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Peter (Tom Holland) uses the antidote he created to cure Doc Ock (Alfred Molina).
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Doc Ock's voice get's so much more quieter after being cured. Almost like he felt like he had to talk louder than the voices in his head.
Never thought about that, I like that theory
Probably
Also he’s just angry all the time lol
That makes so much sense!
I think that it felt for Otto like having a Schizophrenia or something like that.
This version of Doc Ock will forever be my favorite.
Mine too
This version meaning Molina in general, or this version as in NWH portrayal specifically?
Same! 👍
This movie is horrible. Script is horrible. DoC Ooc was much better in Spider-Man 2. Where he belongs. Not in these horrible marvel universe movies.
@@milesbbop9563 You are welcome to your opinion. Me and countless others love it and think it's one of the best Spiderman movies.
I love how they made Norman likeable. He’s the first victim of the Goblin, tbh
Indeed. In the comics and other versions Norman is always show already as corrupt CEO and abusive father, with most of the drama coming from Peter having to fight the father of his best friend rather than Norman situation with Goblin. In the movies, while he is not saint (he does ignore Harry and show favoritism to Peter more than his own son), he is not a monster like Goblin, who represents his inner anger and fear of failure and lost.
In excellent storytelling, the villain is never just evil or corrupt for no reason. They view themselves as righteous and the hero of their story. No one is born a villain. They become one due to circumstances in their life up to that point. By humanizing the villains in the MCU, the writers added depth to those characters. This film was a terrific addition to the MCU.
His greed created the goblin. Hyde cannot exist without Jekel.
@@tartfuel Exactly. Sure, it's possible to have villain who are just bastard but that doesn't mean they can have interesting backstory to explain where that evil comes from nor a motivation that people can understant and even connect to something we relate to, because characters, like any form of art, comes from real place and is by understanting this places it creates the connection between the characters and the public, making them interest in see where the story goes next.
@@maxpowers4436 Not just his greed but also Norman arrogance as well. When he said to Peter in Spiderman that they are not so different, he was not totally wrong, since they are both men who were bullied and betrayed by society (peter was victim of bully and Norman was fired by his company board). The difference is that Peter is humble and, when things go bad to his life, he just adapts himself to the situation, while is scared from failure which results in him being corrupt by Goblin and unleash his anger towards those who in his eyes ruined his life.
Lol, I love Norman casually offering Peter a job from another universe, he's like. Different universe no biggie.
Norman rules. XD
Multiversal travel in the main comic universe is as easy as pressing a button. Spider-Gwen commutes to Earth-616 for college because her secret identity was compromised on her native Earth-65.
Maybe American Chavez can transport him to Normans new timeline one day
@@andrewli6606 well for me honestly I think it would be hard to get used to so I won't try living in a different universe unless it's a really bad situation.
@@axelnilsson5124 you know, she's something of a universe traveler herself.
No way home shows that most of the spider man villains aren't evil by nature but are turned evil by a psychological means. The way they handled this movie in that way is great.
And yet it shows how flawed that kind of thinking is at the same time with Goblin
@@yimwaili5425 This guy is definitely on meth
Green Goblin-Dissociative Identity Disorder (Split Personality as Goblin)
Doc Ock- Schizophrenia (“voices” of tentacles in his head)
Lizard-Split Personality with Lizard form/identity
Electro-Powers amplified his anger and grand delusions that stemmed from his own insecurities and sense of inferiority
Sandman-Anger/Trust issues along with maintaining human form from powers (more of a physical problem to cure instead of mental)
when everyone is a victim of things rather than a villain of their own accord... its as boring a story to tell than if everyone is mustache twirling supervillain. some villains just need to be villains without some sob story to explain away their villainy.
Except that is not how Octavius was in SM2. The tentacles spoke with him and convinced him. He himself was consciously thinking that was justified after they told him what had priority but that is the point: He was still having his conscious thoughts. They just convinced him. Here it looks like they mind controlled him and made him angry which he was not even in the movie. Otto in SM2 beat the tentacles because he was not literally mind controlled like a puppet but because Peter told him that what he thought was flawed and then it took him only like 20 seconds to control the arms again. Here he had to be cured instead of just be convinced of morals. And no, him losing control over them and then being talked into a different mindset is not the same as mind control.
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And of course there is always someone answering nonsense even though the entirety of the product speaks a different language. That is youtube at its best.
“It’s so quiet...”
Man that got me, almost made me tear up. The moment you realize how long his tentacles were manipulating him. The moment you realize he just needed them to shut up. And the emotion in his eyes...
Well, he got teleported in from right before the end of Spider-Man 2. What’s scary is that he wasn’t Doc Ock for long. A few days. Maybe a week.
