The whole description you said about "I was communicating emotionally with my surroundings" was very good, it resonates with my experience. I also feel a sort of openness and intimacy with my surroundings sometimes and it has an emotion tone to it, it's like seamless communication with the environment, clear receptivity to the senses. It also feels very intimate, and the word love comes to mind, in the sense of being so so close to the experience. I don't know if this makes sense but that how it comes out, it's just awe. Compare that to the massive filtering that used to go on when I was more mind identified. The surroundings were held at a distance, known, identified and understood. The intimacy does not shine through when that's running. Lovely David so glad you're speaking.
Nice. I'd describe it like a miracle that became mundane. The miracle starts to appreciate its self and that is completely natural and effortless. I still can't believe it. It's like winning the lottery x10000000 constantly over and over again 😂 (not awakening, just connection to life)
Thank you David! I am sensing into it- it feels like I am being replaced by everything moment by moment. But I also feel a deep connection to everything that wasn’t there before. It’s so paradoxical- I thought it I thought about others more and more I would feel more love…it turns out that realizing the absence of self creates love for the whole! Amazing. So grateful for the help you have provided on my journey
Thanks so much for this, thanks for being honest. I felt so expansive and behind every perception.. and so in love with every variation of this richness.. but maybe there was still a subtle position being grasped because felt like I fell back into total ignorance and contracting for years. This seems to bring more clarity.
Hi David Thank you so much for this video. I resonate the whole time listening. I've noticed when my mind listens to it, it feels full of purposes and intention. But when there is just listening to your video, it feels ease and relaxed. The contrast is getting obvious here. When observing thoughts, it felt like there is something watching the thoughts. But, suddenly a thought came to me: 'that something is aware of itself.' I suddenly opened up to what is means by awareness is aware of itself. I immediately focus all of the attention to that something feeling like aware of the thoughts, and after a long while, it becomes clear there is not something there. Still there is a sense of disagreement to the discovery lingering; it feels like wanting to hold on to that something. I don't know what's happening, but at the same time I feel like I know as I am able to describe what's happening. But describing it makes no sense. it doesn't mean anything. all just non sense and confusing again. I don't know how long this confusion will last. It feels like being years of confusion. Thank you. I enjoy listening to you.
Awesome 🙂 I know exactly what you mean. Nonconceptual knowingness, or awareness not bound to concept or subjectivity. The separate subject doesn't need to be there for this to be aware of it's self, it's inherently self aware anyway! 😂 Isn't it amazing!?
It’s so tempting to remain in the awareness bubble.. when I listen to you speak about no-self all the bliss is replaced with a dark heavy energy and a great sense of dysphoria overtakes me… nevertheless something compels me to keep listening 😮
That's good, it means you're actually sensing into what I'm pointing to. This realisation goes so far beyond any polarity of experience we can go through. So it's no longer about being attached to a bliss state, because that bliss state is always going to be balanced out with the opposite polarity. When there is no longer a point of view that can interpret sensation as bliss or suffering, then those extremes of experience are transcended and replaced with whatever is here immediately. When it's clear that is inescapable, then the one who feels the need to escape to something better is forgotten about. That existential dread experience you are feeling is the energetic product of the fundamental point of view I am talking about. It creates its self spontaneously due to conditions. So there is nothing that can be done about it other than not resist it with another position. When these subtle mind movements eventually calm down through direct and clear seeing, no-self becomes clear 🙂 Enjoy it like a bad horror movie, it doesn't last long. So try and feel it fully. When you orient towards it rather than trying to cope with it, it vanishes. Then it comes back when you're not paying attention 😂
love hearing this stuff. I feel a glow that radiates from the chest to the rest of the body but it's not contained by the body. It's not an emotion. this sounds so absurd but the glow is almost a mirror image in front of me
Sounds cool. Emotion is just a designation, same with thought, sound, sight, sensation etc.. There's so much of it that I'm completely unable to explain, but really clear in experience. Like if I listen to music now with my eyes closed, I get closed eye visuals that are kind of mixed up with thought stuff and sound, which dance to the music. I can experience the thought-consciousness creating time and space with the sound and constructing some sort of strange world of thought/sound/sight/emotion on the threshold point of time-space. I have to use all those words to describe it, but the experience is indescribable and doesn't fit into any commonly known convention 😀
@@difficult_to_describe what does 'emotion is a designation' mean? it is pretty cool! it's always here now and changes in intensity. especially with inquiry or accepting something I was resisting. the music thing sounds mind blowing! I get what you mean though. Some of this doesn't translate nicely with words 😂
