he's so wrong about UFC paying market value, the market standard is to pay 50% of total revenue to players. It's the case within a few percent for NFL, MLB, NBA, NHL, etc. and even Bellator. All are over 44%. UFC is like 18-19%. It's absolutely abhorrent. I just looked up the numbers again, they've actually gone way up for a lot of leagues. MLB is at 64%, NHL 69.8%, MLS 76%.
DC once said that a fighter shouldn’t think of himself as a failure no matter what level you made it to because most people wouldn’t even step in face to face with another person in a combat sport of any kind. He said you should be proud of yourself period for how ever long your run lasted and your accomplishments. Especially if it was what you loved to do. So I agree with your assessment of both sides. Perspective is really the thing that matters. Always enjoy your out of the box takes unc!
@@bluenick4577 Exactly Joe wasn't trying to put any fighters down. All he was saying is if you're the top fighter of an MMA organization and you're crushing your competition why not make the move to the UFC and try to reach new heights.
@@Will_022 i think you are lying to yourself here, yes fedor is considered one of the greatest, but jon jones is definitely considered the greatest because what he accomplished in the UFC
I think it is worth saying that there are millions of men in the US alone that train some kind of combat sport. A small percentage like to compete. Not for money, but just for the thrill of it. A fraction of those go pro, and a tiny fraction make it to the UFC. For everyone else, it is a hard road. Some guys just love to compete and they do it how and where they can.
Joe is one of those guys who is training as a hobby and talking out of his rear when it comes to competing as a professional. If another organization pays better it makes no sense to fight for the UFC for peanuts. Another kitty litter box take from Joe!
@mightymoeish Fr and imagine not even making money off that brain damage. The UFC is where you get paid the most and the bottom and average don't get paid squat too so imagine not being in the UFC. that's a tough insurance bill, probably can't even get it done anyway 😭 ruining your life for what
Classic Chael Sonnen right here. Only guy in the business who knows how to really think outside the box and provide an in depth and interesting look at the little things most overlook
Lance Palmer is a great example for this conversation. For those who do not know, Lance Palmer has been a PFL fighter since 2013 (before the organization was PFL, it was WSOF). Lance won the PFL tournament twice (back-to-back), which is a one million dollar prize. Aside from that, he has consistently been getting paid 6-figures just to show and fight. For Lance, should he have made the jump to the UFC when he was in his prime? Or, is he smarter for staying with the PFL?
PFL !!! The UFC won't look after you when you are ' Done ' !!! Fighters should go where they get paid & treated BETTER !!! ( unless the ONLY motivation is UFC Belts ) 👍✊
Honestly if I was one of those fighters I’d choose a “lesser” competition like Bellator or PFL (even though lesser competition is just subjective) just to not risk myself and still have somewhat of a public profile that could help me network and leapfrog into business or something else. At the end of the day the UFC and any other fighter league is all about the eyeballs and needle you move. If you can’t get people in the seats it doesn’t matter where you fight. The only good thing about the UFC is that the company has done well to become the more “mainstream” organization so casuals would always favor it over anything else.
@@TrismegistusH Good point. Also, if you’re someone who dislikes fame and attention and just wants to compete and make money, an organization like the PFL sounds like the way to go.
@@Afflux212 hey, assuming you're telling the truth. I want to ask you : along bjj, which sticking art would you choose : karate or kickboxing and why ? Thanks is advance
I was always great in pressure situations while on the field, court, rink etc. but if you asked me to say anything to even a small crowd I instantly turn into a retarded Goat Boy. Baaaaaaa!
Michael chandler just had an interview explaining how he would have been a flash in the pan had he started in ufc, but was able to build his brand in bellator and move to the biggest platform(ufc) and his approach makes a lot of sense.
Chael needs to write a book, "Philosophical Inquiries for the Present Age of Combat Sports: Metaphysical First Principles in Fighter Ethics." I'd definitely read that and put it in my philosophy bookshelf.
I would argue that Joe’s message was related more to the fact that if you want to be “the best” outside of the UFC, you are wasting your time. Because everyone knows the best MMA fighters are not outside of the UFC. The UFC is the ultimate battlefield. Therefore, if you are not the best inside of the UFC…you are simply not the best PERIOD. I can also see the other side too tho. If your main goal is anything other than becoming the best, (money, longevity, etc.) then sure you can fiddle around outside of the UFC and that’s totally fine. But you will never be known as the best to ever do it. It doesn’t work that way.
Joe Rogan’s a company man. What’d you expect him to say? Chael you yourself said going to Bellator was about “more zeros”. Which would you rather? More viewers? Or more money?
You can’t hand out more money with less viewers. It’s a losing business strategy. So for legacy, you need to be in UFC. For more money quickly? Go to an organization that lasts for 5 years and no one cares about. Ngannou chose to get more money quickly, without foresight for long term success. Very stereotypical of his kind.
@@sentientdogma1206 Well UFC is the worst paying fighting promotion by far, if you not top 4 your making less then practically every fighter in other promotions
You must ask yourself why fighters would be willing to "waste their career" at another promotion. They must be receiving something to compensate for that right? Of course, they are getting paid more. Cash is King.
