I gotta say, your videos got me back into studying theology and got me back into church. I am Baptist. I have researched theology in the past and I went to church almost every single Sunday, but I married an agnostic, and that has caused me to stop going to church and stopped studying God's Word. I do not blame my husband for that. I blame myself because my mindset turned into "I do still believe in God and my husband's beliefs can not change that or affect my faith." That was sorta true. I never stopped believing in God, but I stopped worshipping Him. I first stopped going to church. Part of that was because we moved and I would need to find a new church home. I started looking at first, but then just stopped. I then stopped reading my Bible. It has a spot in a drawer by my bed and I opened that drawer less and less until I just stopped completely. After a while, I was shaken because I realized I stopped praying. Being married to an agnostic, I started to forget about God, because there were no more reminders of Him in our household. My Bible was put away in a drawer. I could not see it. I stopped wearing my cross necklace. My husband had no interest in going to church or talking about God of course so any effort was completely on me, and I just stopped making the effort. Every once in a while I would be convicted, because I am saved and I believe once you are saved you can not lose your salvation, and I would pull out my Bible again for one day, or we would go to church on Easter, or I would pray on my way to work. The smallest of efforts really, but it was not true devotion at all. Then a couple of weeks ago I came across your History of the Church video, and then watched your Theology video and something about that just clicked with me. I love history and I love studying theology. I already knew all that stuff in the videos, but them being explained in that way was like relearning it all over again. I realized I missed learning and growing as a person and a Christian. It made me crave being back in that church setting. This last Easter I found my cross necklace that my mother gave me when I turn 13 and I went to church with my husband. This is the reason why I say my disconnect with God is 100% my own doing. My husband has always been supportive of my faith. When I said "I want to go to church." He would come with me. Only ever complained if it was an early service and he wanted to sleep in that day, but he would still go. He never looked down on me for my beliefs. He just never encouraged going if I wasn't the one who brought it up. Although I hope and I do pray that my husband will find his way back to God, I know that I need to focus on my own relationship with God and not let myself forget about Him. Be that example to my husband. So thank you for your videos. I've also watched your video on how you came to be a Christian and that testimony was inspiring.
@@redeemedzoomer6053 what do you think of Origen of Alexandria and the Origenist crisis? Could you maybe make a video on it if you haven't/want to? ❤️☦️
As a Protestant I respect my Catholic and Orthodox brothers and sisters even though we may not have always aligned on how we glorify God. I also want to thank you for your informative video to help me understand and perhaps help those who have fallen from the teaching of being a Christian. Stay safe and God bless.
I'm always happy to see Protestants who firmly disagree with Catholicism (and Orthodoxy) and yet are vocal about affirming them. I grew up being told Catholicism was demonic, and although I have many disagreements with Rome, I have passionately come to disagree with this notion also.
I'm happy that you are understanding like that a lot of the time in the internet I have to see some radical anti catholic protestants talking down to us that are catholic in comment sections
@@Jadanbr And what's worse, then the radical Catholic extremists get involved and it just becomes one big d%(% measuring competition between a bunch of intolerant know-it-alls! As a Catholic, I really don't get why it would be so hard for us to all just get along as Christians...
@@phillipcummings3518 I wouldn't say unbiased, because a lot of this series is just him giving his opinion, I'd say it's more that he's good at representing the subject and other people's points of view fairly.
Christian Church / Church of Christ minister here. I appreciate your clarification in this video. I can see where your caution comes from, especially in our practice of not making creeds. (However, most of our churches do have statements of faith available that act like a creed). I would like to address a few concerns you had about us coming out of the Restorationist movements and the 2nd Great Awakening: 1. Our founders did not believe that Christianity was lost. They saw the many denominations as the church divided. Jesus prayed for unity in John 17. Some things that divide the church are denominational names, church traditions and man-made creeds. The original leaders’ goal was to find unity among all denominations rooted in the essentials of the faith. That’s why we are called Christians only. 2. Each of our churches is autonomous, governed by the local body of elders (like the first century church). That is why we don’t have a “denominational stance” - we technically aren’t a denomination. While we share a common heritage and consider other Christian Churches / Churches of Christ to be brothers, the shepherding of each individual flock is the responsibility of the local elders. So I can understand your question “how do I know that your church is speaking for other Churches of Christ?” In a sense, we aren’t speaking for those other churches. We share the same principles, but there is not a governing body that determines how each congregation operates. In conclusion, I think all of the Christian Churches / Churches of Christ would agree with the Nicene Creed, but are only hesitant to adopt any official creeds because of the core belief that man-made creeds have the potential to cause division in the church.
Ah yes exclusively worshipping the Bible, just like the first century churches, who didn’t even have all the books of the New Testament yet…I grew up with a great Church of Christ friend and it certainly fascinated me and she was very resolute and thus very inspiring in her faith but that was always a point I didn’t understand lol
@@SaltUnknownyt The above poseter does a good Job at clarifying. We are not against the contents of the creeds, just in creeds themselves, because our goal is unity based on scripture alone. The only creed we accept is the bible. If the Nicaean or any other creed says what the bible says. Then we agree. It is easier to say the bible says something then a group of men at a meeting. They may be right, but what makes them right is that they are agreeing with the bible.
I know a pastor of a Church of Christ and he says that unless the name of your church is "Church of Christ" then you won't go to weapon. It seems he puts more emphasis on the name of the church rather than anything the church preaches. And if you disagree on anything then you are a heretic. Is that a common view of the Church of Christ
when you have a capitalistic authoritarian dystopian government as your basis of a nation, you get a LOT of f*cked up things rise up, and unfortunately a lot of countries still look up to South Korea, it's actually insanely funny
As a member of the SDA I can try to explain a few things, however I am no expert. Our "trinity" is well... the Trinity. With one God existing as three coequal, coeternal, consubstantial divine persons. God the Father, God the Son (Jesus Christ) and God the Holy Spirit, exist as three distinct persons sharing one essence/substance/nature. The view of annihilationism comes from our intreptation of the Bible and some theology due a few things which I will try to explain the best way I can. 1. We see the body, mind and "soul" as three indivisible things that can't exist without the other. Take one out of the equation and you don't have a human being anymore; 2. Due to that belive it becomes hard to see a non-corporeal soul on either Hell, Heaven or purgatory (which we also don't belive exists). People are just in unconscious state where they learn nothing, know nothing and are truly incapable of doing anything; 3. When the Serpent lied ( "surely you won't die" ) to Eve we see that as a full on lie. If a person continues as a conscious being after death with all its previous knowledge and the ability to learn new things as if they are still alive, plus sometimes even interact with the world, it's quite hard to say that person is well... dead. So when when death comes to people they are indeed and truly dead; 4. As I am sure many have heard atheists say that a loving God wouldn't eternally torture his children with fire and brimstone. We agree with that; 5. We belive that eventually God will utterly destroy evil and if evil still exists somewhere even if contained in a place (like Hell) then it still exists. 6. People will only go to Heaven after they either are A (resurrected but saved) or B (alive but saved) on the Apocalypse; 7. People who aren't saved will be destroyed in the end, they will be gone. No eternal hellfire or anything they are gone. Our view of Ellen G. White is that she is one of our church fathers (in this case mother) and a prophetess. However by her own words if we perceive a conflict between her words and the Bible we should choose the Bible. The young earth creationism is a big problem yes, however a the educated members who belive in that say it's less that everything is 6000 thousand years old but rather the world as we know it is that age.
@@EdoKu18 Hello, nice seeing others out here. Plus with the exception of a few things (Ellen G. White, Investigative Judgement and keeping the Sabbath in Saturday) we are not that different from other Evangelical Protestant denominations.
@@stefanofialho5484 I agree, in the 70's and 60's scholars had this same debate and was already settled that SDA Church was just another Protestant church. And recently I'm noticing this debate to arise once again, it seems like after some years it all starts over again and again, even though it is settled.
@@Lollololplolpllplpl If I remember correctly (probably not) our theology says that "the lake of fire" will only be used in end times to fully destroy evil. A permanent consequence for sinners that choose not to repent rather than a permanent punishment.
I think the non-denom example more so shows how important it is to have a plurality of elders rather than one “head pastor” or else people follow the pastor rather then the Word itself.
Yeah, we in the Church of Christ try to follow the Biblical example of what the early church did and you can see that it was ruled by a plurality of elders.
I go to a Non-denom church does have a Lead Pastor, however we do have a Board of Elders that is above him and he allows the other pastors, such as the Next Gen Pastor (Admin over youth and kids) and Connections Pastor, speak fairly often.
A number of elders is preferable, but not a total defence against error. The early Christian congregation used a number of elders but fell into error almost immediately, even in the Bible itself the apostles had to defend against judaisers, a sorceress and Gnostics, and it got worse after the last apostle died.
I go to a non-denominational church, and we too have a board of elders. Which has saved us trouble when we had to kick out a pastor for immoral behavior.
I am a progressive agnostic, and this is one of my default channels for Christian and Christ related information- I appreciate the perspective greatly, despite my different viewpoints.
I grew up Baptist and despite growing up in the church I couldn't say with all certainty that I believe Jesus to be the Christ. They're kind people with a sense of integrity and compassion but I simply could not accept that Jesus was and is the Messsiah of the Jews. As much as Christianty is about morals and our lives here on Earth and how we behave with God and humanity so many people go to church for the morals and bible study and ignore what Christ /messiah would mean to the Jews. Even Messianic Jews existing doesn't convince me even if it once did give me joy to know that some Jews accept Christ. If I was going to be honest with myself I had to look into why historically Jews rejected Jesus as their messiah. Their messiah is supposed to have all nations turn to God and worship only him without proselytizing or evangelizing. All nations will become monotheistic following the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob at his arrival. And as much as I like his parables, Jesus didn't make that happen. And even if Jesus died excruciatngly and for mankind that would still not be what makes him Messiah. And I'm sure if Jesus existed he was a decent guy but I could never call him God without feeling like an idolator. I could believe he was a righteous man but I could never believe he was divine and I could come to terms that he may have died a painful death. But the passion of the Christ, his compassion with humanity, and suffering could not convince me that he is King of the Jews. I could feel pity but not acceptance of him being the Christ. I feel as though a lot of people convert to Chrstianity because "look what Christ did for you, he died for humanity, because God sent him so". That he cares. When tat's not what it would take to convince a Jew that they judged him too quickly. And I believe wholeheartedly that most pastors, priests, bisops, presbyters, believe what they teach and aren't knowingly tricking people. I believe that they believe it's the truth just as much as I truly know I believed when I was 12-15. I don't what it was. If it was the Holy Spirit or not but I believe with conviction that I did once truly believe and that my faith was sincere when I held it. But as someone born into a Baptist church a false and insincere profession that Jesus is the Christ is worse than openly rejecting him. At least according to me it is. I'm not really sure what Baptist churches would say about that but the Baptist church has such limited authority over it's congregation that it doesn't really matter. We do tend to be very individualistic and because of that I cannot say with all sincerity and integrity, even between just me and God, that I believe. I rather not pretend to be a Christian and lie for the sake of my parents, my church, or myself. Hypocrisy hurts more than reputation and family. I cannot teach or preach what I do not believe. It would be dishonest to both me and God. And I'm not saying only Baptists can be this critical about the individual professing their belief or rejecting it. I'm just saying that I don't think anyone can ever believe in something if they aren't given the option to reject it and since Baptists don't do baby baptisms there is a stronger sense of getting baptized because you chose for yourself that you want to do it and not simply by obligation or expectation. Although this "choice" easily gets countered if you're born into the religion and not converted since your parents hope and expect you to accept Christ just as much as they do. Is it really that personal of a choice if you feel you may disappoint or concern your parents? Anyway, that's my Jesus Christ crisis. Good day!
Catholic here. I have been loving your videos and explanations about everything. I just wanted to thank you for these informative videos and can't wait for more !!
zoomer historian dropped the ball on this one, plus with the false equivalence of annihilation with atheist view of annihilation Look Zoomer. If you are reading this. It is *clearly* written. John 3:16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should NOT PERISH but have EVERLASTING life. The whole spiel he had on SDA was so half-hearted it's ridiculous.
It's complete nonsense logically speaking. Come on. God is love. He would not damn sinners to eternal torture. That is not love. Plus eternal torture means eternal life because clearly they have to live to be experiencing that pain.
@@epsilon3821I don't relish the thought of eternal hell. But I will not die saying that Christ was a liar. Because that is what you call him when you say eternal hell is not real when Jesus, Paul, Peter, James, Jude and John all clearly teach an eternal hell. Depart from me into the eternal fire prepared for the Devil and his angels. If you can't understand those plain words, I don't know what else to say. But call Christ a liar I won't.
@@tomy8339 Yes, eternal fire. The lake of fire. God's love is an eternal fire that BURNS AWAY all sins. That does not prove that sin will continue to exist that the devil will live burning forever in that fire. It is written in revelation that all sinners will be no more. You are misinterpreting Christ's words.
Even in non-denominational churches or other congregational style evangelical churches, it's not always just up to the pastor, there is usually a board or group of elders that oversee the pastor. Of course this varies wildly from one church to another
I went to a Non Denom where it was discovered the Pastor was up to some sinful shenanigans. The Elders quickly relieved him of his role. I have heard stories though of churches splitting over situations like that. So I can 100% appreciate where the poster is coming from talking about with following pastors.
I'm a nondenominational christian who attends baptist church and works in a catholic school, and I, interestingly, have the opposite mindset of what you described nondenominationals as. Instead of picking a single priest or pastor to follow, I instead take insight from many different teachers but ultimately strive to follow Jesus. I fear that I may fall in the trap of following a single denominational leader or a set of preferences if I commit to a denomination. I want to serve any true church denomination that I can so that they can fulfill their mission for God. It is a very interesting take on non-denominationalism that I never thought about. I enjoyed the video very much!
This is also how I also see my faith in a non-denominational church. I have never seen my pastor as absolute authority, just as a helpful teacher of the word of God who is one of many people who I can learn from. I thoroughly enjoy this man's YT videos and learn a lot, but I do notice his habit of making sweeping generalizations about different Christian groups that I find to be rooted in bias/personal experience.
its cool to see SDA representation! I am a seventh day adventist and i have to be honest, in a lot more liberal leaning SDA churches the thoughts or validity of Ellen G White is held as trivial information and/or more as “advice” and less gospel. I myself think this way, and the only real way to pick me out of a crowd as an SDA is that I go to church on Saturday.
Yeah I think especially in the younger generations we tend not to hold her in such high regard. There was a major swing to Fundamentalism back in the 60's where they really tried to drive hard her importance which is why a lot of SDA boomers can't stop talking about her. If you check the Adventist History Podcast, they break it down very well.
i dont get it, why would anyone think sabbat is not saturday?? its in the 10 commandments of any word-to-word translated bible. sabbat is the 7th day after he created everything where he rested, thats why its the saturday. if some folks want to worship the resurrection of jesus on sunday, thats fine. you can do both, worship sabbat on saturday and worship resurrection on sunday. didnt jesus himself do the sabbat? in my understanding you can even go to mass on sunday if you still worship and respect the sabbat on saturday. i do not even understand how this is a discussion.
He represented us as borderline heretical, in what shape or form is that good thing? And he represented us poorly, you can tell that he didn't research the views of the SDA. We literally have an official website. Keep in mind the protestant reformers were called "heretics" and were watching a protestant side with the Catholic Church to call other protestant heretics while ignoring the Catholic Church. It's hypocrisy! Don't try to be accepted by the world, we Adventist are different in many points of scripture, not just about the Sabbath. Your " liberal" Adventist Church sounds like an Apostasy, if you believe we're only different by going to church on a Saturday... If you buckle under lying criticisms like this, then how will you stand for Jesus?
Adventist here, just a quick point we do believe in the trinity and accept the Nicene Creed. though in the early history of the church it was rejected by pioneers like James White, (Ellen's Husband) Who initially felt it was too Catholic. as the Church was looking for it's footing there was a lot of weighing where the influences that made up the current church came from. If you want more info on what we define as The Trinity Check the 28 Fundamental Beliefs, it's the clearest statement of SDA beliefs. Keep making great vids and cheers.
@@mmtoss6530the 28 fundamental beliefs is created to avoid confusion among SDA churches. Please avoid basing off word of mouth as any person in any community that claim anything otherwise that contradicts the core doctrines of their group.
It’s interesting to hear about why some may think Church of Christ is suspicious. Personally, I spent my whole life drifting between churches due to my family moving a lot, but found out about CoC when I started going to a Christian college that was CoC. Honestly the worst thing I can say about it is that can make people uncomfortable because they teach (or at least the people in my college teach) a ton about the historic context on the Bible as they believe that the authors of the whole Bible weren’t writing explicitly for us gentiles reading the Bible 2000 years later. Like the letters of Paul weren’t meant to be addressed to every church everywhere but were first written to give guidance to the specific churches with the specific problems they were having. Regardless of that though, it is of upmost importance to still follow what Paul wrote about because it’s extremely important teaching and it’s part of the Bible which gives it ultimate authority as the Word. I don’t believe it undermines the Bible to know the historic setting that it was written in but I can understand how it can be a unsettling thing to say that Paul’a letters, as an example, were not tailor made to solve problems of the modern person but were designed to be letters to benefit the audience that would read or listen to the letters at the time of Paul’s life. Despite that, we still find immense value in them as they still teachings of God as well as his will combined with the fact that God never changes and is eternal. I can also confirm that they believe in the trinity in a traditional sense. They believe in the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit and believe that all three are divine with Jesus being both divine and man. I hope I didn’t make things too confusing. I just wanted to make a statement as someone who just started going to CoC after spending my life going to a Catholic high school with mass every Wednesday and going to dozens of different churches without really being raised in the teachings of one particular denomination. Just thought I might have been able to provide decent insight.
They're right. The Bible wasn't written for our times. But The Holy Text was. Good Wizard (G-d for short) says in Austin 3:19 "G-d Most High in his unmatched wisdom revealed his magic truths in an age of mass communication so no one has to get His Word second-or-third-hand." This revelation is happening in our time because there are enough ppl familiar with the magcial savior Harry Potter and ready to receive their scholarships to Hogwarts paid for by his victory over Voldmeort.
The biggest problem with CoC is that they believe in both believer's baptism and baptismal regeneration, so that if a baptism is performed on an unbeliever it is invalid. This flies in the face of 1 John 5:13 where the assurance of salvation is based on present not past faith. Even worse, some in the CoC even teach that if you believe your sins are forgiven before baptism then your baptism is invalid. So there is an ecumenical problem in general where one side views the other side as unbelievers. And apparently they believe you can sin away your salvation (rather than only by apostasy) so evangelicals will usually accuse them of teaching works.
@@maxxiong Yes, most Churches of Christ (I say most because it's not a unified denomination, they are just autonomous congregations that try to go strictly by the Bible and nothing else) believe that if a baptism is performed on an unbeliever it is invalid. I don't see how this contradicts 1 John 5:13? We believe that if you believe, repent, confess, and are baptized in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, you will receive the gift of eternal life. I've also never heard of people teaching that if you believe your sins are forgiven before baptism then baptism is invalid. We don't believe everyone else is unbelievers. We just try to go by the only authoritative truth, God's word, the best we can. We don't believe you can sin away your salvation, only if you become unrepentant and stop walking in the light.
@@bliots8369 There are churches of christ that teach one has to believe baptism actually forgives sins to be saved. Bascially the argument from 1 John 5:13 is that assurance is being based on present faith, not past faith. If one affirms both believer's baptism and baptismal regeneration, then the necessary consequence is that assurance also depends on the faith at the point of baptism.
@@maxxiongI grew up in the CoC. It is admittedly difficult to pinpoint what CoC explicitly is due to it being Congregationalist in nature, so each CoC can teach their own message. It’s more of a movement than a denomination. Now, it is possible for a CoC to deviate so far that other CoCs may choose not to recognize them as a fellow CoC. But most are in the same ballpark on most issues. Some will use the nicine creed, some won’t. Some will use it but not call it that in order to fulfill the traditional CoC doctrine of not aligning with formalized creeds as the only, “creed,” is meant to be the Bible itself. My CoC believed baptism only is valid for those mature enough to understand it, so child baptism was not a thing. We believed that salvation could be lost only through apostasy. And we believed salvation through faith but that the best sign that your faith is valid was doing works. It wasn’t the works that saved you but the faith that compelled those works.
