The boss of the tavern is a hopeless example, he so bias and unethical. He should be removed in the interest of justice and making a mockery of the system. The JP must remove this guy before he makes unfair, uninformed judgement. We as the public is witnessing his partiality to state witness, Baloyi and suffocates council that the real truth is not exposed. Ganida and his gangsters, what a shameless display by a preceding officer.
@@sarahvilane3789 ijaji lona ulibona likhuluma kahle ne-defence? Nawe uma umuntu engakukhulumisa kabi you'll end up saying bad things to that person. This judge is the same as that other judge who was removed from this case
Adv Mngomezulu is correct to remind the Judge of its position, therefore, he CANNOT DECENT TO THE ARENA. The arguments are between the 'Defense' and the 'State', and DEFINITELY NOT between the defence and the 'Court'. Ratha's behavior has been getting out of hand.
Corruption and dishonest in this case is on highest level its true that Meyiwa family and south africans will never see justice for their son and poor Ntanzi and others are going down because ppl involved are rich. Judge Ratha is playing a victim now, has been bullying the defense since. Ngathi ungavuka ufile mkhovu ndini wekhehla
@lungelwajames4257 lol poor Ntanzi was suppose to accept the plea deal ,but his was scared of his Nongoma uncles .The same rich mastermind who payed these 5 guys to take a life and is still paying for the deputy mastermind's legal fees .Allegedly
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 Mshololo ended this whole argument with 1 question 👏👏👏👏 How was his statement commissioned in his absence!!!!!!!! Mngo was right that this statement was incorrectly commissioned. But Rata has admitted it saying he approves. How can he approve a non-compliant statement hence Mngo said he will not even go into it. Thanks Msho my girl.
Lol Ratha doesn't care about social media comment .Ratha is invincible even your petition didn't work and BLA took him on only to find out he was the founder of BLA lol😂😂😂.Allegedly
@@Chibvunzanje. Is Mngomezulu who listen to tiktok supposing cheerleaders. Hence he forget himself I wish Ratha cud have reported him .He will end up like Teffo if he's not careful
That's what will cost him his career and in the end king Baloyi pulled out the record to prove who the liar is and besides .President Ratha won't change 😊 R vs herpworth
The double standard in this court! When Mngo read Sifiso Meyiwa's statement they said they couldn't see clearly who commissioned his statement and therefore, the validity of that statement was "not proven". But this Buthelezi officer his statement had some missing info that wasn't clear and they say if he attests that he wrote it is enough.
Ratha is satisfied that the statement was properly commissioned while Constable Buthelezi who is the deponent was not present when it was commissioned. How did that John with no force number commissioned the statement in the absence of the deponent?
This case is 65 % done and 85% when the vodacom lady is done ,95% after Mangena is done and 5% is for all the surviving witnesses testimonies. State proved the accused know each other 2.Proved the alibis don't exist 3.Confessions for accused 1&2 4.Dock identification by 2 eye witnesses 5.Proved the gun belongs to Mncube and he is as described even clothes he wore that day 26/10/2014 6.To prove that all five acted in common purpose and prove 3&5 's instructions came from the mastermind. Allegedly
Gininda has long changed the story. The 9mm found with gadla, was missing 4rm the evidence room but when he changed the robbery story to CK, the gun also changed to revolver. All witnesses from the house said it was a revolver. In fact Longwe said a 38 special revolver. He gave a full description of the revolver in his affidavit
@@gugundimandenare7969I understand that both the prosecution and the defense are addressing the events from 2020, particularly because that is when the arrests were made. However, the murder occurred in 2014, and it is essential for the State to focus on the circumstances and evidence from that time to ensure a comprehensive and accurate understanding of the case.
Go to spaza house why intertaing this nonsense yoh go 2 grade r with rata. Why is rata so stupid nd not begin with the ppl in the house. I dont no this law. Bring kelly chicco to clear this case. Everyone knows that baloyi is corrupt
Lol to you ,but this was a key witness to tell us about the cellphones confiscated which proved communications between accused 1,2 ,4 and 5 .After this state will charge them in common purpose
Judge why do you want to read this statement when Mngo said he is retracting the statement? What about Rob v Hepworth which says if the defense or State makes a mistake, the other must not take advantage of that.... So that only applies to the state and not the defense. Double-standard in this court.
@@justinmothibi5739 I suggest you read it yourself, I've attached it below. If comprehension is a strong suit of yours you will see that according to this, the judge was wrong and grossly mistaken when he admitted that statement after the defense told him that it was incorrectly commissioned, he refused to listen to Mngo's explanation. Rob v Hepworth 1928: "‘a criminal trial is not a game where one side is entitled to claim the benefit of any omission or mistake made by the other side, and a judge's position in a criminal trial is not merely that of an umpire to see that the rules of the game are observed’. A judge’s role is to see that justice is done. Assuming that the learned judge in the court below had for some reason indeed been mistaken or neglected to rule these statements inadmissible, there are others who could and should have ‘reminded’ him of the dangers involved in admitting certain evidence. This is what was expected of both the prosecutor and the defence representative."
Sad is to side with a judge who has to be impartial. He just refused to play back the recording. That is quite telling of his ideas, thoughts, biases and of course his tavern decorum
Johannesburg city has now changed to a guy named Johan. Instead of judge Ratha accepting that he was caught out, he gets emotional and bully. We all heard him. The statement/affidavit is not signed. How can this happen SA?
@mathaboshange5803 ke moloi tota. Na tdhwarehike hence the tantrums and threats to Due. Defence must sue all of them. Judge, state and their false witnesses. Wish we were in America. This nonsense would not fly
true and affidavit is an affidavit only when signed and before a commissioner of oaths. if it not signed it may as well have been doctored to manipulate justice.
Bcz they are making affidavits in their absence. They go along with what is written there. This witness couldn't even say he was present for the commissioning cz he can't answer who was the commissioner. He has a sworn statement but he wasn't there for that. Someone did that on his behalf. Somebody is writing their script
SABC please try to sort out the sound. The sound is muffled and we can hear more background noices than the actual proceedings. You should have someone listening in on UA-cam to make sure everything thing is correct.
