@@DarkShadow775 It was Micah, micah actually told them about the ferry. I'm pretty sure Arthur and Hosea had a different plan, but micah manipulated dutch.
@@McNeill2425I noticed Arthur coughing or atleast trying not to by clearing his throat during the Strauss loansharking cutscene in chapter 4 telling you who needs to pay off their debt
D.C.DAREALEST no not really. After the black water job it was a whole mess, but they still stocked together and were making the best outta things. They still cared for each other, fought for each other, robbed together, some missions were successful, some went wrong. After Hosea died though, everything went to shit. Dutch completely changed, they didn’t put much effort into saving one another, there were rats, kept making mistakes that got them into worse trouble until later the end they broke off. Hosea was the one that held the gang together.
@@chasevids14 it was a big event, however, the gang eventually got back on their feet. The bank robbery in Saint Denis is what started the fall of the gang
Honestly I can't express how happy it makes me that now people are posting red dead again, like on the subreddit so many people are posting beautiful pieces from the photomode
Have you seen Guarma? Looks amazing. Too bad they wasted the potential for the Island they should have made it more free roam with mystery and easter egg stuff to find just like in the main map. Instead they gave us this beautiful and unique jungle that you aren't even allowed to explore. Plus the whole sequence of being on the island felt super random. Like I was watching an episode of Lost.
At the beginning of the mission, you can see that Micah was stressed, he actually wanted the heist to be a success because he was still confident in Dutch. After Guarma, he just tried to save his own skin by selling the rest of the gang.
@Slickbait isn't it obvious? The Gang killed Bronte (aka the most powerful man in lemonyne) so the Pinkertons linked his death to Dutch's gang because every time something big like a shootout happend Dutch's gang was responsible for it so when they killed bronte they assumed it was the van der linde gang who did it
Most stupid bank robbery ever. Why try and pull it off when you killed Bronte and had only recently pulled off a trolley robbery in the major city of the map especially was the man who had ties to the law? John was the only one with brains in this occasion. He knew it was an awful mistake. Bill Williamsons robbery in Valentine makes me think that he was better at planning than Dutch was. The gang overall was awful at lying low and keeping itself out of unnecessary trouble.
Hyperion Arthur had sense too but he was just holding out because he still had some type of faith in Dutch Arthur’s journal explains a lot tbh and back in chapter 2 Arthur was already beginning to lose faith in Dutch
He would have needed to smash that window first. And even if you do kill milton instantly, Hosea would be caught in the crossfire of the battle between the pinkertons and the 'failed plans gang'
The best way is to throw dynamite before climbing over the short wall. The dynamite will blow the 2 feds up and then Lenny will get whacked by the West Elizabeth sniper
Considering we know Molly lied about snitching, and that it wasn't Micah because this was pre-Guarma? It's implied that the Pinkertons just got lucky because the gang was sloppy. The more I watch this scene the more I believe that. I think it was actually Bill's fault that the gang was found out. He has arguably the most recognizable mug out of the entire gang. He's a heavy set guy, tall, receding hairline, full beard and to top it off he's just standing around in Saint Denis (sticking near the bank) with a rifle in hand and heavy bags over his shoulder while wearing a suit. I think he was recognized because as usual, he did something stupid without considering the consequences.
That’s exactly what happened. Dutch deciding to get in with Bronte and then opting to kill him was simply a high profile move that drew way too much attention. Course the Pinkertons were on their trail the minute they robbed Cornwallis train.