I would love a video covering a deep dive into Seventh-Day Adventism. Being raised in the church, father being a pastor, and having family ties all the way up to administration throughout the general conference, I've been presented with satesfying answers to nearly any and every qualm/question I had regarding the church and our beliefs. I would love to hear your thoughts in far more detail and scrutinization.
Lol yeah I kinda laughed at that too. Jesus who was a Jew and attended “church” on Saturday would be a little suspicious in his eyes. I also found it interesting that having a prophetess seems to separate us. Even though we give her less authority than a lot of the other “ Christian” religions give their leaders
Well he only got 20% right on SDA. No Ellen G White never claimed to be a prophetess, only receiving the gift of prophecy in which she doubted so much that she went to get her visions testified by every known pastor in her area, so it was very likely these where of the Holy Spirit. She didnt base it off a failed second coming date, that was William Miller the founder of the millerites and she never based off SDA of of them. They believe in a mix of Annihilationism and torment, where you do suffer to a certain degree before your soul gets quenched into the flames, very scary stuff. So yeah, SDA has the fundamentals down, the Bible is the standard and foundation they base off of everything, and we invite you to come visit if you made it this far reading ❤🙏
@@matthewpauls2498 10 commandments are in the old testament, it is the Mosaic law for Jews which Jesus has already fulfilled. Christians are under the new testament, a new covenant with God and 10 commandments have no bind on us.
@@CYC_JP so then we should kill and commit adultery? We should lie and have other Gods now? If we are living under a new covenant it does t mean God’s first covenant is destroyed. Jesus kept the 10 commandments while living on earth. He left that example to us. So yes, The Sabbath, 4th commandment is still relevant. God never changed his Holy Day. 6 days of creation, 7th day of rest. It has always been since the beginning of time. God never threw them out when Jesus came. It’s just completely false to think that the 10 commandments are nothing. They won’t give you salvation, obviously, but it is still the word of God, and never did he explicitly say they were done with. Again I ask, if we no longer keep the 10 commandments, then can I kill, lie, cheat, have other Gods, covet etc. and I will still go to heaven? When we truly follow Christ we follow his example. He followed the 10 commandments out of love and worship. Not for salvation.
As a Witness, I was excited to see us mentioned, although briefly. You are correct, we don't believe in the Trinity. We believe God is the God of the Old Testament (Jehovah). We believe God created Jesus, and then created Earth and mankind WITH Jesus. Our salvation though is still through Jesus sacrificing himself for our sins. We believe Jesus is King in heaven, but Jehovah is still the Father. I do like your videos, keep them up! I will accept the heretic title and continue watching xD
Thank you for your explanation on church of Christ. While my experience with CoC has thankfully been positive-I’ve never walked into a CoC where the fundamentals of Christianity weren’t preached or practiced-they’re technically non-denominational, and that can cause confusion.
As a member of the church of Christ, I can assure you we simply follow what the Bible says, mostly in a literal way, but some things are obviously metaphorical like that the wine and bread aren’t actually blood and flesh. We believe pretty much everything you’ve listed but we do believe that mainline churches were misled by false prophets, so this we imitate the churches in the book of Acts. Also confessions are done in a different way, we have a thing called D group where we discuss our sins and share Bible verses to help each other grow and repent. The reason we don’t follow the Nicene Creed is that it’s not mentioned in the Bible as a requirement for the church.
I wish all Orthodox Christians a wonderful Pascha. Please Pray for the Orthodox Christians who are being actively persecuted in Ukraine. They are removing monks from monasteries that have been there for 1,000 years. Lord Jesus Christ, have mercy and save us.
One of the reasons the Churches of Christ don't always say the same thing is because each church is autonomous. We don't have a headquarters or a leader like denominations, so the churches sometimes vary depending on where they are in the world, but thankfully, it's mostly over trivial matters. Also, the reason we don't acknowledge the creed is because we don't support following anything but the Bible. We already have the Bible so there is no need for another list of rules when we already have one. Hope this clears some stuff up! Love the video.
I can vouch for this! My husband grew up in a church of Christ and I've been going for a little over 4 years. The one I go to will do things with local congregations (other Churches of Christ) like singing services, but nothing for headquarters or anything like that. A friend of mine came from a different church of Christ and was telling me of some seriously questionable things that his pastor was saying. Unfortunately these churches may have the same name, but some may believe different things. Thankfully, like you said, mostly over trivial things, but sometimes it is over doctrine itself. Be very careful and always look to the Bible to see if they are preaching truth.
Agreed. We don't acknowledge the nicene creed because we don't believe in any human authority and only look to the bible. As it turns out though, the nicene creed is stating pretty obvious teachings of the Bible, so as a result every single church of Christ i have ever walked into (a lot) hit every one of the essential elements consistently, and can name a book, chapter, and verse to back it up.
1. cool there is this many church of Christ members I’ve literally never seen one in public besides Nauvoo and Kirkland. You guys do have a head quarters in independence Missouri i thought?
I was really interested to see Church of Christ on here, but you make some good points. Because we are so heavy on church polity, it really is difficult to ascertain a straight answer on what CoC believes. You’ll find some variation church by church, from one-cup communion to female head covering, wine to grape juice. Having grown up CoC and attended churches across the nation, I feel qualified to state the hard points that define a CoC. As the Church of Christ spawned as the most conservative product of the Restoration Movement, the Restoration Movement was created by Presbyterian ministers, therefore much of the belief system is the same. No creeds: while CoC rejects any creed not found in the Bible itself, because basis of the Nicene creed is scriptural, CoC rigidly adheres to each of its tenets while rejecting the authority of the creed itself. That the CoC doesn’t hold the creeds of 4th century orthodoxies to be holy does not mean you can reject the Trinity or the importance of the Sacraments. You will not find any variation within the CoC on this matter. If a creed is scriptural, it should follow what the CoC does. If the creed is not supported by scripture, no church should follow it. Scripture doesn’t follow the doctrine of a church. The doctrine must follow scripture and nothing else. Communion is administered weekly, freely given, with each judging themself rightly and worthy to receive it in accordance with the synoptic gospels and 1 Corinthians 11. You’ll find some variation, as stated above: some churches pass one cup, most do the standard shot cups. Some use wine, most use grape juice. Otherwise, the importance and format is the same throughout. Baptism is for believers, and is given in conjunction with confession and repentance for the remission of sins, in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. You will find no variation, and from what you’ve put forth I believe we’re on the same page. Other than that, our most famous sticking point is acapella singing. Tbh, there’s less evidence in scripture against it than so many other things, but it’s a hallmark of the CoC. If you see instruments, you’re not in a CoC. We literally split from the Disciples of Christ over it, going as far as to inform the US Census Bureau so they wouldn’t confuse us with them. Idk. It sounds great when lead right. And yeah, rarely you’ll see women practicing head covering. Some churches are for, some against, some have a mix. So far I haven’t seen any huge hardline rifts over it and most are in the standard mainline Protestant “it’s figurative” camp on 1 Cor 11. It’s worth a study. You made a good point about non-denoms being basically whatever the pastor decides. This is another thing you will never find in a CoC, despite lacking any formal authority or creed above the congregational level. There are several reasons for this. Chiefly, the Church of Christ operates off of the same manual as all of Christendom: the Bible. If you’ve got the same manual we do, and you follow it, there is little room for variation (relatively anyway; you get my point). The next is that we reject the concept of a pastor. That is, reject the concept that one man has the authority to direct church doctrine and lead the teaching and preaching of that church. We believe in a plurality of elders (meeting the qualifications in 1 Timothy and Titus). This is at minimum two, but typically three or more men who enforce the doctrine of the church. Under them, deacons are appointed (again, only men meeting 1 Timothy qualifications) as needed to efficiently handle the business of the church (these roles can be anything from finance to outreach, charity, and teaching). In absence of enough qualified men (a very small church typically), doctrine will be enforced by all men democratically instead, again, using just Scripture as the manual, until a plurality of qualified elders can be obtained . Often, the paid preacher or evangelist isn’t an elder, nor are the elders paid by the church. You’ll also, in a healthy church, find that much of the ministry is done by individual members, and sometimes there won’t even be a paid minister at all, as the men of the church each share those tasks as part of their own personal study and growth. It’s also not true that CoC has truly rigid church polity. Every church I’ve been to, nationwide, fraternizes with other CoCs. Most states or regions have lectureships where all nearby churches gather and share teaching, and there are widely accepted CoC schools such is Sunset International Bible Institute. As such, it’s incredibly rare to see a whole congregation fall away despite the lack of formal hierarchy or creed. Anyways, I hope this helped clarify a few things. Kind of a shame we got on the naughty list but I hope I set some things right.
Just a comment, Annihilationism is present in much more than Adventist theology. It was present in the theology of some early Catholic fathers and is still a view held by some protestants in mainline denominations. You see it rarely in Evangelical circles but it's not completely absent there either.
As Mormon I find your videos super fascinating and informative! I’ve got to say though, growing up I would say I was Christian just so I wouldn’t have to explain myself but I guess that term isn’t the most accurate to my case. Appreciate the vids! 😅
It all depends of what you define as “Christian”. With his criteria, Mormons are not Christians, but with a much simpler definition like “follower of Christ” they’re about as Christian as it can get. I like to consider them as sort of cousins in the Christian family. A lot different from the main family, but that doesn’t make them any less valid or correct. In fact, I’d go as far as to say they might be the best representations of Christ in the modern day with how nice and charitable they are, or at least they are in my community.
Mormons are Christians. He keeps saying people are or aren't 'objectively' Christians, or are heretics, but he doesn't get to set that criteria for everyone.
Please do more in depth on Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day saints. I’d love to hear more of what you think because the one point you made about God once being a man is not the bases of our lives. Jesus Christ is the bases of our lives. We are 100% Christian because we follow the teachings of Jesus Christ, the Son of God.
As a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, we do not deny the eternal nature of God. In fact, like God, we are all eternal beings. In our current mortal state, we cannot comprehend the concept of eternity. Heavenly Father set us on this on this earth so that we could learn to become like him. Of course, the only way that is possible is by turning to Christ and following his example. He personally volunteered to come down to this earth, establish His gospel, and then suffer and die for us, so that we could be resurrected and return to live with God again. I know of these things to be true through personal study, prayer, and revelation. I bear this testimony in the name of Jesus Christ. Amen
I pray for you to come to the true church and the true body of Christ. “Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves. By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles?" Matthew 15-16 Please think and investigate about the fruits of your church and compare it to the charity or social impact of Catholicism or Protestantism.
I've gone to Non-Denominational churches/charasmatic type churches my whole life. I appreciate the information on the different denominations. Honestly I had no idea about most apart from Catholisism and Protestanism. I appreciate the work you are doing bringing the truth to people in a way that is informative and easily digestable. Great job! As a note, while the churches Ive gone to never explicitly follow the Nicene or the Apostles creed they have all adhered to them. That being said I will agree and appreciate how you point out the pastor is more important than the traditions. To us that is a feature not a bug. However, the way you explain why you see that as an issue makes sense and I can totally appreciate the sentiment.
Yeah it is interesting. My childhood non denominational believes in the trinity as he states, communion is done seriously every Sunday, and baptism is done in the father spirit and holy ghost. Not sure if that was written in the Bible or the creed I got a lit of studying to do apparently.
I grew up in the same scene and I have started to think Evangelicals(especially charismatic) are the LEAST literate and informed people of all the Christian traditions.
@@joshh1693 Traditions, I 100% agree. However, like I said above they see that as a perk. When I looked up what the poster meant by the sacraments the church he’s I went to take almost all of them seriously, just in a different way. Communion is a very important moment. Baptism is very important, marriage is very important. I feel the NonDenoms (again that I’ve attended) do traditions just in different ways. What I appreciate about this channel and creator is he’s opening my eyes to the fact that you can go to MainLine church and still be a strong Christian. Everyone I knew who went to mainlines were Christian in name alone, so I always wrote those churches off. This is giving me hope. The one video I watched from this guy of infiltrating the mainlines and winning them back was fantastic.
you had mentioned Quakers as a borderline group in the denominations video but they weren’t mentioned here, i’m very curious to know why you put them there as I couldn’t find anything in my own (limited) research that puts them there, and I graduated from a Christian university with Quaker roots so I have a very vested interest in knowing this
Quakerism is hyper sectionalized and there are “nontheist” Quakers. And overall, from what I can determine, Quakers border on being Gnostic at times. Of course that’s just my opinion and I how interpreted it. I’m sure a man of the oats could explain their motivations better than I could. Still good people though.
Quakers don't have a set doctrine, so you can't say any one thing applies to all Quakers. Not just between different congregation, but between different people. We're a lot like Jewish people in that way (whom we have a lot of close ties to). 2 people, 3 opinions.
Before converting to Orthodoxy my first run in with the Nicene Creed was at a Non-Denominational church I visited in a whim. I grew up in a charismatic church, and we really didn’t have creeds or confessions.
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints doesnt necessarily teach that Christianity was gone from the earth, only that the authority of God was taken, meaning people still followed the teachings of Jesus Christ and were in fact Christians, but that the churches that came after the death of the apostles were not by authority of Christ himself. The church teaches however that divine intervention was still happening throughout this period, but that the nicene creed was not itself divine. It is kind of interesting though that a protestant would deny a church's christian identity for claiming that christianity fell at some point, while also acknowledging that the entire movement of protestantism came because someone felt that Catholicism had fallen away from true Christian teachings.
@@sdflsdlfkjgh6637 The Mormons believe in "The Godhead" and that "God the Father", "God the Son", and "God the Holy Ghost" are of a single mind even if they are physically distinct personages. They also teach that Jesus was indeed the God of the Old Testament, acting in the name of His Father with what they refer to as "Divine Investiture". The Mormons are Christians, they're just not Nicene-Creedal Christians. They're also some of the most decent people I've ever met; most of 'em, there are some Born Again Virgin women and scumbags among them but, you'll find that in every congregation.
I’m a Member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints and Just found this video disrespectful, he didn’t bother to do any actual research on the Church and just made claims that are 100% false.
honestly i have deep respect for mormons, they seem to follow their faith much more closely than other christians i see, they have close families and are very tight nit in their communities
I can understand that. I also have great respect for some of the Muslim families I've met, particularly their familial bond, sense of morals, and their hospitality. Unfortunately, still doesn't change that their religion can't save. At a human level, I have great respect for some that I've met.
@@nathanscovell2895could say that same about every religion lol. I was raised a catholic and I could very well call some things cult-like. We had a priest molest several kids in our church and his punishment was only relocation. Who cares how people worship Christ or God, as long as they are nice, is my philosophy nowadays.
I found your channel yesterday when I was literally spending my short time on the internet. Now, here I am listening continuasly your experiences with God, knowledges about the Reform and the Word at all while I'm editing my essay about rights and nursing cares for disabled children. Thank you for what I consider a high quality content and real christianism. P.S.: I was a leftist too in the high school. If I could, I'd erase that period of my life HAHAHA God bless you, and everyone who are reading this comment. If you want to know, I'm from the south of Brazil (sorry for my bad English).
Leftist is not an antonym of Christian you know. The are plenty of leftist Christians. Blame Evangelicals for convincing people religion and politics are intertwined.
"É ele que nos conforta em toda a nossa tribulação, para podermos consolar os que estiverem em qualquer angústia, com a consolação com que nós mesmos somos contemplados por Deus." (2 Coríntios 1:4)
I have a friend who belongs to the Church of Christ. One time she gave me a bulletin from her church, which had teachings within it that really shocked me. It said that it was a sin to praise God with musical instruments - apparently they only sing acapella in those churches - and amazingly, that a person might lose their salvation if they praised God with anything but their own voice. I love this friend of mine who belongs to this church, and I am not criticizing her because she is a wonderful and loving person. But I must say, I find this particular teaching about music bizarre to say the least - I can't imagine why they think someone can go to hell because they played a musical instrument in church.
As a member of the church of christ I can tell you that we don't necessarily believe that participating in instrumental worship is a automatic sentence straight to hell, however we still avoid it. The main reason being that instrumental worship is never directly commanded, only ever singing songs of praise and worship to God. Secondly there is a historical precedent of noninstrumental music being the norm up until around the 1600s. And Lastly we can see such as in the example of Nadab and Abihu in Leviticus 10:1-2 that there are certainly wrong ways to worship God. Even in this small example we can see that worshiping God incorrectly, One exists, and Two has real consequnces. So since instrumental worship is not commanded nor was it common in the early church, it is a good idea to avoid it because it most likely is not from God and if we worship God in a way that he never commanded we could face eternal consequnces.
@@tarpmaster31 Thank you for your explanation, I appreciate that. I guess what really makes me scratch my head about this teaching is the number of times the Old Testament talks about praising God with instruments - some verses actually do sound a bit like commands to me, or at least encouragement. In the Psalms especially, there are so many mentions of instruments - such as Psalm 150:3-5 "Praise him with trumpet sound; praise him with lute and harp! Praise him with tambourine and dance; praise him with strings and pipe! Praise him with sounding cymbals; praise him with loud clashing cymbals!" It sounds to me like God loves to hear any noise joyfully made in His honour. But as I said, I do appreciate you sharing your point of view, it helps me to understand my friend better. God bless.
@@Laura_B__ We don't follow the old testament anymore, we are under the new law. The new testament never mentions anything about instruments in worship, but it DOES mention singing, so we just sing instead of adding instruments.
The church of Christ I attend will make a similar argument (not straight to hell, but they avoid instruments in worship), however at the same time, some women wear head coverings and some don't, and there are arguments for both sides. Yes, there are wrong ways to worship God, but aren't those explicitly listed in the Bible? Something that important would have to be, right? That's one of the teachings that I'm not 100% on board with, but I understand that big "worship bands" have a danger of being all for them and for show rather than glorifying God. There is someone in my church who will play harp in their free time, then on the complete other end of the spectrum, someone who believes that any music with instruments is sinful (because everything must be done for God's glory, therefore xyz) it really confuses me and I get caught up in it rather than glorifying God as I should sometimes. I'm working on getting better
so I’m a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints (and a zoomer), I really appreciate the deference you give to all of our brothers and sisters. We do believe that God must have been mortal at some point, but we don’t think that negates His eternal nature. It’s just that we believe all entities are eternal, and all mankind has divine potential. Before we were mortal, we were born to Him as His spirit children, and we agreed to live mortal lives as part of His plan to one day reunite together again in Heaven as fully fleshed and divine beings. Jesus, the Lord’s only begotten son in the flesh, is central to the plan. He died for our sins and gave us the Atonement, so no matter how faulty and weak we are in mortality we can always ask repent to Him.
I'd agree with some of your problems with Mormonism (I'm Mormon) based upon your criteria. One thing I would say is that the doctrine of God once being man is definitely not something that is preached, I don't know if it once was but we believe God is the same yesterday, today, and forever, and is unchanging. In Alma it says his course is one Eternal Round, and he does not change. Just thought I'd clear that up.
Robert L. Millet, Noel B. Reynolds Joseph Smith taught in April 1844: God himself was once as we are now, and is an exalted man, and sits enthroned in yonder heavens! That is the great secret. If the veil were rent today, and the great God who holds this world in its orbit, and who upholds all worlds and all things by His power, was to make himself visible,-I say, if you were to see him today, you would see him like a man in form-like yourselves in all the person, image, and very form as a man. . . . . . . It is the
It was Mormon doctrine until 1997 when Gordon B Hinkley decided to change it. Same with how it wasn't until 1978 that people of color were accepted to be ordained in the priesthood
LDS here, not sure why members of our church have sought out the “Christian” label. the mainstream church’s, along with our denominations’, beliefs, practices, and lifestyle are fundamentally separate from mainstream Christianity (for better and for worse - i.e; the FLDS) but, regardless, we still proclaim the divinity of Jesus Christ, and that his sacrifice, and thus the belief in his gospel, is the only way to obtain eternal life with God. infighting and aggression towards each other based off of myopic discrepancies is useless when the gospel of Jesus Christ is needed now more than ever. God loves all of his children, and wants us to cooperate in gathering his children for the second coming.