I disagree with you. The only thing that can be considered as suspicions is what Zungu said in his testimony, he said acc 1 spoke about the death of Senzo before it was even broadcasted on radio stations. It is also there in brg Gs affidavit.... what is known but not told to us is that there is a person who got injured in the ankle, brg G were in search of a suspected with an injured ankle in his investigations, that which can only come with the full knowledge that there is someone who got injured on the ankle.... The persons in the house said he wasn't in the house when shots were fired, when he comes to court he will have to take up his trousers like accused 3 refused to. We must compare who got shot on the ankle. The truth is out and naked.
As the Judge denied Mr Mngomezulu a chance to retract and apologize, it may be important to note that he himself said the following denigrating statements in the process. 1. "Mr Mngomezulu don't use words that you don't understand" -Normally, you have to first ask the person to explain what they mean before concluding that they don't understand. 2. "you accuse me of colluding with the state just because i asked the witness to read this 'USELESS' affidavit?" -This may easily be construed as an insult to the state which brought the affidavit to court as admissible evidence. In the end, Mr Mngomezulu retracted his words. The Judge didn't. I must add that I love this judge. I genuinely think he is right almost all of the time in terms of the law. The only problem I see in him is that he applies the law in an asymmetric fashion i.e., he is quick to take the legal blueprint when he wants to make a point against the defense but hardly does the same when the state errs. He is right for example that the defense should wait for the state to finish its point before objecting. Common sense suggests that even in ordinary discussions, it is important to allow others a chance to speak before making your own points. But while this is the right thing to do, being raised by the Judge at this stage invites the obvious question of why the point had to start with the defense given how the state has constantly interrupted the defense. I am sure the judge will be the first to admit that he himself has hardly followed his own advice considering how he constantly interrupts Adv Mshololo. It is now well-known that Adv. Mshololo hardly finishes a sentence without an interruption from the court (the Judge to be precise). It is therefore against this background that Mr Mngomezulu's casual use of big and often inappropriate words such as colluding should be understood in its proper context. To be fair with him, it is often difficult, during the heat of the moment, to find the right and appropriate words to describe what seems to be an asymmetric application of the law.
A bad judge is a bad judge irregardless of what law they know. The altercation will keep him quiet for some time. The message has been delivered that he is BIASED
Are you saying Mr Mgo after 33years of being a lawyer does not know the meaning of english words? Then I think there is something wrong with the learned adv Mgo 😂😂😂😂😂
@@simonmahlangu9299 No I am saying it was disrespectful for the Judge to conclude that Mr Mngo did not understand what collude means before asking him to explain. Chances are high that he was going to explain exactly what it means.
This Judge, He said, "I hope you succeed"... That sounds like a threat, intimidation to be exact. I hope Mngo pursues this because there is evidence of the judge's character, even just based on today's proceedings, his character seems questionable. He said he admits the statement and it was properly commissioned by Johan which is false. When Mngo brings it up he is threatening to sue him!
Don’t twist things, he said he will sue when M got told he he should be truthful and patient, it had nothing to do with that but was about character assassination of the judge which he can’t prove, hence the apology! RATHA did well to stop him making reckless strutting to impress his followers
@@gugundimandenare7969 haibo Mngo is apologizing for using the words "colluding with State" but the video is there, to show that the court was untruthful and impatient.
I would never apologize to this court and Baloyi.. Advocate Mngomezulu you are one kind person. You told them the truth that hurts. This judge sucks abuses his powers. He should go back to his retirement and enjoy his Tarven visits
A section 205 against this judge can shut his big apartheid Mouth. We can show that this judge is publicly colluding with the state. There is even a public formal complaint against the apartheid enclined , apartheid minded judge. You have failed to preside over the case . It is foolish of this judge to threaten anybody with anything. The judge has crossed the red line. Sarcastic judge already with judge bragging that defence will loose appeal. Such a foolish assertion from a judge 😂😂😂
Its clear chief Mawumela was removed bcoz he couldnt take the mandate..so this 1 he did.. brown envelope..i wonder Mlambo and Zondo what is their take on ratha's behaviour
@@christinamoila5644lol state proved who the liar is today 😂😂😂.There's no state that's frustrated,but the state is tired of the allegations of being labeled as a tsotsi
to all those who believe that, this five young men before the court has committed an offence as alleged. My question is "why the state is struggling to place them at the scene and use the confession statements as they have been admitted" but they "state" is keep on bringing in the new evidence and ppl who can't even tell how senzo was murdered.😢😢😢 I personally don't believe that they were there when senzo was killed 🙋🏿
I am one of them, I am saying the state's game plan worked 1.The defence of these 5 accused was that they don't know each other ?why lie?which is proven to be false 2.Alibis of being in kwanongoma is also false 3.dock identification and accused number 3 described by people that were not even in the house that day? they even described what he was wearing that day and here is a cherry on top, his 9mm gun named "killing machine "it matches the projectile found in the house eyabulala uSenzo 4.Confessions by 1&2 collaborate the testimonys of 2 eye witnesses that were in the house, even when Muzi concealed the names of his co accused ,but confession is 100% truthful(1.They drove to Kelly with a polo ?both confessions say that 2.Kelly called to find out where they are and pulled senzo back into the house to say goodbye to her mom ,but she delayed them until the nkabis arrived 3.Kelly paid 4.Muzi was standing outside.These are the right guys the lies prove to me 100% not a single doubt .Allegedly
The state played it well , with the AVL, they let them lie and then produce it .They let Ntanzi lie about the assault and then produce the dental examination😂.They also let them lie about not knowing each other and then produce the 205s to prove communication,they lie about not owning the numbers and the state rebut all the versions using XDS ,enatis,bank statements 😂😂,but the defence can't counter evidence to rebut what the state has put before court for an example the defence says the bank statements are cooked and the judge says" OK let me give you a subpoena to go pull your client's bank statement and compare it with the one before me"they never did that 😂😂😂. Mngo tried once ,by producing an indictment from Kwanongoma and that was the last time .Mighty Baloyi
@@Chibvunza If you believe all that, where is Kelly Khumalo in dock box? Just that one aspect, let alone many 1. Hoodie jacket, 2. Gold teeth, 3. Dreadlocks, The gun used had a wheel 4. Sgt Mosia didn't find any a. Bullet head, b. Bullet shell Why state is depriving the defence evidence. You talk of the confession that was preprepared and the accused were coerced to sign e.g where did you hear or saw a state vehicle been mechanically attended by a civilian member, especially when it carries a suspect?? What they were doing with ntanzi there, have you ever knew a case were the arrested person saying that he'll be bored in police custody, he opted moving around with police in handcuffs. Oh 🙆🏿 come on, please.
