How to Make Seed Starting & Potting Up Mixes on a Budget: Materials, Mix Ratios, My Formula

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  • @hoosierpreppingnurse
    @hoosierpreppingnurse 10 місяців тому +3

    I made my own seed starter this year based on your videos. I have had an outstanding success with the seeds sprouting. In the past I bought seed starter. It seemed more wood chips than anything. Had less than stellar success with that.

  • @ralexlu
    @ralexlu Рік тому +4

    this synchronicity is insane. i needed this video!

    • @THERUSTEDGARDEN
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  • @kimparker1752
    @kimparker1752 Рік тому +6

    I am in Central Missouri and Lowes sell large cubic bags of peat moss. I bought 6 bags 2 years ago, store them in my covered barn typically use 1 bale per spring and fall seed starting season. Currently at Lowes they have 3 cu. feet bales for 19.98. Makes a lot of starting potting mix!!

    • @THERUSTEDGARDEN
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      Yep thats what I use. Its good stuff
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  • @juliekovach9784
    @juliekovach9784 Рік тому +4

    Where I live, Jiffy Mix are the small boxes of corn muffins, pizza crust, etc. sold on the baking aisle at the grocery store (and manufactured here in Chelsea, Michigan, home of the actor Jeff Daniels!)

    • @THERUSTEDGARDEN
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      Here to LOL.
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  • @athomas897
    @athomas897 Рік тому +3

    Short sweet and informative. ❤

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      Thats my goal
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  • @annakramar5088
    @annakramar5088 Рік тому +10

    TIp: Wear a mask or mix it outdoors. Mix perlite with a little water has fine dust particles that can go air borne . Do not breathe in. Even potting mix, people may find they are allergic. Always read instructions on the back of the product bag.🌻

    • @THERUSTEDGARDEN
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      Good tips. Thanks
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    • @lidip8700
      @lidip8700 9 місяців тому

      Oh darn!! I just mixed a bunch with vermiculite & starter mix in my home atrium

  • @hiroyopoetker
    @hiroyopoetker 11 місяців тому +3

    Very great video and perfect mix!
    The small percentage of worm casting is ideal for getting some biology in the mix!

    • @THERUSTEDGARDEN
      @THERUSTEDGARDEN  11 місяців тому +1

      The biology does help and will multiply in the containers. So it is great to do.
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  • @se5594
    @se5594 10 місяців тому

    This is exactly the mix i came up with last year. Worked great

    • @THERUSTEDGARDEN
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  • @Gabriella-lb1yw
    @Gabriella-lb1yw Рік тому +1

    Gary, thank you teaching how to make this mix!
    The Jiffy mix here in NJ is up to $15 to $25 per bag. Uline just delivered the vermiculite within one day from PA! Total cost with shipping $121. The boxes are about 4.5 tall! Even if the jiffy went down to $7 in the store, your mix is a great way to save.

    • @THERUSTEDGARDEN
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      Wow that is getting so expensive.
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  • @wheretheseedlingsare9646
    @wheretheseedlingsare9646 Рік тому +1

    Thank you Gary

  • @jamilemmond3393
    @jamilemmond3393 Рік тому +1

    Thanks for your recipe! I was pricing seed starting mix and 😮

    • @THERUSTEDGARDEN
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      Yep making it is the cheapest way to go.
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  • @jeannettecantley4558
    @jeannettecantley4558 Рік тому +1

    Great information thanks for sharing your experience and knowledge

    • @THERUSTEDGARDEN
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      Glad to share for sure.
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  • @darkstarpyro5358
    @darkstarpyro5358 Рік тому +1

    Solid info Gary, Adding a wetting agent like yucca powder with the initial watering is something I add to this.

    • @THERUSTEDGARDEN
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  • @pal8h
    @pal8h 11 місяців тому +2

    Can't go wrong with this staying mix! I screen the peat moss to catch the larger chunks/sticks but that's not completely necessary.

