AMD Ryzen 7 3700X vs. Intel Core i9-9900K, Gaming Performance in 2023
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00:00 - Welcome to Hardware Unboxed
00:34 - Why we are revisiting these CPUs in 2023
02:42 - Assassin’s Creed Mirage
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08:04 - Starfield
08:14 - The Last of Us Part I
08:40 - Halo Infinite
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09:40 - Performance Summary
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10:10 - 1440p Average
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Switched out my 3700X for a 5800X3D a year ago. I honestly wasn't expecting such a massive difference. Regular applications felt so much more responsive, and in games, my old averages became my new lows. Definitely a no regrets upgrade.
What's your GPU?
which resolution?
@@H4FIZS I had a GTX 1080, but I upgraded to a 6800XT shortly after getting the 5800X3D
Same, best upgrade I have done in years, paired with a 7800xt it's a 1440p monster.
@@Chris3s 1440p. Even then the 3700X was holding back the GTX 1080 in quite a few titles, especially Unreal based games
Earlier this year I went from my 2700X to the 5800X3D, after doing a quick BIOS update and was good to go. Love the longevity the extra cache brings, improving performance in certain software / games. Best of all it keeps a perfectly good mobo in use, not collecting dust and contributing to e-waste.
I still have my 9900k and 3090 I built just over 3 years ago but my recent 7940HS laptop kicks the 9900k's arse in productivity by about 30% and I believe the 5800x3D is only about 10% slower than the 7940HS, which still makes it a cracking CPU for the price.
The funny thing is the 4070 in the laptop is also about 40% less powerful in gaming (frame gen disabled) than the 9900k/3090 combo, however it's about 1/3 the power, 1/6 the size/weight and with frame gen on it does sometimes perform better. You can also tell that 9900k is starting to bottleneck the 3090 when trying to high refresh game, so very good progress AMD.
Yeah the 5800X3D is gonna be the i7 2600k of this decade. This thing is a beast and still punches above its weight.
Curious if the 5800x3d fans have seen this performance in windows 10 or 11? Currently running 10 and another UA-camr, an Australian, who has done a lot of testing for day to day app latency makes me think Windows 10 is much better on these or even an 10th gen i5 over the latest powerhouses from Intel and AMD which lag more on day to day productivity. (I do mostly productivity, light on resources, and just have high end stuff around to mine when I don't need the CPu's bandwidth).
@@QueueTeePies hey I also rocked a 2600k for over 5 years so I hope the 5800x3D does the same for people 👍
PSA FOLKS when upgrading your bios especially if you have a older cpu like a 2700x or a 3700x update your bios sequentially. I made the mistake of jumping about 8 bios updates and it almost bricked my motherboard.
I was a Developer and occasional gamer so was Mega impressed with the 3700X productivity over an older Intel quad core...
Went for a bargain 5900X a couple of months ago which has really helped with the gaming and the extra cores will do no harm in my day job.
So well happy for another few years.
What GPU is a good match for the 5900X? I bought that CPU for work and rendering but id like to start gaming a bit. 4K 27" 144Hz screen but don't need to run any games on ultra
@@captaindccget a rtx 3080 or 6900xt. That would be a good combo
I have a 6700xt paired with mine but if you have the money I suggest the 6800 xt or 6900 xt and if it's in your budget the 7800 xt or 7900 xt would be better options. I'm 100% GPU limited
My Video cards tend to be out of step with CPUs
I Started with an RX580, obtained during a brief lull in the first Crypto price hike. Upgraded end of last year to a used RTX 2070super for £200 which has allowed be to dip my toe into 1440P games. .. Would normally have gone for a (better) AMD Card - At least 6700xt - But wanted to have something that did cuda work as well as gaming.
.. Underclocked this card will keep me happy for another year or too :-)
@@captaindcc 7900XTX for 4K, nothing less (I have that 5900X/7900XTX config for ultrawide 1440p Ultra no upscaling)
I did the 3700x to 5800x3d upgrade. Its so awesome considering i still have great gaming performance on a 4 year old platform.
This Is the Way.
Same, well I was kinda stupid tbh as I went 3700X to 5800X then 5800X3D but I mainly game so it was somewhat worth it. 3x upgrades on the same platform is amazing though
On what mb platform? My 3700X is on an X370 Taichi (I upgraded from an R5 1600) so if I upgrade to a 5800X3D I'll still be limited to PCIe3 which is putting me off the upgrade.
@@ravenfeeder1892 It will still be worth it. It wouldn't make much of a difference even with a RTX 4090 running PCI-E 3.0 . The fact is Intel only got PCI-E 4.0 2 years after Zen 2 exists on their 11th gen .
Same. And I swapped the GPU as well during the summer. The 1080 was upgraded to the 6950XT...which just about bottomed out in price in The Netherlands (just shy of 700 euros incl 21% sales tax).
So for around 1000-1100 euros went from a 3700X with a 1080 to a 5800X3D with a 6950XT. Yes...also had to get another PSU 😊.
Great bang for buck upgrade I think. In a time you really have to get creative and time your upgrades just right in this crazy market 😂.
The upgrade path to a 5800x3D on AM4 is going down as the most legendary upgrade in recent history, the gains are unreal.
AM4 really did go out with a bang with the 5800x3d. Such a worthy sendoff for a brilliant platform.
I think the 5600x3d was a slick move to end it. Have that processor and it is fantastic.@@mannydcbianco
@@forcedcobraI pushed a camel through the eye of a needle this shit ain't nothing to me man
I don't understand what you are talking about?
@@albinoalpaca1059
@@albinoalpaca1059we smokin dung beetles
I switched to a 5800X3D from a 3600X after I bought a RX 7800xt recently. I knew that I would have a CPU bottleneck when I bought the video card, but a month later when I finally upgraded my CPU I was shocked by how bad the bottleneck actually was. It's a very impressive setup now. I will never be able to go back to budget builds again. Spending a little more money is totally worth it.
