💥Baby Reindeer TRUTH Exposed: Experts REACT to Fiona Harvey
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- Top behavior and body language analysts reveal their true reactions to Fiona Harvey as Baby Reindeer's 'Martha' and Richard Gadd's 'psychotic' fiction. Thank you to our Sponsor, Aura. Click the link for a 2 week FREE trial: aura.com/tbp
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Fiona Harvey - Baby Reindeer’s real “Martha”- wants more from Piers Morgan after her first televised appearance to discuss the Netflix series. Following her claims that she’s the woman portrayed as comedian Richard Gadd’s stalker in the blockbuster Netflix limited series, Harvey agreed to a sit-down interview with the journalist on his Piers Morgan Uncensored UA-cam show last Thursday. Harvey told the Daily Record in an interview Tuesday that she had initially been offered a small sum to do the interview with Morgan. “They offered me £250 [$315] and I asked if that was what they paid everyone and, if so, I wanted to see documentation to that effect,” Harvey told the Daily Record. “That documentation has not been forthcoming. I have not signed a contract for the interview and I will be seeking far more than a piddling £250.” Instead, Harvey added, she is seeking significantly more for the interview appearance, telling the Daily Record, “I’d settle for a million”-which in British pounds would equate to about $1.25 million in U.S. dollars.
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Chapters:
00:00 Baby Reindeer Interview Body Language Analysis
00:30 Fiona Harvey interview with Piers Morgan
0:43 True identity behind viral story
11:19 Interviewee behavior analysis
24:08 Deceptive behavior during interrogation
35:39 Importance of object placement
47:38 Ethical concerns in reality TV
59:35 Rapid facial expressions analysis
1:12:23 Shifts in admiration and hostility
1:24:36 Contradictory response analysis
1:36:21 Micro expression analysis
1:48:53 Multiple phones discussion
2:00:45 Revealing response impact
2:13:20 Academic grades authenticity questioned
2:25:15 Fiona Harvey interview analysis
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Thanks!! Tons of people were looking forward to this!
Thank y'all for doing this one!
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Why is robbie parker laughing
When she says the phone’s “packed up”, she means it’s broken, not actually packed away. Fellow Scot here, and thats how we explain something that breaks 😂
I would have never guessed 😅
That's also TMI, or too revealing, for the question. I never call my old phones broken. Kind of embarrassing that I've cracked or broken all my phones lol
Fellow Scot here🖐
I have just began watching and was thinking she sounds Scottish.
I am living in the capital city of Edinburgh. I've been here around 10 years now ❤
I love Scottish accents, but this woman makes me want to drive nails with my forehead! I heard someone say she has a unique dialect, so I get that, but it sounds like she speaks uniquely even considering this. The moans and very drawn out words is unbearable!
I love Scottish accents, but this woman makes me want to drive nails with my forehead! I heard someone say she has a unique dialect, so I get that, but it sounds like she speaks uniquely even considering this. The moans and very drawn out words is unbearable!
4 phones is NUTS. I've only ever needed 2: my normal phone and my stalker phone.
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Incorrect - 3 is the right number. Your phone, a phone to stalk, plus a phone to stalk yourself on so you can play the victim to police. You must be an amateur at this
Some were broken she took the question literally
@michellebh ok this is life altering information
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"I haven't seen the actress" yet she knows the character's name, actress's name, hair colour, age ...
Come over to my place Martha luv..
Sent from: Aphone in a potato
"I haven't seen the actress"...proceeds to describe her physical appearance and accent. 😂
And age lol
She could have looked her up.
@@cathryncharette1224 Exactly..so then she would have seen her 😂 They were talking about how the actress looks like her and she says she has never seen the actress before.
If she hasn’t watched this series then I’m a carrot.
lol. Ditto! 🥕
Totally
🥕
I can confidently say that you are not a carrot
If so be a nice carrot.
On one of her FB posts she wrote that Gadd “constantly gave her free drinks” but in the interview she said he never gave her a free drink. She’s a pathological liar who forgets what she’s lied about!
She only met him 2-3 times.......yet, halfway through the interview, she believes the 350 voicenails could have been recorded by Gadd in the Hawley Arms........she must've been there for a long time for him to record her that many times!
Great observations. I didn’t know about the fb posts. I thought the same thing about the voicemails though.
I found her on FB too. Numerous posts per day suggest she's not so innocent...
SHES A MENTAL PATIENT. what is wrong with you?
I'm waiting to hear Pierce say that he has received 42,000 emails from her since the interview.
😂😂😂😅
All in good time. 👀
Kudos to Greg Hartley for phrase of the week: There's a lot of circus under that tent.
It never ceases to amaze that there are still people who let Piers Morgan or Dr Phil interview them.
Can't stand Dr. Phil, ew!
I think it shows that they think they're the smartest people in the room.
