In its annual spring football game, Michigan showed it still has an impressive array of depth, athleticism, and physicality. However, it also showed it doesn’t yet have a QB1. 
IMO Warren looked the best, with orji second. I had hoped for denegal but he looked pretty bad. The defense definitely looks like it's gonna be great again. Edwards looks like he's gonna be great. RB room in general will be good. Wide receivers have potential. Oline looked ok. My biggest concern is definitely kicker... We need a better kicker.
JJ was the best Michigan QB in my watching lifetime and I started watching seriously as a teen in '78. The stuff he could do, especially on the run, was beyond any that came before him. Just unbelievable
Correct, I've been watching about as long.....no one put the ball on a string with zip throwing across his body while running like JJ did, no one close. Surprised this is even a question for some, but they are probably fair weather fans.
@doctordetroit4339 yep. JJ could throw really well from the pocket but so could a lot of others like Chad Henne. But nobody could do the stuff on the run that JJ did. If you chased him out of the pocket, he made you pay dearly. That on the run TD throw against Nebraska still blows my mind
@themandownthehall A beautiful thing to watch! One of the few qbs who was almost better when the play broke down. He thrived in chaos lol. Wish we had him 1 more year.
Orji is a threat because of his strength and running ability and when you play touch football it takes that away. His throws were not terrible and once he can run it will make the defense actually play with a spy which gives the offense an advantage. No way a transfer comes in and does anything with this team
Waller in the portal now. Thinking the spring game going away with the portal and NIL being so active. It makes it too easy for other teams to acknowledge players and throw bags at them
Orji eas taken out the game for 2 quarters but nobody was saying any of this when he was the only qb last spring game before this one to not turn the ball over. Since the spring game shows everything in evaluation of QBs. In this style of orji opens up the option with edwards on the field with him. Michigan had the most 3rd and shorts converted last season. When it’s 3rd ad 3 , nobody has shown they could tackle orji solo. It takes multiple people to tackle him. The offense was 60th ranked last season and the team won the title. It doesn’t require a qb to throw 25x per game.
Great analysis, Steve. Love the "LIONS Good" story. Best thing u said? We had a standard for our team and what is should look like during the Bo/Mo/LC era.... I think even after the coaching change and the 20 + players gone to the NFL, we still have some dudes and a way to win. That was my take away from Saturday.
Normally I would agree with Steve, but I think the time to get one was during the early portal period. Unfortunately, Harbaugh was still in limbo about staying or going as was JJ. Now it's most likely too late unless you want to take someone else's scraps. IMO, I think we saw enough from Saturdays scrimmage to believe that we have two playable QBs; maybe even 3 if Tuttle can rehab his injured elbow before season starts. The likelihood of getting someone via the portal who's better and will be able to learn the offense well enough is very slim. OC Campbell pretty much stated after the game they're not looking at the portal for QB help at this time. I do however believe they will look to add a starting caliber kicker, and depth at WR, DLine, LB and Safety or Corner. But let's be honest...this team is not last years team. It's not gonna win a National Championship. Can it still beat OSU and win the Big10? I think so. Our style of play is why that's possible. We're more physical than most teams and that matters. But let's let this play out. Even if Arch Manning jumped in the portal tomorrow, it'd cost a billion dollars to bring him to Ann Arbor. So it wouldn't matter anyway because Michigan doesn't pay for players to go there. Trust the coaching staff and their culture, and we'll be fine.
Most of us expect a down year. They can still make the playoff in a down year so it’s not that bad. I agree they will be fine but this season (due to the schedule and players that moved on) will be tough.
I’ll take orji over any of them Moble qb he can run with him Donavan and Mullins orji can throw made a few bad passes but once he was settled down he was getting the chains moving Edwards will be caring the offense this year
Orji is very talented and should be on the field a LOT. A passer? Mid. It’s obvious to me. He should QB ~10 plays and be a slot/RB 10-20 plays a game. IMHO
Trust me process and Coach Moore. He's got the "Magic Eye". Don't be surprised if it's AO. Dynamic!! We are playing TX, Oregon, Washington and OH. Warren played against 3/4 string CB. Their won't be any portal QB's brought in. Our next QB is in the room
Don’t really know which game you were watching. Davis Warren didn’t look bad at all, but didn’t look nearly as good as Orji. Orji didn’t start well as you mentioned, but throughout his snaps he looked strong, delivered on time, delivered using touch, and read the defense well.
My apologies, Steve fashionably late. Our future horses are fleeing, as you said; we are thin, especially on the OL . Just hold one breath so that injuries don't crop up. Overall, Michigan is on point prediction, Steve. We may lose a couple games.? Just as long as we make the tourney and you & everyone know once that any team enters the tourney, anything can happen. We finally really beat Alabama, not only on the field that may have left Nick Saban to his retirement, and in this year's draft, we are the college program with the most draftees, FANSTANIC! Always, GOBLUE-NATTYUP🏆!
If orji gives us cade McNamara production with athletic ability ...ill take it.....plus he has plenty of time between now and fresno to work extensively on footwork and accuracy.
That’s the best way I’ve heard it said. My worry is he won’t have Cade production cause he’s not that type of passer and will look to run after his first read isn’t open.
Well, it’s Groundhog Day again. Everyone knows who’s great and knows who the starters are going into the first game. Same damn thing every year after the spring game.
Everyone is reading too much in to the spring game! It’s one freaking practice of dozens! This battle will go into early fall, but one thing is for sure, we have a QB1 on our current roster!
I think Jadyn Davis is going to be good eventually. Probably next year. Losing Waller may end up hurting with Moore going down, but I think Zeke Berry will be the guy there.
