The Sad Story of Dissidia NT
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When Dissidia Arcade was announced in 2015, it led to a lot of excitement within the community. From a visual perspective, it looked fantastic and the prospect of Dissidia arriving on the PS4 was rather alluring.
When Dissidia NT was announced at E3 2017, everyone was excited to learn more... but it became clear that the experience wasn't quite what was expected. And after NT launched and Square Enix attempted to salvage things, not much improved.
Now, two years after its release, Square Enix has decided to cease updates for Arcade and NT and it's left a lot of doubt about the future of the franchise.
►KEY POINTS WITHIN THIS VIDEO
1. Dissidia NT Characters
2. Dissidia NT DLC
3. Dissidia Arcade Updates
4. Dissidia Arcade Characters
5. Dissidia NT PS4
6. Dissidia NT PC
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All they had to do was give Duodecim gameplay and story with console graphics. 3v3 should have been an option, not a requirement.
^^^^^^^^^^^ THIS ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Honestly I'd even be okay with sub-par graphics.
i think that most people liked dissidia for the fun gameplay and story where everyone interacted with each other...thats why dissidia nt was such a disppointment. whats the point of a crossover without this aspect ? :(
The thing is that both OG Dissidia and 012 were meant to be ALSO 3v3, but they couldn't do it because technical issues.
The combat more or less is the same in NT but it has two major additions: a rock-paper-scissors system and character balance. It's the rock-paper-scissors system that made 1v1 unviable to be the focus of the game (which was never going to be the case with Nomura around), since it makes characters of one type weak against characters of another type. Of course, EX Modes and Assists were out of the mix because in a game like this, they wouldn't make sense.
@@thatoneeco the original dissidias had different character movesets, not predetermined attacks that could not be swappable. I only played the beta of NT when it dropped and I found each character absolutely insufferable to play because they couldnt be customized and could not go out of their archetype. I didnt bother picking up NT on launch or when it went F2P, so if that changed i had no idea.
I was looking for a console dissidia with 1v1 fights and *optional* 3v3, dedicated move customization/combos and equipment, a myriad of stages, a larger roster, and cheesey but fun crossover story. After Duodecim I dont believe *any* of that is unreasonable to ask for or expect.
Everything I had seen with NT was nothing but fraught with disappointment.
Sad. Really sad. I'd count the Dissidia Duodecim as one of my favourite games of all time. It's packed with content, equipment, characters, stories, unlockables, different modes, different ways to fight, and it all felt so customizable and developed. None of what I loved was in NT, and that broke my heart. There's never been a game with so much potential that was squandered so heavily.
Agreed. Now I've never played Dissidia NT. But from what I've seen it lacked a lot of what made Dissidia distinct.
I saw flashy moves and jarring movement instead of the interesting, unique attacks and fluid movement. In fact, can you dodge in NT because I didn't notice anything like that other than the occasional air dash to the Side.
Final Fantasy XV
Couldn't have put it better myself. Uninstalled it a week after pre-ordering the special edition with season pass, based on the love i have for duodecim. The visuals and gameplay are stunning in NT but it really is just a glittery screen hiding an absolutely hollow and empty experience, compared to the previous two being so utterly jam packed with wonderful interesting content. Still got my Vita with duodecim on it, as it still puts the experience of NT to complete shame.
Agree 1000x. Duodecim is easily one of my top 5 fave games of all time, and Arcade/NT had almost none of the things that made that game so good.
Dude! I really wanted to love this game. I waited 10 or 15 minutes for a match. I brought some of the overpriced characters and their outfits. Now, it's RIP. We will always remember the PSP version
"Look, nobody plays Final Fantasy for the story, so let's just drop that and make it a cross between Devil May Cry and Ace Combat 5." - A now unemployed man in Japan.
Ace combat lol
CTHU!!
that's a big oof, mate.
But AC5 has a great story, you're talking about HAWX xd
I play final fantasy for its story o.o speak for yourself
We just want duodecim gameplay with NT graphic. As simple as that!!!!!
The best thing that came out of this was Opera Omnia, the turn-based RPG Raid Shadow Legends wishes it was.
DFFOO is the only mobile game I will ever enjoy.
lol the bringing up of Raid Shadow Legends reminds me of when UA-camrs claim Raid to be a unique innovative game it seemed more just another auto play game. Whereas DFFOO is the best mobile game.
I'm now curious what the fate of DFOO is going to be like, now that the game it's based on is dead. If they decided to unchain themselves from anything related to that game and (somehow) kill off both lazy-ass-incompetent Waifu-Idol and Emo-Dude god and bring back Cosmos and Chaos that would be fantastic.
@@orihalchon The Cosmos/Chaos thing was great because (if I remember the story correctly), it wasn't as simple as good vs evil, in fact Cosmos is quite morally ambiguous at times (again, going off a 10 year old memory here so please correct me).
Would love to see that return.
@Khaeldranis The gacha is only for equipment isn't it?
All I wanted was Duodecim with more characters and better graphics. As in a story, and not forced online 3X3.
I bought it and left off in less than a month.
I believe it was said by the devs that they got burnt out on 012's formula and wanted a 3v3 , so I wouldn't call it ''forced'' per se.
The Paper Knight yeah but it’s best to go with what you know
@@Pappa958 You shouldn't if you don't wish to. That just results in poor content with no soul poured in.
The Paper Knight as you can see they failed regardless if they would’ve been smart and remastered they would’ve made the sales and better reviews
@@Pappa958 Failed? Not really.
NT was just a port. The real game was the arcade , which sold well. I don't think NT's success was anything they ever banked on.
They did play it smart : they made a game accepted in a market they wanted.
My favorite part of the game was the unlockable character voice clips. I can finally have Garland say, “I, Garland, will knock you all down!”
It had such a perfect EN voice cast for it's characters that it made cutscenes so enjoyable to watch!
But I'm happy it lived as long as it did to at least to cover Shadowbringers content and giving Y'shtola her third look. I'm really happy they added Y'shtola~
Its sad that two psp games were better than a ps4 game.
That's the nature of freemium games.
