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TMCC/Legacy/DCS Cross Compatibiity Questions Answered
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- Опубліковано 4 вер 2024
- I've been asked many times which systems can control what engines, so here's a video that will hopefully answer those questions. Enjoy. Check out my train blog at www.ericstrains.com
Videos are still helpful more than a decade later! Great content eric!
I know this video is old but I'm coming back to the hobby. I had to get out of it around 2005 for life reasons and now I got more time. This video was so helpful!!! Thank you!
Eric, Thank you so much for this video! Now I understand clearly what people have been trying to tell me, but couldn't get through my thick skull. ;-)
Lionel
Just ordered up a Legacy command system, this video was very helpful, thank you for putting this up!
Hello Eric, just wondering if you could help me. I run Lion Chief, Lion Chief + 2.0 locomotives. I also run one MTH Western Maryland RS3, and Williams Erie F3’s. This is my question; I have 2 MTH Z1000 transformers. I want to run a double rail during Christmas season with 4 switches, and 2 sidings. The 4 switches will connect the inner and outer loops together. I know how to isolate, the switches. I’m going to isolate the inside and outside rails at the switches, having polarity properly phased. Will there be a problem for the locomotives and or the transformers while crossing the switches?
Thanks for the information Eric, I recently bought the Legacy System and I plan on buying the MTH System within the next few months. Now I know what I need to do when I get it.
@97trainman Yes. You can classic TMCC engines with it. You can also run conventional engines with it if you purchase some extra equipment.
Excellent Explanation of these 2 different power control systems. Kudos to you!
MTH sells a slightly different cable for the TIU-Legacy connection. The Legacy and/or TMCC base connects to the track via a single wire that goes to the outer rail.
You are a great contributor to our hobby, Thank you!
Thank you Eric for this video. This helps tremendously as I run both MTH and Lionel.
I was told explicitly that a MTH Z4000 cannot power a Legacy...so I bought a ZW on ebay. Until I see for myself why, I don't understand why MTH power bricks won't power up Legacy...still waiting on my Lionel "Hybrid" :-) . Very informative video...should answer alot of questions, Eric...thanks!
@Trainmaster189 Running two conventional engines on the same track won't damage the engines. The problem is that you have no control over each individual engine. Command control lets you control each engine seperately.
@Trainmaster189 It's not required, but they recommend it so you don't have any interruption of sound if your engine goes over a dead spot on your layout.
@Por2gesDiesel If you want to run Legacy/TMCC engines on your layout, just get the Legacy command base and remote and hook it up to the output channel of the TIU. It's pretty simple.
Eric, very informative for grandad getting back to model trains after a 50 year hiatus! I moved to original TMCC with two CAB1 remotes. Purchased some TMCC and Legacy engines and use it for my 15 remote/wireless switches. Everything is great. Been learning about MTH and frankly wish I knew about it sooner. Regardless, I want to expand with DCS. My intuition is that after I join the systems I'll be able to use the DCS Remote and the CAB1 remotes, correct? 2 grand kids know/ use their own CAB1 and want to make sure the 15 switches on the CAB1 and/or DCS remotes. I'd learn the DCS Remote and use it. Thanks!
excellent explanation of these three systems.. I am one of those brand new to O scale guys you referred to in this video.. so, this was very informative and helpful.
Big help thanks . Still learning glad have great advice on here .
Thanks so much man just getting into Legacy this helps a bunch
Thanks you answered all the questions I needed to know
@DEATHWISHYT2 The legacy wire can be connected to the ground wire on the output side of the TIU.
Watching this now because I got a cab2 remote..... now base 3 is about to drop lmao 🤣 way too many systems and I'm very new to the hobby. I've learned that having the remote is nicer than doing it through my phone. Cab2 is considered obsolete when it's actually not in my opinion.
TMCC trains do have a train brake. It's just a button on the Cab 1 remote instead of it being a scroll wheel.
You still need the Cab1 Remote to set some features like setting a speed limit on TMCC engines which you can't do with the DCS remote.