@@niccolopaganini1782According to this video, no, but members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints believe that Jesus came to Earth, died, rose from the dead, and offers us redemption from our sins. I think that make me Christian.
@@frigidfirefilms6147 first of all the whole Joseph Smith issue, the secrecy and the extra biblical rituals, similar to freemasonry and also their Christology and Theology. We don't believe in the the same God, henceforth not Christian.
As someone who grew up in the Church of Christ , and has visited multiple from all over USA. Every single Church of Christ I’ve ever been too believes the same things as baptists. However, they take a few stands on very particular issues tho. The main ones being baptismal regeneration (but explicitly not infant baptism), sola scriptura, and individual church governance. when I say sola scriptura, I mean literally “ONLY scripture”. We don’t use musical instruments in worship because we never see a New Testament example of them being used. So we only sing as a congregation. And we don’t have an overarching body releasing statements about our beliefs and what creeds we agree with because we never read of that sort of thing in the New Testament. They only use the Bible and the examples that come from it. Anything outside of that doesn’t matter. Every church I’ve been too would agree with the Nicene Creed. But their thought process is more “all of that is in the Bible , why should I have to agree with a man written creed when I can just say I believe in Gods word”. And less “we’re a cult that believes heresy and are trying to hide it” kind of thing. If you have any questions, I have tons of contacts from various churches or I can answer them too. But thank you for the videos! I really love them! God bless!
Isn't the church of christ like The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints but they don't claim the prophet succession of brigham young and onward?
@@arcondpvpno. the Church of Christ is more like the original nondenominational church in a way. the goal was to not have division and party lines and just follow what the Bible says. that being said, we agree with the nicene creed, but don’t agree with the concept of creeds as a basis of faith. that’s why we don’t “use” it
Interesting video! I liked it and it was definitely good to listen through: thanks for putting it up. Now, as a Christian who happens to currently go to a "Church of Christ", just thought I'd weigh in... I, as a Christian myself, don't find any problem with the Nicene Creed, but that doesn't mean I need to officially affirm it. Practically, that shouldn't make a difference to anyone: if I stick by what God actually says (the Bible), then I will be fine, and I don't need to agree with any human teaching to be God's. If other humans are waiting for me to agree with purely human affirmations about the Bible... well, that's an indication to me that they're relying more on man's way of confirming things than on God's way, which is a red flag for me. Affirm or don't, that doesn't mean anything: what matters is actually doing what the Bible says. If someone's standard is based on the words of mere men--no Divine involvement--then I think that's not very safe, and I'd run from that standard. Besides that fact, here's another: ultimately, Jesus saves people, not churches. Jesus is looking for the people who are doing their best to be like Him, and those people can exist in all sorts of churches. Just because your church is (on the whole) aligned with the Bible doesn't mean you'll be saved; just because your church is (on the whole) not aligned with the Bible doesn't mean you'll be lost. What that does mean is that each person needs to make their own choice about how they live, knowing that they'll answer to God for their decisions. Being in a "perfect church" (if that existed) doesn't matter if you aren't actually living right. Being part of a "non-heretical church" (as the video says) and confirming Nicene doesn't matter, if you're not actually living right. Ultimately, while this is an interesting discussion, I think that framing it in terms of "how much a church adheres to the Nicene Creed" misses the point of "how much a Christian adheres to the Bible", and that's a distinction that should be made. Inside of that umbrella, you can totally distinguish between pro- and anti- Nicene groups! But that's not what dictates a faithful individual.
That’s a really well written response and a solid counter for CoC. I think you should watch his denominations vid if you haven’t. It’s the reason for this vid, and why the classification required discussion. However, he did cite specifically that Protestants as a whole put emphasis on the Bible versus the church itself. He does have his particulars on the creed, but he highlighted the weight of the word. I still get why you felt the need to respond to his thoughts, just wanted to highlight that point.
@@brandonchism6960 Makes sense to me: I don't know if I've seen the video you're referencing or not, but I'll look for it. I certainly think the creeds are interesting, but I don't want to put ALL my trust in a purely manmade document.
@@bingham6275 fair enough. Which version of the Bible is the go to text for CoC? Is there any conversation about text translation from Hebrew, Greek, or Aramaic? I ask because even the concept of love is muddled in translation from Hebrew to English. Better said, is the KJV for instance taken as is or is there room for nuance?
@@brandonchism6960 Every now and then you get one 'King James only' person, but I don't force my preference on others and they don't force theirs on me. I can't speak for 'the CoC' (because each congregation under that name tends to do its own thing), but I've been to a ton of different ones and I haven't seen an 'authorized version' at any of them. I have often heard about different translations and their accuracy in dealing with the original languages, and there's a general preference among most Christians I know for more word-for-word translations instead of the thought-for-thought kind, but again, everybody's different on that. I've heard preaching from KJV, the Message, and the ESV in the same sermon. Personally, I like NASB and CSB, with a bit of ESV or NKJV or NET as well. Varied reading helps get a general sense of the text instead of getting stuck on strict English definitions that represent a general idea of the Greek words, at that doesn't really work. I prefer to read widely rather than relying entirely on any one group of human translators.
I'm probably your biggest reformed high Anglican fan. Keep up the good work. Your videos are top quality. Btw coming from a millennial, you give me hope in zoomers. Keep preaching my Presbyterian brother.
People often confuse seventh-day adventists with adventists in general. SDA do believe in the trinity and the duality of Jesus/Christ, other Adventist denominations don’t. Also, some SDA beliefs are closer to those of early Christianity (pre-ecumenical council) and Judaism.
I recently left the LDS Church/Mormonism, and have felt very confused trying to figure out what beliefs I have are true and what beliefs I need to reexamine. I'm very glad I've found your videos, as it's been pretty great to see which beliefs do set them apart and to see the fundamental beliefs of other groups. I'm hoping that slowly I'll be able to detangle my beliefs, and I hope you keep making great informative videos like always!
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@@dylanwilliams2202 Joseph Smith fails the test of Scripture. He taught blatantly false doctrine, was a false prophet, and believes in a multiple Gods. He created a non Christian church and the Mormon gospel cannot save you. Repent or perish... Believe in the one triune God of scripture. Your works cannot save you and you will be judged.
I am a Latter-day Saint and I appreciate your content. I think you do a good job juggling all these sensitive topics in a way that is easy digest, entertaining and educational. I want to preface what I have to say this: I don’t much care for the debate about whether we are to be considered Christians. As I see it, I am a follower of Jesus Christ and if the principles of His Gospel don’t align with the precepts that numerous professors of religion have designed for Him, then so be it. As such, I don’t care to argue about the subject. If the Nicenes wish to dismiss us from a seat at the table of Christianity, it does not bother me. I simply hope that such an opinion is formed with genuine knowledge and in a spirit of understanding. Having said this, I want to point out and correct what I believe to be an unintentional misunderstanding of our beliefs. In the video, you say that we deny the eternal nature of God the Father and from there deny the divinity of Jesus Christ. We simply don’t. We believe that They both have, like everyone else, existed for all eternity and will forever exist. We do believe that both Father and Son spent part of Their existence as mortals like us, yes. But They, like all other mortals, existed prior to Their mortality. In other words - They are not created beings and neither are we. What we really reject is the notion of uncreated creator, because we believe things always have been and forever will be; that there was no beginning and there will be no end. Suffice to say, we have very different metaphysical views on creation, the order of the universe, the function and nature of God along with so much more. Our tradition is more developed than people are aware and much of our deeper doctrine is largely unknown and where it is found, it’s often misrepresented because we don’t turn our theology into academia as others do. We have a strong tradition of lay-clergy (every man an Elder, by way of commandment) and a religious sentiment towards the idea of the common man’s heroism. Because of that, it can be difficult to find a good resource for information on metaphysical stuff. If any of that says non-Christian to you, I’m fine with that, but I would like you to come to that conclusion for the right reasons. And I don’t mean to come across as upset or at all demeaning - but dealing with theology, as I’m sure you know, can be really contrived. I also want you to know that I don’t think you have any malice or ill-contentment. Otherwise, keep up the good work. Edit: explaining intentions, simplifying vocabulary, hammering in the point.
@@thekingofthings2002 I am going to edit my original comment from here because I can see how you or others might have thought I was trying to make some kind of point. But I do want to point out, even before the edit, I stated “I am not concerned about the legitimacy of exonyms.” I want to take the opportunity to restate: I do not care what classifications others choose use to label my faith. For though a “Christian” I may not be in your eyes, I am surely a follower of Jesus Christ in the eyes of our God. Disagree you may with the fundamental principles of our faith, you cannot deny our central tenant and foundation is Jesus Christ, at the very least, as we understand Him. You may think we misrepresent or misunderstand Him, just as I and others feel about other Christians. But ultimately I think anyone who is informed and unbiased can see that we do, at very least, speak of Christ and aspire to understand Him. I am wholly fine with the label Christian being withheld but I demand it be done for legitimate reasons and in the spirit of understanding. My intention was not to make an argument as to why we should be considered Christians, I was only pointing out what I see as an unintentional misrepresentation of my beliefs. I don’t think its malicious or intentional because what he talks about in the video are concepts misunderstood by many, sadly even by some in the Church. That does not however make it any more accurate than a practitioner of my faith propping up a butchered idea of the Trinity and using it as a polemic. All that said, I wanted to answer your question. There is nothing in the Nicene Creed or the Apostle’s Creed with which we are in opposition. I would say we oppose the principle of both; that they in truth have no authority. However, the Athanasian Creed is a point of division. We do not agree to the metaphysics of the Trinity as typically espoused by those of the Nicene Profession. If this makes us non-Christian in your eyes, I’ve already said my piece.
As a member of the church of Jesus Christ of latter day saints, (Mormon) I find your perspective interesting and never really thought of the LDS church as not a (true) or original Christian church. Although I see what you mean when you call it not a true Christian church, I of course having a different viewpoint and religion, disagree. But I respect your opinion and your extensive knowledge in other religions. the only reason I disagree is because I think being an LDS member, that we share many many beliefs with most other Christian churches and the only thing that sets us apart in the Christian world as far as being a Christian church is that we believe that God was once man and that Man will eventually become God. In the LDS church, it is believed that If man follows the commandments, and gets sealed in the temple, they will be ressurected to the celestial kingdom to then live on eternally with their family, which is the most prestigious of the three heavenly kingdoms; celestial, terrestrial, and telestial. And those in the highest tier in the celestial kingdom, will then become gods and have the abilities of god. My personal interpretation of all these scriptures is that god once was living life as man similar to us, and had a god before him, and those in the celestial kingdom who will eventually become gods will then have their own children and send them to their own earth to be tested and put to trial, and then the best of their children may become gods and do the same. I think it is an eternal cycle. And something that has no start nor end. Of course this is only my interpretation and I just started researching more of this topic after coming across this video. But I thank you, for taking me down this rabbit hole of research into my own beliefs.
As a Seventh Day Adventist: 1. We believe in the Holy Trinity (Father, Son and Holy Spirit) 2. We believe that death is a sleep and judgment will only take place at the second coming of Christ, you don't go to Heaven or Hell whether you were good or bad. 3. We go to church on a Saturday because the 10 Commandments say that you must keep the Sabbath on the 7th day of the week. We are not suspicious at all
I’m a Latter Day Saint of the Church of Jesus Christ, (Mormon) the only True and Living church on the earth today. I’m not meaning to be inflammatory, I genuinely believe this. Would love to hear your perspectives, maybe even try to change my mind. I’m all ears.
Amen brother. The claim that we aren't Christian is false. Christ is our Savior and the only begotten of the Father. That is Christianity. Not the convolution of the Nicean Creed. Defend the faith brother.
Anyone that believes in the words of Joseph smith is an idiot as someone who was raised Christian but is now agnostic even I find it deeply insulting that Mormonism would be considered anything other than a cult all Mormons are delusional Jesus didnt walk across the United States 💀💀💀💀💀💀
@@danitenotes you still don't fit the definition of Christian. You may claim to be followers of Christ but the stuff that comes with that label of Christian is not what you believe, and it is therefore misleading. LDS is somethin else--something uniquely different from any branch of Christianity.
These videos are fascinating thank you for making them, they've helped me to understand theology better. I recently converted to Christianity and attend a Uniting Methodist church. I think no matter which denomination we belong to I am happy to break bread with you all. We all worship one God
I find this definition of "Christian" to be a lot different from what I've heard before. I define being Christian as being a follower of Jesus Christ and believing that He is the Son of God and Savior of the world (different from simply believing that He existed as a prophet or good man). I've never heard that you need to believe in the Nicene Creed to be considered Christian. That definitely excludes a lot of good religions that would not define themselves as anything else. As for The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (Mormons), yeah, we believe that we are literal children of God, and Christ is our brother. The part about God being once as we are is much less a focus than us being able to become as He is. I'm totally okay with accepting that my mortal mind can't fully comprehend what eternity is and how it works, but I firmly believe that God IS eternal. I was under the impression that lots of other Christian religions disagree on how the Trinity works (do they have bodies, are they one or not really, etc) and I don't see how this difference in our beliefs changes our status as Christian at all.
Not true. God accepts worship only if there are no false teachings, every doctrine must be solidly based on Bible truth. (John 4:24) God is a Spirit, and THOSE WORSHIPPING HIM MUST WORSHIP WITH SPIRIT AND TRUTH. Christendom's many denominations teach false doctrines from PAGAN religions that are unscriptural! You cannot please God by polluting Christianity with false teachings. That is the meaning of (Matthew 7:23) And then I will declare to them: ‘I NEVER KNEW YOU! GET AWAY FROM ME, YOU WORKERS OF LAWLESSNESS!’
I'm a new Seventh Day Adventist, and I can say that the main thinks hat separates us from other Christian Denominations is the day we're worship. Most churches worship on Sunday because that is what the Catholic Pope appointed as his day of authority and everyone follows after that. We believe that Saturday is the seventh day, God's mark of authority because he blessed the seventh day, the last day of the week, while Sunday is the first day. I just found your channel and I enjoy how you break down everything.
You worship on Saturday because Ellen G White stated in "The Great Controversy" that those who worship on Sunday, aka "Sunday Worshipers" would go to hell for receiving the mark of the beast and then be annihilated. May you wake up from this evil denomination before it's too late. There are many more things to be said about SDAs but please go and do your own research. Also if you try and say that you don't believe that Ellen White is right in saying that, then you're saying she's not a prophetess and therefore saying SDA is a false denomination.
@@iwillcuturgrass3248If someone doesn’t consider Ellen white a prophet (there are some adventists who do not) that doesn’t mean the church is false. In many churches she is used to uphold and support some interpretations on the bible (usually prophecies and other things) , but outside of her writings, we have to be able to prove things using the bible, if not, we can not say we follow the bible. And even if someone consider her a prophet or not, she said that if she is found to be against the bible at some point, people follow what the bible says, not her. The church doesn’t revolve around her writings, but the bible. The sabbath is no kept in the SDA because of her interpretation of that prophecy, but because we are commanded to do so in the bible, and we believe its still a valid commandment to this day. Christian denominations differ about the interpretation of different topics on the bible, that doesn’t mean I consider evil any denomination who has different opinions in terms of biblical views. Maybe if such denominations have a GENERAL bad behavior, are manipulative, steal from people etc,. Otherwise, We have to be careful when we accuse others of being evil based on the fact that they have different views from us, and make sure we have the right understanding of that person/group/denomimation. God bless. Sorry for my bad english, its my second language.
@@iwillcuturgrass3248this is not true, SDA’s don’t believe we will be the only ones in heaven. While we believe Ellen White was lead by God, I’ve never heard the term prophetess used for her outside of this, I feel like that has some inaccurate connotations but I digress. She was the founder of the church but she’s not the basis of it. The SDA church is rooted in the Bible, Ellen White’s writings are valued but not on or near the level of the Bible. She’s considered as someone who was close to God and is very wise/gives good Christian advice, however if everything she said crumbled, the SDA church would still stand.
@@iwillcuturgrass3248 yeah... that's not why. there's a history of how the sabbath was accepted a thelogical thruth inside the sda church. it was introduced by another sister.
Amazing video. I’m an Ex Mormon now Eastern Orthodox Christian. I consider Protestants, Roman Catholics to be Christians and my brother and sisters in Christ. Mormonism, Jehovah Witness, Unitarians might have true believers but their systems are not Christian, therefore I don’t consider them my brothers and sisters in Christ. The church that Christ established defines what a Christian is by the creeds There’s no criteria in scripture
I'm Reformed, and I've listened to some sound clips from Mar Mari, an Assyrian Orthodox Bishop, who was also recently attacked by a Muslim. I have no doubt in my mind that he is a saved child of God.
I just came across this channel today & it's very interesting. You mentioned not knowing much about the Christian Science religion. I joined the church at 14 & remained a devout practitioner until 2019, when I was told the church wouldn't allow me to have my gallbladder removed, even though my life depended on it. I've since joined the Mennonite church. If there's anything you would like to know, I'm more than happy to help you.
Hahahah, yeah a lot of us end up SDA in name only, similar to most of Christianity. I made a comment that responded to everything he said about Seventh day Adventists. I’ll find it put it in a reply to you.
Warning! Wall of text incoming. Ellen white didn’t found the SDA church. She was a founding member but not the founder. Additionally she isn’t a prophetess. She claims no authority over the Bible. She herself said if she says anything that disagrees with the Bible then go with what the Bible said. Additionally we don’t believe true Christianity was lost. We believe that true followers of God have existed in every age. We do believe the mainstream church was horribly corrupted, and that the reformation was led by the Holy Spirit. Seventh Day Adventists did have an origin stemming from the Millerite movement. That movement used the book of Daniel to predict the Cleansing of the Sanctuary to happen in 1844. People thought the earth was the sanctuary so they thought Jesus was going to cleanse the earth then. When He didn’t return three groups of thought came out of that. One group decided the whole thing was hog wash, another thought the date was calculated wrong, and the third thought we misunderstood what the sanctuary was. The founders of the SDA church were a part of that last one. We believe that we had the date right but that the sanctuary was the heavenly sanctuary. The one that the earthly tabernacle and temple were modeled after. And that Jesus had begun the duties of the High Priest in heaven by entering the Fathers presence, as was done in the cleansing of the sanctuary during Passover. As you can guess from that description we believe that God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit are three entities. We believe that together they are God. As far as I can understand that is what trinitarianism is. The anihilationism belief and the Saturday worship are both Biblically based. The more important of the two is the Saturday worship, since that is written into the Ten Commandments. We believe that if the day we worship on doesn’t matter then God wouldn’t have specified it. We also believe that the change of Saturday to Sunday was done to make it easier for pagans to be Christian without having to change their behavior. We don’t believe humans that the right or ability to change God’s eternal law. The Anihilationism stems from several verses in the Bible. In Ecclesiastes it is said that the living know they shall die, but the dead know nothing. In the Gospels Jesus described Lazarus as being asleep, meaning that he was dead. And since it was also said that the wages of sin is death, and that Jesus died so we could have eternal life, then the wicked will not burn in hell forever and ever. That would require them to live forever. The phrase forever and ever itself was an idiom at the time Revelation was written. It could mean literally forever, or it could mean as long as circumstances apply, or until completion. The later two interpretations make more sense when we take into account that unrepentant sinners can’t live forever. We depart from tradition because we believe tradition has departed from the Bible. We also believe that holding tradition in such high regard is what led to the Jewish leaders from being unable to recognize who Jesus was and what the messiah’s mission entailed. Yes we do believe in young earth creation. Or at the very least, seven day creation. That is because it is integral to God’s law. The 4th commandment has two reasons given for why we should follow it. One is the same as all the other Commandments, God brought us out of slavery. The other is stated in the commandment itself, for God made the world in six days and on the seventh He rested. In other words, if God didn’t create the world in seven days, (days defined as an evening and a morning) then a flaw appears in God’s immutable law. We believe that Jesus came to fulfill the law not do away with it, and that it is easier for heaven and earth to pass away before a jot or a tiddle is altered in The Law. And the fact that The Law is unchangeable is the whole reason that Jesus had to died for our sins. So if the world wasn’t created in seven days, then Gods Law is fallible, and Jesus’ death would be unnecessary. Seven day creation is integral to the gospel as it is in the Bible.