At least a remastered version of those games should be made for all consoles I guess.
@@shadow4040 if they did that we would be complaining that we never get to play the arcade one
more awesome for my psp, still has value.
I think, at least for me, the rpg elements were the most missed features. From leveling up, to equiping items, skills and accessories to boost and customize your playstyle. Online was always lagging for me. Plus over reliance on air dashes was aweful for me. I dont want these characters flying. I wanted the wall runs, grinding rails and limited dashes of the psp ones. They felt so awesome and cinematic like the fights of advent children. Psp remasters would have been so much better.
Dissidia NT had a lot of potential. But being an "Arcade game" was kinda what killed it in terms of home consoles viability. Duodecim had a lot of side content and customization, which made the replay value gigantic.
As much as the idea of a 3v3 Dissidia sounds good, it was really poorly implemented in practice. Lots of way to cheese. Didn't play good, didn't feel good.
I hated the 3v3. Whenever I am in an intense 1v1 scenario, I get smacked by an enemy teammate from the side. It wasn't fun when that shit happens.
The problem is that they didn't add content when they released it for the Home consoles...the 3v3 is a good idea but it should have been an option, and a mode like King of Fighters. Like you said, DNT had a lot of potential...too bad...
The 3v3 aspect also really crippled character utility. Because they had to make characters fill roles instead of being playable in a variety of ways. I only ever played Duodecim with 2 other people, but the battles we had would be nutty. we'd play the same characters in wildly different ways. Exdeath could be a walking counterattack, or an extremely aggressive berserker. Tidus could be a fast moving blitzer or a mid-range tapper that whittled on your bravery. You never knew out the gate what you were up against. NT everybody has 1 "job" and has to stick to it. Resulting in not only battles becoming predictable, but also characters not feeling like the legends they are.
I really wonder what was the point of the 3v3 thing when they did so little to utilize it. Virtually all other team games, and amusingly actual Final Fantasy games themselves, make use of a multitude of roles like tanks/healers/utility/etc, whereas NT limited itself to speed/heavy/shoot (ie. three different flavours of dps) with very little exception.
@@KirbyGotenksabsorbed iv only played for 2 rounds of story, shocked at how bare bones it was and gave it back :/
But in response to your question I want to say I think the 3v3 could've been amazing. When I got it I was thinking of a 3d Marvel vs capcom 1 & 2 style with final fantasy ( my favorite rpgs and fighting games).
And as you said it could have been amazing if they utilized everyone within their roles... everyone didn't need to fly, and everyone didn't need to be their own "flavor of dps". FF is about strong team building and skill/stat modification.
I think something like a bruiser Tifa, a healer Yuna with some summon attacks, and Zidanes tricky fighting style on a team could have been amazing and that thought was what attracted me to the game. It just wasn't any of that. They did a bunch of superfluous stuff that could have AUGMENTED what everyone seems to be talking about, but instead took it away making it feel like a total gimmick :/
Eew. Edits
I actually Pre-Ordered this on PS4, and was pretty excited for it.. Until they released a playable demo. After downloading and playing it, i cancelled my order the next day, and transferred the money to Dark Souls 3 instead.
I wish I'd done what you did, but since I never touched the demo, I didn't know what to expect. All it took was one day's worth of play to see the writing on the wall right away, and I've been put off of preordering ever since.
I was like you and bought it the day it came out and didn’t play it for years. But after giving it a chance? It is very fun for online play. Sure it’s not the first 2 games, but it’s still fun.
Hey, psst, Square Enix. Want to know a real business move to salvage this wreck? Take the models from this game, the code from Duodecim and make a remaster.
That would truly be the best move
That would be a freaking legend
2.0!!!
they only care about theme not much of gameplay
YESSS
This is what happens when you only "give" players the bare minimum and charge obscene amounts for any and all "extras". I tried it out and was beyond underwhelmed. I didn't even put an hour of game play in before I walked away. I just love it when studios fix what isn't broke.
Such wasted potential of a game that could've been good.😞
Agreed =(
This is basically modern Square Enix’s middle name at this point.
I know im gonna get hatw but the game is good imo, the graphics the gameplay the roster is awesome
Remake Duodecim how it was, give us new chars and add team battles. Thats it. Its really that easy. But nooo, they gotta be “original“
i agree with the exception of team battles. They have proven they can't be trusted not to ruin the experience when adding team. Keep it 1v1 and use that time for additional content
@@dk9251 He meant 3v3 being an option instead of mandatory.
No team battles pls thats what they fucked up most
True has been spoken
I would rather have 3vs 3 “character switch “
than 3vs3 being controlled by different players, this formula is always flawed in fighting games.
As a moderator of the subreddit and someone who is been playing in arcades since its release, thank you for this video.
Most discussions of the topic tend to derail towards people just being more interested in past entires, but you have tackled the real issues this game faced, essentially poor decisions and console port support.
NT was pretty much made as an after thought as the team wanted to sell their cake and eat it too, and it felt, as it was born one year later than they originally promised the japanese audience. In Japan too there was a lot of frustration regarding this release, which ultimately ended up translating in arcades too.
Dissidia NT was laziness to the extreme.
No story mode
No local co-op
No RPG mode
Square-Enix got what they deserve by releasing a low effort cash grab for a well-known game people wanted on consoles.
If this game had a 1 on 1 RPG story mode, I’d be all over it.
And all the dlc is to expensive
they did have a story mode. whether it's good or not is another story.
And the worst thing is that duodecim made huge improvements on the og dissidia, so it would be nornal to expect huge improvements on NT
This is exactly how I felt. Screw this game
Was hoping the game would go on long enough to get Zack Fair as DLC :(
I mainly got the game just to see and play as the characters in a new graphic fidelity since the PSP ones. I accepted to the 3v3 style but was let down by the lack on single player content. I appreciate the amount we got but still felt lacking as the game sat on my shelf after completing story mode and never felt the need to pick it up again unlike the PSP games.
This game is the Street Fighter V of SE. This is painful for me I love both series is a shame this corporation's treat this ip's like this. I understand they just wanted money but to get money you need to respect your self and your fans at the same time.
