@@tasogare728 it's the Aeroclub Jean Bertin at Chavenay (LFPX). However i think we'll only be able to try them at the end of the summer, they have to form the instructors on the plane and all beforehand.
I reallly want to see what an a like this can do with a radically simplified engine like the one that Liquid Piston is developing. LP doesn't seem to be pursuing aircraft other than UAVs currently, but they've got the best power/weight ratio ever achieved by any internal combustion engine.
I mojo hope you are well buddy. What a awesome plane. It would be ideal for philip. Philip loves the colours. Awesome presentation. And it would be ideal for learning in.philip will have to get is numbers on the lottery next week. Take care and happy flying to you all philip.
Work of art, form and funcion. Rediculous speed given the econobox fuel burn. Wonder about the engine, fuel type. What a truckload of $$$ can do is here done.
It's an interesting premise to single piece mold the entire fuselage to make manufacture radically easier however the premise then falls apart when they land at a price higher than any other LSA plane. There is a sharp disconnect there. That concept doesn't fly. Puns intended :) 240k€ for the 912 and 300+ for 915. German made FK14 polaris is around 138k, also has ballistic chute and cruise at 134kts with the 912 and a 915 version coming. The Risen 915 can cruise at 212kts@9500 and even go to 250kts if you feel like using oxygen. That's just vastly superior at or below the Elixir price. The price is a little too comfortable for a canoe with wings and a briggs and stratton.
@@srqamt but part 23 shouldn't really cost anything on such a plane, I figure it's more an attempt to justify the very high price. And what does it really give you? technically the passenger can be a paying customer? but how big is that usage and again, shouldn't cost anything. It's a one time cost for them and for this small plane with modest part count, possibly a modest expense. Didn't involve FAA if it's just a transferred approval from EASA. And the 100 grand difference between 912 and 915 version. Avionics probably can't explain that.
@@DanFrederiksen the certificate and the process is very expensive, and flight schools could use the hell out of this thing, no? Imagine buying a fleet of these and cutting your maintenance and fuel costs in half, versus scouring the internet for warriors and skyhawks with less than 6000 hours on the airframe. The avionics alone in the 915 in worth 150k installed.
@@srqamt I don't know if normal LSAs can also be used for flight schools, they can be used to build hours for PPL afaik. but again it would be a technicality they use to justify the high price, not real merit. And it is especially poignant given the construction method is touted to be cost effective. they are the enemy of progress this way. While claiming progress.
Prices still keeping common people out of aviation. It's an awesome looking airplane but I don't see ever being able to afford it. FYI, I make decent money. As much as I want it, I just can't pay that much for anything other than a house.
13:06 He literally said 235k euros for the 100hp one (the green one next to this one) and 300-400k euros for the one being shown. Did you guys even pay attention?
Sinking GA for the average pilot through ridiculous pricing,expensive construct methods and materials,aviation has outpriced itself through over regulation and playing the safety tune to extract even more costs,growing up between YSBK and YSRI and learning to fly at the now gone YSFS aviation was alive in my area with pilots being very active throughout the 80,s 90,s. I live at same residence today being Saturday,used to be alive with aviation from transports and visiting fighters to Richmond to the abundance of GA out of Schofields and Bankstown.Have been relaxing this morning watching mojo and other vids for around 4hrs and haven’t heard a single aircraft military or GA,aviation GA anyway in Sydney is dead I can hear the silence.
$322k - $429k USD for that!? I'm no pilot or airplane broker but I'm sure you could get something similar for a much better price sheesh. No wonder there's a pilot shortage.... it's expensive to even try and get into aviation.
@@rossiFandallas Your correct, just took a look. Not a surprise the aviation community is getting smaller and smaller and older and older. Only old money can afford these planes. You'd think someone would manufacture an affordable non-experimental plane for the average Joe... but I guess that's not where the money is at. Guess if you're not raking in the dough your stuck with the 1964 150 with 12000 total hours.
@@Recklessness97 It's called Liability Insurance. Lawsuits killed light, general aviation in the U.S. Resale prices of older light aircraft is all supply and demand.
