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I love seeing how people live in other countries and in different eras. I live in the US and was born in 1970. This looked very much like my grandparents' apartment when i was young. The decor is dated, probably from 1950s through the 70s. When you look at it through the lens of 2024, of course it looks shabby. But I can see how, back in its day, it was considered quite fashionable. I loved the chandelier! ❤ Thanks so much for this glimpse into another time and place! 😊
It's certainly rough around the edges, but lived in. There is some beauty in its simplicity or efficiency. Thank you for the English commentary! It is natural and authentic sounding.
Hello! Thanks so much for your helpful comment-it really means a lot to us to know how the translation sounds to our viewers. We’d love to hear any other feedback you have too. Hope you’re enjoying the channel! Julie
Честно говоря, если положить в ванной плитку на пол, поменять унитаз и немножко облагородить мелким косметическим ремонтом-покрасить белой краской окно, батарею,и трубу рядом с унитазом-ванна будет выглядеть лучше многих современных санузлов.
I loved your video! I was born in 85 and this reminds me a lot of my grandmothers little house she shared with her mother. It was in the southern US so not exactly the same but the feeling of it reminds me of hers.
I found it very interesting my mum was born in Poland and the flat reminds me of her family flat in Warsaw they are very big and the windows opened in wards because of the heavy snow I loved it there thank you for sharing ❤
If this was only left 25 years ago, it means it was already 1999, not a soviet era at all. Also, these washing machines were from the 80's in soviet countries, so it means people in russia were still using technology of the bygone era and even thinking the person who had it was well off. Which shows how poor people were (and still are) in russia.Also, if you look carefully, there's a modern blood pressure device that is lying around on the side table. I do not believe one second that this is an apartment that isn't lived in. I think people still live in such conditions in Russia, which is appalling.
You watched my video very attentively, and I really appreciate it. It’s true that no one had lived in this apartment for many years. The owner went to stay with his children due to health issues, and unfortunately, he passed away not long ago. The apartment no longer exists as it was. His daughter put it up for sale, and everything in it was just thrown away. I feel very sorry about it.
looking forward to your next video. fascinating. I used to stay in similiar department for a couple of times around 2000 in Riga in a Soviet apartment block.
I stumbled on this channel. Very interesting topic. Recently, I bought a book titled " the soviet century", Karl Schlogel. Thank you, hope you will be able to make more vidéos. Wishing you the best for your channel.
I bet you probably had a bit more diversity in furniture models😀 There will be more videos, with a kind interview format as well, so welcome on board, and we are also glad to receive any feedback. Thanks. Regards, Julia
Your tour videos are very interesting. Even in my own country, I often walk by apartments and wonder what they look like inside, so getting to see foreign apartments (and a time capsule at that) is a real treat. Thank you for sharing!
Absolutely wonderful, a true piece of history. As an American, I find all of this so fascinating, to see how you all lived then, truly ❤❤❤❤. Please upload (as a suggestion, of course) what was shopping at the supermarket and department stores like for you, and even information on the Berzoika stores.
Thanks, that sounds like a good idea! To be honest, we have plenty of different video topics in mind, but video production is quite time-consuming. Only this particular video turned out to be popular. Nevertheless, we will continue our work and search for the best video format. Regards, Julia
@@Soviet-Born I am so glad you like my suggestion! Thank you for your response. I really appreciate all the efforts you put into each video, the quality really shows. To me, already, this is a top channel about life in the Soviet Union.
@@womanoftorches Thank you very much for your comment. Unfortunately, we've had a lot going on recently, including some unpleasant events, which is why we haven't been active on the channel. However, we will start posting videos again soon, and we’ve already filmed 5 of them-just need to translate them now :)
This is fascinating! Thank you so much for starting this channel. I love to learn about other cultures, and you are presenting this in such a lovely manner.
I have just seen your video and it is so interesting to see how people lived in other countries,with some TLC this apartment would be magnificent, it's actually bigger than the apartment I live in, thank you for sharing 😊💜
Apartments like thse were built everywhere in post war Europe not just the Soviet Union. They were common in Italy, Spain, France and ither countries as well.