@@33moneyball Yeah they’re not getting paid more, but I think bottom UFC fighters are making significantly less than top fighters at other promotions. UFC fighters who are not ranked in the top 10 barely make enough money to even pay for their training camps. At least non-UFC fighters can get advertisers on their flag/trunks for fights to help cover the pay difference. I agree top UFC guys should absolutely be UFC rather than anywhere else. But I’d rather be a top 3 guy at another promotion, than a UFC fighter fighting to crack the top 15. If you want to dream at being world champion, UFC is where it’s at, but if you know you’re not at that level that’s a different situation.
Yeah Joe going full shill with this non-sense. Why would a fighter go to the UFC or stay with the UFC if other organizations are offering much more? Did Oliver Aubin-Mercier waste the last few years of his career? lol
Ask OLIVIER AUBIN-MERCIER "The Canadian Gangster" if he made more MONEY fighting one fight for the PFL (over 1 million dollars) than a dozen fights in the UFC. Corey Anderson and Ryan Bader are making waaaaay more money than when they fought for the UFC.
You have a guy called Roberto Soldic,who BTW, beat Du Plessis back when both were in KSW, and he decided to go in ONE instead of UFC... Perspectives are different for each fighter and what they want to achieve with their carriers.
You can tell that the UFC Monopoly in MMA is ending when they start worrying about the careers of fighters who aren't in the UFC. Free-market competition is beneficial for everyone.
Absolutely true. If you dare to be great, you need to be on the big stage. The more eyes on you the better. Not for everyone and that's cool. But if you're all in you almost seems like a no brainer.
Ask former UFC fighters like OLIVIER AUBIN-MERCIER "The Canadian Gangster", Corey Anderson and Ryan Bader if they wished they would have stayed in the UFC. OAM won 2 million dollar tournaments in a row. All of them are making waaaaay more money fighting outside of the UFC. The fighters in the UFC are metaphorically working 8 hours a day for a pack of cigarettes. Not very smart. Not very smart at all.
@@sp123 That's the case of someone waiting to enter their prime years before making it to the big leagues. But what if you're already in your prime years and you're not getting better? At that point in your career it'd be foolish not to join the big league.
I not unlike Joe have been watching MMA for decades and the fighters didn’t always get a lot of eyeballs. The only reason I care if anyone else watches is so the fighters get paid well. What I do want to see more than anything is fighters being great and you can’t see them being as great as they possibly can without fighting the best guys and most of the best guys are in the UFC. This is why I hate Fancis leaving the ufc but liked seeing him be great in boxing. This is the number one reason I don’t like Jon Jones is the opportunity he squandered to be the greatest.
This is a Christmas treat 😂 there is some vintage Chael in here. Daddy issue girl with the bedroom eyes and the brick at the table eating mothers meatloaf. Nothing without the delivery and context but that is gold
Would you rather be rich and famous, rich and not famous, poor and famous, or poor and not famous? That is the question. I think many people would choose rich and not famous. I agree here with Chael. Your career is all about what is important to you. You can't be wasting your career if you accomplished everything that you wanted. At the end of the day, it is your life to live.
I can name dozens of UFC fighters and champions....i can name at best a handful of fighters that have never fought in the Octagon (respect to the GOAT Fedor of course)
It comes down to the fighters skill set and his own motives. A fighter might get more eyeballs in one of the other organizations if he is more competitive there. In the UFC he may be on the preliminary under-card. In one of the other he may be on the main card AND get paid a little more.
Smart fighters would rather fight easier opponents for more money than get brain damage fighting top fighters for peanuts. MONEY pays the bills. Nothing else.
Joe in the podcast is really speaking about the great and elite individuals who could have the serious potential for big PPV money and endorsements. He wasn’t speaking about the average belator fighter. I get your points here, but it is important to point that out
If you dont have 15 minutes on this Christmas eve to hear chaels piece I'll give you the quick power points 1. Joe is right. If you dont fight in the ufc your simply fighting for a pay check 2. Tito tapped Merry Xmas 🎄
Not everyone's going to get into the UFC, it's just the way it is. Joe is a company man, of course he's going to say that. He's also a multimillionaire who hasn't struggled in decades, tell a poor and upcoming fighter that they're "wasting" their career. This is all they're good at and all they've wanted. That's like saying, you're wasting your musical career because you signed to a label that's not Universal.
He wasn't talking about up and coming fighters. He was saying the elite fighters that are fighting in other companies are wasting their time. Guys that could easily come to the UFC and compete with the best, but instead they're staying the big fish in a small pond.
@@NNokTV ahh, thanks for clarifying, realized that's what he meant as the video went on. But I'd have to ask, is someone who is fighting in ONE is wasting their time? Still one of the biggest organizations and I'd argue has comparable talent. Aren't a good number of fighters in PFL and Bellator ex UFC fighters? I still don't think Joes take was very good though.
@@RoguePlanetSounds It was on the podcast with Bo Nickal. One of the points they were making was the endorsement deals you get from being a star in the UFC. Things that won’t come in other promotions even if your fight purse may be bigger. ONE has a huge market overseas so I’m sure those guys are doing just fine. Can def make an argument for each perspective with no one really being wrong.
Joe literally did commentating for free in the beginning. He knows all about sacrifice. I'm sure he hasn't forgot. I think the UFC should pay more but they don't. If you want the status go to UFC. If you need stability, go somewhere else
Different folks, different goals. If your goal is money, then you can absolutely find that outside the UFC. If your goal is to be the best, then spending your prime outside the UFC would be a waste of your opportunity to achieve that.
