"The Emperor Sent Us Here to Die" | Duncan and Liet-Kynes | DUNE 2021
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- Опубліковано 27 вер 2024
- Duncan confronts Dr Liet-Kynes about the betrayal. Dr Liet-Kynes, who is appointed by the Emperor, takes no side in the matter.
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She shed a tear. That's like a years worth of crying on this planet.
she spilled her water
@@avondaledyer8837she need some milk
I wouldn't understand your comment if I haven't watched Dune 2, especially when Stilgar wiped the one tear from Jessia, more like taking the water for himself. :-)
@@samsun99 Hey! She wasn’t using it!
I don't think she's crying for house atreides, but for the fact that Arrakis is condemned for another few decades of horrific oppression and exploitation under the harkonnens
The subtle differences in the ornithopter designs was genius.
Atreides = Dragonfly w/ lighter color
Harkonnen = 3 wing beatle
Kynes = small bug w/long wings
it's not just the thopters, and it's not bug mimicry, but rather house shapes.
Atreides has a very angular shape for everything, the Atreides motif on their collars, their thopters are angular with long hard edges and corners, their frigates are giant triangular prisms with sharp edges.
Harkonnen are organic and bulbous, their frigates (seen at the start of part 1), are misshapen, organic and squashed. Thopters have curved backs, and their uniforms similarly focus on curves and form-fitting.
Imperial craft go for a circular motif, the frigate (carrying the emperor's messenger at the start) is very circular, and kynes, being an *imperial* ecologist, has an imperial thopter, who's front windscreen follows a perfect circular arc.
It was probably a deliberate choice yes. But lore wise the Ornithopters are different types.
First variant [medium]: From Atreides - minimal weapons
Second variant [heavy]: From Harkonnen - heavy weapons which requires more wings and sacrifices speed
Third variant [light]: From unknown - older design, leaner, faster, had a thruster on the back of it for speed, light armor, would have been very maneuverable in it's newer state vs it's old state we saw in the film
In the second film, Harkonnen's can be seen flying the medium type and the heavier type
I really appreciate how they depicted Kynes being torn over this whole affair. We see her slowly becoming sympathetic to the Atreides yet continuing to play the loyal imperial ecologist almost until the end
In the books they are also lacing her food with an intractable poison only they have the antidote for.
@@prdgmshft9107 nah, that was with Thufir
Kynes was raised to hate the Harkonens by both kynes' father the imperial ecologist before Kynes as well as Kynes' fremen mother. But, the dream of the Fremen is a water rich green Arrakis so going against the emperor at this moment would be against that dream
Kynes' family back story is only hinted at in Dune but is fleshed out in the Dune Encyclopedia that was written during Frank Herbert's life and he said he would never say if it was or was not canonical. Either way it is a great backstory with kynes' father stopping harkonens beating up fremen and figuring out the spice cycle.
@@NoneofyourBusiness-iv6piyeah. He actually didn’t care about emperor - only the fremen
It was just a suicide to go against emperor, so he played along
Making her a woman was ridiculous though, they took away an incredibly important plot line. Kynes was Chani's father.
Man, the fact that Duncan Idaho was given a better death and storyline in this dune is great, you can feel some of his pain when he utters that the emperor sent them to die, I’m pretty sure I heard a bit of a crack in his voice too
he comes back...kinda
@@doxielain2231 I HAVENT SEEN THE SECOND MOVIE YET SHUT IT UP
@@gamewizard1239Don't worry he's not spoiling anything from the second movie it's in the later books
@@gamewizard1239shouldn’t be watching dune content my boy.
@@themajesticstick5262 I’m not
When you put into perspective that Duncan had always been a good soldier to the House and a believer of the Landsraad system and the Emperor being a sovereign leader only now to realize him and his whole house was sent to die it makes this scene sad. It's like if you dedicate your entire life to your country and how it's system works only to realize it's all lies and to your government you're nothing but expendable.
Welcome to the military
@@hotcauldron7918 No worries... by his final Ghola, Duncan is just a whiny little brat.
But is Duncan House Ginaz?
How a lot of veterans of Vietnam and the Middle East feel.
@@crazercrazer well he serves atreides, but yeah he was taught by Ginaz blade masters
"God created Arrakis to train the faithful."
"One cannot go against the word of God."