The x3d is simply built different
The "bottleneck" is entirely resolution-dependent. If you play at 1440p, the differences would have been marginal on a 7800 XT. Even at 1080p, the differences would be a few percentage points in games that actually tax a modern GPU (not CS GO, Siege or other pointless benchmarks).
What games do you play?
I think it's less bottleneck and more that 5800X3D is a gaming CPU.
I'm still rocking a 9900K and would have liked to have seen how these two compared to the latest cpus. It'll be a couple of years before I upgrade it's still a pretty beefy cpu.
Also on a 9900k. The 3060ti is pegged way before the CPU starts to even warm up. Unless I boot up factorio. That game eats CPU and RAM for breakfast.
I'm also running a 9900k, it get the job done. But since i upgraded my RTX 2070 Super to an RTX 4070 Ti i'll have to upgrade my rig next year when i'll have the money for it. Since i'm CPU limited now.
Yep, I’m running a 9900k as well paired with a rtx 3090, it might be showing it’s age at times, but I’m confident it will keep up until I build a new system with the next gpu generation.
Me too.
@@cementhead75I'm running a 9700K and a 6900XT and this is an awesome setup, granted i'd like to upgrade to 7800X3D but for a 5 year old chip it's still a winner.
I switched my 3700x out for a 5800X3D last winter and the difference has blown me away.
Just out of curiosity what did you have before the 3700x ?
Want to do same. Hoping for BF sales.
Swapped my 3800X for a 5800X3D a couple of months ago, and yeah the difference is amazing. Have to love that AM4 upgrade path.
I was thinking about doing the same. Hoping to get one on black friday or something like that for cheap. Its the best CPU for my motherboard's chipset. I have a question. How was the transition? Did you have to update your bios? Thanks.
@@drramtop1576what's your gpu? im currently on 3800x and 4070
Uplift in performance across Ryzen gens always impressed me. I had the previous gen 2700x, and when I went to a 5800x the gains in FPS shocked me. I feel like AM4 is the 1080ti of CPU platforms, ridiculous lifespan. i don't expect to bother upgrading to AM5 for another 2 years, meaning ill have run over 7 years on a single socket.
Made the same upgrade, didn’t expect such insane gains. Went from RX580 to 6700xt, which doubled or tripled my average fps. Then moving from 2700x to 5800x my 1% lows doubled
Zen 3 was a very large jump, yes. Dont expect them to be able to do that again(unless they make Vcache standard which they dont seem to be doing even with Zen 5 according to their own slides). The switch to a unified 32MB of L3 for each CCD was a giant low hanging fruit. It was also very impressive just how quickly Zen 3 came after Zen 2, but again, dont expect that to be the norm, either. As low hanging fruit are mostly gone, and process advancements are taking longer and seeing smaller gains per gen, there just isn't quite the room for that same level of progress.
AM4 is relevant until the next generation of consoles and beyond.
@@maynardburgerI wouldn't say that the future looks that dim. Zen4 to Zen3 provided another substantial uplift in performance that is oftentimes overlooked, because the IPC increase was smaller than Zen2 to Zen3. However, that's more than made up for in clockspeed increases. Overall, Zen4 is just as big of an upgrade over Zen3 as that was over Zen2.
And making 3D-Vcache baseline wouldn't make any sense whatsoever. There's a large market that's either not interested in the benefits as long as they increase cost, as well as usecases that outright prefer frquency over cache.
Zen5 will certainly be a sizeable uplift, too. Maybe not as big as 2 to 3 or 3 to 4, we'll see about that. However, I'd bet money on it paving the way for substantial uplifts in nT performance by using 16c Zen5c chiplets in the top SKUs. Whether that's enough to make Zen4 users upgrade? Who knows. But there'll be Zen6 after that, and that prospect alone makes AM5 so much more compelling than any Platform Intel offers. That's leaving out that even LGA1700 offered no meaningful upgrade path in the high end to begin with, of course.
@@danieloberhofer9035 "But there'll be Zen6 after that, and that prospect alone makes AM5 so much more compelling than any Platform Intel offers." That assumes Zen 6 on AM5, something we have no information about. After AMD kept trying to cut early chipsets on AM4 I certainly wouldn't put my money on current AM5 motherboards supporting anything after Zen 5.
I have a slight regret when I upgraded my R7 2700x to i7 10700 3 years ago. If only I would have upgraded to R7 3700x, I may have upgraded to R7 5800X3D easily. Will consider platform longevity next time around when I upgrade. Congrats on 1m Subs!
i don't think the 3700x would of made you happy either, i have a 2700x too and considered nothing less than the 5700x, always skip a gen or two if you have a decent mobo
@@mickieg1994 by the time I upgraded to i7 10700, Ryzen 3000 series and 11th Gen Intel were the only options. My Ryzen 7 2700x was severely bottlenecking my RX 6800XT that time that's why I decided to upgrade. Well, bad timing I guess. But I'm quite satisfied with my i7 though. But I'm due to upgrade as it's still bottlenecking my RX 6800 XT on the games I play(Competitive games).
@mickieg1994 if you upgrade to ryzen 5600 or higher, the performance is shocking. Ryzen 5000 in general is really fast.
I mean, that's over $700 in total upgrade costs you're talking about there.
@@bryanwages3518 yea I'm upgrading to a 5700x in the next couple weeks. when I got my 2700x I had a 4gb rx570 and I gotta say, having the CPU be alot more powerful than the GPU, is a really nice experience, I wasn't getting high details but I was getting 90+FPS on certain games on low/med detail but the gameplay itself was smooth as butter.
now I miss that feeling as I got a 3060ti and it's a mixed bag.
Having high detail, rtx on and getting around about 40-50 FPS is the flip side of the coin, looks beautiful 😍 but feels stuttery and inconsistent, less smooth overall, hoping a 5700x will fix that.
3 years ago I managed to find a new 9900 non k for cheap, so I sold my 8600k and upgraded for about 100€ which I think was a great deal as I was starting to have a lot of frame pacing issues with the i5. Even tough it's starting to show its age I'm happy that the 9900k it's still a fairly capable CPU.
