To add a little more to the mystery about the hull's fate, around 7 years ago a survey done of the area found a lot of stuff buried under the ground which was thought to probably be military vehicles. As far as I know the area the tanks were once placed is now part of a parking lot so its unlikely to be dug up anytime soon. If you still can't get enough E-100 in your life head on over to my second channel and catch the video uploaded just after this one showing some gameplay of this beast: ua-cam.com/video/5oyVzwpD3Qo/v-deo.html
Do you have instagram? I found a place in the scrap yard that matches the height and lenght of the E-100 hull. I made a screenshit to keep the location..
It’s honestly pretty depressing. It would be pretty incredible to see the E-100 hull on display. I’m glad that the Soviets didn’t destroy the remaining pieces of the Maus Prototypes. Which they combined them back into one vehicle which is amazing to see.
I think one major point that seems forgotten on why the Maus was chosen over the E-100 was that Ferdinand Porsche was friends with Hitler. The only reason the Porsche Tiger wasn't chosen during the Tiger I development was because the Porsche Tiger caught on fire during the live demo in front of the dictator himself. Hitler had no choice but to choose the Henschel design to save face. Ferdinand was so certain his relationship with Hitler would secure him the Tiger contract that he even started production of his Tiger before it was even decided. These Porsche Tigers were converted to the Ferdinand Tank Destroyers later updated to the Elephant. The disaster with the Porsche Tiger put the Porsche company in a hard spot, so Ferdinand solicited his friend Hitler with a new tank design and the dictator accepted it to help his buddy.
Henschel already had a Produktion ready Tank in Stock at the time... and the Porsche-tiger was yet in development. The VK 3601 was proven funktional. So the Henschel-tiger was less likly to fail. The VK3601 hulls (where the Tiger1 was based on had already a Faktory usage as "Raupenschlepper")
'Reason' that the Jageroo's casemate should be further back could be for a better center of gravity, and ease of reloading with the drivetrain etc moved forward.
Its simple physics. The barrel weight and overhang along with stress on the suspension would make the front suspension give out rather quickly. Which is an issue when your tank is already expensive beyond reason.
With such a long and heavy gun, it likely would've been necessary to mount it at the rear despite this requiring additional engineering work to move the engine to the front and redesign the drive train. A Jagdtiger configuration would've been *very* front-heavy.
@@Direwolf13PS3 That's the main reason why is stated that the so-called "Krokodile" was totally fictional even as a potential proposal. Most of those designs were rendered by a french artist and later on got used by your friendly model brand Trumpeteer.
@@humanhuman5024 that has never been questioned, this don't have a hitpoint bar, but what I will say is that while the mechanics are more realistic, they aren't true to real life, though they come close it is only a video game and the realism is limited to that. While a simulator (if one exists) would likely be more realistic, warunder is a good mix of realism and fun, which a simulator isn't for most people's opinions. Warthunder is more realistic, Wold of Tanks is arcade, whichever one is more fun is up to the player.
@Siberian Snake tanks themselves are (mostly) pretty accurate. Some suffer from "Legacy" issues but models hold up. But when it comes to "paper" tanks, yeah it can be outrageous.
Personal theory: Maus was mostly chosen due to the electric drive putting out more torque which would mean it would be less likely to get completely bogged down and less taxing to shift gears, and secondly, with the low potential top speed and the rapidly decreasing number of trained crews, being able to get it onto train and rail drive it was seen as more valuable than a tank that was lighter but too wide to fit through rail tunnels. Again, that's just my theory.
I think the intention might have been that the Tiger-Maus was going to have narrower transport tracks and that the outer road wheels would be removed, similar to the Tiger and as suggested by the removable side skirts. Still a lot of work either end compared to the Maus' ability to just drive onto the rail car, though.
Yuri Pasholok had a series of articles on both Maus, Porsche and E-100. They include german documents, soviet test reports of available vehicles, interviews with some designers or their memoires. If you don't know russian, you can still read them with Google translate, just post the ling to page and get whole article translated. It's not 100% ideal, but if you're aware of context and terms used, you can understand it.
It's only high value to tank nerds. It had very little impact on the development of tanks from WW2 onwards, especially considering there were plenty of captured panthers in allied hands which conveyed similar design goals and technologies. Even the tank mad nazi regime didn't finish the E-100, and when the Soviets were building their superheavy tanks they went in a completely different direction from the German tanks with their IS-3s and so on.
@@marmite8959 the thing with the soviets is that they got to live long enough to see the evolution of tank warfare reside in mobility and less in heavy armor
I visited with a hull Marked as a E-100 at Aberdeen Proving grounds in the US in the late 1970's. It looks the same as the hull in your photos when it was in British possession. I spent around 7 hours there walking line after line of Armor out in the open. I also visited with the Museum staff for a bit when looking at the 80cm projectiles and cartridge case then held at the time out behind the museum. They told me they blew all the tires off a Cross country fork lift trying to move the AP Projectile that was recovered from a test range in Germany. Heavier gear was brought in for the move later.
Hi this might sound mad but I have a link off the track belonging to the E100 and have no luck as you can say you spent time with it could you possibly identify the link or help me do this as if it is,,, who knows.. thank you
Many sources have claimed the hull went to Pounds, Portsmouth, others that it went to Belsize, Southampton. The name Tipner is new to me but the area shown is across the road from where Pounds is today.