Wena mr mngomezulu' 🙆🏿♀️ Jesus how disrespectful yet he is crying over what Mngooo said,truth itches🗣 well waid Mngoo👌🏿🔥🫦Vote WISELY 🗳my beloved cousins Modimo a nne le nyena🙏🏿
@@SINDIMAHLALELAam boiling Jesus,so this jp of his aint concerned about his nonsoonsoo??kante are you guys scared of this thiiiing??I cant stand this 78 yr old siiiiiiiis
@@Wele1012 tell your 78 yr old rubbish to behave himself he is grown up that aint his mokhukhu if at all ona nao,setlaela sa mokôupêrê old for nothing what a disgrace🤮he insulted black lawyers,moshololo now he is crying like a kid,childish foooooool,show him this message
That time he never lwts the defence finish, he always cuts cuts and asks the sit down, all the time. When its Baloyi, the opposite is enforced against the defence (objection). Such double srandards by the court.
For me Ratha must sentence this 5 nkabis the state has prooved that this 5 accused killed senzo meyiwa that wont change the evidence is enogh but fools are still denying
@@neogiven2307 i have never had from that court talking about a spaza shop the police found the murder weapon with accused #3 mncube who was on dreadlocks Bongani ntanzi who entered the khumalo house with mncube said mncube pulled the trigger remember those confetions were admisable in court so you keep on watching or listiening ama hearsay why do you say the state must put them to the crime sin ? The state was not the zandile khumalo tumelo madlala pointed Bongani ntanzi in court as one of the intrunders because they saw him when he was wearing a hoodie
He may have apologized but both he and Ratha know he was right. You can't let Zungu say he has a written statement and fail to produce it kanti you are not colluding. Then as a presiding officer refuse to listen the record to prove he had earlier said he had one. Some of you think we lost respect for Ratha justn yesterday.
The attitude and emotional disposition of this judge worries me a lot. Justice is not being served through this trial. Public money is being needlessly wasted. Mngomezulu is reacting to months of being irritated and undermined by the judge. Other lawyers have also reacted in some ways that suggest that they are absolutely unhappy with the judge.
Mngomezulu came upset and from the get go he was rude and language used by Mngomezulu towards the witness is it acceptable?cooking ?putting spice ?coach?that's serious allegations,but in the end Baloyi proved who the liar is 🫡
Before the court agenda Mshololo wanted to ask something did she managed to ask ??? Baloyi and Judge Ratha are talking too much, they confused the defence Ram didn’t even manage to say anything about this BMW car which we heard that there was no white BMW was used, because judge is always speak on behalf of the witness this case is not done the way it should, call Kelly or arrest her sothat this case will be resolved because for now it’s going on and on and new evidence is coming every day, but not helping with this case , mobile phones didn’t kill Senzo
The accused defence needed to be rebutted, that they've never met, they only met each other during the first appearance. Baloyi won in showing that, they are now admitting to knowing each other lol 2.Baloyi got the confessions 3.Mangena's cross examination which has been pushed back all this time as this will seal this case as Mr Mncube with dreadlocks,big eyes,beige clothing and 9mm gun was described by eye witnesses running out of the house carrying a gun and that gun matches the gun that killed senzo .So these 5 accused were to be charged in common purpose and to do that, it cellphone communication amongst themselves + the mastermind needed to be shown .Allegedly
The judge uses law to make decisions and even quotes sections of that law before making a ruling. Mngomezulu is just being emotional coz things are not going his way and I think he was out of line. Court and twitter are not the same and Mngomezulu is just being forward at this stage.
U Mr Mngo ubafakela umlomo mnandi, but it only works on us not the court, idlala ngaye le case ubona ngati kuyapekwa kanti kuyapandwa yhooo akawdlali lo mdlalo uBaloyi ufaka isbaxu indoda uyive isiti you are cooking akupekwa niks kuse court la uva kuduma i aircon uti si stove
Those who still dont know who killed semzo meyiwa this 5 accused are the ones who termineted the life of senzo robert meyiwa carlos mncube Bongani ntanzi entered the khumalo house demanded money and cellphones muzi sibiya remained out side the other two remained in car which was a distance away from the khumalo house a grey vw polo
Rata is mentally unstable. Thats why they fired him from Orlando Pirates when he was young. Doing the same thing he is doing today. Such an ungovernable mental case 😂😂😂
He should be reading from that dictionary the meaning of commissioned statement.... Being the state's no1 witness backfired.... 🤣🤣Johan commissioned the statement. Baloyi at lunch decides Johan is a place cz he can't produce a person
Yho hay shame this case reminds me of a movie Peppermint. When the state is in favor, is in favor ke nyhan . It’s so sad and painful to the family that has lost a loved one . May the Lord continue to be with the Meyiwa family .
Court of our country, shame, especially high Court like this, no dignity at all... This Court is not fair at all... Judge knows he is privileged,he can do or say whatever he wants, nobody will win against him... Shame, pride and arrogance 😮
What a kangaroo court 😅😅😅, worse than a tarven... Judge is too emotional... This case is no longer about The Justice of Senzo meyiwa, The accused are already being judged, it's clear. Judge has already confirmed that... If we call this "High Court "I'm ashamed... What a mess...sies 😮
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 Adv Mngomezulu saw Buthelezi in the kitchen of that spaza shop house 😂😂😂😂😂😂 cooking 🍳🍳 you are cooking now 😂😂😂😂😂 🍲🍲🍲 where will he dishup Mngo 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Very interesting developments. Mngomezulu who has been leading the pack in calling for Kelly's arrest says he now has an affidavit from her specifying which phone numbers she was using at the time of the killing of Senzo. It will be interesting to know how this affidavit came about. Obviously this was diposed to aid the defence and one now wonders whether we will no longer hear them calling for her arrest. Let's silently watch this space as things unravel
Haibo ok judge you can call and examine any person. Mngo was saying you can't read a statement that's not proven. The problem is that the statement is not proven so the State must 1st prove the statement and then you can examine him all you want. Kanti what is the law
The boss of the tavern is a hopeless example, he so bias and unethical. He should be removed in the interest of justice and making a mockery of the system. The JP must remove this guy before he makes unfair, uninformed judgement. We as the public is witnessing his partiality to state witness, Baloyi and suffocates council that the real truth is not exposed. Ganida and his gangsters, what a shameless display by a preceding officer.
