Every Single PS1 Skateboarding Game Reviewed!

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  • Опубліковано 3 чер 2018
  • I have finally played every single skateboarding game on the PS1! I'm talking about every game that has a major skateboarding component - not stuff like Spyro that has skateboarding as a minigame. In this video, I rank and review every single one of them. If you want more info on these games, check out some of my full reviews of them below:
    Rocket Power: bit.ly/2JfJNp4
    2Xtreme: bit.ly/2L9MPIF
    THPS1: bit.ly/2snfXVX
    THPS2: bit.ly/2LcfblP
    THPS2 (Korean version): bit.ly/2Jhb8au
    THPS3: bit.ly/2xrXQTT
    THPS4: bit.ly/2srCRuF
    Street Sk8er: bit.ly/2LOEFa2
    Street Sk8er 2: bit.ly/2xu0Xut
    Grind Session: bit.ly/2LKfQMe
    Thrasher Skate and Destroy: bit.ly/2LKfeWW
    MTV Skateboarding: bit.ly/24GJjIh
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  • @ShaneAsman
    @ShaneAsman 6 років тому +226

    If EA won't make another Skate game, then Thrasher Magazine and Rockstar Games need to make a new Skate And Destroy!!!!

    • @alZiiHardstylez
      @alZiiHardstylez 6 років тому +17

      Thrasher's become a little too corporate but that would be mad.

    • @rapha2028
      @rapha2028 5 років тому +9

      And rockstar wouldn’t even continue GTA Series

    • @AaaBbb-ts9fq
      @AaaBbb-ts9fq 4 роки тому +4

      i trust rockstar, they would make an awesome skateboarding game! they did it before!
      but... look at GTA Online. it's basically a pay-to-win game by now.
      Rockstar would probably squeeze every cent out of the players in a skateboarding game too.

    • @j.kol3491
      @j.kol3491 4 роки тому +2

      2 years later...

    • @runrabbrun9867
      @runrabbrun9867 4 роки тому +1

      Skater XL

  • @Larry
    @Larry 6 років тому +113

    Great Video dude!!! Tony Hawk 1 was originally meant to be nothing buy downhill racing tracks, but when they found how fun it was to just ride around instead, they made all the levels like that.
    Tony Hawk's favorite ever level was the downhill track, hence why Activision made downhill jam on the wii, which apparantly didn't do very well.

  • @bene233
    @bene233 6 років тому +91

    This channel is something else, man. Your content is outstanding.

  • @AudiosphereX
    @AudiosphereX 3 роки тому +9

    I just finished Thrasher: Skate and Destroy again and is still to this day one of my favorite games from PS1. I love both TSaD and THPS2 and I appreciate them for being two truly different and fun experiences.

    • @mistamontiel00
      @mistamontiel00 4 місяці тому +1

      I re-finished Thrasher again too it sucks how fast it's done n not enough levels n really nothing to gain except playing with Gameshark.. a true gem the illest n what made me realize rap idn't crap

  • @GrimReacts
    @GrimReacts 6 років тому +32

    So much work went into this. Bravo.

  • @lerigan
    @lerigan 2 роки тому +10

    It's crazy the resoundingly profound impact THPS had on the industry when it came out. Nobody else dared innovate until Skate.

    • @pr6046
      @pr6046 Рік тому

      What do you mean ? Thrasher was innovative just not popular

  • @KeatonSmiley
    @KeatonSmiley 6 років тому +10

    A buddy and I used to play thps3 with zeroed out stats to make realistic lines. Then one day we came across a used copy of thrasher. After rubbing various household creams and pastes into the scarred surface of the disk the game finally booted and the rest is history. Such a wonderful game, I'll never stop singing it's praises

    • @mistamontiel00
      @mistamontiel00 2 роки тому

      The goat, shame they din't keep on and went to BMX formular
      I briefly touched w/e Skate 1 er 2 but I din't care TRASHER Skate & Destroy shits on Skate trilogy and TH of course TH justa comedy franchise

    • @-dfh-866
      @-dfh-866 2 роки тому +1

      @@mistamontiel00 I played thps back when I was little and picked up thps 1+2 and like it. Ppl say it feels like real skating, but I disagree. Its an arcade style game and just unrealistic. Imo, the real skateboard game of today is skater xl. There's challenges but only to !ale you better at the game. Other than that, it's all about finding spots and doing a line and making a video. It gets to where I take like an hour to make my line perfect which is what real skating is. I never played thrasher though.

