This is my first attempt at a video, and was done the night before a project on Lockheed Martin, so please don't be too picky over the messy transitions etc.
Congratulations Dear F1ghtingFalcon, wonderful movie in a beautiful day on Sky of the Spectacullar Middle East. Fly over Dear State Of Israel is Fantastic always, honestly.
@newmanfrigan im from england and love our euro fighter, but being unbiased and witnessed the performance of the f22 over here, i can admit it is number 1 of the world, f35 i can say is awsome and glad we contributed to its manufacture..
I think you did a great job on the video. You should be proud of yourself. I have been following the progress of the F-35. I even have an RC model of one. Did you use Windows Movie Maker to make the video? Keep doing what you are doing. It looks great. Wayne
Nice technology! STOVL flight, carrying lots of weapons, is a game-changer in places where we will have to fight in the future. Flying from well-conditioned protected air bases is often not available. This aircraft allows superior air power to be placed where it normally cannot, to do things that are difficult even in the best of conditions. I'm not so sure of the F-22's "boutique role" but this plane definitely has a place.
Well, your response is humble and convincing, so I accept your apology. Also, I apologize if I have offended you. Anyways, on the cost of the F-35, it would also cost a lot of money to keep up and keep producing current 4th gen fighters as they age. A thing about planes is they typically don't age well. Another reason for production of F-35s is to keep the USAF as the most powerful air force in the entire world. Russia, India, China and numerous other countries developing their own 5th gens.
@EnglishTurbines We should be on the same team, this is exciting for both our countries, lots of hard work has gone into this program. Canadian Developmental Avionics. yahoo baby!
@NatedogJr Yes, it's a multi-role fighter. It has to meet both threats. (Will the USN have anything better for air to air?) In my understanding, the F-35 is built to increase survivability when faced with increasingly lethal air and surface threats. If it cannot operate in hostile air space or confront new air to air threats, it hasn't addressed the shortcomings of the legacy fighters it will replace.
@EnglishTurbines This whole project is a great effort for all parties involved, an effort that is succeeding. Once in a while you get a disbeliever like you. Time will tell, I just happen to know it will be successful before hand! I wish I just pushed papers. lol
Hope they iron all the kinks out of this fighter. Excellent design and a great step up from the harrier. I being english would love the uk to adopt them to our air force.
@TheARMAProductions Actually, the new engine is evidently much more efficient and cheaper. And, actually the F-35 isn't in trouble at all. Carswell and several other LM plants have begun installing assembly-line equipment, and are in the final testing stages on all versions of the plane. What gives you the impression that they're grounded? I saw three of the Carswell aircraft take off last week. They're behind schedule but most of the design kinks have been ironed out.
@EnglishTurbines I doubt giving it canards would help improve manueverability. Its good at rolling but do you think it can do a powerful sudden posistive 8 to 9 gs without destroying itself? The Eurofighter can pull major g forces in seconds while from seeing certain vids of this aircraft the plane pitches slowly.
Wow 3 conflicts, numerous sorties and missions, flying into heavily defended airspace time after time and only one was lost, not bad at all. You are somewhat right that stealth alone may not be enough in the future, that's why i suggest you read up on the f35 and realize it is not just a stealth plane. The f117 was spotted 60km away at most when the bomb bay doors opened, now a days if you detect a stealth plane at that distance, you probably have seconds to live
The "One Plane that does all" More like the third, or fourth. The F-16 and F/A-18 are very popular because they can do it all, and they didn't even have 3 versions to spread out the work load. The F-35 will do it all, and do it better, seems like a good plan for success.
@ISinisterI Remember the strategic reason for the Harrier's invention: Runways. You can't use conventional jets if the enemy bombs your runways; carriers are vulnerable to anti-ship missiles; and far-flung airbases add flight time to the theatre. If a nation has STOVL / VTOL capable planes (like F35s) that can operate from a makeshift airbase close to the front lines, that's a huge strategic advantage. They're like gunships, but jets, and can be hidden on the ground and moved wherever needed.
@EnglishTurbines The Joint Dual Role Air Dominance Missile or (JDRADM) is a scramjet missle that will be developed for both Air to Air and Air to Ground with a top speed of Mach 6 at altitude. The pilots found the F-35 loves to accelerate and go fast. And does a stealth aircraft that is a strike fighter need supercruise? If it did then why didn't we fit a B-2 to be as fast as a B-1R.
@torque2802 A multirole combat aircraft is an aircraft designed to act in at least two different roles in combat: 1. the primary role is usually a fighter-hence, it is as often called a multirole fighter. 2. the secondary role is usually air-to-surface attack. These two roles can be named "major roles". Sub-roles are Close Air Strikes, air interdiction, suppression of air defense, air recon, forward air control, electronic warfare.
@torque2802, the A-10 is suppose to be replaced in 2028. Nobody knows what CAS will look like. The Apache D block III ability allows the co pilot to control sensors on drones so it can engage in CAS from maximum missile distance or pass off the targets to other weapon systems such as artillery or even nearby tanks.
@NatedogJr you have just given me a definition of multi role and air superiority fighters doesn't change the fact that the SU-27 is better in air-air combat than the F-35 which is what i said from the beginning so you saying all these definitions isn't really defending the F-35 more just a brochure for people looking to buy 1 and letting them know there should buy more
AF F-22 fighter pilots say the exact same thing.The idea is to take out the targets before getting into any potential dog fighting range. It's really a marvelous air superiority fighter. The only problem is that if in a dog-fight situation, it really doesn't have much of an advantage over any aircraft like the Euro-fighter Typhoon. I expect that to be solved though.
The Soyuz/Tumansky R-15BD-300 is an axial flow, single shaft turbojet with afterburning capabilities. The engine provides massive thrust and high performance at altitude, but at a cost. At dry thrust the engine could produce 7,500 kilograms force (73.5 kN, 16,500 lbf); with afterburners the output is 11,200 kilograms force (110 kN, 24,700 lbf). This allowed speeds of up to mach 3.2 in the Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-25 (which used two engines).The MiG-25 was able to supercruise.
