For me it is Carnival. Few Imp differences left out, The side blinkers show the cameras in the dashboard, Have better HDA System, Second row removable (which you can't do in Sienna), The Tailgate doesn't have protection in sienna (so if somebody hits, the rare door would not open, The 3rd row doesn't stay in place down according to siennachat forums, Dated infotainment, Glorified Hubcaps, not alloys) on top of this 10K difference (1yr wait + 6 months wait for the 2nd Key fob) on the MSRP without even adding the Dealer markups where carnival and available everywhere now. this is even without counting the interest cost on that 10k or the port installed options which are very low cost, for lot of price. Both have Dual injection engines which eliminate the carbon buildup. For Uber or MPG focused only, then Definitely Sienna, for all others Carnival. As the fuel saving would not break even after 10yrs also. I love Toyota but in this case, Would go for Carnival.
Toyota Sienna is much better than Kia Carnival! Always because Honda Odyssey is #2 and Kia Varnival is # 3! Toyota rules all an is biggest world automobile company 👍
For sure. I have a Kia now and have been pretty loyal to Kia, but my next buy is a Sienna. I want a van and I want AWD. I would already have a Carnival but... no AWD.
I'm figuring for me it makes little or no difference cost wise which one I buy. For the miles I drive in a year its going to cost me $500 a year more for gasoline in the Carnival. So with a $7000 difference in the price it will take 14 years to break even. In 14 years I'll be 90 years old. Chances are if I'm still alive, I won't be driving at that age and/or driving a lot less. I am assuming that both vehicles will last that long. Depreciation won't mean much to me then if I'm still here. As far as AWD goes, I don't need it because being retired I don't have to go anywhere when it snows. Besides the supermarket is only one mile from home. I don't see a problem. No AWD one less thing to maintain or repair. The weight of that V6 engine over the drive wheels should provide all the traction you need with Michelin Cross Climate tires. Carnival is the winner in my book. My only concern is reliability long term.
I agree 💯 But honestly how many miles will you put on it by the time you hang up the keys? Not enough for any new vehicle to become “unreliable.” I imagine you’re not driving the standard 12k miles a year assuming you’re retired and just occasionally running errands. For you I would recommend driving them both and buy whichever you prefer. I think it will make no difference financially, depreciating, reliability, etc.
Have owned five minivans including 2015 and 2020 Siennas. And recently just bought a 2023 Sienna Platinum. I have to say Sienna is the best minivan and 2023 Sienna hybrid is the best of the best! Have owned many Toyota cars, SUVs, and minivans. They never give me any hard time!
you put sliding doors to the Ford Flex, and boom you have the Kia Carnival. If I go for fuel economy, long term and reliability, the Sienna (my pick). But if I want the nice features and cool factor, the Carnival.
I own the Carnival SX in Flare Red. Your vehicle is interesting because it doesn't have the "dentist chairs" as I call them, which are standard on the SX Prestige. Those and the sunroof(s) are the main differences between SX and SXP. There are some other minor differences like heated steering wheel is only on SXP and full LED headlamps. Mine is a 2022 with 47k miles on it. It has been a great vehicle. I get closer to 30 MPG on the road. It has great "get up and go" whereas the Sienna barely gets out of its own way. Finally, you didn't mention the KIA warranty...5 yr 60k bumper to bumper and 10 yr 100k powertrain. Toyota doesn't come close to that.
My dad has the '22 LX w/10k miles with the seat package and was thinking about buying it from him. Have you had anything go wrong that needed attention?..
In my perspective comparing top trims: Sienna Cons: Outdated multimedia, Minivan look, Dealer markups, Single sunroof, 7 passenger seating? Sienna Pros: More cup holders, Reliability Carnival Cons: Reliability, Less cupholders Carnival pros: Modern tech, Boxier look V6 engine, dual sunroof, 8 seater top trim
This vid has to be one of the best "reviews". Showed me everything I would want to see in a review video. I was at post office yesterday, and there was a '24 Carnival in parking lot. Owner of vehicle was outside of it. I asked to see inside. He opened back end, and the cargo area was impressive. For that & technology, I would go with Carnival.
Carnival. Almost half again more cargo volume are you kidding ha that’s embarrassing for the sienna sorry. Traditional V6 and automatic vs hybrid and cvt. A warranty almost twice as long. 10 less miles per gallon but considering it’s over 10k less expensive, you will never make that money back in fuel savings in the sienna. Also Toyota really got lazy in the fact their infotainment screens are just slapped on the dash. This is coming from a 21 Corolla owner.
About $1400 per year savings in gas according to carmax’s fuel savings calculator. So after about 7 years assuming no increase in gas prices you’d make 10k back.
I rented a Carnival and in Reality it get excellent gas mileage on the highway it easily got 30 mpg or 7.8L/100K and if i drove gingerly and relaxed i got it down to 34 mpg that's 6.9L/100K which was surprising but that power is nice for a van that size it's quick 😅 and at higher speeds with family with a heavier foot it hauls.. i think u'll have a bigger penalty with the hybrid as the speed and weight goes up plus they don't like to be driven aggressive for long..
@@MikeDIYin the real world the carnival gets good gas mileage for a van u'll easily get 29 to 30 mpg on the highway and driving very conservatively even up to 34 mpg.. plus the V6 on the highway pulls effortless especially if u start loading people
Kia Carnival all the way. I have the Kia optima sx 2011 and it’s got over 150k and still running perfectly fine. Kia’s quality has gone way better. Plus their design is one of the sexiest designs.
I had a Kia seltos and loved it but everyone kept trying to run into me I guess because they couldn’t see me and then one day a lady changed lanes right into me and dented my bumper…so I decided I needed a bigger vehicle…and bought a Ford Explorer ST and I go car camping but now thinking I’d like to full time live in my vehicle and a van like vehicle would be a better vehicle of choice…I like the Kia as it has nice lines and the Toyota I’m not crazy about the lines…it looks old…and I might need get up and go from time to time…and front wheel drive is excellent since I lived in Alaska for 16 years and always had a front wheel drive which got me through snow easily. The gas mileage with the Toyota is excellent. ..but I don’t like the front grille look it reminds me of the old surfer wagons..the Kia hands down is a smart looking rig. SOLD!
Carnival for just an overall minivan. Looks better, it’s nicer, has cooler tech and features, a lot more space, and the biggest cargo area behind the 3rd row, the latter of which the sienna used to offer but now it doesn’t.