I realized that I unintentionally called you a SDA in name only. I was directing that comment more to where he got his information from. I’m sorry if my lack of forethought was insulting.
As a Seventh-day Adventist, I tend to say that in reality it is the video that does not describe our beliefs well, not that I am unaware of them 😅 May God bless you!
Nice video! My aunt actually goes to a non denominational church that recites the Nicene Creed every Sunday. The only difference is that they say "universal church" instead of "catholic church" because that confuses people, lol.
i grew up going to a UU church and i’m being so serious when i say there were no bibles, no mentions of God, and no mentions of Jesus at all. like i didn’t even know who Jesus was for a while. people never believe me when i tell them that i got the sex talk at church when i was like five 💀
This video gives a lot of misunderstanding about the LDS church. As a member of the Church, I would like to correctly explain: 1. We believe Jesus, God, and the Holy Ghost are different and are separate Beings. 2. God was not “once a Man” and we will not “become God”; God is Eternal, and we were too, then we were sent down to Earth a a test of our loyalty. Jesus Christ is the Chosen Son who died so that we could live with God forever if we follow the Church. 3. No actual member of the church believes that “Jesus is God”, read the Articles of Faith bro there’s only 13. I swear this guy never thought to actually read about the LDS Church, it breaks my heart because I love these videos but he really is just misinformed. I’m happy to answer any questions yall might have 💗
If I had to guess why the Oneness debate still exists, it’s that the different between “One God in Three Persons” and “One God in three Forms” is such a fine hair to split for all but the most heady and educated believers. It’s not a doctrine that’s easy for a layperson to differentiate.
I think it has to do more of comfort in cadigorization. To say a single Person in three forms is easy to understand, and there is comfort to that. Its logically equivocal to tangible things we can witness, such as the water metaphor. While saying there is a single God, who exists in three persons, there isnt any realistic means to understand or define that more then itself. Its not really a matter of complexity, as it is a matter of comfort. Its more of milk v meat debate when i think of it. We can never understand the fullnesss of God, as he is infinite and we are finite, what we can understand is what God is not. And though negitive affirmation, we can gain some understanding of what God is. Which is a step many arent comfortable taking because no one likes to be wrong, so instead they defend the more simplistic approach, because its easier and more comfortable to.
Really enjoy your content and have referenced it a lot when i was looking for a church after coming back to the faith. Ive been attending and serving at a smaller non-denominational church here in the West Texas panhandle for the past year and a half. I greatly relate to your take on finding what a church really believed to the point i just ended up praying about it heavily, researching and listening. Two churches popped into my head and one included a message mostly about the pastor and his hometown and the other truly felt like home and taught the word with no reservation. The pastor who ive really gotten to know in our Wednesday mens group has said something along the lines of " my names technically on the mail but that doesn't mean im any better than anyone else on the leadership or elder team". I was also baptized there in the name of the Father,Son ,and Holy Spirit. Only thing is the entire congregation says it along with the pastor. Im rambling but that's my two cents and experience in my new church home .
As a Seventh-Day Adventist I can let you know that we do believe in the holy Trinity of the Father the son and the holy ghost. I won't blame you for not knowing this simply because we're not very good at telling people what we believe. And as far as the state of the Dead an ecclesiastic 9:5 it talks about when we are dead we know nothing until Jesus comes it's not that we believe that you won't be raised from the dead we just believes that you're dead until Jesus comes he don't go straight to heaven or hell you were just in the ground
I started watching your videos these days and I found them very informative and resourceful. And you know, i think the graphics presentation is better than the kingdomcraft one.
As a member of the church of Christ, I can confirm that I’ve never even heard of the Nicene creed before, but reading through it I wouldn’t be able to find a single person at my church that would disagree with it. Why we never adopted it I don’t know, but I don’t think it’s necessary for a church to accept that specific document in order to be legitimate.
Yeah, I went to a Baptist college and am a massive history nerd which is why I know about the Nicene Creed but I grew up CoC and they're still the denomination I agree with the most. Everyone I know at my old church agrees and the CoC churches I've been to agree with the Creed. There just isn't a point in adopting a formalized creed when the Bible is also very clear about it. Why is a man-written creed necessary when we have God's word?
@HistoryNerd808 the church of Christ is the only church that could give a chapter and verse for each line of the Nicene creed without knowing the Nicene Creed, proof of the sufficiency of scripture and that while the Nicene Creed is correct in its contents, it is not necessary for biblical orthodoxy.
Super interesting how some consider the Church of Christ suspicious... I've heard the thought that we're a cult before too, I've seen many videos of what a cult is and the Churches of Christ in my state are not like that. Can't speak for other CoC in other states though. The Churches of Christ in my state just teach directly and only from the Bible and about the importance of context and also learning to grow our relationships with God and doing His Will in our lives. We do lots of serving, fellowship, teaching. My church also does not say that we are the "One True Church" or anything like that. We tend to say that all who are baptized in The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are our brothers and sisters. Just thought I'd add some more info on a CoC. We're definitely not all the same and we don't do things the same exact way in each CoC but we sure do love God and studying HIs Word and applying It to our lives. We also tend to plan and/or attend events together with the other CoC congregations in my state. Love the connection between the Churches of Christ where I live! It's like one huge family full of love, support, care, and encouragement for you and your faith in God.
I left a legalistic cult so I had to go to many church's to see what it's all about but I never went to a denominational church. The idea of a denomination is a problem for me with my background. Growing up thinking my small cult was the only saved people and everyone else is an other. Denominations have a danger of creeping into that attitude so I stay away. Every nondenominational church I have been to has a board of elders or deacons who work with the pastor for the "what we believe" stuff. And they also all believe the basic core tenets of Christianity. Using anything other than the Bible to define your church's faith doesn't make sense.
Thanks for this. The idea of a "creed" is dangerous to me. I go the a church of Christ, and while most people think we are a denomination, we are most definitely not lol. Glad you broke away and are trying to find a solid church!
As a baptist, yes, we do have long interviews with out pastors before joining the church. I had several lunches with my current pastor prior to joining, where we talked explicitly about theology.
I find your take on nondenominational churches interesting. How you describe them is essentially what Christianity looked like for its first 300 years or so, with one important difference. Rather than doctrine being taught in liturgical services by a single pastor, teaching was done by mature Christian elders in a much more communal way. The point it, the church was very decentralized at its inception. In other words, the criticisms you levy at the nondenominational churches could be levied at the earliest churches- likely even more so. Which doesn't necessarily make it wrong, but I think that context is important to understand. As a counter example, I could point to the various Anabaptist groups that reject creeds, have no clergy, and have very loose, decentralized organizational structures, and yet still have strongly orthodox doctrinal positions.
The last couple lines of the nicene Creed define what the True Church is, "I believe in one, holy, catholic and apostolic Church. I confess one Baptism for the forgiveness of sins, and I look forward to the resurrection of the dead and the life of the world to come." So the true church needs to believe in the Nicene Creed, and it had to be unified, Holy in that it has the correct doctrine, catholic in that it is the true universal religion, and Apostolic, in that it traces its lineage back to the original Apostles. Only two churches do this and that's the Catholic Church, and the Eastern Orthodox Church. Every other church misses one or more of these requirements.
As a 7th Day adventist this was very informative and the reason we sabbath on a saturday is because God rested in the 7th day saturday also for somereason in my 7th Day adventist church we dont believe in young Earth creation and my bible studies and teachings are the same as christian and i am also considerd christian but i never in my life knew what a nicene creed is.
I grew up Catholic but recently became born again and identify as nondenominational. I started attending a Church of Christ before watching your channel and your videos have been super informative!
I grew up Church of Christ and can vouch that they are proper Nicaean Christians, but they have a strict ideology that prevents them from stating it. They don't recognize any creeds or church tradition at all since they aren't in the Bible. Plus every congregation is autonomous so they can't make a blanket statement for everyone. The church I grew up in actually removed its daycare and almost all of its kitchens. Some people tried banning clapping during worship since it's not acapella lol. The argument was that the Bible doesn't mention churches doing those things. This is so that they can claim to be the one true church restored. So no instruments allowed. People there got upset when I mentioned that the CoC is from the restoration movement because of this. I got tired of it all and left as soon as I moved out of my parents' place. Currently going through some major culture shock from switching to Lutheranism, but loving it.
In a pamphlet entitled The Strength of the Mormon Position, the late Elder Orson F. Whitney, of the Council of the Twelve Apostles of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, related the following incident under the heading "A Catholic Utterance": Many years ago a learned man, a member of the Roman Catholic Church, came to Utah and spoke from the stand of the Salt Lake Tabernacle. I became well-acquainted with him, and we conversed freely and frankly. A great scholar, with perhaps a dozen languages at his tongue's end, he seemed to know all about theology, law, literature, science and philosophy. One day he said to me: "You Mormons are all ignoramuses. You don't even know the strength of your own position. It is so strong that there is only one other tenable in the whole Christian world, and that is the position of the Catholic Church. The issue is between Catholicism and Mormonism. If we are right, you are wrong; if you are right, we are wrong; and that's all there is to it. The Orthodox and Protestants haven't a leg to stand on. For, if we are wrong, they are wrong with us, since they were a part of us and went out from us; while if we are right, they are apostates whom we cut off long ago. If we have the apostolic succession from St. Peter, as we claim, there is no need of Joseph Smith and Mormonism; but if we have not that succession, then such a man as Joseph Smith was necessary, and Mormonism's attitude is the only consistent one. It is either the perpetuation of the gospel from ancient times, or the restoration of the gospel in latter days." 1 THE APOSTLES FAILED IN THEIR MISSION. THEY NEGLECTED TO PROPERLY APPOINT THEIR SUCCESSORS. WHEN PETER DIED, THE KEYS OF THE KINGDOM WERE LOST FROM THE EARTH. THE CHURCH GIVEN TO THEM BY JESUS LAY IN RUINS, OVERCOME BY THE FORCES OF HELL. THE SO-CALLED CHRISTIAN CHURCH WAS NO LONGER THE LORD'S CHURCH. A NEW ORGANIZATION, A "GREAT AND ABOMINABLE CHURCH," CAME INTO EXISTENCE. THIS WICKED CHURCH FOUNDED BY THE DEVIL BECAME KNOWN AS THE "CATHOLIC CHURCH." IN HER CORRUPTION, SHE TOOK AWAY MANY PLAIN AND PRECIOUS PARTS OF THE GOSPEL FROM THE BIBLE, RENDERING IT USELESS FOR CONVEYING THE FULL GOSPEL PLAN. IT REMAINED AN APOSTATE CHURCH DESPITE THE KEYS OF THE KINGDOM ONCE AGAIN RESTORED TO THE EARTH THROUGH THE PROPHET JOSEPH SMITH. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints claims to be a restoration of the original Church of Jesus Christ. In the 1820's a young man named Joseph Smith, Jr. received a series of heavenly visitations in which he was told that all the sects of Christendom had fallen away from the truth, and none of them still retained the authority of God. He and an associate, Oliver Cowdery, were ordained to the Holy Priesthood and the Apostleship by heavenly messengers in 1829, and they organized the Church of Jesus Christ on April 6, 1830. Prophets and Apostles, as well as the Apostolic authority, have continued in the LDS Church from that time. For more information about the teachings and practices of the LDS Church, see the official LDS website.
Lol. Im an ex mormon now Orthodox. Lets say Apostolic Succession wasn't true. Why would Joseph Smith be the one to restore the church and not people like Muhammed? Charles Tate Russel? Ellen G White? Also if they disciples failed, God failed on His promise in Acts Also, Roman Catholicism isn’t true and I’m Orthodox lol. That doesn’t make any sense. I’ll pray for you
@@אררטי does the Book of Mormon reinforce the Bible's proclamation that you speak in tongues when you're filled with the spirit as found in Acts chapter 10:44-48?
@@Adept_Austin Alma 9:21 Having been visited by the Spirit of God; having conversed with angels, and having been spoken unto by the voice of the Lord; and having the spirit of prophecy, and the spirit of revelation, and also many gifts, the gift of speaking with tongues, and the gift of preaching, and the gift of the Holy Ghost, and the gift of translation;
@@GregFessia Well I'm glad you were able to find a verse that references these gifts in the old testament before Jesus, but I'm talking specifically about when you're filled with the Holy Ghost. It's referenced multiple times in the book of acts that there was a visual miracle proving that someone had been filled with the Holy Ghost. Most famously in Acts chapter 2, but also chapter 8 and 10.
I caught a lot of flak for saying Mormon's aren't Christian because while they claim to believe in God, they don't believe in the God of Abraham as Christians do. They can call their God "God" and "Jesus" but that doesn't mean we worship the same God and Jesus. Their God is a created being who was elevated by his God after living a good life, and that we do the same in death. God is the creator not the created.
As an Oneness Pentecostal Christian, I have some questions about your attacks on my faith: First, the monotheism we practice is inherited directly from the Jewish faith, in which it explicitly said that the LORD is one (Deut 6:4, also Isa 46:9). Jesus Christ, God in the flesh (Isa 7:14; Matt 1:23) Himself was raised in the Jewish monotheistic religion and tradition. He told Philip in John 14:9 Whoever has seen him has seen the Father. Also, Jesus said, "I and my Father are one." (John 10:30). Jesus, raised in monotheistic Judaism, believed Himself and declared himself to be God, rightfully so. But He's declaring Himself to be God alone in line with Jewish scripture. Why else would the Jews seek to stone Him? How can you explain Jesus' persistent insistence on His Oneness, on his solely being God? Also, touching your attack on baptism in Jesus' name only: yes, you're pointing to Matt 28:19, in which Jesus himself says that. But than why does Peter does say in Acts 2:38 "Be Baptized in the name of Jesus Christ"? Not only there, but also in Acts 8:16, 10:48, 19:5. Clear evidences of baptism in Jesus' name ONLY, by the Apostles of Christ, those who walked and talked with Him? Can you please why they Baptized in His name only in Acts?
Do you use a separate translation of the Bible? Matthew 28:19 KJV states, "Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost".
@lizzsszzy7800 oneness pentecostals believe that in Matt 28:19, baptizing in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost means baptizing in the name of Jesus who is all 3
I take religious studies in school (I'm from the UK and go to a Catholic School) and we study Catholicism and Judaism. In my Catholic Paper the first question (which is always easy and multiple choice) it said "which is not part of the holy trinity?" A: God the Son B: God the Father C: God the Brother D:God the Holy Spirit
I gotta say, your videos got me back into studying theology and got me back into church. I am Baptist. I have researched theology in the past and I went to church almost every single Sunday, but I married an agnostic, and that has caused me to stop going to church and stopped studying God's Word. I do not blame my husband for that. I blame myself because my mindset turned into "I do still believe in God and my husband's beliefs can not change that or affect my faith." That was sorta true. I never stopped believing in God, but I stopped worshipping Him. I first stopped going to church. Part of that was because we moved and I would need to find a new church home. I started looking at first, but then just stopped. I then stopped reading my Bible. It has a spot in a drawer by my bed and I opened that drawer less and less until I just stopped completely. After a while, I was shaken because I realized I stopped praying. Being married to an agnostic, I started to forget about God, because there were no more reminders of Him in our household. My Bible was put away in a drawer. I could not see it. I stopped wearing my cross necklace. My husband had no interest in going to church or talking about God of course so any effort was completely on me, and I just stopped making the effort. Every once in a while I would be convicted, because I am saved and I believe once you are saved you can not lose your salvation, and I would pull out my Bible again for one day, or we would go to church on Easter, or I would pray on my way to work. The smallest of efforts really, but it was not true devotion at all.
Then a couple of weeks ago I came across your History of the Church video, and then watched your Theology video and something about that just clicked with me. I love history and I love studying theology. I already knew all that stuff in the videos, but them being explained in that way was like relearning it all over again. I realized I missed learning and growing as a person and a Christian. It made me crave being back in that church setting. This last Easter I found my cross necklace that my mother gave me when I turn 13 and I went to church with my husband. This is the reason why I say my disconnect with God is 100% my own doing. My husband has always been supportive of my faith. When I said "I want to go to church." He would come with me. Only ever complained if it was an early service and he wanted to sleep in that day, but he would still go. He never looked down on me for my beliefs. He just never encouraged going if I wasn't the one who brought it up. Although I hope and I do pray that my husband will find his way back to God, I know that I need to focus on my own relationship with God and not let myself forget about Him. Be that example to my husband.
So thank you for your videos. I've also watched your video on how you came to be a Christian and that testimony was inspiring.
That's great to hear, God bless! Praying for you
@@redeemedzoomer6053 what do you think of Origen of Alexandria and the Origenist crisis? Could you maybe make a video on it if you haven't/want to? ❤️☦️
@@thecourierNCR thank you! I’ll check it out for sure!
Yes, good to see you are avoiding to fall the same fate as Solomon did.
i aint reading all that
As a Protestant I respect my Catholic and Orthodox brothers and sisters even though we may not have always aligned on how we glorify God. I also want to thank you for your informative video to help me understand and perhaps help those who have fallen from the teaching of being a Christian. Stay safe and God bless.
I'm always happy to see Protestants who firmly disagree with Catholicism (and Orthodoxy) and yet are vocal about affirming them. I grew up being told Catholicism was demonic, and although I have many disagreements with Rome, I have passionately come to disagree with this notion also.
@@5BBassist4Christ Some Catholics are taught Protestants are heretics. So the extreme feeling is mutual. Thankfully it’s not like that mostly.
@@5BBassist4Christ So long as moral relativism rules the world, Christians simply cannot afford to fight amongst ourselves.
I'm happy that you are understanding like that
a lot of the time in the internet I have to see some radical anti catholic protestants talking down to us that are catholic in comment sections
@@Jadanbr And what's worse, then the radical Catholic extremists get involved and it just becomes one big d%(% measuring competition between a bunch of intolerant know-it-alls! As a Catholic, I really don't get why it would be so hard for us to all just get along as Christians...
As a catholic i adore your channel, very well written and informative video's
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Moses: Hear O Israel, Lord, our God is one.
Jesus: Hear O Israel, Lord, our God is one.
Muhammad: Say: God is One.
Peace be upon them all.
@@EAGLE29-TIME muhammad was literally a heretic
@Cheese Grater Same
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@@EAGLE29-TIME He is just saying that God is one being, not denying the Trinity
I'm Catholic but I can't help but reference the Lutheran video about trinitarian heresies because it's so well done. "That's MODALISM Patrick" 😂
Lutheran Satire is a beautiful channel.
EY im catholic too
Love all those videos. They meet JWs and Mormons as well 😂
COME ONNNNN, PATRICK
@@gabequinn9796 I mean, REALLY Paaatrick
I'm not even Christian, I just find this really interesting and find you really informative and entertaining
He is entertaining and sounds pretty unbiased
@@phillipcummings3518 I wouldn't say unbiased, because a lot of this series is just him giving his opinion, I'd say it's more that he's good at representing the subject and other people's points of view fairly.
@@sk00k that means unbiased
@@phillipcummings3518 not quite. anyone with a stake in the claims being made is biased. it's more like he does a good job of accounting for his bias.
@@unpredictableaxolotl3762 everyone has biases, even if they claim they don't. We are talking about the presentation.
The adventist church’s second (of 28) fundamental belief is “There is one God: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, a unity of three coeternal Persons.”