What a coincidence: I have just started reading a Russian Christmas story by Nikolai Gogol with an Oxana and a village Dikanka in it! That short clip from a movie in your video should be based on it! There‘s also the devil and a strong blacksmith called Wakula, a good painter, and in love with Oxana. I‘ll finish the story and think of you!
Of course, I know that Gogol is a writer from Ukrainia, and one of the finest! I first got in touch with this literature, when I worked at a university in Kasakhstan in the 90s and my students ordered me to get acquainted with their classics. I apologise that I can only reply in English!
I can't believe four people found enough storage for their basic clothes and belongings. Thank you for sharing this piece of history. Best wishes from the United States.
Это не памятник Ленину,это памятник Тарасу Григорьевич Шевченку.находится этот памятник в городе Харькове в парке Шевченко и даже на этой тарелке на заднем фоне кинотеатр" Украина "
Growing up in America in the 60s and 70s, the Soviet Union was a closed off and mysterious place. We were always afraid of it, and the Soviets were villains in our spy movies back then. It is astonishing to see such a dark, cramped, dated apartment for someone supposedly well off. Compare the typical Russian apartment with the typical western Europe or American apartment and they are two different worlds. This apartment is a glimpse of history, of course, but there are so many Russian channels with so many tours of the typical Russian apartment that we can really get a sense That the Russian people have been living with old, dated household items and furniture.
Thank you for the journey into a fabulous history maybe the original owner was a sailor ? please ore great video's like this how about one on the buses in Russia now that would be good i had the opportunity to visit Ukraine some ten years ago and was fascinated to see Soviet era trams and buses also trains thank you for nice video god bless Russia.
The only way to really compare is in the uk rental prices including electricity water start from approximately 60% of someone's take home pay of a the average worker. Some 2 bedroom flats are over 80% of the average earners take home pay and that's not including electric or gas just water. My daughter and her partner earn approximately £3,200 between them yet their small one bedroom flat costs £1,050 a month then £90 a month gas £70 electricity £173 a council tax £17 a month maintenance.And they say that'scheaper than some they viewed.
Lovely little apartment, not too much smaller than my apartment in Cairo, GA USA. I could see myself living there comfortably. I stay to myself and am not very outspoken, I keep my head low, the only thing that would have me standing out, as to the USSR Government is my Faith, Independent Baptist.
Is it typical in Russia for people to just abandon their house and leave all their belongings behind? Were the last residents so rich that they can just drop and leave everything behind? Or did something happen to them?
This all greatly depends on the location, in villages this happens regularly. In the city, of course not, due to high real estate prices. No one lived in this apartment because its owner moved to another city and was emotionally connected to his apartment, which is why he didn't want to rent it out. Just recently, he passed away. The relatives have already removed most of the belongings, and it is likely that they will soon start renting the apartment to students. So I think we were very lucky to capture it exactly as it was, a small imprint of an important part of one person's life and a whole historical era.
why people live in apartments? Because infrastructure .It is central heating in winter, roads. Difficult climate, when snow is up to the second floor and etc. makes it too difficult live at a distance when you need to go to a certain place to work, bring kids to schools , go to hospital. Are you a kid, dont get it?
That is great! Glad to hear that. As for the sink, yes, it was in every bathroom in addition to the bath. Sometimes, due to space constraints in old buildings, they can be uninstalled to make room for modern washing machines. Regards, Julia
Every houses and apartments are different in all country's houses and apartments in the United Kingdom will look, much different than German houses and apartments
Why would the owner leave and abandon all their belongings, even personal toiletries, food, and mementos of their life? Is the owner still alive if things in the home are 60-70 years old? Maybe the parents passed away and the adult children left it as is. That glass chandelier is beautiful but simple. I would put it in my dining room today.
No one lived in this apartment because its owner moved to another city and was emotionally connected to his apartment, which is why he didn't want to rent it out. Just recently, he passed away. Unfortunately, the relatives have already removed most of the belongings, and it is likely that they will soon start renting the apartment to students. So I think we were very lucky to capture it exactly as it was, a small imprint of an important part of one person's life and a whole historical era.
