have seen. It is sad, this superiority complex at the root of this problem. And everyone suffers for it.
@@isrargulzar2805 yea.. I know... that land is very special and should be held by genuinely loving people. Shame what this Zionists movement is doing. And the obvious negative ripple effect it has on the rest of the world. Can’t love god and money. It’s one or the other.
@@isrargulzar2805 idiotic claim. "Greater Israel"? Who stole 77 of the original Mandate and now demands stealing the remaining part? Oh, yeah. It's the colonizers out of the Arab peninsula whose thievery is evident across the entirety of North Africa and most of Southwestern Asia.
Israel’s illegal settlements have made a 2 state solution an impossible task and an end to this conflict will never come … you cannot oppress and kill an entire people as much as you may try. Even in genocide people will survive to tell the story and fight back. Jews forget the holocaust and what they had to endure.
This epitomises the arrogance of the Israeli opinion. Why on earth would Palestinian people be at the debate when Israel is obviously capable of, not only acting in vicious retaliation but of actually preventing them from coming. No two state solution is honestly available. Settlers were withdrawn from Gaza only to create it as a vast prison and now, they want it back. How could the Palestinian people negotiate with their oppressors when settlers are supported by IDS even as they maim and kill those whose homes they steal. The forced disproportion of rights is evident throughout the world and the refusal to see that disproportion is mainly down to American influences. America says that Israel is their friend and the world caves in or else.
@@abbabi1975controlling water? They also banned seeds from gaza at some point Are seeds fuel for rockets? It's clear Israel blockades harmed civilians more than any one
When I listened Mr Levys' speech I watched it on one breath till the end, and I wanted to watch more.But when this guy opened his mouth I stopped watching this video on first minute
“There’s a difference between peace and liberation, is there not? You can have injustice and have peace […] so peace isn’t the answer, liberation is the answer […] that’s the white man’s word Peace, Liberation is our word […]” Kwame Ture
Yitfah's stance, standing on one leg, one hand in the pocket, is absolutely horrendous. the body language speaks for itself. no wonder - he is an israeli diplomat now. LOL
"I don't know whose this is but it's fine." What people don't know is that glass of water was hiding behind a civilian glass shield. He had to neutralize that terror.
put the single state aside and show me the suggested borders i do believe in most of what he said as a palestinian and since both solutions are a dream for me the two states one seems nicer but the problem is the settlements and the walkaround is seperated palestinian islands controlled by israel not two states
@@chedibechikh449 Im sorry what do you mean 22%....Trans Jordan was suppose to be for the Palestinians. Palestine was meant for the Jews. Furthermore, based on not only history, but what their explicit goal is.... what is the political ramification for Palestine once they are established on the 67' borders, and then they try to attack israel again to get the rest of the land?
These arguments are incredibly weak. The use of Syria as an example is exceptionally weak. The speaker should bear in mind that the Arab states have been multi-ethnic and multi religious for centuries.
LOL what are you talking about... Yes 95% muslim and a small minority other... Hopefully you're not going to compare multi ethnic/religious affiliation of Israel and the rest of the middle east
@@kurolap7882 your percentages are wrong and a daft generalisation. Regardless of the number, the point is that in Israel, Jews have supremacy by law. It is therefore an apartheid state. And it is one that was formed by the colonial displacement of indigenous peoples. Enjoy!
@@Mohika881 The average Muslim population of the Middle east is 91% Muslim That is even when taking Israel into account Israel on the other hand has 73% Jews, 19% Muslims, 2% christians, 2% druze. Jews do not actually have supremecy of law. those 19% of arab Muslims have full citizenship. Israel migrated to the region legally buying land from Arabs. The population transfer between Jews and Arabs was acknowledged to be required even under the UN partitian plan. And just so you understand Jews are ALSO the indigenous people. The original ones. The RE-establishment of Israel is one of the only succesfull cases of DE-colonization I can tell you know nothing about this topic as you're wrong about everything you said en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_the_Middle_East
sorry but even 48 border was not fair, what about 22% for palestinians who was the majority of the popuplaton even after the massive immigration of j.e.w.s from Europe!!! this is the real problem do we need to wait 100s year or 200 for peace?
in 1956, Ahmad Shuqairy, who eight years later would found the Palestine Liberation Organization, told the UN security Council, "it is common knowledge that Palestine is nothing but southern Syria."
criticise, criticise, criticise, totally ignored talks about 2 state solution, about peace talks, doesn't wanna talk about Palestine being being occupied and controlled.
These Zios are crazy if they think sane people are going to believe this nonsense. He tries to blame the Palestinians for the failure of the 2 State Solution. 😂
No freedom fighter defeated in the history of the world. Like Afghanistan from Russia and America Beatnum from American Bangladesh from Pakistan India from Britain
As much as I supported Gideon Levy arguments - I would still support a Two State Solution. Al Aqsa is scared to both Muslims and Jews - we wish peace and harmony in Israel/Palestine.
2 state solution means Palestinians will have only 20% of their land to establish a state over, 20% of Palestinian land plus the return of refugees to their lands in Israel that would be fair!! I am a Palestinian and our land is in Israel today, a first generation refugee, my father is still alive, he was pushed out twice, once in 1948 Dayr Aban Jerusalem, and second time in 1967 from Dheisheh camp Bethlehem. Watch Tantura for Alon Schwarz, a small coastal county massacre by Jewish militias (before Israel existed) against it's Palestinians population, ethnic cleansing by all means, once was 100% Palestinians, today it is 100% Jews, see Acre city, how beautiful it is, once was 100% Palestinians, today it is 100% Israelis, why Palestinians should give up their land and live in diaspora as second class citizens in refugee hosting countries?! Even if I have a million citizenship I am still a Palestinian and I will always be and I will always want to return!
@raveenahayer808:"As much as I supported Gideon Levy arguments - I would still support a Two State Solution." How would this be implemented - what would you do with the 700k illegal settlers?.
Wtf does he mean are Palestinians in any position to come to a debate ? Have you left them able enough to do that you have blocked their water food and every basic human right they are struggling to even survive and to live and you privileged forceful occupier basterds say why they don't come to a debate ?