The hell with the portal. I think the team is all right as is. The only transfer quarterback that was ever worth anything was the kid from Iowa can’t remember his name. The rest of them was trash. This program got back on track when Harbaugh finally took the time to develop the quarterbacks he actually recruited. I personally like Orji but I would be comfortable with the other kid too.
He received offers from Bama and Georgia we got in late before he got cancer he was a 4* as a jr we gave him a preferred walk on scholarship he’s damn good
"Orji came back in and disappointed??" He led the blue team right down the field for a score that was taken off the scoreboard because someone touched his leg. Lol. That would've been 6 in any real game. I think we can win w either Orji or Warren. Wr a definite need. Young DBs; Hill, Waller, Berry and McBurrows all made multiple plays. And young DL depth looked good. Go Blue!
I couldn’t have said it better myself. Literally my exact breakdown. I thought orji looked pretty damn good given how we’ve been so concerned about him throwing. Yeah he missed a couple easy ones early but I remember JJ missing all his deep balls his sophomore year and he turned out pretty damn good. Orji can throw the ball to the sideline with emphasis. I think either one could lead us to a championship but I think orji will give us a better chance with his dynamics
@@calvinhobbes6118 and orji was dealing with a hamstring issue going into the spring game. That’s my point bud this is not a slight to JJ it’s a slight to these analysts who don’t know the whole story. Nice try chief
@@mikesabrowsky2433 Equating a gimpy hamstring to a QB having off-season shoulder surgery on his throwing arm wherein he cannot throw a ball for months, is not the same. Orji did not look great passing, we know he can run and is hard to take down, but in this game, all his passes were short, his longest completion was 12 yards.
@@calvinhobbes6118 not once did I compare the two injuries. The second time I’ve had to reiterate that to you. You clearly can’t comprehend and your points make absolutely zero sense. Never did I say the spring game for JJ bud I said the season. One day you might understand
Warren will be are qb1 orgi 2 then 3,4 up in the air are defence is going to be amazing wr looked decent rbs will be good and we will pick up a few guys from the portal
There's a lot of chatter about Orji and Warren but I don't think we know if either of them can lead us to double digit wins. It's still a big question mark IMHO. Hopefully one of them can take over and get the job done.
i thought Warren looked good, that late drive by Orji, underneathing it down the field was impressive. i'd like to see more J. Davis.... just looks young!
Warren looked great. Your being too hard on orji. He completed 72% and was taking what the defense gave him in the late game. A defense that was split in 2 and half of college football would love to have either half as their entire defense.
Hilarious. I listened to a couple other podcasts on this game and both said Orji is QB1. One didn't even mention Davis Warren which kinda surprised me cause I thought he played really good
It's hard to say with the relatively small sample size given that no QB was in for the entire game, but overall, I thought Orji acquitted himself well. That last drive he was put back in, he lead them downfield and did get into the end zone, just had it called back because a defender got a hand on him. But, if you ask me, the angle the defender had and the direction Orji was moving away from him, in a live tackle situation there is no way Orji gets brought down. That's a touchdown. I'm less concerned about the QB situation. I think Orji will almost certainly be the guy this season. Jadyn Davis will undoubtedly develop into QB1 for next season or the season after. The kicking situation definitely needs more attention, though. We got spoiled with Jake 'Money' Moody, and Turner last year was an OK replacement. Playing the way this team likes to play, there will absolutely be situations where the kicker getting points on the board will be vital. Definitely agree on the physicality front. Aside from the no-tackling-the-QB rule, there was some excellent tackling and the one play where the RB had a violent block against the blitz, outstanding. They were not playing super easy out there. They were going for it. Competing hard. Love to see it.
To be fair, the QB's were throwing against an elite defense which leads me to my second point... If the offense needs a couple games to find its identity this fall, I see a defense that can win low scoring games against CFP caliber teams.
Something that gets forgotten about Warren is the only reason he was a walk on was because of the cancer he fought in HS. It’s very likely that had he never had that diagnosis he was a low 4* kind of player
As a young kid in Ohio, i became a UM fan. But in the 80s and 90s, i was in California ALOT, and became an S.C. fan. So now im "scouting" a future opponent. Life sure can turn at a moments notice. I hope UM can find or develop a QB. Cuz S.C. is improving by leaps and bounds on D. See you in Sept. LoVE your show Steve! ✌️🗡🏈
No portal QB. Sorry Steve, not happening. Orji and Warren and Tuttle all can move the offense now. Davis will be able to do so by November, if needed. All four are better QB's than McNamara in 2021, 2022, 2023.
Great takes Steve, as usual. This will be Sherrone's first big test, what he is able to do at the QB position (kicker too.) Too bad McCord seems a bit traumatized by his time with the Nuts. I would LOVE to see how well he could lead this offense.
@@Wayne-tk5mx @taxisquad11 Yup, I think this is the bigger issue, the lack of competitive fire in his bones (see Tom Brady) not his lack of mobility (also see Tom Brady). Having said that though, there is no question that a QB with wheels always helps as that was a big part of the upgrade of JJ over Cade. Plus the arm. Plus the leadership. "We'll be back, and I promise that." (post TCU)
We're good at QB if Orji has MacNamara production and his athletic ability. Going to the portal trying find a better QB this late in the game, that probably not as good as you got already. No we're good at QB trust the process. Kicking game know that's another story.
Steve, as a 50+ year Jewish follower in Messiah, I saw your interview with Pastor Jack Hibbs, I have lost all respect for The U of M for letting graduation turn into a takeover for HAMAS. May they own the cost of never being unemployed because of their behavior.BTW Ohio State, USC, UCLA, Northwestern, Rutgers and all Universities who caved to terrorism should all lose federal funding. All colleges and universities have become a joke.