That's correct, but the apartment was being watched, sometimes they stayed in it for several days. You might have noticed some modern food labels, but overall, it was untouched. Regards, Julia
Either speak English, или говорите по-Русский and add English subtitles; that simultaneous translation, of two confounding and rivaling sound tracks at once, is unlistenable.
Well, this was apartment for WEALTHY 4-people family in Soviet time Ukraine. Just go and look a house tour how a wealthy 4-people family lives in: USA, Canada, Germany, Australia, New Zealand, France, Italy, Spain etc.🙄@@surendramumgai631
What exactly? Provide families with decent apartments to live in for free? This apartment has been abandoned for 25 years, and yet it retains a more dignified appearance than many suburban apartments in the big cities of the so-called Western world. Maybe you should take a nice bath of humility and put your washed brain out to dry
Well it seems like that in the soviet era people were all well housed, we need more housing in the UK, having your own place in UK is now unattainable for many, and there is no system to build low cooost governement housing
This was a WEALTHY 4-people family home. The normal Soviet people lived in "kommunalka" which means that in every room there lives a family and the bathroom and kitchen are shared. So in this apartment there would have usually been two normal families. So -say 8 or 9 people sharing one toilet. @@GallopingHorse1
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I love seeing how people live in other countries and in different eras. I live in the US and was born in 1970. This looked very much like my grandparents' apartment when i was young. The decor is dated, probably from 1950s through the 70s. When you look at it through the lens of 2024, of course it looks shabby. But I can see how, back in its day, it was considered quite fashionable. I loved the chandelier! ❤ Thanks so much for this glimpse into another time and place! 😊
I AM FRANCO AMERICAINE, GREW UP IN SOCIALIST FRANCE 🇫🇷50, 60 S, WE HAD THE SAMETHINGS. Сиаиб VERY NICE.WE KNEW ABOUT RUSSIA LIFE STYLE AS WELL.
Perfect size flat, bigger than the ones we have today here in the UK, with some decoration this could become a very beautiful home again.
It's certainly rough around the edges, but lived in. There is some beauty in its simplicity or efficiency.
Thank you for the English commentary! It is natural and authentic sounding.
Hello! Thanks so much for your helpful comment-it really means a lot to us to know how the translation sounds to our viewers. We’d love to hear any other feedback you have too. Hope you’re enjoying the channel!
Julie
It’s still the same in Hungary to. I grow up just like that.
Ha, ha, before reading your comment, I was about to write the same.
🙋 I really enjoyed the tour !
Честно говоря, если положить в ванной плитку на пол, поменять унитаз и немножко облагородить мелким косметическим ремонтом-покрасить белой краской окно, батарею,и трубу рядом с унитазом-ванна будет выглядеть лучше многих современных санузлов.
I loved your video! I was born in 85 and this reminds me a lot of my grandmothers little house she shared with her mother. It was in the southern US so not exactly the same but the feeling of it reminds me of hers.
I found it very interesting my mum was born in Poland and the flat reminds me of her family flat in Warsaw they are very big and the windows opened in wards because of the heavy snow I loved it there thank you for sharing ❤
If this was only left 25 years ago, it means it was already 1999, not a soviet era at all. Also, these washing machines were from the 80's in soviet countries, so it means people in russia were still using technology of the bygone era and even thinking the person who had it was well off. Which shows how poor people were (and still are) in russia.Also, if you look carefully, there's a modern blood pressure device that is lying around on the side table. I do not believe one second that this is an apartment that isn't lived in. I think people still live in such conditions in Russia, which is appalling.
You watched my video very attentively, and I really appreciate it. It’s true that no one had lived in this apartment for many years. The owner went to stay with his children due to health issues, and unfortunately, he passed away not long ago. The apartment no longer exists as it was. His daughter put it up for sale, and everything in it was just thrown away. I feel very sorry about it.
looking forward to your next video. fascinating. I used to stay in similiar department for a couple of times around 2000 in Riga in a Soviet apartment block.
Thanks! We've already published one! Would be glad if you check it out.
Regards, Julia
The TV and VCR looks like late 1980s or early 1990s because it didn't have dials. So maybe someone lived in it up until 90s.