    • @THERUSTEDGARDEN
      @THERUSTEDGARDEN  11 місяців тому +1

      It works well.
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    • @revens-j3k
      @revens-j3k 10 місяців тому

      I do too,as it is better to drop in the plants Ive germanated from the paper towel and baggie method.This time lm going to use MI gardeners method of paper towel in a condiment container with a lid so the seeds can grow upward.l germinated impatient seeds(18 days usual) in 5 days.

  • @birgitelisabeth9661
    @birgitelisabeth9661 9 місяців тому

    I just ordered the Vermiculite from Uline. Minimum purchase is two bags (4 cu ft each) for $39. So the total is $78, plus $40.50 for shipping to Chicago, plus $4.88 for tax. You would buy Vermiculite-Grade I for horticultural use. Thanks for the video, Gary!

    • @THERUSTEDGARDEN
      @THERUSTEDGARDEN  9 місяців тому

      It's good stuff. Seems pricey u front but it really reduces cost as you buy in bulk.
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  • @MichaelJosephJr934
    @MichaelJosephJr934 11 місяців тому +1

    FYI my very first year gardening I brought my homemade compost in to help an indoor plant and I couldn't understand why I had tons of flies in my house. I mean tons! It took a long time to realize where they came from.

  • @gardenstatesowandsew
    @gardenstatesowandsew Рік тому +1

    Thank you very much - Robyn

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  • @JeffreyKangas-g3p
    @JeffreyKangas-g3p Місяць тому

    Hi Gary. Im looking to do seed starting inside for the first time this Feburary/March. How much do you consider the PPFD or the light density when seed starting indoors? Do you care about the brightness or just want a certain number of lights?

  • @warrenschwartz5653
    @warrenschwartz5653 11 місяців тому +1

    Thanks, Gary. Shouldn't you add dolomitic lime to adjust the pH since peat is acidic? If the pH of the mix is off it can affect nutrient absorption.

    • @THERUSTEDGARDEN
      @THERUSTEDGARDEN  11 місяців тому +2

      Its not as acidic as we are told but you can add in some for sure.
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  • @sypher0101
    @sypher0101 10 днів тому

    Many seeds I've seen ask for "well drained soil". if peat moss retains water, & vermiculite retains water, wouldn't using both make the mix too wet?

    • @THERUSTEDGARDEN
      @THERUSTEDGARDEN  9 днів тому

      Yeah thats one of the catch phrases that dont make sense. Holding moisture is fine. Not letting excess water drain through and leave air pockets behind is bad. So the materials can absorb, but excess should drain away.
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  • @Heelsfan74
    @Heelsfan74 Місяць тому

    Gary, you changed this seed starting mix ratio from your previous videos. Before you stated a ratio of 6:1 peat moss to vermiculite and here you stated 3:1. Did you find this new ratio worked better for seed starts and do you use this new ratio for potting mix as well? Thank you

    • @THERUSTEDGARDEN
      @THERUSTEDGARDEN  Місяць тому

      I found the latter works a bit better. Both do work. There are just a lot of ways to make it but these are the ends. I wouldnt go higher or lower. I like 3:1 for potting mix.
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  • @reginaldanglin4264
    @reginaldanglin4264 7 місяців тому

    Hey Gary waz up. Lol. Man i joined one of your channel. Haven't been hear for a min. But , but i haven't forgot ya. Your channel is Educational at best. 10/10. Keep it simple reggie. Man save a lot of money. Yes looks so beautiful like black Gold. Can you use peat moss and sand with compost? Old time said use sand. 2nd can u grow in Mulch.

    • @THERUSTEDGARDEN
      @THERUSTEDGARDEN  7 місяців тому

      Thanks so much. Sand give it weight and can make a fine mix. It mostly helps for drainage. Using earth in it is very similar.
      Let me know if you have more questions.

  • @natemarin7839
    @natemarin7839 11 місяців тому +1

    Where do buy Perlite? Thanks for the Uline source for the fine vermiculite

    • @gjsmimi4474
      @gjsmimi4474 11 місяців тому +1

      Usually garden stores and the big box stores that have garden sections (Home Depot, Walmart, etc.) sell bags of perlite.