What the hell are you talking about Steve 🤣 what do you mean you were discouraged do you mean encouraged ⁉️ Alex Orji last drive was a touchdown drive. And he threw the ball at 72% . Last year even King JJ missed EZ passes in fact he threw a terrible interception. And his pass percentage wasn't as good as orji was yesterday. But somehow he managed to win a championship 🏆. With orji ability to run you will be crazy not to use him. Did you mention that orji was poised and had a great ending drive and that should have been a touchdown. Besides Michigan hands the ball off for the most part.anyway Orji in the RPO will be deadly Orji has came a long way and if the play breaks down I want orji to take off and run. Do you think Warren can take off and run. Not trying to dis Warren he had a great game. We need orji that can erase trouble with his legs.
I wonder if at this point there are any QB's in the portal better than what we have ? If they don't find one much better what's the point. The fact that Orji brings a huge threat in the run game still gives him the upper hand in being the starter. They can build the offense to suit his style. If the first 2 reads don't work, then Run Alex Run !
I worry about chemistry by adding a QB to a 5 man room...gotta bet WR though Fred Moore K Bell impressed for more than expected....GO BLUE!!! NATIONAL CHAMPS!!!!
Sheronne Moore's offense is going to be predictable. Ground and Pound RPO with Orji, Edwards and Mullings. If we had the offensive line from last season with this seasons WR room, I would be okay with it, but I think Warren gives us true QB play. Orji is going to start, though. I think Sherrone is a bridge coach. I think he will make us playoff contenders, just not championship contenders.
Sorry, but the kicker and Denigal were horrible, and Orji disappointed me, and Michigan needs a big body tall receiver to catch the 50/50 balls out the portal, but the field gold kicker is just horrible
Being discouraged when Orji can't back in the game at the end is showing a bit of bias. He came in and took the offense down the field and actually scored... Moore blew the whistle on that play prematurely.... Orji played very well with the exception of two passes the entire game... Orji will be QB1 and Warren will be the backup... Michigan will not be looking into the portal for transfer QB... We're good at QB with what we have internally and will prove it on the field those upcoming season. #GoBlue
Someone who understood this year would be the first year of the 12-team play-off and it goes from making the 4-team play-off w/ the fewest losses to the making it with the toughest schedule and best wins.
Strength of schedule this year compared to last few years matters as well not just team losing lots of guys and coaches. 8 or 9 wins is ceiling for this team.
Dude why are y'all all hating on orji? The dude completed around 65% of his passes. Went like 13/19 for 105 yards and 2 rush TDs (he's definitely not getting sacked on that last one). Yeah he missed 2-3 throws but they were very fixable mistakes. Y'all need to chill out with orji. Y'all are acting like he played like hit dog water.
You need a lot more than that lmao. You need all your eighth year platinum mega covid senior citizens back. When all things are equal um doesn't fair so well.
@@avi7278 2023 National Champs and BACK-to-BACK-to-BACK BIG10 Champs!!! Its not my fault you are 17 years old so you werent around when Michigan dominated the rivalry and the BIG10 like they have for 3 straight years.
Dude, are you blind? Orji was actually pretty good late in the game with many completions and an absurdly dumb "no TD" call and this part of the game wasn't exactly garbage time. Rewatch. You overstate. Warren did look the best, I just don't think it was by the margins you claim. You fairly note this game is just one of of many more development stages this Spring. These young men are in a stage of hyper-development. Oriji does have the advantage of more upside than the older Warren and is certainly more physical. But, QB's, if strictly pocket passers, have many more years to develop now and less likely to get injured than mobile qb's.. See Tom Brady!! Nonetheless, you do great work much of the time.
This is going to be a spotted bag of tricks at best… but let's not say for lack of foresight, we don't have a quarterback - Michigan has several, and for the first time in a long time, this is not a bad place to be in. Orji looks fantastic, people need to wrap their heads around Alex being the starter, it's going to happen. He actively has the most to work with, with respect to the way Michigan's offensive built... he is not a drop-back passer so superimposing pocket passer metrics over a dual threat quarterback is continuing to befuddle people, stop it already! He doesn't have to pass.... not at all. As long as he is the fourth rushing option at 3rd and red zone situations, that's enough to open up the defense... and give them cause for pause, while considering to exert an option - that is the whole purpose for the DT quarterback, it puts an offense in the best place to move the chains. Now, when do you pass? You pass you want to, not because you're forced to... Did Michigan's offense is so good right now, they don't need to pass. Which is why the RPO game is so strong, which is why you l pass when you want to toy with the opposing defense... Not because you have to, because your quarterback has no legs and can't scramble more than eggs. Orji's got the same things he’s gotta work on this slowly getting better, Davis Warren did step up, but he didn’t step out of all we expected he'd step up, but rather, in line with where we knew he would be. As for Denegal, if anyone makes a break for the transfer portal, I’m predicting he’ll be first… he’s ancillary at this point, but he has snaps Warren very few - and as for the true freshman Davis, he only had one snap... I think... so, for me what do you want to say? Lol In my mind it’s going to be: 1. Orji 2. Warren 3. Denegal 4. Davis I think what Sherrone Moore is gonna end up doing is exactly what Jim Harbaugh did when you had bubble quarterbacks, where they’re right on the bubble, play them both until The bubble bursts, and one advances At any rate, the thing to be proud of is that Michigan’s QB bench is stacked and the defense looked awesome… M Go Blue🏈
@@taxisquad11 no, that is not what I am sharing... It's just, when you bring talent on you have to measure the talent by the basics of the position. And then play that out against the way the game is played today, and there's a curious full circle to be observed. The pocket passer isn't the thing anymore, the game has gone 360 back to the original quarterback, which was nothing more than a running back with an arm. This advent, has been rebranded the RPO game, and the best quarterback to run this dynamic is a dual-threat quarterback. Alex Orji puts Michigan in the best position to capitalize on where they left off... Because as good as JJ McCarthy was, JJ was just mobile, Orji can actually rush. Michigan hasn't had that since Denard Robinson. And those who remember, remember Denard Robinson took a toll on defenses... it would be beautiful to get that aspect back. Look, don't get me wrong, I like this kid Davis Warren, but he's not even really mobile... so if he could work on that, you might be looking at JJ Jr. - and firmly believe he will play at Michigan. But as it stands, the priority has to shift to what keeps the offense the most together for what it is. Orji without a doubt, considering what quarterback model Alabama had in Jalen Milroe, for Michigan to just have the equivalent on their bench, would be suicidal and not starting him. Because as far as his passing goes, he passes more than good enough for what you would need a dual threat QB to handle - the trick here for the offensive coordinator, is to game in a way, where the quarterback is not put into position to need to have to pass, passing should always be the "option", not the necessity. Hence.... "smash-mouth" Now, does that mean you do not continue to sharpen that weapon with his passing, by all means you would be remiss in not doing so... Just don't lose sight of the fact that he's a dual-threat quarterback, you run your dual threat on 3rd down and Red zone situations... and remember the pass is just the option. That way defenses are always on their toes.