So clean for being vacant for so long, 😂
Mine was dusted a week ago and needs it all again
Yes, that's also the case for us😀 As I mentioned earlier, the apartment is being watched, and I think they probably wash it sometimes.
Regards, Julia
I stumbled on this channel. Very interesting topic. Recently, I bought a book titled " the soviet century", Karl Schlogel.
Thank you, hope you will be able to make more vidéos. Wishing you the best for your channel.
Thanks for the glimpse into the past! Such cabinets in the living rooms were common in North America as well.
I bet you probably had a bit more diversity in furniture models😀
There will be more videos, with a kind interview format as well, so welcome on board, and we are also glad to receive any feedback. Thanks.
Regards, Julia
Your tour videos are very interesting. Even in my own country, I often walk by apartments and wonder what they look like inside, so getting to see foreign apartments (and a time capsule at that) is a real treat. Thank you for sharing!
Absolutely wonderful, a true piece of history. As an American, I find all of this so fascinating, to see how you all lived then, truly ❤❤❤❤. Please upload (as a suggestion, of course) what was shopping at the supermarket and department stores like for you, and even information on the Berzoika stores.
Thanks, that sounds like a good idea! To be honest, we have plenty of different video topics in mind, but video production is quite time-consuming. Only this particular video turned out to be popular. Nevertheless, we will continue our work and search for the best video format.
Regards, Julia
@@Soviet-Born I am so glad you like my suggestion! Thank you for your response. I really appreciate all the efforts you put into each video, the quality really shows. To me, already, this is a top channel about life in the Soviet Union.
@@womanoftorches Thank you very much for your comment. Unfortunately, we've had a lot going on recently, including some unpleasant events, which is why we haven't been active on the channel. However, we will start posting videos again soon, and we’ve already filmed 5 of them-just need to translate them now :)
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This is truly fascinating and amazing. I hope they preserve this place as a museum forever. So interesting
This is fascinating! Thank you so much for starting this channel. I love to learn about other cultures, and you are presenting this in such a lovely manner.
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Excellent! I thoroughly enjoyed it👍 I love everything vintage USSR.
Oh my gosh, in the bedroom look at all the bugs & flies flying all over the room.
Amazing video, thank you. It's so interesting to see this.
Wonderful! I enjoyed this tour a lot. I am very interested in Soviet era decor and design. Thanks.
This was so very interesting. Thank you xx
nice. what city? What is today's value? why empty so many years? thx
great looking apartment. dont understand why nobody lives there
Be so fucking for real! Place is a dump!
I have just seen your video and it is so interesting to see how people lived in other countries,with some TLC this apartment would be magnificent, it's actually bigger than the apartment I live in, thank you for sharing 😊💜
Apartments like thse were built everywhere in post war Europe not just the Soviet Union. They were common in Italy, Spain, France and ither countries as well.
Toto bylo kdysi moderní. Jako dnešní byty budou za čas zastaralé. Všechno má svůj čas vzniku a pádu. Jako sám člověk.
So much respect, thank you for sharing. What a wonderful time capsule. This apartment is still luxury and big for me now 😅
thank you for sharing this with us! i loved this video!
I grew up in 1970's Britain and we had exactly the same meat grinder - I can still remember my mother using it.
Very good video. Thank you so much from central Ontario, Canada. So awesome to see this '50 or '60s apartment - preserved!
I loved this appartment tour 🤩
Thank you! I try my best :)
Regards, Julia
Good video 😀
What a coincidence: I have just started reading a Russian Christmas story by Nikolai Gogol with an Oxana and a village Dikanka in it! That short clip from a movie in your video should be based on it! There‘s also the devil and a strong blacksmith called Wakula, a good painter, and in love with Oxana. I‘ll finish the story and think of you!
Wow, you’re reading my favorite story, “Evenings on a Farm Near Dikanka.” I’m so glad you enjoyed our video!
Гоголь украинский писатель не русский
Of course, I know that Gogol is a writer from Ukrainia, and one of the finest! I first got in touch with this literature, when I worked at a university in Kasakhstan in the 90s and my students ordered me to get acquainted with their classics. I apologise that I can only reply in English!
Very interesting. Thank you.