@@EJWash57 I just read an interesting article about the decline of general aviation and how liability insurance played a role among other things. It makes sense, thanks for bring it up :). Yes, I can see why old but maintained aircraft hold value.
@@Recklessness97 Trust me, I agree with you. I have no idea how the average wage-earner can afford to learn how to fly, let alone buy and maintain an airplane. I'm fortunate to have my "air-knocker" ('75 Decathlon). I'm going Experimental because it's the only way to afford a new airframe with modern avionics, and cross-country performance.
The Vans RV-12 and the Elixir are not remotely equivalent aircraft. The Vans RV-12 is 'Experimental' and you have to spend a lot of your time riveting bits of aluminium together yourself. The Elixir is a 'Certified' aircraft and one of a very small handful to be certified this century because certification takes a lot of time and expense. The Elixir 912 started with a price of €150,000, with the Rotax 912iS but the cost of certification increased that to €235,000 and has a cruise speed of 125 KTAS, is intended for clubs and training. The Elixir 915 has the turbocharged 915iS engine, has a cruise speed of 160 KTAS, and is intended for touring ie getting 2 people from A to B. That speed is comparable to a Beechcraft Bonanza, but burning half the fuel, and it is in a whole different performance category compared to the Vans RV-12 which only has a 100 KTAS cruise. If you compare the Elixir to a Diamond DA-40, which costs about $500,000 new, the Elixir is lighter, faster, more efficient and cheaper. If you compare the Elixir to a Cessna 172 Skyhawk, which costs up to $438,000 new, the Elixir is much lighter, much faster, much more efficient and probably will be a little bit cheaper. The better comparison is with other European UltraLight aircraft like the SEA Risen, BlackWing and VL3 which have retractable gear, much more performance of 200 plus KTAS and a lower price than the Elixir 915 and less than half the purchase price and running cost of a Cirrus SR22. The unique selling point of the Elixir is the one-shot manufacturing process that allows an entire wing to be moulded in one piece without separate spars and ribs, which should have resulted in a lower cost, however, disappointingly, this does not appear to be reflected in the selling price.
@@PhilipFly11 Sorry, but all those words just don't add up to the additional $200K over the RV-12. And, you compared a 2-seater to three 4-seat aircraft?
Addition: Van's offers the RV-12 either ready to fly (factory built) at that $129K price tag, or as a kit. So no, you're wrong, you do not have to spend the time building the airplane yourself.
My flight club is getting 2 of those this summer in France ! I can’t wait to try it out
Très intéressant cet avion! Quel est le nom de votre club? Je cherche à l'essayer aussi !
@@tasogare728 it's the Aeroclub Jean Bertin at Chavenay (LFPX). However i think we'll only be able to try them at the end of the summer, they have to form the instructors on the plane and all beforehand.
@@JohnSmith-nh9pm Amazing! Anytime this year is great, I will come to see you guys in fall ;)
Absolutely beautiful. Would love to have one.
Nice plane !
Wow! 150 kts at 6.6 gph?!
nice,,,, 10:30 no trim tap on the rudder ??
I know this company and this aircraft : just perfect !
Good looking plane.
I reallly want to see what an a like this can do with a radically simplified engine like the one that Liquid Piston is developing. LP doesn't seem to be pursuing aircraft other than UAVs currently, but they've got the best power/weight ratio ever achieved by any internal combustion engine.
I can’t wait to see liquid piston offer that engine to the public at a decent price
never seen a wing like that, very interesting
Icon A5 have one very similar as well! It’s crazy how it works when you fly it…
Is there a Yaw damper ?
Love this aircraft and all the tech he crammed in that small form, great episode Mike. 👍🏾👍🏾
This a/c I would easily look past, but after hearing about it, it's a plane that fits my missions well.
Looks like a cirrus had a baby with a Diamond 😬
I mojo hope you are well buddy. What a awesome plane. It would be ideal for philip. Philip loves the colours. Awesome presentation. And it would be ideal for learning in.philip will have to get is numbers on the lottery next week. Take care and happy flying to you all philip.
Great video. Liked the dual airfoil explanation. Sexy as heck plane.
