I have this bike. I was originally looking at an X model for a slightly more relaxed position coming from a Trek Madone. Aesthetically I couldn’t get past the extra gusset supports between the seat tube and seatstays on the X. So I did some homework on the geometry and figured out this bike has a pretty wide range of stack and reach adjustability due to the availability of stem and spacer options. With a zero offset seatpost, a couple of added headset spacers, a slightly shorter stem, and a Ritchey WCS Ergomax handlebar, I got it dialed in exactly how I wanted without sacrificing handling or mechanically incorrect rider position. Awesome bike and I love everything about it.
Great review, you’re spot on regarding the “smooth” and “robust” ride quality. I got an F5 on sale for $4k recently. I upgraded the crankset, the cassette and the chain to Dura-Ace / XTR to shave rotational weight. Ended up costing about $5200, which considering the F7 cost $8k for an Ultegra build that’s was a heck of a deal. I put a hot 60mm aero wheelset on it with Pirelli P-Zeros - and shaved an additional pound of rotational weight. Swapped out the aluminum stem/bars for an 1-piece integrated carbon one. That took off almost another .5lb It’s still one of the heaviest road bikes I’ve owned (it’s just under 17lbs). But it rides like a dream, and is stunningly beautiful. Pinarello frames are works of art.
I have a size 56. Stock weight was 20.8lbs. I upgraded the groupset to full Dura Ace and swapped out the boat anchor wheels for a set of Elite Drives. It’s now 17.5lbs with pedals. I also put a heavier saddle on (Selle SMP Drakon) because I was willing to sacrifice a little weight for the comfort that saddle offers.
as a younger man (living and riding in Vancouver) i had a red Pinarello (so long ago i don't 'what' Pinarello exactly.. not the top end), and i would love to have one again.. it would be nostalgia reasons, and the legacy (as you mention).. but also because it is sooo unique looking. as you also said, very recognisable, as a Pinarello..
I have an identical f5 which I bought off the back of a bike fit. It was one of the only if not the only bike that would fit my position. I was totally aware that I was probably paying 1k for just the name alone but that was worth it for something that fits well. The huge array of sizing is a massive selling point, a bike fitters dream compared to other frames. It’s a shame the wheels it comes with are heavy especially for the money. The over all weight of the bike is not the lightest, my 465 is around the 9kg mark with pedals, cages, wahoo and speed sensor. The wheels could easily shave 500g off as well as lighter tyres and tubes. Other than that it’s super fast and very comfortable for me. I think the X range will suit far more people who can’t quite stretch to the racy fit of the f range. I like how the geometry of the f5 is almost identical to the dogma f. Over all the bike fit was the selling point for me. Having ridden bikes that haven’t been right for a few years before, this is revolutionary
Good bike fitters don't care about having frames in 1cm increments. We have 40-150mm stems that come in 0 to -17 degree stems that can be flipped both ways without making a bike look weird. It's much nicer having Treks h1, h1.5 and h2 headtube lengths. It's unfortunate they're not offered at every price point though.
@jameshancock18 I've done thousands of bike fits. 1cm gaps between sizes isn't remotely necessary. That said, Pinarello's QC is abhorrent for the price people pay for them🤡
@jameshancock18 I don't know anyone with money buying expensive stuff that likes bad quality control. From out of round BBs, crooked brake mounts, paint drips keeping a derailleur hanger from laying perfectly flat etc, but to each their own🙃 I've sold bikes from a lot of brands and typically run the warranties in the shops I've worked at. I can honestly say that Pinarello's QC is quantifiably worse than Fujis. I've never sent a mid-range or high end Fuji back upon unboxing. I've sent 6 Pinarellos back immediately after trying to build them. And I've sold at least 50x as many Fujis as Pinarello's. I've had to destroy a few aluminum Fujis after they told me not to ship them back. They just sent us replacements.
I have it I got it on eBay brand new for $4k 🎉, honestly I wasn’t thinking in getting the bike I bid it and I won’t it $2000 less and came with carbon most wheels 🎉, I put a carbon seat and the most talon ultra bars and honestly I shaved so much weight. This bike feels super comfortable and super fast I can’t complain for what I paid for it
That same pinarello is on sale for $3,900 (new). Maybe worth it at that price and change out the wheels for some carbon wheels to get the weight down. I wouldn't pay $6,000, Canyon is a much better deal, but for $3,900, I'm thinking about it.