Something about this place brings me joy. :)
I can't believe four people found enough storage for their basic clothes and belongings. Thank you for sharing this piece of history. Best wishes from the United States.
They did not have many things to store.
An orange Galaxy cellphone box in the kitchen during the Soviet era? 😅
Thank you for sharing 👑🌏🙏 It is indeed a different world. 💙
Thank you so much for your kind words. I’m glad you liked it!
This was a very interesting tour. Thank you.
Это не памятник Ленину,это памятник Тарасу Григорьевич Шевченку.находится этот памятник в городе Харькове в парке Шевченко и даже на этой тарелке на заднем фоне кинотеатр" Украина "
Extremely interesting, I have watched numerous times.
Growing up in America in the 60s and 70s, the Soviet Union was a closed off and mysterious place. We were always afraid of it, and the Soviets were villains in our spy movies back then. It is astonishing to see such a dark, cramped, dated apartment for someone supposedly well off. Compare the typical Russian apartment with the typical western Europe or American apartment and they are two different worlds. This apartment is a glimpse of history, of course, but there are so many Russian channels with so many tours of the typical Russian apartment that we can really get a sense That the Russian people have been living with old, dated household items and furniture.
I would love to see more videos very interesting thanks😊
Thank you very much for your support!
We are already actively working on new videos.
Regards, Julia
Even if this apartment was for the elites it gives a fairly good idea that soviet citizens were well housed... Excellent video! Keep posting...
Thank you for the journey into a fabulous history maybe the original owner was a sailor ? please ore great video's like this how about one on the buses in Russia now that would be good i had the opportunity to visit Ukraine some ten years ago and was fascinated to see Soviet era trams and buses also trains thank you for nice video god bless Russia.
it looks like an old Italian apartment as well😊
The only way to really compare is in the uk rental prices including electricity water start from approximately 60% of someone's take home pay of a the average worker. Some 2 bedroom flats are over 80% of the average earners take home pay and that's not including electric or gas just water. My daughter and her partner earn approximately £3,200 between them yet their small one bedroom flat costs £1,050 a month then £90 a month gas £70 electricity £173 a council tax £17 a month maintenance.And they say that'scheaper than some they viewed.
Lovely little apartment, not too much smaller than my apartment in Cairo, GA USA. I could see myself living there comfortably. I stay to myself and am not very outspoken, I keep my head low, the only thing that would have me standing out, as to the USSR Government is my Faith, Independent Baptist.
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100x better than slum in asia or usa
Very nice , looks like a 1960,s uk home
How strange that everything was just abandoned 😮
I wonder where they went. They just walked away and left everything?
Maybe they went to Siberia.
This was amazing...The occupants must have been really well off ...
an interesting time capsule !
Is it typical in Russia for people to just abandon their house and leave all their belongings behind? Were the last residents so rich that they can just drop and leave everything behind? Or did something happen to them?
This all greatly depends on the location, in villages this happens regularly. In the city, of course not, due to high real estate prices. No one lived in this apartment because its owner moved to another city and was emotionally connected to his apartment, which is why he didn't want to rent it out. Just recently, he passed away. The relatives have already removed most of the belongings, and it is likely that they will soon start renting the apartment to students.
So I think we were very lucky to capture it exactly as it was, a small imprint of an important part of one person's life and a whole historical era.
@@Soviet-BornYes, thank goodness you did, thank you!
The biggest country and no living space, strange place indeed
why people live in apartments? Because infrastructure .It is central heating in winter, roads. Difficult climate, when snow is up to the second floor and etc. makes it too difficult live at a distance when you need to go to a certain place to work, bring kids to schools , go to hospital. Are you a kid, dont get it?
I enjoyed the video. One question, was there no sink/ wash handi basin n the bathroom?
That is great! Glad to hear that. As for the sink, yes, it was in every bathroom in addition to the bath. Sometimes, due to space constraints in old buildings, they can be uninstalled to make room for modern washing machines.
Regards, Julia
Is this a museum now? How is it so dust free and preserved?
Old is gold❤
I completely agree with you.
I absolutely love the coziness of these Soviet apartments. I could be quite content living in one.
Why was the apartment left like this? Did the occupants have to flee suddenly?