    • @THERUSTEDGARDEN
      @THERUSTEDGARDEN  11 місяців тому +1

      I dont use a lot and have found bags at big box stores at times.
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  • @Judten1
    @Judten1 9 місяців тому

    Hello! If your mixing large amount of any soil for your garden and you have a friend with a cement mixer, borrow it! Mixes this really nice for you. 👍

    • @THERUSTEDGARDEN
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  • @sensenisok
    @sensenisok Рік тому +5

    Even cheaper at big box stores . Look in insulation isle for vermiculite.

    • @THERUSTEDGARDEN
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    • @garthwunsch
      @garthwunsch Рік тому +3

      Insulation vermiculite is different from agricultural grade and all the info I've seen says to not use the industrial product, I just can't remember the exact reasoning right now... but certainly worth researching.

  • @walkwalk69-ho5lt
    @walkwalk69-ho5lt 11 місяців тому +1

    Should organic lime be added to the peat moss due to the pH ?

    • @THERUSTEDGARDEN
      @THERUSTEDGARDEN  11 місяців тому +1

      You can. I dont do it but a little bit does increase the pH.
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  • @rickyamsbaugh7397
    @rickyamsbaugh7397 10 місяців тому +1

    Where did you get your metal buckets from and how big are they

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  • @Harmonylovess
    @Harmonylovess 9 місяців тому

    Do you have a recipe for raised beds or grow bags?

    • @THERUSTEDGARDEN
      @THERUSTEDGARDEN  9 місяців тому

      Yep search making container mix.
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  • @michaelvittori8525
    @michaelvittori8525 Рік тому +1

    Good video !! What do you use for your outdoor potting mix?

    • @THERUSTEDGARDEN
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      I actually make mine. Look up making container mix on why channel.
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  • @wojomojo
    @wojomojo 11 місяців тому +1

    what about coco coir instead of peat moss?

    • @THERUSTEDGARDEN
      @THERUSTEDGARDEN  11 місяців тому +2

      That will work. I experimented with it in the past.
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  • @Rachnic1
    @Rachnic1 11 місяців тому +1

    Can i just crush the coarser vermiculite into finer pieces or will that not be the same? I guess could sift out the larger pieces if crushing isnt a good idea

    • @THERUSTEDGARDEN
      @THERUSTEDGARDEN  11 місяців тому +1

      I think it is a bit of work to crush it. You could if its not an issue. I depends how course yours is.

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    @juliekovach9784 Рік тому +1

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  • @jefffarris9238
    @jefffarris9238 Рік тому +2

    Uline is very competitively priced but they have a 2-bag minimum for each, at $39 per bag. If you bought perlite also, that would be 4 bags (@160 dollars), just so people know.
    There is another brand, PVP, where you can buy just one bag. "Horticultural Grade Vermiculite". The "medium" seems very close to Gary's "fine".

    • @THERUSTEDGARDEN
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  • @michelerichard5523
    @michelerichard5523 11 місяців тому +1

    Is Peatmoss not acidic. Someone mentioned adding Dolomitic lime to balance out the PH to a neutral level. I believe it is 1 gallon Peatmoss, add 2 tbsp of the lime. 🤷‍♀️

    • @THERUSTEDGARDEN
      @THERUSTEDGARDEN  11 місяців тому +1

      It is more acidic and you can put some lime in it to buffer it.
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  • @QivSeudo
    @QivSeudo Рік тому +2

    I don't have fungus gnats but I have damping off disease with peat moss. Would boiling water prevent the disease?

    • @THERUSTEDGARDEN
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      It sure does.
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  • @CaffeinatedOwlC
    @CaffeinatedOwlC 10 місяців тому

    Just curious: Im using Coir this year, and I prefer to hydrate/wash/sterilize first. It’s also a lot easier to measure out wet. Will the recipe change drastically by doing this? Like, should I go to 6 to 1, since the coir expands so much? Or am I just overthinking things? 😅

    • @THERUSTEDGARDEN
      @THERUSTEDGARDEN  10 місяців тому

      I dont think it will matter much. Just eyeball it and add more vermiculite if you feel it needs more. Just use this as a guideline.
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  • @tracisusong6991
    @tracisusong6991 5 місяців тому

    Hello. How long does the mix last once mixed unused? I have a small space but want to make my own seed starting and potting mix for my containers.