@EnglishTurbines Lockheed since 2007 have been talking to India about acquiring the F35 for their Navy. India has expressed interest in the F 35B or the F 35C depending on their carrier modifications. India would like to compliment the Su-30. Finally, I would like to see these ``comments`` about F-18 vs F 35, Americans seem to dislike? I know the Canadian public is interested in the purchase of 65 F-35s.
@4V14T10N ...I think they have a vested interest in the B Variant of F35. For sure the Engine Lift System when you consider the USMC will have the F35B variant. Thats a lot of business for Rolls Royce from the USA.
@WickedrWil The MiG-29 does not have thrust vectoring, only the OVT model had, but the standard MiG-29 does not. the Su-27 does not have, the Su-33 neither. The Su-37 was an experimental aircraft, not an operational one.
@FXWorldBeater I agree with you that legacy fighters won't do well against modern air defenses and that a VLO airframe will be important, but believe it has limitations on such a small plane. It will not prevent near-future air defense systems from locating the f-35. There are several VHF target acquisition radars on the market. These should get scattering in the resonant region and should see the f-35 very well.
@NoOne3234 A Kopp fan I see. Kopp loves to push the whole lumpy underside line as well. The underside of the fuselage is designed to maximise its high AOA ability (53 degrees departure aoa at combat speeds, very impressive). What Kopp didn't account for is that the F-35 as you said has a very good EW system and excellent networking. The lumpy underside of the aircraft can be turned away from threat radars by subtley banking 5-10 degrees.
This squadron might come to Boise, Idaho/ Mountain AFB. Some in Boise are protesting that the F35 noise will be prohibitive... Is it much louder than the A10, F16 that we have launch regularly??
@nitojo7 Short operating ranges? The F-35B operates on internal fuel(which has the smallest by far due to fan) can go as far as an F-16 with 2 fuel tanks, the F-35C can exceed the F/A-18 SuperHornets in range. The F-35A has a gun, F-35C is looking to get a gun once the initial blocks are out and possibly the weight issue is fixed.
@torque2802, Yes. It looks like drones and helicopters will be the CAS vehicles of the future. There are several major flaws with jets and CAS. The two major ones are expense and timing. A lot of the expense in Afghanistan is due to jets providing CAS. The second problem is most CAS calls are called off because the enemy left before the jets got there. The loiter time for jets is about 15 minutes. The drones now can last 4-6 hours.
@4V14T10N No, the big wing C variant is for US Naval. UK is only interested in the vertical landing F35B variant, although the carrier landing regime has yet to be met, its not yet good enough...:(
@ISinisterI A UCAV is like a remote control plane isnt it so maybe its possible for a powerful country to disrupt the signal between transmitter and reciever. Just a thought. But i suppose you guys have already thought of this. No one wants a plane that the enemy might just flip a switch and make it crash or worse.
"Switzerland is also a laser was used successfully shot down a drone." Thanks for telling me, I appreciate that. Northrop grumman has the 100kw solid state laser -named firestrike almost ready for purchase & full production. Same with the Talon ground based system. I think lasers should be developed in all UN member countries & available to all countries what do you think?
@EnglishTurbines The F-35 will get 6 internal weapons in Blk 3 or Blk 5. So that'd make it 4 Aim-120Ds and 2 Aim-9Xs, with the Eurofighter typhoon being forced to keep it's amraams until the F-35 gets close enough to be detected and locked onto meaning extra weight. And the Eurofighter will be constantly forced to be dodging Aim-120Ds until it's able to get the F-35 within Visual range.
"Soon" possibly depends on the varient. The B is a delay magnet, and there are [so far unsupported] rumors of an A/C price bump and delay [even though the A/C is ahead of schedule]. Even if all goes well, the F-35 is actually still about 4 years off. Testing isn't even complete. The F-35 is multirole, but in the same way as the F-16. It doesn't sacrafice any of its ability as a fighter. Even the F-15 would struggle to fight the F-35, BVR or dogfight.
@OlderG0ds I agree that the technology has improved but so has the detection methods. Even the USA purchased the Tesla radar responsible for tracking the F 117 so I expect they have been developing it since then.
The S-300 dates back to the 80's, the F-35 was designed with it in mind, and the plane itself is constantly upgrading, as is the norm for any plane. I don't really see an issue, not do I assume LM assuming anything like you implied.
@caylon31 I sympathise with OZ. I too think you will regret relying on the F35. Its a toned down version of F22 but slower and with a cleaper "Stealth" skin. You need to keep in mind that at the moment the F35 can only carry 4 A to A Missiles internaly, 2 of which are very short range. The other most obvious point is that its adversary WILL be a dedicated Fighter. Probably Russian or Chinese. You would be better off buying upgraded F15s Silent Eagle?
@FXWorldBeater "existing fighters would meet requirements" Read the quote in context. If SAMs remain, it is no longer a low threat environment. Modern air defenses are really nasty and hard to dismantle.
@malayatom You can't base an aircraft on wing loading, we have lifting bodies now-a-days. F-16 has a higher wing loading than the F-4 PhantomII, are you suggesting that F-16 is less manuverable than the Phantom? The F-35B, less manuverable of the variants, was found to have F-18 like qualities but with better energy management. (better acceleration. etc.)
@themadmek01 Actually..old and outdated is only a perception to a degree. The F-16 Block 60 has tremendous upgrades to it's airframe including additional space for much newer avionics. Also, with Block program upgrades ( Block 10, Block 20, Block 30 etc.....) it not only includes upgrades such as electronics but almost always includes engine upgrades as well. The F-16 could go far beyond what it currently is by expanding the F-16 XL test platform.
@FXWorldBeater Once detected, the f-35 will need to rely on electronic warfare and its VLO airframe to defeat fire control radar. My opinion of the f-35 swings heavily on how well the F-35 defeats the final stages of the kill. While the f-35's EW suite is impressive, systems are much more robust than they used to be so the question remains. The F-35 seems less optimized for all aspect stealth than the f-22 and has a lumpy underside, potentially undermining its effectiveness in this role.
@torque2802 And yes, it has been discontinued off the production line because it hit the limit of requests for 187. The reason why they took it off was NOT because of problems it was because of military spending cuts.