Judge Ratha is failing to maintain his independence and impartiality
LONG LIVE ADV MNGOMEZULU 🎉
Long live Baloyi 🙌🙌🙌👍👍👍
@@RoyaltiesSouthAfrica-dm8mz😂😂😂 mxm
Long live Adv Mngomezulu🎉
UMngomezulu unekinga yokukhuluma angacabanganga kwelinye ilanga izomfaka engingeni he must learn to control his anger
@@sarahvilane3789 ijaji lona ulibona likhuluma kahle ne-defence? Nawe uma umuntu engakukhulumisa kabi you'll end up saying bad things to that person. This judge is the same as that other judge who was removed from this case
Adv Mngomezulu is correct to remind the Judge of its position, therefore, he CANNOT DECENT TO THE ARENA.
The arguments are between the 'Defense' and the 'State', and DEFINITELY NOT between the defence and the 'Court'.
Ratha's behavior has been getting out of hand.
Corruption and dishonest in this case is on highest level its true that Meyiwa family and south africans will never see justice for their son and poor Ntanzi and others are going down because ppl involved are rich. Judge Ratha is playing a victim now, has been bullying the defense since. Ngathi ungavuka ufile mkhovu ndini wekhehla
The evidence against the accused is so overwhelming……They won’t succeed…
I have never seen such a bad judge in my life. He can't even pretend to listen to the defence
@lungelwajames4257 lol poor Ntanzi was suppose to accept the plea deal ,but his was scared of his Nongoma uncles .The same rich mastermind who payed these 5 guys to take a life and is still paying for the deputy mastermind's legal fees .Allegedly
@@Chibvunzait's PAID
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 Mshololo ended this whole argument with 1 question 👏👏👏👏 How was his statement commissioned in his absence!!!!!!!! Mngo was right that this statement was incorrectly commissioned. But Rata has admitted it saying he approves. How can he approve a non-compliant statement hence Mngo said he will not even go into it. Thanks Msho my girl.
You can tell Ratha and Baloyi read social media comments. That's why they feel hot under the collar.
Lol Ratha doesn't care about social media comment .Ratha is invincible even your petition didn't work and BLA took him on only to find out he was the founder of BLA lol😂😂😂.Allegedly
@@Chibvunzaand you find that funny? Strange
@@phakamasihiya8697 I've have been seeing this imbecile in every comment..
Chibvunza do you by any chance have children and brothers?
@@Chibvunzanje. Is Mngomezulu who listen to tiktok supposing cheerleaders. Hence he forget himself
I wish Ratha cud have reported him .He will end up like Teffo if he's not careful
Thanks Mngo for telling this judge the truth
Senzo in his grave dealing with the likes of Tefo and Mngomezulu for colluding with his murderers that is why their mental disability in court.
That's what will cost him his career and in the end king Baloyi pulled out the record to prove who the liar is and besides .President Ratha won't change 😊 R vs herpworth
🚮🚮👈 Ratha
Panyopinu bwana@@RoyaltiesSouthAfrica-dm8mz
@@Chibvunza thank you
this judge is captured,he is trying by all means to protect baloi Mngomezulu is right,he misinterpreted the law in favor of the state,siiis maaan
Just watch his face when the defense is picking all holes of lies. tjoh! Ratha wena, how do you sleep?
Funny Mgomezulu apologised to the Judge but you are still saying this-
He has to but what he said was true Ratha is biased and bully @@jesusistruth9424
@@matemamatjila9011There is no holes being poked, just lies and hearsay with no evidence
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State have rightfully candidate here, Gininda n baloyi are going great wk
Ratha is a crook as well, how can he allow the evedence that is not authentic? The statement has no date and police number 🚮🚮
Every evidence that the state brought in this court is not make sure. I'm not doing law, but I can see
He has before in favor of the defence .Ratha for President
@@Chibvunzawhy are you lying? He gave Mngomezulu such a hard time over Sfiso Meyiwas' affidavit not commissioned.Mxm
Rata is corrupt. He is corrupt. Period
No corruption here it’s the law. Just because it’s not what you want
The double standard in this court! When Mngo read Sifiso Meyiwa's statement they said they couldn't see clearly who commissioned his statement and therefore, the validity of that statement was "not proven". But this Buthelezi officer his statement had some missing info that wasn't clear and they say if he attests that he wrote it is enough.
This is no longer a court is a seweto Tavern, Ratha usile ale moholo
Ratha is a DISGRACE..!
What truth did he tell the judge?
Mgomezulu is a Psycopath period..
RATHA take SIDE thats truth
How Mngomezulu treated a witness 😮
@@Chibvunza THE SAME AS how JUDGE treated defence
How can a statement be commissioned in the absence of the witness who wrote it,is that the correct way, thanks Mshololo for highlighting that.
When Mgo had an unsigned affidavit by Sifiso it was not admitted, why should Buthelezis be accepted, when he, himself said it's not signed?
Ivale mshololo. Witness made a sworn statement but he wasn't there
Ratha is satisfied that the statement was properly commissioned while Constable Buthelezi who is the deponent was not present when it was commissioned. How did that John with no force number commissioned the statement in the absence of the deponent?
This case is going nowhere. There is no evidence that leads to the murderer
This case is 65 % done and 85% when the vodacom lady is done ,95% after Mangena is done and 5% is for all the surviving witnesses testimonies. State proved the accused know each other 2.Proved the alibis don't exist 3.Confessions for accused 1&2 4.Dock identification by 2 eye witnesses 5.Proved the gun belongs to Mncube and he is as described even clothes he wore that day 26/10/2014 6.To prove that all five acted in common purpose and prove 3&5 's instructions came from the mastermind. Allegedly
The evidence is the gun that shot Senzo.. Carlos one of the accused was found with that gun..
@@RoyaltiesSouthAfrica-dm8mzdakiwe wena
@@NgwendeNgwende-cm2psplease follow the case
Gininda has long changed the story. The 9mm found with gadla, was missing 4rm the evidence room but when he changed the robbery story to CK, the gun also changed to revolver. All witnesses from the house said it was a revolver. In fact Longwe said a 38 special revolver. He gave a full description of the revolver in his affidavit
WHAT I HAVE LEARNED ABOUT THIS CASE IS THAT THE STATE IS INTERESTING ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED IN 2020 NOT 2014, THAT IS WHY THIS CASE IS DRAGGING
So is the defence, they are also assessing that, but the murder happened in 2014 so it’s ok, it’s relevant
@@gugundimandenare7969I understand that both the prosecution and the defense are addressing the events from 2020, particularly because that is when the arrests were made. However, the murder occurred in 2014, and it is essential for the State to focus on the circumstances and evidence from that time to ensure a comprehensive and accurate understanding of the case.