If these tenants were considered well off, imagine how poor people lived.
It's very different from the USA. If this was a wealthy owner...what did the poor people's living conditions look like?
Every houses and apartments are different in all country's houses and apartments in the United Kingdom will look, much different than German houses and apartments
someone has been in and dusted because it would be very dusty if it had not been lived in since 1990
Did they have digital blood pressure machines back then ?
Yes, it was only 25 years ago. So not that long ago.
What happened to the people who lived in the apartment? Why wasn’t it re-rented or sold? Who paid the taxes?
Can a person paint the walls or change things up if they want
Yes, there were never any restrictions here, but this was usually a problem since the walls were uneven, and they used paper wallpaper
It looks like a museum, is it? A blast from the past. I've seen worse over here.
Why hasn't the owner upgraded it and sold it or rented it?
Why would the owner leave and abandon all their belongings, even personal toiletries, food, and mementos of their life? Is the owner still alive if things in the home are 60-70 years old? Maybe the parents passed away and the adult children left it as is.
That glass chandelier is beautiful but simple. I would put it in my dining room today.
No one lived in this apartment because its owner moved to another city and was emotionally connected to his apartment, which is why he didn't want to rent it out. Just recently, he passed away. Unfortunately, the relatives have already removed most of the belongings, and it is likely that they will soon start renting the apartment to students.
So I think we were very lucky to capture it exactly as it was, a small imprint of an important part of one person's life and a whole historical era.
Maybe owner brought TV and VCR in the late 90s for chrap price. Not during 1980s....
Would love to see this Without voice over
Come mai il proprietario è andato via lasciando tutto l'arredo i vestiti ecc ecv?
No heat?
25 years ago was only 2009 which is realtively modern. This apartment looks as tho' it was left from the 1950's not 2009
очень интереснo
I like nu pogodi 🐺🐰
Born 1959 they good
Things were not much different for average people in East & West Germany or Italy.
Ten lew odzwierciedla komunę, piekny inaczej
OMG!!!
Russian women often wore fur
Good furs provided warmth back then,it must be real - the one hanging
Buying a faux fur back then seems odd to me
If this was affluence, I wonder what was considered standard or substandard? This is truly depressing..
The topic is sick
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😂😂😂…..The Gulag…..good old Stalin…..😂😂
I thought no one has lived there for 24vyears.
That's correct, but the apartment was being watched, sometimes they stayed in it for several days. You might have noticed some modern food labels, but overall, it was untouched.
Regards, Julia
Grim just doesn't describe it...
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Either speak English, или говорите по-Русский and add English subtitles; that simultaneous translation, of two confounding and rivaling sound tracks at once, is unlistenable.
Oh my god!!! very poor looking but clean
Poor looking ? The poor have such apartments ?
Poor and trashy.
Well, this was apartment for WEALTHY 4-people family in Soviet time Ukraine. Just go and look a house tour how a wealthy 4-people family lives in: USA, Canada, Germany, Australia, New Zealand, France, Italy, Spain etc.🙄@@surendramumgai631
@@surendramumgai631 I believe the government gave out these apartments for free.
It is poor looking. I can't believe the people here were well off.
Well that's what communism brings to a country unfortunately
What's wrong with this apartment ???
What exactly? Provide families with decent apartments to live in for free? This apartment has been abandoned for 25 years, and yet it retains a more dignified appearance than many suburban apartments in the big cities of the so-called Western world. Maybe you should take a nice bath of humility and put your washed brain out to dry
Well it seems like that in the soviet era people were all well housed, we need more housing in the UK, having your own place in UK is now unattainable for many, and there is no system to build low cooost governement housing
This was a WEALTHY 4-people family home. The normal Soviet people lived in "kommunalka" which means that in every room there lives a family and the bathroom and kitchen are shared. So in this apartment there would have usually been two normal families. So -say 8 or 9 people sharing one toilet. @@GallopingHorse1
The comparison between a wealthy 4-People family home in non-communist country. That what's wrong. @@surendramumgai631
putin futue where people money ritcheys word ridshays chantry
Kazakhstan, i can see by books on shelf, Saken Saifulin,