Great video, thanks Steve & Baylin!
I'm still on a 3700X so this was super interesting for me.
My friend is on a 8700K and looking to upgrade soon, but there aren't many review sites or videos that look further back than the 10900K so its difficult to tell him the % increase to something like the 7800X3D or 14700K.
The 8700k should be about equal to the 10400, because both use the same architecture and have the same number of cores.
Went from 3700X to 5800X and now 5800X3D all while keeping the same X570 board, GPU went from 1080Ti to 2080Ti to 4090, I'm currently running both the CPU and GPU undervolted, the 5800X3D pulls under 70W in most games at 4.45GHz all cores and the 4090 hovers around 300W at 2730MHz, very happy with this set up.
You could probably undervolt the 4090 or drop the power limit by 10-20 and still hit very high fps at 1440p/4K and shave that 300w down to 260w-270w. At 4K that 5800x3d probably has more load taken off of it.
@@DavidTMSN Thx, already set the power limit to 85% at 0.95V, stock core clock and mem plus 1000, power draw is already a lot lower with perf only slightly slower, don't think there's much more tweaking to be done with this card.
What psu are you using?
@@Sayid112 Thermaltake GF1 850W
@@henryfan48 I wish I had waited for the 4090. My 3090 Strix paired with a 10900K at 1440p can handle most games pretty well but the power draw is pretty high.
I am really excited for this series as a current 3700x owner.(since 2019) Currently got my eyes on 5800x3d during blackfriday. I hope pt2 comes out b4 that. I hope to get a little more frames out of my 3080ti with the upgrade in 1440p gaming +occassional stream
Depends on the game but for example a game that likes the extra cache is World of Warcraft. The X3D doubled my FPS coming from a 3900X. In general there is a noticable FPS increase too.
@@rng81 atm im playing baldur's gate 3 and lords of the fallen. Funnily enough mainly the latters fps is bad in certain regions. BG3 seems fine until i ran into act 3 where all the npcs now seem a more near critical amount haha
It’s so worth it. I went from a 3600x to a 5800X3D with my 3070 and the difference is insane. I bought it just to make BF2042 playable as I was getting tons of stutter on the 3600X but I wasn’t expecting every single other game to see such an increase in frames.
Loved my 9900K , ran at 5Ghz for 3yrs without missing a beat and was able to run anything I threw at it with awesome results, first with a 2080 then a 3080.
I upgraded from the 9900k to the 7800x3d this year. It'd be interesting to see how the lack of hyperthreading on the 9700k has held up over the years.
im planning to do the same thing, do you recomend it? i have the i9 pared with a 6950xt
@@giratina_86 is the i9 bottlenecking the 6950xt? I got the 7800x3d since I was bottlenecking the 4090 with the 9900k even at 4k. It has been a fantastic CPU. Both that and the 4090 are very efficient for the performance.
I've had my 9900k clocked at 5ghz for almost a year now without any issues with a 3080ti. I will wait for Intel 15th gen or see what AMD has by then. Really good CPU which can later be used as a 4k 60hz media center chip.
I've had my 9900k at 5ghz since 2019 with not a single issue, it's been a super champ as it's paired with originally a 2080ti and for the past year a 4090. Its a halo product and I haven't been compelled to upgrade just yet though I plan to with the 15900k's new platform and I will be looking at what AMD is offering.
@@davidmorgan05 At 1440p or 4K I presume?
my 9900k runs @5.1Ghz /4.8Ghz ring, 1.28v, llc5 @ Watercooled on a ASUS ROG Maximus Extreme with 32gb ddr4 3600 cl16.
I wish u compare the 9900k to modern Prozessors please
. @DavidTMSN I am running 9900kf 5.0ghz and 3080ti at 4k and it does really well with most games. @frazmeup how are you finding the 4090 with 9900k? Do you feel like it is holding the gpu back, I am planning to get one soon.
@@BigBoss-kk4srI gotta get onboard the 4K train. At 1440p 240hz right now with a 10900K + 3090 Strix OC and it does well but I think I would get more life out of the cpu by switching monitors.
Still using a stock 9900k with unlimited power setting (maxed tdp) 3600mhz ram (tuned for low latency) and no complain at all
Im still using i9 9900k with a 38 percent overclock with h100 pro and new 4070ti super 💪
I'd like a 5800X3D to be added to this data. Just to see how much of an upgrade over 3700X and 9900K you can achieve on an AM4 platform, and how much of a bottleneck the 5800X3D actually is for the 4090.
It depends on the game. There is other videos in the channel with examples. In starfield 5800x3d is a bad choice compared to Intel new cpus, but in many games the 5800x3D it is in the the top 10 cpus. Just search "5800x3d hardware unboxed" and you will find examples in 2023 with 4090.
Why? 4090 is unrealistic for those GPUs anyway. If you can afford 4090, then buy new CPU
Steve has already said this was up in a "part 2", but to be honest, we all know what's gonna happen: the 9900K will be destroyed by the X3D part in gaming. There is basically no question to be answered on what was the best investment: having purchased any AM4 platform simply made more sense for those who did, and we can say that with the benefit of knowledge of both compatibility on AM4, and pricing+performance of AM4 chips through the time since.
@@daniil3815. This is such a bad argument and demonstrates a complete ignorance of the purpose of the testing. The fact that people make this argument is mindboggling to me given the nature of the Pc enthusiast market.
@@robertt9342 so let’s say you have 3700x and rtx 1080. You want to build or upgrade your PC. You have 1600$+ for GPU, you bought rtx4090. You really trying to save 400$ on motherboard and ram upgrade? It’s mind-boggling that upgrading to last gen CPU is even an option after you spent 1600$+ on GPU.