@@TonyTylerDraws Yeah, they know we know that but I really think the movie played on us knowing these characters for 20 years. It's almost the much older spirts of the characters than strictly the characters from the confines of their movies...
@@MrCCollins1993 facts… ik they are pulled straight from their universe but it seems like more time has passed and he’s been living with it
Really great acting by Molina.
It was subtle, he would use we instead of I alot.
And in context it makes the look on his face in his own movie at the end all the more painful.
“Intelligence isn’t a privilege, it’s a gift. To be used for the good of mankind.”
Dr. Octavius immediately after being cured: “how can I help?”
He’s why S2 is the best Spiderman movie.
That's why this is the best Spider-Man movie.
Plus Dr. Octopus is one of the best characters ever in Spider-Man Film History. With a great arc!
Gift and privilege backwards there
You're calling a tom holland spider man the best? Yikes 14 year old found.@@StarWarsMoments
@@cunningsmile4166 Depends on how the phrase, "To be used for the good of mankind" is viewed. If it is a stipulation, then yes, it's not really a gift, more of a privilege. But I think Otto meant it in more of a guidance tone, as he was a teacher saying it to a student at the time... possibly even a plea. Please use it for the good of mankind, now that you technically have free rein to do with it as you please.
The “it’s so quiet” and “how can I help?” Is so genuine, I can’t help but shed a tear at each line
Yep. He's really grateful.
@@watcherman222 And he became the only character out of the 5 Villains who did thanks Peter for curing him.
@@BooBop1987 and the best part for me is when he got cured, he immediately offered to help Peter in curing the others and he made good on that offer in the final battle.
@@watcherman222 Yeah, he sure did! And that's why Doc Ock Storyline is very special to the film.😊
Octavius still living up to what he told Peter in Spider-Man 2:
"Intelligence is not a privilege, it's a gift. And you use it for the good of mankind."
"Remarkable...the technology AND you..." That was definitely Norman Osborn showing genuine respect to Peter's scientific intelligence. Goblin wasn't in control yet.
Goblin was always in control, just letting Norman think he's in control while he stalks a new prey while watching & hearing everything with his perfect disguse to find out how to hurt him the most
He still naive and stupid for trusting Electro and Lizard who openly said they wanna take over
Neverminding the 50/50 of Norman
@@thegamingcomrades1669 It'd also pretty par for the course for it(?) to flatter someone, while also subtly insulting them because Peter hadn't noticed yet.
Like a "So smart, yet so gullible."
@@thegamingcomrades1669 Fair point, but what I meant was that was Norman talking...rather than Goblin putting on an act.
@@thegamingcomrades1669 yeah it’s sort of 50/50. Goblin wasn’t “in control” until Peter’s sense kicks in, THAT is when Goblin fully takes control over Norman, until then he was basically watching Peter and analysing him to find his weakness which was Aunt May pushing him to be compassionate which is everything the goblin isn’t
I absolutely loved how it showed that the villains really weren’t bad people. And it was so heartbreaking to see how Norman and Peter were getting along so well before Goblin took over
But sadly it's was short lived.
@@BooBop1987 In the end, Norman was cured, but it was clear that he was broken. "What have I done?" He left the 616 universe realizing he had murdered May Parker and taken Peter's mother figure from him. Wilem Defoe didn't put a big relieved smile on Norman Osborn's face. He gave the character a great sense of guilt.
@@thudthud5423 For real tho, even if the Goblin is gone he left Norman with a major guilt leaving him in a state on how can he atone for his mistakes
It works only for Norman and Otto, others are criminals, especially Sandman
@@thudthud5423 the MCU is earth-19999. 616 is the original comics universe.
I love that the first thing he wants to do after being cured is to help the others!
Once a doctor, always a doctor
Me too! Ugh that was great!
@@sethrigdon17 he's not a medical doctor
@@Joseph-mw2rl pretty sure he has a doctorate so probably a doctor.
Well, he is a doctor.
Al Molina’s take on Doc Ock is perfect. He nails it, despite the absurdity of the character himself, and adds a human and emotional gravitas that other actors might have just phoned in. Doc Ock in comics has always been kind of goofy. Molina plays it seriously (for the most part) and knocks it out of the park!
and makes Doc Ock's turn in to the Superior Spider-Man that much more believable
He's come a long way since stealing the idol and leaving Indy for dead.
I love Alfred Molina as our Dr. Octopus. He is one of the most sexiest characters that I ever seen in a Spider-Man Film.🙂
Molina made a great Doc Ock. I used to like Octopus in Spectacular Spiderman animated series. He was sometimes goofy but he could be serious as well. I like characters like him because he was not evil but someone with his knowledge could easily do a of evil. I wish they would keep Molina in MCU with the others as they would be a great team. It has powerful and intelligent characters that could do a lot of good and not just as heroes.