She said she thought he would give her a fair trial… I was a bit confused by that…
Everything she says is what she does to people
@@checkyourhead9 true
Scott she doesn't say "stop asking me that" she says "the staff asked me that"
Her knowing Piers' age was creepy. Watch out Piers !
the fact that she is taking Netflix to court and showing up on TV is her way of ramping up the stalking behavior. She is now adding an entire TV network to her list of victims.
Your interpretation is brilliant! I tend to fully agree ❤
If someone is recording you in a bar, on their Dictaphone 😆, it's going to sound VERY different than someone leaving a voicemail!! How ridiculous was that???!!!! 😂😂
"Collecting memorabilia from things that never happened." Mark
Classic
“I haven’t seen the actress.” then proceeds to describe her.
Exactly!!!
Mark Bowden, the way you spoke about this "allegedly" mentally ill woman being made a spectacle for public entertainment was spot-on. You handled this analysis with such grace and kindness.
when a Brit says that something has "packed up', it means its broken, not that its been packed away
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I was half expecting her to say “It wasn’t 41,000 emails. I only sent 35,785 emails.”
She said that it was just a few and that the evidence would show that. Now an MP is demanding the emails from Netflix and he told the BBC that there is no evidence of her being convicted of stalking. The problem is a Nestflix exc testified under oath to a parliamentary committee that she was. That would be contempt of parliament. A crime. We may soon know whether Netflix can provide thousands of emails to parliament. If not, someone may be going to prison. If they lied about her conviction, they could well be lying about it all. Gaad, like many authors may have based characters on people he knew and then created a fictional story in which they commit murder or other crimes.
Hell of a difference between 10 emails and 44 thousand⁉️🙄⁉️😳⁉️🇦🇺🐨🪃
I disagree with many of the takes here. People need to keep in mind she's a lawyer, if you've ever watched many lawyers on the stand(which is essentially what she's doing here), they speak in many of the same patterns you see her having here, the long pauses and thinking hard before she speaks in how she forms the response. Obviously she's not being honest about everything, nobody is, but I believe she's more honest than she is deceptive.
Why were you expecting that? Your assumption. She said she sent less than 10. Listen to what she does say and not what you ( with your own bias) expect her to say.
@@bennypit4411 She's sucked you in, she is mentally disturbed individual. She staled before, her ex Boss fired her for not behaving, she thinks she's SO clever all she has to do is deny and be believed, Piers has her number, he won't let her know that. I agree she is smart/cunning but she really, IMO besides trying to sue ALL the emails and letters can and will be checked out. She will trip up although she will ALWAYS blame others for her faults. The guys will continue their evaluation, I will be all ears. Everyone has their own opinions, that's fine but she knows how to con people. 🙄😳🇦🇺🐨🦘
If she is genuinely taking Netflix to court then this interview has done her no favours
Very convenient that her phone packed in just as she's about to sue someone for slander and the evidence might be on that phone . . .
As a Scottish person I can say that it would be common speak here to say ‘gave me death threats’ or ‘gave them death threats’. Definitely heard this in conversation many times and I have said it about others myself.
I didn’t even request this because I knew you’d be getting a million of them anyway. What an incredible interview to break down! Have a ball with this one, gentlemen 😂
Same, Lol I assumed this one was going to be a sure bet… just a matter of time as to when. I can’t wait!! 😅
Same here, can't wait to see what they maje of it!
Same! Figured they got bombarded with this one, so I've just been waiting. I can't wait to see which clips they've picked with SO much going on the entire interview! Thanks TBP!
Same 😂
Me too! So glad right now though 😏
"I think we're going to see a whole load of circus under this tent" - died laughing. Stealing that.
When she brought up Pierce Morgan's age my head went up almost as if she was warning him that she already knew more about him than he realized
Stalker behavior!
she's not hiding her grades, Scottish univerities give honours degrees (4 years) which are graded (1st, 2.1, 2.2 etc.) and ordinary degrees (3 years) which are not graded, she clearly says she has an ordinary degree, Piers doesn't understand the system and she is confused because she keeps telling him she got an ordinary degree and he keeps asking a question she can't possibly answer any differently. Oh and Action Man could beat GI Joe with one hand tied behind his back.
I thought that was the case. I’m not familiar with the Scottish system.
Well...her photographic memory didn't help there
My brother's 2 GI Joes could take Action Man! They were the big guys from 1960.
Six million dollar man/Steve Austin will beat them both @@karenshadle365
Thank you! A million comments explaining the packed up phone but had to scroll forever to find this.