    • @mistamontiel00
      @mistamontiel00 2 роки тому

      @@-dfh-866 It's a real treat and then the Dave Mirra BMXs after too, there is ragdoll, and if you run timer out you get first person view of cop/mugger/dog chasing you

  • @DarrenT777
    @DarrenT777 6 років тому +4

    Around the time THPS 1 and 2 came out there was a THPS forum on a site called Delphi and some of the better players on there were doing incredible lines in THPS 1. Really pushing what you thought was possible in those early games. The developers had a meet up with fans at a skate park in my town and I met a guy named Aaron who worked for Neversoft, he gave me a bunch of spiderman stickers and a spiderman poster and was a really friendly guy. Once other kids there found out who he was I remember everyone swarmed him and were asking a bunch of questions, it was great. One kid really wanted to know if you could skate outside of the Burnside level in THPS1, it was a huge rumor back then. :)

  • @PACKERMAN2077
    @PACKERMAN2077 6 років тому +169

    "Rocket Power has more glitches than any other game I've seen in my life!"
    *THPS 5 never existed then*

    • @klauserikk
      @klauserikk 6 років тому +7

      PAKTRA_PRODUCTIONS WATCH_DOGS he either hasn't played thps5 or he meant he has seen the most glitches on the ps1

    • @TANMAN9095
      @TANMAN9095 6 років тому +2

      he is still correct. any other game he has *SEEN*

    • @PACKERMAN2077
      @PACKERMAN2077 6 років тому

      none of your business yes, because before, you couldn't even play it *_to see the glitches!_* 😂😂😂

    • @SMIBBProductions
      @SMIBBProductions 6 років тому +1

      I loved playing those games, in fact, we still play it
      m.ua-cam.com/video/9eOQR8M_n_Y/v-deo.html

    • @vpajuluoma
      @vpajuluoma 6 років тому

      none of your business But it still sucks ass

  • @zukodude487987
    @zukodude487987 6 років тому +47

    I take offense to the PSX version of THPS4. That game was awesome, having a ps1 game that had most of the iconic features of the ps2 Tony hawk games in a PSX games was very fun since you couldn't really play THPS2 with the same insane combo mechanics that most ps2 games had. THPS4 feels like playing THPS2, but with revert, spine transfers, balance meters, linking grinds, pivots, triple flips etc.

    • @rodneyprill4618
      @rodneyprill4618 5 років тому

      I agree

    • @tropixx_xlr1549
      @tropixx_xlr1549 4 роки тому

      Its still great, thats for sure, all the tony hawk playstation 1 games are awesome

    • @MosoKaiser
      @MosoKaiser 4 роки тому

      It feels like THPS2 because it essentially _is._ Basically a THPS4 re/demake done in the THPS2 engine.

    • @zukodude487987
      @zukodude487987 4 роки тому +2

      @@MosoKaiser Sure in comparison to the original THPS4 on ps2 it's considered a "demake", but in comparison to THPS2 i consider it an upgrade since it adds so much more to the game.

    • @dariohc6898
      @dariohc6898 4 роки тому +1

      But in the PS1 I don't think it was better than THPS 2. I played it a lot but only because I couldn't buy a PS2 back then. It had more content but looks worse the "real thing", their vision was on PS2.

  • @lilplum37
    @lilplum37 6 років тому +14

    Street Sk8er was my first game ever on the ps1 and i loved it

  • @JamesVader47xx
    @JamesVader47xx 4 роки тому +13

    I’m glad grind session is higher then thps1 cus I always felt that way

  • @benjaminchode144
    @benjaminchode144 6 років тому +111

    thrasher skate and destroy best skateboard game on ps1 hands down

    • @strictlybusiness1679
      @strictlybusiness1679 6 років тому +8

      Michael Perez underrated just because of the thps release. Great soundtrack and trick selection. Good times

    • @RyuNoZero
      @RyuNoZero 6 років тому +2

      imagine GTA Online gets a Thrasher Update, I mean we got a Smuggler's Run Update so why not?