@@WalkerRileyMC he kind of hit a rough patch though when he started attacking those nudists on that beach
There's something about seeing a villain get the ever-loving snot beaten out of them...but being "cured" altogether is also something to see.
Well except for certain villains I mean there are some who will never be cured. Hell just take Joker as an example who many have tried to cure but they all fail. Joker is basically a psychotic version of Loki.
@@_gungrave_6802 I think Harley Quinn show got it close for me seeing how different he’d be
@@_gungrave_6802 Batman white knight comics kind of go at that approach and somewhat pretty good.
@@_gungrave_6802 joker was temporarily cured once, interesting storyline :)
Dr.Drakken:"0:31"
The whole theme of this movie was about second chances. The villains got second chances. Even Andrew & Tobey in a way got a second chance. Andrew got the chance to saved a loved one from falling to her death and Tobey got the chance to make a cure and save Norman.
not just that. it was also about shouldering the consequences and learning to rise above your failures
After stopping Tom from killing Norman/Goblin, Tobey’s Peter could have a second chance at a renewed friendship with Harry
@nguy19 exactly, they didnt undo any past events. raimiverse and webbverse was basically 5 episodes of ''what if the villains wouldnt pulled out of their own universes''
And the meta aspect that Andrew and Toby as actors got a second chance to play spider-man, most poignantly with Andrew, going from least liked Peter to now many fans most liked Peter.
Tobey got a second chance to cure Flint Marko instead of trying to revenge-murder him.
Dude, Alfred Molina. Hats off to you for making this literally perfect, couldn't have asked for this any other way.
That is the reason why that he is the best part about the movie.
the scene of him and Toby that calls back to Spiderman 2 still makes me tear up a bit, just feels like he is talking right to you
For sure. I never knew just how much I missed Alfred as Doc until I saw this movie. I swear, he was absolutely made for this role.
@@marlyblackwater1413 And we are all honor to see him again to come back and reprise his most famous character of all time.
@@BooBop1987 I was very happy to watch Alfred molina. I had no idea he was returning before even watching the trailer that revealed him.
Otto being good as he was at the beggining of spider man 2 was so wholesome, and how he helps the spidermen at the end... it just feels right for him
The only good Character out of the Former Members Spider-Man Villains who does have a very good arc. That's for sure.🙂
@@BooBop1987 Sandman wasn't exactly evil either, since he didn't intend to kill Uncle Ben, it was an accident. And he consistently showed remorse and regret for the pain he put May & Peter through. To me, that makes him about as likable and sympathetic as Doc Ock. Particularly considering the fact that at the end of Spider-Man 3, after being defeated, Sandman just comes clean about the entire thing and even states that he's not asking Peter to forgive him, he just wanted Peter to understand the situation he was in. I honestly liked the whole thing about Sandman just being a loving father who was desperate to find a way to save his daughter.
Almost 2 decades and i can finally say Octavius finally got his closure and freedom back. To me, he was the first sympathetic villain in my life i truly felt bad for as a kid growing up watching the earlier spider man movies. This feels complete and I'm happy he got a second chance in the end. This movie completes me.
Yeah, I feel bad for him too in Spider-Man 2. And we all need to thank Sam Raimi for making a very good character that we really do care about.🙂
You didn’t feel bad for Mr Freeze?!
Yeah I remember how he started out as a really nice guy (there was something about his wife, too, she died maybe?) and I felt bad about him. Dock Ock doesn't even look different despite all the years since then. Good make-up, I guess. I haven't even seen this movie, just clips, but maybe I will now.
Yeah, you sort of feel bad for Norman but he at least knew completely that he could go insane from doing what he did, and did it anyway
@@mushroomhead3619 that's DC not marvel...
I love how as soon as Doctor Octavius is done rejoicing, he immediately gets to work with a “how can I help?”
Once a doctor, always a doctor.
That is so darn sweet of him!
"Intelligence is not a privilege; it is a gift. And you use it for the good of mankind." - Otto Octavius, 2004
Imagine how it sounded in Octavius’s head the last few seconds before Peter fixed him; screams, screeches, squeals. Then in an instant just pure silence
Well, probably not just screeches and squeals. The tentacles talked in Otto's mind, as shown in the novelization. They are capable of talking, expressing their emotions and acting human. Should I send the part in the novelization where Otto started re-gaining control over his mind in a comment? Cause it's some pretty interesting stuff.
@@shocktun3s729 I'll follow up on this one with a please do, friend! That's something I'd love to read, if you still have it handy.
The bible talks about a "peace that passes all understanding." To feel that kind of peace after being driven by the hardware for so long...it must be overwhelming.
I always felt sooo bad for Otto, seeing how tortured he was at the end of Spider-Man 2. To seeing the weight of the arms psychologically lifted off his shoulders was tear jerking for sure!