Greg, I love what you said about Borderline Personality Disorder. My eldest daughter has been diagnosed with this & she’s definitely not broken. She was diagnosed her first year of university, but managed to get her degree & go on to get a good job. As a family we work with it, not against it because it is what it is. It’s part of her beautiful makeup, a part of her that just happened & we love her no less for it. Thank you Greg for highlighting that ❤
You looked after your daughter guided her that's how your daughter did so well bless her but this girl does not seem to have anyone no talk about parents at all xxxx
mark, you really said some powerful stuff in this one. that bit about hosing down the mentally ill for entertainment was really heavy and accurate.
Fiona doesn't seem capable of keeping track of the lies she tells. The story is constantly changing. She's never seen the show but says she seemed to have written most of it in her sleep. (BTW if the show is mostly lies how could she have written any of it in her sleep?) And she knows so much about the show. She says she's never seen the actress that plays Martha but knows her name and age? You can't google someone without seeing a picture of them. There is so much of this flip flopping. She didn't send him anything. Well maybe less than 10 emails and 1 letter. She met his only 2-3 times. Wait 6-7 times. She only met him at the pub. Oh wait, I saw one of his shows. She hardly knew him but they were friends. Yikes.
She’s seen it all. She’s probably watched the series thru a dozen times. Otherwise, how is she able to throw out adjectives like ‘misogynistic’ when describing the series? Get real, nutty.
The only person saying Fiona is Martha is Fiona herself.
The phone is 'packed up' means the phone doesn't work anymore. British vernacular.
"Packed up" was used in New Zealand too, but it would be rare to hear now, and we use different words for it. It's an age thing, I think.
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1. She isn't autistic.
2. She said no to wanting the evidence to be released
because she knows it's true.
3. She has a very high opinion of herself and I think that is why she went on the show.
4. " big green spot on his head" is the new " my dog stepped on a bee"
I thought it was interesting that she specifically denied seeing the actress but then went on to detail her hair colour, accent and age. I also thought it was kind of comical that when Piers asks about the title of the show she suggests she must have “written the show in her sleep” but then goes on to say that, yes, in fact she did call him baby reindeer.
Also confirming it's true, in my opinion lol
So she’s only met him 2 or 3 times. Yet she sends him a hand written letter, at least 10 emails, congratulates him on his show…that seems like a heck of a lot more engagement than one would expect for someone you barely know. If it walks like a duck…
It seems that Netflix lied about her being convicted of stalking , when testifying under oath before parliament. An MP is now suggested that they committed the crime of contempt of parliament and is demanding that they provide the evidence to back up their testimony. This was in the BBC. If it walks like a duck.
It makes no sense her congratulating him on his show unless she is indeed obsessed with him, ESPECIALLY since it doesn’t show her in a good light. I’m surprised she even admitted that.
Yep, she's definitely quacking!
She say at the end 5 or 6 times. Another contradiction.
When she said her phone 'packed up' thats a British colloquialism, which means it broke. Not that she packed it to move, and I'm surprised mark didn't catch that.
i think she has a lot of people confused because the 'packed up' phone mention was quickly followed by some vague statement that she was moving (house?) and these gentlemen are trying to deep dive something that may be... hidden shallows? lol - packed up' / broken versus 'packing it up' to move house
Right... but isn't it a little weird that she's talking about a phone that's no longer in use? If I told you how many phones I have, I wouldn't count the old broken one that's sitting in my closet. That's odd.
Baby Reindeer was THE BEST THING Netflix has done, great series couldn't stop watching from start to finish, didn't get dressed that day, didn't brush my hair, just vegged, ate popcorn GREAT SHOW Y'ALL
She has trouble separating truth from fantasy, that much is obvious. She really hates that actress that plays her, too. That should have been ME next to him with everyone watching!! How dare she take my place, the tramp. He has betrayed me with HER. This is all to hurt me. He will suffer, and I will get what I deserve. (She is quite scary, actually. I think she would get very angry, fast, if she spoke to Richard and the actress sitting together. We'd see the monster break out.)
Little personal detail...She has been calling a local business owner I know here in Scotland 3 times a week for the last 3 years and she has never even met this person so I have no doubt the poor woman is unwell. I do think Netflix are not covered in glory here as far as duty of care goes. She was immediately identifiable.
If I were that owner I’d use the block number facility
@@Fuggybugs I don't know why they haven't but I suspect there's been ( at a safe distance) some entertainment value from the calls!
Proof please, or I file it in the bs bin
@@maresasegura2867 I had a stalker when I was in my shop every time I started within 1 minute of my shift I’d get a call of the sexual nature . I wound him up one day and at a crucial point for him I blew a police whistle - very loud done the phone . After that I never heard from them again 😂😂
@@markspark7634 lol..The business to date has not commented on their socials publicly so I'm not naming them as I'm a customer ( not just fancying a thrice weekly 'chat'😂) If they do though I will come back and put it up here👍 Going to watch this all now. Can't wait to hear the analysis!