I would like to see more videos on the proof that all-wheel drive is" huge ". I'm sure it helps in certain situations. One video I watched made a point that should you really be out in a bad snowstorm with your family? Does all-wheel drive only help you if you were stuck in the snow or does it help on ice? Since all-wheel drive vehicles will use more gas than front wheel drive? For the majority of time you are out. Are you benefiting from the all-wheel drive? Well I would like a vehicle that has it? In my shopping for a larger vehicle, I'm still on the fence as to if it's helpful in some situations or helpful in all situations compared to just front wheel drive with some traction control features? I've seen 4x4s in ditches so I don't know if it's a be-all end-all. I would like to see you more tests side by side with the same vehicle and same ride height on the same roads to really know how much better or-wheel drive is. There must be a reason Kia has held back putting it in when they have the systems in their other cars. The rumor is 2025 models. May offer at least all-wheel drive if not hybrid.
I've driven a Sienna for the past 13 years so that was my first choice. Then, the pricing / availability realities hit. I live in a huge metropolitan area, yet there are only 3 Siennas available with a starting MSRP under $50,000. That means buyers have little leverage since someone else is waiting in the wings. I bought my Kia Carnival EX for just under $41,000 and the only add-ons were the premium paint color, floor mats & wheel locks. No market adjustments or forced "appearance / VIP" packages. I'm now a low-mileage driver living in the south so AWD and hybrid fuel savings aren't worth a large premium for me as they might be for others. Hopefully, I've made the right decision, but only time will tell.
Did you forget about Toyota's $5k up charge? $52k vehicle became nearly $60k. I didn't want to burn 5k for some kind of little coating here and there. Now I'm looking into getting another vehicle.
It’s not from the manufacturer. Each dealership is allowed to sell every vehicle for whatever they want and add whatever extras they think customers will buy. Just stick with a dealer that doesn’t do that and you can buy whatever you wish.
Hybrid comes with a price. Power. Sorry. For this size of a vehicle, I want adequate power. Sienna doesn't compare to the Carnival. The Sienna has dated technology. Look at the infotainment. It looks like it's from 2015. And you put it in reverse and look at the graphics. It looks like it's from 2010. Sienna has the AWD which is nice, but not necessary. I put snow tires on mine and it works so much better. Plus it'll stop better than the Sienna. Minivans are about comfort and storage. Tech is also big but not important to all. For me, the Carnival checks all the boxes. I"m paying $50K, I can afford the gas. What I can't afford is a lack of power when I need it.
Well, The Carnival does look tempting, but the fact is I have a 2002 Toyota Sienna that I still drive every day. I have never had another car come close to that. So, for me it's The Toyota Sienna.
Honest question for everyone. What’s important to you? Resale, reliability, gas mpg, AWD. I think you know where I’m going. Toyota 100 percent. The build quality also is top notch.
Yeah but at what price? The Sienna is more expensive to begin with and then add on the dealer markups of $6-7k in my area, plus you can’t get one for at least 6 months. On the used market the Siennas I’m seeing look very beat up and the cheap plasticy feel of the interior really shows at 40k miles. It would take 7-10 years to recoup the extra cost of a Sienna vs a Carnival. Carnival interiors are really a world apart from the Sienna or Odyssey. Kia’s Highway Driving Assist is excellent and makes a big difference in daily, rush hour, freeway traffic or long commutes. The Carnival has a quieter cabin as well and performs better when fully loaded especially on any type of graded roads like driving in the mountains. The value proposition goes to the Carnival. Crazy because the Sienna MPG was supposed to make it the value proposition. But that’s not how it pans out in reality with it being so much more expensive. I also hate the Prius Prime look of the Sienna…truly awful. I would go with a Carnival or a Honda Pilot. The Oddysey is even more of an abomination in the looks dept than the Sienna. So much so that my wife refuses for us to get the Odyssey based on the looks alone. Honda needs a refresh.
@@JonMoralesLA I see you’re in LA? That explains the chaos with the markups. I paid $2500 markup January 22. But got 3k more for my trade in that I brought exactly a year before. So it was a wash.
I wish they could combine their advantages. Both have great things and some flaws. The Carnival has a better interior layout for a family hauler with removable middle seats and three across in the second row. It also has better tech. Toyota has a much more efficient powertrain and will probably be more reliable. Sadly the Toyota has a really long wait list.
Its crazy how hard it is to find a Sienna. Wife told me she was finally ready to give up her sedan and buy a minivan we decided it would either be the Odyssey Elite or the Sienna Limited (don't like the brown interior)... So i started looking for a Sienna to go see and it seems impossible to find one to look at. I don't really want to spend $55,000 without even seeing one first
Another video said sienna you can't take the seat out due to airbag and other power features. Not that you can't take it out but that then you have to do a lot more work. If you want to remove the rails and fool the airbag sensor. With the carnival. Supposedly you can't remove the seats on the EX model for similar reasons. But the lower trim levels of the carnival can easily remove and replace seats. If the Kia was better stocked in the US I would definitely go with that. Yes, Toyota has reliability and testing as the carnival only came to the US in 2022. However, the Kia warranty is good and the starting price is less. 2025 may have some large changes for Kia of what they're offering so if you can hang on maybe it would even be a better value. It's hard to say if they will have to do the same thing. Other vehicles have done when they go hybrid and shrink the cargo space down. For example, the Chrysler Pacifica is great with their stow in the floor seats. But if you go hybrid you can't store the second row because they put the battery underneath that section. They have the second largest cargo with seats folded or removed to the Kia carnival, but they're pricing is high compared to their reliability score. Probably not fair to compare the carnival until people have used it long enough to know about reliability. For the person who mentioned that Kia has had issues with fires, not with the carnival. As far as I know. You can't base one vehicles defects on the entire brand.
@@dman7668 AWD has been hyped by manufacturers to make money. If you have front wheel drive and good winter tires, that vehicle will take you just about anywhere you want to go.
We are retired so we don't have to go anywhere when the weather is bad. FWD cost less to buy and less for maintenance so we prefer it. Besides with good tires and the weight of that V6 engine over the drive wheels there should be plenty of traction for getting around in the average snow storm.
@stevensevek6151 Exactly, I say the same thing go folks awd is not the end all be all. What you drive your vehicle on is more important under bad winter conditions.