LMAO. Multiple "Palestinian" billionaires, embassies across the Arab hegemony and stations in the west - but, yeah, there's no way they can show up. Lol Okay, bro.
Palestine was freed from the British Mandate and achieved independence in May 15 1948. Its inhabitants, named it Israel and this state was recognized by international law (San Remo Conference, League of Nations Mandate, and the UN Charter article 80). TransJordan invaded and illegally occupied Judea and Samaria till they were driven out in a defensive war in 1967. So its free... and called Israel.
@@deficrypto1234humiliating defeat to Israel in 1967 and continued strain with Israel and other Arab nations with Palestinian statehood. Look up Camp David Accords.
@@deficrypto1234 Egypt controlled Gaza from 1948-1967, Jordan controlled the West Bank from 1948-1967, if they really had a national identity and the Arab states cared for them, they could've created a state long ago.
You mean the same Israeli people who voted for him? And you do know that even he turned against the Oslo accords because of the Arabs' refusal to move on peace.
Here's a mad idea if Arabs converted to become a jew would they then get equal rights freedom to travel and right to return do u want your religion or your country what would happen
It’s not that easy because conversion in Judaism is only accepted if it’s an orthodox conversion and even then it’s a very lengthy process. A lot of Jews don’t accept converts because they weren’t Jewish by blood or had a Jewish mother
Israeli are not for peace if they were why look for military not the peace, also nuclear bomb, why AIPAC steal american taxpayer money by billions, Obama hands Israel the largest military aid deal in history | The .electronicintifada.net/.../obama-hands-israel-largest-military-aid-deal-history Sep 14, 2016 - Why is Obama showering Israel with billions more in military aid? ... which anticipates hundreds of millions of dollars in lost revenue as a result. ... Here in Alabama the state is $100M short on Medicaid funding for 2017 U.S. military aid to Israel exceeds $100 billion - Haaretz - Israel News ... Sep 14, 2016 - Why is Obama showering Israel with billions more in military aid? ... which anticipates hundreds of millions of dollars in lost revenue as a result. ... Here in Alabama the state is $100M short on Medicaid funding for 2017 Trump also Senate Passes Bill to Enshrine $38-billion Military Aid Package to Israel Into Law The act gives the defense package the imprimatur of Congress, which would keep any future president from reneging
Talk about Two State: Look at Syria, Look at Iraq. What the Fack!! That's what Israelis do, If you talk about palestine, they will tell you to Look there, hey look here!
The Two State Solution was offered in November 1947, by the United Nations. The Arabs said, “NO! We will drive every Jew into the sea.” 5 wars later, the Two State solution is impossible. There are 22 Arab Muslim states surrounding Israel.
Because 2 state solutions WITHOUT the return of refugees to their lands in Israel makes no sense, 2 state solution over 20% of Palestinian land!! you are funny, Palestinians will say no this over and over again, Why Palestinians who are from their beautiful cities Jaffa, Haifa, Ashdod, Acre, Tiberias, West Jerusalem and all surrounding villages, who are living in diaspora give up their land?! they don't care to be citizens of Palestine or Israel, as long as their stolen assets (Lands, houses) are back to its owners the Palestinians, and compensated for all crimes such as Tantura (Watch Tantura for Alon Schwarz).
Yeah remember when England took the offer to give away half their country to the Romans yesterday because they lived there 2000 years ago? England are so generous to give away half their country. Israel doesn't give away a inch of land that isn't there's
I'am 62. When I was 11 or 12, in school. I have friends, some were for the Palestinian the other for Israel. The argument...it was no arguments. From war to war to an another war, there is no end for war. From a generation to generation there is no end and war is the only future. Do can Human Being live just with fear, hate and violence? Don't Human Being need love, empathy or tenderness,? Is it not also a part Human Being? The both found their legitimate on the past but we could find legitimate on future? Past is the past and we have not forget but we can't forget the future. Palestinian babies and Israeli babies, in Palestinian foetus and Israeli foetus don't need peace and love of their mother? It's a base to build a future. Weapon, army, would perhaps desapear. Two people in one country. It's an utopia, but utopia could be the seed for a future oak... When I was 11 or 12,I didn't what to think, I disliked dispute... Maybe I am still 11 or 12. And why we don't ask the children? 2 People in a same country? A same Flag?
As a jew, do you believe a Muslim is your enemy. What I’ve noticed is the slight striking similarity with the character of Musa A.S. In the Quran that the speaker has. That tongue lol
Zionism created this new war between Jews and Muslims. Antisemitism did exist in Islamic communities but Zionism made relations between Muslims and Jews substantially worse
המונח שמיים כולל ערבים, אכדים, כנענים, עברים, כמה אתיופים (כולל האמהרה והטיגריאים), ושבטים ארמים. The term Semites include Arabs, Akkadians, Canaanites, Hebrews, some Ethiopians (including the Amhara and the Tigrayans), and Aramaean tribes.
ISRAEL BELONGS TO THE JEWISH PEOPLE :A common misperception is that the Jews were forced into the diaspora by the Romans after the destruction of the Second Temple in Jerusalem in the year 70 A.D. and then, 1,800 years later, suddenly returned to Palestine demanding their country back. In reality, the Jewish people have maintained ties to their historic homeland for more than 3,700 years. A national language and a distinct civilization have been maintained.The Jewish people base their claim to the land of Israel on at least four premises: 1) God promised the land to the patriarch Abraham; 2) the Jewish people settled and developed the land; 3) the international community granted political sovereignty in Palestine to the Jewish people and 4) the territory was captured in defensive wars.The term "Palestine" is believed to be derived from the Philistines, an Aegean people who, in the 12th Century B.C., settled along the Mediterranean coastal plain of what is now Israel and the Gaza Strip. In the second century A.D., after crushing the last Jewish revolt, the Romans first applied the name Palaestina to Judea (the southern portion of what is now called the West Bank) in an attempt to minimize Jewish identification with the land of Israel. The Arabic word "Filastin" is derived from this Latin name.The Twelve Tribes of Israel formed the first constitutional monarchy in Palestine about 1000 B.C. The second king, David, first made Jerusalem the nation's capital. Although eventually Palestine was split into two separate kingdoms, Jewish independence there lasted for 212 years. This is almost as long as Americans have enjoyed independence in what has become known as the United States.Even after the destruction of the Second Temple in Jerusalem and the beginning of the exile, Jewish life in Palestine continued and often flourished. Large communities were reestablished in Jerusalem and Tiberias by the ninth century. In the 11th century, Jewish communities grew in Rafah, Gaza, Ashkelon, Jaffa and Caesarea.(www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/History/The_Jewish_Claim_To_The_Land_Of_Israel.html)
During the 19th and early 20th century the population of the lands of Palestine were overwhelmingly Arab. Yes, there have been Jews in the area for millennium, but does that mean the land belongs to them solely? Does that give them the right to displace the population that were living there at the time? Does that give them the right to carry out and continue apartheid? Because according to your religion, god gave you the land? That's not how land works around the world. If descendants of Romans, Vikings and Macedonians wanted to reclaim land through force they held previously today, would that be cool with you? No, it's only cool with you when it's your own people re-taking land, even at the expense of millions.