@@woodshed_moments Pure ignorance on your part. I can make the same point with 1/10th the words. This post was only 7 words. Thus we KNOW you can make a point without being SOOOO verbose.
i usually agree with you steve but you have really been off the mark lately. i don't even care enough to form a rebuttal because who cares. Orji is going to be an absolute unit and a two year starter barring i injuries. really questioning your talent evals here big guy because this one is a lay up
Ok see! I try and give you guys chances with your UA-cam channels I hopes that you’d try to be on the up and up. JJ McCarthy is not the best QB since Jim Harbaugh please stop it! Drew Henson was better and Tom Brady was better
IMO Warren looked the best, with orji second. I had hoped for denegal but he looked pretty bad. The defense definitely looks like it's gonna be great again. Edwards looks like he's gonna be great. RB room in general will be good. Wide receivers have potential. Oline looked ok. My biggest concern is definitely kicker... We need a better kicker.
There is more to it than the spring game. Not saying it's not important, just that you can't judge everything off of it.
Love Davis Warren. That QB battle is good to be classic.
@@freeclimb5487 well yeah your right. But I'm still not impressed with orji 🤷.
who are these people??? lmfao...
Davis Warren has a 0% chance of being the Day 1 starter. For that we’re very fortunate.
JJ was the best Michigan QB in my watching lifetime and I started watching seriously as a teen in '78. The stuff he could do, especially on the run, was beyond any that came before him. Just unbelievable
Correct, I've been watching about as long.....no one put the ball on a string with zip throwing across his body while running like JJ did, no one close.
Surprised this is even a question for some, but they are probably fair weather fans.
@doctordetroit4339 yep. JJ could throw really well from the pocket but so could a lot of others like Chad Henne. But nobody could do the stuff on the run that JJ did. If you chased him out of the pocket, he made you pay dearly. That on the run TD throw against Nebraska still blows my mind
@@doctordetroit4339 OR know nothing teenagers more likely. Surely not real Michigan MEN
@themandownthehall
A beautiful thing to watch! One of the few qbs who was almost better when the play broke down. He thrived in chaos lol. Wish we had him 1 more year.
@@classiccountryrevival8563 He knew how much was leaving, time to go
I was at at spring game. Warren did look that good!
He throws such a nice and catchable ball.
Yeah he is going to be great
Warren had good zip on the ball and he was accurate. He looked good regardless who was out there.
ORGI should be a RUNNING BACK
Orji is a threat because of his strength and running ability and when you play touch football it takes that away. His throws were not terrible and once he can run it will make the defense actually play with a spy which gives the offense an advantage. No way a transfer comes in and does anything with this team
Waller in the portal now. Thinking the spring game going away with the portal and NIL being so active. It makes it too easy for other teams to acknowledge players and throw bags at them
Alex Orji should be utilized like the Seahawk's Metcalf. Get him the ball in space.
Orji eas taken out the game for 2 quarters but nobody was saying any of this when he was the only qb last spring game before this one to not turn the ball over. Since the spring game shows everything in evaluation of QBs. In this style of orji opens up the option with edwards on the field with him. Michigan had the most 3rd and shorts converted last season. When it’s 3rd ad 3 , nobody has shown they could tackle orji solo. It takes multiple people to tackle him. The offense was 60th ranked last season and the team won the title. It doesn’t require a qb to throw 25x per game.
Great analysis, Steve. Love the "LIONS Good" story. Best thing u said? We had a standard for our team and what is should look like during the Bo/Mo/LC era.... I think even after the coaching change and the 20 + players gone to the NFL, we still have some dudes and a way to win. That was my take away from Saturday.
To me Davis Warren is the clear leader right now.
Warren looked very good! He will be our QB this fall!
Steve, when you get a chance could you give us your opinion on the two lines offense and defensive lines?
Warren had the better performance. Not difficult to see.