"I'll kill anyone who stands in my way, even if its a god" wait wait, wrong genre wrong book
To have that Place and Planet my silence there and the spice ,tharsywhy had god create the Planet i have a second such same Planet created
@TheT26E4SuperPershing anakin?
@@erushi5503 which book?
This movie is grand in a way many movies aren't any more. It makes me think of Peter Jackon's Lord of the Rings movies. Even some recent movies with galactic scale feel small, and cramped. Dune didn't feel small.
The one thing I'll ding it on is how minimalist it feels, despite its scope. Any plot thread or character that doesn't need to be on screen isn't. LOTR had a richness in terms of the scope of what it showed, whereas Dune is very lean in order to keep its runtime down. Like I expected a lot of Piter only for him to be on screen for three minutes. Moreso for Yueh. It's not bad, but the minimalism does change the feeling a little and make it harder to connect deeply with characters since there's less time for them to show their personalities. Some more character moments, instead of just 'world' moments or moments for pacing, may have helped ground the characters better. LOTR it never felt like a character was there and then immediately gone, Dune very much felt like that. An excellent film, but almost a bit like Tenet (or perhaps Dunkirk is a bit kinder of a comparison) in how intentionally trimmed down parts of it were. I do hope Part 2 lets the characters breath a bit more (give us Gurney's balliset playing!).
Exactly the same thoughts I have as well. Watching this movie, there were so many moments that made me think of the LOTR trilogy
@@GrandHighGamer OMG, somebody *always* finds something to complain about.........! Dude, the movie is awesome.....relax already.
watch the original and pity that Jodorowsky's version didn't fly.
@RealityCheck
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Emperor is a genius . Weakened both houses . Took away harkonnen riches. At the same time made guild happy . If he ordered sarduakar to betray harkonnen at the end of invasion , that would be cherry on top…
nah, he would not do that. that would expose his hand in the fall of the Atreides. The emperor would not remove his own plausible deniability by offing house Harkonnen on Dune with his sardukar army.
He thought he was genius, but ended up destroying both himself and his house doing this
@@jakeg3733 Only because he didn't take care of Paul when he was warned to do so.
He didnt need to weaken House Harkonenn as the were maybe rich, but highly unpopular among other houses a their military power was inferior in comparison to Imperial forces. On the other side House Atreides was serious threat from two big reasons - 1) Leto Atreides was very popular and recognized in Landsraad as he was true and charismatic leader and 2) foundation of Emperor power were Saurdakaur forces, which were superior to all other and all other Houses were afraid of them, but House Atreides has two best Swordmasters in Empire, Duncan and Gurney, and they succeeded to train small force of Atreides soldiers to Sardakaur level (maybe even surpass it)
It's easy to be a "genius" with power in your hands to call the shots. Also, the emperor has actually been acting stupid. Like the Baron says - the Emperor is a jealous man, a dangerous jealous man". He acted idiotically out of jealousy.
Dune: "The emperor sent us here to die"
Warhammer 40K " Only in death does duty end"
@Billy William Right you are!
Anything else would be heresy brother
not the Current Emperor but paul's son would be the god emperor
Lies, the Emperor protects!
@@entspannter for the Emperor!
been on this rock for a lil bit.. seen a LOT of sci fi.. the Ornithopters are some of the coolest "new" tech ive seen in a long time. The heli-copter-ness of them is spectacular.
I never thought that ornithopters as described in the books, with their flapping wings, could be achieved visually in a way that felt real and not silly. This film made them feel both real and powerful, and it cannot be understated how impressive an achievement that is.
Judging from scene, I suppose earth is damaged and her oceans gone, forcing the immortal aqua man to learn how to swim in the desert instead. Sand man.
That not A-man, That Duncan Fucking Idaho...get it right
@@Miafunfactory Its a joke you illiterate duffer
@@Miafunfactory some would say r/woosh...not me though...that's gauche
Or Sound Man
@@kalumba9348 that's for r/whoosh indeed, lol
Love those ominous hulking masses of frigates floating in the air like they weigh nothing. It has a creepy element to it.
The Atreidis knew this was coming - or at least something very similar. Thufir said as much, he just underestimated the size of the attacking force and the volume of Sardaukar involvement. House Harkonnen spent literal decades worth of wealth paying for the transport of that many troops to Arrakis - both their own and Sardaukar, who alone numbered around 200,000.