@@gipsymoth1574 I mean like a label or categorisation as opposed to the direct experience. Like I have felt emotions and sensations before that there is currently no word for 😂
A couple of "months" ago, there was a seeing how the character here was a construct of stories, beliefs, and assumptions, and that there is no self. This was followed by a period of nihilism and then recently a relief and more of a lightness to life. Sometimes, there is still thought identification happening, but when listening to your pointing just now, the emptiness you are pointing to is recognised and feels like "home". There are thoughts coming up with a desire to deepen the realization. Those are the thoughts that are the most sticky. How was your experience with this? Thank you for sharing 🙏🏼
@@sonofnature610 Can relate to all that in my story. That there is a recognition in you of the desire to deepen this, and the subtle movement away from simple and complete presence suggested in those thoughts is perfect. Because there is something else there shining through. Something inherent and already of infinite depth. I found that subtle view of being something here on a spiritual path eventually drops away in its reality when the brilliant radiance of this immediate sense experience is allowed in full. The senses overtake that inherent view because there is nothing in it that can be comprehended 😂 and there is a simplicity here that can just let go into it's self infinitley 🙂
is no self a feeling i understand the concept of no self i understand the self is made up contract of accumulated thoughts throughout your life binded together to create a false self but when you release no self ill it be profound
No self is just what this is (experience), without anything being added to it. We add conceptual framing to experience to try and understand and control it from a personal point of view. Without that personal point of view, experience is what it is, which is indescribable. All descriptions and interpretations require a point of view, what I am pointing to re. no self is so direct and undevided that it's not possible to perceive it from a point of view, it is the fabric of perception it's self. To try and describe it, all senses unify into a kind of complete singularity. So there is no division between sight, sound, touch, thought. But there is also no division between sight and no sight, sound and silence, thought and no thought. No separation between one moment and the next, an external world and an internal subject etc... Its not something that changes about experience, it's that the point of view that experience seems to be based on is relaxed to the point that it's not there anymore. So what this is and always has been becomes clear, but it's not confirmed as such by a subject, because the subject is the point of view 😂
Ahhh another beautiful expression found its way to my youtube haha hi david, thankyou for sharing, i want to ask, so it feels like its happening gradually here, iv had glimpses etc and im feeling a falling in love with myself as the character fades away i love her haha, but the other week i was relaxed and all of a sudden i felt strange, it was uncomfortable and in that moment i observed my mind say oh shit, you have only gone and done it, then my mind reolied with well this is what you wanted haha, but with thinking this was it and i was uncomfortable my body reacted, my heart beat the hardest it ever has, so fast and intense that for a week after my chest was so sore, i just closed my eyes and it eventually calmed down, did you experience anything like this, like my body maybe thought it was going to die haha can this happen again untill i can be ok with it and it will become less is what i thought ?
Yeah I think most people experience this. Because we are letting go of the norm and facing the unknown right here, which is like facing the mystery of death/mortality. When faced with the infinite, the sense of self reacts, thoughts ramp up and there is a fear response in the body. It goes away the more we come in touch with, directly, that part of our being that is unknowable from the point of view of the separate subject. When over time our sense of what we are realigns with or relaxes back into the infinite but self confirming mystery of what is here. Its good because it means you've broken out of the subconscious cycle of habitation that is mind Identification and directly come into contact with what you are, which is always here. It just doesn't make any sense from the mind's point of view 😂
@difficult_to_describe thankyou so much, really appreciate this, It was pure fear, iv definitely never felt anything like that before, it did put me off wanting to inquire for a little while but I'm feeling good to keep going with this again now, I'm finding this process so fascinating how it all comes about 🙂
@@onepartyroule What is it that would make this not random? Or organised with a narrative/purpose/reason? More interesting for me to ask you rather than me give you an answer :) Because if I give you an answer, you might believe me 😂
@@difficult_to_describe I guess I’m considering experience being contingent on a more fundamental reality as a theory. Like, something is being experienced, whether real or not, which seems to imply a more fundamental reality as a source for it’s possibility, which seems to suggest the prospect that it isn’t random. I guess I’m just surprised you’re making the claim that it isn’t random rather than saying you don’t know whether it is or not.