Dricus (Studied econimics at uni, btw, 141 IQ) said it best in a Afrikaans interview a while back, look at the size of the UFC, it's not just the fighters, it's a massive organization and takes an army of skilled people to keep it well oiled and running, it's not just about fight purses, it costs a hell of a lot of money operationally. That said, in my own opinion, Saudis tend to have "f*ck you" money, and if you want loyalty in life, get a dog because you're going to struggle to beat raw money over loyalty and exposure in careers as short and unpredictable as any pro fighters'. Not everyone (likely most fighters) has the charisma or personal business initiative to capitalize on those eyeballs, valuable as they are. So don't assume every fighter is a 140 IQ titan of industry like Chael, some people want to farm as much capital as quickly as possible before dropping off as father time waits for nobody, or, God forbid, you encounter career destroying injury, this is a contact sport after all, it's all high risk. With all of this bs said, you ain't sh*t if you haven't made it to the UFC and knock out guys like Strickland in 30 seconds for the belt LETS GOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!
Say that to the “Bums” that make millions of dollars in the PFL, dudes in BKFC get paid more then they did in the UFC, as a Prize Fighter there’s tons meaningful opportunities outside the UFC, Joe is straight up Glazzing for Dana
@@bsx121 Weather I know there names or not is completely irrelevant when they have a MILLION BUCKS in the BANK Aubin Mercier Thiago Santos Kayla Harrison Rob Wilkinson Impa Kasungine Stevie Ray Shane Burgos Bubba Jenkins Jesus Pinedo Magomed Magomedkerimov Sadibou Sy
@@Gree_Zee it's good that other organizations exist and fighters can make more money in those organizations but at the end of the day I don't think those fighters will ever achieve legendary status if they're not in the UFC,as of now... ✌️
@@bsx121i think thats main difference, the ufc at least pretends to be a sport while other promotions are prize Fighting, thats ehy there are so many can crushers
Merry Christmas Chael and all fight fans! I would have to agree with Joe, I feel like a lot of fighters want the prestige and infamy that comes with being a great fighter. And if they want to make more money I like to think many of them understand that they need to have a bigger following to move up the card. I feel like that’s what a lot of them ultimately want, and I feel like that can only be achieved in the ufc or one championship. UFC is going to make you far more famous but I feel like one championship isn’t bad either because real fight fans will know who you are and hopefully try and elevate you to that next level to be in the ufc.
Is this based off that Karate match w/ Benson & Pettis the other day? .... thought the 'Mortal Combat' theme & the fighting pit gave off a cool vibe...
I wouldn't say fighters outside the UFC are wasting their careers because if they're getting paid good money then they're doing what they need to do however no fighter out side the UFC should ever be considered great or even a top ten fighter as we have seen on mulriple occasions that guys outside the UFC struggle or fail becasue they spend so much time fighting subpar talent.
I think “everyone watching” truly mattered back when fighters where getting their own sponsors and their sponsors dollars, against just a sponsor for “UFC”…….
So no one else said it because everyone else understands that there’s more to a fighting career than UFC, maybe a championship belt or income, whatever it is, you are not wasting your time fighting for the “competition”
@@MarcGrayTWOOM Conor is the goat when it comes to sports entertainment and cashing it in. Love ‘em or hate em …. Buy the PPV … lol. Good blend of skill and a sprinkle of WWE lol.
I also feel like it matters how well that fighter does and what kind of fighter they are. If you are exciting, then going to the UFC makes sense, but if you are what some might call a boring fighter, that know he never will be the best in the world, but you know you could maybe win a championship at a smaller promotion and dominate there and be their guy, is it better to be the big fish in a small pond or the small fish in a big pond. I feel like Michael Chandler was arguably the best at 155 at Bellator. I'd say he is maybe 6-8 in UFC. He puts on really fun fights. He is good enough that he could on a given night beat people above him, but he will never go on a run in UFC and will never become champ, but I'm sure he gets paid well because he brings eyeballs. I'm sure that brings positive attention and sponsors. Look at Ryan Bader. That guy would never have been heavyweight or light heavyweight champ in UFC. Ever. Not never. I think he made more as a double champ at Bellator than he would have been as a perennial contender and about number 5-10 in the UFC. Corey Anderson is a great fighter, but he had way more opportunity for a title and money at Bellator. Guys that can't talk trash or can't bring eyeballs. Then again, I used to like Bellator and liked watching you on it.
@@MarcGrayTWOOM Sure, but I also said who couldn't be the best in the world. That was obviously not the case for Khabib. Not trying to talk skill sets here, but imagine if Khabib had a win ratio of two wins to one loss inside the top ten. He never would have generated the demand to get a title shot, where people like Gaethje are like that and there is always a demand for them to get the shot.
A fighter’s primary focus should be about money. You want to be in whichever organization yields the highest chance to achieve financial freedom. If the UFC can’t provide that for the fighter, then career waste would be with the UFC. The health risks are already severe enough. Medicine can’t yet reverse TBIs or repair an eye. I fully acknowledge that this is case by case. So If you really think you are better than the entire UFC roster in your weight class, then go for the UFC. You’ll earn more as a Champion in UFC than if you were in Bellator.
I agree with the sentiment you’re bringing us however, in a sport like MMA I don’t know if you ever make career worthy money unless you have some form of a name… and to get the name to ever have the option to go off into the night and fight for pay checks without eyes you’ll need to have been in the big leagues.