Yes Yes i love comparisons with older CPUs though would love to see comparisons with more modern cpus with older ones like the 9900k/ 8700k, I am still on a 8086k (basically a over clocked 8700k) so am looking to see my next upgrade path, and was severely tempted for the Am4 so i can save a bit of money on DDr4 but still looking into it
You could just look at their other CPU comparison videos though, they already have a lot of those available and compare them yourself with what you currently have. That being said, if you want an AM4 then the obvious answer would be a 5800X3d....
Exactly this. I am still on and OC 8700k and its paired with a 3080. Its still doing well, but just starting to show its age in the games I play. Personally thinking of going AM5 and then save for a big GPU upgrade, but part of me is something like a 5800x3D would be just fine, esp as I play at 3440x1440.
@@jonathanphang If you are buying a new platform there is no reason to buy am4 platform, AM5 is more future proof.
@@darkfire3691 Yes Ive been pricing up 7800x3D systems recently. I am wondering if the prices of that will become a bit more of a bargain once next generation of AMD processors come, which would let me jump onto AM5 at cheaper entry price (Just for better value). Do you know is the issues with voltage/EXPO (?) are sorted mostly. I havent kept up with it but know certain boards and memory combos could cause problems.
@@jonathanphang It was sorted quite a while ago, i have Asrock B650 lightning / 7800x3D , everything is fine. Even though it's very efficient CPU, temps can get pretty high especially on hot summer, so i swapped to 360mm AIO, from Dark rock pro 4 cooler.
I had 6700k and made coffee mod with my z-170a motherboard. Now I have QQLS notebook processor analog of 9900k. That was great upgrade from 6700k! I've doubled cores and overclocked all of them to 4.6Ghz. 1151 Intel's socket some kind AM4 of AMD. And the best part of this upgrade, that after selling my 6700k, I've spent about 30$ extra for QQLS. So it was almost free!
I just went from the 6700K to a 13700K and was thinking about doing the mod upgrade to 9900K with my old board as a hobby project, if it doesn't get too difficult.
I feel I made the right choice going for the 9700k back in early 2019, considering it was much cheaper than the 9900k for really not-so-inferior performance. I would love to see it benchmarked with new games and compared to modern CPUs, too. Thank your for this video, I feel this kind of content of "retrospect benchmarks" is necessary for most gamers, considering the majority of us tends to upgrade every 4, 5 or 6 years and not every year. So it's a great way of knowing how old stuff still holds up and if an upgrade is needed. To share a current personal dilemma: I'm thinking about changing my 3070Ti for a 4070 but I'm not sure it would really be worth it more than waiting a year or so and changing my whole setup. So this is the kind of videos that would help me decide and go for the right thing.
The 9900K's rival was the 2700X though back in 2018. The 3700X was release a full year after the 9900K.
Interesting to look back and see how modern titles run with these 'older' cpus. Kind of hard to accept that something that's only 4 years old is considered as such, but that's the way it is I guess. I've always built at the budget end of the spectrum, and the question you raise at the end in terms of "was it better to have bought just the one i9 system versus the Ryzen 7 with a later processor upgrade?" has got me thinking about the best way forward! Still, I've been happy with what I've had so i guess that's all that matters..
I love these old CPU revisits, always wondered how the 9900k compares to the newer stuff.
Your videos are really generally helpful and informative, but this is the one I'm most thankful for. I bought my 3700x a few months before the "global malware" started and I'm glad that it's aging good.
Now with a used 6900xt GPU and still as happy as the first time I assembled my pc (first ever build).
I bought a 9900K around the time 11th Gen came out and Microcenter had some killer combo deals. Later upgraded to a 5800X3D after getting a hand-me-down board from my friend who upgraded from a 3900X to a 12900K. The real value seems to be buying new parts that are 1-2 gens behind.
I bought the 9900K for myself and a 3700x for a customer. My customers probably feel like they made a wise investment if I can still upgrade their system a few years later.
I am still happy having used the 990K for myself and it has since been passed down to my wife's PC, so it's not like it's wasted money, just a different use case scenario.
Lol I'm still running a Skylake i7 6700 and with a 3080Ti I get good enough performance in most games, even at 4K. Largely depends on which games you play. I'm really looking forward to an upgrade to an AM5 board next year. Zen 5, most likely an X3D variant will be my new CPU. Should be a dramatic improvement in performance with that 😊
Yeah man, this is it. A 9900 system was the last one I built. It played everything in my catalog. Sadly lost in a natural disaster thing some time ago. I'd like to see what I can get in a modern middle of the road build that mostly mirrors what that system did.
A 14th Gen i7 would handily out pace that old 9th Gen i9 heck even a i5 would too. The newer gpu's would appreciate the performance improvements.
Sorry you lost your system bud, that really sucks. I think you'll be able to build something very easily the same or faster than it now for middle money, the main kick in the crotch at the moment is the price of GPUs.
I'm still rocking my 9900K. Have it overclocked to 5.1GHz all cores. Delidded and put liquid metal between the die and IHS, and it's cooled with a 360mm AIO. None of the cores get above 70C in games. I game in 4K with a 4090 FE locked at 120 FPS. The 4090 caps almost all my games, so I never experience a bottleneck unless I'm playing ARK Survival Evolved or ARK Survival Ascended. Even then, it doesn't seem so bad. I'll probably hold on to the 9900K for a few more years. It might not be the fastest anymore, but it's still a beast of a CPU.
After doing the math, I sold my entire AM4 setup and bought an AM5 setup with a 7600X. I ended up spending about $200 more on the entire RAM, motherboard, and 7600X than I would have spent on just a 5800X3D.
The 7600X made such a massive difference, it was insane. Destiny 2 is actually pretty CPU bottle-necked, and it was shocking just how many FPS I was leaving on the table by using the 3700X compared to the 7600X. Meanwhile, I recently bought a 7800X3D and I was just able to slot it in. And I can do the same with probably the next two generations. I am so happy I didn't waste my money sticking with AM4.
i'm doing the opposite been on AM4 since 2019 already on a 5800X3D + 7900XTX and waiting until Zen 5 for a rebuild. Will be a far bigger jump than going Zen 4 right now and by the time i'm ready to build AM5 board and DDR5 memory prices will drop even more.