Zack would have been so great man it hurts thinking how much potential nt squandered
you should have known this would happen when they announced a 10 year plan.
that is complete nonsense, a plan that works for 10 years straight is a fever dream XD
Would rather have someone from XI or III instead of Zack.
@@AlexanderMartinez-kd7cz In the Arcade market it is not though.
Many of Gundam's most played Arcade games are 5+ year old, there's even one that is 10+ years old.
In the Arcade market you only survive if you make your players happy so they can, willingly, spend their money in your game.
I don't understand why they didn't just adapt the OG Dissidia into a bigger console and made the 3v3 battle system for arcades only. It would've been nice to see the past cycles prior to the first two games, this game had so much potential and there were so many characters from the series that i wanted to be apart of this game, Vincent, Locke, Snow, Seymour. This is such a missed opportunity, i hope they make a game similar to it in the future but this time even better.
All we wanted was our favourite FF characters to interact with one another. Duodecim story was very simple and yet and enjoyed it because seeing all the characters struggling together and later win was just awesome. Keep the gameplay as duodecim and upgrade the graphic with another wholesome storyline. Thats it.
I'm wondering what would happen if SE took the Dissidia IP and tried to make a Warriors game out of it. Imagine mowing down hoards of Manikens while running across iconic locations from the franchise.
That would be awesome.
I'd be down to see a FF Warriors spinoff, especially one that tried to recreate some of the major battle/military events that occurred. Fort Condor in VII, Garden v. Garden in VIII, the attack on Burmecia or Cleyra in IX, the siege of Home in FFX, the fall of Insomnia in FFXV, heck, even events that were out of sight like Shin-Ra vs. Wutai in VII. Fighting military powers was kinda the thing in II, IV, VI, VIII, IX, XII, XIII, XIV, XV and the whole core of Tactics. Yeah, it'd be pretty neat to see.
A game on the 3ds, final fantasy explorers, is the closest SE has ever gotten to making a dynasty warriors type game or at least a cross between DW and monster hunter
Michael Singer And then throw in Hollow Bastion with the 1000 heartless fight as DLC for the sake of theming.
I would have liked that, or even Dissidia having chapters that re-created scenes from the games or scenes we never saw. I still want a damn playable version of Advent Children and the Dissidia titles could have delivered on that.
It was fun playing as Kuja for the five minutes before my game crashed... Other than that, I think I'll stick with Opera Omnia, their mobile game.
Opera Omnia is a lot better than a free mobile game has any right to be
Feel like if they fixed the lag/crash issues that might have made a big difference before worrying about new content.
I'm still baffled by them not having ever implemented Caius to the game.
WINGS OF DARKEST NIGHT
@@junglesona5151 I SUMMON THEE!
Riiight!? He would’ve been perfect for dissidia
it was because he wasn't popular in the japan favourite base. Snow was.
@@iiamapoptartt Oh I know that he's not Japan's favourite ff13 antagonist. (I don't understand as to why exactly, since he's incredible but I digress)
However, I do think that logically speaking, he was the best choice out of every ff13 antagonistic character and it's an absolute shame that they didn't listen to the western fans and didn't grasp the opportunity to get global requests.
It's a shame. But it had to happen.
It's like watching your friend not study for a test and then get an F and get grounded as a result.
Sure, you're sad that it turned out the way it did. But it was always going to happen, based on the actions and decisions made.
The problem being only that they wont learn from their mistakes. They just decide to avoid the entire game series instead, and everyone has to watch them do it.
Once I saw that you had to play online multiplayer to go through the story mode in any reasonable amount of time, I was incredibly disheartened. Once I noticed just how long it would take to unlock the entire story, I basically gave up. I wanted a sequel to Dissidia not the eSports spinoff that ,clearly, almost nobody wanted...
This.
You never had to do that, you could get one you needed through either offline or online, all you had to do was fight
@@TheOriginalSolicious I tried that. Offline fights took even longer lmao.
freakyfro99
Depends, in the time it took to find an online match, you could be half way through a gauntlet 😂
never got ps+ so i only play the game offline, it's pretty fun playing that way as well
they basically killed it, they changed the game mechanics so much that the game became complicated to older players
The funny thing is the predecessor games were much more complicated than NT, but were still much easier to understand because they were 1 on 1 and didn't hide half their functions such that you had to look them up online to even know what was happening and why.
@@Reshapable you know, thinking back about the previous games, I think you're right about them being a tad more complicated that NT, but as you said, they were so much easier to play that they felt easier in comparison. I played NT and was just too overwhelmed by almost everything on the screen, I really wished if they had stayed true to the original design. This is a perfect example of game developers always trying to make "new innovative ideas" when they are not needed in the first place.
I never had a sony handheld and I wanted just a console Dissidia. That’s not what it was.
@@drhaxan equipment loadouts, character levels, ability loadouts (remember when you could choose your brave attacks?), Equipped summons, support characters, chase attacks... Old dissidia had the potential for far more complications. They just felt less complicated because you were in control of at least half of it. It was a contest. When you're 1/6th of a match's input, you are never in control but still feel pressured to alter that, making for an unfixable stress loop. It's a gamble. There are of course good games that work on this model (moba's specifically come to mind) but they all have a major focus dissidia fails terribly at, visual and mechanical clarity. I'll get frustrated in a moba but never because I don't know what happened. I never know whats happening in NT.
@@Reshapable your comment is literally everything! You read my mind on those aspects exactly. It's such a shame that NT came out this way and nothing like the previous game. I just hope that this doesn't kill any future chances of it getting other releases.
Such a shame, the battle and character models look incredible too.
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Let's be honest here, they made the game into a 3v3 to try and outdo the arcade king that is Gundam VS, who's a 2v2 arena battler. However, they failed to capture the sense of speed and control that Gundam has, instead ending up as a cluttered mess that ultimately boiled down to bad character gimmicks.