@@onepartyroule I can't claim anything all I can do is tell you my experience,and my experience is it's compmete randomness, giving rise to the appearance of order and Purpose. So both at the same time. When I talk about these things, the purpose it to point to something about experience. Any ontologocal statements I make aren't statements about something that is independently fixed as an a tually existing reality, they're just for the effect of providing direction in inquiry for whoever is listening. So my intention is that whoever is watching doesn't take anything away from what I said as a fixed idea or philosophy, but rather the language creates an opening that can lead to insight. That's why I constantly contradict myself
@@onepartyroule Lol sounds about right. But with awakening, the only tool we have is a pedicure set and for some reason it works sometimes 😂 For some people, there seems to be an resistance to letting go of, or an inability to see past the conceptual side of this for a while, whereas some people quickly get that awakening isn't a conceptual thing. I'm not sure why this is. I have a very conceptually oriented and logical mind, but for some reason when I read that awakening isn't a conceptual understanding, some part of me got that and I was able to intuit past concepts after that point. Although I got caught up in them a few times, I just somehow got that it wasn't conceptual. For some reason, some people don't seem to be able to let go of the effort to understand this conceptually. I think it might be because they know if they dropped the concepts, they would wake up 😂 and that's unknown or mysterious or uncontrollable. The attachment to mind-based understanding seems to be in some way at attempt to control this, how it goes or what it means, but that doesn't work. The one thing that's not confusing about awakening isn't a concept and that's continually overlooked when the mind attempts to understand. I posted a short where I said something like, if you are ever confused about this or not sure whether it's this or that, answer the question with "paradox" and come back to inquiry. Whenever we are struggling with dualities or "is it this or that", by definition that's not what I'm pointing to in these videos. It's just a distraction or an excuse for the mind to keep reinforcing the sense of the separate one who needs to know. The danger with talking about this too, is that people might believe what I say and use that to reinforce a conceptual framework about what this awakening thing is or what it means, rather than investigating their own experience, which is what I'm pointing to. If you scroll through the comments (and I'm not saying one is better than the other or anything like that, it's just different stages of this) but you can see a split between those who are focused a lot currently on concepts and those who have largely let go of the conceptual side of this. Then there are some in between. One will have lots of "is that/what/why" questions, and one will just be a statement about that person's experience. What it felt like listening to the video or like a self report of how they feel on the subject re. their own experience. Some people tent to go back and forth between these two stages pre-awakening. Or I knew someone who was very conceptually fixated who never actually inquired properly, inquired once and had a mad awakening 😂 it was like the concepts were something he was using to just avoid doing that 🤔 I also find myself saying one thing to one person, and like the opposite thing to someone else, because this speaking style is so flexible and there is no rigid meaning behind it, it's possible to do that and still be pointing to the same thing 😄This is a good video topic I've not addressed this in a while 🙃
So David did it become apparent that desire and will to accomplish any task are just more concepts and stories and really it’s just life happening on it’s own accord? There may be what we would describe as sensations of desire and will, but that’s just what appears to be happening? All is completely random and really not even happening? I asked it, so I’ll leave it, but as usual, the questions seem to have been answered just by the inquiry.
@@maryrosemitchell9682 Yeah you're right, it's happening on its own, the thoughts just come in to contextualise what is happening from a personal point of view. But the narrative thoughts are also happening on their own, it's the same spontaneous appearance. What makes it look like there is a distinction is a kind of buy-in or felt reality regarding what the thoughts are saying about the way it is. There's absolutely no real separation to be found in experience, anywhere 😂 but in the beginning with this path there is a kind of separation from the personal thought narratives. Later on that is reconciled and the relative world is re-integrated back into the realisation.
