@Thomas-oc2ln All religion is the same. The state of Israel vlearly shows how Jews treat other! Palestinians and Black refugees are denied human rights. End of story.
@@leonharrison800 You're right, they're terrible. And you're massively underselling yourself. They not only persecute Palestinians, they persecute you. And they're so good at it you have no idea that your entire worldview has been carefully shaped by them. Religions are not all the same. Clearly. Christianity builds civilizations while judaism destroys them, for example.
I went to an Episcopal elementary school growing up. I had a strong Christian foundation there at first, but as the older faculty got replaced and the church as a whole shifted towards liberalism, the Gospel eventually stopped being preached. I became an atheist/agnostic a couple of years after and stayed that way for 4 years before finally coming back to Christ. I'm glad that there are at least some people trying to bring the Gospel message back to the mainline Anglican churches.
I come from deep southern Baptist roots, and what the Lord has brought to my attention these last 6 months is nothing short of amazing!! Thank God i found a Baptist Church that is trying to steer to the 3 things you mentioned, Sacraments, beauty and TRUTH! I was surprised when i was being interviewed to become a member, They pretty much told me they would line up a baptism for me when I'd just said i was baptized when i was 10. I agreed, they heard me so i accepted they had their reasons. I was also surprised when our elders announced we would be doing communion every suday since early November. Surprised as i was, I've come to truly understand why this is so important. There is so much in the church i attend that ive never seen in any other Baptist church, i often wondered if it was really a Baptist church lol. The only time our lead pastor ever mentioned denomination is when he was telling a story where he was asked, and he answered 'protestant' lol. Anyway, my whole reason for commenting is that it really is a crisis, all the denominations. I pray that more churches start moving in the right direction, the SAME direction!
As a baptist fan of your channel This is so cool man. I excited to see how much your channel and internet career has grown. Great conversation and I really enjoyed it.
@marvalice3455 Conservative values and religious Dogma. Simple. Those who ignore human rights,animal rights and human caused climate change. Most mainstream governments.
I live in Ontario, Canada…our Catholic Churches end our masses with the “Saint Michael the Archangel “ prayer. I am so thankful for that as it is strongly needed in this woke world.
The only way to reclaim the rainbow is to acknowledge the Flood as a real historical event that laid down the sedimentary rock layers. This is actually easy (aquatic fossils on mountains, fossilized tree trunks that join "millions of years" of layers, soft tissue in dinosaur bones) but people are afraid to do it. Without judgment, mercy is meaningless. Without the Flood, people will act as they did in the days of Noah.
@@alexc9963 Well, it IS real, but lots of Christian leaders are getting wishy washy and saying it may have been metaphorical or a local flood instead of a global one. Usually the same people who say "well... evolution created all life on earth, but Genesis creation is metaphorically true". Maybe you haven't run into them but I run into a lot of "Christians" who don't stand for Biblical morality because they don't take God seriously as creator or judge.
@@axolet Infinite genders isn't real, but they fight hard for it because they BELIEVE that it's real. So I assume that our majority-Christian nation is allowing all of this nonsense because half the Christians don't take God's judgement seriously.
Very good conversation! Fr. Calvin is so articulate in explaining his concerns with the wokeness infiltrating all the churches. He is correct in that the St. Michael prayer to ask for spiritual protection against demonic attacks has been suppressed in recent years. As a Catholic, I only hear the priest initiate this spiritual "armor" every once in a while, not at the end of every Mass. So that is a great loss, but I still pray it every day. It would be nice to enter full communion with all churches, as Fr. Calvin mentioned, but it's kind of sad that it might take wokeness to make it happen, if it ever does... May God Bless you!
I’m not Anglo Catholic at all, but Calvin is a brave man. He actually stands up for the truth unlike Justin Welby, and Stephen Cottrell or most other senior C of E Bishops.
I've noticed that so many churches are recommitting the fall of mankind. In the Garden, Adam and Eve rejected God's authority of good and evil, and sundered humanity's relationship with the Lord until Jesus restored it. Now we have many churches again rejecting God's authority of good and evil, and I pray they don't need the second coming to show them what they were doing wrong.
I'm sure you're already aware, but in order to become ordained into the COE, one has to have the approval of the bishop of London. This is why Calvin ultimately got rejected, if they sense your intentions they will probably shut you down also. The higher ups are on a power trip as the COE is burning to the ground, they don't want non progressives on board who could steer it back on track.
This is encouraging! I feel like there is some hope in uniting. I'm non-denom right now, but my background and local area has deep baptist roots. I went to an Anglican church in college and fell in love with liturgies. I would love to see you continue reaching out to every apendage of the body of Christ!
Non denom truly is the way to go, especially when there a good mix of Baptist and orderly pentecostal (i.e. no everyone shouting in tongues at once or slaying in the spirit, but prayer in tongues in private). This is how we're converting the Hispanics, and it seems this group is now THE largest protestant sect in the USA.
What a great interview by two voices I so respect and deeply appreciate. I was however saddened by what the Rev. Calvin said at the end: that the Protestant faith should cease to exist. (elsewhere he has said he does not consider Anglicanism to be Protestant.) As a Christian who genuinely believes in the Truth, richness - and yes, the beauty! - of Protestant theology, that was like being punched in the gut. Denominational convictions about grace, faith, Scripture, the sacraments, justification, sanctification, ecclesiology, etc, do still matter today! They matter because the doctrines still matter. They are not only integral to living out the Christian life, but also to how we relate to and commune with the living God, and in some cases can affect whether or not we are ultimately saved or damned. That’s why Protestantism exists: because we have different convictions about doctrines such as these as compared to Anglo Catholics, Roman Catholics or the Eastern Orthodox.
Division is anti-biblical. Christ called us in John 17 to be united. The Kingdom of God on Earth can't have as much influence in the world (that then becomes more united in Satan) if we just separate indefinitely over doctrines. You either believe the Holy Spirit failed to preserve the Church until Protestantism came around, or that the apostolic faiths adhere more soundly to the teachings of the Spirit-filled successors of the apostles. That is why historically there were binding ecumenical councils that defined what the Church was supposed to believe, instead of indefinite division in distinct denominations.
@@wayseeker12 to more accurately portray it, the Holy Spirit isn't the one who failed, the Catholic church failed by changing scripture, obfuscating it behind a language that no one spoke at the time, and worrying more about the worldly kingdoms and political power than the spiritual and eternal kingdom of God. The Holy Spirit interceded in the many people that led the Reformation
Awesome collab. I strongly support Christian unity vs. agnostic/gnostic liberals, and I think that is the fight of our time, but if it becomes about joining the 'Big 3' and submitting to extra-Biblical doctrines, our side is going to remain divided. I would stand for the Reformation as I would for Biblical Christianity, because I see it as a work of the Spirit.
I agree. All churches that have a basically Christian view should acknowledge each other. Non-denominational churches are spoken poorly of in this interview, but they are not abandoning doctrine, they are abandoning the wars for status between organized denominations. Nevertheless I agree with the spirit of both of these good men of God.