They fucked up by killing Bronte. During that mission, when you're leaving the mansion, the cops immediately recognize you as Arthur Morgan, so it wouldn't be far fetched for them to have recognized everyone else, including Dutch (Another thing worth noting is Dutch, being the gullible narcissist he is, gave Bronte his, Arthur's and John's REAL NAMES upon meeting him). The Pinkertons caught wind of the crime, and, upon questioning the local law, they found out Dutch was the one to do it. Afterwards, they began patrolling the perimeter with Milton, who knew that Bronte was either kidnapped for ransom or killed for a future robbery due to his influence on the law in the city, which the Pinkertons knew the gang was aware of due to their raid on the trolley station and the subsequent massacre. I'll give some credit to your theory, Williamson WAS in the Mayor's party and could have potentially slipped up and said something he shouldn't have. However, I think the Pinkertons simply waited for something suspicious to occur after Bronte was kidnapped and then, after Hosea and Abigail caused a literal explosion, they rushed the wagon and caught Hosea, who didn't run, either thinking he'd Hosea himself out of it (mistaking them for regular law to then realize it was Milton and his men) or intentionally sacrificing himself to save Abigail, just to then be interrogated at gunpoint about what the rest of the gang were doing. It'd explain why Abigail's nowhere to be seen, why the Pinkertons were there in the first place and how they knew exactly where Van der Linde was.
I always believed Bill was responsible for Sean’s death. I know Arthur and burnt down the Grays tobacco fields. But Bill kept saying how he was drinking with the grays and getting information out of them. I can’t help but think he might’ve gotten so drunk he let it slip out about the gang plans on manipulating the two families.
The only thing I don’t like about RDR2 is the lack of decisions, like it was in GTA V (silent or loud attempt) and depending on which way you choose you save or lose one of your gang member AND in the end in Beaver Hollow there could be John, Lenny, Sean, Hosea and Kieran along with Arthur just before the Pinkertons arrival..
But in GTA V, any lost heist members were just "generic goons", as Trevor would call them, so if they died, it only cost you a small fraction of the takings. Here in RDR2, these are established characters who all have a significant role in the story. When they die, that effects where the story goes. If Lenny, Sean, Hosea, and Kieran had been at Beaver Hollow, things would have been very different.
The perfection of this mission as they describe it as a massacre like black water. The music and the gunshots and even when they get onto the roof there are still gun shots all over the place there was nothing they could do
Rockstar absolutely nailed the intensity and chaos of this mission. As bullets wizz through the windows and both sides are yelling commands to their men. Small lore rich comments like "this is worse than blackwater" by Bill and Dutch asking if Arthur is still alive make this mission so impactful
3:45 john says “shit, Abigail…” First time I played the game I was thinking it’s like “shit they catch her…” but playing the game a few times it’s sounds more like “shit, she snitch on us…” I think Abigail really talked too Milton so she could have a way out for a new life with jack…
Why couldn't rockstar make Read Dead Redemption 2 the first game? Back in 2010, I am now 10 years later playing RD1. Which makes more sense of the story.
Balkancuga Not the at all, sure there are expensive gaming PCs out their but you can build a Gaming PC that has better specs than a xbox one x and PS4 Pro.
many dont know this but two missions before this when they robbed the trolley and after that the train crashed futch hurted his head witch lead to all this so this is probably crazy to say but it's Arthur's fault
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Very sad when Hosea died. He is the reason that Dutch descended into madness. Lenny was a fine person. They are buried together
Phoenix Capricorn nah Dutch was already going crazy, that’s why the whole Blackwater situation even happened. He was just slowly unraveling over time.
Stizzy Tony what about Micah?
I think he was as manipulative snake using and misguideing lost children for his personal gain. Just took this long for him to stop caring
@@DarkShadow775 It was Micah, micah actually told them about the ferry. I'm pretty sure Arthur and Hosea had a different plan, but micah manipulated dutch.