1800 years before!? hahaha and you mock at Palestinians being 3rd generation refugees, that makes no sense, hypocrisy will lead Israel to only destruction!! sooner or later, believe it or not!! as long as people like you existz people who don't wish to coexist with the original owners of the houses, owners of the lands, and owners of all the beautiful memories!!
@@retrospective77 Jew is not a race, it's a religion. Arab is a race, like Chinese, Caucasian, Indians etc. The majority of people in Palestine were Arab because that's there ethnic race. I never could differentiate which of you white skinned people are jew or christian, because those are belief systems. Sometimes I've even been surprised to find white muslims. But that's the thing. You think being Arab means you can't be from that land? Most likely the Arabs (Palestinians) who were dispossessed from Palestine were descendants of the original Jews and others from that time period who just converted to Islam.
then by your argument: White people should be excommunicated from the Americas and return it to the natives. As well as other white people that are the descendants of colonizers in their currently occupied land (Australia, Hawaii, Africa, etc) By your argument, these white people should return these lands to the natives because they were there first and these colonizers stole these lands from them
pour avoir la paix il faut que les israeliens et les palestiniens aient les memes droits ce qui n'est pas le cas etat naions juives pour les juifs seuls eux ont le droit a l'autodetermination donc Apartheid
Levy is not demonising Israel, he is a true patriot that actually cares about all human life… all humans are equal
then he should support 2 state solution.
Levy is a moron who would vote for his own extinction out of empathy
Levy's argument wasn't about Israel laying down its arms and there would magically be peace, but about treating everyone equally. Levy also realizes a state which is separate but equal is inherently unequal and a two state solution is like a house divided against itself and will not last.
Your first claim was evident for years when Jews in Israel and Palestinians got along in kibbutz and the West Bank. The second claim is weak as just like the other Arab states are able to trade, have a brotherhood.. Palestine would have the same luxury, especially with the other brotherhood countries.. Israel has stronger allies in the west, but both would be logistically and economically stable.
Israel is not separate but equal. There is no distinction between one citizens and another citizen.
You would accept millions of people into your country who voted for a party whose only aim was to destroy your country, and then give them equal rights?
Only a moron would make such a dangerous decision
This guy completely misunderstood Levy's argument. It's about equal human rights, which is not possible in Apartheid Israel. Palestinians are not allowed to leave Palestine without Israeli permission?!! How crazy is that.. Its a prison for Palestinians
1st Israel was created via treaty (sevres article 95) Arabs got their states in the same treaty in Syria and Iraq. A mandate system was to transfer control. 2. there was no such thing as an Arab state of Palestine or Palestinian Arabs. In 1919 when the Arabs delegation made their pleading in the Paris Peace Conference, a group calling itself Palestine Arab Congress wrote that they were Syrians nationally, morally, and economically. (aka no Palestine or Palestinians) "Human rights" is that the Jews get their state (in what is today Israel and Jordan) the Arabs get their state (in what is today Syria, Lebanon, and Iraq) and all the Jews from Arab states come to Israel, all the Arabs (who do not wish to live under the Jewish state) go to Arab countries. That is just, that is peaceful, that is civilized.
They don't need Israel's permission. They can go to Syria, Egypt, and Jordan, and go anywhere they want form there.
Were Palestinians given visas and the means to travel to Oxford to make representations on their behalf. ? Surely if Oxford insisted on Palestinian representation for a discussion on a 2 state solution it would just happen. Otherwise , it even makes Oxford appear biased in favour of Israel.
I guarantee Israeli denied palestinans to travel here. Israel is Apartheid country and it can't be trusted
Surely? There are no - as in zero - Palestinians who advocate for a two state solution. They want all of “Palestine” and every Israeli - Jew, Christian, and Arab thrown into the Mediterranean. The Palestinians have been offered peace multiple times; they could have already had their own state with East Jerusalem as its capital more than a decade ago. They were offered approx 98 percent of what they wanted with appropriate land swaps and they still said “no”. If you can find a “Palestinian” representative willing to go on record supporting a two state solution, let us all know - they don’t exist.
I think not
Oxford is funded by Zionist jews.😂
I thought the same when he said that. That is SO unfair 😒
Gideon Levy was not demonising. He was simply saying the truth and he has been consistent for 40 years!
You mean the man who invented and misreported events in the media? That Gideon Levy?
@@1czechit1No the man who was actually a human being with a conscience. Please refrain from making such ignorant comments and instead educating yourself objectively without being fed misinformation and then churning out that propaganda too. The nerve. From the river to the sea PALESTINE 🇵🇸 WILL BE FREE 🕊️💖
@@1czechit1 Stop lying...
its true@@NikoHL
Because he is saying what you want to hear.
He dismissed the illegal settlements like it's absolutely nothing. DAMN
I think his point ois more that, however difficult the setllements make it, the one state solution is the worst option
@@juancpgo NO one who understands the issue and thinks Isreal itself should exist think that the occupation itself is illegitimate, but the continued settlement building is anothing thing
@@internetenjoyer1044 stuid person
@@internetenjoyer1044one state solution is better in my opinion
He didn’t dismiss it, he pointed out that negotiated were agreed upon over land swaps.