    • @benjaminchode144
      @benjaminchode144 6 років тому +1

      if they did that i will bet supreme will be in it again

    • @RyuNoZero
      @RyuNoZero 6 років тому

      I mean, we have skateparks and bmx, we even can do tricks like 180, 360 and backflips so yeah

    • @xavierrivera9130
      @xavierrivera9130 6 років тому

      Loved it

  • @AA-no8tm
    @AA-no8tm 6 років тому +5

    The first Street Sk8er was really fun and had a sweet soundtrack

  • @jayive34
    @jayive34 4 роки тому +6

    Thrashers! I'm sure it's the one I remember. The demo had a cop chasing you after the time limit. You would see the cop's point of view, but control the skater.

  • @jhonadelic
    @jhonadelic 6 років тому +11

    On THPS1, I always try to manual. Still my first and favorite.

  • @Mx64MaxyImpress
    @Mx64MaxyImpress 3 роки тому +2

    Remember when skateboard was such a mainstream back then in 90s and early 2000s with rockin' soundtrack with punk,rock,and hip-hop pumped up your gameplay!

  • @MillRunner
    @MillRunner 6 років тому +37

    Great video! Only complaint is that I'd rename the video "Every Single PS1 Skateboarding Game Ranked!". Reviewed implies something else.

  • @Floatillyboats
    @Floatillyboats 6 років тому +5

    Ahh Thrasher Skate and Destroy has a lot of nostalgia for me. I loved this game and still do. Good list!

  • @axelgr9351
    @axelgr9351 5 років тому +1

    Agree with 1st place. Soundtrack, levels, skaters, special tricks, game interface. Masterpiece.

  • @justindoyle5996
    @justindoyle5996 4 роки тому +3

    You can put the street skater game in the CD player and plays the sound track. That shit changed my life.

  • @Aristotle1982
    @Aristotle1982 6 років тому +2

    Good to see you again Rad Rat. I know that life is busy but always a pleasure to see a new you pop up again. Hope all is well.

  • @11HeathAdams
    @11HeathAdams 6 років тому +15

    Thrasher skate and destroy is life

  • @RetardicA
    @RetardicA 6 років тому +1

    I seriously love your channel. You deserve so many more subscribers and I hope you find time to keep uploading content. Also your title intro is one of the best of all time. Always bop my head when the logo comes up. Cheers!!!

  • @flutterdrive4286
    @flutterdrive4286 6 років тому +21

    Oh boy, cant wait for your metal gear solid 2 substance video.

    • @Di5turb3d0ne666
      @Di5turb3d0ne666 5 років тому

      That ended up just being a demo for Evolution Skateboarding, which he's covered.

  • @jeremycainebowen
    @jeremycainebowen 6 років тому +2

    love your dedication, radrat! i remember playing 3xtreme and grind session on old ps1 demo discs as a kid.... :)

  • @Zvox
    @Zvox 6 років тому +4

    Ayy, I just wanted to say man, I absolutely LOVE your channel. I've been interested in skateboarding pretty much since the original THPS came out when I was a kid, but can't actually skate due to the fact that I use a wheelchair. I kinda lost interest in it when I was a teenager, but fell down a skating rabbit hole on youtube after watching some Richie Jackson and The Gonz vids. Your channel popped up, and I've just been going through your back catalog for like...a month now. I really love and appreciate this channel and all the skate history and stuff. Super cool.
    Why don't you have a Patreon? I feel like if you had one, you might be able to do this as a full-time job eventually. I know that I'd love to throw some money your way.

  • @mordaciousfilms
    @mordaciousfilms Рік тому +1

    THPS was a game-changer but it's really wild to see other games from around that same time trying to cash-in on the craze in their own way... it's like seeing an alternate-universe THPS. I don't recall any other skate games from back in the day beyond EVOLUTION SKATEBOARDING, which I got addicted to for a while. Nice video.

  • @iawnlad
    @iawnlad 6 років тому

    I wish these were longer :) great job!

  • @davidaames64
    @davidaames64 4 роки тому

    I love this video! Great to see every single one in one video. Thank you so much. ❤️

  • @ennote91
    @ennote91 3 роки тому

    I've watched your videos a few times now. Enjoy the nostalgia

  • @leahsdreams
    @leahsdreams Рік тому

    Very strong list!
    I've got THPS 2 & 3 in my forever collection, may be looking to add Grind Session soon.