etdrwho I think he meant Dutch went crazy fully because Hosea wasn’t around to be Dutch’s words of guidance anymore
Bill yelling "this is worse than Blackwater!" Is an underrated moment
It's a really cool addition
It gives a pretty good idea how hectic Blackwater was especially since they probably didn’t have as much cover as they do in the bank
This is when you start noticing Arthur's coughing
@@McNeill2425I noticed Arthur coughing or atleast trying not to by clearing his throat during the Strauss loansharking cutscene in chapter 4 telling you who needs to pay off their debt
This was the beginning of the end for the Van Der Linde gang
The blackwater job was
D.C.DAREALEST no not really. After the black water job it was a whole mess, but they still stocked together and were making the best outta things. They still cared for each other, fought for each other, robbed together, some missions were successful, some went wrong. After Hosea died though, everything went to shit. Dutch completely changed, they didn’t put much effort into saving one another, there were rats, kept making mistakes that got them into worse trouble until later the end they broke off. Hosea was the one that held the gang together.
DChief94 I agree that a lot of tiny things had an effect on Dutch, but don’t you think Hosea’s death was the last straw?
@@chasevids14 it was a big event, however, the gang eventually got back on their feet. The bank robbery in Saint Denis is what started the fall of the gang
Nah, they just focused on train robberies instead after that until Cornwall came after them in Valentine
Hosea is already old, but lenny he is too young to rest.
He was only 19 years old, poor boy :'(
Rutilio Perez wow only 19 that’s even more sad
Literally Micah’s reaction was “Hosea was old and sick, he is going to die anyways, and Lenny, well, you know what they say about pride before a fall”
You can see that RDR2 is a masterpiece because everybody can remember the character-deaths in that game.
Honestly I can't express how happy it makes me that now people are posting red dead again, like on the subreddit so many people are posting beautiful pieces from the photomode
Have you seen Guarma? Looks amazing. Too bad they wasted the potential for the Island they should have made it more free roam with mystery and easter egg stuff to find just like in the main map. Instead they gave us this beautiful and unique jungle that you aren't even allowed to explore. Plus the whole sequence of being on the island felt super random. Like I was watching an episode of Lost.
Bro Im on chapter 6 now pc i dont owe any consoles so keep e'm coming i dont wanna feel left out
@@ryman1933felt like it was some unfinished dlc or cut content
At the beginning of the mission, you can see that Micah was stressed, he actually wanted the heist to be a success because he was still confident in Dutch. After Guarma, he just tried to save his own skin by selling the rest of the gang.
@Slickbait because that was the only chance for the gang to disappear so they defended it
I don’t think he was talking to them already
@Slickbait milton mentioned he picked him up after guerma
@Slickbait isn't it obvious? The Gang killed Bronte (aka the most powerful man in lemonyne) so the Pinkertons linked his death to Dutch's gang because every time something big like a shootout happend Dutch's gang was responsible for it so when they killed bronte they assumed it was the van der linde gang who did it
he was talking since blackwater
@@ilikepigeons6101 you believe milton?the man who killed hosea and is a complete moron?
John: God dammit, I knew this was a bad idea
*Half a second later*
Dutch: I got an idea
Dutch always has a plan.
rip Hosea Matthews
rip Lenny Summers
Michals the rat
@@Jaye.S95
Btw micha ratted the gang from returning from guarma
rip van der linde gang
Ameen Alnaimi no probably he know dutchs bounty and joined the gang get money betray dutch
How can you Read this there’s no picture Bigfoot but he joined the gang before blackwater Heist, so the Dutch’s bounty aint so big
When I got to this mission and the music started kicking in, I thought “We’re fucked, this is it”
And then boom! Shipwrecked in another country
(SP)10 heist members: failure to rob the bank
(Online)3 to 5 heist members: successful robbery
Well the heists in online aren't setups
well in online ur not one of them most wanted men robbing a state national bank
Arthur: They knew we were coming. Just like your Ferry Job in Blackwater.
Micah: It ain't nothing like that.
Arthur: Uh-huh!!
"Fairy job" 🧚♀️
Most stupid bank robbery ever. Why try and pull it off when you killed Bronte and had only recently pulled off a trolley robbery in the major city of the map especially was the man who had ties to the law? John was the only one with brains in this occasion. He knew it was an awful mistake. Bill Williamsons robbery in Valentine makes me think that he was better at planning than Dutch was. The gang overall was awful at lying low and keeping itself out of unnecessary trouble.