Yeah, so do I Buddy!🙂
Dr. Octopus is truly the best character in the whole title movie. Hands Down.😊
I always have found the way this Doc Ock is treated in the original movies and here as interesting as the comic version is a sociopath with little to no redeeming features.
@@danielhaire6677 That is the reason why that I love the Movie Version of Dr. Octopus the best.🙂
Agreed. Everyone loves and is giving all the praise to Green Goblin. But Doc Ock was the highlight of the film for me. He’s my favorite Spider-Man villain
@@superjackster0165 Amen Buddy!🙂☺
Gobby was my favorite. He's so lit
“It’s so quiet...”
As someone with a thought-heavy variant of OCD, This line filled me with envy. I would do anything for just 5 minutes of a quiet headspace.
Having a continuous tinnitus ringing in my ears, that only gets opaque in a place with louder sounds, quietness would be a great stuff.
@@lordofrims tell me about it. my ears have just been getting progressively worse ever since a wasp hiding my car jumpscared me. something about the physical reaction to that just injured them.
Man I was saying this to my parents the other day. 100% understand bro
As another OCD sufferer, I fully hear this comment. Wish you all the best
When the ADHD kid takes Adderall for the first time
God, Alfred Molina is so charmy. The dude is in his late 60s and yet he still looks like the sweetest man you will ever meet.
You got that right Buddy!😊
Alfred Molina is one of my favorite Dr. Octopuses!
Well actually the movie using cgi on molina's face so he looked exactly like in the tobey's spiderman 2
I say, I would so love to meet him some day soon.
Me, too! I love him as Doc Ock when I was a kid when I saw him in *Spiderman 2* and now I love him more after watching *Spiderman: No Way Home* and I want to give Mr. Molina the biggest hug he’ll ever remember!
_'Says the reckless fool who turned himself into a monster!'_ And then that look of subtle enmity that Norman gives Ock - I can't tell if that's Norman or actually Goblin right there . . .
I think it's supposed to be Goblin
I think it's both of them.
Well Doc was in a similar situation to Hulk where he and the arms can have a hand on the wheel
People have to remember that Goblin & Norman are separate entities.... They were able to help these people, but be careful in real life, not everyone "just needs help" some like the goblin & the tentacles ARE bad without manipulations.
I think that's Norman. Mainly because, when Doc Ock is cured he says "Otto?" in a sympathetic and kind voice that Goblin would never do. Also, if he did change, Peter would've sensed it.
I think the moment he changes is just after this scene, where Otto talks to Norman about how it feels to be rid of his darker half, to which Norman replies that it'll be "just me", but in a slightly gobliny way, that most wouldn't recognize if they didn't know (and right after that scene we get the spider sense scene, so yeah)
I loved how Norman is totally immersed and in complete awe of the MCU's technology. He is a man of science after all.
You could say he’s something of a scientist himself
@@blackout3681 beat me to it lol
@@blackout3681 i just found this comment and was just about to say this exact thing
We were all thinking it!
I really love everything in this scene. Alfred Molina looks like he actually just awoke from a nightmare, the way his lips quiver before he says "I'd almost forgotten", like he's on the verge of tears. Every line he delivers is on point. Later when Goblin takes over and he says "Norman no..." it's heart wrenching because you know it hurts him more than most to see Norman losing himself, not just because they were clearly friends in this iteration, but because he knows first hand what it's like having your own mind and body out of your control.
I agree with everything ❤
@@sophiecooper18240:39 Which "reckless fool" at that
part was he referring to? Norman or himself?
Friends in this iteration...? Well, eh... In the novelization for Spider-Man 2 it is said that he found Harry more tolerable than his father, who's death he wasn't mourning in the slightest. My theory is that the whole experience he went through in Spider-Man 2 changed his opinion of others.
Maybe. Or maybe not friends, but fellow scientists who respected each other's work.
And yes, seeing Norman lose himself again, knowing first hand what it's like, that, "Norman, no" hits home.
@@shocktun3s729 Maybe he was just being a tsundere
"Remarkable...the technology and you..."
"I'm grateful, my dear boy"
Norman and Otto love every version of Peter. I love this.
0:42 Green Goblin: Oh sh*t he's on to me!
1:25 he makes those expressions just the same as 18 years ago.
I LOVE this scene. It’s one of my favorite scenes in the film. The acting is INCREDIBLE. As some of the other people are saying, this scene shows that the villains aren’t completely evil. They are seriously broken individuals.
EXACTLY!!!
Most of these guys were victims of a science experiment gone wrong or were in the wrong place at the wrong time. There powers along with their psychological stress altered there personality giving in to their newborn powers
@@Arturo-gh1on INDEED!