@@difficult_to_describe thanks David!! Yes the buy in which is just habitual mind chatter which arrives like a breeze. Can’t be controlled. But through grace or something inexplicable seems to be noticed “here”
The whole description you said about "I was communicating emotionally with my surroundings" was very good, it resonates with my experience.
I also feel a sort of openness and intimacy with my surroundings sometimes and it has an emotion tone to it, it's like seamless communication with the environment, clear receptivity to the senses.
It also feels very intimate, and the word love comes to mind, in the sense of being so so close to the experience. I don't know if this makes sense but that how it comes out, it's just awe.
Compare that to the massive filtering that used to go on when I was more mind identified. The surroundings were held at a distance, known, identified and understood.
The intimacy does not shine through when that's running.
Lovely David so glad you're speaking.
Nice. I'd describe it like a miracle that became mundane. The miracle starts to appreciate its self and that is completely natural and effortless. I still can't believe it. It's like winning the lottery x10000000 constantly over and over again 😂 (not awakening, just connection to life)
Thank you David! I am sensing into it- it feels like I am being replaced by everything moment by moment. But I also feel a deep connection to everything that wasn’t there before. It’s so paradoxical- I thought it I thought about others more and more I would feel more love…it turns out that realizing the absence of self creates love for the whole! Amazing. So grateful for the help you have provided on my journey
Thanks so much for this, thanks for being honest. I felt so expansive and behind every perception.. and so in love with every variation of this richness.. but maybe there was still a subtle position being grasped because felt like I fell back into total ignorance and contracting for years. This seems to bring more clarity.
Perfect 🙂
have been "binging" your vids!
@@demogadget Good luck don't go crazy 😂
@@difficult_to_describe There is no stopping now 🤪
Hi David Thank you so much for this video. I resonate the whole time listening. I've noticed when my mind listens to it, it feels full of purposes and intention. But when there is just listening to your video, it feels ease and relaxed. The contrast is getting obvious here. When observing thoughts, it felt like there is something watching the thoughts. But, suddenly a thought came to me: 'that something is aware of itself.' I suddenly opened up to what is means by awareness is aware of itself. I immediately focus all of the attention to that something feeling like aware of the thoughts, and after a long while, it becomes clear there is not something there. Still there is a sense of disagreement to the discovery lingering; it feels like wanting to hold on to that something. I don't know what's happening, but at the same time I feel like I know as I am able to describe what's happening. But describing it makes no sense. it doesn't mean anything. all just non sense and confusing again. I don't know how long this confusion will last. It feels like being years of confusion. Thank you. I enjoy listening to you.
Awesome 🙂 I know exactly what you mean. Nonconceptual knowingness, or awareness not bound to concept or subjectivity. The separate subject doesn't need to be there for this to be aware of it's self, it's inherently self aware anyway! 😂 Isn't it amazing!?
Much apreciated ❤
It’s so tempting to remain in the awareness bubble.. when I listen to you speak about no-self all the bliss is replaced with a dark heavy energy and a great sense of dysphoria overtakes me… nevertheless something compels me to keep listening 😮
That's good, it means you're actually sensing into what I'm pointing to. This realisation goes so far beyond any polarity of experience we can go through. So it's no longer about being attached to a bliss state, because that bliss state is always going to be balanced out with the opposite polarity. When there is no longer a point of view that can interpret sensation as bliss or suffering, then those extremes of experience are transcended and replaced with whatever is here immediately. When it's clear that is inescapable, then the one who feels the need to escape to something better is forgotten about.