Sienna for me 100%. I need that AWD here in the northeast. Plus, I do roughly 25-30k miles a year…that 36mpg helps. I’ve owned many Toyotas and it never disappoints. Kia might be good for the short term owners or low mileage drivers.
I'm still curious about whether all-wheel drive is as effective as people claim. My gut is to go with a vehicle that has all-wheel drive but I've always had a front-wheel drive with good snow tires and traction control. It's very hard to find videos of people testing minivans in the snow comparing front wheel versus all-wheel drive. One person pointed out that should you really be out with your family, if the roads are that bad? You could have a 4x4 vehicle and still slide on the ice right?
For me, it’s more about getting my car out of a pile of snow when it’s been parked on the street or just getting out of my driveway. My neighborhood is always the last street to be plowed by the township. When it’s really bad, it could take a couple of days. In order for me to get to the main roads, i would need to drive about a mile. Yes, 4WD can still slide on ice. I’ve encountered many times where it’s harder to get out of a rut with only front wheel drive car. With a 4WD…I just plow right out. Nothing more than 6” of snow of course. Sometimes you just have to go to work during bad weather (not with the family).
u'll see a greater difference in economy in the city between the two on the highway especially if u drive at a higher speeds economy is going to be alot closer between the two.. i happen seen alot of high high mileage Carnivals but the older Sedona quite a few and they seem to be holding up well
The Kia gives you a van with an SUV appearance with a lot of space and features like the double sun roof system and the camera to watch your baby or kids at the back in real time and power too. For that reason the Kia is my top pick. Not impressed with just front wheel drive, but can manage for the next 3 years till all wheel and possibly hybrid features are added to it in the subsequent models.
I saw another review of Sienna…a 2023…that revealed the wheels are chromed plastic. Doesn’t sound durable, at all. Also, there is essentially no back bumper on the Sienna, so back door more likely to be damaged.
I actually prefer the plastic hub cabs versus aluminum rims. My g/f has an ‘18 Rav 4 with the steel wheels and plastic hub cabs. It’s actually the best of both because the steel is very durable and easy to mount / dismount new tires without cosmetic damage. Here in NY the salt eats everything after a few years. It’s far cheaper and easier to replace just the plastic hub cabs when they get curbed or nasty looking.
As far as the back bumper pretty much any damage / accident nowadays will require an insurance claim. It’s all in order to reduce weight / costs, every freaking thing is brittle plastic underneath
I did a test drive of kia Carnival from 3 dealers, and all sounded different, plus mileage is awful. I terms of looks and option kia wins but in terms of reliability and mileage sienna wins
The Sienna will last forever, but MANNNNN does Toyota lag when it comes to technology. In a couple years, it'll look absolutely ancient. I also don't like that they really haven't done a ton with the body styling over the years. Yeah, there's more swoops on the side, but overall it still reminds me (too much) of the styling on my 2011. I like how Kia is much more aggressive with the technology and features like the dual moon/sun roofs. I feel really loyal to Toyota, because they've never steered me wrong, but I can see myself going to Kia or Hyundai next, just because the Toyota's feel dated. Also, the hybrid drive train kind of scares me. I really like the 'oomf' of the V6 I've got in my 2011, especially compared to our Odyssey, which has no 'oomph'.
The KIA looks more like an SUV, which is great for us moms/grandmas who have held out on buying a minivan because they look like a "mom mobile". Toyota lacks in technology and KIA offers so much more including a better warranty. Next to figure out though is how long do KIAs last? Toyota has always been a powerhouse in longevity.
I agree, and that's why carnival, not the best name. By the way, name their vehicle and MPV not minivan. Multi-purpose vehicle is getting us back to where we need to be. And this reviewer keeps using the word boxy as a negative. That's a plus in my book. I'm looking for a vehicle to expand my balloon show but I'm not ready to do a transit van as I only want one vehicle. But I didn't want a soccer mom car because I won't be home hauling people and be taking the seats out. So this kind of rules out the sienna. Well, people have removed the seats and emulated the airbag. There's a whole process, especially if you're going to remove the rails. So if I did want to take people along it would be a pain to put the seats back in. I'd rather have Kia do something like the stow in the floor seats of the Pacifica but if I have to take seats out I would still go with the carnival as one would get 145 cubic feet and the sienna he shows. Seems like it loses headroom with the lower curved back and everything I've read is you don't gain 50 cubic feet of space Even if you do removethe seats. The next closest vehicle in cargo capacity is the Pacifica and the seats don't have to be hauled around. But the price of that vehicle is higher which is odd considering the reliability ratings are impressive and a lower factory warranty. So even Pacifica used seems higher priced than buying a carnival new. However, there is an issue of Kia supply in the Northeast in December 2023 which is making my decision harder or maybe some would say easier. But I definitely think the sienna looks like a soccer mom mobile and it's a shame that they shrunk it down after 2020.
I think Kia has better wheels. Tbh, I think I'd wait until either auto maker offers an all electric model which I keep hearing is coming from Kia. I do think the sienna has a nicer interior though.
@@MarkM58 Oi. It’s subjective. I’ve gone back and watched this review/read others and my opinion still stands. If you don’t like my opinion, that’s fine.
I'm not sure what Toyota was thinking with the black "handle bar mustache" elements down the back side of many of their vehicles. I wish they had made it body color.
Toyota look nice but I think the winner is Kia for the price, warranty and features. The only thing I hate about Toyota is going to dealership. Whatever the MSRP I searched online is way different than what they put on car window.
at most your saving 1000 bucks a year in gas, more like 500-600 bucks. with those rates it would take 8 to 15 years to break even. Of course if you are driving 30k plus a year a sienna will make sense, but the dealer mark up on siennas are around 3 to 4k, so that pushes the break even point out farther@@RustyZipper
@@scotthall1381 - I just picked up an allocation for a LE on Tue, paying MSRP. I asked the nice sales lady three times and she confirmed that there was no additional fees besides the ones already built into the deal. The price to build online is the price I will be paying “allegedly” plus tax. We shall see in about 6 weeks. I have a Vin # and a deposit down. I have an ‘11 Elantra that I bought brand new and it’s been a good car as long as the engine doesn’t blow up or it gets stolen. Otherwise I’d keep it. I will never purchase another Kia / Hyundai product again. You also have to factor in the price of fuel. Right now here in way upstate NY it’s at $2.87, which is the lowest I’ve seen in years but this summer was at $3.99 the whole time. I’ll never justify the extra cost because I don’t drive beyond average. But I don’t need to Justify, I’m 42 years old and completely debt free. I plan on keeping it 10 years+ 🤷♂️ The new Car (van) will be paid in full upon arrival. I’m Not paying 7.5% + interest like most folks nowadays either.