And it was especially heartwarming when Otto became grateful to MCU Peter for helping him in this scene.
@@Gabreya Especially with the reunion of Otto and his Peter from the Sam Raimi universe.
Damn that moment was nostalgic. 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭
Two friends from the same universe finally reunited after all these years
@@Arturo-gh1on I know, right?! That was A BEAUTIFUL MOMENT. Especially when Otto says with amazement, "You're all grown up!"
@@Gabreya For a moment I really though Doc Ock went back to his evil self 😂😅
Amazing acting and props on him giving Electro the cure 🎉👍🏼 with ease
I love how at the end he’s like “how can I help?”
I know nobody asked, but when I first got on antidepressants ... my first words were "it's quiet" and it felt so good.
I love how Norman is genuinly happy to see Peter succeeding, how different things could have been if he never went through with his body enhancement test
Or, if it worked properly and didn't shatter his psyche.
@@seiggrainhart4719the goblin serum is basically an incomplete version of the super soldier serum that made captain America.
The incomplete serum basically did almost the same thing in the Raimi universe as it did in the MCU universe. It enhanced the person but also gave them a second personality that takes over. In the MCU, it's Banner/Hulk and in Raimi, it's Norman/Green Goblin.
I loved how they did doc ock and sandman in this. Both actually were friendly with peter in the end of their movies, and now they were the ones helping peter out
Sandman is actually quite cold in the film considering his expected and somewhat supported helpful demeanour, abandoning Peter when things go haywire as the Goblin attacks, and simply wanting the box to go home as opposed to help in battle in the finale. I don't think it suits his character, as theoretically, his attitude should almost match, if not match, the kind attitude that we see in Doc Ock, albeit with a colder, more hardened slant. However, I do like that a character is colder and more selfish - Everyone being helpful would feel unrealistic and even goofily cheesy. I just don't think this suits Sandman's character.
Doctor still kept his arms. A remarkable homecoming scene to see in this spectacular moment. I love all the movies I've seen back in 2002. Spidey still got it
He is so darn lucky to be the only character of the movie who will keep his powers all the way in this film!
They are kinda fused to his body due to the accident.
@@BooBop1987 too bad he only has three mechanical arms now
Those things are fused to his spine. Peter can't fix that
Well yeah... They are fused to his spine
There’s a strong reason why Dr. Octavious is my favorite in this film…
Yeah, so do I!
1:29 the sam raimi defining violin's that start playing mixed with tom hollands theme was beautiful.
I love how they handled Doc Oc. His tentacle were affecting his mind thanks to the chip that prevented that being fried on his experiment. So when Peter installs the new chip, his tentacle are no longer affecting his mind. His reaction to the voices in his head being gone are heartbreaking. I love how he immediately says “how can I help?”
I'm choosing to believe that after they all went back to their respective universes, Tobey's Spider-man recruited Doc Ock and Norman into his own Avengers team. Doc still has his arms that he can use to help, and Norman still has his technological expertise and probably has the physical enhancements that came from his experiment, just now without the Goblin inside his head.
"Says the reckless fool who turned himself into a monster" I reckon that's what brough Green Goblin back out.
I think whenever they were talking about "fixing" each other Goblin came out, especially when Electro had the device put on him. He comes out when Norman is threatened usually, but he could've easily been faking it. He nearly tricked Peter into getting a blade to the back in Spiderman 2002.
IMO at the start up to this point Norman was never truly In control, goblin just took the passenger seat to study his prey closely to find what's keeping Peter going too far. Goblin could've taken back over anytime but instead played the Long game
I think he came back when they were alone in the room.
No that was Norman, because he was hurt by that comment, you could see, Goblin would have probably taken that as a compliment.
After Spider-Man 2 this felt so amazing seeing Doc Ock get a second chance after almost 2 decades.
We all love this dude so darn much!
The Octopus is cured
2:03 Now that is awesome
You got that right Buddy!😊
@@BooBop1987 💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💥💥💥💥💥🕷🕸🕸🕸🤟🤟
Good to have you back, Otto.
"Those voices inside my head, it's so quiet"
I'm betting that's what everybody says when winning a battle with depression probably the most satisfying feeling in the world
You wake up, or see a sunrise/sunset, or remember something funny from years ago... and you just smile. Genuinely.
This movie made me cry as much as Endgame did. That speaks volumes.
Same here, Otto’s actor showed a great sense of relief and freedom from the mechanical arms that was controlling him.
Yeah, it speaks at how manipulated you are into thinking emotions = a good movie. Endgame was decent but NWH was nowhere near as great as it could've been.
@@TheSCPStudio endgame had its best and sad moments, but moments like these where we see an old friend come back to us freed from his/her evil ways are nostalgic
Get help dude.