Yeah, agreed. Especially since he tried to claim *his denomination* was different and in equal historical standing to the Orthodox/Catholic churches (which not only ignorea the coptic/eastern churches, but is also ridiculous because Lutherans came first and Anglicans only exist due to a political/marriage spat between the king and pope.) As Gavin Orland keeps emphasizing, one body of Christ doesn't mean one physical church. The spirit works in believers everywhere, and trying to claim that's not enough is emphasizing the wrong things
@@DrakonPhD I wasn't raised Catholic but came from a Catholic area, went to a Catholic school for a period, and married into a Catholic family. As I say to my Catholic friends (jokingly): when we get to heaven, Mary is going to ask you guys why you were praying to her when her son is RIGHT THERE. The point is, we Christians disagree about some things because many aspects of God are simply mysteries beyond our ability to understand completely. If we believe in Jesus, submit to Jesus, and follow Jesus, we'll all meet up in paradise. That's the unity we need to focus on.
I love to hear "keep doing what you're doing" and "your church shouldn't exist" only a sentence or two apart. sounds pretty strange, but the feeling is mutual 😅 so I get it.
The last couple of minutes were hilarious. You were so quick to answer his slightly unrespectful comment about how all reformed denominations should stop existing and come back to the “big 3” 😂. Like: “yes, ‘cause I guess you anglicans accept like whatever” 😂😂. And I’m a roman catholic. Greetings from Spain!
Operation reconquista sounds great but it will realistically not work over here in Sweden as the mainline Church is just the state Church and is controlled by our atheist government.
Jag vet att det finns många trogna jag har även hört att det finns en del trogna präster kvar inom Svenska Kyrkan: varenda trogen Kristen är som ett frö och om det vattnas med frekvent bön då kommer Gud göra mirakel och skörden av dessa frön kommer bli hundrafalt vilket är nog att ta över, ingenting är omöjligt för vår Herre. Gud välsigne dig!
I think in that case it's up to the free churches (non-established) to replant the gospel seed into the culture to the point where the electorate are putting christians into government, thereby reforming the Mainline Established church.
That's the biggest issue with the C of E, which Calvin didn't really touch on. The so-called Conservative government continue to put pressure on the bishops to liberalise doctrine. If they don't play ball, the government will just cut off the cash supply.
16:58 great conversation so far love the point about the prayers against evil and using masculine terminology. Sadly Christian soldiers has become Christian pilgrims in our hymn book except on St George’s day 🏴 the real words have so much more power. We are told to be a good soldier of Jesus Christ 2 Tim 2:3 KJV
I love the interview-type video. You did really good on this. It’s definitely an inspiration for Christians to get behind and support a truly good cause. Praise the Lord Christ!
I used to love Calvin (and still do just not for the same reasons as I used to) and then I started learning more about him outside his talking show and he just confuses me, he simultaneously talks about Anglican othodoxy and in that same sentence talks about how he prays the Rosary, ordains icons, and goes to mass? He completely ignores like half of the Anglican formularies. He isn't still in Anglicanism because he wants to promote Anglican orthodoxy or even catholicity but rather he's there to make it more Roman. He is a Roman Catholic in every way other than name.
I am an interfaith transgender girl. I was raised Catholic, then Protestant, then lost my belief in God, then regained my belief in spirituality after I gained contact with a benevolent spirit. The question I pose to you is: why must liberalism and the teachings of Christ be separate? After all, Jesus taught to give to the poor and to love everyone as yourself regardless of their standing or identity, which is what many liberals, including me, believe. Though I'm not Christian, I go to an Episcopal church, and participate in service every week. By the way, if one replies to this comment telling me that I am a boy or that I am delusional, I pose a second question. Why do you think you know me and my experiences better than I do? That is all.
_"then regained my belief in spirituality after I gained contact with a benevolent spirit. The question I pose to you is: why must liberalism and the teachings of Christ be separate?"_ A story as old as time, found right at the beginning of the Bible. A 'benevolent' spiritual entity contacts you and asks, 'Did God truly say...?'
@@Mic1904 That is simply not what happened. They seemed as confused as I was in that moment and simply told of their experience of nothing to something. After a while of getting to know them, they revealed a very strong sense of morality and forgiveness, pulling me away from dark thoughts and letting me know better how to love others and the world. They have never pulled me away from anyone, and certainly have never condoned or encouraged violence or aggression. Their presence is that of awe, like a sunset, yet gentle. It may be hard for an outside perspective to believe, but this being knows no evil.
@@doritoschnitzel7823 _"They have never pulled me away from anyone"_ Except Christ. _"Their presence is that of awe, like a sunset"_ 'And no wonder, for even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light.' (2 Cor 11:14) 'How you are fallen from heaven, O Day Star, son of Dawn!' (Isaiah 14:12) You probably couldn't have described a clearer picture of demonic power if you tried. 'Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God' (1 John 4:1). Tell me, what does this spirit tell you of Christ, the Son of God?
@@Mic1904 As I said, they have never pulled me away from anyone. Christ included. Though you may be convinced they are a demonic presence, (I would expect nothing else from most Christians) then if they are a demon, they really suck at it considering they have pushed me closer to God. You may ask how I know that, and it is because I have grown closer to others. If I was wracked with the spirit of Satan, I would be aggressive and destructive towards those who act such towards me, but I know a new kind of forgiveness. I hold no hate in my heart for anyone. That is how I know. I do not follow the Bible, but that is only because I do not trust it to be Godly. The text was written by humans, and even if it was originally gospel truth, it has had centuries of translations and distortions that may have warped that. Through my experience, true awakening to love is experienced through connection to the world, to nature, to life, to see the love and beauty in all things. There is nothing Satanic in that.
@@doritoschnitzel7823 How is Liberalism not compatible with Christendom? Liberalism places "Freedom" highest, resulting in the french liberal Philospher Rousseau's Belief that Men should be free from Society. He wrote that Man should be like an Animal in Paradise, eating when hungry, breeding when with one of the other Sex etc. He believed Hierarchies to be wrong, for they can be Barriers to Freedom. According to Christendom, the Family is a Microcosm of the Kingdom, which is a Microcosm of the Relationship between God and Creation; and so, because God is defined as good, Hierarchy is good; more below. The word "King" is actually forshortened "Kin-ing;" it means "Him from our Kin (Family)." In Families, it is traditional for the Father (the word "father" means defender) to be the religious Leader. (Abraham, for example.) Among Pacific Island Tribes are many Chiefs, with each Chief representing his Village as he worships and performs traditional Sacrifices; the Chief is the Village's Father. And these Chiefdoms were once found in Europe, where they later evolved into larger Kingdoms; the King is the Kingdom's Father. In the ancient Form of the indian Caste System, there were three Castes: Priests at the Top, Warriors in the Middle and Peasants at the Bottom: the King, being the overall Leader, was Part of the Priest Caste. The roman Emperor was also Pontifex Maximus, a religious Leader; there was also a Cult that worshipped him. The highest Leader of the Roman Catholic Church is also called Pontifex Maximus, and he is also the King of the Papal State/Vatican City. The British King is head of the Church of England, and is the "Defender of the Faith." The old english Kings claimed descent from Woden, King of the Gods. Many Germanic Kings during the Dark Ages created Bracteates, Medallions that depicted a King, sometimes with Bird-shaped Hair (showing an Aspect of Woden), or with a God guiding a Spear held in his Hand. The old norwegian Kings claimed descent from Ing, a God. The japanese Emperors claimed descent from the solar Goddess. The chinese Emperor was often called "Son of Heaven." The korean King gave Worship to the chinese Emperor, who then passed Worship to Ancestors who are in Heaven.