Normally I would agree with Steve, but I think the time to get one was during the early portal period. Unfortunately, Harbaugh was still in limbo about staying or going as was JJ. Now it's most likely too late unless you want to take someone else's scraps. IMO, I think we saw enough from Saturdays scrimmage to believe that we have two playable QBs; maybe even 3 if Tuttle can rehab his injured elbow before season starts. The likelihood of getting someone via the portal who's better and will be able to learn the offense well enough is very slim. OC Campbell pretty much stated after the game they're not looking at the portal for QB help at this time. I do however believe they will look to add a starting caliber kicker, and depth at WR, DLine, LB and Safety or Corner. But let's be honest...this team is not last years team. It's not gonna win a National Championship. Can it still beat OSU and win the Big10? I think so. Our style of play is why that's possible. We're more physical than most teams and that matters. But let's let this play out. Even if Arch Manning jumped in the portal tomorrow, it'd cost a billion dollars to bring him to Ann Arbor. So it wouldn't matter anyway because Michigan doesn't pay for players to go there. Trust the coaching staff and their culture, and we'll be fine.
Most of us expect a down year. They can still make the playoff in a down year so it’s not that bad. I agree they will be fine but this season (due to the schedule and players that moved on) will be tough.
Looking around, I don’t see any QBs that UM should look at acquiring through the portal.
I don’t see everything, though, of course.
We need a QB that will bring a bunch of swagger to Columbus in November.
Who’s that gonna be?
Warren
Orji
Tuttle
?
Orji will probably be the guy. @@TobyLongcore-hr5cm
I’ll take orji over any of them Moble qb he can run with him Donavan and
Mullins orji can throw made a few bad passes but once he was settled down he was getting the chains moving Edwards will be caring the offense this year
We are underestimating how good the defense is. We will be fine and will probably go undefeated again.
LOLOL 99% of the "we" are not underestimating, if anything overestimating
Orji is very talented and should be on the field a LOT. A passer? Mid. It’s obvious to me. He should QB ~10 plays and be a slot/RB 10-20 plays a game. IMHO
Trust me process and Coach Moore. He's got the "Magic Eye". Don't be surprised if it's AO. Dynamic!! We are playing TX, Oregon, Washington and OH. Warren played against 3/4 string CB. Their won't be any portal QB's brought in. Our next QB is in the room
Don’t really know which game you were watching. Davis Warren didn’t look bad at all, but didn’t look nearly as good as Orji. Orji didn’t start well as you mentioned, but throughout his snaps he looked strong, delivered on time, delivered using touch, and read the defense well.
My apologies, Steve fashionably late. Our future horses are fleeing, as you said; we are thin, especially on the OL
. Just hold one breath so that injuries don't crop up. Overall, Michigan is on point prediction, Steve. We may lose a couple games.? Just as long as we make the tourney and you & everyone know once that any team enters the tourney, anything can happen. We finally really beat Alabama, not only on the field that may have left Nick Saban to his retirement, and in this year's draft, we are the college program with the most draftees, FANSTANIC! Always, GOBLUE-NATTYUP🏆!
Tuttle I think is underrated.. but if you can’t be on the field - it’s a factor. Warren with Orji and Tuttle as back up. Denagal was a disappointment
If orji gives us cade McNamara production with athletic ability ...ill take it.....plus he has plenty of time between now and fresno to work extensively on footwork and accuracy.
That’s the best way I’ve heard it said. My worry is he won’t have Cade production cause he’s not that type of passer and will look to run after his first read isn’t open.
Well, it’s Groundhog Day again.
Everyone knows who’s great and knows who the starters are going into the first game.
Same damn thing every year after the spring game.
Everyone is reading too much in to the spring game! It’s one freaking practice of dozens! This battle will go into early fall, but one thing is for sure, we have a QB1 on our current roster!
Tooo bad we couldn’t try starting Warren and somehow fit Orgi into a receiver to get him on the field also.
Impressive attendance with free admission.....
My instant reaction to your instant reaction is this... the QB and K situations are far from elite and I'm a little concerned.
IMO Warren seems to be QB playing QB and Orji seems to be a great athlete playing QB.
I think Davis Warren is going to be the starting quarterback. He looks sharp look good stood in there when he needed to.
I think Jadyn Davis is going to be good eventually. Probably next year. Losing Waller may end up hurting with Moore going down, but I think Zeke Berry will be the guy there.
I think we’ll be fine at defense, and running the ball, it’s just the passing that’s going to be a possible mess :/ We’ll see what happens
Have to stay out of 3rd and long. I can see lots of more run pass option type offense
The hell with the portal. I think the team is all right as is. The only transfer quarterback that was ever worth anything was the kid from Iowa can’t remember his name. The rest of them was trash. This program got back on track when Harbaugh finally took the time to develop the quarterbacks he actually recruited. I personally like Orji but I would be comfortable with the other kid too.
Didn't Warren have cancer in highschool. I think that is why he was a walk-on. Who knows he might have been a 4☆
He was a 4⭐️I wouldn’t be shocked if he’s starting.
He received offers from Bama and Georgia we got in late before he got cancer he was a 4* as a jr we gave him a preferred walk on scholarship he’s damn good
@@terencethompson5789 yes he is. That fall camp is going to be one hellva battle if he isn’t starting most definitely will be backup
Co-starters for sure. Unless Orji can develop consistency and more accuracy in next 3mos.
@@lutherodaniels3799 people are sleeping on our QB room all they lack is experience, whoever they choose to start we will win games
Just put Orji in and run a power option. Run the ball 40 times a game and play elite D!
"Orji came back in and disappointed??" He led the blue team right down the field for a score that was taken off the scoreboard because someone touched his leg. Lol. That would've been 6 in any real game.