Yes, you can.
@edhayes311 If you've got legacy, you don't need the old TMCC command base.
@PMJCoasterDesign you can use the ZW
Ok, i am buying 2 or 3 Legacy engines, but will be buying tons or Proto 2 and 3's, i have the DCS, do you think i should also get Lionel's legacy controller to access all of the legacy features, like quill able whistle?
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@97trainman I'm not entirely sure as I do not run conventional engines on my layout.
@Trainmaster189 I've never heard of that. You should be able to use Lionel trains with an MTH transformer without any issues. It's just a transformer.
Eric, I am confused! I first got a Legacy locomotive with the cab1 and the other part that came with the cab1. I changed my track to mth Realtrax and I wired my wires from underneath the table. Now I noticed the track has cutouts for parts that you slide in the side that have lights and connect the negative and positive wires. Now I bought a new mth locomotive that I would like to run at the same time. My question is, do I disconnect the wires under my layout and add a lot more of those pieces that slide into the side of the rails? Cause of right now I don't get any smoke or sounds. Plus I would like to get the mth dcs controller. I hope you can help me. I love watching your UA-cam videos! You are so down to earth and explain everything.
@spartan0738 The Legacy base does not power the track. You need a transformer for that.
@nukinfuts1000
"Normal" TMCC units don't have the quillable whistle/horn feature. Only Legacy units let you do that.
@MthRailFanatic Yes, you can.
in a nutshell...yes. Like I said, until I start messing with my Legacy (still in the box), I won't know what they were talking about. Assuming they are wrong like your saying, my ZW can power accessories and the like...no biggie
TMCC Controls: Hornby O Gauge, Conventional, TMCC, and Legacy locomotives. (Conventional [including Hornby O Gauge] needs a PowerMaster or TPC to be operated by TMCC Remote)
Legacy Controls: TMCC and Legacy no conventional.
Hi Eric, I just purchased a Lionel Heisler and want to run it on my DCS powered layout. This marvellous video of yours explains how to do it easily, however I am a bit confused as to the part number of the 'Lionel command base' given that they are old and no doubt came in many revision levels etc. Which unit do you recommend I purchase? Part number?
Keep up the good work on your videos... they are very professional. Cheers Pete from Sydney
Thanks. Well done.
@MthRailFanatic Right.
How to setup Lionel Tmcc base with Mth dcs system thanks John
What is the name or part number of that cable that connects the TIU to the tmcc base?
@CookiesAndGuns95 The MTH system will run any Proto-Sound 2.0 engine. No, they should not interfere.
Is this cable you speak of either of the ones that come with the original lionel remote or the Legacy ? Or is it something entirely different ?
I’m new Eric, what are all the thing on the right, left and middle. You can use a remote? Two last questions now, can I use a remote with all these systems and can all these systems and remote be used with old time track?
TIU/TMCC 6' Connector Cable
Hey that helped a lot! Thanks!
Very informative video- great job! Iam planning on getting DCS- can you run conventional trains-you can run them without being programmed into the system right?
@esiegel76 Im sorry, I didnt understand something. Can you quill the whistle/ horn on normal TMCC engines with the legacy remote?
thanx very very helpful
Yes.
Eric - I have an MTH z4000 transformer, a TIU, and a DCS remote w/ base. I want to run my Legacy, TMCC, and DCS locos on the layout. I know this is possible because of your video. Can you please tell me what Lionel products I need in order to do this. Is it simply the Legacy remote and base or do I need anything else. Thanks so much.
@ELMSLines I wouldn't buy a legacy engine without having the legacy system. You just miss out on too much cool stuff without it.
Is it possible to lashup MTH dcs and lionel Tmcc locomotive to pull the same train.
Do you mean that someone told you that a MTH Z4000 cannot be used to power a Legacy engine???? That's completely incorrect.
eric you can run non-tmcc engines with tmcc u just need a PowerMaster or a TrackPower Controller or you can install a TMCC chip inside the engine. [you probably know this but Im just reminding you]
What is the name or model number for the wire that connects the DCS TIU to the Lionel Legacy controller? Also does MTH or Lionel make the wire?