4:44
Let's talk about these withdrawals in detail. Starting with Sinai:
Settlements dismantled in Sinai: 18
Settlers withdrawn from Sinai: Around 6,000.
Upon the day of the withdrawal, 1,200 settlers barricaded themselves inside buildings in the largest settlement of Yamit, threatening to kill the soldiers sent to evict them, or themselves. This resistance was more performative than serious, and the soldiers peacefully removed them without bloodshed.
That day, Defense Minister (and future Prime Minister) Ariel Sharon said: "In Sinai, in Yamit, we have reached the limits of our concessions. We turn to strengthening our security, to our development in every sphere. We shall turn to increasing and consolidating our settlements on the Golan Heights, in Judea, Samaria [Note: Judea and Samaria are Israeli names for the West Bank], and the Gaza district--settlements that are an integral part to our security, settlements that are a true basis for political plans--all in the framework of the government's avowed policy." Additionally, he said: "We have done the UNIMAGINABLE."
Now, let's talk about the Gaza withdrawal:
Settlements dismantled in Gaza: 21
Settlers withdrawn from Gaza: Around 9,000
Once again, there was drama. Media coverage in the run up to the evacuations emphasized the probability of violence, the great threat that the evacuations posed. And, once again, there was performative resistance. IDF arrived with trucks, bulldozers, and riot gear, settlers threw rocks and vegetables at them. Children marched out of their homes with their hands up wearing Stars of David, invoking images of the Holocaust (incensing the Israeli public, who thought such unserious treatment of the Holocaust was atrocious). Once again, the resistance was primarily for show, and there was no actual fighting, no bloodshed.
Once again, the great national trauma of withdrawal was framed by now Prime Minister Sharon as a necessity -- because to annex Gaza would be the demise of Israel demographically: "It is no secret that, like many others, I had believed and hoped we could forever hold onto Netzarim and Kfar Darom. But the changing reality, in the country, in the region, and in the world, required of me a reassessment, and change of positions. We cannot hold on to Gaza forever. More than a million Palestinians live there and double their number with each generation." To the evacuating settlers, he said: "Residents of Gaza, today we end a glorious chapter in Israeli history, a central episode in your lives as pioneers, as realisers of the dream of those who bore the security and settlement burden for all of us. Your pain and your tears are an inextricable part of the history of our country."
So, that is how those evacuations went. They were unpopular, and played as painful, unwilling concessions, generous gifts from Israel to the Egyptians and to the Gazans, at an enormous cost. "UNIMAGINABLE."
Let's look to the current state of affairs in the West Bank:
Legal Settlements ("legal" according to Israeli law -- all settlements are illegal according to international law): 150
Illegal Outposts: 128
Settlers in the West Bank: Over 450,000
Settlers in East Jerusalem: Over 220,000
In Sinai, the largest settlement Yamit had around 3,000 settlers living there. In Gaza, the largest settlement Neve Dekalim had about 2,600 settlers living there. Their evacuations were "traumatic" to the nation.
In the West Bank, Modi'in Illit has a population of 81,000; Beitar Illit has a population of 60,000; Ma'ale Adumim has a population of 38,000; Ariel has a population of 21,000. We can ask ourselves -- what Israeli government will dismantle over 275 settlements? What Israeli government would evacuate 700,000 settlers, or even 450,000 settlers? Who believes this is possible?
This is not a strictly academic discussion, because we have *seen* just how close Israel and Palestine came to peace, in the talks between Olmert and Abbas, and we know precisely where they got hung up. They agreed Palestine would have "strong police," but no military or air force, and that the border on the Jordan Valley would be policed by NATO. Israel would effectively control Palestinian airspace and have full permission from the Palestinian government to make military incursions in pursuit of terrorists. The final map proposed by Olmert annexed 6.3% of the territory with 5.8% being given as compensation, and a tunnel would run between Hebron and Gaza. All important questions in Jerusalem were settled (although the plans for religious sites would have to be accepted by the broader Arab world), only a few neighborhood remained to be ironed out. The refugee issue, ever a thorny problem, had reached a principle agreement -- a token readmission of around 10,000 refugees, and an international fund to compensate the remaining refugees for loss of property organized by Israel.
Where they really got hung up was Ma'ale Adumim, and especially Ariel. Beitar Illit and Modi'in Illit can be annexed without issue as they are right on the border, but Ariel was erected specifically to separate Nablus from Ramallah, it is an affront to Palestinian statehood. And yet even peace-loving Olmert said he would never be able to evacuate Ariel. It simply was not possible.
Abbas's offer, which was around 2% annexation to Olmert's 6%, kept around 60% of settlers in place. And this was unacceptable even to Olmert. Look up Ma'ale Adumim and Ariel on a map, and ask yourself -- how could Palestine accept a border wall going through the West Bank to protect these areas? They blatantly cantonize the territory, they make travel laborious. Even Abbas' deal is still one in which Israel gets everything -- a demilitarized, defanged neighbor which does not even fully control its own borders, but in the end, the settler problem is too great for Israel to confront.
I still believe in two states, even today, amid all this horror and wasted life. But we can not hide from the magnitude of the problem. Empty repetitions that peace will come when Palestinians accept it are not true, and they bring us no closer to a peaceful future. I do not wish for Gideon Levy to be right, but with each passing day that the airwaves are still filled with empty talk and no serious movement towards peace, I fear that he is.
My heart breaks for our Palestinian brothers. Only decisive international diplomatic pressure will bring justice. If equality of people's dignity can be achieved, allowing Palestine to determine herself as a fully fledged country, then things will change.
Thanks a lot for this insightful and clear write up 👏🏾
Wow man that was pretty thoughtful you are fascinating
Even as an arab who thinks that he knows a lot about the cause I read things I haven't read before
I really want to know -if possible- where are you from ?
@@moflehgazali8392 United States :)
thank you so much for writing this, this was so insightful
It’s terrifying because he actually believes the utter garbage he is spouting.