The betrayal of dr. Yue was perhaps an even stronger factor in the defeat of House Atreides.
They also vastly overestimated the timeframe it would happen in. As in they thought they had more time to build an alliance with the Fremen and prepare. Still, the fact that they didn't have more people on watch has always bothered me. If you're expecting an attack, assume it's going to happen _right now_ just to be sure. Gurney and Duncan were smarter than that, they should have made it more difficult to catch the troops with their pants down
@@jakeg3733 Yeah. Why the f- weren't all their ships in the air anyway, all the time?
The Sardaukar numbered two legions, so 60,000 men. The Harkonnens sent ten legions, or 300,000 men. The Baron told Rabban it took him 60 years to save the money for the assault. I very much doubt the Harkonnens could have won on their own.
@@jeroenarendsen If he had revealed the plot at any time before the attack, the Harkonnens would have been slaughtered and a few captured Sardaukar could have been displayed to the Landsraad - triggering an all-out civil war that would have no doubt destroyed Houses Corrino and Harkonnen and many other Great Houses besides.
Some of the best acting seen from Jason Momoa and Shannon Duncan Brewster. Wow.
yeah I was surprised with the quality of his acting in this movie too.
Really, really good. At first I wondered how it was going to be because in the book Liet Kynes is a guy. She nailed the role. I hate any kind of arbitrary race or gender swapping (as in doing it for that purpose alone) but this was very well done and felt true to the spirit of the book
Death Korps of Krieg :
First time ?
Actually 40k was heavily inspired by Dune, probably most out of any Sci Fi that took from Dune.
@@jukaa1012 did I hear herecy in your voice?
@@jukaa1012 I believe it especially when I first saw the Sardaukar
Life could be a dream....
@@genericusername8337 bro how could that joke went over your head is beyond me. EEEEVRYONE (Gary Oldman voice) know that 40K stole everything. It's just fun , dont look into too hard. It's all love here. Have fun out there
Frank Herbert as a Writer is definitely on the level of Tolkien
Tolkien innovated the fantasy genre and sent it forward and had a huge influence in its evolution
same with Herbert and how he pushed Sci-Fi forward, you can see the influence in big franchises like Star Wars and even George RR Martin's A Song of Ice and Fire(Game of Thrones)
Dune has depth, the books really get you to think about Politics, Society, Psychology, Evolution and Mankind's path in general, as he himself said "I wanted to warn the human race about charismatic leaders" I don't remember the rest of the quote LMAO, it's definitely a must read, the next episode is gonna blow people's minds.
Ironically Tolkien hated Dune a lot but since being a gentleman he doesn't want to make a big thing out of this and jeopardy Herbert career so Tolkien kept this mostly to himself.
@@longwlenguyen4214 I chalk it up mostly to his catholic worldview. I mean an entire plot point to the books is how Bene Gesserat manipulate culture and religion. And the entire first book is in-part about creating a false-christlike character and the effect on the universe that it has. No strong Christian is going to sit well with those ideas.
If you think about it, the book Game of Thrones is a bit of a rip-off from Dune at least in the first arc, Eddard Stark the honorable man is chosen as Hand to the King the most powerful position a noble can ever dream of, he goes to the capital the beating heart of the realm but at the end of the day his hands are tied, he is betrayed and his retinue is slaughtered to the last man and woman while his children are either dead or on the run. If you change a few things it is basically the same thing, although the main difference is that the Atreides knew they were being sent into a trap, they just didn't know how complex the trap was or how far their enemies wanted them dead. Eddard Stark and his family on the other hand never saw the trap, in fact, they never will.
@@Ar1AnX1x Yeah Herbert is also a Conservative, an American Conservative but he more libertarian and his mistrust of Mcarthyism and the Republican due to the red scare and Nixon era. While Tolkien is more British Conservative, two different side but the same coin. Herbert multiple time show his dislike of Unionist and activist.
@@Ar1AnX1x Herbert hated left leaning politics, well since he also hated the Soviet Union at the time.
"The Emperor sent us here to die"
Sound design guy: "Okay,3,2,1 step on the singer's foot"
Singer: 0:55
brooooo, lol
Yeah I won't lie I giggled a few times in the theatre because I thought the sound design was a little too dramatic in certain situations, such as this one
Lmfao☠️☠️
@@peanut703 I too hate this constant chanting, gets annoying and tacky really fast.