Go to spaza house why intertaing this nonsense yoh go 2 grade r with rata. Why is rata so stupid nd not begin with the ppl in the house. I dont no this law. Bring kelly chicco to clear this case. Everyone knows that baloyi is corrupt
Useless witness like always
Lol to you ,but this was a key witness to tell us about the cellphones confiscated which proved communications between accused 1,2 ,4 and 5 .After this state will charge them in common purpose
Judge why do you want to read this statement when Mngo said he is retracting the statement? What about Rob v Hepworth which says if the defense or State makes a mistake, the other must not take advantage of that.... So that only applies to the state and not the defense. Double-standard in this court.
You don't understand the context of R vs Hepworth 1928 maybe you must read it so that you won't misunderstand it.
@@justinmothibi5739 I suggest you read it yourself, I've attached it below. If comprehension is a strong suit of yours you will see that according to this, the judge was wrong and grossly mistaken when he admitted that statement after the defense told him that it was incorrectly commissioned, he refused to listen to Mngo's explanation.
Rob v Hepworth 1928: "‘a criminal trial is not a
game where one side is entitled to claim the benefit of any omission or mistake
made by the other side, and a judge's position in a criminal trial is not merely that
of an umpire to see that the rules of the game are observed’. A judge’s role is to
see that justice is done. Assuming that the learned judge in the court below had
for some reason indeed been mistaken or neglected to rule these statements
inadmissible, there are others who could and should have ‘reminded’ him of the
dangers involved in admitting certain evidence. This is what was expected of both
the prosecutor and the defence representative."
Sad is to side with a judge who has to be impartial. He just refused to play back the recording. That is quite telling of his ideas, thoughts, biases and of course his tavern decorum
Johannesburg city has now changed to a guy named Johan. Instead of judge Ratha accepting that he was caught out, he gets emotional and bully. We all heard him. The statement/affidavit is not signed. How can this happen SA?
He has been doing this and got away with it now he is emotional moloi o tsaba ho louwa
@mathaboshange5803 ke moloi tota. Na tdhwarehike hence the tantrums and threats to Due. Defence must sue all of them. Judge, state and their false witnesses. Wish we were in America. This nonsense would not fly
true and affidavit is an affidavit only when signed and before a commissioner of oaths. if it not signed it may as well have been doctored to manipulate justice.
How is it possible to say 'my Lord' when you are angry 😂😂
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Sometimes Mnisi akatsho yena
This is the main issue amongst black people, respect for authority and seniority
Why would so many witnesses lie under oath?
Bcz they are making affidavits in their absence. They go along with what is written there. This witness couldn't even say he was present for the commissioning cz he can't answer who was the commissioner. He has a sworn statement but he wasn't there for that. Someone did that on his behalf. Somebody is writing their script
@@kellybasic7210okay I see
simply bcos they are paid and the judge is also paid
@@MncedisiGebasheso all these ppl are paid to lie? Aibo
@@MncedisiGebashe paid by who?
SABC please try to sort out the sound. The sound is muffled and we can hear more background noices than the actual proceedings. You should have someone listening in on UA-cam to make sure everything thing is correct.
Hands off Mngomezulu
Hands of Mgomezulu wethu
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❤❤❤@@manenikalydia7888
Hands off Mr cool
Baloyi Rocks
@@RoyaltiesSouthAfrica-dm8mz tsosti lowo mxm
this case has been proved beyond doubt. These are the right suspects
I agree with you 🤞🏽
Not even this guy's are criminals but didn't kill senzo.
😂😂😂
Thank you judge herry with your 90 years experience
I disagree with you. The only thing that can be considered as suspicions is what Zungu said in his testimony, he said acc 1 spoke about the death of Senzo before it was even broadcasted on radio stations. It is also there in brg Gs affidavit....
what is known but not told to us is that there is a person who got injured in the ankle, brg G were in search of a suspected with an injured ankle in his investigations, that which can only come with the full knowledge that there is someone who got injured on the ankle....
The persons in the house said he wasn't in the house when shots were fired, when he comes to court he will have to take up his trousers like accused 3 refused to. We must compare who got shot on the ankle. The truth is out and naked.
Mngomezulu is the same man whose wife layed assault charges against..unodlame
He had never won a single case because of his unethical behaviour...
Ukuph wena
Stupid comment of a century
😂😂😂 I am not laughing
As the Judge denied Mr Mngomezulu a chance to retract and apologize, it may be important to note that he himself said the following denigrating statements in the process. 1. "Mr Mngomezulu don't use words that you don't understand" -Normally, you have to first ask the person to explain what they mean before concluding that they don't understand. 2. "you accuse me of colluding with the state just because i asked the witness to read this 'USELESS' affidavit?" -This may easily be construed as an insult to the state which brought the affidavit to court as admissible evidence. In the end, Mr Mngomezulu retracted his words. The Judge didn't.
I must add that I love this judge. I genuinely think he is right almost all of the time in terms of the law. The only problem I see in him is that he applies the law in an asymmetric fashion i.e., he is quick to take the legal blueprint when he wants to make a point against the defense but hardly does the same when the state errs. He is right for example that the defense should wait for the state to finish its point before objecting. Common sense suggests that even in ordinary discussions, it is important to allow others a chance to speak before making your own points. But while this is the right thing to do, being raised by the Judge at this stage invites the obvious question of why the point had to start with the defense given how the state has constantly interrupted the defense. I am sure the judge will be the first to admit that he himself has hardly followed his own advice considering how he constantly interrupts Adv Mshololo. It is now well-known that Adv. Mshololo hardly finishes a sentence without an interruption from the court (the Judge to be precise). It is therefore against this background that Mr Mngomezulu's casual use of big and often inappropriate words such as colluding should be understood in its proper context. To be fair with him, it is often difficult, during the heat of the moment, to find the right and appropriate words to describe what seems to be an asymmetric application of the law.