GunnerGameReviewer22
Hosea also didn’t like these things either. He and John are the only people with sense
Hyperion Arthur had sense too but he was just holding out because he still had some type of faith in Dutch Arthur’s journal explains a lot tbh and back in chapter 2 Arthur was already beginning to lose faith in Dutch
Ikr, the Pinkertons knew their what their next target was, they should have just done some robberies up north then did the bank.
@@hyperion3145 the bank was Hoseas idea btw
The valentine bank was Karen's idea but Bill's plans
"Folks like this, they stole what this country could've been"
Fucking love this line
I love how this mindset was retconned properly for RDR1, especially with Dutch bringing in Natives for his gang
9:00 fun fact about lenny's death:
When you only shoot one pinkerton, lenny will kill the other one. (Pay attention very carefully to lenny's holster)
It's nice to know that Dutch knows the value of Hosea to the gang and to himself when Hosea died.
Hosea forever in our hearts
1:36 the cough from Arthur Morgan is a sign that Tuberculosis is starting to kill him.
It began to take its toll on me feller
His early sign was in chapter 2 at the end
The first signs occur at the very beginning of "The New South" when he speaks to Dutch
@@armplanet7524 Not yet tho...TB effects slowly, not fast like that
@@fredcheckam there is a Ravier house roberry before that, that’s Arthur’s first TB couch
John: "Goddamn it! I said this was a bad idea."
Dutch: "Hold them back, I've got an IDEA"
John: 😑
Lmao
Micah : I ain't finished my buisness with the Pinkertons yet
Arthur : What ?
Micah : What ?
@@OutCast907 actually🤓 Micah ratted them out after Guarma
I like when they're on the boat, going over their big failed heist, and Dutch says, "that wasn't good." Arthur should have said, "no shit, Sherlock."
I could have used my dead eye and saved him.....GOT DAMMIT!!!
He would have needed to smash that window first. And even if you do kill milton instantly, Hosea would be caught in the crossfire of the battle between the pinkertons and the 'failed plans gang'
The best way is to throw dynamite before climbing over the short wall. The dynamite will blow the 2 feds up and then Lenny will get whacked by the West Elizabeth sniper
Considering we know Molly lied about snitching, and that it wasn't Micah because this was pre-Guarma? It's implied that the Pinkertons just got lucky because the gang was sloppy. The more I watch this scene the more I believe that. I think it was actually Bill's fault that the gang was found out. He has arguably the most recognizable mug out of the entire gang. He's a heavy set guy, tall, receding hairline, full beard and to top it off he's just standing around in Saint Denis (sticking near the bank) with a rifle in hand and heavy bags over his shoulder while wearing a suit.
I think he was recognized because as usual, he did something stupid without considering the consequences.
That’s exactly what happened. Dutch deciding to get in with Bronte and then opting to kill him was simply a high profile move that drew way too much attention. Course the Pinkertons were on their trail the minute they robbed Cornwallis train.
They fucked up by killing Bronte. During that mission, when you're leaving the mansion, the cops immediately recognize you as Arthur Morgan, so it wouldn't be far fetched for them to have recognized everyone else, including Dutch (Another thing worth noting is Dutch, being the gullible narcissist he is, gave Bronte his, Arthur's and John's REAL NAMES upon meeting him). The Pinkertons caught wind of the crime, and, upon questioning the local law, they found out Dutch was the one to do it. Afterwards, they began patrolling the perimeter with Milton, who knew that Bronte was either kidnapped for ransom or killed for a future robbery due to his influence on the law in the city, which the Pinkertons knew the gang was aware of due to their raid on the trolley station and the subsequent massacre.