    • @THERUSTEDGARDEN
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      In theory, years.
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      @THERUSTEDGARDEN  5 місяців тому +1

      In theory, years.
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  • @thomasjent8198
    @thomasjent8198 9 місяців тому

    If you don't use all the moist mix can it be stored in a container with lid for a few days til you use it again?

    • @THERUSTEDGARDEN
      @THERUSTEDGARDEN  9 місяців тому

      Inside yes. A loose lid is okay. If it dries, regular tap water is fine.
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  • @NatalieDiorio
    @NatalieDiorio Рік тому +1

    Hi. What size is your cup? 8oz or 16oz? Thanks, Natalie

    • @THERUSTEDGARDEN
      @THERUSTEDGARDEN  Рік тому +2

      I don't know actually. It just picked it for it is size. But it probably around 32 ounces.
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    • @NatalieDiorio
      @NatalieDiorio Рік тому +1

      @@THERUSTEDGARDEN I was thinking it might be larger. Otherwise,I would be sitting there waiting for the cows to come home before my bucket got filled. 😂

    • @garthwunsch
      @garthwunsch Рік тому +1

      As he explained, it doesn't matter what size it is because you are using ratios, not precise measures. Sometimes my container is 2 or 3 gallons... depends on how much mix you need.

    • @lynngraffigna5152
      @lynngraffigna5152 Рік тому +1

      Link for the vermiculite?

  • @justsayin5609
    @justsayin5609 10 місяців тому +2

    To clarify: Vermiculite is for water retention. Perlite is for aeration. Lots of comments with this question.

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  • @TravisTarver60
    @TravisTarver60 Рік тому +1

    I’m a little confused? Watch your channel as a favorite. I’ve often heard you refer to Perlite as “eye candy” and not needed. I basically quit using it when mixing. It either serves a real purpose or it doesn’t?

    • @THERUSTEDGARDEN
      @THERUSTEDGARDEN  Рік тому +5

      True. And I say you only need 2 ingredients. It the big bags you buy its eye candy for like for filling containers and raised beds. There just isnt enough it to matter. It has little value. In seed starting and potting up it can have value for drainage at about this ratio. But its about the quantity that matters and I probably should have clarified way back. A few pieces popping up isnt much but eye candy.

  • @johnlibby7900
    @johnlibby7900 11 місяців тому +1

    I know you’re zone 7 Maryland. What area in Maryland. I’m in the Frederick county area.

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      @THERUSTEDGARDEN  11 місяців тому +1

      Im in Howard County
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  • @Cobbmtngirl
    @Cobbmtngirl 4 місяці тому

    Please use coco coir instead of peat moss. The peat bogs are being removed for gardens. They are a vital habitat.

  • @vernajoy441
    @vernajoy441 5 місяців тому

    I just checked line and you have to buy 2 bags of vermiculite @ $39 each and $40 shipping total $129.00

    • @THERUSTEDGARDEN
      @THERUSTEDGARDEN  5 місяців тому

      Its a big outlay but if you use it often, it is a good way to go.
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  • @pegsol3834
    @pegsol3834 9 місяців тому

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      @THERUSTEDGARDEN  9 місяців тому

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  • @justsayin5609
    @justsayin5609 10 місяців тому +1

    If you must make your mix indoors, this nurse recommends wearing a mask with the dry peat moss.

    • @THERUSTEDGARDEN
      @THERUSTEDGARDEN  10 місяців тому +1

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  • @jonathanborchardt891
    @jonathanborchardt891 11 місяців тому +1

    Coco coir killed my tomatoe seedlings. 200 seedlings and a months grow time lost. .ost seeds did not even germinate

    • @THERUSTEDGARDEN
      @THERUSTEDGARDEN  11 місяців тому +1

      So sad. Coir itself should be a direct kill but I found a combo or peat is best.
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  • @ALADAR16
    @ALADAR16 8 місяців тому

    the last bag of jiffy mix i got was like 95% peat moss, what a rip offf

    • @THERUSTEDGARDEN
      @THERUSTEDGARDEN  8 місяців тому

      Yep mostly peat
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  • @elyria649
    @elyria649 10 місяців тому

    Peat moss is an incredibly unsustainable ressource, please consider using coco coir instead!