  • @djsubliminalreeve
    @djsubliminalreeve 4 роки тому +5

    thrasher was the OG game and the soundtrack made me like cetain types of music mostly a tribe called quest

  • @WildSkateboarder
    @WildSkateboarder 6 років тому

    I really liked as you went on with the list, the play station opening to reveal the game was really cool!!!

  • @MathyMathy
    @MathyMathy 6 років тому

    THANK YOU. Just had to say that beacause I got the same vision like you. THPS2 and Thrasher were both the best skate games for PS1. I still play Thrasher every week because of the spirit. Anyway, you deserve more views and you still doing an amazing work. THANK YOU again.

  • @shawnkintz1538
    @shawnkintz1538 2 роки тому

    I love your channel man. Keep up the good work. You're a badass!

  • @wiseandfunfox
    @wiseandfunfox 4 роки тому +3

    I remember playing a demo disc that had thrasher on it at a buddies house, we both played it for days! The whole vibe is what really makes it special. First off it starts you out in free play, then you can actually start the contest without backing out into the menu's, so it felt really natural once you warmed up you could play to get the point requirements. The clothes are baggy, the music is dope grungy rap, fuck the police vibe, it really made you feel like your skating the streets. The level design felt like a real city or actual real spots to skate. The flow of the game is what i really like, it's much slower, you spin slow and tricks actually spin pretty close to real life, so it made doing complex tricks more satisfying. I liked tony hawk games played the shit out of them all once I was younger, but now 20 years later I'm still playing Thrasher. As you get older you just want to play for a bit, so i really like that, you can play the whole game in roughly a half hour if your decent. If you guys want another great game, I recommend Dave Miras freestyle BMX which also does the 90's vibe justice.

  • @bearbears3047
    @bearbears3047 2 роки тому

    Oh my childhood. Thank you for uploading this. I’ve been trying to remember for years which one that i used to play.

  • @Terrtail
    @Terrtail 4 роки тому

    3Xtreme, Snake n Destroy and THPS1 were my childhood. I remember getting this 3 in 1 disc with Skate n Destroy, THPS1 and some snowboarding game i don't remember the name of, that was my introduction to skateboarding games and i fell in love

  • @6scar911
    @6scar911 4 роки тому

    The downhill jams in THPS1 were great as a kid. I would pause and restart automatically after a fall and eventually I would get everything on a first try

  • @sk27aa
    @sk27aa 6 років тому +4

    thrasher will always be my favorite, play it all the time to this day. the realism makes it the most fun to me. great video tho

  • @mordaciousfilms
    @mordaciousfilms Рік тому

    GOD, you awakened the contempt I had for ROCKET POWER... my friend had that game back in the day... it was horrendous!

  • @boemboemize
    @boemboemize 5 років тому

    I really like those intros with the ps. Nicely done!

  • @smoresthehusky2581
    @smoresthehusky2581 6 років тому

    Badass review man! But is psybadek a skate game too?

  • @HighSkiez
    @HighSkiez 5 років тому +2

    Oh man! Thrasher! That was the game I was looking for all these years! Thanks man! I knew there was a skateboarding game that had a cop chasing after you with a taser.

  • @forwatching6708
    @forwatching6708 4 роки тому

    The clip you showed of ESPN extreme games reminded me of an old saga megadrive game i loved as a kid called skitching.

  • @vivamojo
    @vivamojo 4 роки тому

    The piece on the wall behind you is really cool.

  • @sean_shimmer
    @sean_shimmer 6 років тому +2

    Jeeze just the thumbnail pics of the tops of the cds brings the nostalgia knife to the gut

  • @noahlennon3526
    @noahlennon3526 4 роки тому +1

    How did you not talk about the amazing subway level in Skate and Destroy. Had so much fun hurling my body into a moving train.

  • @artoub8143
    @artoub8143 4 роки тому

    love your reviews! used to play the first 3 games a lot. Are you gonna do a vid on all portable games? or maybe all 2d games?

  • @farmhousefilmfactory4375
    @farmhousefilmfactory4375 5 років тому

    This is awesome, thps 2 is surely my all time favorite as well. Also, I like how you didn't show all of the levels on any game!