@@flybeep1661 The chanting reminds me of ALLAHU ACKBAAAAAAAAARRRR!!!
**explodes**
I didn't noticed she cried here even after multiple rewatches. It's a "blink and you'll miss it" moment.
Ocean man, take me by the hand
Lead me to the land that you understand
Ocean man, the voyage to the corner of the globe
Is a real trip
Ocean man, the crust of a tan man imbibed by the sand
Soaking up the thirst of the land....
Woah.
I remember reading this epigraph at the start of one of the chapters of Dune.
Bruh 😂😂😂
Wait. Wait what
Hold da phone
If Keyenes only serves Shai Hulud and the Fremen. While still being in the employ of the Emperor to csre for Arrakis. Then he/she should have known better than to sit on the sidelines and have the fremen not throw in with the Atriedes right away.
Duke Leto has a reputation of being a good and fair person. Who cares for his subjects and treats his fiefdom well. The Harkonnens on the other hand had spent decades brutally oppressing arrakis and would do so again. The fremen have nothing to lose by helping the atriedes survive the harkonnen plot. As no matter the outcome. They can just go back to hiding in the desert. If the Duke and Paul survived the attack with the fremen aid. Then Leto would probably grant them the most of the planet and a share of spice mining profits. Leto then sits on arrakkis with control over the spice and desert power. While the Emperor and Baron seethe
The Fremen have literally everything to lose. If they rise up their true numbers can be shown. They’ll be hunted whereas for now they’ve bribed the spacing guild to not have satellites over the planet so they can toil away with their plans to turn Arrakis into an oasis.
@@ryanquinn1257 the Harkonnen already hunted them. Leto wouldn't and no one could either with Leto still in control. They don't have to show their true numbers either. Just Stilgar and one or two other seitches could have turned the battle.
Spoilers: Leto gains the loyalty of his subjects by offering honor & fortune, but it’s really for his own gain & creating longevity for his lineage. In truth his aspirations were to become emperor himself, which later comes to fruition through his heir. Leto can actually be a quite calloused, calculated, & ruthless man to his enemies, which probably stems from his Harkonnen heritage.
@@peteravellaneda9499 Indeed. Leto is only honorable when it serves his interests and his aim from the beginning was to use the Fremen as his own army to fight back the Emperor and the Harkonnens.
He would have had no interest in the Fremen if they were weak like the Palace people.
It all came to fruition only after his death though.
Prolly would have happened if he had more time to build the alliance. Reputation is one thing but the Fremen don't know jack shit about the duke really.
"I am ashamed to say your name. Duncan Idaho?"
"You're not supposed to say it out loud!"
Unlike the movie, in the book the Atreidies knew that sardukar would come.
She takes down her veil and then the ship lands blasting sand in her face. Everyone is like "wow dune so good"...
Bravo Vince 👏🏽 Bravo 👏🏽
00:50 That's what I said when stationed at Fort Polk LA
Dune : the Emperor has an entire planet full of trained warriors.
40K : dat's cute
Warhammer was inspired by Dune. Wait untill God-Emperor arrives.
@@abyrvalg_ Warhammer 40k is basically taking a bunch of different sci-fi and mashing it all together like if you were a kid and you had action figures from each franchise and played them all together.
At least the early 40k was, nowadays it's much more of a generic setting with a lot of those Dune-like elements stripped away.
Let’s put this rubbish to bed quickly. The character’s alteration in this adaptation is gender alone. It is never mentioned what skin colour the good doctor has in the book; only that he is a man.
This adaptation has a different approach to some elements than some were expecting - but I would argue that every damn one is an improvement. (A small example being that Fremen never used the sand to camouflage themselves before attacking in the book - that was invented entirely for this film and it works so well that it has some fans asking “Why didn’t Frank Herbert write that? Seems obvious the Fremen would do that.”)
Liet should be a different ethnicity than the fremen. To make him the obvious outsider.
While Paul does ask if luet is a fremen. This is more to the eyes, and Paul's inexperience and budding messiah powers. Than liet looking just like his fremen guards.
"every one is an improvement" ah yes, making the doctor a woman saved the movie. Imagine if the doctor had been a man? who could have taken the movie seriously? lol.