I wonder if you could add a second tank
Gee this is impressive. Can’t wait to see this at Oshkosh.
Going that radical in spin protection. Might be safe, but for instructing, you would want to do spin exercises, right?
Work of art, form and funcion. Rediculous speed given the econobox fuel burn. Wonder about the engine, fuel type. What a truckload of $$$ can do is here done.
Existe t-t’il avec train rentrant?
Interestin model as alwayz. #salute my gud brotha!!!!
Very Nice Bro! Get Good People/Pilots!
Does this aircraft come as a kit and you have to build it or can you buy one already manufactured?
no kit
really nice
How comfortable would a 6’4” pilot be? What is the maximum weight of these aircraft, what is their useful load?
6'4" is most likely the limit of real comfort in the cockpit. Payload with full fuel is about 500lbs in the 915
It's an interesting premise to single piece mold the entire fuselage to make manufacture radically easier however the premise then falls apart when they land at a price higher than any other LSA plane. There is a sharp disconnect there. That concept doesn't fly. Puns intended :) 240k€ for the 912 and 300+ for 915. German made FK14 polaris is around 138k, also has ballistic chute and cruise at 134kts with the 912 and a 915 version coming. The Risen 915 can cruise at 212kts@9500 and even go to 250kts if you feel like using oxygen. That's just vastly superior at or below the Elixir price. The price is a little too comfortable for a canoe with wings and a briggs and stratton.
I agree. Using DFM to reduce part count and nearly eliminate assembly seems like a potentially compelling idea.
There's something to be said for the avionics package though, and the fact that this is part 23, not LSA
@@srqamt but part 23 shouldn't really cost anything on such a plane, I figure it's more an attempt to justify the very high price. And what does it really give you? technically the passenger can be a paying customer? but how big is that usage and again, shouldn't cost anything. It's a one time cost for them and for this small plane with modest part count, possibly a modest expense. Didn't involve FAA if it's just a transferred approval from EASA. And the 100 grand difference between 912 and 915 version. Avionics probably can't explain that.
@@DanFrederiksen the certificate and the process is very expensive, and flight schools could use the hell out of this thing, no? Imagine buying a fleet of these and cutting your maintenance and fuel costs in half, versus scouring the internet for warriors and skyhawks with less than 6000 hours on the airframe. The avionics alone in the 915 in worth 150k installed.
@@srqamt I don't know if normal LSAs can also be used for flight schools, they can be used to build hours for PPL afaik. but again it would be a technicality they use to justify the high price, not real merit. And it is especially poignant given the construction method is touted to be cost effective. they are the enemy of progress this way. While claiming progress.
Reminds me of Diamond.
Really need subtitles
Why cant certificated aircraft be like this cessna piper come onnnnnnnnnnnn pleaseeeeeee
Nice plane very well done but I would not want to be in solid IFR in that plane like a little more meat in the sky.
By my calculations, at cruising speed of 150 knots, it's burning about the same as my wife's Buick.
Prices still keeping common people out of aviation. It's an awesome looking airplane but I don't see ever being able to afford it. FYI, I make decent money. As much as I want it, I just can't pay that much for anything other than a house.
You'd be surprised. This one will be more affordable than equivalent competition. The price of a sports car probably
@@CyrilDeretz they said it's over a hundred thousand dollars.
13:06
He literally said 235k euros for the 100hp one (the green one next to this one) and 300-400k euros for the one being shown. Did you guys even pay attention?
@@MikeHawkHurtz Right, and 235ke = $240,814. Which goes to 280z's comment of being more than $100k. What part of that did you not get?
It is the plane that anyone can fly but it is not the plane that anyone can afford
Looks like a plane for small to medium sized people only.
“I’m French.” Yup. Figured that out pretty quickly. 😜
How about your French??
@@panibodo ?
Sinking GA for the average pilot through ridiculous pricing,expensive construct methods and materials,aviation has outpriced itself through over regulation and playing the safety tune to extract even more costs,growing up between YSBK and YSRI and learning to fly at the now gone YSFS aviation was alive in my area with pilots being very active throughout the 80,s 90,s.