It is amazing that this guy starts off by saying that you can’t view this situation in a vacuum but then leaves out any nuance in any of the points that he brings up after. “Oh well the Israelis removed settlements in Gaza”, yes because they deemed it unsafe not for any sort of realization that it was unethical and illegal, “oh well the Palestinians rejected peace every time” yes because the Israeli government demonstrated every time that it had no intention of following the plan (ie. when Netanyahu accelerated settlement building during peace negotiations, when Netanyahu lead mass protests against peace negotiations, which lead to the assassination of the PM of Israel at the time violently forced Palestinians out of the Al-Aqsa mosque. And that’s not even to talk about how all of the “deals” that were presented were widely skewed towards benefitting the Israelis, many Israel supporters will Liam the opposite but much like the IDF they provide no substantive proof aside from anecdotes that could be lies whereas the other side has people across the board saying Palestinians were being screwed over all the way up to and including ex Israeli officials like Schlomo Ben-Ami who said in regards to the Camp David Accords “Camp David was not the missed opposites unity for the Palestinians, and if I were a Palestinians I would have rejected Camp David as well. This is something a I put in the book. but at as is the problem The Clinton parameters are the problem”.
Good comment 👍🏽
I applaud Gideon Levy... for having the courage not many would have to stand up for people that are not even his own. How beautiful it is for someone to put their ego aside, religions aside.. and to just think about them as humans who deserve all the freedom anyone else has. The one you say is "demonizing" Israel in a room full of those who oppose him.. is actually there being a just man and standing up for people who don't even have the means to fairly represent themselves or the means or visas to travel here. Imagine how much courage it takes to be Israeli and to stand up in front of a whole room full of those who oppose you. He stood up for humanity.. shame on you for putting him down.
❤ ABSOLUTELY 💯👍🏼🇵🇸🕊️🫶🏻
Please watch Gideon Levy's 2015 conference speech you will be blown away.
"Gideon Levy: Does unconditional support for Israel endanger Israeli voices?"
Good man
oh give me a break. Levy is an anti-Israel activist. He does not give a care about the Arabs.
I admire the truth speach of Levy's Noble Speach, with all respect of a human being,very knowledgeable talent, thank you,may Almighty God bless you.
4:19
"I don't know who's this is, but that's fine"
- The slogan of Israel
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Did this guy say dwelling on past wrong gets us absolutely nowhere?! The arrogance
After enduring this lecture one could only guess that the presenter was handpicked to make Gideon Levy look like a god…
3:28 you have to believe your own lies in order to live this way
Why does he so blatantly lie? It's like he's not interested
"There are no difference between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese. We are all part of one nation. It is only for political reasons that we carefuly underline out Palestinian idenity… Yes, the existance of a sprarate Palestinian identity serves only tactical purposes. The founding of a Palestinians stats is a new tool in the contiuing battle against Israel"....Ahmed Shuqairy, founder of the PLO.
@@lordsmobile8769 True, and if you look at the coins of the time you will see its the British Mandate of Palestine in English and Eretz Israel in Hebrew and Filistin in Arabic. The Arabs at the time found the use of the name Palestine insulting as it was "southern Syria" in their mind. (they also claimed that only the Jews called themselves Palestinians. The Arabs called themselves Syrians. You can find this in the Peel Commission report.)
@@1czechit1 so what the facts still remain it was the mandate of Palestine and not the mandate of Israel, If learnt true history and not spread hate and lies, you would have known many so called Israelis applied for Palestinians passport's and not Israeli passports hahaha because there was no Israel.
@@lordsmobile8769 You are correct on the Palestinian passport. The Jews called themselves Palestinian and the Arabs called themselves Syrians. The Arabs only took on a "Palestinian" identity in 1950s. That is because the Jews named the Jewish state Israel in 1948. But only the Jews called themselves Palestinian before that.
@@lordsmobile8769 and the Palestine Mandate flag was blue and white with a gold Star of David.
Clearly unfortunately though, Israel doesn’t respect a two state solution. As we have seen. It is sad, this superiority complex at the root of this problem. And everyone suffers for it.
Their goal is greater Israel project check it out
@@isrargulzar2805 yea.. I know... that land is very special and should be held by genuinely loving people. Shame what this Zionists movement is doing. And the obvious negative ripple effect it has on the rest of the world. Can’t love god and money. It’s one or the other.
@@isrargulzar2805 idiotic claim. "Greater Israel"? Who stole 77 of the original Mandate and now demands stealing the remaining part?
Oh, yeah. It's the colonizers out of the Arab peninsula whose thievery is evident across the entirety of North Africa and most of Southwestern Asia.
Fake news. It was the Arabs who walked away from every two state offer.
Israel’s illegal settlements have made a 2 state solution an impossible task and an end to this conflict will never come … you cannot oppress and kill an entire people as much as you may try. Even in genocide people will survive to tell the story and fight back. Jews forget the holocaust and what they had to endure.
This epitomises the arrogance of the Israeli opinion. Why on earth would Palestinian people be at the debate when Israel is obviously capable of, not only acting in vicious retaliation but of actually preventing them from coming.
No two state solution is honestly available. Settlers were withdrawn from Gaza only to create it as a vast prison and now, they want it back. How could the Palestinian people negotiate with their oppressors when settlers are supported by IDS even as they maim and kill those whose homes they steal. The forced disproportion of rights is evident throughout the world and the refusal to see that disproportion is mainly down to American influences. America says that Israel is their friend and the world caves in or else.
He didn't mention that when Israel "left" Gaza in the early 2000's, they still had a heavy military presence there.
Yes because PA was not in charge, there were multiple militant factions, dangerous. Hence the result #hamas
Gaza is a open air prison. When wasn't it?
@@abbabi1975controlling water? They also banned seeds from gaza at some point
Are seeds fuel for rockets? It's clear
Israel blockades harmed civilians more than any one
So you want the group that you torture to come have a discussion with you?
7 plus yrs later.. how is occupational management going?
He sounds crazy … NEXT!!!
Palestine no you will not them in oxford as they are not allowed to lleave the prision israil keeps them in
Everything he said is either misleading or untrue.
Another arab
@@user-gq7vb8id9i and??!