I think it’s best to concentrate on a few denominations and those that aren’t too far gone. Oddly enough the English Anglican Church went off the rails so hard. I think new need to pick and choose our battles. As even the Catholic Church seems up for grabs
27:27 No. Anyone who gives communion or performs a baptism in the name of the Lord is being guided by the Holy Spirit, whether they're in a tent with a few buddies or in a giant cathedral. We must not be discouraging people from doing this just because they're not part of a historic church, for "whoever is not against us is for us." (Mark 9:38-41)
@@portraitofman2063 Um, this isn't about someone just "saying or feeling" they have the spirit, this is about baptism and communion being given in the name of the Lord to His people. Trinitarian baptism is valid regardless of where it's done (even Rome would acknowledge this) and communion given in His name is very much valid as long as the person distributing it is a genuine preacher of the gospel. As OP and Scripture says, "Whoever is not against us is for us."
No wrong buddy! How does the Spirit lead? Answer. Always through the Word! Read your Bible and see who has authority to handle the Sacraments. Surely you have a low view of the Church to proclaim that anyone can give communion. What about the solemn warnings given to those who participate unworthily? It is the duty of Elders to guard the table of the Lord, and not a casual 'lets do this event!'
@@portraitofman2063 Acts 1:20-26 disproves "apostolic succession" one must have walked with Jesus from his Baptism until his Accension to qualify. 20 For it is written in the book of Psalms, Let his habitation be desolate, and let no man dwell therein: and his bishoprick let another take. **21 Wherefore of these men which have companied with us all the time that the Lord Jesus went in and out among us, 22 beginning from the baptism of John, unto that same day that he was taken up from us, must one be ordained to be a witness with us of his resurrection.** 23 And they appointed two, Joseph called Barsabas, who was surnamed Justus, and Matthias. 24 And they prayed, and said, Thou, Lord, which knowest the hearts of all men, shew whether of these two thou hast chosen, 25 that he may take part of this ministry and apostleship, from which Judas by transgression fell, that he might go to his own place. 26 And they gave forth their lots; and the lot fell upon Matthias; and he was numbered with the eleven apostles.
United historical confessional churches vs the United progressive churches? That’s one way to roll back denominational splits and bring back church unity. I’d be here for it.
The Anglican Church of the past was solidly Calvinistic. As with the Lutheran Church, they drifted into Arminianism and forgot their roots. The early Baptist movement was also deeply Calvinistic, and we are slowly moving back to a majority of the denomination.
Church of England-Continuing and the Evangelical Connexion of the Anglican Mission in England are still 5 point Calvinist (Bible Believing) under the 39 Articles and the 1646 Westminster Confession of Faith, so there are still some Anglicans that Reject the *Damnable Heresy* (as Declared at the 1619 Synod of Dort) of Arminian - Papacist- Pelagianism, and hold steadfast to the Biblical truth of the 5 Points of Grace, we are just in a minority sadly. Love and Peace.
'Hobgoblin nor foul fiend shall daunt his spirit' was the original version of Bunyan hymn. It has been replaced with 'Since Lord thou doth defend us by thy Spirit'. This sums up the feminisation of the church. No longer an proactive aggressive approach against the enemy but a defensive one.
effeminacy doesn't mean you are feminine. it is worse, it means a man lacks masculinity. men can neer be feminine, and women can never trly be masculine. we can only lack the virtues we ought to have, never able to attain the true opposites.
Bro absolutely destroyed zoomer at the end by saying all other Protestant denominations shouldn’t exist anymore. But for real, I would totally subscribe to a podcast of zoomer interviewing pastors from every denomination
The Church of England being the State Church is probably what has saved most of its churches, but is also its downfall, it cannot diverge in any meaningful way from modern political whims and its leadership is dictated by party politics. The only way it can be saved is with separation of Church and State, perhaps with a symbolic continuation of unity between Church and Crown, but with no representatives in the House of Lords or any real influence either on politics or from politics. That, along with giving the global Anglican Communion a larger say in who is elected to the Archbishopric of Canterbury, could facilitate a return to orthodoxy.
Great interview on an interesting topic. We need to find a way to unite around christ despite our differences. That's the only way we can counter the craziness going on in our churches. Sparkle creed? That's crazy lol
I think I'd push back on the idea that churches should be a certain aesthetic. Is it nice when they are? For sure. But I think it's the least important by far out of Goodness, Truth and Beauty. It's a good reflection of God's being, but I'd rather be worshipping in a tent, rather than miss out on the other two. You also have the problem of beauty being completely subjective, whereas the other two things are not. Some people find Baroque and ornamental architecture beautiful, but others find beauty in a lot more simple designs. Who creates more beautiful works? Rembrandt, Monet or Van Gogh? You can only answer that as a subjective opinion. I think we can all agree that a converted warehouse church building is never going to be beautiful, but I'd still highlight the subjectivity of beauty. And you never find anywhere in scripture that gives any reference to how church buildings should look (churches, not the very specific description of the temples in Jerusalem for instance). Oftentimes for the early churches, it was just somebody's house. Is beauty important? Yes. Should we strive to make beautiful things to point towards God? Yes. What is a church's main concern? If it's the building over the people in it, they are doing something wrong.
Beauty cannot be completely subjective if God created it. Traditionally, Christianity has believed in objective physical beauty. Beauty being purely subjective is a modernist lie
@@redeemedzoomer6053 It's an interesting topic! I'd like to rephrase my view on subjectivity. I don't think there is total subjectivity in beauty. After all, we can agree that an athletic, well groomed person looks better than an unfit, overweight person who hasn't groomed in months. However so much of architecture and style IS very subjective. Some find Scandinavian minimalism beautiful, and others find a church decked out in gold really gaudy. Subjective. Where does it say in scripture that a church should be a physically beautiful building? As far as I can tell, the Bible says nothing on how christian churches should and shouldn't look from a physical perspective. Jesus and the apostles seem far more concerned with correct teaching and acting in accordance with out faith. Please do correct me if you have an example though! --- I'd like to put forward this verse for consideration: 1 Peter 3:3-5 - "Do not let your adorning be external-the braiding of hair and the putting on of gold jewellery, or the clothing you wear- but let your adorning be the hidden person of the heart with the imperishable beauty of a gentle and quiet spirit, which in God’s sight is very precious." Yes, this verse is about enhancing personal beauty through accessorising, but I don't think it's too much of a stretch to also apply this to our churches as well. The physical beauty pales into comparison compared to the important things. Teaching the word of God faithfully, celebrating Jesus' life, death and resurrection together and meeting regularly for fellowship. --- I'm not against beautiful churches, quite the opposite in fact! We already have far too many bland, uninspired buildings as it is. What I am pushing back on is the idea that physical beauty is as important as is stated in the video, and you'd need some evidence from the Bible to assert that.
@@redeemedzoomer6053should the churches be painted Bone or Pearl white? Which is the more "objectively" beautiful option? Also how can beauty not be subjective if God created it? Would that not mean NOTHING can be subjective, since God made everything? Can I not decide if I find broccoli or carrots more delicious because that's a subjective rating of God's creation? Such simple pitfalls are the doom of your brand of ideology.