"I'm a year younger than you" 🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩 Piers knew he was next after that LOLOLOLOL
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how did the internet detectives find her if there is no evidence?
I think they referenced the tweets used in the show. Or looked for someone who tweeted him a lot that was similar to Martha.
She doesn't have his number or address
But she admits she had sent emails, DMs, texts and wrote him a letter. I'm confused 😕
she can’t be trusted further than she can be thrown, so…
With all the harassment of this woman, I sincerely hope she has some serious support. Ideally from some adequately experienced professional(s) and some people who genuinely care about her. I am concerned to ensure she doesn't come to some harm, either by her hand or at the hands of others.
She is lying, no one has harassed her. No one would care to harass her. She’s not important enough and she’s trying to make herself important.!
I agree OP.
Absolutely
@@maryaliceowen9165unfortunately, in the world these days, so many people see things online or in documentaries and seek out the people. Not saying she was necessarily harassed or given death threats..but it was the 'internet sleuths' who found her identity. It isn't out of the realm of possibilities is all I'm saying. Clearly, this woman is a lying liar who lies, so we don't know what is actually going on in her life...but regardless of if someone is a liar, a horrible person, or whatever no one deserves random people seeking them out for threats and harassment.
Packed up means broken permanently. It literally means packed up shop - business closed. Sometimes we'd say 'my phone's packed up', sometimes 'my phone's packed it in'. More confusingly, if you were telling two kids to stop fighting you can also say 'pack it in you two!'. True English has lots of strange little sayings.
it's a British thing to say 'it's packed up' or 'packed in' - stopped, comes from 'pack it in' meaning 'stop it' I think. Slang.
@@Jude_OutHere I'm British. That's exactly why I posted the above.
The Brit on the panel should have stopped his friend from getting that wrong.
‘Packed up’ in this context in Australia means broken or not working. It probably means the same in the UK and Scotland.
@@castlerock58 he’s kind of posh so maybe he genuinely didn’t realise what it meant.
2 minutes in and she's already lying, says she didn't watch the show but then the way she talks about it tells us that she clearly watched it
2:13:34 the grades question - in Scotland you get an “ordinary degree” which isn’t graded. It’s pass or fail, takes roughly 3 years. Then, you can do an “honours degree” by staying for an extra year which is, nowadays, the most common thing people get. That’s graded. Back when she went to university, it would have been the norm to get an ordinary degree (pass or fail) if you intended to become a practicing lawyer and only get an honours degree (graded) if you intended to become a lecturer in a specific field. You’d go straight from the ordinary degree to an apprenticeship, which was how you actually qualified. In order to get her degree, she would have had to sit exams in each of the 13 subjects she mentions and pass all of them, but there would be no overall grade for the degree itself. With this in mind, what he’s asking her is “what percentage did you get in each of your final exams/essays in those 13 subjects 40 years ago?” Source - my parents are both lawyers in their late 60s and this was the case for them.
I finished a law degree 6 months ago and can't tell you one percentage of a subject hahaha
'There's a lot of circus under this tent'. 🤣
It’s not funny to joke about this….
My new favorite expression! 🤣😂🤡
The dude just needs to release all of the voicemails and emails.
Yes, I would love to listen to it while getting ready in the morning lol
Gentlemen - as you know, Ms. Harvey has now sued Netflix for defamation and intentional infliction of emotional distress. Interestingly, the lawsuit does not deny the 41,000 emails, 106 letters, etc; it only denies her criminal conviction & imprisonment. I’d love to see your take on any further interviews or statements about this case, in addition to the Gadd interview you analyzed; e.g., the Netflix representative’s testimony to Parliament. Thanks for another great video!
Why is everyone obsessed with this woman and not the insane rapist in the video. Ive been hearing about this show for weeks and i finslly watch it and im like oh right nobody gonna mention the rapist. Leave her alone. They were in twisted situstion together.tje villain of the story is the rapist whos still out their orobably raping people.
I agree- the SA was far more important for the story as this is what started his vulnerability to his dysfunctional and dependent relationship with his stalker.
Yeah, that was so hard to watch. Omg
I am a mum to 3 daughter with ASD - and I am a mental health nurse. My daughters are brutally honest… they do not understand the ulterior motives in lying…
She appears to me like she has a borderline personality disorder - she is partially detached from reality, she is grandiose, delusional and manipulative. She uses opportunities to undermine Piers, she shows passive aggression and ‘hidden threats’ - this woman is vulnerable but so are others.
I agree. I don't think Fiona is autistic either,
Agree. You explained that well.
Agree that Fiona has a sense of grandiosity: "photographic memory," "top of my class," "they hired me away," "he wanted to sleep with me." She's her own heroine. And according to her, she doesn't lie, except to be altruistic. I think she's self congratulatory, smug, and calculating. And she keeps contradicting herself. All of which seems to be the opposite of someone with ASD.