I've seen this sentiment around here and there, and as someone who's very out of touch with the arcade scene I'm really curious why they made this choice. I mean, I presume that this Gundam game is very succesful but does it play anything like previous Dissidia games? If not, what made them think swapping game play styles would in any way be succesful, or suited for a console game? Honestly it kinda feels like if they wanted this, it should have remained as an arcade title- it kinda feel like that was the only audience that liked what they were doing with NT.
@@goranisacson2502 It plays nothing like the old Dissidia games lol but the Gundam games are so much more fast paced and the control on those games were tight. NT just tried to capture that but it didn't work. they should have definitely kept the original gameplay and have the team battle modes be optional and 1v1s be the main thing like before
Honestly if it wasn't 3v3 it would've made such a huge difference. I only ever had fun playing with friends, couldn't wrap my head around the summon battles to.
and also if they added leveling system and adding skill kit
IMO the main problem wasn't the battle system, but the lack of an actual story mode (a few hours of cutscenes and a few terrible boss battles that don't work well with the battle system thrown in don't count) and Character progression
Yeah that really didn't help it at all, it became such a huge hinderence. You'd end up grinding battle upon battle so get a tiny cutscene that didn't attribute anything to what they had as story. Rinse and repeat. Whomever came up that decision...we all make choices. That was a choice.
it could of kept the 3v3 but had the 1 v 1. And some of the systems in psp versions in this one.
I've always loved Dissidia, and although I love seeing all the characters redone in beautiful HD, this game just didn't get the care and attention it should have on console. I still play every now and then but with it just being dropped... i'm saddened, especially with some of the changes that have been made that make it even more difficult to go further up ranked. Although i get what they were trying to do with the team based gameplay and i've been adapting and learning it, the game is also way chaotic and i'd like to see a return to the Duodecim formula. NT can stay it's own original entity i believe, and it should be enjoyed as such. But I hope in the not too distant future they give this series more love, because this wrapped package of nostalgia and history is up there on my favorite things to happen to Final Fantasy.
Or just talk to Capcom about a crossover so I can finally have that.
The road to redemption this game needed:
> EX modes/Finishers
> 1v1
> Assists
> having more than 3 HP attacks per battle (like it should)
> Unlimited Timer for pvp
> Items
> remove the bloody target lines and handle targeting like a normal person
> Unlimited Dash
> mid-attack Dodge cancel
> Make Gundam Extreme Versus as it's role model for 2v2 and 3v3 combat
I'm still hoping for a miracle revival like what happened to ffxiv. I don't want them to abandon this series.
Well, we might not see that for a while. According to Square Enix themselves, all Dissidia related projects are on indefinite hold. We might not see another update to NT, much less a new game for quite some time.
I think this has been said a dozen of times already, but the biggest letdown for homeconsoles was probably that the expectations we had were based on the previous dissidia games and not on the arcade thing they did create. The story was not really accessable in a nice way, as you had to farm those crystals, then the missing systems for nice character progression and equip management that was missing. The unlockables felt like it is all just lootboxes and an attempt of a low cashgrab as (if i remember correctly) the ones you could obtain for free were limited. They really should have had a close look on the previous games when deciding on what to put into the console version, as the audience and expectations are vastly different from that of the arcade scene.
This. the reason why people liked Dissidia and Duodecim so much is because of it's a love letter to the fans. You get to play as all the different heroes and heroines that you grew up with. The story was shit but it was serviceable to the super fun combat.
Trying to turn it into nothing more than an arcade battler...I think they miss the ball with this one.
Honestly, it's sad how everything turned out to be. I played the game for one month and felt so frustrated that I couldn't play it anymore. Even with all the good intentions and hard work of the directors and developers, there's no doubt that NT was doomed from the beggining. I mean, the main focus of the game should have been the players of the PSP games, not the esports and new demographic. I can actually understand why they did that, but they made a very risky move and the game suffered from it.
NT doesn't feel like a Dissidia. It's a shame. One of the worst things I remember when I played it, was the lack of customization for characters. We played those games because they had so many builds, options, weapons, summons and challenges with every single character... It was mindblowing at the time and I still play the PSP games because of that.
And the story, even though it's not as deep as a Final Fantasy, it is pretty good. Especially with the original, the story makes a lot of sense, at least more sense than NT and Duodecim.
Overall, I was expecting this to happen, but at the same time, I didn't wanted to happen to one of my favourite fighting games of all time. Hope this is not the end of the spin of and it's just a break to give some space.
Good job with the video!
True, for example 2 clouds never were the same. It was really so detailed as a game
i still wonder why i brought it on first place.... now it is somewhere in the shelf....
@@campkira chance i bought it for 9.99$ just for my FF collection
Another franchise ruined by the e-sports.
Duodecim was a game I played basically nonstop for 2 or 3 years. I LOVED IT, and it got me interested in Final Fantasy. But it's sad it ended like this. I never got to play NT because I don't have a PS4. But I was still hoping to see it succeed.
I own 3 games for my PSP.
2 of them are the Dissidia titles. and I love them.
When NT came out I was hyped. Too bad it didn't turnout well.
The third one’s Crisis Core or Birth by Sleep, right?
Been waiting for this! All I ever wanted was better graphics with the same gameplay from Duodecim. Shame it came to this, but kind of expected.
AcheronJay hey, don’t you enjoy forced 3v3 (many depending on shoddy AI) and having to grind battles to get crystals that allows you to unlock a cutscene and then do it all over again!
Yeah, that killed it real fast.
@@evildeadfan420ify thats the only enjoyment in offline, unlike duodecim, if you finish the game, they added more content, unlike this it ended with no character development
All I wanted was more story and more characters with the same gameplay
Gameplay and content.
Another franchise stripped away from content and ruined thanks to the "esports" focus.
Generally speaking, I liked the game but I too got frustrated by the wait times and connection issues. It's a shame it's ending this way :(
Same here, when I was in a good match the game was flawless, the actual gameplay was amazing, the connection issues killed it for damn near everyone
Same. No one plays and I don't connect well to anyone who does. I've only had a couple of full 3v3 matches that ran without lag.
Agreed, I didn't mind the change as well but the loading though, it's on par with GTA Online- loading simulators basically lol tragic
Why is no one mentioning people that queue Dodge in ranked.