    • @THERUSTEDGARDEN
      @THERUSTEDGARDEN  10 місяців тому +1

      I did research. Coco Coir is quite damaging from clearing forests is South America, to cost of processing is fossil fuel and water, and cost of shipping across the seas and the carbon foot print. Canadian bogs are managed quite well. Not perfect but better than people think.

  • @garthwunsch
    @garthwunsch Рік тому +7

    Peat moss mining is highly destructive to both the environment and climate. It is a massive carbon sink and once disturbed, the carbon is immediately released into the atmosphere as more greenhouse gas. Yes, it is renewable, but it may take a 1,000 years to regrow... literally. Last spring I developed a peat and coir free mix that worked beautifully... never had such good seedling growth, but I do use very high grade compost. I deal with fungus gnats etc. by using biological controls. The peat fraction of my mix is made from composted and finely shredded wood chips.

    • @THERUSTEDGARDEN
      @THERUSTEDGARDEN  Рік тому +20

      Not everyone has access to high grade compost unfortunately. So saying dont use it, really doesn't work at this time. Its all about choices. As I use peat at times, I refuse to buy plastic water bottles and such. Swap out what we can do to help the environment. Cheers.

    • @dvssayer5621
      @dvssayer5621 10 місяців тому

      And cow farts are destructive too. They are killing us! Away with cows! 😂

    • @legalfictionnaturalfact3969
      @legalfictionnaturalfact3969 10 місяців тому +3

      Rusted garden, unless he edited it out after your reply, I don't think you said not to use peat. He was just saying what the problems are with it for anyone interested.
      As far as a good compost goes, that's something we can make from our kitchen scraps and yard trimmings, well curated materials of course, but our common waste materials nonetheless.

    • @justsayin5609
      @justsayin5609 10 місяців тому +1

      Your recipe would be nice....

    • @garthwunsch
      @garthwunsch 10 місяців тому +1

      @@justsayin5609 I keep modifying my potting mix depending on what materials I have, but here's a good starting point...
      2 parts shredded aged wood chips (this is my peat moss component, but unlike peat moss it isn't high acid so I don't have to add anything to raise the pH)
      2 parts finished compost (whatever kind I have, or sometimes several kinds... Johnson-Su, thermophilic, vermicompost etc.)
      1 part good garden soil
      1 part perlite.
      Growth was like nothing I've ever seen in nearly 70 years of having my own garden... dad gave me my first plot when I was 10 and gave me free reign to do and learn - God bless his ancient soul... he died at 97.
      I'm presently working on trying to eliminate this commercial input with biochar. The perlite is strictly for drainage so the biochar may do the same job and also provide a strong nutrient base. Have 27 tomato plants under lights in my workshop with attached heated greenhouse in central Ontario zone 4a...Snow Country! My first goal is to see if there's such a thing as too much biochar in a mix - I have reason to believe this is possible. Once this is ascertained, I'll run a test with good high nutrient potting soil augmented with varying rates of perlite and biochar to see what effect each has on growth. I'm hoping the biochar works, but I think the challenge is going to be how much water it retains. The mix has to drain well. Hope this helps.

  • @pushedbyabreeeze
    @pushedbyabreeeze 3 місяці тому

    Have you tried coco coir instead? It’s way more sustainable than peat moss and does the same thing. From what I’ve been reading peat moss is not sustainable at all. Have you heard this? Thoughts? 🙏🏼🤍🌱

    • @THERUSTEDGARDEN
      @THERUSTEDGARDEN  3 місяці тому

      I have used it but I dont feel it's that much more sustainable for these reasons. Forests are cut down for coconut trees. Tremendous amount of water and energy used to process it. The cost in greenhouse gas tanker ship it overseas is very high. Bottom line is European peat was badly managed but Canadian peat is well managed and bogs are repaired for future decades. But it is a cost on either side. Thanks.
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