  • @wildsurfer12
    @wildsurfer12 4 роки тому

    I bet you can’t wait to play the remaster of THPS2 in September! Please do a review on that when it comes out.

  • @mikerevell8145
    @mikerevell8145 5 років тому +1

    My friends always stuck to THPS games (THPS2 was my all time favourite) but I found a gem in grind session. The soundtrack to this game was awesome too, I believe it was Jurassic 5 who did a couple of tracks. Great game.

  • @Anemptybox
    @Anemptybox 6 років тому

    Hey Rad Rat, just saw Caddicarus episode of Net Yaroze games for PS1 and there's a skateboard game there called "Super Ramp Skater Deluxe Turbo Alpha Plus". Would be fun to see you try it even if it barely can be called a game. Love your channel!

  • @memphis4167
    @memphis4167 5 років тому

    Thank you I really enjoyed your video and your opinion. Subscribed

  • @ghostcat8244
    @ghostcat8244 6 років тому +1

    Tony hawk pro skater 2 was the best fav game on ps1 days.

  • @ufacui4492
    @ufacui4492 6 років тому

    Super cool! Thank you from France

  • @waloacme
    @waloacme 6 років тому

    Awesome video man. I would slightly change the list because thrasher is my no1. But THPS2 is so very close.

  • @bbas5612
    @bbas5612 6 років тому

    amazing vid. you are the man.

  • @frmr2874
    @frmr2874 6 років тому +1

    That boneless to impossible is my next trick goal

  • @arp_909
    @arp_909 4 роки тому

    Something about the gameplay in Thrasher is so satisfying, as are the flip animations. Loved that game

  • @retro__glitch1572
    @retro__glitch1572 6 років тому +1

    THPS 1 and 2 on dreamcast still awesome to play if you still own a dreamcast

  • @CaleTheNail
    @CaleTheNail 5 років тому

    THANK YOU
    Iv been trying to remember thrasher for a very long time, I wanted to listen to the theme song that I still remember from where I was super young.
    I remember playing it on a demo disk and I thought up in till now it was a Tony Hawk game. But you reminded me that you get chased at the end and set a lot of bells off for me. THANKS

  • @JoeBushOnline
    @JoeBushOnline 6 років тому +1

    I respect the courage to put Thrasher all the way up where you put it so much. That game was waaaay ahead of its time

  • @CarlStacey
    @CarlStacey 6 років тому

    SO EXCITED FOR A NEW VIDEO!!!

  • @JP-ut6gd
    @JP-ut6gd 6 років тому +4

    Finnaly new video!!!!

  • @AmpersandFB
    @AmpersandFB 6 років тому

    Amazing video!

  • @megumareta6361
    @megumareta6361 5 років тому

    I like how in the skate series you need to press the grind button yet you have to do an ollie and land on the rails or edges to grind

  • @krabby6186
    @krabby6186 5 років тому

    Love your videos✌💪

  • @DanTheMiddleagedMan
    @DanTheMiddleagedMan 6 років тому

    Great video 👌🏼

  • @mink03
    @mink03 6 років тому

    You beat me to it.. I just managed to secure my CIB copies of Grind Session and Thrasher

  • @TastySnackies
    @TastySnackies 6 років тому

    Great job! More console anthologies, please!

  • @mortmortmort8908
    @mortmortmort8908 4 роки тому +1

    Best thing about Street Sk8er though is that soundtrack

  • @virtuaskimmer6714
    @virtuaskimmer6714 6 років тому +5

    I'm thinking about porting thrasher to the Sega Saturn roughly. Anyone know if the 3D models are ripped? Might do street skater since it's easier and more arcade/Sega like

  • @OGHalcyon
    @OGHalcyon 6 років тому

    Yay you’re back!

  • @itschelseakay
    @itschelseakay 4 роки тому

    MTV skateboarding was my FAVORITE but I forgot the name of it. Thank you!!

  • @MitchDenham
    @MitchDenham 6 років тому

    THPS1 is still my favourite skateboarding PS1 game, probably because it was the one I played the most. I still remember getting it Christmas Morning in 1999. Its soundtrack also inspired my taste in music as I got older. I love that game, and I still have my original copy, but it is showing its age.