I bought the game on december, no one was playing online ranked, but I entered a random room and managed to survive against a crystal sephiroth,,,,,,
it was fun, I haven't finished the video yet but this just makes me sad
It saddened me. Though a lot of my friends bought it, I was hesitant. They didn't have any of my favorite characters, and the screen looked absolutely chaotic.
So I kept waiting. I wasn't able to play the previous versions because I didn't have the handheld, and this was supposed to be THE ONE. Plus, I don't like playing competively with strangers and would've strongly preferred a story mode.
But it never came. It's a shame really. In the end, I'm glad I hesitated. It wasn't for me.
MelaKenzu You saved mad money
You can play the previous Dissidia games via Emulators
MelaKenzu you don’t like playing competitively with strangers? Then why the fuck would you even play any online game? What kinda fucked up logic is that?
That first Dissidia was a classic. I easily put in 100 plus hours into that game. It never got old for me.
The fact that Dissidia NT is most likely the last time we will ever hear Steve Burton, George Newbern, and Rachel Leigh Cook as Cloud, Sephiroth, and Tifa is just depressing. ☹
Claytalian it is kinda sad that was it
Dang
Actually, I learned the Remake cast is only relevant to the Remake. Any other appearances by those characters outside the Remake will be the OG voices.
Jana Lybarger you poor naive fool...
Cloud and Tifas old VA was not that good.
The first two had great RPG elements weapons and armour that are not just skins BUT the mobile game is amazing and still going strong great story great character interactions (hate the gacha elements) if this version is what we had on PS4 with all the same stuff as the first two this would have been an amazing game
I feel like I’m one of the only ones that was ok with the 3v3. I would have liked an actual story mode, but it wasn’t a dealbreaker. What killed it for me was the horrible net code. I mained Squall all through the PSP games, but he was nigh-unplayable in NT, as only 1 in 3 games didn’t suffer from massive lag.
Cool channel glad to have found ya.
If they ever do sequel or a reboot and spent a good amount of time on it , it could be one of the best FF games ever.
the old game mechanics was already the best, that was there downfall for changing it
They turned a quality game on the psp that was based on story and gameplay to a game ehere they tried to take as much money from people as possible. Never have i ever been so disappointed in a game before
FFXV... *cough*
Don't forget Kingdom Hearts 3
@@jogymogy3691 Dissidia is the most dissapointing FF games they ever made, they should expect that we fans are mostly love because of a story, rather than gameplay
@@fraenznoa5508 very true. Dissidia could have been their magnum opus. Instead it's a huge pile of chocobo-shit... like FFXV
Damn i just bought it at discounted price of course now i see this lmao i was in the same boat playing this on psvita it was amazing i never even got to beat it for others reasons but still it was a long ass story which made gameplay endless damn this hurt do i gotta buy a psvita again and get this game damn shame seph is my fav but that grind takes forever i dont even think the psvita store is open
It's sad to know this is the last news about NT. Regardless of what others may say about the game, I personally loved it and will still continue to play offline. Still a personal favorite.
"lets try to sell a bad e-sports game to a market who like rpg's" seriously how did this version ever get approved?!
To be fair, Dissidia and Duodecim were a similar ridiculous sales pitch. They just gave you an experience worth your time and money, ridiculous amounts of content and gameplay way better than it had any right to be. NT had so much potential, really a shame things went the way they did.
@@zeroattentiongaming820 100% agreed
Almost like spinoffs don't have to be like their originals or something
@@DragoonCenten yep, an then it dies ....
Zak Wood wanna go ahead and say that to Tactics? Everyone sucks that series' dick. If you really think every spinoff ever is an instant failure and shouldn't exist you are delusional, and if you think they have to be exactly like their originals then you completely miss the point of their existence.
Man, the game's formula may be interesting on paper but it just was doomed in the long run.
I think most people would have preferred a non team type of fighting game for non arcade players.
Dissidia nt not having crossplay also makes it more difficult to play with friends.
Also, the way memoria works is very annoying and just not fun.
The game shouldn't have focused on esport without having big enough pool of players to begin with
Agreed - focusing on esports but console exclusive not pushing cross play? FF is a big brand but not a fighting game behemoth as it's an RPG series primarily a solo experience of a different genre. It being a team game took a niche and made it more niche and then even MORE niche by focus on esports (hurting appeal to those solo FF fans wary of different genre) and even MORE niche (lol) by being an arena fighter as fighting esport coverage tends to be 70% 2D, 30% 3D and pretty much 0% Arena. It's just so needlessly niche it needlessly hurt themselves.
Mind you the fans obsessed with spending literal years shitting on it every video and social media post because the differences between it and the older portable versions certainly didn't help growth.
Dissidia was at it's best when it was a love letter to the franchise. Duodecim is my favorite PSP game and has the best version of Lightning as a character. When it seemed like NT was going the route of another Team Ninja game; Metroid Other M in that was flashy but kind of missing the point, I decided to skip it.
Tbh, it's put a stain on team ninja. It's becoming obvious they can only be trusted with their own IPs. Anytime they make a game based on another's IP it turns out to be garbage. That's 2 IPs that crumbled to dust in team ninja's hands.
@@propheinx2250 Team ninja never gonna recover until another ninja gaiden
Huh, that's an interesting opinion about Lightning in Dissidia. Her character in Dissidia, much like many of the other protagonists, is just a slightly amplified personality of her character from her original game, undergoing an accelerated version of her character arc(s). In some ways I could see that as being an improvement, but in other ways it can also be a downgrade. Either way I like Lightning, I just find it interesting that that is an incarnation of her that sticks out to someone. Unless you were referring to her gameplay, in which case I can kinda see the point, even though her unique mechanic in 012 is a similar one to Lightning Returns.
@@vindifference No, specifically about her character. And yeah, I do find the condensation of her arc to be a positive. I would argue that they aren't amplified so much as simplified as some things about Lightning are definitely toned down. For instance, she is way less physically abusive towards people that are supposedly on her team.