Thanks Steve,
I’m curious- does your current testing on the 9900K include all of intel’s microcode updates for vulnerabilities that slowed it down over the years? Also, do you turn off Windows 11 core isolation before testing?
I was tossing up between the 9700k and 3700X as they were the same price (and the 9700k was generally just as good as the 9900k, though I suspect in newer titles that's no longer the case), so I found this very interesting.
I went with intel and definitely got the better deal in terms of price to performance for gaming. But in hindsight I'd have been better off going for the 3700X and upgrading to a 5800X3D about now. I never expected AMD would be able to make the improvements with Zen 3 that they did, let alone that they'd have a gaming monster like the 5800X3D come out for the same socket.
But you also need to consider that Intel gave you more value. You probably had spent less than buying those two AMD cpus and you had better gaming performance for all these years.
@@REgamesplayerDepends on a lot of things. If he had a 1080Ti and played at 1440p like I did, it would be fairly rare for the 3700X to end up being a bottleneck. I only started having issues with it after upgrading to a 3080 12GB, after which the 5800X3D was right there.
@@ozzyp97 Keep it simple.
@@REgamesplayer I get your thought process, but it's also important to remember that you're not really getting that value unless it actually makes a difference in your use case.
Kinda like some people who used to recommend the 5900X over the 5800X3D because it was "better value", ignoring the fact that more cores would do absultely nothing for gaming performance.
@@ozzyp97 But in this case, it does translate to better gaming performance. In addition, strong single core performance translates to generally better CPU. Furthermore, you are talking about hindsight. Nobody could had predicted 5800x3D and it being so good.
This video is such a wonderful throwback! Unrelated note, but I upgraded my brother's pc from a Ryzen 1600 to a 5600x3d, the performance difference is insane
Still rocking my 9900k. Will wait to see what 15th gen offers before ever considering an upgrade. I always build the best gaming CPU for the time. I went 2600k to 9900k with my last upgrade. 7 generations is about right amount of time for an upgrade.
Waiting till 16th or even 17th might seems to be viable tbh
That was an interesting video. Thank you. If you continue this retrospective I hope you will include figures for the 7800X3D and 14900 - maybe the 5800X3D too. That would make the video much more useful because it immediately makes obvious how much of an uplift comes from having the latest CPUs.
The 4090 skews everything, so what would be the point, other than: "it's better"? Anybody with a legacy 'processor like a 3700X or 9900K clearly isn't going to be looking to get a 4090! They are most likely quite budget-minded, therefore *every cent* should go towards a modern GPU, long before even considering a CPU "upgrade".
I'd really love to see r5 3600 and i5 tests added to these results to show put a rest on the topic of (do you need 8 cores for games)
Amd fans: "i switched my 3700x to 5800x3d, same platform, great!"
Intel owners: "i kept my 9900k, same cpu, no extra price..."
Be great to see a 9700K vs 9900K comparison for modern games
Love where you were going on this, but it would have been great to include benchmark comparisons from the top current CPUs for those debating on if it's time to upgrade.
Yeeeeesss!
EXACTLY WHAT I WAS LOKING FOR, AS I AM CONSIDERING UPGRADING FROM A 3700X TO A 5800X3D (FOR A 7900XTX GPU). ALSO, WOULD BE NICE IF YOU COULD TEST THOSE CPUS WIH THE 7900XTX. KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK!
hint: clean your keyboard - your caps-lock got stuck...
@@ThorDyrdennah, he is just EXCITED
Rocked my 9900k for 4.5 years overclocked to 5.0GHz on water, and voltage tuned to keep the temps under control. At the time I bought it, I was trying to decide between it and the 2700X. Intel won me over with the nicer Z390 motherboards.
People were still the same amd fanatics, I can't believe people were raving about amd cpus even back then (now they actually make decent cpus). 9900K was absolutely ahead of everything to the point that the majority of 2020-2021 cpu just matched it in gaming, and many later cpus didn't even match it in windows snappiness (including the beloved 5800x3d). All these older comments like "9900K not worth it over 2700x for 5 fps" make me laugh like crazy now. Put a high 4ghz+ bdie on 9900K and oc the ring, 3700x will just cry in agony.
@@HeartOfAdel Exactly, I saw through them back in 2019 when Linus was actively pumping AMD's stock and knew this would happen down the line; the gap becoming larger as games use more cores due to the huge latency between those CCXs and CCDs.
@@pixels_per_inch many synthetics never cared about latency though, and people always overhyped ryzen because of that. 3700x actually gave better per clock scores in, let's say cpuz. But when latency and ram start to matter, games and windows snappiness become severely better with 9900K. That latency advantage persisted all the way through zen3 but was outright ignored by the mainstream techtubers. You'll sometimes hear reports of people saying that they their windows felt more responsive with 9900K vs 5800x/5800x3d. I believe people somewhat underrated that cpu (and 10th gen). Instead, everyone gave in to the apparent data (benchmark scores) and mainstream brainwashed hype (hw is responsible for this too), when in reality that architecuture's actual advantages should've been explored in more depth.
Ironicly i just changed from a 3900X to a 5800X3D a couple of weeks ago, even with a RTX 2080 i noticed a pretty large improvement, around 20% extra fps and 50+% in the 0.1 and 1% lows in game where i am not quite GPU bound at 1440x3440 e.g DLSS or FSR. The problem with the Zen 2 CPU's is really their CCD and CCX configuration. With a single CCD and 2x CCX configuration the CPU's there is still cross communication across the infinity fabric. This was fixed in the Zen 3 with a single CCD and CCX configuration where all the cores in the CCX can access all the L3 cache without having to go through the inifinity fabric when communicating with other cores outside the CCX complex which has a significent impact to your fps.
I would like to have also liked to have seen something like a 5800X to have been added if nothing else being on the same platform but seeing the big difference once the CCD and CCX bottleneck is removed.