I'll give some credit to your theory, Williamson WAS in the Mayor's party and could have potentially slipped up and said something he shouldn't have. However, I think the Pinkertons simply waited for something suspicious to occur after Bronte was kidnapped and then, after Hosea and Abigail caused a literal explosion, they rushed the wagon and caught Hosea, who didn't run, either thinking he'd Hosea himself out of it (mistaking them for regular law to then realize it was Milton and his men) or intentionally sacrificing himself to save Abigail, just to then be interrogated at gunpoint about what the rest of the gang were doing. It'd explain why Abigail's nowhere to be seen, why the Pinkertons were there in the first place and how they knew exactly where Van der Linde was.
I always believed Bill was responsible for Sean’s death. I know Arthur and burnt down the Grays tobacco fields. But Bill kept saying how he was drinking with the grays and getting information out of them. I can’t help but think he might’ve gotten so drunk he let it slip out about the gang plans on manipulating the two families.
Micah: this better work
John: looks like there's law on the otherside
Dutch: try to have faith john
Me wtf?
GOD this game is like a movie! Pure art!
Even better ❤
9:12 I guess Bill and Micah are the most selfish ones
And Dutch's devious ass
The only thing I don’t like about RDR2 is the lack of decisions, like it was in GTA V (silent or loud attempt) and depending on which way you choose you save or lose one of your gang member AND in the end in Beaver Hollow there could be John, Lenny, Sean, Hosea and Kieran along with Arthur just before the Pinkertons arrival..
But in GTA V, any lost heist members were just "generic goons", as Trevor would call them, so if they died, it only cost you a small fraction of the takings. Here in RDR2, these are established characters who all have a significant role in the story. When they die, that effects where the story goes. If Lenny, Sean, Hosea, and Kieran had been at Beaver Hollow, things would have been very different.
@@ExplorerDS6789 yeah and not to mention, half the gang needs to live on to appear in red dead 1
killing hosea was a sin
I always liked that shot at 6:17
4:35 is when I lost it and went all out
Love all of these fancy and elegant outfits they were wearing during this mission. They're seriously drippy.
The perfection of this mission as they describe it as a massacre like black water. The music and the gunshots and even when they get onto the roof there are still gun shots all over the place there was nothing they could do
Rockstar absolutely nailed the intensity and chaos of this mission. As bullets wizz through the windows and both sides are yelling commands to their men. Small lore rich comments like "this is worse than blackwater" by Bill and Dutch asking if Arthur is still alive make this mission so impactful
"No HUD" Sees Subtitles...
No clean guns too as well
😭Hosea and Lenny didn’t deserve to die😭they were both kind hearted people 💔💔 rest in peace
After Dutch banged his head in the trolley station robbery then when Hosea died he lost the plot
After this mission, everything turns to shit
4:43 My and everyone else’s reaction.
9:12 Well I guess Micah and Bill are the most selfish members of the gang
People said Micah ratted about the bank robbery but it was actually Dutch causing too much heat going after bronte
Finally someone who understands the story
The ambient chatter of the Pinkertons is honestly underrated
Man this is the most Wild Bunch shootout in this game.
on ps4 it took me 2 months to get into this mission
It grinds my gears to see that the revolver isnt clean
One Day I Was Watching A Another Video Of This Mission And When Dutch Would Call Arthur's Name And Arthur Didn't Respond To Dutch He Will Get Mad
3:45 john says “shit, Abigail…”
First time I played the game I was thinking it’s like “shit they catch her…” but playing the game a few times it’s sounds more like “shit, she snitch on us…” I think Abigail really talked too Milton so she could have a way out for a new life with jack…
true
Oh my god! They killed Lenny!
You bastards
Perkaholic 🤘🤣 Thank you
“someone must’ve squealed “
*micah inside* : 🙂
4:27 Again..
Damm Pinkertons!
Stay alert there Javier
@@sean7940 Okay..
Javier Escuella rest up we need you strong
@@sean7940 Hello, old friend.