Pounds is the second name of a person called John Pound who owned the tipner scrapyard. I have contacted an establishment owned by the city council about the sites current ownership
If the hull went to Harry Pound's yard there's further doubt about its location. At the time the hull was disposed of by the British Army Pound's yard was located in Portchester to the NW of the Tipner yard. Pound's yard was relocated to Tipner when the original site was sold to Vosper Thorneycroft. It seems unlikely that tanks for scrap would have been moved rather than being cut up but there's always a chance.
@@indoraptor3248 I don't think it was just a fear, in fact they changed the early production turret for the Tiger II, which had a rounded front, and made the final production turret which is a lot more squared. I do not know for certain, but they probably received reports of enemy shells that ricochet off the frontal armour of the Tiger II early turret and ended up through the roof of the hull, or, as you called it, a shot trap.
Twice the engines means twice the cooling and lets not even start trying to figure out a gear setup that would be reliably able to combine the power of the two and send it to the gearbox. One major issue that’s brought up on tankencyclopedia is the fact they couldn’t get a transmission that would be able to handle 1000+ horsepower
@@ValentineC137 "transmission that would be able to handle 1000+ horsepower" Oh dear. well thats my idea out the window Also even with two engines the power to weight wouldn't be that good. Unless HL234's got used then i guess the power to weight would be acceptable for a heavy tank
The E100 is pretty good in world of tanks blitz too. Great alpha and decent armor. (Dont hate me for playing World of Tanks Blitz. Im on mobile so this is the best tank game i have)
@@De_Man in wot the top gun is the 150 mm. And the armor ingame isn't so thick, Maus is way trickier to try and penetrate. And then in the PC version there's also those Japanese heavies, so yeah.
Great video! It's always nice to learn more about these hidden gems of behemoths the E-100 and the Maus have been. About why the Maus was chosen rather the E-100: I assume it was less the issue of production value or material cost. Ferdinand Porsche was at that time a close friend of Hitler and as such the Führer prefered the designs of his company much more than others. It's the same with the Tiger Porsche and Tiger Henschel, since Hitler didn't show any interest in the Henschel design during the presentation of both Tiger designs. The only reason why the Porsche design didn't make it was that the tanks engine immediately burst into flames during demonstration and with that the Henschel got his chance to prove himself. So yeah, I think it was the typical political game of the Third Reich that killed the E-100's support.
To add on to this, the German bureaucracy was very inefficient at best. Even before the war, hitler would order redundant departments to be made and have them compete with each other for funding and relevance, sometimes on purpose. Many military projects were accepted or declined based on personal preference of higher ups. Cone actually touches on that a little when he mentions Krupp went over Speers head to try and get personal approval from hitler himself.
@@thatdude3938 it was quite different in Germany though. Sometimes Hitler would order an identical department be created to solve a problem that fell under the other department and just never tell the finance ministers which version of the department was authorized to receive funding, and sometimes even without making clear which ones had legal authority. Imagine having two FDAs, neither of which know if they have the authority to regulate food, neither of which share any communication, and neither of which know if they're the FDA that's supposed to be funded. Frankly it's kinda amazing the German government functioned at all during that time.
@@waywardscythe3358 I like this concept, it prevents concentration of too much power in the hands of certain bureaucrats And if something has to be done with absolute certainty, Hitler will order it personally
@@thatdude3938 A. Almost everything Hitler ordered was terrible for Germany from war crimes and the Holocaust to intercontinental bombers to favoring specific contractors. B. You dont limit bureaucratic power by making them waste money and be bad at their assigned tasks C. Its started to sound like you really like the nazis
When i was at bovington, I talked to one of the Veterans (it was someone who used to be in combat with a chieftan), he talked about the E 100, saying in the 1950’s that it was the end of the war and they no longer wanted any reminded of the war, so it was scrapped, even though there was plans for it to be brought into the Tank Museum
Some day, If I ever get the money and resources, I might make my own E-100. It's one of my favorite German WW2 prototypes, and I'd love to have one in my possession, even if it's a replica. Some day...
From what I remember of the talk about the Jagd E100's introduction to WoT, the justification WG used for using a rear mount vs a center mount was the engineering solution mirroring that of Krupp's Jagdpanzer IV and Jagdpanther 12.8cm designs. By mounting in the rear the weight is distributed across the whole chassis and potentially allowing more crew space
Already on it. Not even a excavator is needed. The main problem (ignoring the fact permission to dig needs to be aquired) is that even when dug out the very heavy tank would need to be towed out of the hole
I can say as someone who loves Narrow Gauge railway stuff The E-100 sounds a LOT like the L&B's locomotive "Lew" Supposedly lost to time, just like the E-100 Lew's exact fate is unknown, she was sold off after the L&B closed, to South America, that is all we know.
Baffles me that they didnt just put this effort and material into developing what they already had and saturating the battlefield more with what they had
_"The only _*_logical_*_ reasoning behind this reasoning I can see [...]"_ - I mean, look who we're talking about. Logic went out the window a good while ago.