@@TheSCPStudio This movie could have easily just been one massive nostalgia trip where they bring back old characters shortly for no real reason. The movie did so much more than that with the characters. Involved all of them and added to them in ways they didn't realistically have to do. NWH is the only spiderman movie constantly making me debate if it can take spiderman 2's title as best spiderman movie. Because it very well could.
2:12 I’m glad doc ock finally got cured.
Yeah, you are right about that my Friend!🙂
Peter should have executed him. He was mean
@@BooBop1987 thanks.
Anyone who has ever seen SPM2 agrees with you
Octavius was worth saving most.
One of my absolute favourite scenes in the whole movie.. Alfred Molina just kills it here he makes it just so perfect
Yeah he sure did. And he is one of the best parts about this movie.🙂
That's the great thing about spider-man, he's pure hearted. Compassion makes a hero, as much or more than powers do. ❤💙
Yeah you got that right Buddy!🙂
Which is good. Because you really don't want to see Peter when he stops playing nice. Because then you remember that he can hold his own with, and against, the Avengers
You're 1 step ahead when Doc Oc calls you "Dear Boy". You know you got His trust.
I never knew that Octavius and Osborn actually knew each other in the Raimi universe. Did spiderman 2 mentioned it?
Harry sponsored Otto's work in Spider-Man 2, after Norman's death. I'd like to assume that with them being both scientists, they knew each other prior to Oscorp.
@@willh7352 in the game Otto use to work at Oscorp inventing most of Oscorps best technologies but Norman took all the credit
@@peter-josephlamusitele6296 they cofounded Oscop, Octavius and Osborne being the Os
@@peter-josephlamusitele6296 Very true, this is evident throughout the PS4 Spidey as well, just realized
It was something they added to this movie, but it does make sense they would know each other in some capacity.
I was left in shock in this scene because I thought Dock Ock was dead when he was cured because I thought they were trying to adapt the concept of Dock Ock dead but the arms take over and still control him entirely
obviously not
bruh u legit thought he was dead and looking healthy and speaking until now
@@aryan7767 I mean it’s not like really realistic but not far fetched either I just figured the arms were making the body live off the last nutrients and shit in his system temporarily
@@anthonythedubstepgamer haha no worries thats cool
Willem totally looked at the camera at 0:24
It's so quiet. Those voices inside my head. I almost forgot. I'm grateful, dear boy. Truly. How can I help?
Enough words to make a man cry 😢
0:10 i hope that is a foreshadowing of the next plot from the next movie of Spiderman
1:01 I can't help but feel Tom's delivery and facial expressions here are supposed to be homages to Marty McFly.
I believe he actually said a while back he used the character as inspiration. Might’ve been around when Homecoming was coming out
I love how doc oc turned into a puppy after he was cured. so adorable he was.
That is a very cute thing to say!😊
Well Goblin agreed too. You could kind of see it at the start of his first film, before the arms, he was prickly to new people, but once he got to know Tobey's Peter, he Uncled him. Once again, once Tom's Peter replaced his chip and given him the ability to think for himself again, Otto spent the rest of the film trying to protect him and Tobey and Andrew.
They should right a spin off comic book series of Tobey's Spiderman and Otto as a duo.
"with great power...comes great responsibility"
Tom Holland's Spidey showed that in a way they didn't with others. He's my favorite and in my opinion truly shows the comics Peter Parker.
Agree
He didn’t start well but in the words of another hero
“It’s what you chose to do now what matters”
Honestly speaking, Tom is the best to balance both Peter and Spider-Man really well and also got the best character growth of all but never got the respect because Spider-Man fanbase is unfortunately dominated by people blinded by nostalgia. IMO Tobey would have been still the best if SM3 didn't come into existence. SM3 completely ruined the character for me. Andrew's SM is only good at swinging and action sequence but got the worst storyline of all including worst characterization of Spider-Man (ofcourse not his fault).
But in terms of delivering performance all 3 of them are uniqely great.
Well said! That's the reason he's the only spiderman I like
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@@notme3603 Who said that?
I absolutely loved it how Doc immediately went back to his old, helpful personality... he never really was a villain!!!
0:38 this is what made him snap, that one little remark made the goblin come out
I love how before Aunt May dies, she at least got to witness ONE villain get cured, I love her expression at 2:11 like she’s proud of Peter in excitement for helping other people
I can only imagine no longer hearing 4 voices all at once telling you thinks turning you insane just stop immediately. Notice how he also talks quieter, no longer having to speak louder than his schizophrenia
@0:19 I like how that quick look at Peter is almost similar to how Norman reacted to finding out Peter (tobey) needed a job in the first Spider-Man movie
The way he portrays Dr.Octopus and Dr.Octavius differently is beautiful.