I think we can win w either Orji or Warren.
Wr a definite need.
Young DBs; Hill, Waller, Berry and McBurrows all made multiple plays. And young DL depth looked good.
Go Blue!
I couldn’t have said it better myself. Literally my exact breakdown. I thought orji looked pretty damn good given how we’ve been so concerned about him throwing. Yeah he missed a couple easy ones early but I remember JJ missing all his deep balls his sophomore year and he turned out pretty damn good. Orji can throw the ball to the sideline with emphasis. I think either one could lead us to a championship but I think orji will give us a better chance with his dynamics
@@mikesabrowsky2433 JJ was recovering from off-season shoulder surgery his sophomore year. He didnt throw a ball all spring that year. SMH
@@calvinhobbes6118 and orji was dealing with a hamstring issue going into the spring game. That’s my point bud this is not a slight to JJ it’s a slight to these analysts who don’t know the whole story. Nice try chief
@@mikesabrowsky2433 Equating a gimpy hamstring to a QB having off-season shoulder surgery on his throwing arm wherein he cannot throw a ball for months, is not the same.
Orji did not look great passing, we know he can run and is hard to take down, but in this game, all his passes were short, his longest completion was 12 yards.
@@calvinhobbes6118 not once did I compare the two injuries. The second time I’ve had to reiterate that to you. You clearly can’t comprehend and your points make absolutely zero sense. Never did I say the spring game for JJ bud I said the season. One day you might understand
Warren will be are qb1 orgi 2 then 3,4 up in the air are defence is going to be amazing wr looked decent rbs will be good and we will pick up a few guys from the portal
There's a lot of chatter about Orji and Warren but I don't think we know if either of them can lead us to double digit wins. It's still a big question mark IMHO. Hopefully one of them can take over and get the job done.
i thought Warren looked good, that late drive by Orji, underneathing it down the field was impressive. i'd like to see more J. Davis.... just looks young!
Warren looked great. Your being too hard on orji. He completed 72% and was taking what the defense gave him in the late game. A defense that was split in 2 and half of college football would love to have either half as their entire defense.
Hilarious. I listened to a couple other podcasts on this game and both said Orji is QB1. One didn't even mention Davis Warren which kinda surprised me cause I thought he played really good
He also played really good like 2 years ago in the spring game
finally some common sense YES !!!! WE NEED A QB AND A KICKER !!!!!!
What flavor is the Kool-Aid? I came in to say Jadyn Davis has a higher ceiling. The man is talented.
It's hard to say with the relatively small sample size given that no QB was in for the entire game, but overall, I thought Orji acquitted himself well. That last drive he was put back in, he lead them downfield and did get into the end zone, just had it called back because a defender got a hand on him.
But, if you ask me, the angle the defender had and the direction Orji was moving away from him, in a live tackle situation there is no way Orji gets brought down. That's a touchdown.
I'm less concerned about the QB situation. I think Orji will almost certainly be the guy this season. Jadyn Davis will undoubtedly develop into QB1 for next season or the season after.
The kicking situation definitely needs more attention, though. We got spoiled with Jake 'Money' Moody, and Turner last year was an OK replacement.
Playing the way this team likes to play, there will absolutely be situations where the kicker getting points on the board will be vital.
Definitely agree on the physicality front. Aside from the no-tackling-the-QB rule, there was some excellent tackling and the one play where the RB had a violent block against the blitz, outstanding. They were not playing super easy out there. They were going for it. Competing hard.
Love to see it.
Steve where you been ?
To be fair, the QB's were throwing against an elite defense which leads me to my second point... If the offense needs a couple games to find its identity this fall, I see a defense that can win low scoring games against CFP caliber teams.
Big fan of the show, Steve! I look forward to the postgame/preview every week all fall long
Something that gets forgotten about Warren is the only reason he was a walk on was because of the cancer he fought in HS. It’s very likely that had he never had that diagnosis he was a low 4* kind of player
As a young kid in Ohio, i became a UM fan. But in the 80s and 90s, i was in California ALOT, and became an S.C. fan. So now im "scouting" a future opponent. Life sure can turn at a moments notice. I hope UM can find or develop a QB. Cuz S.C. is improving by leaps and bounds on D. See you in Sept. LoVE your show Steve! ✌️🗡🏈
If Stinson Bennett can do it. Davis Warren can do it. I feel good with both qbs right now. We’ll see how it develops.
If Alex Orji becomes Michigan’s qb, God save the Maize and Blue. Turn him into a receiver. He can run, wow, that’s not a qb. No more Denard’s, please.
When you gonna flash your replica national championship rings man?
Orji doesn't impress me as a QB. I really think Orji would help himself and help Michigan most if he'd move to WR.
Right on the mark with all your comments. Great summary.
We will be at the Big House for Fresno St! Can’t wait!!!!
No portal QB. Sorry Steve, not happening. Orji and Warren and Tuttle all can move the offense now. Davis will be able to do so by November, if needed. All four are better QB's than McNamara in 2021, 2022, 2023.
JJ looked pretty bad during the spring game last year… this is a defensive game with the lack of reps for the O.
The Jayden Denegal comment was savage🤣 I agree regarding the kicking. That was integral to Michigan's success over the resurgence.
Think you’re over reacting on orji thought he finished decently plus we didn’t account his legs in this game
Great takes Steve, as usual. This will be Sherrone's first big test, what he is able to do at the QB position (kicker too.)
Too bad McCord seems a bit traumatized by his time with the Nuts. I would LOVE to see how well he could lead this offense.