@@bibihabbshi6384 type "another jew" and see the anti-sematic brigade get in action.
Like what?
Big words for you. You ok?
When I listened Mr Levys' speech I watched it on one breath till the end, and I wanted to watch more.But when this guy opened his mouth I stopped watching this video on first minute
hes just reading...
“There’s a difference between peace and liberation, is there not? You can have injustice and have peace […] so peace isn’t the answer, liberation is the answer […] that’s the white man’s word Peace, Liberation is our word […]”
Kwame Ture
Yitfah's stance, standing on one leg, one hand in the pocket, is absolutely horrendous. the body language speaks for itself. no wonder - he is an israeli diplomat now. LOL
and reading not speaking
4:20 Freudan slip while taking a sip?
Nice.
"I don't know whose this is but it's fine." What people don't know is that glass of water was hiding behind a civilian glass shield. He had to neutralize that terror.
put the single state aside and show me the suggested borders
i do believe in most of what he said as a palestinian and since both solutions are a dream for me the two states one seems nicer but the problem is the settlements and the walkaround is seperated palestinian islands controlled by israel not two states
my friend the suggested border is 67, which give 22% for palestinians and isarel will take from them 8%
@@chedibechikh449 Im sorry what do you mean 22%....Trans Jordan was suppose to be for the Palestinians.
Palestine was meant for the Jews.
Furthermore, based on not only history, but what their explicit goal is....
what is the political ramification for Palestine once they are established on the 67' borders, and then they try to attack israel again to get the rest of the land?
Did the oxford union invite any oalastinians for the debate?
If they did, would the UK permit them to enter?
Talk is Cheap.
These arguments are incredibly weak. The use of Syria as an example is exceptionally weak. The speaker should bear in mind that the Arab states have been multi-ethnic and multi religious for centuries.
LOL what are you talking about...
Yes 95% muslim and a small minority other...
Hopefully you're not going to compare multi ethnic/religious affiliation of Israel and the rest of the middle east
@@kurolap7882 your percentages are wrong and a daft generalisation. Regardless of the number, the point is that in Israel, Jews have supremacy by law. It is therefore an apartheid state. And it is one that was formed by the colonial displacement of indigenous peoples. Enjoy!
@@Mohika881 The average Muslim population of the Middle east is 91% Muslim
That is even when taking Israel into account
Israel on the other hand has 73% Jews, 19% Muslims, 2% christians, 2% druze.
Jews do not actually have supremecy of law. those 19% of arab Muslims have full citizenship.
Israel migrated to the region legally buying land from Arabs. The population transfer between Jews and Arabs was acknowledged to be required even under the UN partitian plan. And just so you understand Jews are ALSO the indigenous people. The original ones.
The RE-establishment of Israel is one of the only succesfull cases of DE-colonization
I can tell you know nothing about this topic as you're wrong about everything you said
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_the_Middle_East
sorry but even 48 border was not fair, what about 22% for palestinians who was the majority of the popuplaton even after the massive immigration of j.e.w.s from Europe!!! this is the real problem do we need to wait 100s year or 200 for peace?
The Arabs got the majority of the land. It's called Jordan.
Not a word of truth out of his mouth.
Efraim Newman they won’t negotiate they’ve asked they say no
in 1956, Ahmad Shuqairy, who eight years later would found the Palestine Liberation Organization, told the UN security Council, "it is common knowledge that Palestine is nothing but southern Syria."
Yet you haven't disproven a single thing he stated.
So Palestinians are free to travel?
They can, through Egypt. If only they will let them too. I wonder why they won't.
@@MelGhipsmaybe the Billions of dollars USA gives them every year has something to do with it.
To Jordan, where they are from.
@@mikeoxlong3676 they don't come from Jordan.
Lol what a propagandist lair
criticise, criticise, criticise, totally ignored talks about 2 state solution, about peace talks, doesn't wanna talk about Palestine being being occupied and controlled.
These Zios are crazy if they think sane people are going to believe this nonsense. He tries to blame the Palestinians for the failure of the 2 State Solution. 😂
No freedom fighter defeated in the history of the world. Like
Afghanistan from Russia and America
Beatnum from American
Bangladesh from Pakistan
India from Britain
Spread freedom fighters to other countries and the fight will end
Hasbara wind up doll
Imperialist stooge.
Dwelling on past wrongs - the eternal words of the Usurpers to the Dispossessed.
Vote for Gedon Levy
As much as I supported Gideon Levy arguments - I would still support a Two State Solution. Al Aqsa is scared to both Muslims and Jews - we wish peace and harmony in Israel/Palestine.
2 state solution means Palestinians will have only 20% of their land to establish a state over, 20% of Palestinian land plus the return of refugees to their lands in Israel that would be fair!! I am a Palestinian and our land is in Israel today, a first generation refugee, my father is still alive, he was pushed out twice, once in 1948 Dayr Aban Jerusalem, and second time in 1967 from Dheisheh camp Bethlehem.
Watch Tantura for Alon Schwarz, a small coastal county massacre by Jewish militias (before Israel existed) against it's Palestinians population, ethnic cleansing by all means, once was 100% Palestinians, today it is 100% Jews, see Acre city, how beautiful it is, once was 100% Palestinians, today it is 100% Israelis, why Palestinians should give up their land and live in diaspora as second class citizens in refugee hosting countries?! Even if I have a million citizenship I am still a Palestinian and I will always be and I will always want to return!
@raveenahayer808:"As much as I supported Gideon Levy arguments - I would still support a Two State Solution." How would this be implemented - what would you do with the 700k illegal settlers?.
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@@akpl4210 I dont't understand why palestnians accepted 22% , and israel is not ok for the right to return of refugees
@@johnrichard1417Quite simple: deport the illegal settlers as they've no business to be there in the first place!
Two states solution does not solve the problem of racism 😮💔💔
When you believe your own lies. Who does he think he is talking about Islam and the middle east. This guy should know his place
Wtf does he mean are Palestinians in any position to come to a debate ? Have you left them able enough to do that you have blocked their water food and every basic human right they are struggling to even survive and to live and you privileged forceful occupier basterds say why they don't come to a debate ?