I don't feel bad crying at Alfred Molina's brilliant performance, since I found out the man himself shed a tear or two on set. The actors were just as affected by this as the fans, and you can see it in all their performances.
Plus he did play a very good character who has a very good storyline!
If there ever is a Back to the Future Reboot, Tom Holland should play Marty McFly. The way he says "Doc"... I kept thinking of Doc Brown.
But the bigger question to that... is who will play Dr. Emmett Brown? :(
Will smith
@@willh7352 Jim Carrey
Never ever in my lifetime will i allow Back to the Future to be remade. And neither does Robert Zemeckis.
I always had the idea of Marty McFly Jr traveling through time to figure out why our future didn’t end up the way his dad described it
I am really happy for Otto. He's a brilliant man and a wonderful ally. It's a shame that he wasn't cured of this sooner.
Even worse that he got his cure, helped Spider-Man cure the others, and at the end of the day, he's still probably gonna die stopping the fusion reactor back in his universe
@@rockerfish223 you mean earth-96283(ramiverse)
@@rockerfish223 Not necessarily. Norman would have two years to devise a plan to drown that machine as soon as Otto arrived. And quite frankly I think Norman would feel that he owes Otto one.
@@christianfrost8660 Since Norman survives, his timeline probably branches off into one where he’s alive, CEO of Oscorp, and never funds Otto’s research in the first place, especially knowing what he now knows. But at the point on the timeline that Otto returns to, Norman is still dead, Harry still backed the demonstration that turned him into Doc Ock, he’s still fighting Spider-Man on the waterfront, and the only way to stop the reactor is for him to drown with it.
TL;DR, once he returns home, Norman Osborn could probably save Otto Octavius in his timeline, but when Otto returns, he still has the tentacles and the heroism that inspired his original sacrifice in his timeline.
@@rockerfish223 Unless they are all sent into the same timeline. Norman is intelligent enough to try to force nature to take its course and to only change something if he had to. If I were Norman. I would vanish myself and only resurface at the docks that night.
This moment still hits me. So glad to have him back to normal.
Yeah, so do I!🙂
It amazing how we almost forgot that Norman came from the 2000's universe of Spiderman where the tech as Oscorp isn't advance enough,
Well, even if we updated the Raimi universe to match 2021 sensibilities, the technology in the MCU universe is still more advanced due to Stark and other supergeniouses.
I love how the music stops the moment the chip activates. And starts off soft when he realizes how quiet it's gotten.
Dude ock was always my favorite villian seeing him happy brought me such joy
I love this character so darn much!🙂😊
1:15 Michael Cole after Vince McMahon "retired."
Actually...yes
I love how the actor could go from a menacing pyscho to a nice and sweet older guy.
This movie really displayed how instead of being actually evil, the Spider-Man villains here mainly had a form of serious mental health issues:
Green Goblin-Dissociative Identity Disorder (Split Personality as Goblin)
Doc Ock- Schizophrenia (“voices” of tentacles in his head)
Lizard-Split Personality with Lizard form/identity
Electro-Powers amplified his anger and grand delusions that stemmed from his own insecurities and sense of inferiority
Sandman-Anger/Trust issues along with maintaining human form from powers (more of a physical problem to cure instead of mental)
As someone with DID, I disagree that any of these villains are representations of this disorder. Maybe the shitty, movie version of the disorder, but it is in no way reflective of ACTUAL Dissociative Identity Disorder. I haven't seen enough of the Lizard one to give much of a take on that one, but to me Goblin is kind of a combination of Electro (delusions of grandeur) and Doc Ock (hallucinations/hearing voices).
To be clear, I would agree that Goblin could be a system, which is the term for people who are multiple like with DID. There are ways of having multiplicity without is specifically being DID, and if we really have to insist that the Goblin is truly separate from Norman, and not just a delusion/hallucination, then I would say it falls more into that category that just straight-up DID. I'd say he falls more closely to a BPD (Borderline Personality Disorder) system rather than a DID system.
Again, this is all assuming we are ignoring the inaccurate depictions usually seen in movies. While it does closely align with many of those, and it very well could be what they were trying to portray as writers, it is in no way an accurate depiction if that's how you interpret it. The "one alter is evil" trope is inaccurate and is typically considered harmful by the DID/system community; the closest most systems have to an "evil alter" would be a persecutor, and those are a threat to the system themself, not those around it. Obviously, in theory anyone is capable of being violent or whatever, but the implication that if you have DID then you have a violent alter is one that exists in far too many movies and is just an incredibly harmful narrative.
TL;DR It's not DID unless you mean the shitty version that ONLY exists in movies.
@@jayp.7197 I hear what you are saying. However I did mention it was a FORM of a mental health issue, meaning it wasn’t an actual major diagnosis but something similar to it.