@@sl600rt Liet was born on Arrakis, half Fremen half whatever. The father Pardot Kynes was a different ethnicity. Liet embraced both the scientific approach of Pardot as well as the Fremen way of life. So it makes sense for him/her to look like the other members of their sietch.
@@sl600rt Well she is of African ethnicity while the Fremen are largely middle-eastern so even if that aspect matters a lot to you it still holds up. She played the role perfectly. I don't see any reason people should be complaining, and to be fair I've seen way more people pre-emptively defending the casting decision than I have seen people actually having a problem with it.
@@bengale9977 you're focusing too much on a very minor point
Emotional or awe moment.
0:07 HEEEEEEEEEEHHH!
God, that crack in Jason Momoa's voice when he said the line, such great emotional delivery
You feel the realization of the betrayal
Also, another proof that sometimes even actors that are considered average can definitely shine when they are provided with a good script, I've always knew he was capable of stepping up, but this is by far the best acting I've seen from Jason Momoa in decades.
"That thing's gonna kick up a lot of dust - time to remove my face-covering."
"The Emperor sent us here to die"
Book accurate Liet Kynes would be like: "yeah no shit" 😂
when i hear " KAWAAAAAAAAAIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII " i fell that
They weren’t murdered
They just lost
Exactly. They tried to put up a fight against the Sardaukar, but you just can't go up against such an elite force. No one goes up against the Sardaukar and survives.
@@costco_pizza Until part 2 anyways.
@@kukuc96 That dude, costco_pizza literally goes into every Dune video and says this exact thing. He needs more to do if he has time for that.
@@costco_pizza wrong. The only reason the Atreides lost is because of Yueh's betrayal allowing the Harkonnen forces and Sardaukar to take them COMPLETELY by surprise.
You have to give the fremmen major tip of the hat, they shed a few tears. In their culture you NEVER EVER waste bodily fluids. But she wept for them.
“Haaaaaaaaaa aaaaahhhhh eeeeeehhhh!” - some dune chick
It would be really interesting to see this movie, without any music in it.
Duncan has the saddest life in the Dune universe, nearly as sad as Leto the II and his metamorphoses into the worm god. No wonder he tried to kill Leto.
man, these comments really serve to outline how some people only take the parts of a story that really resonate with them, and serve to exasperate their prejudices
Well primarily white, primarily American, primarily republican men are shifting more and more towards the alt-right nowadays. It's pretty common, even if they'd deny it.
I've not personally been surprised because I saw the exact same thing occur when the last jedi came out. Rather than take issue with the writing, guys like the EFAP crew, the quartering, and critical drinker, amongst many others used the opportunity to absolutely smear and some to even harass actors they decided they didn't like, primarily being women and minorities. Sure, they also pointed out the flaws in the writing, but they'd always find a way to wrap it around to people like daisy ridley being "woke" because at the end of the day the bad aspects of popular films are just a reason to further spew culture war rhetoric.
The moment I saw Kynes was a black woman instead of a (Herbert never specified their race) *white* man, I knew what they'd do. It's sad how predictable it's become. They'll quote MLK without hearing a word he said.
Massive retweet. She played the role quite well and it didn't negatively impact the movie. I would even say it was a bit enhanced by it.
@@SolarFlareAmerica all criticism of women is because sexism and all criticism of non-white people is because racism. They are above reproach and can do no wrong
@@SolarFlareAmericaNow we live by quotas. Can't leave anyone out!
@@SolarFlareAmerica Check out the brain on UnsungHeroRising! Witness her virtue!! 🤣
Shannon Duncan-Brewster should change her name to Shannon Idaho-Brewster in honor of this scene.
Jason is in dune much different than aquaman
I agree.
In Dune, he is Duncan Idaho, Swordman of Ginaz.
Here after Heretics, I cant look at him the same way knowing what i know 😢
That soundtrack 💦
The biggest mistake of his life.
Kind of like being an America Citizen
This is probably an unpopular opinion, but this scene would have been so much more powerful without the soundtrack. Having "nyyyaaa nyyyyaaaa nyyyyaa" blasted at full volume is a detriment to this scenes.
I disagree, it adds so much more. You can still hear the dialogue quickly but the soundtrack here elevates the emotions a lot.
Yeah, there’s so many great Sufi / Qawwali music they could’ve taken inspiration from, but the chants they used sound terrible and really distracting.