I also find the characters she has to bounce off of to get through her character arc to work a lot better to get there because Lighting wears her angst outwardly the most compared to others like Laguna and Yuna or hell, even Kain who is mostly just stoic (that's not a criticism, I think it really works for what they do with him in DD).
Another reason why she sticks out so much is that while many of the characters Cosmos has summoned to fight for her who do so willingly or at least keep any ulterior motives under the surface, she is openly skeptical and constantly challenges the point of the conflict itself. She wants to see the big picture, not just what's around the corner.
And when she realizes she's not going to get that, and they will just end up mired in an endless conflict, she reclaims her own agency and goes out with middle fingers up to *everyone* while *still* performing an act of selflessness towards people she grew to care about and I really wish we saw more of that in her main games without having to wade through so much production and late aughts/early 2010's Square Enix bloat.
I for one will always associate Team Ninja with Other M, and thus will assume that anything they're put in charge of is destined to fail, because good lord was that game ever a disaster.
It's baffling how out of touch the people whom mandated the bad decisions were.
My biggest issue with it is that with the change to 3v3 from 1v1 battles it sadly took the EX Bursts as well. Guess it had no place in a 3v3, since ud make 5 people watch u do a cool active time event
Oh and that solo mode from PSP that had a Labyrinth kinda where u chose what path to take and which battles to do, that was super fun..
I'm bummed out about this. Out of all the games that came out those two weeks, this was the game that brought me the most joy.
This game is awesome
Once they shut down the servers there really will only be 11 of us who have all FF trophies 😳
All dissidia trophies?
Oh crap. 😮 I need to act fast
@@moisescorral8297 same. I need to get the game first
@@Sammmmmmmm617 all FF trophies. If you don't grab the Dissidia NT and F2P ones you won't have a chance of getting them again
@@Sammmmmmmm617 Don't forget about the ones from the F2P version!
Don't git me started on scrapping Xburst Finishers.... Loved watching Garland's
I was torn when they announced that there'd be no story mode. Duodecim was one of the first games where I actually got invested in it's story.
2nd game to make me feel buyers remorse...
Dissidia NT just makes me feel a sense of a waste of potential. I thoroughly enjoyed the PSP games and I wanted to have a console experience that rivaled the PSP experience. Since I was like 10 years old I always dreamed of the perfect Final fantasy fighter. Maybe one day well get to see that vision.
This game had so much potential. It’s a real shame SE didn’t care enough to pay closer attention to it.
honestly who didn't see it coming after it went F2P?
such a waste.
I enjoyed the game. But it was lacking in both content and characters. Sort of. It is sad that it didn't go out as well as they planned. Hopefully in the future, they'll reboot the series with better things to come! I really wish them luck!
I bought it for full price on Steam. Played it once. Uninstalled.
It's free on steam... unless you decide to buy all of thr character & outfit
Should’ve kept the 1v1 play style. OG characters’ skills should’ve been kept as is.
My friends and I purchased Dissidia last month on PS4 and continue to have fun with every session. Knowing the current state and future of the game we'll keep having fun as fighting game fanatics and growing FF fans.
It would have been cheaper to get 2 PSPs and a copy of either dissidia.(you only need one but it's complicated)
It's been almost been a month since the announcement and it feels like a dream (a bad one).
Dissidia NT (but not the Arcade) was plagued with bad decisions and it sunk both games at once, which was something unexpected since it was always theorized that if Square had to sacrifice one of them to maintain the other it was going to be NT, yet the current situation happened.
For me it was a really hard blow, specially because another datamine of NT was going on in the shadows, the remaining veterans were almost in our grasp, they were almost ready to be delivered. Zack and Vivi still remained in the data as placeholders, as a hope for them to FINALLY join the console Dissidia roster... but not it'll never happen until a next installment. It's very frustrating, specially for Final Fantasy IX fans who have been waiting for a 3rd rep since Duodecim.
What holds the future? I'm no oracle so I can't provide any answers, but I do know that 1v1 fans think themselves they've "won" their (imaginary) struggle against this game, but they haven't; in fact, we've all had lost. This game, sadly, was made exclusively for the Japanese and it did well for a long time, in fact it surpassed Duodecim's impact in Japan (which wasn't complicated since the reception of Duodecim didn't even surpass OG Dissidia's) and I don't think that the mentality of putting the Japanese first will die in the next entry of Dissidia, I can even see it being JP exclusive.
Why? The one and only person who wants Dissidia to at least consider a 1v1 return is Director Kujiraoka, the person responsible from 1v1 in the first place when the original concept of Dissidia couldn't work in the PSP (which, to anyone wondering, this original idea was in fact 3v3). Director Hazama and Tetsuya Nomura are very insisting in the idea that AC/NT is the stepping stone that will define console Dissidias. I can sense your (reader) frustration over this, and I can see why but, at this point in time and looking at what is happening with KH3 and Vs. XIII, what Nomura wants is what Square will do.
If AC/NT is the stepping stone that will define future Dissidias, then it's basically a dead franchise globally. 1x1 Fighting games have plenty of problems when it comes to netcode already, make that a 3x3 game and it's a complete disaster. It'll never take off as a major fighting/RPG franchise if they learn nothing from NT.
@@treyenma5206 . Despite the original post making a wall of comment, your comment was shorter and smarter.
@@SeventhheavenDK I don't know about all that, but I try.
@@treyenma5206 And that's why I can see any new attempt of Dissidia being JP exclusive.
Reaching Platinum in AC with ONE character costed you a total of $700, while maxing a character up to Crystal A and having all their cosmetics costed you around $2,400. And that's with ONE player and ONE character.
The maximum number of active DFFAC machines in Japan was 3,000, just by having ONE regular player in each one and them having the urge to max out a character makes a total income of $7,200,000!!
Arcades in Japan are scary on how they can milk players.
@@thatoneeco That's a damn shame too. I don't think it's so much arcades, as it's just the kind of thing SE does to their players. (Look at FF14 or Opera Omnia mounts/costumes for examples of ridiculous pricing). I think if Square-Enix wanted to put out something to really get an audience, they could do it, it was really just an afterthought to them to release it anywhere but arcades.