@@jayp.7197 Unrelated to this clip, but I'm curious on your take on the portrayal of The Beast in Split and Glass? At the very least, those movies focus more on the balance and internal interactions between the different identities of the character.
@@Demaad A metaphor for how trauma can damage people.
@@XIVDock I haven't seen them as many in the community have reported they are yet another problematic portrayal. My take on it is this: Even if the core message they're going for is good (balance, internal interactions, etc.) if it shows off an "evil alter" then it's a bad portrayal due to the harm it causes by spreading harmful stereotypes about the disorder.
One series I am excited for, though, is Moon Knight. I've heard that one has a better portrayal, which I'm definitely hopeful about!
If I'm not mistaken you can actually see the change of Norman Osborne to Green goblin in this scene when Otto calls him a monster
Yeah, there was something about that look he gave him. Lol
You got that right Buddy!🙂
I'm not a MCU hardcore fan (I haven't watched like 3/4s of it), but I used to think nothing could surpass Endgame, then this movie came, honestly a historic masterpiece in film history.
1:06 Anyone else get Marty / Doc vibes?
Best Spider-Man movie by far
1:37 Otto
1:51 would you look at that
2:18 how can I help
Molins's performance of Doctor Octopus is so good. A whole movie could be made just about his character.
Truly the only character out to the 5 Villains who has a Storyline from start to finish.
Norman loves every version of Peter lol
Alfred's acting here was insane
He is one of the best actors out there,
“if you need a job and your willing to commute to another universe” one of my favorite lines from NWH
The pay and benefits better be nucking futs for that kinda commute~🤣🤣🤣
Norman Likes Old Friend Otto 1:37 🥰
Otto is such a sweetheart when his tentacles aren’t giving him hell… I know Willem Dafoe was great, too, but Alfred Molina is also incredible in this movie!
Well, what can I say. They only wanted to be good children.
The only scene where William didn't steal the scene but rather Alfred did.
2:18
Spoken like a true doctor 😢
1:05
Being one hundred percent honest, in the theater I thought he killed him.
So dumb
SAME, I almost died seeing that
I love how Otto talks. I can’t explain it, I just think his word choice is nice.
Yeah, so Do I!😊
Alfred Molina was phenomenal in this movie.
And the only actor who did play a very great character in a Movie. Who does have a great Storyline!
@@BooBop1987 Willem Dafoe and his Green Goblin were awesome! Alfred Molina was a standout but Willem Dafoe hijacked the movie with his acting alone. And the Goblin in this movie was terrifying!
This made me super emotional, hearing him say he almost forgotten what it was like to be at peace.....oh man that got me. 😔
I genuinely cried happy tears for him.🥹
He is one of the best characters Ever in Movie History.🙂
Everyone is talking about doc ock's genuinesness but no one is talking about Norman's at the beginning. I almost feel bad for him for what happens later.
He’s come such a long way from his first role in Indiana Jones.
One of the payoffs for having truly excellent actors as the various villains is scenes like this
The Only Best Villain of all time who did redeemed himself the most!
You can help by fixing this damn door!
Otto : 👁👄👁
Give me Rent
It's my favorite scene in the movie, because it connects with the whole Spiderman 2 character story
You are right about that My Friend!🙂
Except it detracts quite a bit from Ock's character arc.
In Spider-Man 2, after Peter reminds him of his own motivations for being a scientist and how what he was doing was a betrayal of all that the responsibility of intelligence entailed, he singlehandedly puts his arms in control. he voluntarily did everything he could to redeem himself at the end...
In No Way Home they just put a software patch on him and voila... Not much agency on his part.
@@Blasckk That’s because at the end of Spider-Man 2, Doc Ock realized the error of his ways and took control of the arms whereas here, that hasn’t happened yet and the device Peter and Norman built is just like the original chip that broke because of the tritium solar flare
@@Blasckk That is the reason why that Doc Ock has the best arc of all. That's for sure.
This was so cathartic to watch seeing a good man return to his true potential.
I cried watching this scene in theaters, to finally be Otto Octavious again
He is truly the best part about this movie. Hands Down.
"how can I help?" They just grew their team by one serious player.
Otto's dear boy always gets me.
I am so happy the actors from the original movies came back to their characters. I would Of not seen the movie if their were new actors playing these characters.
Dr octopus and venom are my 2 favorite villains in Spider-Man.
Cool!🙂
1:57 The Integrated Suit
Dr Oct was even a hero in this movie which makes this movie so good.
Well, if he have a little bit more of a role at the near end of the movie. I would love to see him be a great team Member for the 3 Spider-Men Dudes. And they will become the 4 Unlikely Allies.
I like to believe that when Doc ock says "science fair project" it's a referencd to MJ saying "you got what you needed for your science project" when doc ock kidnapped her in SM2