Nobody buys a Pinarello for the price, that’s actually not the aim of the brand, it’s a luxury brand and not a value brand like Canyon, Ribble, Decathlon etc. The wheels are a bummer as always, but most people who buy bikes at that price level will buy (or already own) good carbon wheels anyway, and Fulcrum make decent winter wheels. Same goes with the tires, people will upgrade to their favourite rubber anyway. The screw in the saddle clamp could be swapped with a variant that is screwable from the side, my older Pinarello clamp has such a variety installed from factory. It’s a small hassle though to get that thing.
Fulcrum has always been behind the times with narrow rims which makes them worse for the winter than summer. *People definitely buy Pinarello for the name. And it's really only a luxury brand in terms of price. Their QC and finishing is terrible relative to price. While I've never liked them and they're not advancing bike technology, at least overpriced Colnagos are built and painted well
Most bikes are shipped to the shops unassembled. A responsible shop will recommend a bike fit before you order the bike to ensure that it's the correct size, and can make the adjustments before you take delivery of it. Especially for a bike of this caliber with Di2 components, Pinarello's also tend to run a tad bigger than other brands too.
The Fulcrum wheelset is stiff and heavy (+/- 2000 g), as is the P7 Sport 28x700c (+/- 2 x 350 g). You need to switch to a tubeless carbon wheelset in combination with new tires, e.g. Continental Grand Prix TT 25, to get the full potential and performance. You will also lose also at least +/- 800 g.
In larger sizes, pay attention to lateral stiffness when testing. Mine shows some wobble at the top tube/head tube, and could be stiffer. Also, because of the weight, acceleration isn't super great and climbing is affected. The wheels, for a &6k bike, are a bad joke. And all that for $6000 plus tax, which leaves me disappointed in mine.
Yes its too much money for the spec. That being said, i dont care. Its freakn beautiful. Pinarello is KILLING it right now. The Fs, the X, and of course the Gravel. The gravel in the champagne colorway, may be the most beautiful production bike ive ever seen. And its WAY more functional than the F. I will have one before i die. You got any?
@danielsanta6994 very poor quality control relative to price. Possibly the worst in the industry. Even bargain brands like Fuji have fairly good quality control. Pinarello is definitely below average but significantly more expensive than average.
@@mightymikeb23 i think aliexpress in general is very hit and miss. but theres certain companies that are good like seraph. my opinion on ones that replicate cervelos and treks are garbage, nothing lines up, always a gap in the headsets etc
@@JwallzMTB honestly looking at a Dogma frame, the paint jobs look good, the price almost too good to be true. Considering their frames are made in Taiwan anyways I'm considering throwing a dart seeing if I get hit!
Why would anyone spend more than $500 for a bucycle, When you get hit by a car and they take off you are out all that money. When it gets stolen there you go.
If u ride a bike for maybe a mile or 2 and thats all ur going to ride $500 is fine. But if u do 30~100mile ride good luck. Its almost same as ur saying why do u need $40k car when u can get a car for $16k? (Although i do think price is high for a bike)
@@quantumdecoherence1289They've definitely had carbon bikes under $3000 before the pandemic. Their cheapest carbon bike is under $4000 now. That said, there's absolutely nothing special about them and their quality control in their overseas factories isn't very good.
I have this bike. I was originally looking at an X model for a slightly more relaxed position coming from a Trek Madone. Aesthetically I couldn’t get past the extra gusset supports between the seat tube and seatstays on the X. So I did some homework on the geometry and figured out this bike has a pretty wide range of stack and reach adjustability due to the availability of stem and spacer options. With a zero offset seatpost, a couple of added headset spacers, a slightly shorter stem, and a Ritchey WCS Ergomax handlebar, I got it dialed in exactly how I wanted without sacrificing handling or mechanically incorrect rider position. Awesome bike and I love everything about it.
Best pinarello breakdown I’ve ever seen. Thank you sir
Great review, you’re spot on regarding the “smooth” and “robust” ride quality.
I got an F5 on sale for $4k recently. I upgraded the crankset, the cassette and the chain to Dura-Ace / XTR to shave rotational weight. Ended up costing about $5200, which considering the F7 cost $8k for an Ultegra build that’s was a heck of a deal.
I put a hot 60mm aero wheelset on it with Pirelli P-Zeros - and shaved an additional pound of rotational weight.
Swapped out the aluminum stem/bars for an 1-piece integrated carbon one. That took off almost another .5lb
It’s still one of the heaviest road bikes I’ve owned (it’s just under 17lbs). But it rides like a dream, and is stunningly beautiful.
Pinarello frames are works of art.
Damn what size do you have? Mine should come out to 15 pounds with pedals
@@kimwarner6050
I have a 54.
The bike is ~19lbs stock
@@joelcolletti332 How tall are you? I'm between a 54.5 and 56.