Its extremly sad I had high hopes in fact I was monetering the progress of the game back before it came out on counsel and had envisioned a way better game then the one we obtained shoot I wasnt even upset with multiplayer format as I belived that with how popular shooters were that this could be amazing. they then proceded to prove me wrong.
It's not the multiplayer components that killed it despite what the comments say, it was the divergence of gameplay.
It was foolish and stupid to change the mechanics the way they did.
@@iBloodxHunter in a way you are right, multiplayer is not the problem exactly, the problem is that the game was ONLY multiplayer.
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We expected them to break those limits, a "Limit Break" one could say.
All right, I'm going to be honest here. When I first looked at NT's trailers I was excited to see a gorgeous looking follow up to the Dissidia PSP games and I did my best to stay in check with what character Square would reveal. Personally I'm glad they did put Ardyn in, though it is a shame he's the last. I also that that they should either port Opera Omnia to the next sony console/PC ( as someone who plays the Steam version ) or even remake 012 with the modern graphics with a dedicated story as to why Vayne, Zenos, Noctis, Ardyn etc would be in it and include their own stories for such. Either way, glad their putting the series to a rest and I hope the next title is much much better. Thank you for the video guys.
I was so hyped and so devastated when I realized... I wasn't having fun. I never played Dissidia to be competitive. :(
I wholeheartedly agree. Especially in today's hyperpolarized culture where people are even more inclined to play by themselves.
i head back to Duodecim instead of this....
the opening trailer was pretty neat though
Yup! I just picked up NT which just figures. I hate the 3v3 but I am learning to have fun with it.
The PSP titles were great and I played them for hours on end.
Not only were there FF characters from every game, there was also an original story with Chaos and Cosmos.
Getting to battle feral chaos at the end of duodecim was so neat and his alternate costume where you looked like one of the enemies was so dope.
Shame they cut that out, was kinda the best part abut this entire thing.
Also not adding Zack Fair to NT? Welp, ya played yourself
It probably would've been best if it had just stayed in arcades. Like with Gundam Vs. and Gunslinger Stratos, that's where the type of game it is works best. But like a lot of developers, SE have learned the danger of trying to chase e-sports money.
The summon battles are my favorite part of dissidia NT.
I haven't played NT but the past titles & I do hope for a reboot of this series as well sence we have a lot more Chareters to pick from in both the Main Numbers & Side Titles
Yeah, what the developers did with NT seemed pretty unfortunate compared to the PSP titles. I played through the story modes of both Dissidia and Duodecim, leveled up each character, learned their skills, and collected/created equipment until each game started repeatedly freezing up to the point of being no longer playable... and I could figure no way to resolve it. When I tried playing NT once at a friend's house on his computer, I found no story mode. I was most familiar playing as characters like Cloud and Firion, but couldn't figure how to access/learn their abilities... and could not figure out how to enter their EX Modes, like Cloud's Omnislash Limit Break. Even worse was that the game was *SLOW*. Playing on-line, characters controlled by other characters seemed to be zooming around just fine, but the character I played took an incredibly long time to respond to any kind of input. I never played NT again after that day.
Psp versions were awesome! I just couldn’t get into 3v3 so it just ended up collecting dust
Despite all its flaws, I enjoyed seeing my homie Cecil in glorious graphics and shooting balls and bazookas of darkness. :^) I might still do gauntlets for funsies after it goes offline.
Same. I actually really love this game. People talking about story mode is cringe. This is a dream match arena fighter.
You're spot on with them not capitalizing on any of the ff hype. I bought the game twice and gave a copy to my friend. I was getting into ff heavy during dissidia so if arydan, and an ff 12 villian had came out it would have been perfect. The story decision also was weird as you couldn't get invested since you had to exit to play another mode to unlock more parts smh.
Dissidia on PSP was my first FF game but I was in love with FFX when I was a kid
Man I just got into the entire FF series last summer and have been gradually playing through the games and to see this one go out like this is pretty saddening. I always thought the dissidia series looked pretty cool especially considering that a lot of them were on portable consoles. Even if this one is plummeting though I’m still gonna give the free edition a go just to see what it’s like.
It plummeted because they fundamentally changed and watered down the mechanics.
Nothing sad about it.
What was it like? Did you get the chance to play it?
@@sundownerstrudel yeah. I thought it was pretty neat but the fact that fights only centered around 3v3 matches kinda sucked. It’s nice that they stepped out of their comfort zone to try something new, but if you discard almost everything that the previous games had that made them successful, it’s not really the same anymore. The game was still fun though.
@@sundownerstrudel The game is a fun arcade arena fighting game. Beautiful graphics and sound, great roster once u learn the controls the game is awesome
Dammit. And we just got my waifu, Rinoa, too.
Adrian Arshad and Tifa 😉
Is the arcade version still doing well in Japan? When I went to Japan, I saw loads of people playing Gundam vs series which is an old game, but not really on Dissidia.
As someone that played both psp Dissidia on launch, when this was announced, I was extremely excited. Followed all the Japanese announcements as they came out, and then home console announcement was really exciting. Unfortunate that it doesn't compare to the psp ones. Less characters than Duodecim, and I watched my friends play and have a lot of fun with it, but personally just couldn't get over how different it was to the psp ones. I wont be surprised if the Dissidia series is dead now, but its really sad since Dissidia and Duodecim are great games.
Honestly, Square would be complete and utter fools not to make another Dissidia game at some point... The potential is FAR too great for them to just leave the concept to rot, everybody KNOWS how much of a money making machine this concept can be, ESPECIALLY if it's executed properly... which sadly wasn't the case with NT.
Honestly, all they truly have to do for the sequel is:
1. Make sure the game is being built from the ground up FOR both CONSOLES and PC, that's where most of your actual fanbase is at, especially so in the west.
2. Make sure the game is being built as an ACTUAL F2P title from the ground up, forget the weird-ass hybrid NT was, look at what the currently successful F2P titles like Apex Legends and PSO2:NGS are actually doing RIGHT and make your own model accordingly. Capitalize on the fan-service-y aspect of the game to sell stuff in the shop, like alternate costumes.