You might have confirmation bias if you watched the Netflix show. If what she is saying proves to be true. she is not detached from reality. The UK parliament is now demanding that Netflix provide evidence to support their testimony, under oath, to a parliamentary committee that the story is true. They are alarmed that there is no record of her having a criminal record. If they can't provide the emails or evidence of her criminal record for stalking, then she will be the victim of a horrific hoax.
If you accepted the allegation that she is a convicted stalker, you might be looking for evidence of that when you are seeing a person whose life was just destroyed dealing with unbearable stress. I am open to the possibility that this is the case since one of the top lawyers in the UK has gone on record that he is putting together a team of top US and UK lawyers. No top lawyer would do that with a person who was detached from reality. Nor would they put themselves or family at risk by dealing with a convicted stalker. Him going on the record and the actions of parliament tend to support her telling the truth that she and her boyfriend are lawyers who have professional and political contacts.
@@afquan9211 Yes, definitely.
"A whole lot of circus under this tent." HAHAHAHAHA 😂
Never heard that expression before
It applies to so much happening in the world today
Small point. She didn’t say she packed her phone. She said “the other one packed up a week before moving.” ‘Packed up’ means it quit or died.
INFORMAL•BRITISH
(of a machine) break down.
"the immersion heater has packed up"
What I thought was very interesting is how she kept trying to triangulate Piers by stating that she was just a year younger than he was also how he had been accused himself of some things in the past and put on trial to some extent by the public himself. I love how piers just stayed the course and did not validate her in either instance.
It’s a little disturbing based on her past behavior
@@Lifewithpersiansagreed. She’s sick in every sense
When she said her old phone was packed up, she means it stopped working before moving, not she packed it when moving.
Thought mark would correct that
So I went onto Facebook profile and I looked at her posts. Now mind you this is definitely her real one as it is years old. On 3 May she made 116 posts which excluded posting pictures of reposts of articles/music links etc. On 2 May she made 67 posts. On 1 May she made 90 posts and on 29 April she made 76 posts. I got bored counting after that. However if you can see that over the course of four days that’s 349 posts then you can absolutely imagine how she sent somebody she is obsessed with 41k of emails!
I’ve been on her profile too - I am convinced she is a stalker, she has no insight at all about her behaviour and is justifying that behaviour to herself. She is clever, but she’s a deeply troubled individual
I have no doubt she did exactly what Richard said she did. I know that there is a note at the end of the show, that some details where made up or changed but I have no doubt she made his life hell for a number of years…
I think that she genuinely doesn’t see what she is doing. Almost like a sort of mental block she has placed over herself and this sort of obsessive compulsive behavior. A normal person who has been accused of stalking, very publicly, and sending thousands upon thousands of emails, letters, messages, voicemails etc plus the accusation of harassment of more than just the one person would look at things like how many posts on fb, X could be counted and perceived. She doesn’t appear to have this introspection. Rather it’s a lot of logorrhea!
And now her real profile is down again. She's normal. Lol
I seriously hope she sues because I want to see this court case
God I don't have enough popcorn.
I know right
her main concern doesn't seem to be debunking the show as much as it is assuring everyone she has friends
Her whole life is a drunk text to an ex. You send it, you panic, you send another. Living in that state of delulu is a whole nother kettle of unstable.
I think one of the four men misunderstood her when she said who "Packs up their phone" while moving. In British English "Packed up" means it broke... She she was saying it packed up before she moved, NOT that she packed in up in say a moving box while moving.
Yes. She meant it stopped working
Everyone should watch the next interview Piers Morgan's done with Laura Wray, the lawyer who was stalked by this woman prior to her hitting on Richard Gadd.
Oooh, hadn't heard about it. I'll head there now. Thank you!
I have a feeling Piers is going to regret giving her that free glass of water.
😂
She said she never saw the show but she's able to know what happens in the show by saying that part is true ....
‘There is a lot of circus under this tent’ 😂! Keep bringing them Greg!
Ironically I believe Fiona says this on one of her Fb posts too. lol
I'm Scottish and in the Scottish school system at that time we would have taken Highers (a bit like A levels) and Sixth Year Studies (SYS - which are a bit higher than A levels) and the numbers of those she sat would have been normal. With the degree - if you only complete the first three years of a degree, you receive an ordinary degree and it doesn't have a grade - its just a pass, you need to sit your final Honours year to get a grade (1st, 2:1 etc...) Hope that helps :-)
The actress who plays Martha plays her with a sympathetic side. She's brilliant acting with her eyes. At times you feel bad for her, like when she gets up and sings "Something Stupid" and doesn't realize Gadd is picking on her. The real Martha, Fiona, doesn't seem to have that, or she certainly hasn't displayed a tender side in her public appearances. She seems exceedingly haughty and very cruel.