McCord chose to be QB at Syracuse, a loser program. He's not Michigan quality, he can't run with the ball
@taxisquad11 exactly he didn't want the pressure of big time college football
@@Wayne-tk5mx @taxisquad11 Yup, I think this is the bigger issue, the lack of competitive fire in his bones (see Tom Brady) not his lack of mobility (also see Tom Brady). Having said that though, there is no question that a QB with wheels always helps as that was a big part of the upgrade of JJ over Cade. Plus the arm. Plus the leadership. "We'll be back, and I promise that." (post TCU)
@@edhull7068 When Michigan signs the next JJ
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What we need is leadership (Warren) to eliminate the toxic culture that is permeating the university. What the hell has happened?
We're good at QB if Orji has MacNamara production and his athletic ability. Going to the portal trying find a better QB this late in the game, that probably not as good as you got already. No we're good at QB trust the process. Kicking game know that's another story.
Davis looks like the guy to me, with Orji sprinkled in at times …jmo
You got this based on 4 passes?
Steve, as a 50+ year Jewish follower in Messiah, I saw your interview with Pastor Jack Hibbs, I have lost all respect for The U of M for letting graduation turn into a takeover for HAMAS. May they own the cost of never being unemployed because of their behavior.BTW Ohio State, USC, UCLA, Northwestern, Rutgers and all Universities who caved to terrorism should all lose federal funding. All colleges and universities have become a joke.
What the hell are you talking about Steve 🤣 what do you mean you were discouraged do you mean encouraged ⁉️
Alex Orji last drive was a touchdown drive.
And he threw the ball at 72% .
Last year even King JJ missed EZ passes in fact he threw a terrible interception.
And his pass percentage wasn't as good as orji was yesterday.
But somehow he managed to win a championship 🏆.
With orji ability to run you will be crazy not to use him.
Did you mention that orji was poised and had a great ending drive and that should have been a touchdown.
Besides Michigan hands the ball off for the most part.anyway
Orji in the RPO will be deadly
Orji has came a long way and if the play breaks down I want orji to take off and run.
Do you think Warren can take off and run.
Not trying to dis Warren he had a great game.
We need orji that can erase trouble with his legs.
Orji never got past his first read, man. That only gets you so far in big boy football games.
Toine that's typical Steve goin overboard like balas lol
@@rashadwalker8218 but Orji never got past his first read. You don't see a problem with that?
@@CertifiedClapaholic that's what reps and practice is for. He can improve that part of his game. I'm more concerned with accuracy
@rashadwalker8218 bro, he's been on the roster for 2 years' worth of practices already. If he hasn't developed that ability by now, it ain't coming.
Orji will be fine I’m sure
How are you sure
I wonder if at this point there are any QB's in the portal better than what we have ? If they don't find one much better what's the point. The fact that Orji brings a huge threat in the run game still gives him the upper hand in being the starter. They can build the offense to suit his style. If the first 2 reads don't work, then Run Alex Run !
I worry about chemistry by adding a QB to a 5 man room...gotta bet WR though Fred Moore K Bell impressed for more than expected....GO BLUE!!! NATIONAL CHAMPS!!!!
Sheronne Moore's offense is going to be predictable. Ground and Pound RPO with Orji, Edwards and Mullings.
If we had the offensive line from last season with this seasons WR room, I would be okay with it, but I think Warren gives us true QB play.
Orji is going to start, though.
I think Sherrone is a bridge coach. I think he will make us playoff contenders, just not championship contenders.
It will be interesting to see how Michigan does without cheating.
Just stop it. Penn St. , Ohio State, Iowa, Alabama, and Washington beaten with no evidence. Whining.
Sorry, but the kicker and Denigal were horrible, and Orji disappointed me, and Michigan needs a big body tall receiver to catch the 50/50 balls out the portal, but the field gold kicker is just horrible
Being discouraged when Orji can't back in the game at the end is showing a bit of bias. He came in and took the offense down the field and actually scored... Moore blew the whistle on that play prematurely.... Orji played very well with the exception of two passes the entire game... Orji will be QB1 and Warren will be the backup... Michigan will not be looking into the portal for transfer QB... We're good at QB with what we have internally and will prove it on the field those upcoming season.
#GoBlue
It wasnt premature, the defender literally got a hand-on him and it wasnt a brush, it was a hard slap.
Who set up Michigan's schedule? This is insane, last year's team would have prolly 2-3 losses.
Someone who understood this year would be the first year of the 12-team play-off and it goes from making the 4-team play-off w/ the fewest losses to the making it with the toughest schedule and best wins.
No way Org......should be QB1...worse than Devin Gardner
If one of the QBs doesn't step it up it's going to be 8-4 Sherrone Moore.
I disagree; if we can go 11-1 with Cade McNamara, we can go 10-2 with Orji or Warren lol
Wouldn't be surprised. We weren't repeating anyway.
Strength of schedule this year compared to last few years matters as well not just team losing lots of guys and coaches. 8 or 9 wins is ceiling for this team.
Dude why are y'all all hating on orji? The dude completed around 65% of his passes. Went like 13/19 for 105 yards and 2 rush TDs (he's definitely not getting sacked on that last one). Yeah he missed 2-3 throws but they were very fixable mistakes. Y'all need to chill out with orji. Y'all are acting like he played like hit dog water.
11-19 for 95 yards, 1 rush for 1TD
Go Trump
Better be looking for another Connor Stallion
We didnt need him to win the natty. Keep crying bish
Ohio State fans attacked the Capitol on January 6th
If Tuttle or Warren is our starting QB we’re winning less than 10 games.
Why does Tuttle’s name keep coming up 7 yr of eligibility because of injuries, can’t play in spring game because he’s Hurt !