Mahmoud Abbas, president of the Palestinian Authority, is a multimillionaire.
LMAO. Multiple "Palestinian" billionaires, embassies across the Arab hegemony and stations in the west - but, yeah, there's no way they can show up. Lol
Okay, bro.
What a liar
Palestinians do not have to negotiate with terrorist occupation for their own land.
Their own land in Arabia? Sure.
The indigenous people - the Jews - shouldn't have to negotiate with Arab colonizers on Jewish soil.
Yiftah ?? Yeftah okhtak
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London, England . By the River Thames, at Cheyne Walk , the State of Isrräel came into being. London is where we started and now we return to Zero.
FREE PALESTINE
Palestine was freed from the British Mandate and achieved independence in May 15 1948. Its inhabitants, named it Israel and this state was recognized by international law (San Remo Conference, League of Nations Mandate, and the UN Charter article 80). TransJordan invaded and illegally occupied Judea and Samaria till they were driven out in a defensive war in 1967. So its free... and called Israel.
@@1czechit1 Amen.
Indeed. Free it from Arab colonialism.
Thank you Mr. Gideon, salute 🫡
I do agree with Mr Levi. What he said makes sense and creates peace in the whole Middle East.
War is trauma. For everyone.
How did Israel acheive peace with Egypt?
It gave Egypt back all the land it stole.
Maybe they should try giving the palestinians all their lands back too?
@@IcarianX Egypt didn't steal any land from Palestine. Furthermore Isreal Stil occupies Gaza West Bank and Golan Heights.
@@deficrypto1234humiliating defeat to Israel in 1967 and continued strain with Israel and other Arab nations with Palestinian statehood. Look up Camp David Accords.
@@deficrypto1234 Egypt controlled Gaza from 1948-1967, Jordan controlled the West Bank from 1948-1967, if they really had a national identity and the Arab states cared for them, they could've created a state long ago.
@@deficrypto1234Israel does not occupy gaza... They left in 2005.
4:45 this was a occupied territories just like westbank and Gaza .
Israeli never wish peace, for the same reason, they assassinated , Yitzhak Rabin also netenyahou did not run for Rabin wishes also,
You mean the same Israeli people who voted for him? And you do know that even he turned against the Oslo accords because of the Arabs' refusal to move on peace.
Two State solution will be better for both nations
Why?
They'll still want to kill each other
Two state solution is impossible. Israel is not going to dismantle the settlements and without the return of the West Bank, peace is impossible.
Why not?@@joebish6629
@@joebish6629They already offered Arafat 94% of the West bank and he launched the second infantada in response.
Here's a mad idea if Arabs converted to become a jew would they then get equal rights freedom to travel and right to return do u want your religion or your country what would happen
yeah but the Arabs want to convert the other. so the opposite is more likely with a one- state solution
It’s not that easy because conversion in Judaism is only accepted if it’s an orthodox conversion and even then it’s a very lengthy process. A lot of Jews don’t accept converts because they weren’t Jewish by blood or had a Jewish mother
@@oliverhakim414by law it is possible and there have been many examples of converts becoming Israeli citizens.
At least Levi was natural and not reading any papers while this guy cutting just like verizon coverage
Israeli are not for peace if they were why look for military not the peace, also nuclear bomb, why AIPAC steal american taxpayer money by billions,
Obama hands Israel the largest military aid deal in history | The .electronicintifada.net/.../obama-hands-israel-largest-military-aid-deal-history
Sep 14, 2016 - Why is Obama showering Israel with billions more in military aid? ... which anticipates hundreds of millions of dollars in lost revenue as a result. ... Here in Alabama the state is $100M short on Medicaid funding for 2017
U.S. military aid to Israel exceeds $100 billion - Haaretz - Israel News ...
Sep 14, 2016 - Why is Obama showering Israel with billions more in military aid? ... which anticipates hundreds of millions of dollars in lost revenue as a result. ... Here in Alabama the state is $100M short on Medicaid funding for 2017
Trump also Senate Passes Bill to Enshrine $38-billion Military Aid Package to Israel Into Law
The act gives the defense package the imprimatur of Congress, which would keep any future president from reneging
Get a clue Niko. You have no clue what you are talking about. they elect their own government and can go anywhere including work in Israel.
You Israel won't allow, you are oppressed them oppressing them abd destroyed and destroying them😢
Israel is practising apartheid in Palestine.
Talk about Two State: Look at Syria, Look at Iraq. What the Fack!!
That's what Israelis do, If you talk about palestine, they will tell you to Look there, hey look here!
Peath , armth ,plathe ,uth ,ithaelieth .. 😆
Gideon levy read his mind, heart, soul and fact when yiftah read the whole crafted notes.
None of the Palestinian scholars were invited with visa to UK
Hmm
*It is dead will Israel move 700,000 people out of the occupied lands ?? No
God has no beloved people or country. That’s human made like every religion….and there the problem begins…the division….
Apartheid. And 700,000 settlers in illegally occupied Palestinian territories.
I think its time for palistinan and israel politicians to come together and negotiate for 2 state solution
Levy is the winner
The Two State Solution was offered in November 1947, by the United Nations.
The Arabs said, “NO!
We will drive every Jew into the sea.”
5 wars later, the Two State solution is impossible. There are 22 Arab Muslim states surrounding Israel.
Daughter of Jerusalem I think in total they’ve given them the offer 5 times.
Y should natives accept to divide their country with European immigrants?
Because 2 state solutions WITHOUT the return of refugees to their lands in Israel makes no sense, 2 state solution over 20% of Palestinian land!! you are funny, Palestinians will say no this over and over again, Why Palestinians who are from their beautiful cities Jaffa, Haifa, Ashdod, Acre, Tiberias, West Jerusalem and all surrounding villages, who are living in diaspora give up their land?! they don't care to be citizens of Palestine or Israel, as long as their stolen assets (Lands, houses) are back to its owners the Palestinians, and compensated for all crimes such as Tantura (Watch Tantura for Alon Schwarz).