Yes. This was one of my major problems with the film in general. The soundtrack made me take major points away from the movie. I get what they were doing but it was so terribly done throughout. The movie might even be worse than the David Lynch adaptation for such misteps.
@You can’t See me That's why I said "inspiration", and the movie already has bagpipes lol
@@MsDragonbal776 What're some other missteps, in your opinion?
I wonder if Denis will reveal that Kynes is Chani's mother (father in the books).
I love the fact that there's DE in the future... pffttt
Dont worry Duncan, you'll outlive everyone ( At least by DNA)
did duncan not die ?
Wish Kynes was a man icl
Amazing scene. Low the visuals (the scenary) and the underlying drama.
man i really wanna know if those wing mechanism is applicable in nowadays tech
It's actually possible to make one, But only with the size of an RC toy or small drones, not at a great scale like the size of a transport Helicopter. But people still prefer using a rotor with propeller because it still more efficient way to levitate the object.
this movie would've been cooler if they all wore environmental suits over/under their clothes
hey im Hans Zimmer and im ruining every scene possible
glad I'm not the only one who feels he completely botched this overly intrusive score.
I can't understand the compulsion modern writers have for changing scenes and characters to make them more emotionally fragile.
Wonder why they didn't gender swap Duncan, too?
This female wailing sounds so overdone in movies
People say that the gender swap didn't affect the narrative, but in a book there were at least three major details concerning Liet being male:
Firstly, there was father-son relationship between Pardot and Liet Kynes. Liet was continuing work of life of his father and this is an ancient trope and custom which would definitely add to feudal future. It wasn't some random arc, it was a repetitive intentional trope, a reflection of Paul himself becoming Duke (and Leto II becoming even greater than his father), of Emperor not having male heirs.
Secondly, Liet was referred almost as God and throughout history God was a male figure. Fremen weren't an exception as they refered the sandworm as the Old Man of the Desert as he gave them transportation, spice and crysknives. And in the third book the deadly burning sun is on other hand refered as Woman-Sun.
Finally, both Paul and Chani lost their parents because of Harkonnen and both of them being fathers makes the bond between them much stronger.
I hope they genderswap Leto Atreides II
"this is an ancient trope and custom which would definitely add to feudal future"
I am not buying this because the Duneverse only has the weakest trappings of feudalism, and presumably Herbert put it there primarily to show that this far future human civilization was falling into decay. You can find more feudalism in a Jane Austen novel, with its strong patriarchy, plot stumbles caused by primogeniture, and intra-family arguments about status and money.
If this Liet-Kynes character had much more screen time to be developed, it is conceivable that I could see your other arguments mattering even a little. But the movie, as it stands, is very laser focused on Paul's personal journey, and we do not have time for anything you just said to carry any weight for me.
@@ComradeOgilvy1984 In the book, Kynes and Chani don't share a single scene. The only time Kynes and Pardot speak is when Kynes is hallucinating, right before his death.
Meh
right. because we all know a daughter could NEVER carry on her father's legacy.. JFC u just wrote an essay full of nonsense signifying nothing nor pointing to any negative impact the change of race has on the adaptation.
I remember all the weirdos losing their shit when Kynes was gender-swapped. Now I can't imagine anyone else as Kynes.
lol be quiet goofy. The gender and race swap is clearly pandering to woke politics. Woke politics are inherently weird.
A few complained about the genderswap for me my only gripe was they missed the chance to cast a famous older actor/actress to go into the footsteps of Max Von Sydow who played Kynes in the original movie. But they already have a star studded ensemble cast and dont have infinite money so it does make sense they cast someone lesser known. She did fantastic though and to be honest is more believable as a fremen than Max.
I always pictured Kynes as younger than Sydow. Or at least, younger than the character he portrayed. He often did this, which made me confused about his actual age in his last role, Game of Thrones - at 87.
Liet Kynes as someone in their 30s-40s, like this actor, is pretty much exactly what I imagined. And I very much agree, Max was not at all believable as a Fremen. @@BlaneNostalgia
'...the emperor sent us here to die...'?!
Errr. Yeah you guys already knew it was a trap before you even arrived on Arrakis !
What a pointless scene!
I think its more of the fact that he is still trying to absorb the news.
The acting in this movie was so wooden and dialogue delivery meh. I just can't take any of the atreides as regal. They're too familiar, use basic language and really won't come across as royalty.