You need a lot more than that lmao. You need all your eighth year platinum mega covid senior citizens back. When all things are equal um doesn't fair so well.
We didn't do so bad in '21, or '22.
Keep repeating the loser narrative.
@@calvinhobbes6118 loser? um has won like 4 games my entire fandom since 1999. I'm chilling bro. Your 50th rank class isn't going to cut it. Sorry.
@@ErikThomasMusic 37, but always cool to see that michigan edumacation lmao.
@@avi7278 2023 National Champs and BACK-to-BACK-to-BACK BIG10 Champs!!!
Its not my fault you are 17 years old so you werent around when Michigan dominated the rivalry and the BIG10 like they have for 3 straight years.
Dude, are you blind? Orji was actually pretty good late in the game with many completions and an absurdly dumb "no TD" call and this part of the game wasn't exactly garbage time. Rewatch. You overstate.
Warren did look the best, I just don't think it was by the margins you claim. You fairly note this game is just one of of many more development stages this Spring. These young men are in a stage of hyper-development.
Oriji does have the advantage of more upside than the older Warren and is certainly more physical. But, QB's, if strictly pocket passers, have many more years to develop now and less likely to get injured than mobile qb's.. See Tom Brady!!
Nonetheless, you do great work much of the time.
This is going to be a spotted bag of tricks at best… but let's not say for lack of foresight, we don't have a quarterback - Michigan has several, and for the first time in a long time, this is not a bad place to be in.
Orji looks fantastic, people need to wrap their heads around Alex being the starter, it's going to happen. He actively has the most to work with, with respect to the way Michigan's offensive built... he is not a drop-back passer so superimposing pocket passer metrics over a dual threat quarterback is continuing to befuddle people, stop it already!
He doesn't have to pass.... not at all.
As long as he is the fourth rushing option at 3rd and red zone situations, that's enough to open up the defense... and give them cause for pause, while considering to exert an option - that is the whole purpose for the DT quarterback, it puts an offense in the best place to move the chains.
Now, when do you pass? You pass you want to, not because you're forced to... Did Michigan's offense is so good right now, they don't need to pass.
Which is why the RPO game is so strong, which is why you l pass when you want to toy with the opposing defense... Not because you have to, because your quarterback has no legs and can't scramble more than eggs.
Orji's got the same things he’s gotta work on this slowly getting better, Davis Warren did step up, but he didn’t step out of all we expected he'd step up, but rather, in line with where we knew he would be.
As for Denegal, if anyone makes a break for the transfer portal, I’m predicting he’ll be first… he’s ancillary at this point, but he has snaps Warren very few - and as for the true freshman Davis, he only had one snap... I think... so, for me what do you want to say? Lol
In my mind it’s going to be:
1. Orji
2. Warren
3. Denegal
4. Davis
I think what Sherrone Moore is gonna end up doing is exactly what Jim Harbaugh did when you had bubble quarterbacks, where they’re right on the bubble, play them both until The bubble bursts, and one advances
At any rate, the thing to be proud of is that Michigan’s QB bench is stacked and the defense looked awesome…
M Go Blue🏈
Orgi will never pass??
@@taxisquad11 no, that is not what I am sharing... It's just, when you bring talent on you have to measure the talent by the basics of the position. And then play that out against the way the game is played today, and there's a curious full circle to be observed.
The pocket passer isn't the thing anymore, the game has gone 360 back to the original quarterback, which was nothing more than a running back with an arm.
This advent, has been rebranded the RPO game, and the best quarterback to run this dynamic is a dual-threat quarterback.
Alex Orji puts Michigan in the best position to capitalize on where they left off... Because as good as JJ McCarthy was, JJ was just mobile, Orji can actually rush.
Michigan hasn't had that since Denard Robinson.
And those who remember, remember Denard Robinson took a toll on defenses... it would be beautiful to get that aspect back.
Look, don't get me wrong, I like this kid Davis Warren, but he's not even really mobile... so if he could work on that, you might be looking at JJ Jr. - and firmly believe he will play at Michigan.
But as it stands, the priority has to shift to what keeps the offense the most together for what it is. Orji without a doubt, considering what quarterback model Alabama had in Jalen Milroe, for Michigan to just have the equivalent on their bench, would be suicidal and not starting him.
Because as far as his passing goes, he passes more than good enough for what you would need a dual threat QB to handle - the trick here for the offensive coordinator, is to game in a way, where the quarterback is not put into position to need to have to pass, passing should always be the "option", not the necessity.
Hence.... "smash-mouth"
Now, does that mean you do not continue to sharpen that weapon with his passing, by all means you would be remiss in not doing so...
Just don't lose sight of the fact that he's a dual-threat quarterback, you run your dual threat on 3rd down and Red zone situations... and remember the pass is just the option.
That way defenses are always on their toes.
@@woodshed_moments lolol That's as long as Stalians manifesto. "undoubtedly I know more than 100% of what you just wrote, so not wasting my time.
@@taxisquad11 pure BS, put up or shut up
@@woodshed_moments Pure ignorance on your part. I can make the same point with 1/10th the words. This post was only 7 words. Thus we KNOW you can make a point without being SOOOO verbose.
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i usually agree with you steve but you have really been off the mark lately. i don't even care enough to form a rebuttal because who cares. Orji is going to be an absolute unit and a two year starter barring i injuries. really questioning your talent evals here big guy because this one is a lay up
Ok see! I try and give you guys chances with your UA-cam channels I hopes that you’d try to be on the up and up. JJ McCarthy is not the best QB since Jim Harbaugh please stop it! Drew Henson was better and Tom Brady was better
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