@@davidg2731 I'm 5'8 and bought at 54cm
I have a size 56. Stock weight was 20.8lbs. I upgraded the groupset to full Dura Ace and swapped out the boat anchor wheels for a set of Elite Drives. It’s now 17.5lbs with pedals. I also put a heavier saddle on (Selle SMP Drakon) because I was willing to sacrifice a little weight for the comfort that saddle offers.
as a younger man (living and riding in Vancouver) i had a red Pinarello (so long ago i don't 'what' Pinarello exactly.. not the top end), and i would love to have one again.. it would be nostalgia reasons, and the legacy (as you mention).. but also because it is sooo unique looking. as you also said, very recognisable, as a Pinarello..
They don't make them how they used to. Their quality control is terrible for the price you're paying.
i saw a blue one in the shop today, i think i fell in love with the looks. yes im shallow
I have an identical f5 which I bought off the back of a bike fit. It was one of the only if not the only bike that would fit my position. I was totally aware that I was probably paying 1k for just the name alone but that was worth it for something that fits well. The huge array of sizing is a massive selling point, a bike fitters dream compared to other frames. It’s a shame the wheels it comes with are heavy especially for the money. The over all weight of the bike is not the lightest, my 465 is around the 9kg mark with pedals, cages, wahoo and speed sensor. The wheels could easily shave 500g off as well as lighter tyres and tubes. Other than that it’s super fast and very comfortable for me.
I think the X range will suit far more people who can’t quite stretch to the racy fit of the f range. I like how the geometry of the f5 is almost identical to the dogma f.
Over all the bike fit was the selling point for me. Having ridden bikes that haven’t been right for a few years before, this is revolutionary
Good bike fitters don't care about having frames in 1cm increments. We have 40-150mm stems that come in 0 to -17 degree stems that can be flipped both ways without making a bike look weird. It's much nicer having Treks h1, h1.5 and h2 headtube lengths. It's unfortunate they're not offered at every price point though.
@@veganpotterthevegan it helps having 1cm increments, treks are far too long for me to ride unfortunately. Pinarello is a bike fitters dream
@jameshancock18 I've done thousands of bike fits. 1cm gaps between sizes isn't remotely necessary. That said, Pinarello's QC is abhorrent for the price people pay for them🤡
@@veganpotterthevegan each to their own
@jameshancock18 I don't know anyone with money buying expensive stuff that likes bad quality control. From out of round BBs, crooked brake mounts, paint drips keeping a derailleur hanger from laying perfectly flat etc, but to each their own🙃 I've sold bikes from a lot of brands and typically run the warranties in the shops I've worked at. I can honestly say that Pinarello's QC is quantifiably worse than Fujis. I've never sent a mid-range or high end Fuji back upon unboxing. I've sent 6 Pinarellos back immediately after trying to build them. And I've sold at least 50x as many Fujis as Pinarello's. I've had to destroy a few aluminum Fujis after they told me not to ship them back. They just sent us replacements.
Great review and Bike
I have it I got it on eBay brand new for $4k 🎉, honestly I wasn’t thinking in getting the bike I bid it and I won’t it $2000 less and came with carbon most wheels 🎉, I put a carbon seat and the most talon ultra bars and honestly I shaved so much weight.
This bike feels super comfortable and super fast I can’t complain for what I paid for it
Would to know weight of your pinarello? 🙏thnks😊
@@coffeentrain1044 mine weighs 16.7 lbs who’s is very good
@@coffeentrain1044right now the bike weighs 17.8 lbs with the upgrades I did and honestly for the money I paid I’m more than happy either way the bike
That same pinarello is on sale for $3,900 (new). Maybe worth it at that price and change out the wheels for some carbon wheels to get the weight down. I wouldn't pay $6,000, Canyon is a much better deal, but for $3,900, I'm thinking about it.
Nobody buys a Pinarello for the price, that’s actually not the aim of the brand, it’s a luxury brand and not a value brand like Canyon, Ribble, Decathlon etc.
The wheels are a bummer as always, but most people who buy bikes at that price level will buy (or already own) good carbon wheels anyway, and Fulcrum make decent winter wheels. Same goes with the tires, people will upgrade to their favourite rubber anyway.
The screw in the saddle clamp could be swapped with a variant that is screwable from the side, my older Pinarello clamp has such a variety installed from factory. It’s a small hassle though to get that thing.
Fulcrum has always been behind the times with narrow rims which makes them worse for the winter than summer. *People definitely buy Pinarello for the name. And it's really only a luxury brand in terms of price. Their QC and finishing is terrible relative to price. While I've never liked them and they're not advancing bike technology, at least overpriced Colnagos are built and painted well
On sale now for 2999.00
I want one ! . I just looked at one new for 4,300. But id really like to ride it first😊
my Gan still kick ass !