I’m sure I’d be a more liberal Christian than you two (I’m conservative for an ELCA Lutheran but definitely too liberal for Evangelicals), but I’m MUCH closer to both of you than I am to these aptly named wolves in sheep clothing! I think it’d be incredibly productive to separate theologically liberal/moderate people who are still genuine Christians from these TRUE heretics in some Mainline churches. Theological liberalism might be believing in evolution, but it’s NOT denying the virgin birth or resurrection. It might mean being more tolerant of gay lifestyles, but it is NOT saying crazy stuff like God has gender pronouns. Most Mainliners are NOWHERE near as liberal as the freak shows in leadership of our once proud denominations!
To better understand the orthodox/liberal divide, I recommend you read Christianity and Liberalism by Machen. It is 100 years old, but could have been written yesterday.
I'm a staunch atheist and leftist, however I find it fascinating to see how the religious right thinks and you consistently give well thought out points and videos. So while I may not agree, you have my respect in that regard. Continue the good work👍
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Every single comment is about unity, support and excitement for this interview and for the channel. Every single one. What other UA-cam community can say that? Lol
I was UMC but left because of its dramatic shift to apostasy. I’m now ACNA. I should’ve seen the feminization of the UMC when the bishops removed Onward Christian Soldiers from the hymnal.
@@redeemedzoomer6053 probably. How do you address the issue, though, of a portion of tithes/offerings going to the national office? I know that you’ve faced this issue in the PCISA.
I really reccoment Father Josiah Trenham for a future interview for an orthodox perspective on the crysis of modernism in Church, masculinity, the lgbtqxyzp+ situation, etc.
Strength in commonalities!! Beautiful concept! Why is the church picking at every tiny specific of a congregation? The enemy is too large for us to be quibbling over trivialities! And the consequences too dire!
My main issue is the assertion that Lutheranism isn’t one of the big three, with the Anglican Church being there instead. The Lutheran church was the original Protestant Church and holds the strongest to the head of the Protestant movement, being Luther himself. The Lutheran church, at least confessional Lutherans, also have a book of confessions that we hold to which allows for strong uniformity within Confessional Lutheranism. That uniformity is good on its own but also allows for a clear statement of our beliefs and an easy way to distinguish if a church is actually Lutheran. Going back to our history, it’s hard to give up 500+ years of history and theology simply in the name of uniformity. Overall, I really enjoyed the video and though many great points were made but do think if there is such a thing as the “big 3” it is at least somewhat biased to put the Anglican Church above the Lutheran church. God bless you and thank you for your push against liberal Christianity.
I'm going to jump in and say that, while this personally isn't my own view, the traditional Anglo-Catholic view is coming at this matter from a different perspective and looks more like the following: for an Anglo-Catholic, they believe the 'Anglican' church didn't merely start as a distinct identity with Henry VIII and the Reformation, but is in fact simply the unbroken continuation of the Ancient British and Celtic Christianity of the British Isles, of Augustine of Canterbury (c.597) and earlier. Therefore, they see Rome, Constantinople and Canterbury as the natural three historic centres of the three historic 'strands' of ancient Christendom (Roman, Eastern and Anglo). And, in fairness to them, the Anglican Communion (and that's not even including those splinters, like the one Calvin belongs to) is indeed numerically the third largest Christian communion after the Catholic and Orthodox communions. Now, you don't need to agree with any of this take, but you can see how this take is less about belittling or overlooking Lutherans (nor is it even really looking at it through the lens of Anglicans as Protestants, necessarily) and is simply coming at the matter from a different angle. God bless.
@@Mic1904 thanks for the reply, this explanation helps me see where he is coming from. Though I do still think him excluding Lutherans is a little unfair given my previous explanation. As in a similar way Lutherans, despite the name, don’t see our tradition as starting with Luther but rather a continuation of the true Catholic Church. A great book about that aspect being “the conservative reformation”. That being said, it is a sadly common trend for us to be overlooked and forgotten. God Bless
I'm not sure that its a competition. Who cares if your "number 1" or ranked 17th... surely the most important thing is your Christian faith and being at peace with that. The rest, ranking's and so on becomes ego-centric perhaps.
Never stop reaching out. Christians coming together is the most important thing right now.
Yes. United on bigotry and hate. Soo good to see!!!!
@@leonharrison800 Jewish opinion. Discarded.
@@leonharrison800 United in defending the truth. I'm sorry, it's the world who hates us and wants us killed, not the opposite.
@Thomas-oc2ln
All religion is the same. The state of Israel vlearly shows how Jews treat other! Palestinians and Black refugees are denied human rights. End of story.
@@leonharrison800 You're right, they're terrible. And you're massively underselling yourself. They not only persecute Palestinians, they persecute you. And they're so good at it you have no idea that your entire worldview has been carefully shaped by them.
Religions are not all the same. Clearly. Christianity builds civilizations while judaism destroys them, for example.
I love this man's frank boldness, yet meek mildness. It reveals the Holy Spirit within. ❤
Rubbish. The man is a fool who thinks he has truth. A dangerous fundamentalist!
Bollocks. The man is a fool.
Holy spirit within? Calvin Robinson is a Bigot. Certainly not " Christian"! Or maybe that depends on definition????
both of them
That is a great description. Well said!!
I went to an Episcopal elementary school growing up. I had a strong Christian foundation there at first, but as the older faculty got replaced and the church as a whole shifted towards liberalism, the Gospel eventually stopped being preached. I became an atheist/agnostic a couple of years after and stayed that way for 4 years before finally coming back to Christ. I'm glad that there are at least some people trying to bring the Gospel message back to the mainline Anglican churches.
I come from deep southern Baptist roots, and what the Lord has brought to my attention these last 6 months is nothing short of amazing!! Thank God i found a Baptist Church that is trying to steer to the 3 things you mentioned, Sacraments, beauty and TRUTH! I was surprised when i was being interviewed to become a member, They pretty much told me they would line up a baptism for me when I'd just said i was baptized when i was 10. I agreed, they heard me so i accepted they had their reasons. I was also surprised when our elders announced we would be doing communion every suday since early November. Surprised as i was, I've come to truly understand why this is so important. There is so much in the church i attend that ive never seen in any other Baptist church, i often wondered if it was really a Baptist church lol. The only time our lead pastor ever mentioned denomination is when he was telling a story where he was asked, and he answered 'protestant' lol.
Anyway, my whole reason for commenting is that it really is a crisis, all the denominations. I pray that more churches start moving in the right direction, the SAME direction!
As a baptist fan of your channel This is so cool man. I excited to see how much your channel and internet career has grown. Great conversation and I really enjoyed it.
why baptist? why are babies excluded from the new covenant if they were in the old, through circumcision?
@@AquinasBasedbaptists are stupid. Redeemed Zoomer agrees with this take but he wouldn’t say it because he wants to be politically correct.
@@AquinasBased old
Because when you observe the pattern of baptism
Its salvation then believers baptism
Children cannot make the conscious decision of faith nor baptism
@@AquinasBased because baptism is about killing children
No way you actually got this blessed man on. Bravo m8.
Reverend Robinson is a key figure in my own return to Christ. He's a magnificent speaker on this subject.
Who needs evil when we have Reverand Calvin Robinson???
@@leonharrison800 define evil without naming any indvidual people.
@marvalice3455
Conservative values and religious Dogma. Simple. Those who ignore human rights,animal rights and human caused climate change. Most mainstream governments.
I live in Ontario, Canada…our Catholic Churches end our masses with the “Saint Michael the Archangel “ prayer. I am so thankful for that as it is strongly needed in this woke world.