Who's the real winner? The guy that chases glory and ends up with CTE/busted knees, and gets lots of asks for selfies when he goes out >OR< the guy who literally fought for what he loves, and can now give his family and himself a good life despite the injuries, but he was in Bellator? Who are the "real" fighters?
There is a difference between training and fighting. Training is good for everyone for self defense and conditioning,but actually getting in a cage and taking punishment is dumb unless you are legitimately trying to make a career out of it
We need you in the HOF, You are blessing us with videos even when all the others fall off for the holiday. Undefeated, undisputed champion of MMA.
Damn this man speaks truth in an elegant way. Talking about values🙏🏽🙌🏽
Damn he is in the hall of fame?
Calm down Deidre
he's so wrong about UFC paying market value, the market standard is to pay 50% of total revenue to players. It's the case within a few percent for NFL, MLB, NBA, NHL, etc. and even Bellator. All are over 44%. UFC is like 18-19%. It's absolutely abhorrent.
I just looked up the numbers again, they've actually gone way up for a lot of leagues. MLB is at 64%, NHL 69.8%, MLS 76%.
Your wish is granted
DC once said that a fighter shouldn’t think of himself as a failure no matter what level you made it to because most people wouldn’t even step in face to face with another person in a combat sport of any kind. He said you should be proud of yourself period for how ever long your run lasted and your accomplishments. Especially if it was what you loved to do. So I agree with your assessment of both sides. Perspective is really the thing that matters. Always enjoy your out of the box takes unc!
True but i think joe rogan is talking about the top guys
Good example fedor
@@bluenick4577 Exactly Joe wasn't trying to put any fighters down. All he was saying is if you're the top fighter of an MMA organization and you're crushing your competition why not make the move to the UFC and try to reach new heights.
@@bluenick4577would you say Fedor wasted his career ? A lot of people consider him the greatest of all time
Good point
@@Will_022 i think you are lying to yourself here, yes fedor is considered one of the greatest, but jon jones is definitely considered the greatest because what he accomplished in the UFC
Tito tapped
Yes he did!
"Nobody's watching" - Rogan
Bro when Chael wrote that on his son's Life Jacket/Vest 😂
If Jones taps, Jones wins
Tito tapped your mum
I think it is worth saying that there are millions of men in the US alone that train some kind of combat sport. A small percentage like to compete. Not for money, but just for the thrill of it. A fraction of those go pro, and a tiny fraction make it to the UFC. For everyone else, it is a hard road. Some guys just love to compete and they do it how and where they can.
Brain damage gets expensive
@@mightymoeish how expensive? Who has brain damage? You speak like someone who has never been in a fight.
Joe is one of those guys who is training as a hobby and talking out of his rear when it comes to competing as a professional. If another organization pays better it makes no sense to fight for the UFC for peanuts. Another kitty litter box take from Joe!
@stonedude77 long term care homes are expensive. Me punching you in the face will cause you brain damage
@mightymoeish Fr and imagine not even making money off that brain damage. The UFC is where you get paid the most and the bottom and average don't get paid squat too so imagine not being in the UFC. that's a tough insurance bill, probably can't even get it done anyway 😭 ruining your life for what
If you're making a decent living for your family you aren't wasting time.
Yep. Especially doing a dangerous job like fighting
Joe Rogan is one of Dana White’s best friends and works for the UFC, as does Chael. What narrative do we really expect them to have…
Well said!!! 👏
fuck fame financial freedom is important.
fighter careers are short. They need to make enough money to set themselves up for the rest of their lives. Not just survive now.
The goat Chael P is blessing us with content even on Christmas Eve
Classic Chael Sonnen right here. Only guy in the business who knows how to really think outside the box and provide an in depth and interesting look at the little things most overlook
Not the only guy... but perhaps the only guy who is a former world class MMA fighter. 🤔
@@WitchyWagonRealPFL is paying Francis more than any UFC fighter
Lance Palmer is a great example for this conversation. For those who do not know, Lance Palmer has been a PFL fighter since 2013 (before the organization was PFL, it was WSOF). Lance won the PFL tournament twice (back-to-back), which is a one million dollar prize. Aside from that, he has consistently been getting paid 6-figures just to show and fight. For Lance, should he have made the jump to the UFC when he was in his prime? Or, is he smarter for staying with the PFL?
PFL !!!
The UFC won't look after you when you are ' Done ' !!!
Fighters should go where they get paid & treated BETTER !!!
( unless the ONLY motivation is UFC Belts )
👍✊
@@walterkaiyuenpang3556 in most cases, you are right.
Honestly if I was one of those fighters I’d choose a “lesser” competition like Bellator or PFL (even though lesser competition is just subjective) just to not risk myself and still have somewhat of a public profile that could help me network and leapfrog into business or something else. At the end of the day the UFC and any other fighter league is all about the eyeballs and needle you move. If you can’t get people in the seats it doesn’t matter where you fight. The only good thing about the UFC is that the company has done well to become the more “mainstream” organization so casuals would always favor it over anything else.
@@TrismegistusH Good point. Also, if you’re someone who dislikes fame and attention and just wants to compete and make money, an organization like the PFL sounds like the way to go.