As for not going with the Tiger-Maus in 1943. One might consider the negative impact it would have had on Tiger II production. One could also look at the US M4/M26 production problem. SPGs were to be made with the M26 chassis but that was dropped due to the need for every single M26 tank off the line. So M4 chassis were used for the M40/43s.
its always amusing to hear about Germanys silly superheavy tanks... TOG I TOG II Tortoise T-28 Char 2C ARL tracteur C AMX tracteur C O-i KV4 KV5 every big tank producing nation researched into super heavy tanks...and Maus and E100 were not the only Prototypes being build
For the allies some these super heavy tanks could have had actual uses, the Maus or E100 would have just been hit by air power and it really wouldn’t have been able to do anything about it
The scrap yard looks very clean of scraps to me, I don't know how exactly is the E100 is buried somewhere if the yard has barely any scrap. And please if possible, do a follow up video on the E100. It is very interesting, reasonable super heavy tank.
With regard to the StuG E-100, a centrally mounted casemate as on the Jagdtiger would certainly be preferable since it wouldn't require moving the engine and redesigning the drive train. But the weight and length of the 17cm gun might've made that too front-heavy. So a rear-mounted casemate like World of Tanks depicts it might have been necessary.
What like none? Because it’s not really about the video games it’s about the people you talk about because I love war thunder way more the wot because in wot there are no modern tanks no planes, helis, and boats and the rng system is kinda gay but war thunder does not have those problems That being said anyone very interested in tanks and the e100 know the turret is (most likely) wrong in war thunder
@@humanhuman5024 you are kinda wrong lol, there is so many people saying just because war thunder is realistic all the tanks are realistic Also G-man read carefully, there is no connection beetween the modern tanks and planes to the point you're making
Extremely intriguing to know htat the E-100 might have survived - if I ever get enough money together, I will try to send an archeological expedition there.
That's interesting, I've been in Portsmouth Park and ride meny times, I wounder if I've walked over the e100. On another note there used to be a couple of old abandoned army trucks near the car park.
I'm sorry, but the idea of an evil empire's super tank being delayed due to a copyright kerfuffle is something that we should see more often in media portraying some generic modern evil empire
So what your saying cone is I should hop in the car with a metal detector and shovel drive 4 hours south and see if I can find the tank community an E-100 hull?
Amazing story! I just finished building and painting up a model I bought of an E100 nearly 30 years ago. I found it and built it before seeing this video. I might have approached it a little differently, but I too note that the Maus turret, which this kit uses with the hull, is way too big. It would just bog down and slow down anywhere. I figured that out before I saw this video. Still, some really cool ideas presented here, and the mind boggles that, if the war had gone on a year or more, we would have had big troubles no matter what form of tanks Germany used!
All these tanks live on in my garage on WOT-B. All that time and effort designing and building new tanks when what they needed at the time was just more standard Tigers and Panzers. Germany had so many armoured vehicles at the time that it was just plain crazy! In my WW2 model collection, German tanks/ vehicles make up over half of them.
oh yeeesss that would be great there are not many videos about those tanks, I could also make a video of the American heavy vehicles like the t57, t58 among others
I would absolutely love to see videos about the E-25, the E-50/M and the E-75! Each one in a seperate video if you can find enough data on each to make a full video
Your logical reason was right. But I'd say that Hitler really influenced these kind of tank building. He want biggest tank in his arsenal so it's easy to see why they would drop smaller more economic friendly tank. Just to have something to show off his big ego.
I really wonder if a tantrum from hitlers bestest of buddies, Ferdinand Porsche may have been involved. Hitler seemed to be crushing on the guy hard and at a second of his projects about to lose out it isnt outside of expectation for hitler to nudge speer and point to the maus with a do it or die glare. At this point political connections seemed to be more important than mechanical stability on other projects so that extending to this is a plausible extrapolation.
@@startingbark0356 only one prototype was built. Consisting of a hull, suspension, tracks and a tiger ausf b drive train. As it could be test driven by the British after the war I doubt the suspension was wrecked. And as there were no spare Maus turret going around and literally only three mechanics/engineers were working on the project, it's unlikely that there ever was any turret put on that prototype.
Fun fact, a scene from the the film Tommy by The Who was filmed at Pounds Scrapyard. To think Rodger Daltry could have been dancing on the E-100s grave. The M10 at 13:26 makes an appearance behind burning pinball machines and giant silver balls, it could possibly be the one now on disply at Bayeux in Normandy, or it could be the one restored by Peter Gray, or another.
Can the E100 actually be considered the more reasonable Maus? Because that's always how it seems to me. At least, if you consider a new possible engine.
Yea i personally consider it the more reasonable maus. It weighed less had better front hull armor had better side armor once the side skirts got added and it had a lower profile
The reason why I like War Thunder more than the World of *insert vehicle* game franchise is because, although the World of game franchise has more vehicles(I think it is because they have multiple games for each vehicles so they can work more on different vehicles), War Thunder includes all types of vehicles into one game and you can have a game with all vehicles.
If you do cover the E series, I’d like to know the logic and thought process behind the E75. It honestly feels kind of pointless as the heavy tank role was already covered by the E100 and other lighter roles were covered by the E50
To add a little more to the mystery about the hull's fate, around 7 years ago a survey done of the area found a lot of stuff buried under the ground which was thought to probably be military vehicles. As far as I know the area the tanks were once placed is now part of a parking lot so its unlikely to be dug up anytime soon.
If you still can't get enough E-100 in your life head on over to my second channel and catch the video uploaded just after this one showing some gameplay of this beast: ua-cam.com/video/5oyVzwpD3Qo/v-deo.html
Can you do a video on both the rest of the Entwicklung series? Notably the E-50 standardpanzer and E-75.