Then she had the gall to make fun of the actress's appearance. She's beautiful which is more than I can say about Fiona
If you’ve seen Fiona Harvey’s Facebook posts, which are all over the place since this blew up, it’s pretty clear that she’s a narcissist. She’s posted several messages ‘men either fancy me or they’re gay’. There’s a boat for every dock but in this case the harbours empty.
@@veronicavatter6436 I totally agree. The actress has a sweet attractiveness that Ms Harvey completely lacks
When she says "the phone packed up" that phrase means that it broke
I could be wrong, but when Fiona refers to her good mobile phone as having 'packed up' (i heard 'packed in'), in the UK this can mean broken rather than packed away into storage.
Edit. Just listened again. She said 'packed up', but in the context of 'my fridge packed up'. As in, it broke.
Just the comment she made about him being obsessed with her just because he butted in on the conversation shows that she thought there was something more personal going on than there really is. He was a bartender, it's his job to butt in and make conversation and get an order!!
Very good point! She things that really are not there.
I bet she catfishes. The only reason to have multiple emails and phones would be if she was either stalking more people than we know or she catfishes. Jmo.
she did...she stalked the politician(s) and bombarded them, too
‘Packed up’ is a phrase for broken, not literally that her phone has been packed away.
I agree. Being from the NE of Scotland, I can vouch for you on that. I think other parts of the UK also use this phrasal verb (and "packed in") to mean broken. (btw Mark, Aberdeenshire is NE...she's from the Central Belt which is further south like Edinburgh, Fife, Dundee).
I worked at the pub where they met, about 10 years before. My friend and I used to joke that there must have been a map on how to get to the pub from a hospital for mental illness. If you knew the characters that frequented that pub you would not be surprised that a delusional person like this would have been in there.
lol You should write a book.
@@angelapuckett4932 it's true! I have soooo many stories about the people who came to that pub. I tell people all the time but never thought of writing it down!
Sounds like an average pub lol.
It's a pub thing. Definitely
Few interesting bits of comment trivia here based on the interiew I picked up after watching the series and being fascinated like most people who was the telling the truth.
1) When she says her other phone 'packed up' I think that British term was misunderstood by by Greg as literally packed away. What she meant is busted/no longer working. Now that's interesting, maybe it is or maybe it gives her plausible deniability and cover so if they did ask to look at her phone, she can present the one with 10-20 messages on rather than the one with 41,000 on.
2) She did indeed sign all her messages with 'Sent by iPhone' even though she never owned or used one. And I think she actually typed that at the end of messages as in some of her messages it was mispelled or done differently. Why would she do that? I guess vanity to make it look like she owned a more expensive iphone, or again, as a stalker, plausible deniability...I don't own an iphone so you made these messages not me.
3) I did extensive research on Fiona a deep dive into her background and life. She was a prolific stalker and harasser of people. Her ex-employer she would leave up to 180 voice mail/answering machine messages a day. She sent 100's of e-amails to the leader of the Labour Party and other political people after she fail to win an MP seat and they kind of distanced themselves from her. Her ex-employer ended up taking a court injunction out against her to stop the harassment that persisted for 5 years.
4) Even when Baby Reindeer aired and after she appeared on Piers Morgan and the whole thing blew up she was posting on Facebook dozens and dozens of messages a day to herself, just like rants and attacks on the guy who made the series, people in the pub he worked, her ex-employer, people sending her hate messages, Piers Morgan, everyone. Some of the rant messages were a bit bizarrre and border-line delusional but I guess she was under tremendous stress from all the attention.
5) After she announced Netflix had committed defammation and slander by calling her a convicted stalker who did 4 months in prison she got a Barrister and they announced Netflix was being sued for £10 million and Piers Morgan for £1 million. At this point, Parliament got involved and summoned Netflix to a Parliamentary Committee Hearing as the whole thing at first didn't sit right with people a potentially vulnerable woman with mental health issues possibly exploited in such a terrible way. Netflix executive turned up with their lawyers and defended the series and said it was absolutely all true but failed to provide any material evidence supporting the criminal conviction or prison time and nobody as far as I know has ever found any evidence of that. I looked extensively in my usual sources and couldn't any evidence so I don't think that part is true and may have been done deliberately to invite publicity/a lawsuit because Netflix presented each episode as 'This is a true story' which suggests 100% factually accurate but then at the end put a small print disclaimer saying 'some of the details changed to protect identities and the series is based on true events'.
6) It turns out hardly anything Fiona said on Piers Morgan was true, allegedly and I found a lot of evidence to support that too. For example she claimed to be a lawyer on Piers show but on checking I found she never completed her training or took her bar exam and got invited onto the bar as a licensed practising lawyer. She had a law degree that much is true but she never has had a career in law as a lawyer and didn't complete her internship training or bar exam to qualify.