A bad judge is a bad judge irregardless of what law they know. The altercation will keep him quiet for some time. The message has been delivered that he is BIASED
Are you saying Mr Mgo after 33years of being a lawyer does not know the meaning of english words? Then I think there is something wrong with the learned adv Mgo 😂😂😂😂😂
@@simonmahlangu9299 No I am saying it was disrespectful for the Judge to conclude that Mr Mngo did not understand what collude means before asking him to explain. Chances are high that he was going to explain exactly what it means.
The Judge is becoming offensive when corrected
The court and the state are big buddies finish and klaar
Social media will destroy Mngomezulu career as it did with Adv Tefo
Loooool very true
You are colluding with the defense, always ready to attack and been bossy yet dmnot prepared to listen
This Judge, He said, "I hope you succeed"... That sounds like a threat, intimidation to be exact. I hope Mngo pursues this because there is evidence of the judge's character, even just based on today's proceedings, his character seems questionable. He said he admits the statement and it was properly commissioned by Johan which is false. When Mngo brings it up he is threatening to sue him!
Don’t twist things, he said he will sue when M got told he he should be truthful and patient, it had nothing to do with that but was about character assassination of the judge which he can’t prove, hence the apology! RATHA did well to stop him making reckless strutting to impress his followers
@@gugundimandenare7969 haibo Mngo is apologizing for using the words "colluding with State" but the video is there, to show that the court was untruthful and impatient.
One cellphone , then two cellphones and then three cellphones..
I would never apologize to this court and Baloyi.. Advocate Mngomezulu you are one kind person. You told them the truth that hurts. This judge sucks abuses his powers. He should go back to his retirement and enjoy his Tarven visits
The judge wants to take Mong out of play his a threat to the state
May i remind the court the about the witnesse that you didn't treat very well
A section 205 against this judge can shut his big apartheid Mouth. We can show that this judge is publicly colluding with the state. There is even a public formal complaint against the apartheid enclined , apartheid minded judge.
You have failed to preside over the case . It is foolish of this judge to threaten anybody with anything. The judge has crossed the red line. Sarcastic judge already with judge bragging that defence will loose appeal. Such a foolish assertion from a judge 😂😂😂
Do you know that you can be sued for making such statements without proof? Let me report you
@@justinmothibi5739mdidi wakho no Ratha just sue
This judge is corrupting the entire criminal justice system. A sincere apartheid apologist 🚮🚮🚮
@@justinmothibi5739you will report him to who and for what? Out here acting all relevant when you don't even know what locus standi is 🥱🙄🤣
Its clear chief Mawumela was removed bcoz he couldnt take the mandate..so this 1 he did.. brown envelope..i wonder Mlambo and Zondo what is their take on ratha's behaviour
50yrs of nonsense on the bench what a waste of time, Ratha is a state witness also is a defence lawyer for the state and witnesses
RATHA QUOTES THE LAW AND HE HAS GIVEN PERMISSION FOR MNGO TO TAKE HIM ON APPEAL 🫡Just to demonstrate that he's a baby
RATHA knows the law. Mngom uses emotion and intimidates witnesses and therefore loses all the time
As I'm speaking now the money is finished 😅😅😂😂
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂the envelopes are running dry
The state frustrations says it all
@@christinamoila5644lol state proved who the liar is today 😂😂😂.There's no state that's frustrated,but the state is tired of the allegations of being labeled as a tsotsi
Uzoboshwa🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 but ke no lies detected in your statement 🤣🤣🤣
@@ChibvunzaI trust you😅😅u will deal with them
Defense should contend that the judge be recused. He’s treating them like kids.
Unfortunately it’s too late. The accused are going to suffer because the state will have the opportunity to fix it’s mistake😢
to all those who believe that, this five young men before the court has committed an offence as alleged. My question is "why the state is struggling to place them at the scene and use the confession statements as they have been admitted" but they "state" is keep on bringing in the new evidence and ppl who can't even tell how senzo was murdered.😢😢😢 I personally don't believe that they were there when senzo was killed 🙋🏿
I am one of them, I am saying the state's game plan worked 1.The defence of these 5 accused was that they don't know each other ?why lie?which is proven to be false 2.Alibis of being in kwanongoma is also false 3.dock identification and accused number 3 described by people that were not even in the house that day? they even described what he was wearing that day and here is a cherry on top, his 9mm gun named "killing machine "it matches the projectile found in the house eyabulala uSenzo 4.Confessions by 1&2 collaborate the testimonys of 2 eye witnesses that were in the house, even when Muzi concealed the names of his co accused ,but confession is 100% truthful(1.They drove to Kelly with a polo ?both confessions say that 2.Kelly called to find out where they are and pulled senzo back into the house to say goodbye to her mom ,but she delayed them until the nkabis arrived 3.Kelly paid 4.Muzi was standing outside.These are the right guys the lies prove to me 100% not a single doubt .Allegedly
The state played it well , with the AVL, they let them lie and then produce it .They let Ntanzi lie about the assault and then produce the dental examination😂.They also let them lie about not knowing each other and then produce the 205s to prove communication,they lie about not owning the numbers and the state rebut all the versions using XDS ,enatis,bank statements 😂😂,but the defence can't counter evidence to rebut what the state has put before court for an example the defence says the bank statements are cooked and the judge says" OK let me give you a subpoena to go pull your client's bank statement and compare it with the one before me"they never did that 😂😂😂. Mngo tried once ,by producing an indictment from Kwanongoma and that was the last time .Mighty Baloyi
Kulele kunye kube kubili ngabe kuyaqhwebana 😂
@@Chibvunza
If you believe all that, where is Kelly Khumalo in dock box? Just that one aspect, let alone many
1. Hoodie jacket,
2. Gold teeth,
3. Dreadlocks,
The gun used had a wheel
4. Sgt Mosia didn't find any
a. Bullet head,
b. Bullet shell
Why state is depriving the defence evidence.
You talk of the confession that was preprepared and the accused were coerced to sign
e.g where did you hear or saw a state vehicle been mechanically attended by a civilian member, especially when it carries a suspect?? What they were doing with ntanzi there, have you ever knew a case were the arrested person saying that he'll be bored in police custody, he opted moving around with police in handcuffs. Oh 🙆🏿 come on, please.