It's time for christians to reclaim the rainbow
The only way to reclaim the rainbow is to acknowledge the Flood as a real historical event that laid down the sedimentary rock layers. This is actually easy (aquatic fossils on mountains, fossilized tree trunks that join "millions of years" of layers, soft tissue in dinosaur bones) but people are afraid to do it.
Without judgment, mercy is meaningless. Without the Flood, people will act as they did in the days of Noah.
@@ethanmoon3925 everyone knows the flood is real... what r u talking about?
@@ethanmoon3925Doubt that's the problem. Infinite genders isn't real, yet people associate the rainbow with the alphabet parade.
@@alexc9963 Well, it IS real, but lots of Christian leaders are getting wishy washy and saying it may have been metaphorical or a local flood instead of a global one. Usually the same people who say "well... evolution created all life on earth, but Genesis creation is metaphorically true".
Maybe you haven't run into them but I run into a lot of "Christians" who don't stand for Biblical morality because they don't take God seriously as creator or judge.
@@axolet Infinite genders isn't real, but they fight hard for it because they BELIEVE that it's real. So I assume that our majority-Christian nation is allowing all of this nonsense because half the Christians don't take God's judgement seriously.
Very good conversation! Fr. Calvin is so articulate in explaining his concerns with the wokeness infiltrating all the churches. He is correct in that the St. Michael prayer to ask for spiritual protection against demonic attacks has been suppressed in recent years. As a Catholic, I only hear the priest initiate this spiritual "armor" every once in a while, not at the end of every Mass. So that is a great loss, but I still pray it every day. It would be nice to enter full communion with all churches, as Fr. Calvin mentioned, but it's kind of sad that it might take wokeness to make it happen, if it ever does... May God Bless you!
The Orthodox Church liturgy of S John Chrysostom addresses attacks by the Devil :-) Therefore the Orthodox Churches are always under attack.
Give this man a plot in KingdomCraft
I’m not Anglo Catholic at all, but Calvin is a brave man. He actually stands up for the truth unlike Justin Welby, and Stephen Cottrell or most other senior C of E Bishops.
I've noticed that so many churches are recommitting the fall of mankind. In the Garden, Adam and Eve rejected God's authority of good and evil, and sundered humanity's relationship with the Lord until Jesus restored it. Now we have many churches again rejecting God's authority of good and evil, and I pray they don't need the second coming to show them what they were doing wrong.
I want to become a CofE priest to reform and bring back Christ’s teachings to England.
You should! I'll be praying for you!
@@budicaesar1213 thank you that is so nice
I'm sure you're already aware, but in order to become ordained into the COE, one has to have the approval of the bishop of London. This is why Calvin ultimately got rejected, if they sense your intentions they will probably shut you down also. The higher ups are on a power trip as the COE is burning to the ground, they don't want non progressives on board who could steer it back on track.
@@budicaesar1213praying is like wiping your tissue paper on your ass and wishing it will be money.
Me too brother good luck.
This is encouraging! I feel like there is some hope in uniting. I'm non-denom right now, but my background and local area has deep baptist roots. I went to an Anglican church in college and fell in love with liturgies. I would love to see you continue reaching out to every apendage of the body of Christ!
Non denom truly is the way to go, especially when there a good mix of Baptist and orderly pentecostal (i.e. no everyone shouting in tongues at once or slaying in the spirit, but prayer in tongues in private). This is how we're converting the Hispanics, and it seems this group is now THE largest protestant sect in the USA.
Doing God's work
Lol. A control freak in a uniform.
@@leonharrison800 Please find the love of Christ Brother.
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Keep your mental illness. You people have already done untold harm from your lies.🤮🤮
I've never heard this man speak before, so sorry to say I did not expect it to be as thunderous as an everyday British gentleman
I saw this guy on Pints with Aquinas very well spoken and thoughtful man. Excellent guest!
I love the interaction between traditions that we're seeing right now. I hope to join a more high-church denomination in the future
Big fan of Father Robinson, I'm glad you got him on!
I love father Calvin Robinson - I believe in everything this great man says. 🙏🏻
May many more zoomers be redeemed.
What a great interview by two voices I so respect and deeply appreciate. I was however saddened by what the Rev. Calvin said at the end: that the Protestant faith should cease to exist. (elsewhere he has said he does not consider Anglicanism to be Protestant.) As a Christian who genuinely believes in the Truth, richness - and yes, the beauty! - of Protestant theology, that was like being punched in the gut.
Denominational convictions about grace, faith, Scripture, the sacraments, justification, sanctification, ecclesiology, etc, do still matter today! They matter because the doctrines still matter. They are not only integral to living out the Christian life, but also to how we relate to and commune with the living God, and in some cases can affect whether or not we are ultimately saved or damned. That’s why Protestantism exists: because we have different convictions about doctrines such as these as compared to Anglo Catholics, Roman Catholics or the Eastern Orthodox.
Division is anti-biblical. Christ called us in John 17 to be united. The Kingdom of God on Earth can't have as much influence in the world (that then becomes more united in Satan) if we just separate indefinitely over doctrines. You either believe the Holy Spirit failed to preserve the Church until Protestantism came around, or that the apostolic faiths adhere more soundly to the teachings of the Spirit-filled successors of the apostles. That is why historically there were binding ecumenical councils that defined what the Church was supposed to believe, instead of indefinite division in distinct denominations.
@@wayseeker12 to more accurately portray it, the Holy Spirit isn't the one who failed, the Catholic church failed by changing scripture, obfuscating it behind a language that no one spoke at the time, and worrying more about the worldly kingdoms and political power than the spiritual and eternal kingdom of God. The Holy Spirit interceded in the many people that led the Reformation
Different convictions all based around cherry picking God's word, diverting from the path of righteousness, becoming more liberal ect
@@wayseeker12 Very well stated!
Thank you for asking the question in the church: "Why does beauty matter?". Loved the episode.
It's Calvin's words which nailed the first crack in my Neo-Liberalism 1 1/2 years ago. God bless this brother.
Awesome collab. I strongly support Christian unity vs. agnostic/gnostic liberals, and I think that is the fight of our time, but if it becomes about joining the 'Big 3' and submitting to extra-Biblical doctrines, our side is going to remain divided. I would stand for the Reformation as I would for Biblical Christianity, because I see it as a work of the Spirit.
I agree. All churches that have a basically Christian view should acknowledge each other. Non-denominational churches are spoken poorly of in this interview, but they are not abandoning doctrine, they are abandoning the wars for status between organized denominations. Nevertheless I agree with the spirit of both of these good men of God.
Agree 100%. Only part of the interview I disliked.
Yeah, agreed. Especially since he tried to claim *his denomination* was different and in equal historical standing to the Orthodox/Catholic churches (which not only ignorea the coptic/eastern churches, but is also ridiculous because Lutherans came first and Anglicans only exist due to a political/marriage spat between the king and pope.)
As Gavin Orland keeps emphasizing, one body of Christ doesn't mean one physical church. The spirit works in believers everywhere, and trying to claim that's not enough is emphasizing the wrong things
@@DrakonPhD I wasn't raised Catholic but came from a Catholic area, went to a Catholic school for a period, and married into a Catholic family.
As I say to my Catholic friends (jokingly): when we get to heaven, Mary is going to ask you guys why you were praying to her when her son is RIGHT THERE.