I have a FWD Van my drive is 65 feet long with a 5 to 7% grade and I'm living Western Canada 4300 feet above sea level winter starts early and ends late my vehicle goes up the driveway fine with dedicated winter tyres AWD would be nice but out on the road at higher speeds in a winter wonderland it wouldn't make a difference between the Carnival and the Sienna..
For a real long term review, we have a 2015 SXL with all options. With over 140k miles, the engine does not burn or leak a drop of oil. The van still has plenty of pickup and although the paint is looking dull and marked from all the road time, when cleaned up, it still looks great. No rips, tears, cracks or ugliness inside the cabin at all. Toyota would have to make are real big play to get me over to the Sienna.
Check the real world mpg on UA-cam. The carnival gets 2 more mpg than estimated, but the sienna gets 3mpg less than estimated. Rest assured about the hybrid, the battery will die in 15 years, and the car lacks power.
Who would buy a mini van with a 2.5L 4 cylinders? Good luck driving on a uphill with full passengers and full load of equipments. Too much stress on the engine.
Kia is cool for the first 3-5 years, after that your screwed. Im aware of their 10 year warranty but the inconvenience and wasted time of getting is fixed will really suck.
The carnival looks way better but they need a 4 cylinder with better gas mileage. I could pick up chiks in the carnival the Toyota chiks will be looking for the car seats. Also with all that chrome on the carnival why wouldn't they make the rims chrome?
Kia vs toyota? Is this even a question? Sorry there is no comparison. The Toyota will be alive and kicking even after 300k + miles/kms. The Kia will be dead and buried long before that. The question really is limited to the first 100k miles/kms.
You do realize that you’re talking about a mini van right? Ain’t nothing masculine about either of these. You want masculine, you buy a Dodge Ram 3500 Quad Cab, Long bed, Dually with a Cummings. Throw a lift kit, big mud tires and limo tint, now that’s masculine 💪
There are some more factors: 1. Sienna has dealer mark up, that will make me stay away from it. 2. Sienna do not have vehicle anywhere, 6 months waiting, that will make me stay away from it. 3. Sienna AWD is a key for so many people who is living in north. Decision: if I have to buy a mini van, then I will by a used 2015-2019 AWD Toyota sienna. LOL
The KIA got better features and more rugged looks, but the Toyota wins with reliability track record , AWD, and hybrid. If Honda update the odyssey with awd and better mpg, it would take the cake.
For me it is Carnival. Few Imp differences left out, The side blinkers show the cameras in the dashboard, Have better HDA System, Second row removable (which you can't do in Sienna), The Tailgate doesn't have protection in sienna (so if somebody hits, the rare door would not open, The 3rd row doesn't stay in place down according to siennachat forums, Dated infotainment, Glorified Hubcaps, not alloys) on top of this 10K difference (1yr wait + 6 months wait for the 2nd Key fob) on the MSRP without even adding the Dealer markups where carnival and available everywhere now. this is even without counting the interest cost on that 10k or the port installed options which are very low cost, for lot of price. Both have Dual injection engines which eliminate the carbon buildup. For Uber or MPG focused only, then Definitely Sienna, for all others Carnival. As the fuel saving would not break even after 10yrs also. I love Toyota but in this case, Would go for Carnival.
This guy is hilarious. I started laughing when he sang "that is the power of love" with a straight face.
Hi there! Thank you so much hahaha
Toyota Sienna is much better than Kia Carnival! Always because Honda Odyssey is #2 and Kia Varnival is # 3!
Toyota rules all an is biggest world automobile company 👍
The passenger seat control is for the driver to move the seat without having to go to the other side. This is so useful
LMAO, this guy and his singing. Love his reviews, he has fun doing his job!
I want the Carnival with AWD and a hybrid engine.
Kia and Hyundai have 20 year old hybrid technology. And carbon build up in engine. Common issue
For sure. I have a Kia now and have been pretty loyal to Kia, but my next buy is a Sienna. I want a van and I want AWD. I would already have a Carnival but... no AWD.
I'm figuring for me it makes little or no difference cost wise which one I buy. For the miles I drive in a year its going to cost me $500 a year more for gasoline in the Carnival. So with a $7000 difference in the price it will take 14 years to break even. In 14 years I'll be 90 years old. Chances are if I'm still alive, I won't be driving at that age and/or driving a lot less. I am assuming that both vehicles will last that long. Depreciation won't mean much to me then if I'm still here. As far as AWD goes, I don't need it because being retired I don't have to go anywhere when it snows. Besides the supermarket is only one mile from home. I don't see a problem. No AWD one less thing to maintain or repair. The weight of that V6 engine over the drive wheels should provide all the traction you need with Michelin Cross Climate tires.
Carnival is the winner in my book. My only concern is reliability long term.
I agree 💯 But honestly how many miles will you put on it by the time you hang up the keys? Not enough for any new vehicle to become “unreliable.” I imagine you’re not driving the standard 12k miles a year assuming you’re retired and just occasionally running errands. For you I would recommend driving them both and buy whichever you prefer. I think it will make no difference financially, depreciating, reliability, etc.
Have owned five minivans including 2015 and 2020 Siennas. And recently just bought a 2023 Sienna Platinum. I have to say Sienna is the best minivan and 2023 Sienna hybrid is the best of the best! Have owned many Toyota cars, SUVs, and minivans. They never give me any hard time!
you put sliding doors to the Ford Flex, and boom you have the Kia Carnival. If I go for fuel economy, long term and reliability, the Sienna (my pick). But if I want the nice features and cool factor, the Carnival.
I own the Carnival SX in Flare Red. Your vehicle is interesting because it doesn't have the "dentist chairs" as I call them, which are standard on the SX Prestige. Those and the sunroof(s) are the main differences between SX and SXP. There are some other minor differences like heated steering wheel is only on SXP and full LED headlamps.
Mine is a 2022 with 47k miles on it. It has been a great vehicle. I get closer to 30 MPG on the road. It has great "get up and go" whereas the Sienna barely gets out of its own way. Finally, you didn't mention the KIA warranty...5 yr 60k bumper to bumper and 10 yr 100k powertrain. Toyota doesn't come close to that.