@@thembimadi9537the reason why judge is so angry at the defence explain it all. Kuqhwebene
Colluding indeed truth hurts
But Mngomezulu is telling the truth Judge is offended couse truth hurts
Wena mr mngomezulu' 🙆🏿♀️ Jesus how disrespectful yet he is crying over what Mngooo said,truth itches🗣 well waid Mngoo👌🏿🔥🫦Vote WISELY 🗳my beloved cousins Modimo a nne le nyena🙏🏿
Ewuuu I was surprised too, wena
@@SINDIMAHLALELAam boiling Jesus,so this jp of his aint concerned about his nonsoonsoo??kante are you guys scared of this thiiiing??I cant stand this 78 yr old siiiiiiiis
Yini enimkhohlisayo uMngomezulu ma seka nkingeni you will not be there. You praising rubbish
@@Wele1012 tell your 78 yr old rubbish to behave himself he is grown up that aint his mokhukhu if at all ona nao,setlaela sa mokôupêrê old for nothing what a disgrace🤮he insulted black lawyers,moshololo now he is crying like a kid,childish foooooool,show him this message
Risking hiis career by pleasing illiterate like me
I hope the Sabc takes up this matter, and make it public.
They will paint mngo as the bad one and ratha the innocent victim
Sabc is ANC
Volume plzz😮
That time he never lwts the defence finish, he always cuts cuts and asks the sit down, all the time. When its Baloyi, the opposite is enforced against the defence (objection). Such double srandards by the court.
For me Ratha must sentence this 5 nkabis the state has prooved that this 5 accused killed senzo meyiwa that wont change the evidence is enogh but fools are still denying
Which prove r u referring to..the state failed to put the accused at the spaza house..so how did they kill him
@@neogiven2307 i have never had from that court talking about a spaza shop the police found the murder weapon with accused #3 mncube who was on dreadlocks Bongani ntanzi who entered the khumalo house with mncube said mncube pulled the trigger remember those confetions were admisable in court so you keep on watching or listiening ama hearsay why do you say the state must put them to the crime sin ? The state was not the zandile khumalo tumelo madlala pointed Bongani ntanzi in court as one of the intrunders because they saw him when he was wearing a hoodie
Ngasho izinkabi lezi ababulali awmbuke lomngo ingathi infene efuna ubhanana
Nkosana is now talking rubbish...
@@manenikalydia7888 rubbish is what you use when you urinate that is rubbish
I like how Mgomezulu apologised and how the Judge accepted the apology-
He has done it several times he will still make accusations without evidence and apologies again. It's nothing new he must be reported to the LPC
@@justinmothibi5739awukahle kancani
That time he has history of being broke and at some pout has failed to arrive in court because legal aid did not pay him. Report him Judge Ratha.
He may have apologized but both he and Ratha know he was right. You can't let Zungu say he has a written statement and fail to produce it kanti you are not colluding. Then as a presiding officer refuse to listen the record to prove he had earlier said he had one. Some of you think we lost respect for Ratha justn yesterday.
@@SibongumusantshangaseMXM
White BMW is now mentioned
Witness says John, ratha says Johan. Baloyi realised ohh no maan ke Johannesburg 🤣🤣
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U hv just killed me...😂😂😂😂Jon- johan- Johannesburg
@@manenikalydia7888 I have not recovered. I'm still in stitches 🤣🤣🤣
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂ratha😅
The judge relies on the law that is in our constitution while Mngomezulu relies on his own barbaric law.
Nangoke mr cooked mngomezulu with amahearsy useless lawyer to teach police how to do their jobs
And you not useless
@@LindaDube-du4hc phuma kimi
I agree with u is a useless lawyer
Bias Judge Ratha Mogwatleng 🚮🚮
Baloyi is brilliant. No wonder he hasn't lost any case. Accuse nr 1 actually said the police took his 2 cellphones.❤
You can praise Baloyi without lying you know.He has never lost a case? Mxm
Brilliant in lies ? You mean that
You can’t be a lawyer and not lie; the defence lie on behalf of their crooked clients all the time and if they argue we they are acquitted
Brilliant? Imagine …..yu definitely not watching the same case , the Meyiwa one shem
The attitude and emotional disposition of this judge worries me a lot. Justice is not being served through this trial. Public money is being needlessly wasted.
Mngomezulu is reacting to months of being irritated and undermined by the judge. Other lawyers have also reacted in some ways that suggest that they are absolutely unhappy with the judge.
Without a doubt
Mngomezulu came upset and from the get go he was rude and language used by Mngomezulu towards the witness is it acceptable?cooking ?putting spice ?coach?that's serious allegations,but in the end Baloyi proved who the liar is 🫡
Before the court agenda Mshololo wanted to ask something did she managed to ask ??? Baloyi and Judge Ratha are talking too much, they confused the defence Ram didn’t even manage to say anything about this BMW car which we heard that there was no white BMW was used, because judge is always speak on behalf of the witness this case is not done the way it should, call Kelly or arrest her sothat this case will be resolved because for now it’s going on and on and new evidence is coming every day, but not helping with this case , mobile phones didn’t kill Senzo
She asked 1 question. Was the witness there when the statement was commissioned. Witness answered no
True
@@kellybasic7210 thank you very much @Kelly
The accused defence needed to be rebutted, that they've never met, they only met each other during the first appearance. Baloyi won in showing that, they are now admitting to knowing each other lol 2.Baloyi got the confessions 3.Mangena's cross examination which has been pushed back all this time as this will seal this case as Mr Mncube with dreadlocks,big eyes,beige clothing and 9mm gun was described by eye witnesses running out of the house carrying a gun and that gun matches the gun that killed senzo .So these 5 accused were to be charged in common purpose and to do that, it cellphone communication amongst themselves + the mastermind needed to be shown .Allegedly
The judge uses law to make decisions and even quotes sections of that law before making a ruling. Mngomezulu is just being emotional coz things are not going his way and I think he was out of line. Court and twitter are not the same and Mngomezulu is just being forward at this stage.
Kuyobe unguwakwaKHUMALO spaza wena
the witness made a sworn statement without being in the presence of the commissioner, he won't find any law to correct himself. He was wrong
Well said court and social media are two different things
U Mr Mngo ubafakela umlomo mnandi, but it only works on us not the court, idlala ngaye le case ubona ngati kuyapekwa kanti kuyapandwa yhooo akawdlali lo mdlalo uBaloyi ufaka isbaxu indoda uyive isiti you are cooking akupekwa niks kuse court la uva kuduma i aircon uti si stove
Mngomezulu is the main man, kunini sidikiwe ngu Baloyi nale judge, m happy that the defence is dealing with both of them head on
Aw bandla, he was in his feelings. Mngo said he retracts it nje why is he bringing the dictionaries
Can the state show a bit of sensitivities in their dealings in this case. Someone was killed and none of the eyewitness is in the case.....