There are common misconception about stealth techniques. Most people think it's a special type of skin coat that gets painted onto the Airframe surface. Thats only 1 way to stealth a jet & usually that's only done after the other techniques. First there is vehicle shaping, the most effective ways is with orthognal metal plates - dihedral or trihedral, 2nd planform alignment 3rd burying the engine in the wings or eliminating propellers, bumps or protrusions & burying turbines.
@benrodgers44 - Because, the Harrier was developed in the 1960's ( by the way, the U.S. Marines also use the Harrier in an American version and it TOO is subsonic ) and uses a turbo fan engine which is ducted through four exhaust vents - two on either side of the fuselage. These small duct openings are far too small to allow use of an afterburner and prevent the capacity to push supersonic EXCEPT in a dive. Where as the F-35 has a traditional wide open tail "turkey feather" exhaust.
@EnglishTurbines Ok i got it, so is RAF planning to use STOVL on carriers but why not C variant are there to big in size for relaitvely small UK carriers(relatively to US carriers) and by small i am not meaning anyting rude... So with smaller jets RAF is planning to have more jets on a carrier? I mean is it about quantity...
Best pilots, I agree. I think that any victory we would have against another nation during sany kind of war would be due in large part to that. However, many pilots do not enjoy flying the F-22 because of the mysterious oxygen problems... I am kind of disappointed that these issues remain unfixed, as I am an American and I do believe a good pilot is worth more than a good plane.
@evildeathmonkey1 Actually, the STOVL / VTOL was being built for the Marines..not the Navy. The Navy is getting the F-35C which has larger wings with folding tips and a heavier undercarriage to support carrier landings. The STOVL / VTOL is the F-35B which is now on hold by Sec. Gates current budget cuts and to allow both the A nd C variants to get into production faster since they do not have the complex shaft driven lift fan assembly.
@nexus1g That incident was restricted to Guam, where the air is much more humid than in most other places. The F-22 is also a very new plane. It will take time to work out small bugs, but they will be worked out. That an F-15 isn't grounded by rain is due more to its 30+ years of service than its quality. By the time the F-22 is fully deployed and operational, the F-15 will be a thing of the past. And that day is fast approaching. You must have something better than a minor glitch.
@newmanfrigan I agree, the best and the last that came from (post) Soviet Russia was the Mig-25. Our technology has metamaterial, stealth, the latest engine design concepts by lock-heed, and overall the best performance, people think that we throw out our plane designs the moment they're completed. Look at it this way everyone, the F-22 was thought up in 89, and it kicks ass, so in 2011, we're 30-40 years ahead of publicizing it to the world. Our military is 40 years ahead of the world!!!
@SvenPhantom No, the F35 on a Mission would not be carrying what you tried to suggest for a start. Its NOT a Fighter. So, why (if it had 6 bays) would it fill them with A2As? It would more likely be a mix like I said earlier. EF would see the F35 60 miles away, its European, not Russian. The F35 would need to be at least within 20 miles to have any chance of a kill. Eurofighter would launch Meteor long before the F35 could even consider firing anything it was carrying.
@EnglishTurbines Total orders are still speculation until final price is set, plus the type of involvement each country will partake in like parts production will affect the price of the JSF for each country. 2600 orders for all 3 variants together was the last we heard, but now there is interest from India, Israel and others plus the economy, most countries will take a wait and see approach. Canada has 1600+ employed and signed for parts production, this is why our government has given the ok.
I assume you mean our F 35B STOVL variant...against our Euro-fighter. At least we will hopefully get some impartial answers. I think I know what the outcome will be though. In terms of pure flight performance, Euro-fighter will monster the F 35B, you don't need any trials to ascertain this. That just leaves the JSFs VLO capability, I hope it lives up to its hype, because the RAF will show no mercy.
@torque2802, The A-10 was first made to take out Soviet tanks in Eastern Europe and then went on to peerform CAS missions. The air force has always hated CAS and that's why the A-10 has been on the chopping block so often and why the F-15's pitch was, "Not a pound for air to ground." The F-35 has an extremely limited abilty outside of air to air and bombing fixed targets. Without drones, the air force and navy won't be involved in CAS beyond 2028 because of the limited ability of the F-35.
@malayatom they caught up already. Everything from EODAS type sensors to AESA and anti-jamming with longer range air to air BVR. My advice is redesign this coupled with the F22s. Americans have the technology and mind but it is not put to use, not to mention the budget not available too.
Lockheed consulted with Yakovlev engineers during the design phase of the F-35B's VTOL system. It wasn't a direct copy, but Yakovlev's experience with the Yak-141 definitely influenced the VTOL design of the F-35.
@goleafbudsgo... Eurofighter uses Rolls Royce RJ2000 engines, we also have a big chunk of that business also. Especially when you consider UAE have puchased 144 alone...and thats just one country. You will also find some BAE avionic systems in your F35. Do you know what the total on order is for all 3 F35 variants?
@EnglishTurbines You basically just do this in terms of the F-35s point of view, you're going on a ground attack mission with F-35s with A2G and F-35s with A2A. the F-35 A2A ones will deal with fighters that might be dangerous to strike package, fire Aim-120s and hope for a kill, if not, if they still pose a threat getting closer and closer, The F-35s will go for a merge and attack with Aim-9Xs. And go into a turning fight with guns and Aim-9xs. We don't know the Maneuverability until it shows.
@TheARMAProductions There is actually 2+ T-50s at the mo. And have seen sources that say the F22 is vulnerable to rain and small arms fire. Yes the other projects are veiled in secrecy, but some info is availiable. Simulations of Sukhoi 35s against eurofighters came up badly for the EF2000, despite the 'jamming' the sukhois gout info from other sources to shoot them down. As much as I wish the best of luck to NATO and our projects, but from my sources, they are having problems (the F35 and F22).
@orlandothx sure the f22 can't survive a rifle round, it is only made out of mostly titanium and other super strong composite materials, the f22 is a bird that can survive over 700gs, i think it can stand up to a rifle bullet
@NoOne3234 "Will the USN have anything better for air to air?" USN has never really had a proper air dominance fighter or interceptor since the F-14. The F-35 is still not it. The ADF fighter program (or F/A-XX or NGAD) is the project to properly replace the F-14 with a true air dominance fighter. Requirements have been sent out and a few designers have made their submissions.