My dad has the '22 LX w/10k miles with the seat package and was thinking about buying it from him. Have you had anything go wrong that needed attention?..
@@seatime674 nope
2024 carnival prestige now comes with the reclining seats as an option and has 8 seat capacity standard. That was my biggest complaint.
@@MarkM58 He's gone through 4 or 5 cups of coolant on his '22 in the first 10k miles...Doesn't seem right..
@@seatime674who?
In my perspective comparing top trims:
Sienna Cons:
Outdated multimedia, Minivan look, Dealer markups, Single sunroof, 7 passenger seating?
Sienna Pros:
More cup holders, Reliability
Carnival Cons:
Reliability, Less cupholders
Carnival pros:
Modern tech, Boxier look
V6 engine, dual sunroof, 8 seater top trim
I like the price point of the Kia. The Sienna is great but Kia is a better value overall.
Depends on how long you own it and how much you drive.
@@alexmassengale433 Absolutely. If I were to consider long term ownership the Sienna would be the way to go.
This vid has to be one of the best "reviews". Showed me everything I would want to see in a review video. I was at post office yesterday, and there was a '24 Carnival in parking lot. Owner of vehicle was outside of it. I asked to see inside. He opened back end, and the cargo area was impressive. For that & technology, I would go with Carnival.
Carnival. Almost half again more cargo volume are you kidding ha that’s embarrassing for the sienna sorry. Traditional V6 and automatic vs hybrid and cvt. A warranty almost twice as long. 10 less miles per gallon but considering it’s over 10k less expensive, you will never make that money back in fuel savings in the sienna. Also Toyota really got lazy in the fact their infotainment screens are just slapped on the dash. This is coming from a 21 Corolla owner.
About $1400 per year savings in gas according to carmax’s fuel savings calculator. So after about 7 years assuming no increase in gas prices you’d make 10k back.
I rented a Carnival and in Reality it get excellent gas mileage on the highway it easily got 30 mpg or 7.8L/100K and if i drove gingerly and relaxed i got it down to 34 mpg that's 6.9L/100K which was surprising but that power is nice for a van that size it's quick 😅 and at higher speeds with family with a heavier foot it hauls.. i think u'll have a bigger penalty with the hybrid as the speed and weight goes up plus they don't like to be driven aggressive for long..
@@MikeDIYin the real world the carnival gets good gas mileage for a van u'll easily get 29 to 30 mpg on the highway and driving very conservatively even up to 34 mpg.. plus the V6 on the highway pulls effortless especially if u start loading people
Can’t beat reliability from a Toyota with a much higher resale value
Kia Carnival all the way. I have the Kia optima sx 2011 and it’s got over 150k and still running perfectly fine. Kia’s quality has gone way better. Plus their design is one of the sexiest designs.
I don't drive a kia but I've been trying to tell people this. It's not the same kia and they do make the best looking vehicles on the road .
I had a Kia seltos and loved it but everyone kept trying to run into me I guess because they couldn’t see me and then one day a lady changed lanes right into me and dented my bumper…so I decided I needed a bigger vehicle…and bought a Ford Explorer ST and I go car camping but now thinking I’d like to full time live in my vehicle and a van like vehicle would be a better vehicle of choice…I like the Kia as it has nice lines and the Toyota I’m not crazy about the lines…it looks old…and I might need get up and go from time to time…and front wheel drive is excellent since I lived in Alaska for 16 years and always had a front wheel drive which got me through snow easily. The gas mileage with the Toyota is excellent. ..but I don’t like the front grille look it reminds me of the old surfer wagons..the Kia hands down is a smart looking rig. SOLD!
Carnival for just an overall minivan. Looks better, it’s nicer, has cooler tech and features, a lot more space, and the biggest cargo area behind the 3rd row, the latter of which the sienna used to offer but now it doesn’t.
Thanks for giving your thoughts naveen!
36 mpg goes a long way in making up for some of that and in some climates AWD is huge.
I would like to see more videos on the proof that all-wheel drive is" huge ". I'm sure it helps in certain situations. One video I watched made a point that should you really be out in a bad snowstorm with your family? Does all-wheel drive only help you if you were stuck in the snow or does it help on ice?
Since all-wheel drive vehicles will use more gas than front wheel drive? For the majority of time you are out. Are you benefiting from the all-wheel drive? Well I would like a vehicle that has it? In my shopping for a larger vehicle, I'm still on the fence as to if it's helpful in some situations or helpful in all situations compared to just front wheel drive with some traction control features? I've seen 4x4s in ditches so I don't know if it's a be-all end-all. I would like to see you more tests side by side with the same vehicle and same ride height on the same roads to really know how much better or-wheel drive is. There must be a reason Kia has held back putting it in when they have the systems in their other cars. The rumor is 2025 models. May offer at least all-wheel drive if not hybrid.
I've driven a Sienna for the past 13 years so that was my first choice. Then, the pricing / availability realities hit. I live in a huge metropolitan area, yet there are only 3 Siennas available with a starting MSRP under $50,000. That means buyers have little leverage since someone else is waiting in the wings.
I bought my Kia Carnival EX for just under $41,000 and the only add-ons were the premium paint color, floor mats & wheel locks. No market adjustments or forced "appearance / VIP" packages. I'm now a low-mileage driver living in the south so AWD and hybrid fuel savings aren't worth a large premium for me as they might be for others. Hopefully, I've made the right decision, but only time will tell.
Did you forget about Toyota's $5k up charge?
$52k vehicle became nearly $60k.
I didn't want to burn 5k for some kind of little coating here and there.
Now I'm looking into getting another vehicle.
It’s not from the manufacturer. Each dealership is allowed to sell every vehicle for whatever they want and add whatever extras they think customers will buy. Just stick with a dealer that doesn’t do that and you can buy whatever you wish.
I've found 20k markups here in south florida
Toyota for me, All wheel drive, MPG
For me, Carnival looks more better
Hybrid comes with a price. Power. Sorry. For this size of a vehicle, I want adequate power. Sienna doesn't compare to the Carnival. The Sienna has dated technology. Look at the infotainment. It looks like it's from 2015. And you put it in reverse and look at the graphics. It looks like it's from 2010. Sienna has the AWD which is nice, but not necessary. I put snow tires on mine and it works so much better. Plus it'll stop better than the Sienna. Minivans are about comfort and storage. Tech is also big but not important to all. For me, the Carnival checks all the boxes. I"m paying $50K, I can afford the gas. What I can't afford is a lack of power when I need it.