If only blade runner was as good as this movie. This movie with Hand Zimmer made it stand out
It is.
Blade runner 2049 is a better movie and has a better score compared to Dune
That screaming noise is annoying
The acting is horrific
You obviously haven't seen David Lynch's Dune '84, or the Miniseries from 2000...
This is the feeling I got when I went to Wawa during the heatwave "Siptopia" , or whatever, and the GenZ punk behind the counter is like "all crafted drinks are down." Like wtf? More like you don't want to work. Never again
lol GenZs are all emotionally incontinent panzies who want to change their gender.
dune: culture appropriation
It never was. The fremen we're descended from an ancient Islamic tribe
@@MsDragonbal776 Buddhislamic if I recall correctly.
ya...but this fits in with zendayas character too
I get representation and all that but why do they always replace the redheads? they even darkened Jessica's hair.
What?
@@davidlewis5312 redheads are the smallest minority, genetically different to all other white people, and still the butt of jokes to this day. But they're white, so Hollywood considers them worthy of replacement.
space kenyan
This version of Liet was an utter POS.
In the novels, and every other adaptation, Liet is a man, a white man.
I’d argue this version makes alot more sense. It’d be easier for someone like her to blend in with the fremen rather than Max von Sydow, a middle aged (at the time) german white man
Well the book doesn't say weather black or white just man
@@user-M2CE it really doesn't. See Dune is all about not judging by the surface and this change is direct opposition to the book and the themes within.
@@DemitriVladMaximov i guess? Still
@@jking-thareal2694 the book says, very clearly, what the sun and weather have done to his skin.
This movie is a woke fiasco and has permanently damaged the franchise.
Please find the investor names and boycott them!
What are you talking about
I'm quite against the forced 'diversity' in media at the minute. But it's not quite so offensive in this movie.
She was the worst part of this movie, diversity hire that couldn’t act. If you’re gonna change the race, gender and plot of a character at least find someone that can display emotion.
I can tell you never read the book because kynes race was never mentioned in the book.. And also she did great at her role, Enhanced the movie imo.
That was my issue too. Idc about the character’s race, the actor is terrible. Same with Ferguson and her two facial expressions.
@@acamelwholikescoke4641 It Definitely did, he’s described as a tall man with long sandy hair(dirty blond). What race has dirty blond hair? It doesn’t matter to the story what his race is either way, but she’s a shitty actor that contributed nothing to the story.
@@LordJagd mhm agree
She was just a generic, tough black woman in the movie. Book Liet-Kynes is probably one of my favorite characters in Dune.
The only thing I wasn't a fan of was the soundtrack.
This was a good movie but the score got annoying as hell.
ummmmmmmmm!!! I certainly DO NOT remember this in the book!!!!
I repeat, "WHAT AN ABSOLUTE STINKER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! of a movie!!!!!!!"
To you all who do like this new version, well, enjoy,
I remember cannon, origin, and story lines!!
Canon*
Why is it that a lot of ranty comments always follow this style of short disjointed sentences with all caps and loads of exclamation marks, it's like the old people yelling on Facebook kind of thing.
I doubt you've actually watched the movie.
Congrats, nobody cares.
@@jack1701e who in the hell are you, Andy Rooney????!!!!! I know!!! You are a ranty TROLLLLLL!!!, and you know about facebook!! You're just special!!!!!
If you're loyal to the book I fell like you should understand that's pretty much impossible to adapt it one to one unless you want the movie to be a 4 and a half hour mess. There's definety stuff that got cut that I missed like all the world building and politics that happens before the Harkonnen attack, or the atreidies being more conniving as a faction, but what was left on the cutting room floor was to give the movie an actually satisfying pace. Finally having a director like Villaneuva, who's genuinely loved dune from a young age leading this project is such a blessing. Plus I feel like no one talks about how much effort was put in the visual story telling of this movie
Never read the book or watched the movie
Ok…
So why are you even watching this video and then commenting this useless statement?
@@urneighbortotoro1580 cry about it
@@TheFireflyGuy cry
@@tommysoliz3064 are you crying?
Making Liet a woman was such a dumb decision.
Why?
Whos this woman
Christopher Walken (Kangaroo Jack) sent Charlie and Lewis to Australia to pay for their own execution
Christopher Walken (Dune) Sent Duke Leto to die in Arrakis.