@4V14T10N Which model you choose depends on the intended role, clearly Turkey does not need B variant...you choose...:) F35 is Multi role aircraft...:)
@TheARMAProductions I know about the navy. But even ours is not as it once was. Didn't Astute run aground? And isn't the new QE class way more expensive than projected? I remember Cameron talking about defence when he became PM, something about it not being all we wanted and too expensive to cancel. And we won't have any planes for them for a few years to come. And PAK-FA is the project name, T-50 is the prototype/plane, and it isn't finished yet. So it may be stealthy enought for current radar.
@orlock20 so what your saying is that in about 2028 jets will be pure air to air combat vehicles and the military will hav new ways to provide precision fire support to ground troops?
@TumisHumis The Typhoon doesn't have AESA. Its radar is leaps and bounds behind current F-15s. The only real advantage the Typhoon has over the F-15 is maneuverability, which is irrelevant in modern air combat as it occurs beyond visual range.
@malayatom 1)Nothing is learned of the F-35 Stealth 2)There's a thing called LPI, It makes sure you don't get your radar detected, and the F-35 has advances passive sensors 3)Manuverability isn't key when you have HOBS missles like the Aim-9X. There's no way you're avoiding one.
@TheARMAProductions Our problems are monetary and political mainly. But is does mainly come down to this: These advanced projects/aircraft to my knowledge, have not faced REAL battle situations, and till then, we will not know whether the T-50 is better than the F22. there plans to be 200 in indian service, 200 in russian service and 400-600 exported. But seeing as you know a lot, and i'd like to expand my knowledge, what is the emphasis on the '6th gen'? and what is PIRATE?
Correct me if im wrong. But i heard that the F 22 had better stealth then the F 35. In fact i heard that the F 35 was actualy 90% easier to pick up on radar than the F 22. But im not sure if thats entirly true.
@xKENN3DYx false. it is not the first aircraft to utilize thrust vectoring. fighter jets with VTOL technology have been around for about 50 years. however it is the first to tie VTOL, stealth, and mach speeds. which makes it an impressive threat.
@bliss0512 Cheers wasn't aware of that, suppose if there's all the radar tech to spot IED's etc from the air it follows on.. Pity tho because all these new stealth aircraft and Naval designs look really cool eh!!
@torque2802 It wasn't discontinued, it CAN fly in the rain. And no, it hasn't seen any combat yet because we don't have any wars going on with enemy air power. The Taliban lost most of their very little fixed wing aircraft in the first years of the war so we don't really have any use for it there and were not in conflict anywhere else. We're leaving Afghanistan in 2014 too so no reason there either. And it has flown missions just hasn't seen combat.
@EnglishTurbines So partly business partly tech ok fair enough. Turkey will buy the A variant its the most simple but easy to maintance and as we dont have any cariers there was no reason for the other two versions... So it might be a vise choise for Turkish Air Force i hope.
@EnglishTurbines Well i wonder is it about the size and quantity, i mean to fit more jets or just because they have a lot of arangements and adjusting so that they trust that jet better and they know it better in and out.
@highlo3517 tell me about it the uk is not expected to get any F35's until 2018-2019 at the earliest thankfully we do have the eurofighter should something happen. as far i am concerned the F35 may look the part but i doubt it will ever be able fully live up to the Harrier's success. but like everyone things are getting smaller to save money , i heard the us were on about retiring the F18 when the F35 goes into full production. i dont live in the us so i might be wrong on that though.
Actually the F-35 utilized the Harrier lift system, although the turning nozzle is the same as the Yak the method of stabilizing the aircraft has evolved from the Harrier Everything to do with VTOL and STOL on the aircraft was from a British company BAE, they controlled that concept and the British defiantly did not copy the Yak
@jozzo6 China is far from having an operational 5th gen fighter, they have test flown something that looks like a mix of F22 and PAK-Fa. Even if it's really that advanced, it takes them at least 10 years to get the plane operational. And then there's always the question what makes a 5th gen fighter a 5th gen fighter (apart from LockMart calling it so).
@SvenPhantom If EF can see the F35 60 miles out, it can fire Meteor. Meteors missile burn range is 60nms. Its kinetic range is in excess of 60nms. Its a done deal that EF has vastly superior A2A Missiles currently. Im not saying EF CAN see the F35 from 60nms, but it can fire long before the F35 if EF is also suorted by AWACS for example. BTW. the SU 35 also has RAM Missile technology almost as good as Meteor. Russian also have L band Radar, which can detect "Stealth".
@jeffmik2008 That's debatable. The F-35 is supposed to be living up to 5th generation fighter standards, but preliminary reports show it's even worse than anything we have flying. And the price of the aircraft is significant when it comes to the F-35. The F-22 was way too expensive and the F-35 is supposed to be significantly more affordable. We'll see if it's as affordable as they expect (~50 million per aircraft for the "A" variant, ~65 million per aircraft for the "B" variant).
@TheRandyWanker Just because the MIG25 Foxbat could achieve Mach 3.2, dont be assuming its the most powerful gas turbine made, as it was the aircrafts design which allowed this speed, not its engines as such. If you want to draw comparisons, then the engines power to weight ratio is also a consideration and also the enines design. For example, if you tried to use a Turbofan from an airliner, you would not get above the speed of sound, let alone Mach 3...No flames, just saying..:)
@caylon31 Its a good plane for the marines. And it is a huge leap in technology. But to make this plane a air superiority fighter is not good. There is too much to gamble on. We will see this plane improve for certain. Speed will improve i know that. But for the maneuverability to improve it may have to change the CG further to the back. It can roll, but hasnt got the pitch. Have you seen how an F22 can drop tail first. Or F15.
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@newmanfrigan im from england and love our euro fighter, but being unbiased and witnessed the performance of the f22 over here, i can admit it is number 1 of the world, f35 i can say is awsome and glad we contributed to its manufacture..
Well produced, I liked the video clip and its well composed with the music.
I think you did a great job on the video. You should be proud of yourself. I have been following the progress of the F-35. I even have an RC model of one. Did you use Windows Movie Maker to make the video? Keep doing what you are doing. It looks great.
Wayne
Well done, great score.