Christian Church / Church of Christ minister here. I appreciate your clarification in this video. I can see where your caution comes from, especially in our practice of not making creeds. (However, most of our churches do have statements of faith available that act like a creed). I would like to address a few concerns you had about us coming out of the Restorationist movements and the 2nd Great Awakening:
1. Our founders did not believe that Christianity was lost. They saw the many denominations as the church divided. Jesus prayed for unity in John 17. Some things that divide the church are denominational names, church traditions and man-made creeds. The original leaders’ goal was to find unity among all denominations rooted in the essentials of the faith. That’s why we are called Christians only.
2. Each of our churches is autonomous, governed by the local body of elders (like the first century church). That is why we don’t have a “denominational stance” - we technically aren’t a denomination. While we share a common heritage and consider other Christian Churches / Churches of Christ to be brothers, the shepherding of each individual flock is the responsibility of the local elders.
So I can understand your question “how do I know that your church is speaking for other Churches of Christ?” In a sense, we aren’t speaking for those other churches. We share the same principles, but there is not a governing body that determines how each congregation operates.
In conclusion, I think all of the Christian Churches / Churches of Christ would agree with the Nicene Creed, but are only hesitant to adopt any official creeds because of the core belief that man-made creeds have the potential to cause division in the church.
That’s interesting, thank you!
Ah yes exclusively worshipping the Bible, just like the first century churches, who didn’t even have all the books of the New Testament yet…I grew up with a great Church of Christ friend and it certainly fascinated me and she was very resolute and thus very inspiring in her faith but that was always a point I didn’t understand lol
@@SaltUnknownyt The above poseter does a good Job at clarifying. We are not against the contents of the creeds, just in creeds themselves, because our goal is unity based on scripture alone. The only creed we accept is the bible. If the Nicaean or any other creed says what the bible says. Then we agree. It is easier to say the bible says something then a group of men at a meeting. They may be right, but what makes them right is that they are agreeing with the bible.
I know a pastor of a Church of Christ and he says that unless the name of your church is "Church of Christ" then you won't go to weapon. It seems he puts more emphasis on the name of the church rather than anything the church preaches. And if you disagree on anything then you are a heretic. Is that a common view of the Church of Christ
Just wondering is Church of Christ the same as the iglesia ni Cristo churches
Currently doing exchange in South Korea and the number of cults with false messiahs is insane. And they're HUGE
I go to college in Florida and there was a guy preaching about a Korean "messiah". So bizarre.
I’ve been approached about the heavenly mother here and they don’t like it when I start doing a Bible study with them.
I mean that’s an opinion
when you have a capitalistic authoritarian dystopian government as your basis of a nation, you get a LOT of f*cked up things rise up, and unfortunately a lot of countries still look up to South Korea, it's actually insanely funny
KOJC cult leader f- said that he is the appointed Son of God
As a member of the SDA I can try to explain a few things, however I am no expert.
Our "trinity" is well... the Trinity. With one God existing as three coequal, coeternal, consubstantial divine persons. God the Father, God the Son (Jesus Christ) and God the Holy Spirit, exist as three distinct persons sharing one essence/substance/nature.
The view of annihilationism comes from our intreptation of the Bible and some theology due a few things which I will try to explain the best way I can.
1. We see the body, mind and "soul" as three indivisible things that can't exist without the other. Take one out of the equation and you don't have a human being anymore;
2. Due to that belive it becomes hard to see a non-corporeal soul on either Hell, Heaven or purgatory (which we also don't belive exists). People are just in unconscious state where they learn nothing, know nothing and are truly incapable of doing anything;
3. When the Serpent lied ( "surely you won't die" ) to Eve we see that as a full on lie. If a person continues as a conscious being after death with all its previous knowledge and the ability to learn new things as if they are still alive, plus sometimes even interact with the world, it's quite hard to say that person is well... dead. So when when death comes to people they are indeed and truly dead;
4. As I am sure many have heard atheists say that a loving God wouldn't eternally torture his children with fire and brimstone. We agree with that;
5. We belive that eventually God will utterly destroy evil and if evil still exists somewhere even if contained in a place (like Hell) then it still exists.
6. People will only go to Heaven after they either are A (resurrected but saved) or B (alive but saved) on the Apocalypse;
7. People who aren't saved will be destroyed in the end, they will be gone. No eternal hellfire or anything they are gone.
Our view of Ellen G. White is that she is one of our church fathers (in this case mother) and a prophetess. However by her own words if we perceive a conflict between her words and the Bible we should choose the Bible.
The young earth creationism is a big problem yes, however a the educated members who belive in that say it's less that everything is 6000 thousand years old but rather the world as we know it is that age.
Greetings Brother, I'm SDA too and I was just telling him the same, SDA does not deny the Nicean Creed, and one would hardly find any SDA who does.
Does the lake of fire not exist?
@@EdoKu18 Hello, nice seeing others out here.
Plus with the exception of a few things (Ellen G. White, Investigative Judgement and keeping the Sabbath in Saturday) we are not that different from other Evangelical Protestant denominations.
@@stefanofialho5484 I agree, in the 70's and 60's scholars had this same debate and was already settled that SDA Church was just another Protestant church.
And recently I'm noticing this debate to arise once again, it seems like after some years it all starts over again and again, even though it is settled.
@@Lollololplolpllplpl If I remember correctly (probably not) our theology says that "the lake of fire" will only be used in end times to fully destroy evil. A permanent consequence for sinners that choose not to repent rather than a permanent punishment.
I think the non-denom example more so shows how important it is to have a plurality of elders rather than one “head pastor” or else people follow the pastor rather then the Word itself.
Yeah, we in the Church of Christ try to follow the Biblical example of what the early church did and you can see that it was ruled by a plurality of elders.
I go to a Non-denom church does have a Lead Pastor, however we do have a Board of Elders that is above him and he allows the other pastors, such as the Next Gen Pastor (Admin over youth and kids) and Connections Pastor, speak fairly often.
A number of elders is preferable, but not a total defence against error. The early Christian congregation used a number of elders but fell into error almost immediately, even in the Bible itself the apostles had to defend against judaisers, a sorceress and Gnostics, and it got worse after the last apostle died.
@@madelinegrcwow that’s horrible
I go to a non-denominational church, and we too have a board of elders. Which has saved us trouble when we had to kick out a pastor for immoral behavior.
I am a progressive agnostic, and this is one of my default channels for Christian and Christ related information- I appreciate the perspective greatly, despite my different viewpoints.
Progressive agnostic? I never heard of something like it, didn't think agnostics would have anything like branches either
@@aiwaschawa5272 politically progressive as well as someone who is secular
@@krustytheclown6840 Oh that makes way more sense, hope you continue to appreciate theology
May you find the love and grace of Jesus Christ.
I grew up Baptist and despite growing up in the church I couldn't say with all certainty that I believe Jesus to be the Christ. They're kind people with a sense of integrity and compassion but I simply could not accept that Jesus was and is the Messsiah of the Jews. As much as Christianty is about morals and our lives here on Earth and how we behave with God and humanity so many people go to church for the morals and bible study and ignore what Christ /messiah would mean to the Jews. Even Messianic Jews existing doesn't convince me even if it once did give me joy to know that some Jews accept Christ. If I was going to be honest with myself I had to look into why historically Jews rejected Jesus as their messiah. Their messiah is supposed to have all nations turn to God and worship only him without proselytizing or evangelizing. All nations will become monotheistic following the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob at his arrival. And as much as I like his parables, Jesus didn't make that happen. And even if Jesus died excruciatngly and for mankind that would still not be what makes him Messiah.
And I'm sure if Jesus existed he was a decent guy but I could never call him God without feeling like an idolator. I could believe he was a righteous man but I could never believe he was divine and I could come to terms that he may have died a painful death. But the passion of the Christ, his compassion with humanity, and suffering could not convince me that he is King of the Jews. I could feel pity but not acceptance of him being the Christ.
I feel as though a lot of people convert to Chrstianity because "look what Christ did for you, he died for humanity, because God sent him so". That he cares. When tat's not what it would take to convince a Jew that they judged him too quickly.
And I believe wholeheartedly that most pastors, priests, bisops, presbyters, believe what they teach and aren't knowingly tricking people. I believe that they believe it's the truth just as much as I truly know I believed when I was 12-15. I don't what it was. If it was the Holy Spirit or not but I believe with conviction that I did once truly believe and that my faith was sincere when I held it. But as someone born into a Baptist church a false and insincere profession that Jesus is the Christ is worse than openly rejecting him. At least according to me it is. I'm not really sure what Baptist churches would say about that but the Baptist church has such limited authority over it's congregation that it doesn't really matter. We do tend to be very individualistic and because of that I cannot say with all sincerity and integrity, even between just me and God, that I believe. I rather not pretend to be a Christian and lie for the sake of my parents, my church, or myself. Hypocrisy hurts more than reputation and family. I cannot teach or preach what I do not believe. It would be dishonest to both me and God.
And I'm not saying only Baptists can be this critical about the individual professing their belief or rejecting it. I'm just saying that I don't think anyone can ever believe in something if they aren't given the option to reject it and since Baptists don't do baby baptisms there is a stronger sense of getting baptized because you chose for yourself that you want to do it and not simply by obligation or expectation. Although this "choice" easily gets countered if you're born into the religion and not converted since your parents hope and expect you to accept Christ just as much as they do. Is it really that personal of a choice if you feel you may disappoint or concern your parents?
Anyway, that's my Jesus Christ crisis. Good day!
Catholic here. I have been loving your videos and explanations about everything. I just wanted to thank you for these informative videos and can't wait for more !!
Seventh day Adventists do NOT deny the nicean creed. Just saying.
Amen
zoomer historian dropped the ball on this one, plus with the false equivalence of annihilation with atheist view of annihilation
Look Zoomer. If you are reading this. It is *clearly* written. John 3:16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should NOT PERISH but have EVERLASTING life.
The whole spiel he had on SDA was so half-hearted it's ridiculous.
It's complete nonsense logically speaking. Come on. God is love. He would not damn sinners to eternal torture. That is not love. Plus eternal torture means eternal life because clearly they have to live to be experiencing that pain.
@@epsilon3821I don't relish the thought of eternal hell. But I will not die saying that Christ was a liar. Because that is what you call him when you say eternal hell is not real when Jesus, Paul, Peter, James, Jude and John all clearly teach an eternal hell.
Depart from me into the eternal fire prepared for the Devil and his angels.
If you can't understand those plain words, I don't know what else to say. But call Christ a liar I won't.
@@tomy8339 Yes, eternal fire. The lake of fire. God's love is an eternal fire that BURNS AWAY all sins. That does not prove that sin will continue to exist that the devil will live burning forever in that fire. It is written in revelation that all sinners will be no more. You are misinterpreting Christ's words.
Even in non-denominational churches or other congregational style evangelical churches, it's not always just up to the pastor, there is usually a board or group of elders that oversee the pastor. Of course this varies wildly from one church to another
I went to a Non Denom where it was discovered the Pastor was up to some sinful shenanigans. The Elders quickly relieved him of his role.
I have heard stories though of churches splitting over situations like that. So I can 100% appreciate where the poster is coming from talking about with following pastors.
Same with Church of Christ!
I'm a nondenominational christian who attends baptist church and works in a catholic school, and I, interestingly, have the opposite mindset of what you described nondenominationals as. Instead of picking a single priest or pastor to follow, I instead take insight from many different teachers but ultimately strive to follow Jesus. I fear that I may fall in the trap of following a single denominational leader or a set of preferences if I commit to a denomination. I want to serve any true church denomination that I can so that they can fulfill their mission for God.
It is a very interesting take on non-denominationalism that I never thought about. I enjoyed the video very much!
This is also how I also see my faith in a non-denominational church. I have never seen my pastor as absolute authority, just as a helpful teacher of the word of God who is one of many people who I can learn from.
I thoroughly enjoy this man's YT videos and learn a lot, but I do notice his habit of making sweeping generalizations about different Christian groups that I find to be rooted in bias/personal experience.
I am seventh day adventist but I like the videos I will be praying for you.
its cool to see SDA representation! I am a seventh day adventist and i have to be honest, in a lot more liberal leaning SDA churches the thoughts or validity of Ellen G White is held as trivial information and/or more as “advice” and less gospel. I myself think this way, and the only real way to pick me out of a crowd as an SDA is that I go to church on Saturday.
I'm in the same boat and agree with you
Yeah I think especially in the younger generations we tend not to hold her in such high regard. There was a major swing to Fundamentalism back in the 60's where they really tried to drive hard her importance which is why a lot of SDA boomers can't stop talking about her. If you check the Adventist History Podcast, they break it down very well.
i dont get it, why would anyone think sabbat is not saturday?? its in the 10 commandments of any word-to-word translated bible. sabbat is the 7th day after he created everything where he rested, thats why its the saturday.
if some folks want to worship the resurrection of jesus on sunday, thats fine. you can do both, worship sabbat on saturday and worship resurrection on sunday. didnt jesus himself do the sabbat?
in my understanding you can even go to mass on sunday if you still worship and respect the sabbat on saturday.
i do not even understand how this is a discussion.
He represented us as borderline heretical, in what shape or form is that good thing? And he represented us poorly, you can tell that he didn't research the views of the SDA. We literally have an official website. Keep in mind the protestant reformers were called "heretics" and were watching a protestant side with the Catholic Church to call other protestant heretics while ignoring the Catholic Church. It's hypocrisy!
Don't try to be accepted by the world, we Adventist are different in many points of scripture, not just about the Sabbath. Your " liberal" Adventist Church sounds like an Apostasy, if you believe we're only different by going to church on a Saturday...
If you buckle under lying criticisms like this, then how will you stand for Jesus?
Adventist here, just a quick point we do believe in the trinity and accept the Nicene Creed. though in the early history of the church it was rejected by pioneers like James White, (Ellen's Husband) Who initially felt it was too Catholic. as the Church was looking for it's footing there was a lot of weighing where the influences that made up the current church came from. If you want more info on what we define as The Trinity Check the 28 Fundamental Beliefs, it's the clearest statement of SDA beliefs. Keep making great vids and cheers.
100% agree with you!
I don’t know. When I was growing up SDA, and after I became baptist, they insisted that they were anti-credal.
@@mmtoss6530the 28 fundamental beliefs is created to avoid confusion among SDA churches. Please avoid basing off word of mouth as any person in any community that claim anything otherwise that contradicts the core doctrines of their group.
@@mmtoss6530 you are correct
It’s interesting to hear about why some may think Church of Christ is suspicious. Personally, I spent my whole life drifting between churches due to my family moving a lot, but found out about CoC when I started going to a Christian college that was CoC. Honestly the worst thing I can say about it is that can make people uncomfortable because they teach (or at least the people in my college teach) a ton about the historic context on the Bible as they believe that the authors of the whole Bible weren’t writing explicitly for us gentiles reading the Bible 2000 years later. Like the letters of Paul weren’t meant to be addressed to every church everywhere but were first written to give guidance to the specific churches with the specific problems they were having. Regardless of that though, it is of upmost importance to still follow what Paul wrote about because it’s extremely important teaching and it’s part of the Bible which gives it ultimate authority as the Word. I don’t believe it undermines the Bible to know the historic setting that it was written in but I can understand how it can be a unsettling thing to say that Paul’a letters, as an example, were not tailor made to solve problems of the modern person but were designed to be letters to benefit the audience that would read or listen to the letters at the time of Paul’s life. Despite that, we still find immense value in them as they still teachings of God as well as his will combined with the fact that God never changes and is eternal. I can also confirm that they believe in the trinity in a traditional sense. They believe in the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit and believe that all three are divine with Jesus being both divine and man.
I hope I didn’t make things too confusing. I just wanted to make a statement as someone who just started going to CoC after spending my life going to a Catholic high school with mass every Wednesday and going to dozens of different churches without really being raised in the teachings of one particular denomination. Just thought I might have been able to provide decent insight.
They're right. The Bible wasn't written for our times. But The Holy Text was. Good Wizard (G-d for short) says in Austin 3:19 "G-d Most High in his unmatched wisdom revealed his magic truths in an age of mass communication so no one has to get His Word second-or-third-hand." This revelation is happening in our time because there are enough ppl familiar with the magcial savior Harry Potter and ready to receive their scholarships to Hogwarts paid for by his victory over Voldmeort.
The biggest problem with CoC is that they believe in both believer's baptism and baptismal regeneration, so that if a baptism is performed on an unbeliever it is invalid. This flies in the face of 1 John 5:13 where the assurance of salvation is based on present not past faith. Even worse, some in the CoC even teach that if you believe your sins are forgiven before baptism then your baptism is invalid. So there is an ecumenical problem in general where one side views the other side as unbelievers. And apparently they believe you can sin away your salvation (rather than only by apostasy) so evangelicals will usually accuse them of teaching works.
@@maxxiong Yes, most Churches of Christ (I say most because it's not a unified denomination, they are just autonomous congregations that try to go strictly by the Bible and nothing else) believe that if a baptism is performed on an unbeliever it is invalid. I don't see how this contradicts 1 John 5:13? We believe that if you believe, repent, confess, and are baptized in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, you will receive the gift of eternal life. I've also never heard of people teaching that if you believe your sins are forgiven before baptism then baptism is invalid. We don't believe everyone else is unbelievers. We just try to go by the only authoritative truth, God's word, the best we can. We don't believe you can sin away your salvation, only if you become unrepentant and stop walking in the light.
@@bliots8369 There are churches of christ that teach one has to believe baptism actually forgives sins to be saved.
Bascially the argument from 1 John 5:13 is that assurance is being based on present faith, not past faith. If one affirms both believer's baptism and baptismal regeneration, then the necessary consequence is that assurance also depends on the faith at the point of baptism.
@@maxxiongI grew up in the CoC. It is admittedly difficult to pinpoint what CoC explicitly is due to it being Congregationalist in nature, so each CoC can teach their own message. It’s more of a movement than a denomination.
Now, it is possible for a CoC to deviate so far that other CoCs may choose not to recognize them as a fellow CoC. But most are in the same ballpark on most issues.
Some will use the nicine creed, some won’t. Some will use it but not call it that in order to fulfill the traditional CoC doctrine of not aligning with formalized creeds as the only, “creed,” is meant to be the Bible itself.
My CoC believed baptism only is valid for those mature enough to understand it, so child baptism was not a thing. We believed that salvation could be lost only through apostasy. And we believed salvation through faith but that the best sign that your faith is valid was doing works. It wasn’t the works that saved you but the faith that compelled those works.
I would love a video covering a deep dive into Seventh-Day Adventism. Being raised in the church, father being a pastor, and having family ties all the way up to administration throughout the general conference, I've been presented with satesfying answers to nearly any and every qualm/question I had regarding the church and our beliefs. I would love to hear your thoughts in far more detail and scrutinization.
hey im an sda too. This guy saying "worshiping on Saturday isnt explicitly heretical..." while its literally in the 10 commandments is sorta funny.
Lol yeah I kinda laughed at that too. Jesus who was a Jew and attended “church” on Saturday would be a little suspicious in his eyes.
I also found it interesting that having a prophetess seems to separate us. Even though we give her less authority than a lot of the other “ Christian” religions give their leaders
Well he only got 20% right on SDA.
No Ellen G White never claimed to be a prophetess, only receiving the gift of prophecy in which she doubted so much that she went to get her visions testified by every known pastor in her area, so it was very likely these where of the Holy Spirit.
She didnt base it off a failed second coming date, that was William Miller the founder of the millerites and she never based off SDA of of them.
They believe in a mix of Annihilationism and torment, where you do suffer to a certain degree before your soul gets quenched into the flames, very scary stuff.
So yeah, SDA has the fundamentals down, the Bible is the standard and foundation they base off of everything, and we invite you to come visit if you made it this far reading ❤🙏
@@matthewpauls2498 10 commandments are in the old testament, it is the Mosaic law for Jews which Jesus has already fulfilled. Christians are under the new testament, a new covenant with God and 10 commandments have no bind on us.