Thanks for this! What an interesting case this is.
I thought it was really funny how many times Pierce asked her what marks she got in her law classes and she dodged for as long as she could before saying she didn't remember (but she has a photographic memory). I think his team had already looked into it and knew she never did any of it, so he really probed on things that people could look into and see her wiggle about them.
There are two people who seem to have evidence that Fiona Harvey was convicted of stalking police. Google Heather Burns and Rob McDowell. Heather was stalked by Fiona and a good friend of Rob’s was stalked too. This was a long time ago but they state that she harassed the police and has a conviction.
Shes got a photographic memory but cant recall if shes got 4 emails or 6 😅😅😅
And don’t forget it also refuses to “photograph” any science 🔬
They should do Richard Gadd as well, she’s not the only one that the elevator doesn’t go all the way to the top
deffo something wrong with that dude too
Diff is he admits it.
But he admits he's F'd up? He did NOT portray himself in a good light during the series lo.
Yes fair point
If he lied about her being convicted, he might well have lied about the rest. Many authors use people they know at work or in bars as the basis for their characters. They then write their story about the character being a spy or a murderer. That may have happened here and the thing that went wrong is that Gaad never thought it could be traced back to her or the man who was accused of raping him. Gaad is freaking out about this. Did he want to protect her or is he afraid to be caught in a hoax?
The digression into action figures was hilarious.
We need to go deeper into GI Joe vs his cousin from the UK.
They DO have better X Men, but they’re still all X Men.
Check timestamp on 51:50 !!!! Her crazy is at Screaming volumes!!! The sudden shift from laughing to still with the eyes on camera. Creepy AS HELL!
Mark nails it when speaks about using mental illness for entertainment. Pierce shouldn’t have done this interview.
Piers does them for the numbers...he was very toned down with her. I watch him every day and he's much harsher, normally
I love Marks comment on the ethics surrounding her and whether or not in fact she’s being exploited for entertainment. So spot on.
And yet she caused incredible harm ,Gad became fixated on her and that is a part of trauma bonding ,the need to know WHY ? is a part of the human condition ,she caused massive harm to many people and stalking is terrifying for people yes we should have empathy but she is sane ,and highly manipulative ,we interview serial killers and yet one could argue they are the most insane of all yet we cannot bear to see them a s human so we we ignore the fact they they are suffering from an obsessional disorder of extreme violence and martha'sis no different albeit she does twist to cause physical harm hers and this e like her cause great psychological harm that can break people as we saw it happen in the drama .
She doesn’t fancy little boys without jobs. But she met him at his job…?? She’s trying to make it that service workers aren’t workers?
No, she means that he didn’t have what some people call a proper job. Meaning, he was working in the pub to just get by until he made it as a comedian. A lot of people work in bars and shops ect whilst studying. Not wanting to take anything away from these workers as a job is a job.
She was a lawyer and he was an aspiring comic working odd jobs. Women tend to be interested in men with the same or higher education and income. It is not an odd thing for her to think. A lot has been written on how this fact about female psychology is affecting the dating pool as more women are going to university than men. She says her boyfriend is a fellow lawyer.
Service workers aren’t workers
She later disses him for not having a job in current times…. Right after dissing him for making millions off Baby Reindeer.
Netflix is fine with putting out content that isn't true even as "documentaries".
Never seen these guys before. They are good at picking apart her lies and avoidance. Good work panel
Yes they are.
You are missing a lot of good content.
While attempting to deny being a stalker, Fiona displays Martha's EXACT behavior-patterns. Her ACTIONS betray her words. We are observing, in real time, what Richard Gadd experienced in Baby Reindeer.
No, what you’re observing, is the actual real person the character in the show was based on
You understand what an actor does right?
The writer/director tells the actor who they play the character and that way we can make film and stuff without the original people in them
So a professional actor being told by someone who has met Fiona, to “act” like Fiona, ie, speech, accent, movements, gestures, mannerisms etc is just that
It does not for one second mean you’re suddenly an expert psychologist
It means you’re seeing the woman the character is based on
It doesn’t mean any of the rest of the story is true
I mean, anyone could find an actor that looks like you, get them to dress like you act like you, talk like you, then shoot a movie that claims you were a serial killer
When people then look at you, do they see “the serial killer” because that’s the role the actor paid to act like you played and it’s what people saw
Or are you still just normal old you that someone has made a movie about?
Does it make any of the claims about you in the film true because the casting team were good or the actors were good?
She is preparing to sue Netflix and Gaad. She seems to be represented by one of the top lawyers in the UK, a KC. That lawyer has told the press he is putting together a team of top UK and US lawyers to sue Netflix and Gaad. She has also convinced at least one MP that a Netflix executive lied under oath to a parliamentary committee. He is now demanding evidence from Netflix that they did not commit contempt of parliament. These are not the actions of a stalker.