@Dark Shade015 oh damn, I tried that once. Sadly I didn't have enough grey and/or green pieces :(
Do you have instagram? I found a place in the scrap yard that matches the height and lenght of the E-100 hull. I made a screenshit to keep the location..
That would be a surprise if the E-100 was actually just buried. I Wonder if someone nearby is happy to scan the Area again?
It's just a parking lot... just dig it up and patch the hole.
Everyone: haha how can the T95 be hidden for 27 years without being found
E-100: *Heavy breathing*
Can't breath cuz it(E-100) is underground
We better start digging then
You forgot Gechützwagen Tiger/Grille 17, WT Auf Pz IV/V, Sturmtiger (P), JPanther 2
If they buried thousands of ET cartridges, then they can bury a single tank
@@betoviancitizen5646 Can't hide if you don't really exist.
Valentine near the e100 be like: Ah yes kids, this is the story of how I destroyed Germany's second heaviest tank.
*lmao*
Sherman: Child, please.
@@chooyongming110 it was a valentine, it has a Turret
Why is your avatar an fcm pak
@@delanoo2601 yes.
The fate of the e-100 is quite sad like many of the other rare tanks captured at end of the war, everyone needed metal so into the melter they went
It’s honestly pretty depressing. It would be pretty incredible to see the E-100 hull on display. I’m glad that the Soviets didn’t destroy the remaining pieces of the Maus Prototypes. Which they combined them back into one vehicle which is amazing to see.
if you watched the whole video you'd find the E-100 may of survived
@@jammygamer8961 yeah but I’ll probably be decades before there’s even an attempt to find it
Vehicles in general. The Germans went crazy with weird designs during the war. The BV 141 is another great example.
i like to imagine an alternate e-100 that was finished and used by the allies.
I think one major point that seems forgotten on why the Maus was chosen over the E-100 was that Ferdinand Porsche was friends with Hitler. The only reason the Porsche Tiger wasn't chosen during the Tiger I development was because the Porsche Tiger caught on fire during the live demo in front of the dictator himself. Hitler had no choice but to choose the Henschel design to save face.
Ferdinand was so certain his relationship with Hitler would secure him the Tiger contract that he even started production of his Tiger before it was even decided. These Porsche Tigers were converted to the Ferdinand Tank Destroyers later updated to the Elephant.
The disaster with the Porsche Tiger put the Porsche company in a hard spot, so Ferdinand solicited his friend Hitler with a new tank design and the dictator accepted it to help his buddy.
Hitler wasn't the only one deciding what goes on and what does not
Henschel already had a Produktion ready Tank in Stock at the time... and the Porsche-tiger was yet in development. The VK 3601 was proven funktional. So the Henschel-tiger was less likly to fail. The VK3601 hulls (where the Tiger1 was based on had already a Faktory usage as "Raupenschlepper")
Damnn i didnt really know that, thank you for sharing your insight thats amazing
And the average citizen has no idea about their relationship and how involved Hitler was in VW Porshe etc..
The only and foremost reason in my mind too. Porsche had mede himself admired by Hitler even though his Ferdinand was proven almost useless in Kursk.
+Respect for the three Adler employees. 3 dudes working alone achieving so much progress on an experimental tank is absolutely crazy.
Probably motivated to work hard so they wouldn't have to go to the front.
Ultimate tank haul episode
@@davidtorre7370Too bad for them since the front was coming to them instead 😂
Porshe: _slaps transmission intended for a 40t tank_
This bad boy can be used in a 150t Superheavy
*porsche
@@zocker5786 porch*
@@HellzBellz7 are you trolling or just an idiot?
@@HellzBellz7*portch
@@zocker5786 hoarse*
'Reason' that the Jageroo's casemate should be further back could be for a better center of gravity, and ease of reloading with the drivetrain etc moved forward.
Its simple physics. The barrel weight and overhang along with stress on the suspension would make the front suspension give out rather quickly. Which is an issue when your tank is already expensive beyond reason.
With such a long and heavy gun, it likely would've been necessary to mount it at the rear despite this requiring additional engineering work to move the engine to the front and redesign the drive train. A Jagdtiger configuration would've been *very* front-heavy.
So it actually could have been better to have the JagdPanzer E100 be designed similarly to how WarGaming interpreted it?
@@Direwolf13PS3 That's the main reason why is stated that the so-called "Krokodile" was totally fictional even as a potential proposal. Most of those designs were rendered by a french artist and later on got used by your friendly model brand Trumpeteer.
Yeah the huge gun and heavily armoured superstructure would put way too much weight on the front of the suspension
10:22 LMFAO
Cone... You are Absolutely Madlad
lol
War thunder is more realistic but I do wish the turret was right
#ripbozos #ripwarthunderdiehards
i can hear war thunder fans screeching angrily when he said that lmaoo
@@humanhuman5024 that has never been questioned, this don't have a hitpoint bar, but what I will say is that while the mechanics are more realistic, they aren't true to real life, though they come close it is only a video game and the realism is limited to that. While a simulator (if one exists) would likely be more realistic, warunder is a good mix of realism and fun, which a simulator isn't for most people's opinions. Warthunder is more realistic, Wold of Tanks is arcade, whichever one is more fun is up to the player.
"15/17cm Sturmgeschütz auf E100 Fahrgestell" - what a beautiful language. That designation is heavier than the Maus.
I prefer "Tank, Combat, Full-tracked, 120-mm Gun M1A2 Abrams SEP v3"
@@skyscall silence American
Go eat some more burgers
Funny thing about that, the American accent makes German sound smoother than a native speaker.