"Why did you say that Jeff? God, I'm so stupid." Ha ha ha
Hahahaha
Well, The Carnival does look tempting, but the fact is I have a 2002 Toyota Sienna that I still drive every day. I have never had another car come close to that. So, for me it's The Toyota Sienna.
You probably already know this but i will say it anyways....You are hilarious 😂
I prefer the look of the Sienna, plus there is a large storage compartment under the center console where the Carnival doesn't have any.
Fun video. Personally think Carnival is ugly. I have driven one and it is pretty nice but the mpg difference is just huge
Toyota is way more reliable over the Kia
Honest question for everyone. What’s important to you? Resale, reliability, gas mpg, AWD. I think you know where I’m going. Toyota 100 percent. The build quality also is top notch.
Yeah but at what price? The Sienna is more expensive to begin with and then add on the dealer markups of $6-7k in my area, plus you can’t get one for at least 6 months. On the used market the Siennas I’m seeing look very beat up and the cheap plasticy feel of the interior really shows at 40k miles. It would take 7-10 years to recoup the extra cost of a Sienna vs a Carnival.
Carnival interiors are really a world apart from the Sienna or Odyssey. Kia’s Highway Driving Assist is excellent and makes a big difference in daily, rush hour, freeway traffic or long commutes.
The Carnival has a quieter cabin as well and performs better when fully loaded especially on any type of graded roads like driving in the mountains.
The value proposition goes to the Carnival. Crazy because the Sienna MPG was supposed to make it the value proposition. But that’s not how it pans out in reality with it being so much more expensive.
I also hate the Prius Prime look of the Sienna…truly awful.
I would go with a Carnival or a Honda Pilot. The Oddysey is even more of an abomination in the looks dept than the Sienna. So much so that my wife refuses for us to get the Odyssey based on the looks alone. Honda needs a refresh.
@@JonMoralesLA I see you’re in LA? That explains the chaos with the markups. I paid $2500 markup January 22. But got 3k more for my trade in that I brought exactly a year before. So it was a wash.
I wish they could combine their advantages. Both have great things and some flaws. The Carnival has a better interior layout for a family hauler with removable middle seats and three across in the second row. It also has better tech. Toyota has a much more efficient powertrain and will probably be more reliable. Sadly the Toyota has a really long wait list.
Its crazy how hard it is to find a Sienna. Wife told me she was finally ready to give up her sedan and buy a minivan we decided it would either be the Odyssey Elite or the Sienna Limited (don't like the brown interior)... So i started looking for a Sienna to go see and it seems impossible to find one to look at. I don't really want to spend $55,000 without even seeing one first
The Si-ennal 😂
this guy is hilarious. i'll take one of each 🤣
Hahahahah thanks!!
Carnival SX Prestige with VIP seating ftw. We like ours a lot.
Another video said sienna you can't take the seat out due to airbag and other power features. Not that you can't take it out but that then you have to do a lot more work. If you want to remove the rails and fool the airbag sensor. With the carnival. Supposedly you can't remove the seats on the EX model for similar reasons. But the lower trim levels of the carnival can easily remove and replace seats.
If the Kia was better stocked in the US I would definitely go with that. Yes, Toyota has reliability and testing as the carnival only came to the US in 2022. However, the Kia warranty is good and the starting price is less. 2025 may have some large changes for Kia of what they're offering so if you can hang on maybe it would even be a better value. It's hard to say if they will have to do the same thing. Other vehicles have done when they go hybrid and shrink the cargo space down. For example, the Chrysler Pacifica is great with their stow in the floor seats. But if you go hybrid you can't store the second row because they put the battery underneath that section. They have the second largest cargo with seats folded or removed to the Kia carnival, but they're pricing is high compared to their reliability score. Probably not fair to compare the carnival until people have used it long enough to know about reliability. For the person who mentioned that Kia has had issues with fires, not with the carnival. As far as I know. You can't base one vehicles defects on the entire brand.
i definitely go for Carnival 2024 with high technology, user friendly infotainment system and SUV look.
Toyota quality and reliability makes choice easy for me. I don’t care if the Kia is a spaceship.
Their warranty negates your statement. Toyota needs to up their game and stop relying on their "reliability "
@@lagranarob-3881 Kia has a very bad reputation. I will never buy another KIA product after owning a sedona, optima and sportage
@@osuk1 why? With their warranty what's the issue?
@@lagranarob-3881longer warranty does not = to reliability/durability……
@fasteddie2gogg they fix the issue, so what is the problem? Others cars then brake at 70k and you are on your own...
For me the one with AWD would win, that’s really helpful during winter days
It's not a deal breaker. Winter tires are proven to be more important then all wheel drive under winter conditions.
@@dman7668 AWD has been hyped by manufacturers to make money. If you have front wheel drive and good winter tires, that vehicle will take you just about anywhere you want to go.
We are retired so we don't have to go anywhere when the weather is bad. FWD cost less to buy and less for maintenance so we prefer it. Besides with good tires and the weight of that V6 engine over the drive wheels there should be plenty of traction for getting around in the average snow storm.
@stevensevek6151 Exactly, I say the same thing go folks awd is not the end all be all. What you drive your vehicle on is more important under bad winter conditions.
Sienna is 60k in my area. That is 20k above msrp. That is BS
Sienna for me 100%. I need that AWD here in the northeast. Plus, I do roughly 25-30k miles a year…that 36mpg helps. I’ve owned many Toyotas and it never disappoints. Kia might be good for the short term owners or low mileage drivers.
I'm still curious about whether all-wheel drive is as effective as people claim. My gut is to go with a vehicle that has all-wheel drive but I've always had a front-wheel drive with good snow tires and traction control. It's very hard to find videos of people testing minivans in the snow comparing front wheel versus all-wheel drive. One person pointed out that should you really be out with your family, if the roads are that bad? You could have a 4x4 vehicle and still slide on the ice right?
For me, it’s more about getting my car out of a pile of snow when it’s been parked on the street or just getting out of my driveway. My neighborhood is always the last street to be plowed by the township. When it’s really bad, it could take a couple of days. In order for me to get to the main roads, i would need to drive about a mile. Yes, 4WD can still slide on ice. I’ve encountered many times where it’s harder to get out of a rut with only front wheel drive car. With a 4WD…I just plow right out. Nothing more than 6” of snow of course. Sometimes you just have to go to work during bad weather (not with the family).