Never heard about him. I’m from Brazil 🇧🇷
The pack of cigarettes analogy was hilarious 😂
The constant reminder that everything is perspective
@@Mojo_Jo_Jo_in jail you do hard labor for pennies. It was the perfect analogy. Where was it finny
@@joys8634
"That's the sound of the men workin on the chain gang"
@@Mojo_Jo_Jo_also a reminder that the American prison system is the new American slave system
I roll my own.
I always underperform when eyeballs are on me. Anyone who gets in the ring infront of a crowd has my respect.
True, too much attention can cause a lot of pressure
I always underperform in public, but only because I dont want any men to know what Im capable of if im put in a self defense situation
I’m a former ufc champion. I agree it’s very hard.
@@Afflux212 hey, assuming you're telling the truth. I want to ask you : along bjj, which sticking art would you choose : karate or kickboxing and why ?
Thanks is advance
I was always great in pressure situations while on the field, court, rink etc. but if you asked me to say anything to even a small crowd I instantly turn into a retarded Goat Boy. Baaaaaaa!
Chael, I never miss one of your podcasts. Always interesting, well-reasoned, insightful. Merry Christmas to you and yours!
Man I’ve been watching him from the start and thought this was gonna be a phase I’m so glad he’s got a mill so we can continue watching this legend
And to u sir.
What podcast
@@sleepisthecousinofdeath7395always one😂
Michael chandler just had an interview explaining how he would have been a flash in the pan had he started in ufc, but was able to build his brand in bellator and move to the biggest platform(ufc) and his approach makes a lot of sense.
Smart insightful guy
He's unusually smart for a fighter!
Chael needs to write a book, "Philosophical Inquiries for the Present Age of Combat Sports: Metaphysical First Principles in Fighter Ethics."
I'd definitely read that and put it in my philosophy bookshelf.
I would argue that Joe’s message was related more to the fact that if you want to be “the best” outside of the UFC, you are wasting your time. Because everyone knows the best MMA fighters are not outside of the UFC. The UFC is the ultimate battlefield. Therefore, if you are not the best inside of the UFC…you are simply not the best PERIOD.
I can also see the other side too tho. If your main goal is anything other than becoming the best, (money, longevity, etc.) then sure you can fiddle around outside of the UFC and that’s totally fine. But you will never be known as the best to ever do it. It doesn’t work that way.
Joe Rogan’s a company man. What’d you expect him to say? Chael you yourself said going to Bellator was about “more zeros”. Which would you rather? More viewers? Or more money?
You can’t hand out more money with less viewers. It’s a losing business strategy. So for legacy, you need to be in UFC. For more money quickly? Go to an organization that lasts for 5 years and no one cares about. Ngannou chose to get more money quickly, without foresight for long term success. Very stereotypical of his kind.
@@sentientdogma1206
Firstly Bellators been around like 15 years. Second that sounded racist as f**k 🤦🏻♂️🤣
@@sentientdogma1206 stereotype of a poor person? Because thats how all poor people on the planet are
@@sentientdogma1206 Well UFC is the worst paying fighting promotion by far, if you not top 4 your making less then practically every fighter in other promotions
@@sentientdogma1206yes you can.
Youre not very smart?
Tell me why more then anything when Chael starts saying "there's no way to know" it just makes my whole self smile
We need this Podcast Reunite now more than ever
I would imagine Chael Jr cracked up in laughter and/ or a big smile when Dad called him a maniac that wakes him daily to play 💯👊
If Thanos was real, he’d be afraid of Chael too. 😂
Good insights
You must ask yourself why fighters would be willing to "waste their career" at another promotion. They must be receiving something to compensate for that right? Of course, they are getting paid more. Cash is King.
Except that they aren’t.
@@33moneyball Yeah they’re not getting paid more, but I think bottom UFC fighters are making significantly less than top fighters at other promotions. UFC fighters who are not ranked in the top 10 barely make enough money to even pay for their training camps. At least non-UFC fighters can get advertisers on their flag/trunks for fights to help cover the pay difference.
I agree top UFC guys should absolutely be UFC rather than anywhere else. But I’d rather be a top 3 guy at another promotion, than a UFC fighter fighting to crack the top 15. If you want to dream at being world champion, UFC is where it’s at, but if you know you’re not at that level that’s a different situation.
Yeah Joe going full shill with this non-sense. Why would a fighter go to the UFC or stay with the UFC if other organizations are offering much more? Did Oliver Aubin-Mercier waste the last few years of his career? lol
Ask OLIVIER AUBIN-MERCIER
"The Canadian Gangster" if he made more MONEY fighting one fight for the PFL (over 1 million dollars) than a dozen fights in the UFC. Corey Anderson and Ryan Bader are making waaaaay more money than when they fought for the UFC.
@@howardroark3670 Exactly, thank you!
Usually, Chael is entertaining and informed. But this video he goes deep.
Stemay lol
Merry Christmas Chael to you and your family. Thank you for the best podcast in the world, in my opinion
in 2022 they made record profit while fighter pay decreased
You need competition, and you need to hope those organizations develop because it will make the whole situation for all fighter better
They wont because they suck at business and promotion
Wont change shit
Yet the ufc has been a monopoly that has been using anti-competitive business practices for over a decade. Nothing will change.
That’s what they thought about the nfl too.
@@carlcarlson5553 This is true. I don't hear anything about bellator or pfl or one championship
If Chael asked me to work for him for 8 hours and he’ll give me a pack of smokes, I’d take it
A lot of UFC stars recently retired or are retiring in the next 2-3 years. Never been a better time to get in the UFC and make a name for yourself.