@@skyscall Psst... its a german license build gun Rheinmetall RH 120
I propose a fundraiser to send Cone to find the E-100 hull in that scrapyard with a whole crew equipped with GPRs
Yea i'd be happy to fund that
Give me the funds but ill keep the E-100
So the "historically accurate" E-100 with the maus turret is not accurate at all....
Gaijin: impossible....
@Siberian Snake tanks themselves are (mostly) pretty accurate. Some suffer from "Legacy" issues but models hold up. But when it comes to "paper" tanks, yeah it can be outrageous.
@@ATankEnjoyerwell the one in Warthunder is more realistic cuz it has a existing turret instead of a turret that didn’t exist ever
@@Old_user123 cant make values for a turret that doesnt exist, thats why they took the maus one
@@lukav3509 IK
@@Old_user123 but it was too heavy, so not realistic?
This is literally my favorite tank, packed with the Krupp turret and the 150mm gun
It's so sad that it ended like this
More E-100, and Valentine tank either cursed by design or Forge in Battle.
Can you do a video on both the rest of the Entwicklung series? Notably the E-50 standardpanzer and E-75.
dont forget E-25!
Chad E50/75 vs Virgin E25
E75 is basically a tiger II
And the 5 and 10, but sadly there's very little to say about these as most of the E-series never exceeded the approximate proposal
@@stayhungry1503 the E25 and E10 are fake
Personal theory: Maus was mostly chosen due to the electric drive putting out more torque which would mean it would be less likely to get completely bogged down and less taxing to shift gears, and secondly, with the low potential top speed and the rapidly decreasing number of trained crews, being able to get it onto train and rail drive it was seen as more valuable than a tank that was lighter but too wide to fit through rail tunnels. Again, that's just my theory.
I think the intention might have been that the Tiger-Maus was going to have narrower transport tracks and that the outer road wheels would be removed, similar to the Tiger and as suggested by the removable side skirts. Still a lot of work either end compared to the Maus' ability to just drive onto the rail car, though.
Yuri Pasholok had a series of articles on both Maus, Porsche and E-100. They include german documents, soviet test reports of available vehicles, interviews with some designers or their memoires. If you don't know russian, you can still read them with Google translate, just post the ling to page and get whole article translated. It's not 100% ideal, but if you're aware of context and terms used, you can understand it.
Imagine not watching the video to know that the wide tracks and side skirt were removable and the transport ones were much narrower
@@chaotixthefox imagine not knowing how "great" all that removable track f//ckery worked out for Tiger...
@@TheArklyte Irrelevant.
Love your new intro. Gives me some uncanny valley vibes I can't explain. Really fucking cool.
Military equipment with high historical value: **exists**
The british with the E100: **high historical value scrap metal**
It's only high value to tank nerds. It had very little impact on the development of tanks from WW2 onwards, especially considering there were plenty of captured panthers in allied hands which conveyed similar design goals and technologies. Even the tank mad nazi regime didn't finish the E-100, and when the Soviets were building their superheavy tanks they went in a completely different direction from the German tanks with their IS-3s and so on.
XD
@@marmite8959 the thing with the soviets is that they got to live long enough to see the evolution of tank warfare reside in mobility and less in heavy armor
How has it got high historical value?
@@garlkurzer in short, more insight on the German Engineering™
I visited with a hull Marked as a E-100 at Aberdeen Proving grounds in the US in the late 1970's. It looks the same as the hull in your photos when it was in British possession. I spent around 7 hours there walking line after line of Armor out in the open. I also visited with the Museum staff for a bit when looking at the 80cm projectiles and cartridge case then held at the time out behind the museum. They told me they blew all the tires off a Cross country fork lift trying to move the AP Projectile that was recovered from a test range in Germany. Heavier gear was brought in for the move later.
Hi this might sound mad but I have a link off the track belonging to the E100 and have no luck as you can say you spent time with it could you possibly identify the link or help me do this as if it is,,, who knows.. thank you
Many sources have claimed the hull went to Pounds, Portsmouth, others that it went to Belsize, Southampton. The name Tipner is new to me but the area shown is across the road from where Pounds is today.
Pounds is the second name of a person called John Pound who owned the tipner scrapyard. I have contacted an establishment owned by the city council about the sites current ownership
If the hull went to Harry Pound's yard there's further doubt about its location. At the time the hull was disposed of by the British Army Pound's yard was located in Portchester to the NW of the Tipner yard. Pound's yard was relocated to Tipner when the original site was sold to Vosper Thorneycroft. It seems unlikely that tanks for scrap would have been moved rather than being cut up but there's always a chance.
Krupp likes thier rounded turret fronts. I the E100 was ever made, they shoulda let Henschel make the turret,.
I guess you're saying this because of the Tiger II turret, but in that case both turrets were designed by Krupp
i always personally imagined the E-100 turret to be basically a big Tiger 2 turret
You do realise that Krupp designed turrets for all Tiger tanks right? So Tiger E and H (I) and both designs used for Tiger B (II).