If you’re driving 30,000 miles a year, that’s about $2,500 savings a year with the Toyota on gas.
@@MikeDIYthat’s right!
u'll see a greater difference in economy in the city between the two on the highway especially if u drive at a higher speeds economy is going to be alot closer between the two.. i happen seen alot of high high mileage Carnivals but the older Sedona quite a few and they seem to be holding up well
Kia carnival wins for me because of the prices here in the philippines
Kia carnival ex 50k us dollars
Sienna hybrid 120k us dollars
Uh, no.
Toyota wins🎉😊
The Kia gives you a van with an SUV appearance with a lot of space and features like the double sun roof system and the camera to watch your baby or kids at the back in real time and power too. For that reason the Kia is my top pick. Not impressed with just front wheel drive, but can manage for the next 3 years till all wheel and possibly hybrid features are added to it in the subsequent models.
Does this carnival have the ability to slide the chairs in, and then slide further back? I saw that on another 2023 Kia Carnival video.
how about kia kids / boys - any risk with immobilizer etc for carnival ?
I saw another review of Sienna…a 2023…that revealed the wheels are chromed plastic. Doesn’t sound durable, at all. Also, there is essentially no back bumper on the Sienna, so back door more likely to be damaged.
I actually prefer the plastic hub cabs versus aluminum rims. My g/f has an ‘18 Rav 4 with the steel wheels and plastic hub cabs. It’s actually the best of both because the steel is very durable and easy to mount / dismount new tires without cosmetic damage. Here in NY the salt eats everything after a few years. It’s far cheaper and easier to replace just the plastic hub cabs when they get curbed or nasty looking.
As far as the back bumper pretty much any damage / accident nowadays will require an insurance claim. It’s all in order to reduce weight / costs, every freaking thing is brittle plastic underneath
I did a test drive of kia Carnival from 3 dealers, and all sounded different, plus mileage is awful. I terms of looks and option kia wins but in terms of reliability and mileage sienna wins
Here is the the Bay Area, the mark up for a Sienna is just ridiculous
The Sienna will last forever, but MANNNNN does Toyota lag when it comes to technology. In a couple years, it'll look absolutely ancient. I also don't like that they really haven't done a ton with the body styling over the years. Yeah, there's more swoops on the side, but overall it still reminds me (too much) of the styling on my 2011. I like how Kia is much more aggressive with the technology and features like the dual moon/sun roofs. I feel really loyal to Toyota, because they've never steered me wrong, but I can see myself going to Kia or Hyundai next, just because the Toyota's feel dated. Also, the hybrid drive train kind of scares me. I really like the 'oomf' of the V6 I've got in my 2011, especially compared to our Odyssey, which has no 'oomph'.
loved the 80's music references. subbed
Minivans are supposed to be affordable. 45k for a minivan 🤦🏻♂️
Sienna on AWD alone. That's it. Everything else Carnival takes it.
….all tires must have same circumference on AWD or you might have to buy all 4 tires. Also must tow AWD with a flatbed
..must tow AWD with flatbed tow truck only
SIENNA IS A DIFFRENT MONSTER
100%
Too much money to gamble on a kia.
The KIA looks more like an SUV, which is great for us moms/grandmas who have held out on buying a minivan because they look like a "mom mobile". Toyota lacks in technology and KIA offers so much more including a better warranty. Next to figure out though is how long do KIAs last? Toyota has always been a powerhouse in longevity.
Are moms and grandmas the only type of parents? Asinine.
@@PokerDummyface1024 nobody said that, asinine.
@@KraftingwithKris You held out on buying a practical car for your kids becos it doesn’t look “kewl”. No, you are indeed the ass
I agree, and that's why carnival, not the best name. By the way, name their vehicle and MPV not minivan. Multi-purpose vehicle is getting us back to where we need to be. And this reviewer keeps using the word boxy as a negative. That's a plus in my book. I'm looking for a vehicle to expand my balloon show but I'm not ready to do a transit van as I only want one vehicle. But I didn't want a soccer mom car because I won't be home hauling people and be taking the seats out. So this kind of rules out the sienna. Well, people have removed the seats and emulated the airbag. There's a whole process, especially if you're going to remove the rails. So if I did want to take people along it would be a pain to put the seats back in. I'd rather have Kia do something like the stow in the floor seats of the Pacifica but if I have to take seats out I would still go with the carnival as one would get 145 cubic feet and the sienna he shows. Seems like it loses headroom with the lower curved back and everything I've read is you don't gain 50 cubic feet of space Even if you do removethe seats.
The next closest vehicle in cargo capacity is the Pacifica and the seats don't have to be hauled around. But the price of that vehicle is higher which is odd considering the reliability ratings are impressive and a lower factory warranty. So even Pacifica used seems higher priced than buying a carnival new. However, there is an issue of Kia supply in the Northeast in December 2023 which is making my decision harder or maybe some would say easier. But I definitely think the sienna looks like a soccer mom mobile and it's a shame that they shrunk it down after 2020.
I think Kia has better wheels. Tbh, I think I'd wait until either auto maker offers an all electric model which I keep hearing is coming from Kia. I do think the sienna has a nicer interior though.
Really? Look again. LOL
@@MarkM58 Oi. It’s subjective. I’ve gone back and watched this review/read others and my opinion still stands. If you don’t like my opinion, that’s fine.
I had to click on the like button when you start singing Huey Lewis
I'm not sure what Toyota was thinking with the black "handle bar mustache" elements down the back side of many of their vehicles. I wish they had made it body color.
Toyota Sienna all the way
Toyota look nice but I think the winner is Kia for the price, warranty and features.
The only thing I hate about Toyota is going to dealership. Whatever the MSRP I searched online is way different than what they put on car window.