3. Make the story mode an actual evolving narrative, with new "Chapters" coming out at somewhat regular intervals. No need for it to be a groundbreaking story, just make it a BIG fan fiction full of fan service for FF fans, because THAT'S what''s gonna sell it to us.
4. Make the playerbase an integral part of the development cycle, communicate with the constantly and release new content according to recent "trends", if FF7 Remake Part 3 is about to come out, then release a fan favorite character like Zack Fair or Tifa Lockheart along with a new map like Banora Village or Nibelheim.
NT could've been execute so much better and smarter... but the execution was so sloppy and weird that it killed any chances the game had
Duodecim is my favorite from the series. I enjoyed it a lot being able to use my previous save from the original game.
NT, on the other hand, never caught my attention, be for the visual style or the combat and "environment", even being way more sophisticated image quality
I remember trying out NT when it hit steam. It took me 15 minutes just to find one match and when I did, I get matched up with people from Europe as I'm from SEA
I feel quite sad by the news that support will no longer continue, even for the arcade version. For the past few years, I've made it a point to visit Japan twice a year, and each time, I spend a significant amount of time at the arcade playing this, because it is so addictively fun, even though I am terrible at it. I enjoy sitting down at the machine, placing my Nesica card and going at it with Tidus. Imagine my delight when I found out that NT would be coming to PS4? That news was one of the main reasons I ended up finally buying a console again after 10 years. Then, to have it go the way it did... I'll always have good memories of my times in the arcades with this game, and I hope there will be another version at some point in the future.
I got the game on launch because I loved the PSP games. I just couldn’t get into this one. I agree that there’s a lot going on in the HUD, and I felt the gameplay was complicated compared to the older entries. The F2P game that launched with it is fantastic though
It took me a day to learn the controls once u do tho this game is awesome
If they were gonna change the gameplay they could've picked a far better gaming studio. They should've gotten Platinum to make the game not Team Ninja. They also needed someone who actually understood the FGC in a way that actually matters. How can you make a fighting game and not care about hype? Hype is what keeps the game alive no matter what fighting game we're talking about. The moment the hype dies you're gonna notice a lot more people don't give a shit about your fighting game.
It's sad that it's come to the FGC to make a game great or not tbh. I've seen games get massive pushes only for them to die months later from issues like these. Samurai Shodown can't seem to maintain a base now despite characters dropping every few months and patches here and there. It may be due to the devs lax approach to it too that's contributing to it. NT probably would've survived longer but we'll never know.
@@Ziko577 . I agree, especially because this obsession with the esports thing is now used as an excuse by developers to be lazy and make empty games devoid of any content. Which was the magic of many franchises in the past.
I'm sick of that too. Every damn thing can't be an e-sport and that's the thing costing these companies so much money and resources. Activision Blizzard's bleeding money every day with so many dead games, MOBA's are dying a painful death thanks to them being unfriendly to outsiders and the fanbases being toxic as hell, and even Battle Royals are nearing a saturation point. When will they realize that and stop chasing all this shit for short term profit when it's a lot more easier to make something enjoyable?
@@Ziko577 don't compare the FGC to the rest of esports. The fan to developer communication is much more immediate and healthy.
Imagine an open-world action RPG Dissidia that focuses on story and single-player as well as co-op. I would love that...
From what I understand, the only season 2 character that some of the stuff got to working on before they stopped supporting the game, was Gilgamesh. So the other 5 characters for season 2 may never be known.
This is sad to me. As much I wanted it to succeed cause I have always loved the Dissidia franchise, nt just seemed like a step in the wrong direction to me. It felt like an alienation for fans of the original franchise and the story progression was a drag. I was one of those who bought the game at launch, excited to finally have a dissidia game on home console, only to delete it weeks later due to me just not enjoying the game. I really hope Square learned from this and can give us a better version later on.
If I somehow time traveled to talk to myself from 5 years ago and said I had zero interest in Dissidia on PS4 and instead was much more into the mobile title, I probably would've killed future me because I've obviously gone insane. I just wanted Duodecim+. :(
I really do miss this game 😔
This game could've been an easy slam dunk for Square-Enix. Bring everything in that made the PSP games so great and make it bigger and better. Instead, they went the Street Fighter 5 route and wanted to make it a mostly online multiplayer focused game, eventhough the PSP games had such great single player content.
I kinda hope that Square one day will revisit the Dissidia franchise and make another game and redeem themselves.
This game is "Dead or Alive 6 - Final Fantasy Edition". This game have awesome graphics!! But the story...is disappointment.
The story is still less generic than DOA6 and the previous Dissidias. Those 3 games no matter how deep the stories were ultimately boil down to “hero good villain bad, good guys win” cliche. NT’s story gave something more refreshing by having both sides team up with each other against a common enemy, then both sides win in the end
as soon as opera omnia released i knew this game was done :(
Both were released on the same day in NA if im not mistaken. But playing both games at launch OO already had more content as a F2P mobile game than NT did
@@IanThunderbolt dffoo is super addictive. I'm on JP. There's so much
smgofdvld ouch.....
Honestly I got bored of OO after a couple days...
@@PaganUchiha cuz u in the nub stage lol
Honestly, this game held so much promise to me, because I remember spending hours at a time playing the original 2 dissidia's. And I remember the first time I finally conquered feral Chaos, things like that are highlights of my times playing video games as a whole. And it really broke my heart to pay 60 dollars on an arcade game with only one mode to play. Like I would've enjoyed the game so much more if like, there were 1v1 and 2v2 modes. Better yet, what if there were wacky modes were you could have mismatched team comps? Like a 3v1 but the one character was jacked into infinity with stats. Like imagine if exdeath had 3-4 times the health, and countered/debuffed everyone into the dirt. I could imagine the 3 fighting him would have to actually try and coordinate to handle that. But no, unfortunately it stayed as an arcade game from start to finish with one thing to do.
I'm so sad to see it go. I hope Square has enough sense to revive Dissidia like they've revived other products.