@@CYC_JP so then we should kill and commit adultery? We should lie and have other Gods now? If we are living under a new covenant it does t mean God’s first covenant is destroyed. Jesus kept the 10 commandments while living on earth. He left that example to us. So yes, The Sabbath, 4th commandment is still relevant. God never changed his Holy Day. 6 days of creation, 7th day of rest. It has always been since the beginning of time. God never threw them out when Jesus came. It’s just completely false to think that the 10 commandments are nothing. They won’t give you salvation, obviously, but it is still the word of God, and never did he explicitly say they were done with. Again I ask, if we no longer keep the 10 commandments, then can I kill, lie, cheat, have other Gods, covet etc. and I will still go to heaven? When we truly follow Christ we follow his example. He followed the 10 commandments out of love and worship. Not for salvation.
As a Witness, I was excited to see us mentioned, although briefly. You are correct, we don't believe in the Trinity. We believe God is the God of the Old Testament (Jehovah).
We believe God created Jesus, and then created Earth and mankind WITH Jesus. Our salvation though is still through Jesus sacrificing himself for our sins.
We believe Jesus is King in heaven, but Jehovah is still the Father.
I do like your videos, keep them up! I will accept the heretic title and continue watching xD
sup brother
Same brother
Thank you for making this comment
The „silent return“?
The seventh day Adventist church doesn't deny the Nicene creed.
Correct
makes me wonder where this guy gets his facts🤔
@@leece_dunstan_zw1170 Unfortunately it's clear he didn't have any diligence researching SDA
Really? The communion of saints?
Noone ever does.
Thank you for your explanation on church of Christ. While my experience with CoC has thankfully been positive-I’ve never walked into a CoC where the fundamentals of Christianity weren’t preached or practiced-they’re technically non-denominational, and that can cause confusion.
@@AmazingFitOh come on, can’t a man enjoy a good coc for himself?
I read that as call of cthulhu lol. Playing too many trpgs.
Glad you’ve had good experiences with CoC, I’ve had bad ones
As a member of the church of Christ, I can assure you we simply follow what the Bible says, mostly in a literal way, but some things are obviously metaphorical like that the wine and bread aren’t actually blood and flesh. We believe pretty much everything you’ve listed but we do believe that mainline churches were misled by false prophets, so this we imitate the churches in the book of Acts. Also confessions are done in a different way, we have a thing called D group where we discuss our sins and share Bible verses to help each other grow and repent. The reason we don’t follow the Nicene Creed is that it’s not mentioned in the Bible as a requirement for the church.
Love this.
The Nicaean Creed is politics.
Is salvation by through faith alone in Christ?
@@piginablanket8177 through Gods grace alone and we are saved through our faith yes.
@@Pushing_Pixels Nicene :)
I wish all Orthodox Christians a wonderful Pascha. Please Pray for the Orthodox Christians who are being actively persecuted in Ukraine. They are removing monks from monasteries that have been there for 1,000 years. Lord Jesus Christ, have mercy and save us.
Amen
Amen
Loving your content. Your videos have been very edifying for me. My only complaint is either the music is too loud or your vocal volume is too low.
Agreed
Yeah the music was quite distracting for me at times which was a shame, the content is great though!
One of the reasons the Churches of Christ don't always say the same thing is because each church is autonomous. We don't have a headquarters or a leader like denominations, so the churches sometimes vary depending on where they are in the world, but thankfully, it's mostly over trivial matters. Also, the reason we don't acknowledge the creed is because we don't support following anything but the Bible. We already have the Bible so there is no need for another list of rules when we already have one. Hope this clears some stuff up! Love the video.
I can vouch for this! My husband grew up in a church of Christ and I've been going for a little over 4 years. The one I go to will do things with local congregations (other Churches of Christ) like singing services, but nothing for headquarters or anything like that. A friend of mine came from a different church of Christ and was telling me of some seriously questionable things that his pastor was saying. Unfortunately these churches may have the same name, but some may believe different things. Thankfully, like you said, mostly over trivial things, but sometimes it is over doctrine itself. Be very careful and always look to the Bible to see if they are preaching truth.
LOVE how many CoC brothers and sisters are commenting here! I'm also a Church of Christ member and absolutely love it.
@@katmisaiah40_8 same!
Agreed. We don't acknowledge the nicene creed because we don't believe in any human authority and only look to the bible. As it turns out though, the nicene creed is stating pretty obvious teachings of the Bible, so as a result every single church of Christ i have ever walked into (a lot) hit every one of the essential elements consistently, and can name a book, chapter, and verse to back it up.
1. cool there is this many church of Christ members I’ve literally never seen one in public besides Nauvoo and Kirkland. You guys do have a head quarters in independence Missouri i thought?
I was really interested to see Church of Christ on here, but you make some good points.
Because we are so heavy on church polity, it really is difficult to ascertain a straight answer on what CoC believes. You’ll find some variation church by church, from one-cup communion to female head covering, wine to grape juice. Having grown up CoC and attended churches across the nation, I feel qualified to state the hard points that define a CoC.
As the Church of Christ spawned as the most conservative product of the Restoration Movement, the Restoration Movement was created by Presbyterian ministers, therefore much of the belief system is the same.
No creeds: while CoC rejects any creed not found in the Bible itself, because basis of the Nicene creed is scriptural, CoC rigidly adheres to each of its tenets while rejecting the authority of the creed itself. That the CoC doesn’t hold the creeds of 4th century orthodoxies to be holy does not mean you can reject the Trinity or the importance of the Sacraments. You will not find any variation within the CoC on this matter. If a creed is scriptural, it should follow what the CoC does. If the creed is not supported by scripture, no church should follow it. Scripture doesn’t follow the doctrine of a church. The doctrine must follow scripture and nothing else.
Communion is administered weekly, freely given, with each judging themself rightly and worthy to receive it in accordance with the synoptic gospels and 1 Corinthians 11. You’ll find some variation, as stated above: some churches pass one cup, most do the standard shot cups. Some use wine, most use grape juice. Otherwise, the importance and format is the same throughout.
Baptism is for believers, and is given in conjunction with confession and repentance for the remission of sins, in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. You will find no variation, and from what you’ve put forth I believe we’re on the same page.
Other than that, our most famous sticking point is acapella singing. Tbh, there’s less evidence in scripture against it than so many other things, but it’s a hallmark of the CoC. If you see instruments, you’re not in a CoC. We literally split from the Disciples of Christ over it, going as far as to inform the US Census Bureau so they wouldn’t confuse us with them. Idk. It sounds great when lead right.
And yeah, rarely you’ll see women practicing head covering. Some churches are for, some against, some have a mix. So far I haven’t seen any huge hardline rifts over it and most are in the standard mainline Protestant “it’s figurative” camp on 1 Cor 11. It’s worth a study.
You made a good point about non-denoms being basically whatever the pastor decides. This is another thing you will never find in a CoC, despite lacking any formal authority or creed above the congregational level. There are several reasons for this. Chiefly, the Church of Christ operates off of the same manual as all of Christendom: the Bible. If you’ve got the same manual we do, and you follow it, there is little room for variation (relatively anyway; you get my point).
The next is that we reject the concept of a pastor. That is, reject the concept that one man has the authority to direct church doctrine and lead the teaching and preaching of that church. We believe in a plurality of elders (meeting the qualifications in 1 Timothy and Titus). This is at minimum two, but typically three or more men who enforce the doctrine of the church. Under them, deacons are appointed (again, only men meeting 1 Timothy qualifications) as needed to efficiently handle the business of the church (these roles can be anything from finance to outreach, charity, and teaching). In absence of enough qualified men (a very small church typically), doctrine will be enforced by all men democratically instead, again, using just Scripture as the manual, until a plurality of qualified elders can be obtained . Often, the paid preacher or evangelist isn’t an elder, nor are the elders paid by the church. You’ll also, in a healthy church, find that much of the ministry is done by individual members, and sometimes there won’t even be a paid minister at all, as the men of the church each share those tasks as part of their own personal study and growth.
It’s also not true that CoC has truly rigid church polity. Every church I’ve been to, nationwide, fraternizes with other CoCs. Most states or regions have lectureships where all nearby churches gather and share teaching, and there are widely accepted CoC schools such is Sunset International Bible Institute. As such, it’s incredibly rare to see a whole congregation fall away despite the lack of formal hierarchy or creed.
Anyways, I hope this helped clarify a few things. Kind of a shame we got on the naughty list but I hope I set some things right.
Just a comment, Annihilationism is present in much more than Adventist theology. It was present in the theology of some early Catholic fathers and is still a view held by some protestants in mainline denominations. You see it rarely in Evangelical circles but it's not completely absent there either.
John Stot, calvinist theologian, believed in Annihilationism and that it is a completely biblically valid position on eternal punishment.
Also Some Jews didn't believe in after life either.
Annihilationism was condemned as heretical by the Catholic Church
As Mormon I find your videos super fascinating and informative! I’ve got to say though, growing up I would say I was Christian just so I wouldn’t have to explain myself but I guess that term isn’t the most accurate to my case. Appreciate the vids! 😅
I pray that God reveals Himself to you, so you can see Jesus on judgment day and be a faithful servant
@@relajado-fx5rf chileeeee 🤣
It all depends of what you define as “Christian”. With his criteria, Mormons are not Christians, but with a much simpler definition like “follower of Christ” they’re about as Christian as it can get. I like to consider them as sort of cousins in the Christian family. A lot different from the main family, but that doesn’t make them any less valid or correct. In fact, I’d go as far as to say they might be the best representations of Christ in the modern day with how nice and charitable they are, or at least they are in my community.
@@bremjo7929 this is such a wholesome comment 😭 thanks for making me feel less of a fraud hahah 🫶🏽
Mormons are Christians. He keeps saying people are or aren't 'objectively' Christians, or are heretics, but he doesn't get to set that criteria for everyone.
Please do more in depth on Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day saints. I’d love to hear more of what you think because the one point you made about God once being a man is not the bases of our lives. Jesus Christ is the bases of our lives. We are 100% Christian because we follow the teachings of Jesus Christ, the Son of God.
Been really enjoying your content, brother. Keep it up!
As a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, we do not deny the eternal nature of God. In fact, like God, we are all eternal beings. In our current mortal state, we cannot comprehend the concept of eternity. Heavenly Father set us on this on this earth so that we could learn to become like him. Of course, the only way that is possible is by turning to Christ and following his example. He personally volunteered to come down to this earth, establish His gospel, and then suffer and die for us, so that we could be resurrected and return to live with God again. I know of these things to be true through personal study, prayer, and revelation. I bear this testimony in the name of Jesus Christ. Amen
As long as you know that you guys are heretics 🤷🏿♀️
I’m a Member of the Church as well and I just found this guys lack of knowledge and false claims about our church to be incredibly disrespectful.
I am in your ranks with Christ by our side. Amen
I pray for you to come to the true church and the true body of Christ.
“Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves. By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles?" Matthew 15-16
Please think and investigate about the fruits of your church and compare it to the charity or social impact of Catholicism or Protestantism.
@@AbbyDoesUA-cam believe it or not the guy who made the video eats corn the long way.
I'm an apostolic Pentecostal and I believe that all three is one in Jesus name amen
For a church to be Christian they must accept the Holy trinity, accept that what God is on what the Bible says about him.
Who determines what the Bible says?
I'm a Coptic Orthodox, really enjoyed your videos explaining denominations as well as this one.. well done
Eastern Orthodox Christian here, I love your channel, these videos are mad entertaining
I like how the commentary is a lesson in theology and the background is all like: C O W
I've gone to Non-Denominational churches/charasmatic type churches my whole life. I appreciate the information on the different denominations. Honestly I had no idea about most apart from Catholisism and Protestanism. I appreciate the work you are doing bringing the truth to people in a way that is informative and easily digestable. Great job!
As a note, while the churches Ive gone to never explicitly follow the Nicene or the Apostles creed they have all adhered to them. That being said I will agree and appreciate how you point out the pastor is more important than the traditions. To us that is a feature not a bug. However, the way you explain why you see that as an issue makes sense and I can totally appreciate the sentiment.
Yeah it is interesting. My childhood non denominational believes in the trinity as he states, communion is done seriously every Sunday, and baptism is done in the father spirit and holy ghost. Not sure if that was written in the Bible or the creed I got a lit of studying to do apparently.
I grew up in the same scene and I have started to think Evangelicals(especially charismatic) are the LEAST literate and informed people of all the Christian traditions.
@@joshh1693 Traditions, I 100% agree. However, like I said above they see that as a perk. When I looked up what the poster meant by the sacraments the church he’s I went to take almost all of them seriously, just in a different way. Communion is a very important moment. Baptism is very important, marriage is very important. I feel the NonDenoms (again that I’ve attended) do traditions just in different ways.
What I appreciate about this channel and creator is he’s opening my eyes to the fact that you can go to MainLine church and still be a strong Christian. Everyone I knew who went to mainlines were Christian in name alone, so I always wrote those churches off. This is giving me hope.
The one video I watched from this guy of infiltrating the mainlines and winning them back was fantastic.
you had mentioned Quakers as a borderline group in the denominations video but they weren’t mentioned here, i’m very curious to know why you put them there as I couldn’t find anything in my own (limited) research that puts them there, and I graduated from a Christian university with Quaker roots so I have a very vested interest in knowing this
I was thinking about them! He had mentioned them in an instagram post
Quakerism is hyper sectionalized and there are “nontheist” Quakers. And overall, from what I can determine, Quakers border on being Gnostic at times. Of course that’s just my opinion and I how interpreted it. I’m sure a man of the oats could explain their motivations better than I could. Still good people though.
Same my church and camo are quaker
Quakers don't have a set doctrine, so you can't say any one thing applies to all Quakers. Not just between different congregation, but between different people. We're a lot like Jewish people in that way (whom we have a lot of close ties to). 2 people, 3 opinions.
Not all Quakers are like that, but some are basically UUs.
Before converting to Orthodoxy my first run in with the Nicene Creed was at a Non-Denominational church I visited in a whim. I grew up in a charismatic church, and we really didn’t have creeds or confessions.
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints doesnt necessarily teach that Christianity was gone from the earth, only that the authority of God was taken, meaning people still followed the teachings of Jesus Christ and were in fact Christians, but that the churches that came after the death of the apostles were not by authority of Christ himself. The church teaches however that divine intervention was still happening throughout this period, but that the nicene creed was not itself divine. It is kind of interesting though that a protestant would deny a church's christian identity for claiming that christianity fell at some point, while also acknowledging that the entire movement of protestantism came because someone felt that Catholicism had fallen away from true Christian teachings.
But they taught that Jesus isnt God which is big no no.
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The Mormons believe in "The Godhead" and that "God the Father", "God the Son", and "God the Holy Ghost" are of a single mind even if they are physically distinct personages. They also teach that Jesus was indeed the God of the Old Testament, acting in the name of His Father with what they refer to as "Divine Investiture". The Mormons are Christians, they're just not Nicene-Creedal Christians. They're also some of the most decent people I've ever met; most of 'em, there are some Born Again Virgin women and scumbags among them but, you'll find that in every congregation.
@@sdflsdlfkjgh6637more than that, some teach that Jesus is a created being
I’m a Member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints and Just found this video disrespectful, he didn’t bother to do any actual research on the Church and just made claims that are 100% false.
There's doctrine in the LDS Church that is against the Bible. If it goes against the Bible or isn't found in the Bible, it's false
honestly i have deep respect for mormons, they seem to follow their faith much more closely than other christians i see, they have close families and are very tight nit in their communities
I can understand that. I also have great respect for some of the Muslim families I've met, particularly their familial bond, sense of morals, and their hospitality. Unfortunately, still doesn't change that their religion can't save. At a human level, I have great respect for some that I've met.
cults are like that
@@nathanscovell2895could say that same about every religion lol. I was raised a catholic and I could very well call some things cult-like. We had a priest molest several kids in our church and his punishment was only relocation. Who cares how people worship Christ or God, as long as they are nice, is my philosophy nowadays.
By their fruits
@@Mic1904 Except most muslim "families" are abusive, not to mention polygamous.
I found your channel yesterday when I was literally spending my short time on the internet. Now, here I am listening continuasly your experiences with God, knowledges about the Reform and the Word at all while I'm editing my essay about rights and nursing cares for disabled children. Thank you for what I consider a high quality content and real christianism.
P.S.: I was a leftist too in the high school. If I could, I'd erase that period of my life HAHAHA
God bless you, and everyone who are reading this comment. If you want to know, I'm from the south of Brazil (sorry for my bad English).
Oremos por mais brasileiros cristãos que busquem aprender mais sobre a nossa fé.
Leftist is not an antonym of Christian you know. The are plenty of leftist Christians. Blame Evangelicals for convincing people religion and politics are intertwined.
"É ele que nos conforta em toda a nossa tribulação, para podermos consolar os que estiverem em qualquer angústia, com a consolação com que nós mesmos somos contemplados por Deus." (2 Coríntios 1:4)
Very nice video Brother. Much love from the Orthodox Church. ❤️☦️
I have a friend who belongs to the Church of Christ. One time she gave me a bulletin from her church, which had teachings within it that really shocked me. It said that it was a sin to praise God with musical instruments - apparently they only sing acapella in those churches - and amazingly, that a person might lose their salvation if they praised God with anything but their own voice. I love this friend of mine who belongs to this church, and I am not criticizing her because she is a wonderful and loving person. But I must say, I find this particular teaching about music bizarre to say the least - I can't imagine why they think someone can go to hell because they played a musical instrument in church.
As a member of the church of christ I can tell you that we don't necessarily believe that participating in instrumental worship is a automatic sentence straight to hell, however we still avoid it. The main reason being that instrumental worship is never directly commanded, only ever singing songs of praise and worship to God. Secondly there is a historical precedent of noninstrumental music being the norm up until around the 1600s. And Lastly we can see such as in the example of Nadab and Abihu in Leviticus 10:1-2 that there are certainly wrong ways to worship God. Even in this small example we can see that worshiping God incorrectly, One exists, and Two has real consequnces. So since instrumental worship is not commanded nor was it common in the early church, it is a good idea to avoid it because it most likely is not from God and if we worship God in a way that he never commanded we could face eternal consequnces.
@@tarpmaster31 Thank you for your explanation, I appreciate that. I guess what really makes me scratch my head about this teaching is the number of times the Old Testament talks about praising God with instruments - some verses actually do sound a bit like commands to me, or at least encouragement. In the Psalms especially, there are so many mentions of instruments - such as Psalm 150:3-5 "Praise him with trumpet sound; praise him with lute and harp! Praise him with tambourine and dance; praise him with strings and pipe! Praise him with sounding cymbals; praise him with loud clashing cymbals!" It sounds to me like God loves to hear any noise joyfully made in His honour. But as I said, I do appreciate you sharing your point of view, it helps me to understand my friend better. God bless.
A not as good way to put it but short is “ Do you really want to risk salvation over a couple of notes”?
@@Laura_B__ We don't follow the old testament anymore, we are under the new law. The new testament never mentions anything about instruments in worship, but it DOES mention singing, so we just sing instead of adding instruments.
The church of Christ I attend will make a similar argument (not straight to hell, but they avoid instruments in worship), however at the same time, some women wear head coverings and some don't, and there are arguments for both sides. Yes, there are wrong ways to worship God, but aren't those explicitly listed in the Bible? Something that important would have to be, right? That's one of the teachings that I'm not 100% on board with, but I understand that big "worship bands" have a danger of being all for them and for show rather than glorifying God. There is someone in my church who will play harp in their free time, then on the complete other end of the spectrum, someone who believes that any music with instruments is sinful (because everything must be done for God's glory, therefore xyz) it really confuses me and I get caught up in it rather than glorifying God as I should sometimes. I'm working on getting better
so I’m a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints (and a zoomer), I really appreciate the deference you give to all of our brothers and sisters. We do believe that God must have been mortal at some point, but we don’t think that negates His eternal nature. It’s just that we believe all entities are eternal, and all mankind has divine potential. Before we were mortal, we were born to Him as His spirit children, and we agreed to live mortal lives as part of His plan to one day reunite together again in Heaven as fully fleshed and divine beings.