The point is, we Christians disagree about some things because many aspects of God are simply mysteries beyond our ability to understand completely. If we believe in Jesus, submit to Jesus, and follow Jesus, we'll all meet up in paradise. That's the unity we need to focus on.
I love to hear "keep doing what you're doing" and "your church shouldn't exist" only a sentence or two apart. sounds pretty strange, but the feeling is mutual 😅 so I get it.
that part made me laugh, gotta love Robinson lol
I LOVE this guy... He seems to be moving towards Catholicism. 👍 🙏
The last couple of minutes were hilarious. You were so quick to answer his slightly unrespectful comment about how all reformed denominations should stop existing and come back to the “big 3” 😂. Like: “yes, ‘cause I guess you anglicans accept like whatever” 😂😂. And I’m a roman catholic. Greetings from Spain!
Operation reconquista sounds great but it will realistically not work over here in Sweden as the mainline Church is just the state Church and is controlled by our atheist government.
Jag vet att det finns många trogna jag har även hört att det finns en del trogna präster kvar inom Svenska Kyrkan: varenda trogen Kristen är som ett frö och om det vattnas med frekvent bön då kommer Gud göra mirakel och skörden av dessa frön kommer bli hundrafalt vilket är nog att ta över, ingenting är omöjligt för vår Herre. Gud välsigne dig!
I think in that case it's up to the free churches (non-established) to replant the gospel seed into the culture to the point where the electorate are putting christians into government, thereby reforming the Mainline Established church.
dayum, reconquista there would be a whole crusade
That's the biggest issue with the C of E, which Calvin didn't really touch on. The so-called Conservative government continue to put pressure on the bishops to liberalise doctrine. If they don't play ball, the government will just cut off the cash supply.
Sweden is a neutered country with neutered people. Doubt there will be much of it in 100 hundred years.
16:58 great conversation so far love the point about the prayers against evil and using masculine terminology. Sadly Christian soldiers has become Christian pilgrims in our hymn book except on St George’s day 🏴 the real words have so much more power. We are told to be a good soldier of Jesus Christ 2 Tim 2:3 KJV
Whaaaat.... You got Calvin Robinson... Dang good job man!
Struggeling to find a church that has all three, truth, goodness, and beauty. That quest can unite us!
I love the interview-type video. You did really good on this. It’s definitely an inspiration for Christians to get behind and support a truly good cause. Praise the Lord Christ!
I used to love Calvin (and still do just not for the same reasons as I used to) and then I started learning more about him outside his talking show and he just confuses me, he simultaneously talks about Anglican othodoxy and in that same sentence talks about how he prays the Rosary, ordains icons, and goes to mass? He completely ignores like half of the Anglican formularies.
He isn't still in Anglicanism because he wants to promote Anglican orthodoxy or even catholicity but rather he's there to make it more Roman. He is a Roman Catholic in every way other than name.
Calvin is just awesome . Truth is spoken
Keep going Red, the world needs to hear God’s word.
Rev. Calvin is quite holy. God bless him! 🙏🏻✝️
Bro really got an interview with Calvin Robinson... Amazing!
I am an interfaith transgender girl. I was raised Catholic, then Protestant, then lost my belief in God, then regained my belief in spirituality after I gained contact with a benevolent spirit. The question I pose to you is: why must liberalism and the teachings of Christ be separate? After all, Jesus taught to give to the poor and to love everyone as yourself regardless of their standing or identity, which is what many liberals, including me, believe. Though I'm not Christian, I go to an Episcopal church, and participate in service every week. By the way, if one replies to this comment telling me that I am a boy or that I am delusional, I pose a second question. Why do you think you know me and my experiences better than I do? That is all.
_"then regained my belief in spirituality after I gained contact with a benevolent spirit. The question I pose to you is: why must liberalism and the teachings of Christ be separate?"_
A story as old as time, found right at the beginning of the Bible. A 'benevolent' spiritual entity contacts you and asks, 'Did God truly say...?'
@@Mic1904 That is simply not what happened. They seemed as confused as I was in that moment and simply told of their experience of nothing to something. After a while of getting to know them, they revealed a very strong sense of morality and forgiveness, pulling me away from dark thoughts and letting me know better how to love others and the world. They have never pulled me away from anyone, and certainly have never condoned or encouraged violence or aggression. Their presence is that of awe, like a sunset, yet gentle. It may be hard for an outside perspective to believe, but this being knows no evil.
@@doritoschnitzel7823 _"They have never pulled me away from anyone"_
Except Christ.
_"Their presence is that of awe, like a sunset"_
'And no wonder, for even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light.' (2 Cor 11:14)
'How you are fallen from heaven, O Day Star, son of Dawn!' (Isaiah 14:12)
You probably couldn't have described a clearer picture of demonic power if you tried.
'Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God' (1 John 4:1). Tell me, what does this spirit tell you of Christ, the Son of God?
@@Mic1904 As I said, they have never pulled me away from anyone. Christ included. Though you may be convinced they are a demonic presence, (I would expect nothing else from most Christians) then if they are a demon, they really suck at it considering they have pushed me closer to God. You may ask how I know that, and it is because I have grown closer to others. If I was wracked with the spirit of Satan, I would be aggressive and destructive towards those who act such towards me, but I know a new kind of forgiveness. I hold no hate in my heart for anyone. That is how I know. I do not follow the Bible, but that is only because I do not trust it to be Godly. The text was written by humans, and even if it was originally gospel truth, it has had centuries of translations and distortions that may have warped that. Through my experience, true awakening to love is experienced through connection to the world, to nature, to life, to see the love and beauty in all things. There is nothing Satanic in that.
@@doritoschnitzel7823 How is Liberalism not compatible with Christendom?
Liberalism places "Freedom" highest, resulting in the french liberal Philospher Rousseau's Belief that Men should be free from Society.
He wrote that Man should be like an Animal in Paradise, eating when hungry, breeding when with one of the other Sex etc.
He believed Hierarchies to be wrong, for they can be Barriers to Freedom.
According to Christendom, the Family is a Microcosm of the Kingdom, which is a Microcosm of the Relationship between God and Creation;
and so, because God is defined as good, Hierarchy is good; more below.
The word "King" is actually forshortened "Kin-ing;" it means "Him from our Kin (Family)."
In Families, it is traditional for the Father (the word "father" means defender) to be the religious Leader. (Abraham, for example.)
Among Pacific Island Tribes are many Chiefs, with each Chief representing his Village as he worships and performs traditional Sacrifices;
the Chief is the Village's Father.
And these Chiefdoms were once found in Europe, where they later evolved into larger Kingdoms; the King is the Kingdom's Father.
In the ancient Form of the indian Caste System, there were three Castes: Priests at the Top, Warriors in the Middle and Peasants at the Bottom:
the King, being the overall Leader, was Part of the Priest Caste.
The roman Emperor was also Pontifex Maximus, a religious Leader; there was also a Cult that worshipped him.
The highest Leader of the Roman Catholic Church is also called Pontifex Maximus, and he is also the King of the Papal State/Vatican City.
The British King is head of the Church of England, and is the "Defender of the Faith."
The old english Kings claimed descent from Woden, King of the Gods.
Many Germanic Kings during the Dark Ages created Bracteates, Medallions that depicted a King,
sometimes with Bird-shaped Hair (showing an Aspect of Woden), or with a God guiding a Spear held in his Hand.
The old norwegian Kings claimed descent from Ing, a God.