The MP told the BBC that nobody can find any record of the criminal conviction that Netflix testified was true. Getting these actions from parliament and a top lawyer, are not the acts of a convicted stalker. In fact, neither a top lawyer or MP would have anything to do with a convicted stalker. Her only mistake was not to go on Piers's show with her lawyer. She will probably not repeat that mistake. Not many mentally ill stalkers would have an MP telling the BBC that Netflix may be guilty of contempt of parliament in the first few days of fighting back. No MP would do that if he wasn't sure Netflix lied.
That interview did her absolutely no favours at all
@MrMuckymouse Yes. I am confused why you have stated the obvious, here. My point is that Fiona's interview seems to validate Richard Gadd's experience and creative work relaying that experience. Baby Reindeer is a *dramatic* *reenactment* of a "true story." I was an acting/theatre major at a prestigious conservatory. Jessica's performance is brilliant. I will be applauding her when she wins the Emmy. I intend to be there to congratulate her, a fellow theatre actor, who deserves to be showered with accolades -- and her choice of future roles.
@@castlerock58I have to agree to disagree. I think it's entirely possible that she hoodwinked the MP. She is a sociopath. She loved the attention of being interviewed by Piers Morgan. Look at people like Alex Murdaugh and Donald Trump. They were able to fool lots of people.
My former husband had several email addresses. He had software that let him manage them all in one place. Eventually I concluded that if a bloke has several email addresses, he’s likely doing something dodgy!
Stay twisted, sister
Aaand did he?
I'm autistic and I have no issue saying it when I believe other people are too - even when they're vies negatively. For example, I'm absolutely sure that Paul Fergusson is autistic. But I did not get any autism vibes from this lady here. Often we can "feel" it in others because their brains work more like ours than neurotypicals, but of course not all autistic people have the same presentation.
“ gave me “ is a dialect thing. I’m in ireland and we say “you gave me a fright”.
There's no way she hasn't watched the show.
I found it interesting that not only did she know how old Piers Morgan is but she had watched his "Women behind Bars" serial killer series.
She seems to stalk anyone and everyone she interacts with or will
Hello Fiona 👋... we KNOW you're here, reading comments, looking for support.
😬 not gonna happen from me
😂
Either she has the worst luck in the world to have had all these people falsely accusing her or she is the problem?!
If someone Scottish says “packed up” it means that it’s broken - “my phone has packed up” = “my phone is broken” My car has packed up = my car has broken down
"Packed in" here in Lanarkshire in Scotland, packed up is like packed cases for a holiday. Everywhere is a bit different though.
“Some of the death threats have been horrible.”? I guess the remainder were simply delightful.
. . . but all of them have been imaginary.
Credible ones are a lot worse than prank ones from teenagers. I have had both kinds. Some are annoying and others are terrifying if you don't have a gun to protect yourself and your family. Having an adult male threaten to kill you after saying they are the one who left a dead animal at your door is a lot worse than a teenager's voice not connected to proof they have been to your home. This would not occur to a halfwit. When the police tell you the call came from a payphone near where a political extremist group was meeting, that qualifies as horrible.
For someone who profess' to have a photographic memory she has sure forgotten about a lot of things.
“Packed up” means something has broken, in the uk
Packed in is more likely
Great show. When she said her phone packed up a week before moving, it was not that she packed it but that it stopped working.
I'm Scottish and I went to the University of Glasgow. To become a lawyer, you need to do an LLB degree. Why didn't she say she had an LLB? Did she forget what it was called? Also, I wonder why she only did the 3-year Ordinary degree and didn't stay on to do her final Honours year. Most law students do the full 4-year Honours degree. Competition for jobs, traineeships, etc. is very high. So someone with just an Ordinary degree isn't going to get very far. Is she a Walter Mitty character? Are we going to find out she's not a lawyer at all and has been living a fantasy life?
I’m from Aberdeen and I would say you are spot on. She either failed miserably and didn’t get to continue on to do honours and it’s all a figment of her imagination.
When she says that her phone "packed up" just before moving, she means that the phone broke down and was not working. It does not mean she put it away. A misunderstanding of expressions , there.
This woman is probably guilty of at least 50% of what she is accused.
"Packed Up" In our area of Scotland, means the phone has died, has broken.
Im not sticking up for her, but I immediately knew thats what she meant.
Haha I was just coming here to make that comment!
You’re right. I didn’t quite understand what they were getting at till you pointed out their misinterpretation of the cultural interpretation of the language.
In Australia we would understand this term too.
Nz too.
Some in all of uk, Mark should know that.
I have a feeling Piers has already seen the evidence.
Same. You can tell by his facial expression, although it’s subtle.
Well she certainly did her homework on Piers, if I was him I'd be worried!