I think that Krupp don't like rounded front turrets because of the fear of a chance of a trapshot
@@indoraptor3248 I don't think it was just a fear, in fact they changed the early production turret for the Tiger II, which had a rounded front, and made the final production turret which is a lot more squared. I do not know for certain, but they probably received reports of enemy shells that ricochet off the frontal armour of the Tiger II early turret and ended up through the roof of the hull, or, as you called it, a shot trap.
regarding the engine power issue i'm surprised the german just didn't try to fit in two HL230 engines as it seems the E-100 may of been wide enough
Twice the engines means twice the cooling and lets not even start trying to figure out a gear setup that would be reliably able to combine the power of the two and send it to the gearbox.
One major issue that’s brought up on tankencyclopedia is the fact they couldn’t get a transmission that would be able to handle 1000+ horsepower
@@ValentineC137 "transmission that would be able to handle 1000+ horsepower"
Oh dear. well thats my idea out the window
Also even with two engines the power to weight wouldn't be that good. Unless HL234's got used then i guess the power to weight would be acceptable for a heavy tank
@@ValentineC137 Didn't expect to find From the Depths man here.
@@gilbertley1309 Didn't expect to be recognised in a comments section :)
Everyone grab your shovels, we gonna start diggin
....Up the whole parking lot
edit: can't we use magnetometers? sounds good
EXCELLENT THINKING!!!
(grabs enchanted diamond pickaxe)
I'm ready
@@HSS_yt Not a car parking lot.
I don't know why you people keep thinking this
@@jammygamer8961 the parking lot sits on top of the scrapyard. it was mentioned once,
The E100 is pretty good in world of tanks blitz too. Great alpha and decent armor. (Dont hate me for playing World of Tanks Blitz. Im on mobile so this is the best tank game i have)
Wait what? I thought th E-100 got a strong armor
What gun alpha? The 150 or the 128?
DECENT ALPHA?! IT HAS A 640 ALPHA!!!
@@De_Man in wot the top gun is the 150 mm. And the armor ingame isn't so thick, Maus is way trickier to try and penetrate. And then in the PC version there's also those Japanese heavies, so yeah.
Mate 640 ALPHA IS DECENT FOR YOU?
@@bigcratey1344 i never see someone pen a E-100 upper armor
And also we are talking about wot blitz
Get out yer shovel, my dudes...
carpark or not we're digging.
I can bet it’s underground considering the weight of the tank and most likely no one will ever find it
E100 even looks sexier than the Maus.
Bros Into tanks ☠️💀
please, more E-Series stuff. great work!
E-series, T-series’ oldest enemy.
@@aquapool8294 yes, t-24, t-34, t-35, t-42, t-10, etc....
13:54 alright boys, I'll rent an excavator
I think it might be best you get metal detecting equipment first so you can reason with the owner of the cark park lol
After additional research its not a car park
Regardless, I'll just start digging
@@vermas4654 pretty thats against the law without permission and would potentially jeopardise the safety of the E-100 if it was to be found
@@jammygamer8961 I'll have an excavator. What are they gonna do?
I was very impressed with the amount of research and diagrams you came up with for this video very interesting one of my favorites!
Great video! It's always nice to learn more about these hidden gems of behemoths the E-100 and the Maus have been.
About why the Maus was chosen rather the E-100: I assume it was less the issue of production value or material cost. Ferdinand Porsche was at that time a close friend of Hitler and as such the Führer prefered the designs of his company much more than others. It's the same with the Tiger Porsche and Tiger Henschel, since Hitler didn't show any interest in the Henschel design during the presentation of both Tiger designs. The only reason why the Porsche design didn't make it was that the tanks engine immediately burst into flames during demonstration and with that the Henschel got his chance to prove himself.
So yeah, I think it was the typical political game of the Third Reich that killed the E-100's support.
To add on to this, the German bureaucracy was very inefficient at best. Even before the war, hitler would order redundant departments to be made and have them compete with each other for funding and relevance, sometimes on purpose. Many military projects were accepted or declined based on personal preference of higher ups. Cone actually touches on that a little when he mentions Krupp went over Speers head to try and get personal approval from hitler himself.
@@waywardscythe3358 like it was different in USA at the time. I recall the story of Mk14 torpedo that was fixed only after Admiral King was involved
@@thatdude3938 it was quite different in Germany though. Sometimes Hitler would order an identical department be created to solve a problem that fell under the other department and just never tell the finance ministers which version of the department was authorized to receive funding, and sometimes even without making clear which ones had legal authority. Imagine having two FDAs, neither of which know if they have the authority to regulate food, neither of which share any communication, and neither of which know if they're the FDA that's supposed to be funded. Frankly it's kinda amazing the German government functioned at all during that time.
@@waywardscythe3358 I like this concept, it prevents concentration of too much power in the hands of certain bureaucrats
And if something has to be done with absolute certainty, Hitler will order it personally
@@thatdude3938 A. Almost everything Hitler ordered was terrible for Germany from war crimes and the Holocaust to intercontinental bombers to favoring specific contractors.
B. You dont limit bureaucratic power by making them waste money and be bad at their assigned tasks
C. Its started to sound like you really like the nazis
I hope someone tries to find the E-100 hull in the future
now would be preferable
Same
When i was at bovington, I talked to one of the Veterans (it was someone who used to be in combat with a chieftan), he talked about the E 100, saying in the 1950’s that it was the end of the war and they no longer wanted any reminded of the war, so it was scrapped, even though there was plans for it to be brought into the Tank Museum
Come on Cone we need the rest of the E-100's story told!
*I was very impressed with the amount of research and diagrams you came up with for this video!*
Some day, If I ever get the money and resources, I might make my own E-100.