Dear Friend: I have a question, may I connect Lionel Legacy System in my layout to operating Legacy and TMCC Engines, and, in the same layout connect MTH DCS to operating MTH & Conventional Engines? I am thinking in connect both in my MTH Z-4000. I hope you can help me. Best regards from Mexico.
The complete system run about $299.
Do you think if i bought a legacy bace (#990) that it would be able to power 75 feet of track in a loop, and good enough to run 2 of lionel's new ES44AC diesels without them dimming down?
thx, helpful information
@austrobb yes
So if you connect the legacy to dcs can you still use the legacy controller or do you have to use the dcs controller because that’s what’s hooked up to the track?
What is the product number for the cable that connects the Legacy System to the TIU?
Can I operate the the track switches with the DCS remote?
What Lionel command base (model number) would you recommend for my DCS system so I can run lionel TMCC? When shopping for them, I notice multiple product numbers. Thanks!
no because you can't program the remote into the command base for the starter set
When controlling Legacy locos with DCS, do you have to place 9V betteries when operating them?
Eric, In conventional transformer powered layouts, do you know why I cannot mix Lionel locos with MTH transformers?
I'm Just A Little Confused. If You Have Dcs And If You Have Legacy When You Hook Them Up Can You Still Use The Legacy Remote Even If You Have Dcs?
Eric I have a question regarding the MTH DCS Commander Controller. Is it possible to hook that up to the Lionel TMCC Classic Power instead of the legacy?
CSX2057 Yes.
@esiegel76 if i run TMCC locos, and buy the legacy system,i have to switch the legacy to TMCC setting right.?
ERIC, I WANT TO CONVERT OLDER TWO RAIL O GAUGE LOCOMOTIVES TO TMC. I FOUND THE ELECTRIC RR CO CRUISE COMMANDDER M DIESEL ODYSSEY LOCO AND THEY HAVE A SOUND UNIT. ARE THERE OTHER SYSTEMS AND HAVE YOU SEEN AN INSTALLATION VIDEO? DCS FOR EXAMPLE?
Can the TIU control the Lionel ZW-c (Celebration) since it is a tmcc unit?
I don't think so.
can you operate non legacy lionel trains with the legacy transformer?
(I know this is old and will probably not be answered) is it possible to convert an MTH to LCS?
You don't have to have a Z4000, you can use almost any transformer.
can i buy a dcs remote but not a tiu and use the receiver that comes with a starter set
I would like to get the mth dsc for ho trains 1 Train I have right now is just dc do they make a DCC chip I can put in there that will work with dcs
Buy the Legacy system if you don't have
MTH
In conventional transformer control, can you run 2 MTH engines on the same track? Can it damage both engines?
eric how do u add a legacy engine on dcs wifi i really am struggling with this
What about Lionchief?
if you have a powered legacy engine can you lash that up with an mth non powered engine? thank you for the video
or you can get Legacy Cab-1L. The cheaper version of Legacy.
can you connect the actual legacy command base to dcs not tmcc
can you retrofit purely conventional locomotives to use TMCC/Legacy?
Do you have wiring diagram
Can to still run conventional engines with these
Do you need a tiu to use the dcs remote?
@railfan845 No. Legacy will only control Legacy and TMCC engines.
Would legacy also control atlas trains
Eh when I get older my collection will be just TMCC engines and non-TMCC engines only. No Legacy whatsoever on my future layout.
What is the cost to each?
@esiegel76 what type of equipment?
ok i figured that thanks lol
Lionel
Can you run legacy engines with a conventional transformer.
Logan Reichert Yes but you can't access all the features.
Thanks matt
Logan Reichert You're welcome.
Can the tmcc run mth
@esiegel76 Thanks!
No, he's speaking of a special connecting wire.