The japanese Emperors claimed descent from the solar Goddess.
The chinese Emperor was often called "Son of Heaven."
The korean King gave Worship to the chinese Emperor, who then passed Worship to Ancestors who are in Heaven.
"When a man tells you that he knows the exact truth about anything you are safe in inferring that he is an inexact man." ~ Bertrand Russell
sounds like a coward to me, ngl.
Absolutely amazing conversation! Keep up the great work brother.
Fantastic interview! Loved it! ❤️💙
16:33 is exactly why I remain in the Episcopal Church.
I really like the work your doing, it has helped me a lot.
I think it’s best to concentrate on a few denominations and those that aren’t too far gone. Oddly enough the English Anglican Church went off the rails so hard. I think new need to pick and choose our battles. As even the Catholic Church seems up for grabs
27:27 No. Anyone who gives communion or performs a baptism in the name of the Lord is being guided by the Holy Spirit, whether they're in a tent with a few buddies or in a giant cathedral. We must not be discouraging people from doing this just because they're not part of a historic church, for "whoever is not against us is for us." (Mark 9:38-41)
Yeah, that part rubbed me the wrong way tbh
@@portraitofman2063 Um, this isn't about someone just "saying or feeling" they have the spirit, this is about baptism and communion being given in the name of the Lord to His people. Trinitarian baptism is valid regardless of where it's done (even Rome would acknowledge this) and communion given in His name is very much valid as long as the person distributing it is a genuine preacher of the gospel. As OP and Scripture says, "Whoever is not against us is for us."
No wrong buddy!
How does the Spirit lead? Answer. Always through the Word! Read your Bible and see who has authority to handle the Sacraments.
Surely you have a low view of the Church to proclaim that anyone can give communion.
What about the solemn warnings given to those who participate unworthily?
It is the duty of Elders to guard the table of the Lord, and not a casual 'lets do this event!'
@@portraitofman2063 Acts 1:20-26 disproves "apostolic succession" one must have walked with Jesus from his Baptism until his Accension to qualify.
20 For it is written in the book of Psalms, Let his habitation be desolate, and let no man dwell therein: and his bishoprick let another take. **21 Wherefore of these men which have companied with us all the time that the Lord Jesus went in and out among us, 22 beginning from the baptism of John, unto that same day that he was taken up from us, must one be ordained to be a witness with us of his resurrection.**
23 And they appointed two, Joseph called Barsabas, who was surnamed Justus, and Matthias. 24 And they prayed, and said, Thou, Lord, which knowest the hearts of all men, shew whether of these two thou hast chosen, 25 that he may take part of this ministry and apostleship, from which Judas by transgression fell, that he might go to his own place. 26 And they gave forth their lots; and the lot fell upon Matthias; and he was numbered with the eleven apostles.
@DrGero15 that's the qualifications for being an apostle... not apostolic succession... just wow
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B RUH This is an amazing get of an interview. I haven't watched it yet but what a wonderful thing to see.
you are my new favorite channel !!! keep up the good work !!!
Christ is lord.
2 Timothy 4:7 I have fought the good fight, I have finished the race, I have kept the faith.
United historical confessional churches vs the United progressive churches? That’s one way to roll back denominational splits and bring back church unity. I’d be here for it.
God bless 🇺🇸 🇬🇧
The Anglican Church of the past was solidly Calvinistic. As with the Lutheran Church, they drifted into Arminianism and forgot their roots. The early Baptist movement was also deeply Calvinistic, and we are slowly moving back to a majority of the denomination.
Church of England-Continuing and the Evangelical Connexion of the Anglican Mission in England are still 5 point Calvinist (Bible Believing) under the 39 Articles and the 1646 Westminster Confession of Faith, so there are still some Anglicans that Reject the *Damnable Heresy* (as Declared at the 1619 Synod of Dort) of Arminian - Papacist- Pelagianism, and hold steadfast to the Biblical truth of the 5 Points of Grace, we are just in a minority sadly.
Love and Peace.
LETS GOOOOO! Calvin is an awesome dude.
Brilliant conversation. Thank you.
Calvin is such a light in the darkness today. On biblical manhood, you need to listen to Voddies Bauchum.
'Hobgoblin nor foul fiend shall daunt his spirit' was the original version of Bunyan hymn. It has been replaced with 'Since Lord thou doth defend us by thy Spirit'. This sums up the feminisation of the church. No longer an proactive aggressive approach against the enemy but a defensive one.
effeminacy doesn't mean you are feminine. it is worse, it means a man lacks masculinity.
men can neer be feminine, and women can never trly be masculine. we can only lack the virtues we ought to have, never able to attain the true opposites.
Lol sounds like they just didn't want to get tagged with having a monster from 5e on a religious hymn. Kinda silly.
Rev. Calvin is excellent!
He’s a far-right, hate-stoking nutjob
I pray Jesus visits you in the night for your commissioning to take revival into the earth. Get Ready
Great conversation!
Love your content, Zoomer. Let us pray that Rev. Robinson can lead the Church of England to the path of good, truth, and beauty.
It seems that Calvin Robinson does not fully back the Reconquista.
He wants the denominations to return to Rome. He’s said so in interviews before.
Bro absolutely destroyed zoomer at the end by saying all other Protestant denominations shouldn’t exist anymore.
But for real, I would totally subscribe to a podcast of zoomer interviewing pastors from every denomination
that made me laugh. Gotta love Robinson even if I disagree with him
The Church of England being the State Church is probably what has saved most of its churches, but is also its downfall, it cannot diverge in any meaningful way from modern political whims and its leadership is dictated by party politics.
The only way it can be saved is with separation of Church and State, perhaps with a symbolic continuation of unity between Church and Crown, but with no representatives in the House of Lords or any real influence either on politics or from politics. That, along with giving the global Anglican Communion a larger say in who is elected to the Archbishopric of Canterbury, could facilitate a return to orthodoxy.
Thanks God I'm catholic 🇻🇦☦️👈🏼
Thank you for this amazing discussions. You should do more like this.
Mr. Calvin Robinson makes me want to convert to Catholic, Amen.
We’d love to have you!
Have you ever spoken to Bruce Gore? I know he is a real reformed man from within the PCUSA and was just wondering if you had ever talked to him.
I’d like to!
Zoomer, PLEASE reach out to Bishop Robert Barron. I’d love to see you guys have a discussion.
Eastern Orthodoxy is the answer! Wake up, folks!
Great interview on an interesting topic. We need to find a way to unite around christ despite our differences. That's the only way we can counter the craziness going on in our churches. Sparkle creed? That's crazy lol
I think I'd push back on the idea that churches should be a certain aesthetic. Is it nice when they are? For sure. But I think it's the least important by far out of Goodness, Truth and Beauty. It's a good reflection of God's being, but I'd rather be worshipping in a tent, rather than miss out on the other two.
You also have the problem of beauty being completely subjective, whereas the other two things are not. Some people find Baroque and ornamental architecture beautiful, but others find beauty in a lot more simple designs. Who creates more beautiful works? Rembrandt, Monet or Van Gogh? You can only answer that as a subjective opinion. I think we can all agree that a converted warehouse church building is never going to be beautiful, but I'd still highlight the subjectivity of beauty.
And you never find anywhere in scripture that gives any reference to how church buildings should look (churches, not the very specific description of the temples in Jerusalem for instance). Oftentimes for the early churches, it was just somebody's house.