  • @olegb139
    @olegb139 4 роки тому

    Love this. Respectfully, I disagree on THP3's placement but mad respect for the "arguments"/points you made.

  • @da1nonly345
    @da1nonly345 4 роки тому

    Nice Kandinsky painting!

  • @thebfg836
    @thebfg836 6 років тому

    Playing THPS1 and Street Sk8ter are 2 games i still play. They have some of my fav songs to listen to...Superman by Goldfinger for example.

  • @Seraphim_skateboards
    @Seraphim_skateboards 2 роки тому

    I love your logo! It’s very 90s !

  • @nostyau
    @nostyau 6 років тому

    2:13 I remember that game I used to play it alot when I was younger 😂

  • @brianpalladino8473
    @brianpalladino8473 3 роки тому

    Thps4 literally made me cry. Played my buddies on ps2, got mine for my birthday for ps1...... Crushed

  • @dbnpoldermans4120
    @dbnpoldermans4120 5 років тому

    Please if you think it's a good idea also make these top review video's for SS, DC, GC, XBOX, PS2/3. Awesome video, this one!

  • @bigblackdaddyblue
    @bigblackdaddyblue 6 років тому

    It's been so long since I played Tony Hawk Pro Skater 1/2 and Grind Session....good memories

  • @RIPJimmyA7X
    @RIPJimmyA7X 6 років тому +4

    man there is such a hole in the industry for a skating game, Rockstar needs to make a new skate and destroy. as well done as their maps are on the gta series they could knock the level design out of the park and nowadays they would have the ability to really smooth out the gameplay

  • @benphone7430
    @benphone7430 6 років тому

    you should make a thug 2 server dude, should the opertunity arise, group plays would be awesome, it's worth a thought, I'm so happy I avoided many of the games in the video 😂

  • @dannystarkridesfixed
    @dannystarkridesfixed 6 років тому

    I forgot about most These outside;: the tony hawk games, rocket power and thrasher.

  • @josephlabonte8502
    @josephlabonte8502 6 років тому +1

    Please do something on the delta flip

  • @SillagorillaSkates
    @SillagorillaSkates 6 років тому

    Do T&C surf design.. I used to love the skating in that game when I was little

  • @ostertag89
    @ostertag89 6 років тому

    Yes agree with your number one 1and2 and grind session so much fun

  • @patrickriarchy6054
    @patrickriarchy6054 4 роки тому +2

    Grindsession introduced me to alot of great bands and rappers when I was a kid.

  • @janio.9418
    @janio.9418 5 років тому

    THPS2 was my first games ever played. Really loved Koston and Mullen. Thank you for your opinion that it is number 1 skate games all time of PS1.

    • @Filtertipboom
      @Filtertipboom 4 роки тому

      I'm lucky enough to have seen Koston skate at the only big park where I live the dude was a machine

  • @eringildea1854
    @eringildea1854 6 років тому +1

    You deserve so many more subscribers.

    • @Irraptured
      @Irraptured 4 роки тому

      A year later and I agree.

  • @arcadedude1987
    @arcadedude1987 6 років тому

    In defense of the Street Sk8er games, when they came out, I remember seeing Top Skater in arcades and that was the closest I could get to playing it at home. They're weird games, but I don't think they're bad once you wrap your head around it. I'd rather play those than the Xtreme games.

  • @Michael_Wehrley
    @Michael_Wehrley 5 років тому

    2Xtreme is rad. Skateboarding games, and skateboarding in general has come a long way since then, but I love how raw and pure it is. Just riding fast and going off launch ramps.

  • @connor4911
    @connor4911 4 роки тому

    I have so many good memories of playing TH2 with my brother when I was a kid.

  • @QuarrelsomeLocalOaf
    @QuarrelsomeLocalOaf 6 років тому

    11:43 is that the same actor that voiced Canderous Ordo in the Star Wars Knights of the Old Republic games?

  • @Abbnfitchguy
    @Abbnfitchguy 6 років тому

    Love “Thrasher Skate and Destroy!” It has the best music out of any skating game. I still own my copy on disc.

  • @PinkManGuy
    @PinkManGuy 3 роки тому

    I had the JAMPACK demo disc that featured a demo copy of Thrasher Skate and Destroy where the cops would shoot you at the end of the match if you didn't leave