ONE Championship pays way better tbh. Most of the world watches ONE. And I'm a UFC fan.
@@pulamea5564seems like one will be pulling out of mma in the next year or two. They’ve been terminating a bunch of contract’s recently.
factually wrong.@@pulamea5564
@@pulamea5564Doesn’t ONE lose money every year?
@@pulamea5564 most of asia whatches one, the ufc still dominates the american and european markets
You have a guy called Roberto Soldic,who BTW, beat Du Plessis back when both were in KSW, and he decided to go in ONE instead of UFC...
Perspectives are different for each fighter and what they want to achieve with their carriers.
Chael is the only guy who can create 10min of content talking about absolutely nothing.....but I will still gladly watch
“Math is hard, if it’s 1,000,000 x 1 or 300,000 x 9, which one is *greater*?”
- Chanel Sonnan The Genius
You can tell that the UFC Monopoly in MMA is ending when they start worrying about the careers of fighters who aren't in the UFC. Free-market competition is beneficial for everyone.
In an alternate Universe there's a guy
called Sael Chonnen who has never won a fight ....
Defeated, disputed, lost every round
And Tito didn’t tap
I heard that Sael Chonnen guy let's people get close.
That's in Bizarro World, where he lost every round.
And who is terrified of Mike Tyson
Merry Christmas Chael and the Sonnen’s
Absolutely true. If you dare to be great, you need to be on the big stage. The more eyes on you the better. Not for everyone and that's cool. But if you're all in you almost seems like a no brainer.
Ask former UFC fighters like OLIVIER AUBIN-MERCIER
"The Canadian Gangster", Corey Anderson and Ryan Bader if they wished they would have stayed in the UFC. OAM won 2 million dollar tournaments in a row. All of them are making waaaaay more money fighting outside of the UFC. The fighters in the UFC are metaphorically working 8 hours a day for a pack of cigarettes. Not very smart. Not very smart at all.
Shohei Ohtani gave up 200 million to join the MLB early and 6 years later he signed a 700 million dollar contract with the Dodgers.
Perry. The profile pic aint doin ya any favors bud.... 😂. Creepy
@@squadabingo9113 No favors needed from the likes of you or others like you. Thanks anyway🚽🦨
@@sp123 That's the case of someone waiting to enter their prime years before making it to the big leagues. But what if you're already in your prime years and you're not getting better? At that point in your career it'd be foolish not to join the big league.
I mean, Mike Perry is killing the game.
I not unlike Joe have been watching MMA for decades and the fighters didn’t always get a lot of eyeballs. The only reason I care if anyone else watches is so the fighters get paid well. What I do want to see more than anything is fighters being great and you can’t see them being as great as they possibly can without fighting the best guys and most of the best guys are in the UFC. This is why I hate Fancis leaving the ufc but liked seeing him be great in boxing. This is the number one reason I don’t like Jon Jones is the opportunity he squandered to be the greatest.
Someone might say “but Jon Jones is the greatest” I would tell them “he squandered the opportunity to be even greater than he is.”
I’ve watched PFL once. I’ve watched damn near every ufc event since i was 14, 22 Now. Joe and Chael are right
if you think america is the world then yeah. One is bigger worldwide than the UFC and has a substantially higher finishing rate.
Chael recently heard what “litmus test” is and now can’t get enough of it 😂
He likes to think trajectrory has an extra r too
❤️👏🏽👍🏽 you nailed this analysis - it’s all relative to joy and peace you get from the choice you make born from the motivations and freedoms you seek.
This is a Christmas treat 😂 there is some vintage Chael in here. Daddy issue girl with the bedroom eyes and the brick at the table eating mothers meatloaf. Nothing without the delivery and context but that is gold
Would you rather be rich and famous, rich and not famous, poor and famous, or poor and not famous? That is the question. I think many people would choose rich and not famous. I agree here with Chael. Your career is all about what is important to you. You can't be wasting your career if you accomplished everything that you wanted. At the end of the day, it is your life to live.
I can name dozens of UFC fighters and champions....i can name at best a handful of fighters that have never fought in the Octagon (respect to the GOAT Fedor of course)
It comes down to the fighters skill set and his own motives. A fighter might get more eyeballs in one of the other organizations if he is more competitive there. In the UFC he may be on the preliminary under-card. In one of the other he may be on the main card AND get paid a little more.
Chaels doing a great job of not putting any other fighters down that arent ufc I love it
It's not just people watching. It's fighting the best.
Smart fighters would rather fight easier opponents for more money than get brain damage fighting top fighters for peanuts. MONEY pays the bills. Nothing else.
Hope you have a wonderful Christmas Uncle Chael!
“Tryin' to make a million dollars, fux a million downloads
But if that equal the same, then slice that up and give me my change”
Gibbs
When Chael breaks out math, math changes and I learn a new field of study.
Lord Chael please wish us a merry Christmas
Well said...
The bedroom eyes 😂😂😂😂😂
This is the best channel on UA-cam. Bar none!
Happy Holidays and Merry Christmas, Chael 🎄☃️♥️🇺🇸
Interesting and smart break down of rogan's statement.