Nice technology! STOVL flight, carrying lots of weapons, is a game-changer in places where we will have to fight in the future. Flying from well-conditioned protected air bases is often not available. This aircraft allows superior air power to be placed where it normally cannot, to do things that are difficult even in the best of conditions. I'm not so sure of the F-22's "boutique role" but this plane definitely has a place.
a very well made video, enjoyed watching that.
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Well, your response is humble and convincing, so I accept your apology. Also, I apologize if I have offended you.
Anyways, on the cost of the F-35, it would also cost a lot of money to keep up and keep producing current 4th gen fighters as they age. A thing about planes is they typically don't age well. Another reason for production of F-35s is to keep the USAF as the most powerful air force in the entire world. Russia, India, China and numerous other countries developing their own 5th gens.
Night Before a Project
dont worry its a great video
cant wait to get a chance at a fghter pilot
@EnglishTurbines We should be on the same team, this is exciting for both our countries, lots of hard work has gone into this program. Canadian Developmental Avionics. yahoo baby!
@NatedogJr Yes, it's a multi-role fighter. It has to meet both threats. (Will the USN have anything better for air to air?) In my understanding, the F-35 is built to increase survivability when faced with increasingly lethal air and surface threats. If it cannot operate in hostile air space or confront new air to air threats, it hasn't addressed the shortcomings of the legacy fighters it will replace.
@EnglishTurbines This whole project is a great effort for all parties involved, an effort that is succeeding. Once in a while you get a disbeliever like you. Time will tell, I just happen to know it will be successful before hand! I wish I just pushed papers. lol
@bigchiefmingingbolok the face of war will have changed beyond all recognition by then, my friend.
Hope they iron all the kinks out of this fighter. Excellent design and a great step up from the harrier. I being english would love the uk to adopt them to our air force.
@TheARMAProductions
Actually, the new engine is evidently much more efficient and cheaper. And, actually the F-35 isn't in trouble at all. Carswell and several other LM plants have begun installing assembly-line equipment, and are in the final testing stages on all versions of the plane. What gives you the impression that they're grounded? I saw three of the Carswell aircraft take off last week. They're behind schedule but most of the design kinks have been ironed out.
@EnglishTurbines
I doubt giving it canards would help improve manueverability. Its good at rolling but do you think it can do a powerful sudden posistive 8 to 9 gs without destroying itself? The Eurofighter can pull major g forces in seconds while from seeing certain vids of this aircraft the plane pitches slowly.
Wow 3 conflicts, numerous sorties and missions, flying into heavily defended airspace time after time and only one was lost, not bad at all. You are somewhat right that stealth alone may not be enough in the future, that's why i suggest you read up on the f35 and realize it is not just a stealth plane. The f117 was spotted 60km away at most when the bomb bay doors opened, now a days if you detect a stealth plane at that distance, you probably have seconds to live
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@4V14T10N You can use B and C from runways if you want to. Its the avionics package thats different I think....in all 3 models.
The "One Plane that does all"
More like the third, or fourth. The F-16 and F/A-18 are very popular because they can do it all, and they didn't even have 3 versions to spread out the work load. The F-35 will do it all, and do it better, seems like a good plan for success.
@ISinisterI Remember the strategic reason for the Harrier's invention: Runways. You can't use conventional jets if the enemy bombs your runways; carriers are vulnerable to anti-ship missiles; and far-flung airbases add flight time to the theatre.
If a nation has STOVL / VTOL capable planes (like F35s) that can operate from a makeshift airbase close to the front lines, that's a huge strategic advantage. They're like gunships, but jets, and can be hidden on the ground and moved wherever needed.
Thank you well put my friend, finally some logic that makes sense
@EnglishTurbines The Joint Dual Role Air Dominance Missile or (JDRADM) is a scramjet missle that will be developed for both Air to Air and Air to Ground with a top speed of Mach 6 at altitude. The pilots found the F-35 loves to accelerate and go fast. And does a stealth aircraft that is a strike fighter need supercruise? If it did then why didn't we fit a B-2 to be as fast as a B-1R.
@torque2802 A multirole combat aircraft is an aircraft designed to act in at least two different roles in combat: 1. the primary role is usually a fighter-hence, it is as often called a multirole fighter. 2. the secondary role is usually air-to-surface attack. These two roles can be named "major roles".
Sub-roles are Close Air Strikes, air interdiction, suppression of air defense, air recon, forward air control, electronic warfare.
@torque2802, the A-10 is suppose to be replaced in 2028. Nobody knows what CAS will look like. The Apache D block III ability allows the co pilot to control sensors on drones so it can engage in CAS from maximum missile distance or pass off the targets to other weapon systems such as artillery or even nearby tanks.
@NatedogJr you have just given me a definition of multi role and air superiority fighters doesn't change the fact that the SU-27 is better in air-air combat than the F-35 which is what i said from the beginning so you saying all these definitions isn't really defending the F-35 more just a brochure for people looking to buy 1 and letting them know there should buy more
AF F-22 fighter pilots say the exact same thing.The idea is to take out the targets before getting into any potential dog fighting range. It's really a marvelous air superiority fighter. The only problem is that if in a dog-fight situation, it really doesn't have much of an advantage over any aircraft like the Euro-fighter Typhoon. I expect that to be solved though.
The Soyuz/Tumansky R-15BD-300 is an axial flow, single shaft turbojet with afterburning capabilities. The engine provides massive thrust and high performance at altitude, but at a cost. At dry thrust the engine could produce 7,500 kilograms force (73.5 kN, 16,500 lbf); with afterburners the output is 11,200 kilograms force (110 kN, 24,700 lbf). This allowed speeds of up to mach 3.2 in the Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-25 (which used two engines).The MiG-25 was able to supercruise.
@EnglishTurbines Lockheed since 2007 have been talking to India about acquiring the F35 for their Navy. India has expressed interest in the F 35B or the F 35C depending on their carrier modifications. India would like to compliment the Su-30. Finally, I would like to see these ``comments`` about F-18 vs F 35, Americans seem to dislike? I know the Canadian public is interested in the purchase of 65 F-35s.
@4V14T10N ...I think they have a vested interest in the B Variant of F35. For sure the Engine Lift System when you consider the USMC will have the F35B variant. Thats a lot of business for Rolls Royce from the USA.