That existential dread experience you are feeling is the energetic product of the fundamental point of view I am talking about. It creates its self spontaneously due to conditions. So there is nothing that can be done about it other than not resist it with another position. When these subtle mind movements eventually calm down through direct and clear seeing, no-self becomes clear 🙂
Enjoy it like a bad horror movie, it doesn't last long. So try and feel it fully. When you orient towards it rather than trying to cope with it, it vanishes. Then it comes back when you're not paying attention 😂
Love this, thank you for sharing ❤
love hearing this stuff. I feel a glow that radiates from the chest to the rest of the body but it's not contained by the body. It's not an emotion. this sounds so absurd but the glow is almost a mirror image in front of me
Sounds cool. Emotion is just a designation, same with thought, sound, sight, sensation etc.. There's so much of it that I'm completely unable to explain, but really clear in experience. Like if I listen to music now with my eyes closed, I get closed eye visuals that are kind of mixed up with thought stuff and sound, which dance to the music. I can experience the thought-consciousness creating time and space with the sound and constructing some sort of strange world of thought/sound/sight/emotion on the threshold point of time-space. I have to use all those words to describe it, but the experience is indescribable and doesn't fit into any commonly known convention 😀
@@difficult_to_describe what does 'emotion is a designation' mean? it is pretty cool! it's always here now and changes in intensity. especially with inquiry or accepting something I was resisting.
the music thing sounds mind blowing! I get what you mean though. Some of this doesn't translate nicely with words 😂
@@gipsymoth1574 I mean like a label or categorisation as opposed to the direct experience. Like I have felt emotions and sensations before that there is currently no word for 😂
@@difficult_to_describeohhh that makes sense 😂 thanks lol
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Woohoo!
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@@HP-is-here Woohoo! 🥳
A couple of "months" ago, there was a seeing how the character here was a construct of stories, beliefs, and assumptions, and that there is no self. This was followed by a period of nihilism and then recently a relief and more of a lightness to life.
Sometimes, there is still thought identification happening, but when listening to your pointing just now, the emptiness you are pointing to is recognised and feels like "home".
There are thoughts coming up with a desire to deepen the realization. Those are the thoughts that are the most sticky.
How was your experience with this?
Thank you for sharing 🙏🏼
@@sonofnature610 Can relate to all that in my story.
That there is a recognition in you of the desire to deepen this, and the subtle movement away from simple and complete presence suggested in those thoughts is perfect. Because there is something else there shining through. Something inherent and already of infinite depth.
I found that subtle view of being something here on a spiritual path eventually drops away in its reality when the brilliant radiance of this immediate sense experience is allowed in full. The senses overtake that inherent view because there is nothing in it that can be comprehended 😂 and there is a simplicity here that can just let go into it's self infinitley 🙂
is no self a feeling i understand the concept of no self i understand the self is made up contract of accumulated thoughts throughout your life binded together to create a false self but when you release no self ill it be profound
No self is just what this is (experience), without anything being added to it. We add conceptual framing to experience to try and understand and control it from a personal point of view. Without that personal point of view, experience is what it is, which is indescribable. All descriptions and interpretations require a point of view, what I am pointing to re. no self is so direct and undevided that it's not possible to perceive it from a point of view, it is the fabric of perception it's self.
To try and describe it, all senses unify into a kind of complete singularity. So there is no division between sight, sound, touch, thought. But there is also no division between sight and no sight, sound and silence, thought and no thought. No separation between one moment and the next, an external world and an internal subject etc...
Its not something that changes about experience, it's that the point of view that experience seems to be based on is relaxed to the point that it's not there anymore. So what this is and always has been becomes clear, but it's not confirmed as such by a subject, because the subject is the point of view 😂
David I heard it once described as 'eternal freshness in perpetual motion '. Is that what you mean? Thanks really enjoyed this one 🙏
I want to hear how you would describe it 🙂
@@difficult_to_describe 😊
Ahhh another beautiful expression found its way to my youtube haha hi david, thankyou for sharing, i want to ask, so it feels like its happening gradually here, iv had glimpses etc and im feeling a falling in love with myself as the character fades away i love her haha, but the other week i was relaxed and all of a sudden i felt strange, it was uncomfortable and in that moment i observed my mind say oh shit, you have only gone and done it, then my mind reolied with well this is what you wanted haha, but with thinking this was it and i was uncomfortable my body reacted, my heart beat the hardest it ever has, so fast and intense that for a week after my chest was so sore, i just closed my eyes and it eventually calmed down, did you experience anything like this, like my body maybe thought it was going to die haha can this happen again untill i can be ok with it and it will become less is what i thought ?