I live at same residence today being Saturday,used to be alive with aviation from transports and visiting fighters to Richmond to the abundance of GA out of Schofields and Bankstown.Have been relaxing this morning watching mojo and other vids for around 4hrs and haven’t heard a single aircraft military or GA,aviation GA anyway in Sydney is dead I can hear the silence.
400K Euros? Ouch.
Don’t forget engine is a rotax. 400000€/ Rotax, weird.
oh its a french brand
broth~ Like,unusaul - :)
$322k - $429k USD for that!? I'm no pilot or airplane broker but I'm sure you could get something similar for a much better price sheesh. No wonder there's a pilot shortage.... it's expensive to even try and get into aviation.
A used, but comparable 2016 CIRRUS SR22T-G5 GTS will be between $800,000 to $1,000,000 US. So these planes are indeed a bargain.
@@rossiFandallas Your correct, just took a look. Not a surprise the aviation community is getting smaller and smaller and older and older. Only old money can afford these planes. You'd think someone would manufacture an affordable non-experimental plane for the average Joe... but I guess that's not where the money is at. Guess if you're not raking in the dough your stuck with the 1964 150 with 12000 total hours.
@@Recklessness97 It's called Liability Insurance. Lawsuits killed light, general aviation in the U.S. Resale prices of older light aircraft is all supply and demand.
@@EJWash57 I just read an interesting article about the decline of general aviation and how liability insurance played a role among other things. It makes sense, thanks for bring it up :). Yes, I can see why old but maintained aircraft hold value.
@@Recklessness97 Trust me, I agree with you. I have no idea how the average wage-earner can afford to learn how to fly, let alone buy and maintain an airplane. I'm fortunate to have my "air-knocker" ('75 Decathlon). I'm going Experimental because it's the only way to afford a new airframe with modern avionics, and cross-country performance.
thats a sexy ass plane!!! imho....
300K-400K Euros? $322-$429 US dollars. Er... No. Nice looking, but in the same category, I'd go with a (basic) Van's RV-12 for $125K.
The Vans RV-12 and the Elixir are not remotely equivalent aircraft.
The Vans RV-12 is 'Experimental' and you have to spend a lot of your time riveting bits of aluminium together yourself.
The Elixir is a 'Certified' aircraft and one of a very small handful to be certified this century because certification takes a lot of time and expense.
The Elixir 912 started with a price of €150,000, with the Rotax 912iS but the cost of certification increased that to €235,000 and has a cruise speed of 125 KTAS, is intended for clubs and training.
The Elixir 915 has the turbocharged 915iS engine, has a cruise speed of 160 KTAS, and is intended for touring ie getting 2 people from A to B.
That speed is comparable to a Beechcraft Bonanza, but burning half the fuel, and it is in a whole different performance category compared to the Vans RV-12 which only has a 100 KTAS cruise.
If you compare the Elixir to a Diamond DA-40, which costs about $500,000 new, the Elixir is lighter, faster, more efficient and cheaper.
If you compare the Elixir to a Cessna 172 Skyhawk, which costs up to $438,000 new, the Elixir is much lighter, much faster, much more efficient and probably will be a little bit cheaper.
The better comparison is with other European UltraLight aircraft like the SEA Risen, BlackWing and VL3 which have retractable gear, much more performance of 200 plus KTAS and a lower price than the Elixir 915 and less than half the purchase price and running cost of a Cirrus SR22.
The unique selling point of the Elixir is the one-shot manufacturing process that allows an entire wing to be moulded in one piece without separate spars and ribs, which should have resulted in a lower cost, however, disappointingly, this does not appear to be reflected in the selling price.
@@PhilipFly11 Sorry, but all those words just don't add up to the additional $200K over the RV-12. And, you compared a 2-seater to three 4-seat aircraft?
Addition: Van's offers the RV-12 either ready to fly (factory built) at that $129K price tag, or as a kit. So no, you're wrong, you do not have to spend the time building the airplane yourself.
ALHAMDULILLAH(SWT)- ASTAGHFIRULLAH(SWT).
Oh you’re French?
Great stuff but you should consider getting a PR guy without a French accent 😉