@WickedrWil The MiG-29 does not have thrust vectoring, only the OVT model had, but the standard MiG-29 does not. the Su-27 does not have, the Su-33 neither. The Su-37 was an experimental aircraft, not an operational one.
@FXWorldBeater
I agree with you that legacy fighters won't do well against modern air defenses and that a VLO airframe will be important, but believe it has limitations on such a small plane. It will not prevent near-future air defense systems from locating the f-35. There are several VHF target acquisition radars on the market. These should get scattering in the resonant region and should see the f-35 very well.
@NoOne3234 A Kopp fan I see. Kopp loves to push the whole lumpy underside line as well. The underside of the fuselage is designed to maximise its high AOA ability (53 degrees departure aoa at combat speeds, very impressive).
What Kopp didn't account for is that the F-35 as you said has a very good EW system and excellent networking. The lumpy underside of the aircraft can be turned away from threat radars by subtley banking 5-10 degrees.
@gookskywalker
You got a good point there.Cannot disagree with that one.
This squadron might come to Boise, Idaho/ Mountain AFB.
Some in Boise are protesting that the F35 noise will be prohibitive...
Is it much louder than the A10, F16 that we have launch regularly??
@nitojo7
Short operating ranges? The F-35B operates on internal fuel(which has the smallest by far due to fan) can go as far as an F-16 with 2 fuel tanks, the F-35C can exceed the F/A-18 SuperHornets in range. The F-35A has a gun, F-35C is looking to get a gun once the initial blocks are out and possibly the weight issue is fixed.
@torque2802, Yes. It looks like drones and helicopters will be the CAS vehicles of the future. There are several major flaws with jets and CAS. The two major ones are expense and timing. A lot of the expense in Afghanistan is due to jets providing CAS. The second problem is most CAS calls are called off because the enemy left before the jets got there. The loiter time for jets is about 15 minutes. The drones now can last 4-6 hours.
@4V14T10N No, the big wing C variant is for US Naval. UK is only interested in the vertical landing F35B variant, although the carrier landing regime has yet to be met, its not yet good enough...:(
@ISinisterI
A UCAV is like a remote control plane isnt it so maybe its possible for a powerful country to disrupt the signal between transmitter and reciever. Just a thought. But i suppose you guys have already thought of this. No one wants a plane that the enemy might just flip a switch and make it crash or worse.
"Switzerland is also a laser was used successfully shot down a drone."
Thanks for telling me, I appreciate that. Northrop grumman has
the 100kw solid state laser -named firestrike almost ready for purchase
& full production. Same with the Talon ground based system.
I think lasers should be developed in all UN member countries &
available to all countries what do you think?
@EnglishTurbines Yes of course but, i amean if you use in land runways who needs that kind a wing area? Do you think the B verison is superior?
proud 2 b an american
this jet is why us is us
please keep the this beast in stock
at all cost
@EnglishTurbines
The F-35 will get 6 internal weapons in Blk 3 or Blk 5. So that'd make it 4 Aim-120Ds and 2 Aim-9Xs, with the Eurofighter typhoon being forced to keep it's amraams until the F-35 gets close enough to be detected and locked onto meaning extra weight. And the Eurofighter will be constantly forced to be dodging Aim-120Ds until it's able to get the F-35 within Visual range.
"Soon" possibly depends on the varient. The B is a delay magnet, and there are [so far unsupported] rumors of an A/C price bump and delay [even though the A/C is ahead of schedule]. Even if all goes well, the F-35 is actually still about 4 years off. Testing isn't even complete.
The F-35 is multirole, but in the same way as the F-16. It doesn't sacrafice any of its ability as a fighter. Even the F-15 would struggle to fight the F-35, BVR or dogfight.
@OlderG0ds I agree that the technology has improved but so has the detection methods. Even the USA purchased the Tesla radar responsible for tracking the F 117 so I expect they have been developing it since then.
Yes, you certainly right:) But what must it be for one thing, even if only brings down such a small laser is a drone?
The S-300 dates back to the 80's, the F-35 was designed with it in mind, and the plane itself is constantly upgrading, as is the norm for any plane. I don't really see an issue, not do I assume LM assuming anything like you implied.
I hope you got an a, you should, this video is awesome.
@weissman2000 It sure does! Lockheed Martin makes some pretty good quality planes though! E.g, c-130, c-5, f-16, and the Sr-71. :)
@caylon31 I sympathise with OZ. I too think you will regret relying on the F35. Its a toned down version of F22 but slower and with a cleaper "Stealth" skin. You need to keep in mind that at the moment the F35 can only carry 4 A to A Missiles internaly, 2 of which are very short range. The other most obvious point is that its adversary WILL be a dedicated Fighter. Probably Russian or Chinese. You would be better off buying upgraded F15s Silent Eagle?
@FXWorldBeater "existing fighters would meet requirements" Read the quote in context. If SAMs remain, it is no longer a low threat environment. Modern air defenses are really nasty and hard to dismantle.
@malayatom You can't base an aircraft on wing loading, we have lifting bodies now-a-days. F-16 has a higher wing loading than the F-4 PhantomII, are you suggesting that F-16 is less manuverable than the Phantom? The F-35B, less manuverable of the variants, was found to have F-18 like qualities but with better energy management. (better acceleration. etc.)
@themadmek01 Actually..old and outdated is only a perception to a degree. The F-16 Block 60 has tremendous upgrades to it's airframe including additional space for much newer avionics. Also, with Block program upgrades ( Block 10, Block 20, Block 30 etc.....) it not only includes upgrades such as electronics but almost always includes engine upgrades as well. The F-16 could go far beyond what it currently is by expanding the F-16 XL test platform.
@FXWorldBeater Once detected, the f-35 will need to rely on electronic warfare and its VLO airframe to defeat fire control radar. My opinion of the f-35 swings heavily on how well the F-35 defeats the final stages of the kill. While the f-35's EW suite is impressive, systems are much more robust than they used to be so the question remains. The F-35 seems less optimized for all aspect stealth than the f-22 and has a lumpy underside, potentially undermining its effectiveness in this role.
@torque2802
And yes, it has been discontinued off the production line because it hit the limit of requests for 187. The reason why they took it off was NOT because of problems it was because of military spending cuts.
There are common misconception about stealth techniques.