I basically did just what Steve said in the video and upgraded to a 5800X3D end of spring which cost me 290€. Will be looking forward to that comparison. I also upgraded my GPU from a 1070 to a 7900XT at the same time as well as switching to 1440p (without that the CPU upgrade wouldn't have made a lot of sense probably).
In gaming the 9900K would only have made sense for people who were using highest end GPUs, as that would ensure a max number of CPU limited games on the 3700x. If you did not have a high end GPU, the 3700x probably made more sense.
A person who should be buying a 9900K, should also be the person who doesnt care about swapping an entire platform for he upgrade.
No point penny pinching when you went full out in the first place
Always love a good flashback. I suppose the other good thing for anyone using a 3700K is that if they need more performance in a couple years they can get a 5000-series X3D upgrade (assuming motherboard compatibility). 9900K users are SOL.
lol , coz from the start they used the BETER one and dont need an upgrade ?
@@Taurus_Play I'll spell it out more clearly:
9900K was $488 MSRP/1K
9900KS was $513 MSRP/1K
3700X was $329 MSRP/1K
5600X3D is $229 MSRP/1K
9900K has zero* upgrade path on Socket 1151. (*The KS offered effectively 0% performance, so it's better to pretend it doesn't exist.) If you built that computer and need more performance, you'll have to buy a new motherboard in addition to a CPU upgrade.
The 5600X3D is a drop-in replacement and is anywhere from 15-40% faster than the 9900K/KS depending on the game. Even the combined cost of the 3700X and 5600X3D ($558) is only 14% more than the 9900K, so the cost per frame is *still* a better deal.
You're not going to be able to replace your 9900K *system* with something faster than the 5600X3D CPU for less than $229.
@@Taurus_PlayThat is false I had to upgrade my 9900 K to a 5800X 3D to get decent FPS in some games with a 3090. So it doesn't really matter which one you went with You're still going to have to upgrade cuz both are going to get in the way of decent GPUs.
@@XxViciousxX wowowowoow ! Stop ! I also switched from 9900ks to 5800x3D ? just wanted to try AMD .... and no, i didnt get FPS boost in 1080p with 3070ti . MB @ 720p with RTX3090 there is but its STUPID !
@@Taurus_Play Well then you must have messed something up don't know how considering you really can't mess up a 3D chip I got like 8-15 FPS in games like Spider-Man with ray tracing enabled. Not to mention my 1% and 0.1% loads were much better with the 3D chip than the 9900k.
Still rockin my 9900k @ 5ghz. Been very good for almost 5 years and still is.
9900K was a GOAT in 2018... the first mainstream i9, fyi. It even aged pretty well and u can use this one with 4090 on 4K and it's not a problem at all.
considering the lower power cnsumption and significant price difference at the time, I'm very satisfied with the performance of my 3700x
9900K resell value is insane while the 3700X lost it's value. How much money did you save due to lower power consumption? Enough for a Pizza?
9900k was more of an enthusiast or cpu while the 3700x was much better value. Users of the 1151 mobo have no upgrade path so that's how they retain value while 3700x users can go buy a 5000x series cpu.
High end intel chips always hold their value in this way.
@@thomasschraubt7497 I saved ~50 € with the lower energy consumtion (based on rough estimates), but for me more important is:
1. The cpu dumps less heat into the room during summer
2. I could make due with the included cooler
3. I can make due with cheaper motherboard & psu
As to what the resell value of my 3700x is, I don't know, because I still use it. I don't replace my cpu very often, so resell value is a non-issue for me anyways. And should I ever replace it, I know I can get a good upgrade while keeping my old motherboard. Considering all costs, the value of the 3700x was unbeatable, particularly with that degree of future-proofness
Be curious to see how the 9700k compares since it was similar in price to the 3700x.
Or a 3600 vs 9600k comparison, which I'd imagine is coming soon if we're on this trend.
I bought a Gigabyte Gaming 5 X370 motherboard and a 1600 when they were new. I read that AMD was going to support the AM4 platform for many years so my goal was to use the motherboard for many years. I purchased the 3700x when it came out, then the 5800x3d, all with my x370 motherboard. I have been through several 3D cards and a few sets of memory but the same motherboard. I couldn’t be happier with the amazing upgrade path AMD has given me.
Thank God I got 9900k instead of 2700x back in 2018. It's still holding up with 4090 @4K. Minimum fps (1% lows) is an issue in games like cyberpunk but still it will "hopefully" hold up for a year until i can afford a new cpu (7800x3D or i7 14 th gen equivalent but cheaper)
I'm still using my Ryzen 3600 (non-X) and paired with a 3060 Ti it is well enough for 1080p gaming. I might consider upgrading once the 8000 Ryzen series come out, but I'm not sure it will really be necessary.
The 3060ti is powerful enough that you would notice a difference going to a ryzen 5600/5600x.
I had a 3600 with 3060ti, just upgraded to a 5700x with +200 PBO. Difference is massive. If you don't want to buy a whole new PC simply switching to a 5600x or better will keep you going for at least a few years.
@@TipToeDonkey "Difference is massive..." Confirmation bias much? In most *modern* games going from a 3600 to a 5800X3D might net you 10%-15% in framerates on a *3080* , a 3060Ti would be barely noticeable.
@@awebuser5914 going from a stock 3600 on stock cooler to a PBO tuned 5700x with a 212 has been very noticable for me and the settings I use for PoE and cyberpunk. 1440p, 144hz, custom high settings.
@@TipToeDonkey Yes, with one cherry-picked example of a game that is notoriously CPU-intensive, I'm sure you'll notice a "difference". Is that relevant to the bigger picture? Meh, thought not...
Went from 9900 nonK to 12700k year ago, honestly didn't noticed marginable performance boost in every-day PC usage or some games. To be honest, the upgrade was made only because of concerns about the loss of performance due to PCI-E 3.0 bus paired with a PCI-E 4.0 card (rtx-3080). By the way, previous transition from i7-7700k to i9-9900 was very noticeable, everything became so smooth. I will remember 9900 with warmth in my heart.