Joe in the podcast is really speaking about the great and elite individuals who could have the serious potential for big PPV money and endorsements. He wasn’t speaking about the average belator fighter. I get your points here, but it is important to point that out
If you dont have 15 minutes on this Christmas eve to hear chaels piece I'll give you the quick power points
1. Joe is right. If you dont fight in the ufc your simply fighting for a pay check
2. Tito tapped
Merry Xmas 🎄
Thanks bro
LOL
Not everyone's going to get into the UFC, it's just the way it is. Joe is a company man, of course he's going to say that. He's also a multimillionaire who hasn't struggled in decades, tell a poor and upcoming fighter that they're "wasting" their career. This is all they're good at and all they've wanted. That's like saying, you're wasting your musical career because you signed to a label that's not Universal.
He wasn't talking about up and coming fighters. He was saying the elite fighters that are fighting in other companies are wasting their time. Guys that could easily come to the UFC and compete with the best, but instead they're staying the big fish in a small pond.
@@NNokTV ahh, thanks for clarifying, realized that's what he meant as the video went on. But I'd have to ask, is someone who is fighting in ONE is wasting their time? Still one of the biggest organizations and I'd argue has comparable talent. Aren't a good number of fighters in PFL and Bellator ex UFC fighters? I still don't think Joes take was very good though.
@@RoguePlanetSounds It was on the podcast with Bo Nickal. One of the points they were making was the endorsement deals you get from being a star in the UFC. Things that won’t come in other promotions even if your fight purse may be bigger. ONE has a huge market overseas so I’m sure those guys are doing just fine. Can def make an argument for each perspective with no one really being wrong.
Joe literally did commentating for free in the beginning. He knows all about sacrifice. I'm sure he hasn't forgot. I think the UFC should pay more but they don't. If you want the status go to UFC. If you need stability, go somewhere else
You want Fame? UFC.
You want Fortune? Not UFC.
Nuff said.
I could listen to Chael all day 😀
Uncle chael showing that wrestling mindset, some people don't do it for anything but love of the sport.
TY For That. Basically Way To Many Men With Tattoos And Daddy Issues Also.
Different folks, different goals. If your goal is money, then you can absolutely find that outside the UFC. If your goal is to be the best, then spending your prime outside the UFC would be a waste of your opportunity to achieve that.
I like the new wall. Especially how the 2 lines match up
If genie popped out of a bottle for me, I’m only gonna make Chael’s father comeback and get Jones vs Sonnen reversed just so his promise is filled
you mean Anderson
Dricus (Studied econimics at uni, btw, 141 IQ) said it best in a Afrikaans interview a while back, look at the size of the UFC, it's not just the fighters, it's a massive organization and takes an army of skilled people to keep it well oiled and running, it's not just about fight purses, it costs a hell of a lot of money operationally.
That said, in my own opinion, Saudis tend to have "f*ck you" money, and if you want loyalty in life, get a dog because you're going to struggle to beat raw money over loyalty and exposure in careers as short and unpredictable as any pro fighters'.
Not everyone (likely most fighters) has the charisma or personal business initiative to capitalize on those eyeballs, valuable as they are. So don't assume every fighter is a 140 IQ titan of industry like Chael, some people want to farm as much capital as quickly as possible before dropping off as father time waits for nobody, or, God forbid, you encounter career destroying injury, this is a contact sport after all, it's all high risk.
With all of this bs said, you ain't sh*t if you haven't made it to the UFC and knock out guys like Strickland in 30 seconds for the belt LETS GOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!
Say that to the “Bums” that make millions of dollars in the PFL, dudes in BKFC get paid more then they did in the UFC, as a Prize Fighter there’s tons meaningful opportunities outside the UFC, Joe is straight up Glazzing for Dana
How many fighters can you name in the pfl other than Francis?
@@bsx121 Weather I know there names or not is completely irrelevant when they have a MILLION BUCKS in the BANK
Aubin Mercier
Thiago Santos
Kayla Harrison
Rob Wilkinson
Impa Kasungine
Stevie Ray
Shane Burgos
Bubba Jenkins
Jesus Pinedo
Magomed Magomedkerimov
Sadibou Sy
@@bsx121 I could go on with the list but those are just more relevant names / champs from this last season ✌🏿🎅🏿
@@Gree_Zee it's good that other organizations exist and fighters can make more money in those organizations but at the end of the day I don't think those fighters will ever achieve legendary status if they're not in the UFC,as of now... ✌️
@@bsx121i think thats main difference, the ufc at least pretends to be a sport while other promotions are prize Fighting, thats ehy there are so many can crushers
If I was a fighter listening to Chael and actually inherit one or two things he is sayings would have made me at least 5x more money
Merry Christmas Chael and all fight fans! I would have to agree with Joe, I feel like a lot of fighters want the prestige and infamy that comes with being a great fighter. And if they want to make more money I like to think many of them understand that they need to have a bigger following to move up the card. I feel like that’s what a lot of them ultimately want, and I feel like that can only be achieved in the ufc or one championship. UFC is going to make you far more famous but I feel like one championship isn’t bad either because real fight fans will know who you are and hopefully try and elevate you to that next level to be in the ufc.
The title of this video should be, "former fighter schools commentator about fighting careers "
Is this based off that Karate match w/ Benson & Pettis the other day? .... thought the 'Mortal Combat' theme & the fighting pit gave off a cool vibe...
Stepping in the cage against Chael is the quickest way to ruin your career forever, no matter the organisation. Jon's toe will never be the same.