Most people think it's a special type of skin coat that gets
painted onto the Airframe surface. Thats only 1 way to stealth
a jet & usually that's only done after the other techniques.
First there is vehicle shaping, the most effective ways is with
orthognal metal plates - dihedral or trihedral, 2nd planform alignment
3rd burying the engine in the wings or eliminating propellers, bumps
or protrusions & burying turbines.
@benrodgers44 - Because, the Harrier was developed in the 1960's ( by the way, the U.S. Marines also use the Harrier in an American version and it TOO is subsonic ) and uses a turbo fan engine which is ducted through four exhaust vents - two on either side of the fuselage. These small duct openings are far too small to allow use of an afterburner and prevent the capacity to push supersonic EXCEPT in a dive. Where as the F-35 has a traditional wide open tail "turkey feather" exhaust.
@EnglishTurbines Ok i got it, so is RAF planning to use STOVL on carriers but why not C variant are there to big in size for relaitvely small UK carriers(relatively to US carriers) and by small i am not meaning anyting rude... So with smaller jets RAF is planning to have more jets on a carrier? I mean is it about quantity...
Best pilots, I agree. I think that any victory we would have against another nation during sany kind of war would be due in large part to that. However, many pilots do not enjoy flying the F-22 because of the mysterious oxygen problems... I am kind of disappointed that these issues remain unfixed, as I am an American and I do believe a good pilot is worth more than a good plane.
@evildeathmonkey1 Actually, the STOVL / VTOL was being built for the Marines..not the Navy. The Navy is getting the F-35C which has larger wings with folding tips and a heavier undercarriage to support carrier landings. The STOVL / VTOL is the F-35B which is now on hold by Sec. Gates current budget cuts and to allow both the A nd C variants to get into production faster since they do not have the complex shaft driven lift fan assembly.
@nexus1g That incident was restricted to Guam, where the air is much more humid than in most other places. The F-22 is also a very new plane. It will take time to work out small bugs, but they will be worked out. That an F-15 isn't grounded by rain is due more to its 30+ years of service than its quality.
By the time the F-22 is fully deployed and operational, the F-15 will be a thing of the past. And that day is fast approaching. You must have something better than a minor glitch.
@newmanfrigan I agree, the best and the last that came from (post) Soviet Russia was the Mig-25. Our technology has metamaterial, stealth, the latest engine design concepts by lock-heed, and overall the best performance, people think that we throw out our plane designs the moment they're completed. Look at it this way everyone, the F-22 was thought up in 89, and it kicks ass, so in 2011, we're 30-40 years ahead of publicizing it to the world. Our military is 40 years ahead of the world!!!
@SvenPhantom No, the F35 on a Mission would not be carrying what you tried to suggest for a start. Its NOT a Fighter. So, why (if it had 6 bays) would it fill them with A2As? It would more likely be a mix like I said earlier. EF would see the F35 60 miles away, its European, not Russian. The F35 would need to be at least within 20 miles to have any chance of a kill. Eurofighter would launch Meteor long before the F35 could even consider firing anything it was carrying.
@EnglishTurbines Total orders are still speculation until final price is set, plus the type of involvement each country will partake in like parts production will affect the price of the JSF for each country. 2600 orders for all 3 variants together was the last we heard, but now there is interest from India, Israel and others plus the economy, most countries will take a wait and see approach. Canada has 1600+ employed and signed for parts production, this is why our government has given the ok.
I assume you mean our F 35B STOVL variant...against our Euro-fighter. At least we will hopefully get some impartial answers. I think I know what the outcome will be though. In terms of pure flight performance, Euro-fighter will monster the F 35B, you don't need any trials to ascertain this. That just leaves the JSFs VLO capability, I hope it lives up to its hype, because the RAF will show no mercy.
@torque2802, The A-10 was first made to take out Soviet tanks in Eastern Europe and then went on to peerform CAS missions. The air force has always hated CAS and that's why the A-10 has been on the chopping block so often and why the F-15's pitch was, "Not a pound for air to ground." The F-35 has an extremely limited abilty outside of air to air and bombing fixed targets. Without drones, the air force and navy won't be involved in CAS beyond 2028 because of the limited ability of the F-35.
@malayatom they caught up already. Everything from EODAS type sensors to AESA and anti-jamming with longer range air to air BVR. My advice is redesign this coupled with the F22s. Americans have the technology and mind but it is not put to use, not to mention the budget not available too.
Lockheed consulted with Yakovlev engineers during the design phase of the F-35B's VTOL system. It wasn't a direct copy, but Yakovlev's experience with the Yak-141 definitely influenced the VTOL design of the F-35.
@goleafbudsgo... Eurofighter uses Rolls Royce RJ2000 engines, we also have a big chunk of that business also. Especially when you consider UAE have puchased 144 alone...and thats just one country. You will also find some BAE avionic systems in your F35. Do you know what the total on order is for all 3 F35 variants?
@EnglishTurbines
You basically just do this in terms of the F-35s point of view, you're going on a ground attack mission with F-35s with A2G and F-35s with A2A. the F-35 A2A ones will deal with fighters that might be dangerous to strike package, fire Aim-120s and hope for a kill, if not, if they still pose a threat getting closer and closer, The F-35s will go for a merge and attack with Aim-9Xs. And go into a turning fight with guns and Aim-9xs. We don't know the Maneuverability until it shows.
@TheARMAProductions There is actually 2+ T-50s at the mo. And have seen sources that say the F22 is vulnerable to rain and small arms fire. Yes the other projects are veiled in secrecy, but some info is availiable. Simulations of Sukhoi 35s against eurofighters came up badly for the EF2000, despite the 'jamming' the sukhois gout info from other sources to shoot them down. As much as I wish the best of luck to NATO and our projects, but from my sources, they are having problems (the F35 and F22).
@orlandothx sure the f22 can't survive a rifle round, it is only made out of mostly titanium and other super strong composite materials, the f22 is a bird that can survive over 700gs, i think it can stand up to a rifle bullet
@NoOne3234 "Will the USN have anything better for air to air?"
USN has never really had a proper air dominance fighter or interceptor since the F-14. The F-35 is still not it.
The ADF fighter program (or F/A-XX or NGAD) is the project to properly replace the F-14 with a true air dominance fighter. Requirements have been sent out and a few designers have made their submissions.