Jesus, the Lord’s only begotten son in the flesh, is central to the plan. He died for our sins and gave us the Atonement, so no matter how faulty and weak we are in mortality we can always ask repent to Him.
Amen.
Perfectly said bro
I'd agree with some of your problems with Mormonism (I'm Mormon) based upon your criteria. One thing I would say is that the doctrine of God once being man is definitely not something that is preached, I don't know if it once was but we believe God is the same yesterday, today, and forever, and is unchanging. In Alma it says his course is one Eternal Round, and he does not change. Just thought I'd clear that up.
I agree. However, when you said that you agreed with some of his problems with the LDS Church, what problems of his did you agree with specifically?
I didn’t expect the Book of Mormon to come in clutch
Robert L. Millet,
Noel B. Reynolds
Joseph Smith taught in April 1844:
God himself was once as we are now, and is an exalted man, and sits enthroned in yonder heavens! That is
the great secret. If the veil were rent today, and the great God who holds this world in its orbit, and who
upholds all worlds and all things by His power, was to make himself visible,-I say, if you were to see him
today, you would see him like a man in form-like yourselves in all the person, image, and very form as a
man. . . .
. . . It is the
It was Mormon doctrine until 1997 when Gordon B Hinkley decided to change it. Same with how it wasn't until 1978 that people of color were accepted to be ordained in the priesthood
@@leviwilliams9601 sounds like genesis 1:27 to me
LDS here, not sure why members of our church have sought out the “Christian” label.
the mainstream church’s, along with our denominations’, beliefs, practices, and lifestyle are fundamentally separate from mainstream Christianity (for better and for worse - i.e; the FLDS)
but, regardless, we still proclaim the divinity of Jesus Christ, and that his sacrifice, and thus the belief in his gospel, is the only way to obtain eternal life with God.
infighting and aggression towards each other based off of myopic discrepancies is useless when the gospel of Jesus Christ is needed now more than ever.
God loves all of his children, and wants us to cooperate in gathering his children for the second coming.
But I think your beliefs about God and Jesus’ divinity are not in line with the mainline Christianity
@@niccolopaganini1782 yes that’s correct
@@niccolopaganini1782According to this video, no, but members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints believe that Jesus came to Earth, died, rose from the dead, and offers us redemption from our sins. I think that make me Christian.
@@frigidfirefilms6147 first of all the whole Joseph Smith issue, the secrecy and the extra biblical rituals, similar to freemasonry and also their Christology and Theology. We don't believe in the the same God, henceforth not Christian.
As someone who grew up in the Church of Christ , and has visited multiple from all over USA. Every single Church of Christ I’ve ever been too believes the same things as baptists. However, they take a few stands on very particular issues tho. The main ones being baptismal regeneration (but explicitly not infant baptism), sola scriptura, and individual church governance. when I say sola scriptura, I mean literally “ONLY scripture”. We don’t use musical instruments in worship because we never see a New Testament example of them being used. So we only sing as a congregation. And we don’t have an overarching body releasing statements about our beliefs and what creeds we agree with because we never read of that sort of thing in the New Testament. They only use the Bible and the examples that come from it. Anything outside of that doesn’t matter. Every church I’ve been too would agree with the Nicene Creed. But their thought process is more “all of that is in the Bible , why should I have to agree with a man written creed when I can just say I believe in Gods word”. And less “we’re a cult that believes heresy and are trying to hide it” kind of thing.
If you have any questions, I have tons of contacts from various churches or I can answer them too. But thank you for the videos! I really love them! God bless!
Yes, I’m church of Christ and that is a great explanation. This has been my experience as well!
I attend at a church of christ(not yet Christian), and I have too say this is a very good explanation of what the church of Christ is.
I go to a non-denominational that used to be church of Christ. They do use instruments but everything else is pretty spot on.
Isn't the church of christ like The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints but they don't claim the prophet succession of brigham young and onward?
@@arcondpvpno. the Church of Christ is more like the original nondenominational church in a way. the goal was to not have division and party lines and just follow what the Bible says. that being said, we agree with the nicene creed, but don’t agree with the concept of creeds as a basis of faith. that’s why we don’t “use” it
Interesting video! I liked it and it was definitely good to listen through: thanks for putting it up.
Now, as a Christian who happens to currently go to a "Church of Christ", just thought I'd weigh in...
I, as a Christian myself, don't find any problem with the Nicene Creed, but that doesn't mean I need to officially affirm it. Practically, that shouldn't make a difference to anyone: if I stick by what God actually says (the Bible), then I will be fine, and I don't need to agree with any human teaching to be God's. If other humans are waiting for me to agree with purely human affirmations about the Bible... well, that's an indication to me that they're relying more on man's way of confirming things than on God's way, which is a red flag for me. Affirm or don't, that doesn't mean anything: what matters is actually doing what the Bible says. If someone's standard is based on the words of mere men--no Divine involvement--then I think that's not very safe, and I'd run from that standard.
Besides that fact, here's another: ultimately, Jesus saves people, not churches. Jesus is looking for the people who are doing their best to be like Him, and those people can exist in all sorts of churches. Just because your church is (on the whole) aligned with the Bible doesn't mean you'll be saved; just because your church is (on the whole) not aligned with the Bible doesn't mean you'll be lost. What that does mean is that each person needs to make their own choice about how they live, knowing that they'll answer to God for their decisions. Being in a "perfect church" (if that existed) doesn't matter if you aren't actually living right. Being part of a "non-heretical church" (as the video says) and confirming Nicene doesn't matter, if you're not actually living right.
Ultimately, while this is an interesting discussion, I think that framing it in terms of "how much a church adheres to the Nicene Creed" misses the point of "how much a Christian adheres to the Bible", and that's a distinction that should be made. Inside of that umbrella, you can totally distinguish between pro- and anti- Nicene groups! But that's not what dictates a faithful individual.
That’s a really well written response and a solid counter for CoC. I think you should watch his denominations vid if you haven’t. It’s the reason for this vid, and why the classification required discussion. However, he did cite specifically that Protestants as a whole put emphasis on the Bible versus the church itself. He does have his particulars on the creed, but he highlighted the weight of the word. I still get why you felt the need to respond to his thoughts, just wanted to highlight that point.
You spoke high TRUTH a whole lot of people saying they are christian don't belong to Jesus Christ GOD Yah/Yahweh.
@@brandonchism6960 Makes sense to me: I don't know if I've seen the video you're referencing or not, but I'll look for it. I certainly think the creeds are interesting, but I don't want to put ALL my trust in a purely manmade document.
@@bingham6275 fair enough. Which version of the Bible is the go to text for CoC? Is there any conversation about text translation from Hebrew, Greek, or Aramaic? I ask because even the concept of love is muddled in translation from Hebrew to English. Better said, is the KJV for instance taken as is or is there room for nuance?
@@brandonchism6960 Every now and then you get one 'King James only' person, but I don't force my preference on others and they don't force theirs on me. I can't speak for 'the CoC' (because each congregation under that name tends to do its own thing), but I've been to a ton of different ones and I haven't seen an 'authorized version' at any of them. I have often heard about different translations and their accuracy in dealing with the original languages, and there's a general preference among most Christians I know for more word-for-word translations instead of the thought-for-thought kind, but again, everybody's different on that. I've heard preaching from KJV, the Message, and the ESV in the same sermon.
Personally, I like NASB and CSB, with a bit of ESV or NKJV or NET as well. Varied reading helps get a general sense of the text instead of getting stuck on strict English definitions that represent a general idea of the Greek words, at that doesn't really work. I prefer to read widely rather than relying entirely on any one group of human translators.
I'm probably your biggest reformed high Anglican fan. Keep up the good work. Your videos are top quality. Btw coming from a millennial, you give me hope in zoomers. Keep preaching my Presbyterian brother.
People often confuse seventh-day adventists with adventists in general. SDA do believe in the trinity and the duality of Jesus/Christ, other Adventist denominations don’t. Also, some SDA beliefs are closer to those of early Christianity (pre-ecumenical council) and Judaism.
I recently left the LDS Church/Mormonism, and have felt very confused trying to figure out what beliefs I have are true and what beliefs I need to reexamine. I'm very glad I've found your videos, as it's been pretty great to see which beliefs do set them apart and to see the fundamental beliefs of other groups. I'm hoping that slowly I'll be able to detangle my beliefs, and I hope you keep making great informative videos like always!
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@@dylanwilliams2202 Joseph Smith fails the test of Scripture. He taught blatantly false doctrine, was a false prophet, and believes in a multiple Gods.
He created a non Christian church and the Mormon gospel cannot save you.
Repent or perish... Believe in the one triune God of scripture. Your works cannot save you and you will be judged.
Dude left the church to learn more about it from someone who hates us? Can’t argue with that kind of logic
I am absolutely loving your channel. Have you thought of making a discord server?
Great idea
I don't know any christian server. that would be very nice.
@@umrapazai7484 There are alot, one I recommend is Sola Theologia
@@relajado-fx5rf i like the name
@@relajado-fx5rf the server's, i mean. Your's mean relaxed, though, right? my spanish isn't the greatest, although portuguese is my first language.
Thanks for answering my question on what makes a church Christian or not. Looks like lots of people had the same. Keep up the good work.
I am a Latter-day Saint and I appreciate your content. I think you do a good job juggling all these sensitive topics in a way that is easy digest, entertaining and educational. I want to preface what I have to say this: I don’t much care for the debate about whether we are to be considered Christians. As I see it, I am a follower of Jesus Christ and if the principles of His Gospel don’t align with the precepts that numerous professors of religion have designed for Him, then so be it. As such, I don’t care to argue about the subject. If the Nicenes wish to dismiss us from a seat at the table of Christianity, it does not bother me. I simply hope that such an opinion is formed with genuine knowledge and in a spirit of understanding.
Having said this, I want to point out and correct what I believe to be an unintentional misunderstanding of our beliefs. In the video, you say that we deny the eternal nature of God the Father and from there deny the divinity of Jesus Christ. We simply don’t. We believe that They both have, like everyone else, existed for all eternity and will forever exist. We do believe that both Father and Son spent part of Their existence as mortals like us, yes. But They, like all other mortals, existed prior to Their mortality. In other words - They are not created beings and neither are we. What we really reject is the notion of uncreated creator, because we believe things always have been and forever will be; that there was no beginning and there will be no end. Suffice to say, we have very different metaphysical views on creation, the order of the universe, the function and nature of God along with so much more. Our tradition is more developed than people are aware and much of our deeper doctrine is largely unknown and where it is found, it’s often misrepresented because we don’t turn our theology into academia as others do. We have a strong tradition of lay-clergy (every man an Elder, by way of commandment) and a religious sentiment towards the idea of the common man’s heroism. Because of that, it can be difficult to find a good resource for information on metaphysical stuff. If any of that says non-Christian to you, I’m fine with that, but I would like you to come to that conclusion for the right reasons.
And I don’t mean to come across as upset or at all demeaning - but dealing with theology, as I’m sure you know, can be really contrived. I also want you to know that I don’t think you have any malice or ill-contentment. Otherwise, keep up the good work.
Edit: explaining intentions, simplifying vocabulary, hammering in the point.
@@thekingofthings2002 I am going to edit my original comment from here because I can see how you or others might have thought I was trying to make some kind of point. But I do want to point out, even before the edit, I stated “I am not concerned about the legitimacy of exonyms.” I want to take the opportunity to restate: I do not care what classifications others choose use to label my faith. For though a “Christian” I may not be in your eyes, I am surely a follower of Jesus Christ in the eyes of our God. Disagree you may with the fundamental principles of our faith, you cannot deny our central tenant and foundation is Jesus Christ, at the very least, as we understand Him. You may think we misrepresent or misunderstand Him, just as I and others feel about other Christians. But ultimately I think anyone who is informed and unbiased can see that we do, at very least, speak of Christ and aspire to understand Him. I am wholly fine with the label Christian being withheld but I demand it be done for legitimate reasons and in the spirit of understanding.
My intention was not to make an argument as to why we should be considered Christians, I was only pointing out what I see as an unintentional misrepresentation of my beliefs. I don’t think its malicious or intentional because what he talks about in the video are concepts misunderstood by many, sadly even by some in the Church. That does not however make it any more accurate than a practitioner of my faith propping up a butchered idea of the Trinity and using it as a polemic.
All that said, I wanted to answer your question. There is nothing in the Nicene Creed or the Apostle’s Creed with which we are in opposition. I would say we oppose the principle of both; that they in truth have no authority. However, the Athanasian Creed is a point of division. We do not agree to the metaphysics of the Trinity as typically espoused by those of the Nicene Profession. If this makes us non-Christian in your eyes, I’ve already said my piece.
As a member of the church of Jesus Christ of latter day saints, (Mormon) I find your perspective interesting and never really thought of the LDS church as not a (true) or original Christian church. Although I see what you mean when you call it not a true Christian church, I of course having a different viewpoint and religion, disagree. But I respect your opinion and your extensive knowledge in other religions. the only reason I disagree is because I think being an LDS member, that we share many many beliefs with most other Christian churches and the only thing that sets us apart in the Christian world as far as being a Christian church is that we believe that God was once man and that Man will eventually become God. In the LDS church, it is believed that If man follows the commandments, and gets sealed in the temple, they will be ressurected to the celestial kingdom to then live on eternally with their family, which is the most prestigious of the three heavenly kingdoms; celestial, terrestrial, and telestial. And those in the highest tier in the celestial kingdom, will then become gods and have the abilities of god. My personal interpretation of all these scriptures is that god once was living life as man similar to us, and had a god before him, and those in the celestial kingdom who will eventually become gods will then have their own children and send them to their own earth to be tested and put to trial, and then the best of their children may become gods and do the same. I think it is an eternal cycle. And something that has no start nor end. Of course this is only my interpretation and I just started researching more of this topic after coming across this video. But I thank you, for taking me down this rabbit hole of research into my own beliefs.
I kept getting Church of ladder day saints (mormon) ads throughout this video🤣😂🤣
As a Seventh Day Adventist:
1. We believe in the Holy Trinity (Father, Son and Holy Spirit)
2. We believe that death is a sleep and judgment will only take place at the second coming of Christ, you don't go to Heaven or Hell whether you were good or bad.
3. We go to church on a Saturday because the 10 Commandments say that you must keep the Sabbath on the 7th day of the week.
We are not suspicious at all
Consider turning the music down or increasing your vocal volume. They seem to clash on my phone at least. Otherwise, great video so far
Agreed
Keep up the great work man, glad to see God using you & your channel to bring more people to a true historic faith in Christ.
I’m a Latter Day Saint of the Church of Jesus Christ, (Mormon) the only True and Living church on the earth today.
I’m not meaning to be inflammatory, I genuinely believe this. Would love to hear your perspectives, maybe even try to change my mind. I’m all ears.
Amen brother. The claim that we aren't Christian is false. Christ is our Savior and the only begotten of the Father. That is Christianity. Not the convolution of the Nicean Creed. Defend the faith brother.
Anyone that believes in the words of Joseph smith is an idiot as someone who was raised Christian but is now agnostic even I find it deeply insulting that Mormonism would be considered anything other than a cult all Mormons are delusional Jesus didnt walk across the United States 💀💀💀💀💀💀
I am here looking through the comments for discussions like this, I find them interesting.
@@JNSP-kk7py Thank you.
@@danitenotes you still don't fit the definition of Christian. You may claim to be followers of Christ but the stuff that comes with that label of Christian is not what you believe, and it is therefore misleading. LDS is somethin else--something uniquely different from any branch of Christianity.
These videos are fascinating thank you for making them, they've helped me to understand theology better. I recently converted to Christianity and attend a Uniting Methodist church. I think no matter which denomination we belong to I am happy to break bread with you all. We all worship one God
I find this definition of "Christian" to be a lot different from what I've heard before. I define being Christian as being a follower of Jesus Christ and believing that He is the Son of God and Savior of the world (different from simply believing that He existed as a prophet or good man). I've never heard that you need to believe in the Nicene Creed to be considered Christian. That definitely excludes a lot of good religions that would not define themselves as anything else.
As for The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (Mormons), yeah, we believe that we are literal children of God, and Christ is our brother. The part about God being once as we are is much less a focus than us being able to become as He is. I'm totally okay with accepting that my mortal mind can't fully comprehend what eternity is and how it works, but I firmly believe that God IS eternal. I was under the impression that lots of other Christian religions disagree on how the Trinity works (do they have bodies, are they one or not really, etc) and I don't see how this difference in our beliefs changes our status as Christian at all.
Guys, don’t worry about what denomination you go to. As long as we follow Gods word, we are saved ❤️
Not true. God accepts worship only if there are no false teachings, every doctrine must be solidly based on Bible truth.
(John 4:24) God is a Spirit, and THOSE WORSHIPPING HIM MUST WORSHIP WITH SPIRIT AND TRUTH.
Christendom's many denominations teach false doctrines from PAGAN religions that are unscriptural! You cannot please God by polluting Christianity with false teachings. That is the meaning of (Matthew 7:23) And then I will declare to them: ‘I NEVER KNEW YOU! GET AWAY FROM ME, YOU WORKERS OF LAWLESSNESS!’
@@djparsons7363if you and your church follows God’s word, than that shouldn’t be an issue
Could you do a video more on 7th day Adventists? I have a close friend who’s in that group, and I’m trying to learn more. Thanks 🙏🏼
I'm a new Seventh Day Adventist, and I can say that the main thinks hat separates us from other Christian Denominations is the day we're worship. Most churches worship on Sunday because that is what the Catholic Pope appointed as his day of authority and everyone follows after that. We believe that Saturday is the seventh day, God's mark of authority because he blessed the seventh day, the last day of the week, while Sunday is the first day. I just found your channel and I enjoy how you break down everything.
I thought the reason we worship on Sunday is because that is the day Jesus was raised from the dead.
You worship on Saturday because Ellen G White stated in "The Great Controversy" that those who worship on Sunday, aka "Sunday Worshipers" would go to hell for receiving the mark of the beast and then be annihilated. May you wake up from this evil denomination before it's too late. There are many more things to be said about SDAs but please go and do your own research. Also if you try and say that you don't believe that Ellen White is right in saying that, then you're saying she's not a prophetess and therefore saying SDA is a false denomination.
@@iwillcuturgrass3248If someone doesn’t consider Ellen white a prophet (there are some adventists who do not) that doesn’t mean the church is false. In many churches she is used to uphold and support some interpretations on the bible (usually prophecies and other things) , but outside of her writings, we have to be able to prove things using the bible, if not, we can not say we follow the bible. And even if someone consider her a prophet or not, she said that if she is found to be against the bible at some point, people follow what the bible says, not her. The church doesn’t revolve around her writings, but the bible. The sabbath is no kept in the SDA because of her interpretation of that prophecy, but because we are commanded to do so in the bible, and we believe its still a valid commandment to this day. Christian denominations differ about the interpretation of different topics on the bible, that doesn’t mean I consider evil any denomination who has different opinions in terms of biblical views. Maybe if such denominations have a GENERAL bad behavior, are manipulative, steal from people etc,. Otherwise, We have to be careful when we accuse others of being evil based on the fact that they have different views from us, and make sure we have the right understanding of that person/group/denomimation. God bless. Sorry for my bad english, its my second language.
@@iwillcuturgrass3248this is not true, SDA’s don’t believe we will be the only ones in heaven. While we believe Ellen White was lead by God, I’ve never heard the term prophetess used for her outside of this, I feel like that has some inaccurate connotations but I digress. She was the founder of the church but she’s not the basis of it. The SDA church is rooted in the Bible, Ellen White’s writings are valued but not on or near the level of the Bible. She’s considered as someone who was close to God and is very wise/gives good Christian advice, however if everything she said crumbled, the SDA church would still stand.
@@iwillcuturgrass3248 yeah... that's not why. there's a history of how the sabbath was accepted a thelogical thruth inside the sda church. it was introduced by another sister.
Your music gives me an Old School Runescape vibe. 10/10.