It's one of my favorite German WW2 prototypes, and I'd love to have one in my possession, even if it's a replica.
Some day...
From what I remember of the talk about the Jagd E100's introduction to WoT, the justification WG used for using a rear mount vs a center mount was the engineering solution mirroring that of Krupp's Jagdpanzer IV and Jagdpanther 12.8cm designs. By mounting in the rear the weight is distributed across the whole chassis and potentially allowing more crew space
Is there still a fund raiser in Australia to make a full working scale replica of the E-100?
Idk
I remember seeing it back in 2014. It was surmised that it was most likely a scam.
What If we start a program finding E100 . We only need a excavator and 5 to 10 people to find it and we have a location here to 13:40
Already on it. Not even a excavator is needed. The main problem (ignoring the fact permission to dig needs to be aquired) is that even when dug out the very heavy tank would need to be towed out of the hole
@@jammygamer8961 hay man did you fine anything
@@Geniusinventor i found the owners and they assure me nothing is under the soil and don't want anyone digging there.
which is a shame
@@jammygamer8961 hmm I think they are lying 🤥 who wanna give out 100 ton Tank from ww2 for free
@@Geniusinventor tbh i wasn't expecting them to give it for free i just wanted for the vehicle to be found or confirmed with certainity that its gone
What is the name of the Scrap yard that bought the hull?
Idk
Ifk
John Pound scrapyard
@@Kav. thx i found it already
I can say as someone who loves Narrow Gauge railway stuff
The E-100 sounds a LOT like the L&B's locomotive "Lew"
Supposedly lost to time, just like the E-100 Lew's exact fate is unknown, she was sold off after the L&B closed, to South America, that is all we know.
Hitler was buddies with Porsche, thus, he favored his designs.
Imagine if we found this thing and restored it? It’ll likely never happen but it’s fun to think about
And it gets shipped to the kiev tank museum to be beside the maus
an e-100 treasure hunt.
i love the new intro animation, great addition to the video!
Baffles me that they didnt just put this effort and material into developing what they already had and saturating the battlefield more with what they had
_"The only _*_logical_*_ reasoning behind this reasoning I can see [...]"_ - I mean, look who we're talking about. Logic went out the window a good while ago.
As for not going with the Tiger-Maus in 1943. One might consider the negative impact it would have had on Tiger II production. One could also look at the US M4/M26 production problem. SPGs were to be made with the M26 chassis but that was dropped due to the need for every single M26 tank off the line. So M4 chassis were used for the M40/43s.
its always amusing to hear about Germanys silly superheavy tanks...
TOG I
TOG II
Tortoise
T-28
Char 2C
ARL tracteur C
AMX tracteur C
O-i
KV4
KV5
every big tank producing nation researched into super heavy tanks...and Maus and E100 were not the only Prototypes being build
For the allies some these super heavy tanks could have had actual uses, the Maus or E100 would have just been hit by air power and it really wouldn’t have been able to do anything about it
The scrap yard looks very clean of scraps to me, I don't know how exactly is the E100 is buried somewhere if the yard has barely any scrap. And please if possible, do a follow up video on the E100. It is very interesting, reasonable super heavy tank.
yea it appears to no longer be in use
The scrap yard is no longer in use and they are planning to build a housing estate where they scrapyard used to be
With regard to the StuG E-100, a centrally mounted casemate as on the Jagdtiger would certainly be preferable since it wouldn't require moving the engine and redesigning the drive train. But the weight and length of the 17cm gun might've made that too front-heavy. So a rear-mounted casemate like World of Tanks depicts it might have been necessary.
6:32 The head of the Germy Army made me chuckle a bit. Great video as always!
10:20 oh you don't know how many times do i have to tell those in an E-100 discussion
At least twice a day.
What like none?
Because it’s not really about the video games it’s about the people you talk about because I love war thunder way more the wot because in wot there are no modern tanks no planes, helis, and boats and the rng system is kinda gay but war thunder does not have those problems
That being said anyone very interested in tanks and the e100 know the turret is (most likely) wrong in war thunder
@@humanhuman5024 we’re talking about the e100 not modern tanks buddy
@@g-manalt2709 read carefully
@@humanhuman5024 you are kinda wrong lol, there is so many people saying just because war thunder is realistic all the tanks are realistic
Also G-man read carefully, there is no connection beetween the modern tanks and planes to the point you're making
Extremely intriguing to know htat the E-100 might have survived - if I ever get enough money together, I will try to send an archeological expedition there.
That's interesting, I've been in Portsmouth Park and ride meny times, I wounder if I've walked over the e100.
On another note there used to be a couple of old abandoned army trucks near the car park.
Get out your shovels boys, we’re digging that tank up.
This make me remember that kind of competition happened again recently, when the American Fighter YF-23 lose the place to YF-22 Raptor
I'm sorry, but the idea of an evil empire's super tank being delayed due to a copyright kerfuffle is something that we should see more often in media portraying some generic modern evil empire
Wow never thought the design left the drawing board or got anywhere close to being built. I hope someone goes looking for it one day
I think you have a great balance of story and technical detail in this video.
its so weird because even the jagdtiger and kingtiger were quite underpowered so the e100 and maus would probably have been even worse.
So what your saying cone is I should hop in the car with a metal detector and shovel drive 4 hours south and see if I can find the tank community an E-100 hull?