@4V14T10N Which model you choose depends on the intended role, clearly Turkey does not need B variant...you choose...:) F35 is Multi role aircraft...:)
@TheARMAProductions I know about the navy. But even ours is not as it once was. Didn't Astute run aground? And isn't the new QE class way more expensive than projected? I remember Cameron talking about defence when he became PM, something about it not being all we wanted and too expensive to cancel. And we won't have any planes for them for a few years to come. And PAK-FA is the project name, T-50 is the prototype/plane, and it isn't finished yet. So it may be stealthy enought for current radar.
@orlock20 so what your saying is that in about 2028 jets will be pure air to air combat vehicles and the military will hav new ways to provide precision fire support to ground troops?
@TumisHumis The Typhoon doesn't have AESA. Its radar is leaps and bounds behind current F-15s. The only real advantage the Typhoon has over the F-15 is maneuverability, which is irrelevant in modern air combat as it occurs beyond visual range.
@malayatom
1)Nothing is learned of the F-35 Stealth
2)There's a thing called LPI, It makes sure you don't get your radar detected, and the F-35 has advances passive sensors
3)Manuverability isn't key when you have HOBS missles like the Aim-9X. There's no way you're avoiding one.
@TheARMAProductions Our problems are monetary and political mainly. But is does mainly come down to this: These advanced projects/aircraft to my knowledge, have not faced REAL battle situations, and till then, we will not know whether the T-50 is better than the F22. there plans to be 200 in indian service, 200 in russian service and 400-600 exported. But seeing as you know a lot, and i'd like to expand my knowledge, what is the emphasis on the '6th gen'? and what is PIRATE?
Correct me if im wrong. But i heard that the F 22 had better stealth then the F 35. In fact i heard that the F 35 was actualy 90% easier to pick up on radar than the F 22. But im not sure if thats entirly true.
@xKENN3DYx
false. it is not the first aircraft to utilize thrust vectoring. fighter jets with VTOL technology have been around for about 50 years. however it is the first to tie VTOL, stealth, and mach speeds. which makes it an impressive threat.
@bliss0512 Cheers wasn't aware of that, suppose if there's all the radar tech to spot IED's etc from the air it follows on.. Pity tho because all these new stealth aircraft and Naval designs look really cool eh!!
@torque2802
It wasn't discontinued, it CAN fly in the rain. And no, it hasn't seen any combat yet because we don't have any wars going on with enemy air power.
The Taliban lost most of their very little fixed wing aircraft in the first years of the war so we don't really have any use for it there and were not in conflict anywhere else. We're leaving Afghanistan in 2014 too so no reason there either.
And it has flown missions just hasn't seen combat.
@EnglishTurbines So partly business partly tech ok fair enough. Turkey will buy the A variant its the most simple but easy to maintance and as we dont have any cariers there was no reason for the other two versions... So it might be a vise choise for Turkish Air Force i hope.
@EnglishTurbines Well i wonder is it about the size and quantity, i mean to fit more jets or just because they have a lot of arangements and adjusting so that they trust that jet better and they know it better in and out.
@highlo3517 tell me about it the uk is not expected to get any F35's until 2018-2019 at the earliest thankfully we do have the eurofighter should something happen. as far i am concerned the F35 may look the part but i doubt it will ever be able fully live up to the Harrier's success. but like everyone things are getting smaller to save money , i heard the us were on about retiring the F18 when the F35 goes into full production. i dont live in the us so i might be wrong on that though.
Actually the F-35 utilized the Harrier lift system, although the turning nozzle is the same as the Yak the method of stabilizing the aircraft has evolved from the Harrier
Everything to do with VTOL and STOL on the aircraft was from a British company BAE, they controlled that concept and the British defiantly did not copy the Yak
@NatedogJr is air to air combat not part of its role or will it just try and turn and run away if it sees another enemy jet?
@jozzo6
China is far from having an operational 5th gen fighter, they have test flown something that looks like a mix of F22 and PAK-Fa. Even if it's really that advanced, it takes them at least 10 years to get the plane operational. And then there's always the question what makes a 5th gen fighter a 5th gen fighter (apart from LockMart calling it so).
@EnglishTurbines The USMC is geared towards the F 35b not the harrier.
@SvenPhantom If EF can see the F35 60 miles out, it can fire Meteor. Meteors missile burn range is 60nms. Its kinetic range is in excess of 60nms. Its a done deal that EF has vastly superior A2A Missiles currently. Im not saying EF CAN see the F35 from 60nms, but it can fire long before the F35 if EF is also suorted by AWACS for example. BTW. the SU 35 also has RAM Missile technology almost as good as Meteor. Russian also have L band Radar, which can detect "Stealth".
@jeffmik2008 That's debatable. The F-35 is supposed to be living up to 5th generation fighter standards, but preliminary reports show it's even worse than anything we have flying. And the price of the aircraft is significant when it comes to the F-35. The F-22 was way too expensive and the F-35 is supposed to be significantly more affordable. We'll see if it's as affordable as they expect (~50 million per aircraft for the "A" variant, ~65 million per aircraft for the "B" variant).
@TheRandyWanker Just because the MIG25 Foxbat could achieve Mach 3.2, dont be assuming its the most powerful gas turbine made, as it was the aircrafts design which allowed this speed, not its engines as such. If you want to draw comparisons, then the engines power to weight ratio is also a consideration and also the enines design. For example, if you tried to use a Turbofan from an airliner, you would not get above the speed of sound, let alone Mach 3...No flames, just saying..:)
@avro1001 The F35 is a very good plane it has some growing pains much like the Arrow, but when it come thru its was superb
@caylon31
Its a good plane for the marines. And it is a huge leap in technology. But to make this plane a air superiority fighter is not good. There is too much to gamble on. We will see this plane improve for certain. Speed will improve i know that. But for the maneuverability to improve it may have to change the CG further to the back. It can roll, but hasnt got the pitch. Have you seen how an F22 can drop tail first. Or F15.
@TheCauzeOfWetPantiez yes finally someone who understands we are the best :D
i agree with u bro!!some people just dont get it!
@xKENN3DYx
Funny, didn't the Harrier have thrust vectoring before it?