Colm ODriscoll What are we doin here colm? Is this thing over?
*gets angry in 4k*
Lenny Death was Tragic
"this is worse than blackwater"
-bill
Dutch’s rage in this scene
Probably the best mission in the game if we talk about structure of the mission
Lenny didn't even get a cutscene, just shot mid-misson and left behind😢
"This is worse than Blackwater!"
bro need to cleaned that gun
There’s different cutscenes and dialogue in the pc version
yeah dutch actually cusses on the ps4 version when Lenny gets killed.
Ay thanks i needed this for my edit
0:06 probably same shit he said at blackwater
Why couldn't rockstar make Read Dead Redemption 2 the first game? Back in 2010, I am now 10 years later playing RD1. Which makes more sense of the story.
What do you mean?
Red __ RDR2 is a prequel to Red dead redemption
@@ryanrowdon6019 yeah, I know, I just realised what he meant
its called a prequel and the most successful series’s have prequels.
Now I can watch Hosea die in 4K 😔
You can a year ago on X1X.
Paul Gauguin 😂
@@paulgauguin7730 Dont forget that X1X is a 400-500$ system lmao and a pc is 3000$+
Balkancuga Not the at all, sure there are expensive gaming PCs out their but you can build a Gaming PC that has better specs than a xbox one x and PS4 Pro.
@@jakecommonty2042 Nah
Such a mistake and if Dutch was a good leader he would know this is stupid.
Tf up already
More like if Arthur used dead eye Hosea wouldn’t of been killed
Dog i was 2 blunts in when i was up 3am playing this on my ps4 and man i bawled my eyes out like a bitch because they killed my bois lenny and hosea.
lol bill and Micah in a suit
Hosea’s death is ultimately what lead to the gang’s downfall.
Is just me or lenny about cry when he said hosea,they kill hosea or just me?
Poor Lenny
Lenny doesn't even get a cutscene 😞
Looks amazing
am i the only one that keeps my guns clean lol
You're not the only one...
Great video
many dont know this but two missions before this when they robbed the trolley and after that the train crashed futch hurted his head witch lead to all this so this is probably crazy to say but it's Arthur's fault
Aryan Nagibi to be fair Dutch and Hosea talked about this before the trolley heist but yeah arthur isn’t the brightest
where the gang died 😔
I had to click off when Hosea and Lenny died
Just in case your wondering I am still alive I played dead
Hosea where have you been all this time?
get vibe checked I got the Blackwater money with two bottles of wine and then I lived in Tahiti
@@fizz6266 hi hosea
I did this with dual M1899s and it was hella fun
is he using any graphic mods ?
why these characters faces are bright
Why can’t we robe all the bank volts??? Only one!!!
Неплох, даже если на экране точечку пометил.
Why they didn't hostage anyone to get out
I think this is how they rob es the bank in black water
Why's it called a national bank when Lemoyne's a state, not a nation?
cuz people from other states can use it? Idk tho
mm, well, you took damage
They killed the best ones during this mission 😢
This is not the mission come with special edition for pc right?
wow it does look really good!
NO!!! LENNY!!!!!
YOU KILLED HOSEA YOU BASTARDS, RAMPAGE TIME!
This is one of the few games where I'll have to say I prefer it in 30fps
....
The gameplay can stay in 60fps, but the cutscenes in 30fps is much better, makes it feel more movielike.
@@deadrock1678 60 for read dead feels too 'game' like imo, but maybe if you are a pc player its what you are used to
May I get the info of your Revolver?
the rip mission
How come the prompts are xbox controls?
He is using an xbox controller for his pc
@@HectorSalamanca69 i see
What is the song name at the end?
Pivotal ..
4:26
WHY!?
Lennyyyyy =/ Hoseaaaa =((((
Ur specs?
specs?
Fs in the chat for Hosea.
Where it all goes to shit 😡😡😡😡😡