Yeah remember when England took the offer to give away half their country to the Romans yesterday because they lived there 2000 years ago? England are so generous to give away half their country. Israel doesn't give away a inch of land that isn't there's
If the solution is bias n favoring only the iz%a=l, of course the Arab says NO
Mensch, Wake -up Bear !
Liar, liar.
1:35 😂😂😂 selfframed ?
Snake in a suit.
This is 2,021AD
I'am 62. When I was 11 or 12, in school. I have friends, some were for the Palestinian the other for Israel. The argument...it was no arguments.
From war to war to an another war, there is no end for war. From a generation to generation there is no end and war is the only future.
Do can Human Being live just with fear, hate and violence? Don't Human Being need love, empathy or tenderness,? Is it not also a part Human Being?
The both found their legitimate on the past but we could find legitimate on future? Past is the past and we have not forget but we can't forget the future.
Palestinian babies and Israeli babies, in Palestinian foetus and Israeli foetus don't need peace and love of their mother? It's a base to build a future.
Weapon, army, would perhaps desapear.
Two people in one country.
It's an utopia, but utopia could be the seed for a future oak...
When I was 11 or 12,I didn't what to think, I disliked dispute...
Maybe I am still 11 or 12.
And why we don't ask the children?
2 People in a same country?
A same Flag?
This guy does not know how to talk to people.
He is clearly so misguided.
Whose this kid ?
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Aha...Islam is the Problem? What's with Judaism and Zionism?! Let's talk about that
We have The Holy Land , so stop talking and face reality , CLEAN-UP TIME is now.
You couldn’t be a Gideon in your dreams. Look at you talking about others except Israel
He lies
As a jew, do you believe a Muslim is your enemy. What I’ve noticed is the slight striking similarity with the character of Musa A.S. In the Quran that the speaker has. That tongue lol
Zionism created this new war between Jews and Muslims. Antisemitism did exist in Islamic communities but Zionism made relations between Muslims and Jews substantially worse
No you do not; absolutely not; you're acting role-playing nothing more nothing less. No no no no history gives you the lousy lie...
המונח שמיים כולל ערבים, אכדים, כנענים, עברים, כמה אתיופים (כולל האמהרה והטיגריאים), ושבטים ארמים.
The term Semites include Arabs, Akkadians, Canaanites, Hebrews, some Ethiopians (including the Amhara and the Tigrayans), and Aramaean tribes.
4:21
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You do not care about Palestine
Ok
Then they could build sellenments in their land
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ISRAEL BELONGS TO THE JEWISH PEOPLE :A common misperception is that the Jews were forced into the diaspora by the Romans after the destruction of the Second Temple in Jerusalem in the year 70 A.D. and then, 1,800 years later, suddenly returned to Palestine demanding their country back. In reality, the Jewish people have maintained ties to their historic homeland for more than 3,700 years. A national language and a distinct civilization have been maintained.The Jewish people base their claim to the land of Israel on at least four premises: 1) God promised the land to the patriarch Abraham; 2) the Jewish people settled and developed the land; 3) the international community granted political sovereignty in Palestine to the Jewish people and 4) the territory was captured in defensive wars.The term "Palestine" is believed to be derived from the Philistines, an Aegean people who, in the 12th Century B.C., settled along the Mediterranean coastal plain of what is now Israel and the Gaza Strip. In the second century A.D., after crushing the last Jewish revolt, the Romans first applied the name Palaestina to Judea (the southern portion of what is now called the West Bank) in an attempt to minimize Jewish identification with the land of Israel. The Arabic word "Filastin" is derived from this Latin name.The Twelve Tribes of Israel formed the first constitutional monarchy in Palestine about 1000 B.C. The second king, David, first made Jerusalem the nation's capital. Although eventually Palestine was split into two separate kingdoms, Jewish independence there lasted for 212 years. This is almost as long as Americans have enjoyed independence in what has become known as the United States.Even after the destruction of the Second Temple in Jerusalem and the beginning of the exile, Jewish life in Palestine continued and often flourished. Large communities were reestablished in Jerusalem and Tiberias by the ninth century. In the 11th century, Jewish communities grew in Rafah, Gaza, Ashkelon, Jaffa and Caesarea.(www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/History/The_Jewish_Claim_To_The_Land_Of_Israel.html)
During the 19th and early 20th century the population of the lands of Palestine were overwhelmingly Arab. Yes, there have been Jews in the area for millennium, but does that mean the land belongs to them solely? Does that give them the right to displace the population that were living there at the time? Does that give them the right to carry out and continue apartheid? Because according to your religion, god gave you the land? That's not how land works around the world. If descendants of Romans, Vikings and Macedonians wanted to reclaim land through force they held previously today, would that be cool with you? No, it's only cool with you when it's your own people re-taking land, even at the expense of millions.
On what basis does Israel belong to Jews?
1800 years before!? hahaha and you mock at Palestinians being 3rd generation refugees, that makes no sense, hypocrisy will lead Israel to only destruction!! sooner or later, believe it or not!! as long as people like you existz people who don't wish to coexist with the original owners of the houses, owners of the lands, and owners of all the beautiful memories!!
@@retrospective77 Jew is not a race, it's a religion. Arab is a race, like Chinese, Caucasian, Indians etc. The majority of people in Palestine were Arab because that's there ethnic race. I never could differentiate which of you white skinned people are jew or christian, because those are belief systems. Sometimes I've even been surprised to find white muslims. But that's the thing. You think being Arab means you can't be from that land? Most likely the Arabs (Palestinians) who were dispossessed from Palestine were descendants of the original Jews and others from that time period who just converted to Islam.
then by your argument: White people should be excommunicated from the Americas and return it to the natives. As well as other white people that are the descendants of colonizers in their currently occupied land (Australia, Hawaii, Africa, etc)
By your argument, these white people should return these lands to the natives because they were there first and these colonizers stole these lands from them
pour avoir la paix il faut que les israeliens et les palestiniens aient les memes droits
ce qui n'est pas le cas
etat naions juives pour les juifs seuls eux ont le droit a l'autodetermination
donc Apartheid
Why not mention the nakba. How they terrorised the Palestinians to leave their land
Israel will be a One state, Israel will be a Jewish state.
Nice joke . #BDS ✌🇵🇸