They never made me to hate you Mngo, ❤❤❤❤❤❤ you are on fire sir🔥
Mr Mngo❤❤❤❤❤Zulu.......
I think Ratha must be checked his.mental.state before he can convict the accused, I don't think he is mental sober. This man is sick.mannn
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True hey that guy is not mentally stable
Those who still dont know who killed semzo meyiwa this 5 accused are the ones who termineted the life of senzo robert meyiwa carlos mncube Bongani ntanzi entered the khumalo house demanded money and cellphones muzi sibiya remained out side the other two remained in car which was a distance away from the khumalo house a grey vw polo
Really.. Pls follow the proceeding..u lack legal advice..
@@neogiven2307 which legal advice are you talking about ? I will not change they killed senzo meyiwa
I'm not surprised, I don't know a smart Shongwe in my life
@@siphelelesangweni2072 are you smart ? Gudlucky
Where you the?
Rata is mentally unstable. Thats why they fired him from Orlando Pirates when he was young. Doing the same thing he is doing today. Such an ungovernable mental case 😂😂😂
U out of order it's a insult
Just because RATHA is following the law he is unstable! You don’t know the law and you have no proof these people are innocent after alll
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Suspect one spoke so many lies that even his lawyer is lying.😢 shame
I don't knw which case r you watching
Are we watching the same trial?
Stop following the case through comments @abudlkader927 you making yourself a fool
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 sometimes it's better to keep quite 😅
we are behind MR Mgomezulu ❤❤
Indeed so
Weak defence using emotions instead of facts
Really
interpreter is a turnoffThe interpreted
He should be reading from that dictionary the meaning of commissioned statement.... Being the state's no1 witness backfired.... 🤣🤣Johan commissioned the statement. Baloyi at lunch decides Johan is a place cz he can't produce a person
😂😂😂😂😂 Johan became Johannesburg 😂i court ka ratha
@@SwaziTshabalala-zp4by lol.. This is a joke. I tarven... Ratha ke tarven colluder 🤣John became Johan then Johannesburg
From John to Johan then Johannesburg
@@kellybasic7210😂😂😂😂😂
How did John escalate to Johanna in the first place 🤣🤣🤣ai ubaba wenu
Mr Mngomezulu loose control unnecessary, he needs to apologise but Mr Ratha he's angry
He is out of order and has no facts uses emotions and he will definitely lose this case
😂😂ratha was busy writing his law that suits him..there was no need to justify wrong to be write he is totally wrong
Yho hay shame this case reminds me of a movie Peppermint. When the state is in favor, is in favor ke nyhan . It’s so sad and painful to the family that has lost a loved one . May the Lord continue to be with the Meyiwa family .
Cant they bring another interpreter by Monday,coz wooow the current 1😢
I thought um d only one getting bored by him
The interpriter skipped the part tht cell phone replaced in 1forensic bag bcoz he is avoiding to menssion 1 cellphone
The gun that shot and killed Senzo belonged to Carlos Mncube hence his arrest.
Why the focus is not on him?
Nope. The gun that killed Senzo was a revolver. That what the witnesses saw, people who were in the house
SABC News idlala ngathi 😢 iyafana nje no Ratha kuthina lana
Court of our country, shame, especially high Court like this, no dignity at all...
This Court is not fair at all...
Judge knows he is privileged,he can do or say whatever he wants, nobody will win against him...
Shame, pride and arrogance 😮
What a kangaroo court 😅😅😅, worse than a tarven...
Judge is too emotional...
This case is no longer about The Justice of Senzo meyiwa,
The accused are already being judged, it's clear. Judge has already confirmed that...
If we call this "High Court "I'm ashamed...
What a mess...sies 😮
Fellow South Africans can't we please do something before it is too late, Innocent people are going to jail while those who killed Senzo are laughing.
Mngomezulu you failing to ask questions now you get emotional unprofessional
Relax you know nothing about lawyer..
MXM
U talking rubbish now with yo broken English
I love this judge he knows his story
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 Adv Mngomezulu saw Buthelezi in the kitchen of that spaza shop house 😂😂😂😂😂😂 cooking 🍳🍳 you are cooking now 😂😂😂😂😂 🍲🍲🍲 where will he dishup Mngo 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
You are cooking now,coming to add spice 🤣🤣🤣🤣
I don't like the behavior of the Judge
Mr interpreter is delaying the case😂
This witness is lying 😮😮😮
So much gaslighting and manipulation, worse refuse one to respond only to be told "sit down, no don't respond" ❌
Confessions are recorded so they want to clarify and we should just keep quiet
The judge tied down the defence so as to make room for Baloyi to have his way. At old age, one must be cleaning their acts
Very interesting developments. Mngomezulu who has been leading the pack in calling for Kelly's arrest says he now has an affidavit from her specifying which phone numbers she was using at the time of the killing of Senzo. It will be interesting to know how this affidavit came about. Obviously this was diposed to aid the defence and one now wonders whether we will no longer hear them calling for her arrest. Let's silently watch this space as things unravel
retract or not, the ears heard and heart knows the truth.
Ratha should be put under review,he thinks he's above the law,He's a Bought Judge,Anyone can see that😂
Why he didn't mention the cellphones in his testimony on trial within the trial
It's like I am watching a delayed match expecting a different result
Mngo yingcekeza nje
Ayi this interpreter 😏where is Jonas???
when will the trial resiume
You in big trouble Mungomezulu. How many times have we told you emotions don't work in a court of law.
BUT THE MESSAGE REACH RATA..HE WILL STOP HIS NONSENSE..HE JUST APPOLOGISE FOR HIS CAREE..JUDGE IS INDEED BIAS
The truth was put to Ratha l like the it
Say have I told you, we don't know what you talking about
Mxm
Lol telling him where? Do you even possess an LLB? Just sit down
This interpreter is not make sure
Been saying, ekare wa lla 😂😂😂
All these praises of the likes of Mngomezulu on social media are driving him insane.. He thinks he is the main character
@@RoyaltiesSouthAfrica-dm8mzso you admit there is a script? 😅
Can Jonas come back already, we are suffering
Haibo ok judge you can call and examine any person. Mngo was saying you can't read a statement that's not proven. The problem is that the statement is not proven so the State must 1st prove the statement and then you can examine him all you want. Kanti what is the law