I see you're riding chaels sled merry Xmas
I wouldn't say fighters outside the UFC are wasting their careers because if they're getting paid good money then they're doing what they need to do however no fighter out side the UFC should ever be considered great or even a top ten fighter as we have seen on mulriple occasions that guys outside the UFC struggle or fail becasue they spend so much time fighting subpar talent.
love that Chael gets that Rogan = views
throws him into tons of thumbnails/titles lately
I think “everyone watching” truly mattered back when fighters where getting their own sponsors and their sponsors dollars, against just a sponsor for “UFC”…….
Fighters are starting to make good money outside the UFC . My favorite new one Karate Combat is picking up steam . Joe is a company man
In Europe polish organization KSW is doing pretty well.
Fighters like DDP and Jan were champions in that organization.
MERRY CHRISTMAS! Your actual one of my favourite people.. I swear you a of knowledge!
Chael can record his thoughts while taking a dump and still be making great content
So no one else said it because everyone else understands that there’s more to a fighting career than UFC, maybe a championship belt or income, whatever it is, you are not wasting your time fighting for the “competition”
Top 3 Chael lines:
1”.one of these things”
2. “likely suspects”
3. “not for nothing”
The window to make money as MMA fighter is small so they gotta do what they gotta do for $$$.
100% true yet Conor did exactly that and now so many people hate him...I don't but I see the abuse he gets online.
@@MarcGrayTWOOM Conor is the goat when it comes to sports entertainment and cashing it in. Love ‘em or hate em …. Buy the PPV … lol. Good blend of skill and a sprinkle of WWE lol.
@irish7611 Totally agree mate. I'm a huge fan and so many people talking shit about him now really pisses me off.
I also feel like it matters how well that fighter does and what kind of fighter they are. If you are exciting, then going to the UFC makes sense, but if you are what some might call a boring fighter, that know he never will be the best in the world, but you know you could maybe win a championship at a smaller promotion and dominate there and be their guy, is it better to be the big fish in a small pond or the small fish in a big pond. I feel like Michael Chandler was arguably the best at 155 at Bellator. I'd say he is maybe 6-8 in UFC. He puts on really fun fights. He is good enough that he could on a given night beat people above him, but he will never go on a run in UFC and will never become champ, but I'm sure he gets paid well because he brings eyeballs. I'm sure that brings positive attention and sponsors. Look at Ryan Bader. That guy would never have been heavyweight or light heavyweight champ in UFC. Ever. Not never. I think he made more as a double champ at Bellator than he would have been as a perennial contender and about number 5-10 in the UFC. Corey Anderson is a great fighter, but he had way more opportunity for a title and money at Bellator. Guys that can't talk trash or can't bring eyeballs. Then again, I used to like Bellator and liked watching you on it.
You make a good point but then you have someone like Khabib who many would say was a boring fighter with little charisma.
@@MarcGrayTWOOM Sure, but I also said who couldn't be the best in the world. That was obviously not the case for Khabib. Not trying to talk skill sets here, but imagine if Khabib had a win ratio of two wins to one loss inside the top ten. He never would have generated the demand to get a title shot, where people like Gaethje are like that and there is always a demand for them to get the shot.
Merry Christmas master chael. I hope you and your family have a wonderful holiday.😊
A fighter’s primary focus should be about money. You want to be in whichever organization yields the highest chance to achieve financial freedom. If the UFC can’t provide that for the fighter, then career waste would be with the UFC. The health risks are already severe enough. Medicine can’t yet reverse TBIs or repair an eye.
I fully acknowledge that this is case by case. So If you really think you are better than the entire UFC roster in your weight class, then go for the UFC. You’ll earn more as a Champion in UFC than if you were in Bellator.
I’m just here for the story times
“Math is very hard….if you have 300,000 x 9, or you have 1,000,000 x 1…there’s no way to know which one is higher”
I love Chael
"Daddy issues and the tattoo on her back!" Another great line by Chael!
Thanks for saying this chael
I agree with the sentiment you’re bringing us however, in a sport like MMA I don’t know if you ever make career worthy money unless you have some form of a name… and to get the name to ever have the option to go off into the night and fight for pay checks without eyes you’ll need to have been in the big leagues.
Ehh they could live Throw a couple performance bonuses in the s&p 500 and do some sponsorships start a podcast it’s not hard
@@Bonzofrombitburg examples?
Who's the real winner? The guy that chases glory and ends up with CTE/busted knees, and gets lots of asks for selfies when he goes out >OR< the guy who literally fought for what he loves, and can now give his family and himself a good life despite the injuries, but he was in Bellator? Who are the "real" fighters?
The new haircut looks good Unc, u look like somebody whose career requires him to be infront of people.
Joe's right. Everyone who ever wanted to fight in the UFC should have just told Dana they wanted a contract and he'd have given them one.
Math: 1million < 2.7million (300k x9)
Uncle Chael: its impossible to know!
Fight Club > UFC. No Eyes, No Money.
You add very interesting takes to these convos. My fav alternative take guy
There is a difference between training and fighting. Training is good for everyone for self defense and conditioning,but actually getting in a cage and taking punishment is dumb unless you are legitimately trying to make a career out of it
Chael so right sometimes 😊
You nailed it
Still waiting on that 5 on 1 match in Vegas hallway… 💪🏻🎅🏻💪🏻
One of your best takes Uncle Chael. Much love from the Philippines
True with 99.99% of the fighters. Only Champs and former UFC guys can make a living at those promotions