Is beauty important? Yes.
Should we strive to make beautiful things to point towards God? Yes.
What is a church's main concern? If it's the building over the people in it, they are doing something wrong.
Beauty cannot be completely subjective if God created it. Traditionally, Christianity has believed in objective physical beauty. Beauty being purely subjective is a modernist lie
@@redeemedzoomer6053 It's an interesting topic!
I'd like to rephrase my view on subjectivity. I don't think there is total subjectivity in beauty. After all, we can agree that an athletic, well groomed person looks better than an unfit, overweight person who hasn't groomed in months.
However so much of architecture and style IS very subjective. Some find Scandinavian minimalism beautiful, and others find a church decked out in gold really gaudy. Subjective.
Where does it say in scripture that a church should be a physically beautiful building? As far as I can tell, the Bible says nothing on how christian churches should and shouldn't look from a physical perspective. Jesus and the apostles seem far more concerned with correct teaching and acting in accordance with out faith. Please do correct me if you have an example though!
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I'd like to put forward this verse for consideration:
1 Peter 3:3-5 - "Do not let your adorning be external-the braiding of hair and the putting on of gold jewellery, or the clothing you wear- but let your adorning be the hidden person of the heart with the imperishable beauty of a gentle and quiet spirit, which in God’s sight is very precious." Yes, this verse is about enhancing personal beauty through accessorising, but I don't think it's too much of a stretch to also apply this to our churches as well. The physical beauty pales into comparison compared to the important things. Teaching the word of God faithfully, celebrating Jesus' life, death and resurrection together and meeting regularly for fellowship.
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I'm not against beautiful churches, quite the opposite in fact! We already have far too many bland, uninspired buildings as it is.
What I am pushing back on is the idea that physical beauty is as important as is stated in the video, and you'd need some evidence from the Bible to assert that.
@@redeemedzoomer6053should the churches be painted Bone or Pearl white? Which is the more "objectively" beautiful option?
Also how can beauty not be subjective if God created it? Would that not mean NOTHING can be subjective, since God made everything?
Can I not decide if I find broccoli or carrots more delicious because that's a subjective rating of God's creation?
Such simple pitfalls are the doom of your brand of ideology.
Very very good talk.
I’m sure I’d be a more liberal Christian than you two (I’m conservative for an ELCA Lutheran but definitely too liberal for Evangelicals), but I’m MUCH closer to both of you than I am to these aptly named wolves in sheep clothing! I think it’d be incredibly productive to separate theologically liberal/moderate people who are still genuine Christians from these TRUE heretics in some Mainline churches. Theological liberalism might be believing in evolution, but it’s NOT denying the virgin birth or resurrection. It might mean being more tolerant of gay lifestyles, but it is NOT saying crazy stuff like God has gender pronouns. Most Mainliners are NOWHERE near as liberal as the freak shows in leadership of our once proud denominations!
To better understand the orthodox/liberal divide, I recommend you read Christianity and Liberalism by Machen.
It is 100 years old, but could have been written yesterday.
Everything sacramental is Catholic!
Brothers and sisters, please come to the light
The door is always open for you in the One True Orthodox Church. The Holy Spirit has stayed with us for almost 2000 years ❤☦️
I'm a staunch atheist and leftist, however I find it fascinating to see how the religious right thinks and you consistently give well thought out points and videos. So while I may not agree, you have my respect in that regard. Continue the good work👍
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❤ what an interesting inspirational man, Calvin Robinson is. I am impressed
I may not agree with you on everything but this is a great interview with Fr. Robinson.
Two of the top rising christian commentators
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Can you get an interview with Ryan Reeves, from Gordon Conwell Seminary?
I'd love to
The solution to corrupt Bishops that are the “gate keepers” is to Pray an imprecatory Psalm, such as Psalm 5.
2 of my favorite online Christians getting together to talk. Very nice
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Every single comment is about unity, support and excitement for this interview and for the channel. Every single one. What other UA-cam community can say that? Lol
I was UMC but left because of its dramatic shift to apostasy. I’m now ACNA. I should’ve seen the feminization of the UMC when the bishops removed Onward Christian Soldiers from the hymnal.
retreatism
@@redeemedzoomer6053 probably. How do you address the issue, though, of a portion of tithes/offerings going to the national office? I know that you’ve faced this issue in the PCISA.
I really reccoment Father Josiah Trenham for a future interview for an orthodox perspective on the crysis of modernism in Church, masculinity, the lgbtqxyzp+ situation, etc.
I’m here from Isaiah Salvidars channel. Watched your Bible video. WOW
Redemeee Zoomer looks exactly like i thought he'd look
Honestly, a nice change from the surprising face reveals.
Strength in commonalities!! Beautiful concept! Why is the church picking at every tiny specific of a congregation? The enemy is too large for us to be quibbling over trivialities! And the consequences too dire!
Ephesians 6:10-13🗡️
The only thing I really have in the entire world is a church to go to. Unfortunately my conscience turns me away from it now
what do you think about Pastor Steven Anderson?
Prayers for the Zoomers and their religious battles.
My main issue is the assertion that Lutheranism isn’t one of the big three, with the Anglican Church being there instead. The Lutheran church was the original Protestant Church and holds the strongest to the head of the Protestant movement, being Luther himself. The Lutheran church, at least confessional Lutherans, also have a book of confessions that we hold to which allows for strong uniformity within Confessional Lutheranism. That uniformity is good on its own but also allows for a clear statement of our beliefs and an easy way to distinguish if a church is actually Lutheran. Going back to our history, it’s hard to give up 500+ years of history and theology simply in the name of uniformity. Overall, I really enjoyed the video and though many great points were made but do think if there is such a thing as the “big 3” it is at least somewhat biased to put the Anglican Church above the Lutheran church. God bless you and thank you for your push against liberal Christianity.
I'm going to jump in and say that, while this personally isn't my own view, the traditional Anglo-Catholic view is coming at this matter from a different perspective and looks more like the following: for an Anglo-Catholic, they believe the 'Anglican' church didn't merely start as a distinct identity with Henry VIII and the Reformation, but is in fact simply the unbroken continuation of the Ancient British and Celtic Christianity of the British Isles, of Augustine of Canterbury (c.597) and earlier. Therefore, they see Rome, Constantinople and Canterbury as the natural three historic centres of the three historic 'strands' of ancient Christendom (Roman, Eastern and Anglo). And, in fairness to them, the Anglican Communion (and that's not even including those splinters, like the one Calvin belongs to) is indeed numerically the third largest Christian communion after the Catholic and Orthodox communions. Now, you don't need to agree with any of this take, but you can see how this take is less about belittling or overlooking Lutherans (nor is it even really looking at it through the lens of Anglicans as Protestants, necessarily) and is simply coming at the matter from a different angle. God bless.
@@Mic1904 thanks for the reply, this explanation helps me see where he is coming from. Though I do still think him excluding Lutherans is a little unfair given my previous explanation. As in a similar way Lutherans, despite the name, don’t see our tradition as starting with Luther but rather a continuation of the true Catholic Church. A great book about that aspect being “the conservative reformation”. That being said, it is a sadly common trend for us to be overlooked and forgotten. God Bless
I'm not sure that its a competition. Who cares if your "number 1" or ranked 17th... surely the most important thing is your Christian faith and being at peace with that. The rest, ranking's and so on becomes ego-centric perhaps.