It's like poetry... they rhyme.
Well what would you expect from the headless horseman?
Jason’s voice cracking when he delivers: “the Emperor sent us here to die.” was probably not intentional, but it made that line speak volumes.
Considering his entire house was extinguished overnight he has to be feeling grief, anger, confusion, etc. That little break in confidence adds all that to such a small (but important) line of dialogue.
Of course it was intentional. He's acting
What a perfectly scored scene. The music set the just the right tone and intensity between these two. I love this movie more each time I see it. A modern masterpiece.
God, the ‘thopters are amazing
None of the Star Wars movies ever had this grand scale feel to them. They always tried to pander to the merchandising and kids. Only the last one tried to approach that, but didn't succeed on the level Dune did. Star Wars was "fun", this was EPIC, as some have said, like LOTR.
Lucas has always said that Star Wars movies are at there heart, kids movies. They got darker over time, but episode 4,5, and 6 are practically G rated by today's standards.
New Hope was not only epic in 1977, it was the epic.
much like Trix, Star Wars is for kids
that’s a good thing, doesn’t need to be anything it’s not
Dune and LoTR are both on a grand scale that Star Wars could only reach if Disney would get their priorities straight, which they can't. Even then, I think it would be tough because like you said Star Wars feels more fun, but Dune just sucks you into a dark, mesmerizing universe thanks to the quality of it's writing, and in the case of this movie the production
Legends Star Wars was definitely on par with dune and lotr. Ashame that Disney had to discard all that great material.
Well this kynes had better end than novels in novels it was so dark and frustrating
Who commanded her to see and say nothing? The Emperor?
Yea
@@abhinqv3490 Thank you.
Read the books. 😉
This has a strong “this has all gone wrong” atmosphere.
The ruthless driving expectably muddle because atm relatedly alert across a curvy knot. weary, slim catsup
Sharon Duncan-Brewster did an amazing job. I was hyper negative of the race-swap at the beggining and other shenanigans I saw, but the movie turned as good as you can get for an adaptation.
It's not the point if she did a great job. The point is why they swapped races. 😉
@@matarr222 if the point is moot when it works, the question is why not?
@@matarr222 why do you think the race of the actor is important? Villinueve cast the actor he felt best fit the character as he envisioned it, and it worked. The color of Kynes' skin has literally zero bearing on the character. It is not in any way important.
@@matarr222 Why do you think it matters in this context? If it is not a historical context or of historical significance with respect to veracity then I doubt that it matters much.
@@matarr222 Herbert actually never specifies Kynes skin color in the books so the only thing they swapped is the gender. Nice try though.
I really wish they had edited those background vocal tags out of the final score. They're jarring, far too frequent, and bit too on the nose.
Ocd much
@@jukaa1012 you think making a movie isn't an ocd-fest
It is awesome, but I'd tone down this screaming music a bit for the sequels.
I want Blue Eyes too . . . No wait
not a very powerful house if they can be so easily outmanouvered and extinguished
Kind of hard to counter a move that was 50 years in the making that you had days to prepare for.
Well the Atreides were not only sabotaged but also caught off guard AND you had the fact both the Harkonnen army and the Sardaukar attacked the Atreides on Arrakis. There's only so much that can be done. The Emperor and Baron Harkonnen knew in a fair fight they would never best the Atreides' legions.
it wasnt extinguished, only one member of the lineage died
I heard from Johnny depps lawyer that Duncan Idaho will come back in book 3, is it true???
you can just search it up. Not like the book is new...
I'd Hayt to spoil it for you.
No it is definately not true
@@systemofafox6487 actually after that i read all the books so i get it now 👍
@@systemofafox6487 I see what you did there.
The gender and race swap for Kynes was a bit unnecessary, but the rest of the film was good.
His race is not specified in the original novel his character is only gender swapped for the movie. If your gonna try to critique the movie based on the book at least read the book first.
I'd argue it WAS necessary because I wanna see what happens to all the rightoids if we gender and race swap every character in cinematic and literary history. Should be good for a mutual laugh.
Side note but Kynes' race was never specified by the author.
@@SolarFlareAmerica when are we gonna get a white T’Challa?
@@jb76489 tell me you don’t get dune without telling me you don’t get dune
@@uberco0l257 black panther features heavily in dune does it?