Huge thanks for showing this feature! Like you, I find it breaks the immersion a bit if I have to toggle to the same position twice to get opposite toggle switch function. Now it is built in! Happy camper here. :)
My pleasure! And I'm with you there and is exactly why I didn't use toggles very often unless there was a "Special for Joystick" binding that would let them work correctly.
Nicely done. I only heard of this a day ago when someone responded to a video I had made about the STECS Max and how they gave us a 3-way toggle but only assigned two positions. There was a solution in the VKB software but I learned that there was a solution in DCS which you also just demonstrated. Very cool stuff.
Thank you so much!! I'd set up the Lua files ages ago and lost all my setting last when I had to get a new computer. This has save me loads of time not having to mess about!!
For the longest time I've been wanting something like this! I mostly fly the Harrier when I do fly, and it's got some ON-else-OFF controls but not many.
On else OFF bindings are nice, and I do wish there were more of them. This method works just as well! I tried to write extra lines into the control LUA files to add them, but learned that there are about 4 different ways that the control binds are written.
I'm not sure when they added this feature, been a few months at least. Certainly not very well known, but I am glad that Eagle Dynamics added this feature!
I'm struggling to bind the autopilot A10c (3 ways) switches to my VPC CM3 throttle 2 way toggle switches, just like you are doing in this video for the probe on the Hornet. It would be very useful making a specific new video for the A10 about the same topic.
That should work, though the only issue I see is if both toggles are set to on, something that is impossible with a three way toggle. I’ll tinker with it and see what I can find.
That's cool, but the Su-27 doesn't seem to have the appropriate new separate On and Off bindings available, which means I'd have to add them manually, which would mean I'd have to do the same thing I do now and modify Lua files...unless there's something I missed here. Great video though!!
Is it unusual for toggle switches to act as two different buttons in their up and down position? My only experience so far is with the gear lever on my SEM box, but that has a different button press for each position, so I just bind one to gear UP and one to gear DOWN.
Yes, it sounds like you have an ON-ON toggle switch, or your controller is generating a button press for each switch position. In your case you would bind the switch like normal for each position and not need to set the OFF position like I showed, at least for your SEM controller anyway. :)
You know, I haven't used that beyond the occasional firmware update and just set up everything in DCS. I shied away from using joystick profiles and software after my underwhelming experience with the Saitek SST software years ago. And thank you! Enjoyed the Warthog a lot since I bought it a couple years ago, and the new Viper throttle is really awesome too.
@@DieselThunderAviation Dude I have owned my Warthog HOTAS for a week and I love it, but I honestly didn't even know they made an F-16 throttle lol. I've been dreaming of that throttle since I was a kid when Iron Eagle just came out lol. Definitely in my upgrade path.Dig your vids too man, sub'd for the Jets! 👍
Totally understand that feeling! I upgraded a 17 year old Saitek X-45 to the Warthog, and it was a night and day difference! Got even better when I added an extension to the stick. The new Viper throttle is set to release next month, on October 11th. And thank you! Glad you are enjoying the channel!
I found this out about 1 week ago as well however I was unable to use this effectively with the hornet's parking break. Unlke the f-14's parking brake, the f18's parking break has to be pulled and turned. It can be done on a 2 position toggle switch, but you have to cycle your switch like 5 times to turn the parking break on and another 5 times to turn it off. If you figure out a way to setup the hornet's parking break to be turn on and off on 1 cycle please let me know! Great Video!!!
Thank you, glad you found it helpful! That control will be a tricky one to do with toggles I would think. With that being a dual mode control, I can't think of an easy way to set that on a toggle. I'll tinker with it in the sim. If I find a solution, I'll post it.
This is why I have always said the WH throttle sucks for VR because of all the one way switches. Now it only sucks a little because most are not usable when the throttle is forward lol
Not just limited to Thrustmaster. I've observed this with Saitek and homemade sim controls as well (Arduino based or stuff like Button Box). WinWing may either be using ON-ON switches or using the firmware on its control board to generate the signal when a switch is off. The new Thrustmaster Viper throttle has an option for making discrete inputs when switches are in their OFF states.
@DieselThunderAviation I hear yah. I'm not sure what Winwing uses, but my two-way and three-way toggles work no matter its starting position. Makes me love my Winwing stuff event more. I only use the software for updates and calibration when and if needed.
Yeah, I was a bit confused at first too as a Winwing user since each position on every switch registers as a button. Gotta give more credit to an already great throttle for never even having to deal with this issue! Now just to figure out how to properly setup the A10C to have all 3 flap positions bindable...lol
It's the down part that is the trick, as most toggles don't register an input signal in their off states. This allows DCS to have the ON else OFF logic condition natively, without relying on 3rd party software or LUA editing to do it.