Still got my i9 9900K still a beast in every aspect, including power and heat. but least it also performs - runs a stable all core Turbo at 5.0Ghz but I drop it to 4.9 for temps. Will upgrade it in a few years as for now my games are GPU limited as I play at 4K
I would like to see a comparison of all generations of 8-core Ryzens in modern games vs the corresponding Intel processors.
It would be nice to be able to evaluate the performance progress of one company to the other.
Would be more interested to see 9700k/f vs 3700X, as they were much closer in price, also would be generally interesting to know how the odd 8/8 performs today.
The 9700k would have been an interesting match for the 3700X.
It's still a bit more expensive, but now it's much closer in price so they do not belong to completely different categories, and the gaming performance is still very good.
Im still rocking the 9900k and its great. I will prob upgrade to a new platform (likely an AMD x3D chip) next year though. Just waiting for a meaningful upgrade overall that can last me many years.
I personally pulled the trigger on an i9-9900KF back in 2019 when it was on sale for ~$415. None of the AM4 ITX motherboards were offering the features I wanted that I was able to get from a Z390 ITX board. I was upgrading from an X58 system so either path would have been a massive upgrade for me. I didn't get nearly the mileage out of that Z390 system as I did my X58 system as I upgraded to an i5-13600K earlier this year. I don't anticipate being in the CPU market again until DDR6 is mainstream.
Still using 3700x daily with no plans to upgrade. Great purchase as with modern tech such as FSR, you can really intend the life of hardware. But indeed, next logical upgrade would be 5800x3d. Amazing CPU as well.
Back then, I expect you'd be GPU limited and the extra performance of the 9900k would have been more expensive to unlock. I think the 3700x would make more sense but I hate spending money (enough that I'm still using my R5 1600).
There is value vs cost. Upgrade to a cheap ryzen 5600 and you will notice 3-4x's the performance difference in some games and cpu tasks vs the 1600. Amazon U.S has the ryzen 5600 on sale for $134.
I switched from a 2700x to a 3700x back in 2019 because I had gotten into PC VR. Huge improvement in performance back then. I am now on a 5800x3D and 7950x but actually also just bought a used 9900k to put in an old MSI Z390-A pro I had lying around. Glad to hear the 9900k can still play.
I really like the idea of this and the part 2... But I think if you're gonna go that route, you should have done something like r5 2600 vs i5 8600 -> r7 3700 vs I7 9700 -> 5800x3d vs 9900ks. To show what like 2 upgrades from each would've looked like.
Because 5800x3d vs 9900k with little other context next video is just gonna be a slaughter.
The difference in power consumption between Intel and AMD is pretty insane. Up to 40% for similar performance.
TSMC 7nm vs Intel 14nm ++++
Great content as always 👍
I built 4 X-99 PCs for friends and family basically at the same time. For what we did and do, more than sufficient to need. As luck would have it, my X-99 MB died and I decided to give AMD a try (4.0 versus Intels 3.0). Aorus Master X570 with a 3600X and as scalping was insane at that time, I re-used my Corsair Dominator 4x4 2800Cl? ram and SSD. As prices dropped to saner levels, I noticed uplift with each new part: 1T Sabrent Rocket 4.0 M.2, GSKILL 4x8 3600Cl16 ram and 5800X. For what I do and play, I did NOT notice any difference when I built a second PC with a X570S, 5800X3D, 4x8 GSKILL 3600Cl16 and 2) 1T Sabrent Rocket 4.0 M.2. Seven months ago, AM5/13th gen DDR5 systems were A LOT more expensive than DDR4.
From personal experience, upgrading to a M.2 (4.0 if your MB supports it) and 32g of ram will likely give you noticeable uplift without needing tools to tell the difference. And if on AM4, any of the CPUs, but I'd go with the 5800X or 5800X3D as no real drop in upgrades left, especially if mainly gaming. Important files (taxes, pictures, etc) should ALWAYS be backed up. Exterior HD are fairly cheap and if those files are truly critical, put in a safe deposit box.
My 9900K is still trucking. I bought it a couple of days after Christmas and got it for $375. Micro Center couldn't find the fancy box, and I talked them down a bit. 👍
Man, the fact that the 3700x is less than half the price of the 9900k NOW, it makes you understand how quickly it depreciates so I'm struggling to commit to buy a Ryzen cpu.
Still rocking the 3700x and 3070 and playing 1440p at mostly max settings. I'm good for maybe another couple of years
That is exactly what I got with my gaming pc. Looking at upgrading both cpu and gpu next year
Love the video please keep revisiting hardware within the last 4 years as that’s where most of the good deals are
I bought the 8700k when it came out as the offers from AMD didn't convince me at that time.
Down the line I sold the i7 and bought a 9900k.
The upgrade cost was 100€.
i switched my 1700 to a 2700x to a 3700x to a 5800x3d on my x370 gigabyte k7 mobo ! thanks to AMD !! Im building an AM5 platform at the moment and hoping AMD keeps the same logic as the AM4 one !
My 9900k still keeps my 4090 at 90% or more use on my g9 ultrawide and brought it for £200. I have a 5800x3d system that pretty much offers the same performance on that monitor
Ive got a 9700KF with an EVGA FTW 3080. Im looking at going up to the 7800X3D so that in the future I can upgrade the CPU without having to upgrade the motherboard, RAM etc. similar to the 3700X to 5800X3D upgrade path that you described.
Having owned a 9900K build with a 1080Ti and then a 4070Ti I found games like Forza Horizon 5 to be CPU limited at 3440x1440, averaging around 85 FPS. Having built a new systerm using a same GPU and a R9 7900 with factory overclock the game sits perfectly locked at 100 FPS (monitor refresh rate) with about 70-80% GPU utilisation.
My son is rocking my passed down 9900k & 3080 Fi ... He's still running most games 1440p maxed out at 144hz.. never any issues!