Would love to see a cursed by design on the t29, t30 and t32
I really enjoyed your video here. I liked the focus on design and process rather than specifications
I will find this hull one day
Amazing story! I just finished building and painting up a model I bought of an E100 nearly 30 years ago. I found it and built it before seeing this video. I might have approached it a little differently, but I too note that the Maus turret, which this kit uses with the hull, is way too big. It would just bog down and slow down anywhere. I figured that out before I saw this video. Still, some really cool ideas presented here, and the mind boggles that, if the war had gone on a year or more, we would have had big troubles no matter what form of tanks Germany used!
Another video would be cool, but it would be so cool if they could find that hull and actually make an E-100
And Imagine if they made a replica of the maus 2 turret and fitted it on top of it too
All these tanks live on in my garage on WOT-B. All that time and effort designing and building new tanks when what they needed at the time was just more standard Tigers and Panzers. Germany had so many armoured vehicles at the time that it was just plain crazy! In my WW2 model collection, German tanks/ vehicles make up over half of them.
I would love to see a video on the remaining "T" american heavy tanks as a continuation of the M6 video you made
let's make a crowdfunding to find E100!
Great video! How about a Cursed by Design on a postwar French vehicle like the AMX 50?
oh yeeesss that would be great there are not many videos about those tanks, I could also make a video of the American heavy vehicles like the t57, t58 among others
I would absolutely love to see videos about the E-25, the E-50/M and the E-75! Each one in a seperate video if you can find enough data on each to make a full video
Your logical reason was right. But I'd say that Hitler really influenced these kind of tank building. He want biggest tank in his arsenal so it's easy to see why they would drop smaller more economic friendly tank. Just to have something to show off his big ego.
I really wonder if a tantrum from hitlers bestest of buddies, Ferdinand Porsche may have been involved. Hitler seemed to be crushing on the guy hard and at a second of his projects about to lose out it isnt outside of expectation for hitler to nudge speer and point to the maus with a do it or die glare. At this point political connections seemed to be more important than mechanical stability on other projects so that extending to this is a plausible extrapolation.
I mean the us lost the t95 in a field behind a bush for 27 years so it could be entirely possible that the e100 was buried and left behind.
the Valentine is doing donuts behind the E-100 ! :)
10:22 Technically either turret is unrealistic as in reality no turret was ever fitted.
The maus turret was fitted but it broke the suspension if im right
@@startingbark0356 i'm pretty sure that was just your mom sitting on the tank for 0.000001 seconds
@@jammygamer8961but that was your mom
@@startingbark0356 oof
@@startingbark0356 only one prototype was built. Consisting of a hull, suspension, tracks and a tiger ausf b drive train. As it could be test driven by the British after the war I doubt the suspension was wrecked. And as there were no spare Maus turret going around and literally only three mechanics/engineers were working on the project, it's unlikely that there ever was any turret put on that prototype.
Fun fact, a scene from the the film Tommy by The Who was filmed at Pounds Scrapyard. To think Rodger Daltry could have been dancing on the E-100s grave. The M10 at 13:26 makes an appearance behind burning pinball machines and giant silver balls, it could possibly be the one now on disply at Bayeux in Normandy, or it could be the one restored by Peter Gray, or another.
Can the E100 actually be considered the more reasonable Maus? Because that's always how it seems to me. At least, if you consider a new possible engine.
Yea i personally consider it the more reasonable maus.
It weighed less
had better front hull armor
had better side armor once the side skirts got added
and it had a lower profile
cant copyright something before copyright was even a thought
What if someone somehow got the blueprints for both E100 and Maus and built it
Having this video as the official and only External link in the E100 Wikipedia page is made me convinced this is a documentary channel now.
This was an awesome video, would love to see you do another video on the E-100 going into more detail.
One potential reason for Tiger Maus not being built in Germany of the time period was that it just wasn't big enough?
The reason why I like War Thunder more than the World of *insert vehicle* game franchise is because, although the World of game franchise has more vehicles(I think it is because they have multiple games for each vehicles so they can work more on different vehicles), War Thunder includes all types of vehicles into one game and you can have a game with all vehicles.
still no Sturmtiger where as world of tanks console just recently got the Sturmtiger as an official tech tree tank
More of these please ConeOfArc!!! Keep up the good work.
What happened to maus build mondays
cone is feeling burnt out leave him be
Oh thank you
That's why
What about the flak 88 version of the e-100? I've seen models and pictures of it. Is it just a concept or where actual plans drawn up
What if?...,E-100 captured by the Soviet?.....
Probably in museum or taken to 'deep testing'
the fact there's footage of the E-100 hull is awesome enough
Danm this video is gonna be fun
Buried somewhere…
Boys get the shovel it’s time for the revive the project.
If you do cover the E series, I’d like to know the logic and thought process behind the E75. It honestly feels kind of pointless as the heavy tank role was already covered by the E100 and other lighter roles were covered by the E50
E100 with Maus turret looks so cursed
Yes the e 100 and I saw the hull armor be like: yea that is a e 100 body I'm stupid baby
“Insane design” goes so far beyond weapons in Nazi Germany haha.
We need more information about the E100, it deffinitely sparked my interest.
I loooove German HTs and TDs in WWII :) Great video, thank you!
(You could mention that maus is 188t :) )
Dam 20seconds ago lol😂
Fastest I have clicked on a video
And you finally did this video, great job man, I love it :D
First comment lol
Now I want to know if the hull is buried out there