Love it. How much is the F9 and is there really a difference in the ride quality between the F9 and Dogma
Doesn't F series replace Prince? They've got X lineup that supposedly replaces Paris!
A videoban szereplő kerekpar mekkora méretű? És a személy mekkora magasságú ?
Does this bike arrive in the box pre installed or do I have to put it together piece by piece, thanks
Most bikes are shipped to the shops unassembled. A responsible shop will recommend a bike fit before you order the bike to ensure that it's the correct size, and can make the adjustments before you take delivery of it. Especially for a bike of this caliber with Di2 components, Pinarello's also tend to run a tad bigger than other brands too.
AGR is another one I can get an agr with stram axis for 4500 with carbon wheels
Or a Stradalli frame for 700 and get di2 and the bike will be under 3k
How tall are you and what size is your bike?
The Fulcrum wheelset is stiff and heavy (+/- 2000 g), as is the P7 Sport 28x700c (+/- 2 x 350 g). You need to switch to a tubeless carbon wheelset in combination with new tires, e.g. Continental Grand Prix TT 25, to get the full potential and performance. You will also lose also at least +/- 800 g.
Love the style but not the price, chose a Chinarello as pictured and built for $2500.
Just purchased mine at Excel Sports for $3100.
In larger sizes, pay attention to lateral stiffness when testing. Mine shows some wobble at the top tube/head tube, and could be stiffer. Also, because of the weight, acceleration isn't super great and climbing is affected. The wheels, for a &6k bike, are a bad joke. And all that for $6000 plus tax, which leaves me disappointed in mine.
Yes its too much money for the spec. That being said, i dont care. Its freakn beautiful. Pinarello is KILLING it right now. The Fs, the X, and of course the Gravel. The gravel in the champagne colorway, may be the most beautiful production bike ive ever seen. And its WAY more functional than the F. I will have one before i die. You got any?
I was going to buy one but they come with trash wheels
Sold Pinarellos for years and never had any interest in owning one.
Makes sense... You're vegan
@@V1ctwrAr1stos Pinarellos aren't vegan?
@@V1ctwrAr1stos do only non-vegans like bad quality control at a premium price?🤡
Why is that?
@danielsanta6994 very poor quality control relative to price. Possibly the worst in the industry. Even bargain brands like Fuji have fairly good quality control. Pinarello is definitely below average but significantly more expensive than average.
Calling this "affordable" is more than a stretch.
Just a name in a sea of carbon frames,nothing special,wont make u racer overnight.
It looks sick though
A frame instantly makes you a racer???
Affordable? Dude, what are you smoking? And at that price? That build is a bad joke. The wheel set and tires are useless. And it weighs almost 20 lbs.
Well, it is affordable, is no the >$10k version. And he mention multiple times in the video is the entry level.....
Great review... Too much 👎
tf that mean
even at 6k i can build 3 chinese super bikes lol
Question, what are your thoughts on the Pin replica frames like on Ali Express?
@@mightymikeb23 i think aliexpress in general is very hit and miss. but theres certain companies that are good like seraph. my opinion on ones that replicate cervelos and treks are garbage, nothing lines up, always a gap in the headsets etc
@@JwallzMTB honestly looking at a Dogma frame, the paint jobs look good, the price almost too good to be true. Considering their frames are made in Taiwan anyways I'm considering throwing a dart seeing if I get hit!
my next buy is a dogma or BMC replica lol, pls let me know how it comes out@@mightymikeb23
Так иди и строй. Катайся сразу на трёх😂
Why would anyone spend more than $500 for a bucycle, When you get hit by a car and they take off you are out all that money. When it gets stolen there you go.
If you just expect to get hit, you probably shouldn't be riding any bike at all.
@@veganpotterthevegan That is nonsensical.
If u ride a bike for maybe a mile or 2 and thats all ur going to ride $500 is fine. But if u do 30~100mile ride good luck. Its almost same as ur saying why do u need $40k car when u can get a car for $16k? (Although i do think price is high for a bike)
@@5818fa1 not even a fraction of how nonsensical your comment was
@@veganpotterthevegan you need to get help for your mental health or drug problems.
I'll consider if its less than $3500....
lol, keep dreaming . For a Pinarello? nope
@@quantumdecoherence1289They've definitely had carbon bikes under $3000 before the pandemic. Their cheapest carbon bike is under $4000 now. That said, there's absolutely nothing special about them and their quality control in their overseas factories isn't very good.
You can get a used Dogma F8 in pristine condition for 3500 dollars
You can find them for sale at $4500 now