Thank you. As a current 9900k owner this is a video i was actually looking for.
I'm still running a 3700X, overclocked to 4.4GHz all-core, with 32GB of DDR4-3600 RAM CL16. The 5800X3D is an obvious upgrade for me, but since it still sells for 300€ here, I want to be sure I'm actually getting good value for my purchase. I have an AMD 6900XT and a 4k monitor, so I'm likely GPU-limited most of the time.
Pretty cool to see content on older chips. I still have my 9900k and I upgraded mu GPU to a 3090 a few months ago. Still have very good gaming experience on a 1440p ultrawide
Had a 3700x and 3080 for a while before upgrading to a 5800x3D to pair with it. Was really worth it made a big difference in games and applications
I'm still on my r7 3700x bought before Christmas 2019 for £200 on sale. In 2021 I've added a rtx 3080 to the rig for £729. I'm still very happy and the only upgrade I need now is a larger and faster M.2 ssd.
I play games from F1 and ETS2 to Starfield, but I also work with archicad 3d and other cad software. I think I got the better deal than with an i9 9900k. (I'm not an amd fan, just a friend of my own wallet. )
The first Ryzen CPU (2017) I had (Upgraded from a 2011 Intel 4790K) was the 3700X, which I then upgraded just over 2 years ago to the Ryzen 5800X3D, which I am very happy with as it handles itself very well, even on the latest games I have ( eg BG3). My Video card is a Gigabyte 10GB Aorus RTX 3080 Master paired with 64GB of 3600 system Ram.
I went the 3700X to 5800X3D route a few weeks ago. A nice upgrade. Paired with a new 7900xtx I got what I need for the next couple of years.
I had a 6700K on a Z170 board and was directly considering the 3700X and the 9900K. the 9900K was on sale for 300 USD, so i coffe modded the Z170 motherboard and upgraded the 6700K to a 9900K. sold the 6700K for 200USD as well! so was 100 USD upgrade in total. works well even today, happy to see that i made the right decision
I'm still on my trusty 9700K. I'm really wanting to upgrade but the cost of a LGA1700 platform is outrageous. Maybe now that 14th gen Intel really isn't much of an upgrade over 13th gen, maybe I can snag a 13900K a little more affordably.
I upgraded from a 9900K with 3600CL16 DDR4 to a 13700K with DDR5 6400CL32 back in January with my RTX 3080 and saw up to a 50% performance uplift in some games at 1440p. It was well worth it.
I got my 9 year old son’s 9900k for $299 almost 3 years ago. He had an 8700 non k which I built for him, and was able to pass to a friend’s nephew who had a slower 8600. The 9900k is a good cpu. For me when I build PCs I build it to last for years and when it’s time to upgrade I completely upgrade. I don’t have time for meh upgrades. I want my upgrade to feel like my face is in front of a wind tunnel. Not a puff of wind. His 9900k and my 10850k should be good for 2 to 3 more years. Newer cups now are awesome but I want more. Whatever cpu we upgrade to will be like 👀👀👀😳😳😳🤯🤯🤯!!! I want to feel the joy mixed with tears like Mathew in Interstellar.
Just seeing these stats and comparing them to my FX-8350 i know when i jump to AM5 the difference is going to he night and day. All my projections show over 10X performance increase from my current build to the new one.
I jumped from a AMD Phenom II x6, 2,7GHz to the R5 3600.
Both six cores but the difference in performance is staggering.
Hey those Ryzen 3000s required custom AMD power profiles in Windows 10, not sure if it was the same in Windows 11. I assume you probably installed them along with the chipset software, but if you didn’t, it could explain some of that performance gap.
No. That was the case like 2-3y ago. Now they work better on windows default perf. profiles. 10/11 doesnt matter.
When I upgraded from a 3090 to a 4090 earlier in the year, I fully expected I would be itching to upgrade my 5800x3d to a 7800x3d. However I’m really surprised at how well it manages. Now admittedly I game at 3440x1440, so not far off a 4K resolution benchmark, but still it’s been fantastic. I play a range of games from COD WZ, Starfield and Alan Wake 2 and gameplay is buttery smooth (average of 221 fps, 189 low 5th and 178 low fist in the COD benchmark). Chances are I’ll stick with the 5800x3d for a few more years yet.
I'm still rocking a 9900k paired with a 4070, playing at 1080p. I get 60 fps with path tracing in Cyberpunk (with DLSS quality). I feel like I can keep the 9900k for at least 1 more year and wait for the release of the 15000 series to make a proper jump in performance. the 9900k cost me around 500€ back in the day, was super happy with that purchase as I upgraded from an i7-870
Great video, would like to see how the 9700k compares to the 9900k in 2023 since it has no Hyperthreading
Probably very minimal since there are not that many games that fully-utilize 8 real cores to begin with.
Still rocking my 9900KF at 5ghz with a 3090. Definitely needs an upgrade next year though
9900K was god tier! I was so happy when I first hit 5ghz with a Fuma 2 cooler. Still have it, but now its in a pc for TV, undervolted.
I have a 3900x I got new in 2019. Still working great for gaming on my 4k 144 hz monitor.
Great video, can't wait for part 2.
I upgraded from a i9-9900k to a 5800x3d.
If I upgraded staying with Intel, I would have needed to change motherboard anyway, and probably needed new DDR5.
Going 5800x3d, I got a TUF motherboard on sale pretty cheap and kept my 64GB of RAM DDR4 3600.
As GPU I had, and still have, a 5700XT, that, doing the upgrade this way, is now on PCI 4 instead of PCI 3.
I don't know how much is a difference, or having now a full AMD setup, or maybe just new drivers, but my FPS went up quite a bit, like 20-30 minimum.
If you go back and add the i5 9600k data, why not also add the i7 9700k data as well? Especially since, as you said, both CPUs were the more direct competitors to the 3700X.
Long live am4 was with it since the 1800x, final chip is a 5900x. Swapping platforms with the next ryzen release it was a good ride.