Thank You, I only have the winwing ka-50 collective which has a 3 way toggle ( up,center,down ) Doesn't seem to be an issue in that case @@DieselThunderAviation
Seems some of the controllers will create a discrete input to the PC for a toggle switch off state. My Warthog does not do it, but the new Viper throttle has that capability. Sounds like WinWing is doing that too.
Thanks for that, very useful. (although when you were going gear goes up I was heaeing Homer Simpson going "Bed goes up. Bed goes down......." 🙂
My pleasure! Now that you mention it, I do remember that scene. Funny stuff!
This is great, thank you. I've been flying in DCS for several years and had no idea that this was possible!
I didn’t think it was possible either, not natively that is. Sure is a nice feature though!
Huge thanks for showing this feature! Like you, I find it breaks the immersion a bit if I have to toggle to the same position twice to get opposite toggle switch function. Now it is built in! Happy camper here. :)
My pleasure! And I'm with you there and is exactly why I didn't use toggles very often unless there was a "Special for Joystick" binding that would let them work correctly.
Nicely done. I only heard of this a day ago when someone responded to a video I had made about the STECS Max and how they gave us a 3-way toggle but only assigned two positions. There was a solution in the VKB software but I learned that there was a solution in DCS which you also just demonstrated. Very cool stuff.
Thank you! I!m not sure why this isn’t more widely known, but am glad we have it as it makes things like this even better. Cheers!
Very good explanation!
Using “off” states for permanent toggles will give you multiple and versatile binding options.
Thank you! And I agree, being able to use the OFF state is very useful!
Thank you so much!! I'd set up the Lua files ages ago and lost all my setting last when I had to get a new computer. This has save me loads of time not having to mess about!!
Glad I could help!
OUTSTANDING!!! Fantastic that you let us know about this feature. Thanks bud!
My pleasure!
This was actually helpful, thank you!
You're welcome, glad it helped!
Thank you for showing us this feature of DCS controls Diesel Thunder.
My pleasure!
Bro you're a life saver, Jesus! I was studying a way to code my way to a On else Off profile for the SU-25T and Mig-29. Thanks a lot ❤
My pleasure!
How did you get this to work with the SU-25T? It doesn't seem to have these OFF options as something you can bind to.
Wow this is cool! Been using Quaggles to write my own controls to handle this but this is way easier
Definitely makes things easier!
This is huge! Thanks for sharing, I will definitely make use of this new feature.
My pleasure, glad you found it helpful!
Thank you so much for showing this and taking the time !
You’re welcome!
I'm only at 5:07 and he's already my hero
Thank you!
Dude, That's GOLD!!!!!
It sure is!
For the longest time I've been wanting something like this! I mostly fly the Harrier when I do fly, and it's got some ON-else-OFF controls but not many.
On else OFF bindings are nice, and I do wish there were more of them. This method works just as well! I tried to write extra lines into the control LUA files to add them, but learned that there are about 4 different ways that the control binds are written.
Very cool find… thanks for sharing.
Thanks a ton! Really nice to know that's possible!
Happy to help! Was a nice discovery for sure!
Thanks! Got now Ka-50 up/down 3-way switches working on hotas!
Awesome, glad to have helped!
Freaking fantastic! Thanks for showing this.
Thank you for sharing!!! This is massive
Thanks for sharing!!
My pleasure!
Good this is about time ! Thanks for the headsup
Any time!
That’s awesome, had no idea of that function. 👍
Was a nice surprise to find that feature for sure!
Awesome! Thanks dude.
My pleasure!
nice find 👍
Thanks 👍
Absolutly brilliant, thanks a lot that what i searching for
Glad to have helped!
Thanks! That helps a lot!
You're welcome, glad it helped!
Wow, is this a new feature or we're all just loopy and never noticed it? I've got a lot of mapping to consolidate now, thanks man!
I'm not sure when they added this feature, been a few months at least. Certainly not very well known, but I am glad that Eagle Dynamics added this feature!
Great stuff! Thanks!
My pleasure!
Thank you so much, i wouldve never found that out on my own 😂
Glad I could help!
very good video, this really helps me configure my tm warthog throttle! Thanks♥
Thank you! I did the same thing with mine too!
good to know. Thanks
Glad to help!
I'm struggling to bind the autopilot A10c (3 ways) switches to my VPC CM3 throttle 2 way toggle switches, just like you are doing in this video for the probe on the Hornet. It would be very useful making a specific new video for the A10 about the same topic.
That should work, though the only issue I see is if both toggles are set to on, something that is impossible with a three way toggle. I’ll tinker with it and see what I can find.