I can buy a lot of gas for the 8k price difference not including all the dealer mark ups on the siennas
All depends on how long / miles you will keep it.
at most your saving 1000 bucks a year in gas, more like 500-600 bucks. with those rates it would take 8 to 15 years to break even. Of course if you are driving 30k plus a year a sienna will make sense, but the dealer mark up on siennas are around 3 to 4k, so that pushes the break even point out farther@@RustyZipper
@@scotthall1381 - I just picked up an allocation for a LE on Tue, paying MSRP. I asked the nice sales lady three times and she confirmed that there was no additional fees besides the ones already built into the deal. The price to build online is the price I will be paying “allegedly” plus tax. We shall see in about 6 weeks. I have a Vin # and a deposit down. I have an ‘11 Elantra that I bought brand new and it’s been a good car as long as the engine doesn’t blow up or it gets stolen. Otherwise I’d keep it. I will never purchase another Kia / Hyundai product again. You also have to factor in the price of fuel. Right now here in way upstate NY it’s at $2.87, which is the lowest I’ve seen in years but this summer was at $3.99 the whole time. I’ll never justify the extra cost because I don’t drive beyond average. But I don’t need to Justify, I’m 42 years old and completely debt free. I plan on keeping it 10 years+ 🤷♂️ The new Car (van) will be paid in full upon arrival. I’m Not paying 7.5% + interest like most folks nowadays either.
I like your style.
Thanks!!!!
I have a FWD Van my drive is 65 feet long with a 5 to 7% grade and I'm living Western Canada 4300 feet above sea level winter starts early and ends late my vehicle goes up the driveway fine with dedicated winter tyres AWD would be nice but out on the road at higher speeds in a winter wonderland it wouldn't make a difference between the Carnival and the Sienna..
For a real long term review, we have a 2015 SXL with all options. With over 140k miles, the engine does not burn or leak a drop of oil. The van still has plenty of pickup and although the paint is looking dull and marked from all the road time, when cleaned up, it still looks great. No rips, tears, cracks or ugliness inside the cabin at all. Toyota would have to make are real big play to get me over to the Sienna.
I too have a 2015 SXL with all options and 72k miles. No issues on mine and yes the interior still looks brand new when cleaned up.
Different vehicles. The all-new Carnival came out in 2022.
The problem is is that you're 2015 isn't the same vehicle as the 2024 sienna.
Carnival for me
I lost count of how many forehead slaps I did while watching your entertaining review.
Toyota is best for long term ownership n resale value. Personally I don't like sunroofs.
Even with the dealers inflating the prices now...?
Welp.. you quoted Snoop Dogg.. Officially my favorite car reviewer. On the hook for a Sienna right now!
Glad you liked the Snoop reference haha. I’m thrilled you’re on board and part of the channel now :)
I don't see kia carnival on the road but I see a lot of sienna on the road in Toronto Canada sorry kia for my money i will on toyota
Carnival is only 2 years old. It takes a while to start seeing them. Here is the DC/Baltimore area I am starting to see more and more of them.
Toyota dealers have lost it with their pricing.. Someone has listed a 2023 Sienna for 90k CAD..
Check the real world mpg on UA-cam. The carnival gets 2 more mpg than estimated, but the sienna gets 3mpg less than estimated. Rest assured about the hybrid, the battery will die in 15 years, and the car lacks power.
Good points. And true as well.
Toyota Quality, MPG & AWD tell the tale.
Glad I skipped to the very end. It’s a tie? No, which one would you buy after reviewing both?
嘉年華的妥善率及後備，真的不行✋
Who would buy a mini van with a 2.5L 4 cylinders? Good luck driving on a uphill with full passengers and full load of equipments. Too much stress on the engine.
good stuff here...well done.
Kia is cool for the first 3-5 years, after that your screwed. Im aware of their 10 year warranty but the inconvenience and wasted time of getting is fixed will really suck.
I got Kia carnival EX 39k it has everything what I need
The Sienna looks cool on the highway but otherwise looks weird.
For real car junkies, it probably comes down to how reliable kia's transmission game would be
The bend and snap lol this was the best car review
Hahahahaha glad you liked it
Toyota's media looks ancient! Kia's media is killing it.
The carnival looks way better but they need a 4 cylinder with better gas mileage. I could pick up chiks in the carnival the Toyota chiks will be looking for the car seats. Also with all that chrome on the carnival why wouldn't they make the rims chrome?
Kia vs toyota? Is this even a question? Sorry there is no comparison. The Toyota will be alive and kicking even after 300k + miles/kms. The Kia will be dead and buried long before that. The question really is limited to the first 100k miles/kms.
Sienna is more soccer mom vs carnival looking more suv and masculine.
You do realize that you’re talking about a mini van right? Ain’t nothing masculine about either of these. You want masculine, you buy a Dodge Ram 3500 Quad Cab, Long bed, Dually with a Cummings. Throw a lift kit, big mud tires and limo tint, now that’s masculine 💪
Rear air conditioning? I don’t race, but what is the 0 to 60?
Sienna is not great, like passed by a school bus going up hill … not really 😂
The sienna doesn’t have second row seats slide sideways ?
Not sure why this is even a comparison. Reliability wins doesn’t matter what make your comparing.
You didn't talk about cigarette lighters?
…Sienna has one 12 volt outlet. Sienna also has a 1500 watt/120 volt (quantity 2) inverter option in higher trim levels
Kia only if I keep it up to the warranty period only.
There are some more factors: 1. Sienna has dealer mark up, that will make me stay away from it. 2. Sienna do not have vehicle anywhere, 6 months waiting, that will make me stay away from it. 3. Sienna AWD is a key for so many people who is living in north. Decision: if I have to buy a mini van, then I will by a used 2015-2019 AWD Toyota sienna. LOL
I love the toyota but just wish it would be available as non hybrid
Stretched Vios
😂😂😂😂😂
Kia, 5 year most before you have to start repairing. Toyota lifetime
I use a Sienna and my next choice will be Kia.
Kia hands down. If you want hybrid engines Kia will offer starting next year!!! 🎉
One thing I don't like about the Carnival, which is kind of petty, is the name "Carnival". Just sounds corny. Not that it's worse than "Sadona".
Kia reminded me of Ford explorer 😂
That's the whole point, Kia turned a Minivan into a cool SUV
Toyota.
The KIA got better features and more rugged looks, but the Toyota wins with reliability track record , AWD, and hybrid. If Honda update the odyssey with awd and better mpg, it would take the cake.
Jeff, Sienna AWD is the #1 minivan. Sienna FWD is # 1A.
The Kia Carnival is the better minivan over the Sienna?😊
Sienna 100% of the time. Carnival isn't too bad but AWD is a let down. Sienna looks better inside and out but I do wish it had a v6 like the Sienna.
The Sienna looks like a 1999 interior