I’m so glad I found your site . I’m really glad for the education. God bless brother.✝️🙏🏾
Amazing video. I’m an Ex Mormon now Eastern Orthodox Christian.
I consider Protestants, Roman Catholics to be Christians and my brother and sisters in Christ.
Mormonism, Jehovah Witness, Unitarians might have true believers but their systems are not Christian, therefore I don’t consider them my brothers and sisters in Christ.
The church
that Christ established defines what a Christian is by the creeds There’s no criteria in scripture
I'm Reformed, and I've listened to some sound clips from Mar Mari, an Assyrian Orthodox Bishop, who was also recently attacked by a Muslim. I have no doubt in my mind that he is a saved child of God.
Informative video as always, Zoomer! you should totally open this server up--it'd be cool to play alongside a fellow theologian!
I'm planning to open it to the public this summer!
Sick! can’t wait!!
I just came across this channel today & it's very interesting. You mentioned not knowing much about the Christian Science religion. I joined the church at 14 & remained a devout practitioner until 2019, when I was told the church wouldn't allow me to have my gallbladder removed, even though my life depended on it. I've since joined the Mennonite church. If there's anything you would like to know, I'm more than happy to help you.
Could you perhaps expound more on their beliefs. I do know that they refrain from medicine.
I find it funny that as a 7th day Adventist, that I knew basically nothing mentioned on the denomination.
Hahahah, yeah a lot of us end up SDA in name only, similar to most of Christianity.
I made a comment that responded to everything he said about Seventh day Adventists. I’ll find it put it in a reply to you.
Warning! Wall of text incoming.
Ellen white didn’t found the SDA church. She was a founding member but not the founder. Additionally she isn’t a prophetess. She claims no authority over the Bible. She herself said if she says anything that disagrees with the Bible then go with what the Bible said.
Additionally we don’t believe true Christianity was lost. We believe that true followers of God have existed in every age. We do believe the mainstream church was horribly corrupted, and that the reformation was led by the Holy Spirit.
Seventh Day Adventists did have an origin stemming from the Millerite movement. That movement used the book of Daniel to predict the Cleansing of the Sanctuary to happen in 1844. People thought the earth was the sanctuary so they thought Jesus was going to cleanse the earth then. When He didn’t return three groups of thought came out of that. One group decided the whole thing was hog wash, another thought the date was calculated wrong, and the third thought we misunderstood what the sanctuary was. The founders of the SDA church were a part of that last one. We believe that we had the date right but that the sanctuary was the heavenly sanctuary. The one that the earthly tabernacle and temple were modeled after. And that Jesus had begun the duties of the High Priest in heaven by entering the Fathers presence, as was done in the cleansing of the sanctuary during Passover.
As you can guess from that description we believe that God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit are three entities. We believe that together they are God. As far as I can understand that is what trinitarianism is.
The anihilationism belief and the Saturday worship are both Biblically based. The more important of the two is the Saturday worship, since that is written into the Ten Commandments. We believe that if the day we worship on doesn’t matter then God wouldn’t have specified it. We also believe that the change of Saturday to Sunday was done to make it easier for pagans to be Christian without having to change their behavior. We don’t believe humans that the right or ability to change God’s eternal law.
The Anihilationism stems from several verses in the Bible. In Ecclesiastes it is said that the living know they shall die, but the dead know nothing. In the Gospels Jesus described Lazarus as being asleep, meaning that he was dead. And since it was also said that the wages of sin is death, and that Jesus died so we could have eternal life, then the wicked will not burn in hell forever and ever. That would require them to live forever. The phrase forever and ever itself was an idiom at the time Revelation was written. It could mean literally forever, or it could mean as long as circumstances apply, or until completion. The later two interpretations make more sense when we take into account that unrepentant sinners can’t live forever.
We depart from tradition because we believe tradition has departed from the Bible. We also believe that holding tradition in such high regard is what led to the Jewish leaders from being unable to recognize who Jesus was and what the messiah’s mission entailed.
Yes we do believe in young earth creation. Or at the very least, seven day creation. That is because it is integral to God’s law. The 4th commandment has two reasons given for why we should follow it. One is the same as all the other Commandments, God brought us out of slavery. The other is stated in the commandment itself, for God made the world in six days and on the seventh He rested. In other words, if God didn’t create the world in seven days, (days defined as an evening and a morning) then a flaw appears in God’s immutable law. We believe that Jesus came to fulfill the law not do away with it, and that it is easier for heaven and earth to pass away before a jot or a tiddle is altered in The Law. And the fact that The Law is unchangeable is the whole reason that Jesus had to died for our sins. So if the world wasn’t created in seven days, then Gods Law is fallible, and Jesus’ death would be unnecessary. Seven day creation is integral to the gospel as it is in the Bible.
I realized that I unintentionally called you a SDA in name only. I was directing that comment more to where he got his information from. I’m sorry if my lack of forethought was insulting.
As a Seventh-day Adventist, I tend to say that in reality it is the video that does not describe our beliefs well, not that I am unaware of them 😅
May God bless you!
Nice video!
My aunt actually goes to a non denominational church that recites the Nicene Creed every Sunday. The only difference is that they say "universal church" instead of "catholic church" because that confuses people, lol.
The non-denominational church I went to in high school did the same thing
i grew up going to a UU church and i’m being so serious when i say there were no bibles, no mentions of God, and no mentions of Jesus at all. like i didn’t even know who Jesus was for a while. people never believe me when i tell them that i got the sex talk at church when i was like five 💀
This video gives a lot of misunderstanding about the LDS church. As a member of the Church, I would like to correctly explain:
1. We believe Jesus, God, and the Holy Ghost are different and are separate Beings.
2. God was not “once a Man” and we will not “become God”; God is Eternal, and we were too, then we were sent down to Earth a a test of our loyalty. Jesus Christ is the Chosen Son who died so that we could live with God forever if we follow the Church.
3. No actual member of the church believes that “Jesus is God”, read the Articles of Faith bro there’s only 13.
I swear this guy never thought to actually read about the LDS Church, it breaks my heart because I love these videos but he really is just misinformed. I’m happy to answer any questions yall might have 💗
The Book of Mormon says that Jesus is God
If I had to guess why the Oneness debate still exists, it’s that the different between “One God in Three Persons” and “One God in three Forms” is such a fine hair to split for all but the most heady and educated believers. It’s not a doctrine that’s easy for a layperson to differentiate.
I think it has to do more of comfort in cadigorization. To say a single Person in three forms is easy to understand, and there is comfort to that. Its logically equivocal to tangible things we can witness, such as the water metaphor. While saying there is a single God, who exists in three persons, there isnt any realistic means to understand or define that more then itself. Its not really a matter of complexity, as it is a matter of comfort. Its more of milk v meat debate when i think of it.
We can never understand the fullnesss of God, as he is infinite and we are finite, what we can understand is what God is not. And though negitive affirmation, we can gain some understanding of what God is. Which is a step many arent comfortable taking because no one likes to be wrong, so instead they defend the more simplistic approach, because its easier and more comfortable to.
Really enjoy your content and have referenced it a lot when i was looking for a church after coming back to the faith. Ive been attending and serving at a smaller non-denominational church here in the West Texas panhandle for the past year and a half. I greatly relate to your take on finding what a church really believed to the point i just ended up praying about it heavily, researching and listening. Two churches popped into my head and one included a message mostly about the pastor and his hometown and the other truly felt like home and taught the word with no reservation. The pastor who ive really gotten to know in our Wednesday mens group has said something along the lines of " my names technically on the mail but that doesn't mean im any better than anyone else on the leadership or elder team". I was also baptized there in the name of the Father,Son ,and Holy Spirit. Only thing is the entire congregation says it along with the pastor. Im rambling but that's my two cents and experience in my new church home .
As a Seventh-Day Adventist I can let you know that we do believe in the holy Trinity of the Father the son and the holy ghost. I won't blame you for not knowing this simply because we're not very good at telling people what we believe. And as far as the state of the Dead an ecclesiastic 9:5 it talks about when we are dead we know nothing until Jesus comes it's not that we believe that you won't be raised from the dead we just believes that you're dead until Jesus comes he don't go straight to heaven or hell you were just in the ground
yeah of course but like the creed is literally on the website... is really clear lol.
I love your videos man, hard to find someone who explains theology in a way people can understand this days, God bless!
Plz do a video on Bible translations!!! Would be interesting to hear your perspective and what you use regularly.
I started watching your videos these days and I found them very informative and resourceful. And you know, i think the graphics presentation is better than the kingdomcraft one.
As a member of the church of Christ, I can confirm that I’ve never even heard of the Nicene creed before, but reading through it I wouldn’t be able to find a single person at my church that would disagree with it. Why we never adopted it I don’t know, but I don’t think it’s necessary for a church to accept that specific document in order to be legitimate.
Yeah, I went to a Baptist college and am a massive history nerd which is why I know about the Nicene Creed but I grew up CoC and they're still the denomination I agree with the most. Everyone I know at my old church agrees and the CoC churches I've been to agree with the Creed. There just isn't a point in adopting a formalized creed when the Bible is also very clear about it. Why is a man-written creed necessary when we have God's word?
@@HistoryNerd808 yeah, good point
@HistoryNerd808 the church of Christ is the only church that could give a chapter and verse for each line of the Nicene creed without knowing the Nicene Creed, proof of the sufficiency of scripture and that while the Nicene Creed is correct in its contents, it is not necessary for biblical orthodoxy.
@@HistoryNerd808 couldnt have explained it better
Great videos, and that Minecraft cathedral you're building is coming along really nicely!
Super interesting how some consider the Church of Christ suspicious... I've heard the thought that we're a cult before too, I've seen many videos of what a cult is and the Churches of Christ in my state are not like that. Can't speak for other CoC in other states though.
The Churches of Christ in my state just teach directly and only from the Bible and about the importance of context and also learning to grow our relationships with God and doing His Will in our lives. We do lots of serving, fellowship, teaching. My church also does not say that we are the "One True Church" or anything like that. We tend to say that all who are baptized in The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are our brothers and sisters.
Just thought I'd add some more info on a CoC. We're definitely not all the same and we don't do things the same exact way in each CoC but we sure do love God and studying HIs Word and applying It to our lives. We also tend to plan and/or attend events together with the other CoC congregations in my state. Love the connection between the Churches of Christ where I live! It's like one huge family full of love, support, care, and encouragement for you and your faith in God.
Love this! Which state are you from?
@@turnerfaughn338 I live in Alaska!
Is the bgm your composition? Im flabbergasted I must say! 👏
I left a legalistic cult so I had to go to many church's to see what it's all about but I never went to a denominational church. The idea of a denomination is a problem for me with my background. Growing up thinking my small cult was the only saved people and everyone else is an other. Denominations have a danger of creeping into that attitude so I stay away. Every nondenominational church I have been to has a board of elders or deacons who work with the pastor for the "what we believe" stuff. And they also all believe the basic core tenets of Christianity. Using anything other than the Bible to define your church's faith doesn't make sense.
Thanks for this. The idea of a "creed" is dangerous to me. I go the a church of Christ, and while most people think we are a denomination, we are most definitely not lol. Glad you broke away and are trying to find a solid church!
As a baptist, yes, we do have long interviews with out pastors before joining the church. I had several lunches with my current pastor prior to joining, where we talked explicitly about theology.
I find your take on nondenominational churches interesting. How you describe them is essentially what Christianity looked like for its first 300 years or so, with one important difference. Rather than doctrine being taught in liturgical services by a single pastor, teaching was done by mature Christian elders in a much more communal way. The point it, the church was very decentralized at its inception.
In other words, the criticisms you levy at the nondenominational churches could be levied at the earliest churches- likely even more so. Which doesn't necessarily make it wrong, but I think that context is important to understand.
As a counter example, I could point to the various Anabaptist groups that reject creeds, have no clergy, and have very loose, decentralized organizational structures, and yet still have strongly orthodox doctrinal positions.
The last couple lines of the nicene Creed define what the True Church is,
"I believe in one, holy, catholic and apostolic Church. I confess one Baptism for the forgiveness of sins, and I look forward to the resurrection of the dead
and the life of the world to come." So the true church needs to believe in the Nicene Creed, and it had to be unified, Holy in that it has the correct doctrine, catholic in that it is the true universal religion, and Apostolic, in that it traces its lineage back to the original Apostles. Only two churches do this and that's the Catholic Church, and the Eastern Orthodox Church. Every other church misses one or more of these requirements.
*"Only two churches do this"*
So... not unified.
I might’ve guessed you were Presbyterian based on your Superior Theology (TM).
Bonus points if you catch that reference.
Guess what? I'm getting interviewed by him next week! So yes I do get the reference. His skits are so funny
As a 7th Day adventist this was very informative and the reason we sabbath on a saturday is because God rested in the 7th day saturday also for somereason in my 7th Day adventist church we dont believe in young Earth creation and my bible studies and teachings are the same as christian and i am also considerd christian but i never in my life knew what a nicene creed is.
I grew up Catholic but recently became born again and identify as nondenominational. I started attending a Church of Christ before watching your channel and your videos have been super informative!
I grew up Church of Christ and can vouch that they are proper Nicaean Christians, but they have a strict ideology that prevents them from stating it. They don't recognize any creeds or church tradition at all since they aren't in the Bible. Plus every congregation is autonomous so they can't make a blanket statement for everyone. The church I grew up in actually removed its daycare and almost all of its kitchens. Some people tried banning clapping during worship since it's not acapella lol. The argument was that the Bible doesn't mention churches doing those things. This is so that they can claim to be the one true church restored. So no instruments allowed. People there got upset when I mentioned that the CoC is from the restoration movement because of this.
I got tired of it all and left as soon as I moved out of my parents' place. Currently going through some major culture shock from switching to Lutheranism, but loving it.
In a pamphlet entitled The Strength of the Mormon Position, the late Elder Orson F. Whitney, of the Council of the Twelve Apostles of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, related the following incident under the heading "A Catholic Utterance":
Many years ago a learned man, a member of the Roman Catholic Church, came to Utah and spoke from the stand of the Salt Lake Tabernacle. I became well-acquainted with him, and we conversed freely and frankly. A great scholar, with perhaps a dozen languages at his tongue's end, he seemed to know all about theology, law, literature, science and philosophy. One day he said to me: "You Mormons are all ignoramuses. You don't even know the strength of your own position. It is so strong that there is only one other tenable in the whole Christian world, and that is the position of the Catholic Church. The issue is between Catholicism and Mormonism. If we are right, you are wrong; if you are right, we are wrong; and that's all there is to it. The Orthodox and Protestants haven't a leg to stand on. For, if we are wrong, they are wrong with us, since they were a part of us and went out from us; while if we are right, they are apostates whom we cut off long ago. If we have the apostolic succession from St. Peter, as we claim, there is no need of Joseph Smith and Mormonism; but if we have not that succession, then such a man as Joseph Smith was necessary, and Mormonism's attitude is the only consistent one. It is either the perpetuation of the gospel from ancient times, or the restoration of the gospel in latter days." 1
THE APOSTLES FAILED IN THEIR MISSION. THEY NEGLECTED TO PROPERLY APPOINT THEIR SUCCESSORS. WHEN PETER DIED, THE KEYS OF THE KINGDOM WERE LOST FROM THE EARTH. THE CHURCH GIVEN TO THEM BY JESUS LAY IN RUINS, OVERCOME BY THE FORCES OF HELL. THE SO-CALLED CHRISTIAN CHURCH WAS NO LONGER THE LORD'S CHURCH. A NEW ORGANIZATION, A "GREAT AND ABOMINABLE CHURCH," CAME INTO EXISTENCE. THIS WICKED CHURCH FOUNDED BY THE DEVIL BECAME KNOWN AS THE "CATHOLIC CHURCH." IN HER CORRUPTION, SHE TOOK AWAY MANY PLAIN AND PRECIOUS PARTS OF THE GOSPEL FROM THE BIBLE, RENDERING IT USELESS FOR CONVEYING THE FULL GOSPEL PLAN. IT REMAINED AN APOSTATE CHURCH DESPITE THE KEYS OF THE KINGDOM ONCE AGAIN RESTORED TO THE EARTH THROUGH THE PROPHET JOSEPH SMITH.
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints claims to be a restoration of the original Church of Jesus Christ. In the 1820's a young man named Joseph Smith, Jr. received a series of heavenly visitations in which he was told that all the sects of Christendom had fallen away from the truth, and none of them still retained the authority of God. He and an associate, Oliver Cowdery, were ordained to the Holy Priesthood and the Apostleship by heavenly messengers in 1829, and they organized the Church of Jesus Christ on April 6, 1830. Prophets and Apostles, as well as the Apostolic authority, have continued in the LDS Church from that time. For more information about the teachings and practices of the LDS Church, see the official LDS website.
Lol. Im an ex mormon now Orthodox. Lets say Apostolic Succession wasn't true. Why would Joseph Smith be the one to restore the church and not people like Muhammed? Charles Tate Russel? Ellen G White?
Also if they disciples failed, God failed on His promise in Acts
Also, Roman Catholicism isn’t true and I’m Orthodox lol. That doesn’t make any sense.
I’ll pray for you
@@אררטי does the Book of Mormon reinforce the Bible's proclamation that you speak in tongues when you're filled with the spirit as found in Acts chapter 10:44-48?
I belive it does, there are many stories within that detail missionary efforts from one people to the next.
@@Adept_Austin Alma 9:21 Having been visited by the Spirit of God; having conversed with angels, and having been spoken unto by the voice of the Lord; and having the spirit of prophecy, and the spirit of revelation, and also many gifts, the gift of speaking with tongues, and the gift of preaching, and the gift of the Holy Ghost, and the gift of translation;
@@GregFessia Well I'm glad you were able to find a verse that references these gifts in the old testament before Jesus, but I'm talking specifically about when you're filled with the Holy Ghost. It's referenced multiple times in the book of acts that there was a visual miracle proving that someone had been filled with the Holy Ghost. Most famously in Acts chapter 2, but also chapter 8 and 10.
I caught a lot of flak for saying Mormon's aren't Christian because while they claim to believe in God, they don't believe in the God of Abraham as Christians do. They can call their God "God" and "Jesus" but that doesn't mean we worship the same God and Jesus. Their God is a created being who was elevated by his God after living a good life, and that we do the same in death. God is the creator not the created.
As an Oneness Pentecostal Christian, I have some questions about your attacks on my faith: First, the monotheism we practice is inherited directly from the Jewish faith, in which it explicitly said that the LORD is one (Deut 6:4, also Isa 46:9). Jesus Christ, God in the flesh (Isa 7:14; Matt 1:23) Himself was raised in the Jewish monotheistic religion and tradition. He told Philip in John 14:9 Whoever has seen him has seen the Father. Also, Jesus said, "I and my Father are one." (John 10:30). Jesus, raised in monotheistic Judaism, believed Himself and declared himself to be God, rightfully so. But He's declaring Himself to be God alone in line with Jewish scripture. Why else would the Jews seek to stone Him? How can you explain Jesus' persistent insistence on His Oneness, on his solely being God?
Also, touching your attack on baptism in Jesus' name only: yes, you're pointing to Matt 28:19, in which Jesus himself says that. But than why does Peter does say in Acts 2:38 "Be Baptized in the name of Jesus Christ"? Not only there, but also in Acts 8:16, 10:48, 19:5. Clear evidences of baptism in Jesus' name ONLY, by the Apostles of Christ, those who walked and talked with Him? Can you please why they Baptized in His name only in Acts?
Do you use a separate translation of the Bible? Matthew 28:19 KJV states, "Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost".
@lizzsszzy7800 oneness pentecostals believe that in Matt 28:19, baptizing in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost means baptizing in the name of Jesus who is all 3
I take religious studies in school (I'm from the UK and go to a Catholic School) and we study Catholicism and Judaism. In my Catholic Paper the first question (which is always easy and multiple choice) it said "which is not part of the holy trinity?" A: God the Son B: God the Father C: God the Brother D:God the Holy Spirit