Thank you @@DieselThunderAviation
Fantastic video, I had no idea
Glad you liked it!
huge thanks Mr. from germany
Gern geschehen! Happy to help!
That's cool, but the Su-27 doesn't seem to have the appropriate new separate On and Off bindings available, which means I'd have to add them manually, which would mean I'd have to do the same thing I do now and modify Lua files...unless there's something I missed here.
Great video though!!
Is it unusual for toggle switches to act as two different buttons in their up and down position? My only experience so far is with the gear lever on my SEM box, but that has a different button press for each position, so I just bind one to gear UP and one to gear DOWN.
Yes, it sounds like you have an ON-ON toggle switch, or your controller is generating a button press for each switch position. In your case you would bind the switch like normal for each position and not need to set the OFF position like I showed, at least for your SEM controller anyway. :)
The TM "Target" software does this pretty easily.
Throttle looks sick BTW.
You know, I haven't used that beyond the occasional firmware update and just set up everything in DCS. I shied away from using joystick profiles and software after my underwhelming experience with the Saitek SST software years ago.
And thank you! Enjoyed the Warthog a lot since I bought it a couple years ago, and the new Viper throttle is really awesome too.
@@DieselThunderAviation Dude I have owned my Warthog HOTAS for a week and I love it, but I honestly didn't even know they made an F-16 throttle lol.
I've been dreaming of that throttle since I was a kid when Iron Eagle just came out lol.
Definitely in my upgrade path.Dig your vids too man, sub'd for the Jets! 👍
Totally understand that feeling! I upgraded a 17 year old Saitek X-45 to the Warthog, and it was a night and day difference! Got even better when I added an extension to the stick. The new Viper throttle is set to release next month, on October 11th.
And thank you! Glad you are enjoying the channel!
I found this out about 1 week ago as well however I was unable to use this effectively with the hornet's parking break. Unlke the f-14's parking brake, the f18's parking break has to be pulled and turned. It can be done on a 2 position toggle switch, but you have to cycle your switch like 5 times to turn the parking break on and another 5 times to turn it off. If you figure out a way to setup the hornet's parking break to be turn on and off on 1 cycle please let me know! Great Video!!!
Thank you, glad you found it helpful! That control will be a tricky one to do with toggles I would think. With that being a dual mode control, I can't think of an easy way to set that on a toggle. I'll tinker with it in the sim. If I find a solution, I'll post it.
Very good, THX Sir for this usefull Information. 💯👌🤙
My pleasure!
Thank you,this very cool!!!!
My pleasure!
wow awesome. thank you!
Brilliant
😮🤯👍
This is why I have always said the WH throttle sucks for VR because of all the one way switches. Now it only sucks a little because most are not usable when the throttle is forward lol
WHEN TF DID THIS CHANGE HAPPEN?!?! WHY WAS I NOT INFORMED?!?!?😱
Not sure when this got added, but I’m glad it did!
Really cool. Must be new, or ive just been stuck frustrated.
So far I've been unable to find when they added this capability. But I'm glad they added it nonetheless!
I've never had an issue with mapping my Winwing stuff. They just mapped with no issue. Must be a Thrustmaster thing or issue.
Not just limited to Thrustmaster. I've observed this with Saitek and homemade sim controls as well (Arduino based or stuff like Button Box). WinWing may either be using ON-ON switches or using the firmware on its control board to generate the signal when a switch is off. The new Thrustmaster Viper throttle has an option for making discrete inputs when switches are in their OFF states.
@DieselThunderAviation I hear yah. I'm not sure what Winwing uses, but my two-way and three-way toggles work no matter its starting position. Makes me love my Winwing stuff event more. I only use the software for updates and calibration when and if needed.
Yeah, I was a bit confused at first too as a Winwing user since each position on every switch registers as a button. Gotta give more credit to an already great throttle for never even having to deal with this issue! Now just to figure out how to properly setup the A10C to have all 3 flap positions bindable...lol
Must be a newer feature. I've been using RSMapper forever because of this.
It’s been in for a few months at least. Haven’t yet come across the change log that mentions it.
@@DieselThunderAviation I read every patch and I never saw anything about it, lol.
Uhmm..... Just set the toggle up to "gear up " and the down to "gear down "
It's the down part that is the trick, as most toggles don't register an input signal in their off states. This allows DCS to have the ON else OFF logic condition natively, without relying on 3rd party software or LUA editing to do it.
Thank You, I only have the winwing ka-50 collective which has a 3 way toggle ( up,center,down ) Doesn't seem to be an issue in that case
@@DieselThunderAviation
Seems some of the controllers will create a discrete input to the PC for a toggle switch off state. My Warthog does not do it, but the new Viper throttle has that capability. Sounds like WinWing is doing that too.