Yeah I think most people experience this. Because we are letting go of the norm and facing the unknown right here, which is like facing the mystery of death/mortality. When faced with the infinite, the sense of self reacts, thoughts ramp up and there is a fear response in the body. It goes away the more we come in touch with, directly, that part of our being that is unknowable from the point of view of the separate subject. When over time our sense of what we are realigns with or relaxes back into the infinite but self confirming mystery of what is here.
Its good because it means you've broken out of the subconscious cycle of habitation that is mind Identification and directly come into contact with what you are, which is always here. It just doesn't make any sense from the mind's point of view 😂
@difficult_to_describe thankyou so much, really appreciate this, It was pure fear, iv definitely never felt anything like that before, it did put me off wanting to inquire for a little while but I'm feeling good to keep going with this again now, I'm finding this process so fascinating how it all comes about 🙂
@@TheMadnessOfMeMyselfAndI Awesome 🙂
@21:12 how do you know it’s random? Or what’s makes you conclude it?
@@onepartyroule What is it that would make this not random? Or organised with a narrative/purpose/reason?
More interesting for me to ask you rather than me give you an answer :) Because if I give you an answer, you might believe me 😂
@@difficult_to_describe I guess I’m considering experience being contingent on a more fundamental reality as a theory. Like, something is being experienced, whether real or not, which seems to imply a more fundamental reality as a source for it’s possibility, which seems to suggest the prospect that it isn’t random. I guess I’m just surprised you’re making the claim that it isn’t random rather than saying you don’t know whether it is or not.
@@onepartyroule I can't claim anything all I can do is tell you my experience,and my experience is it's compmete randomness, giving rise to the appearance of order and Purpose. So both at the same time.
When I talk about these things, the purpose it to point to something about experience. Any ontologocal statements I make aren't statements about something that is independently fixed as an a tually existing reality, they're just for the effect of providing direction in inquiry for whoever is listening. So my intention is that whoever is watching doesn't take anything away from what I said as a fixed idea or philosophy, but rather the language creates an opening that can lead to insight. That's why I constantly contradict myself
@@difficult_to_describe Would you say using language to convey this experience is like trying to do dentistry with a pedicure set? xD
@@onepartyroule Lol sounds about right. But with awakening, the only tool we have is a pedicure set and for some reason it works sometimes 😂
For some people, there seems to be an resistance to letting go of, or an inability to see past the conceptual side of this for a while, whereas some people quickly get that awakening isn't a conceptual thing. I'm not sure why this is.
I have a very conceptually oriented and logical mind, but for some reason when I read that awakening isn't a conceptual understanding, some part of me got that and I was able to intuit past concepts after that point. Although I got caught up in them a few times, I just somehow got that it wasn't conceptual. For some reason, some people don't seem to be able to let go of the effort to understand this conceptually.
I think it might be because they know if they dropped the concepts, they would wake up 😂 and that's unknown or mysterious or uncontrollable. The attachment to mind-based understanding seems to be in some way at attempt to control this, how it goes or what it means, but that doesn't work. The one thing that's not confusing about awakening isn't a concept and that's continually overlooked when the mind attempts to understand.
I posted a short where I said something like, if you are ever confused about this or not sure whether it's this or that, answer the question with "paradox" and come back to inquiry. Whenever we are struggling with dualities or "is it this or that", by definition that's not what I'm pointing to in these videos. It's just a distraction or an excuse for the mind to keep reinforcing the sense of the separate one who needs to know.
The danger with talking about this too, is that people might believe what I say and use that to reinforce a conceptual framework about what this awakening thing is or what it means, rather than investigating their own experience, which is what I'm pointing to.
If you scroll through the comments (and I'm not saying one is better than the other or anything like that, it's just different stages of this) but you can see a split between those who are focused a lot currently on concepts and those who have largely let go of the conceptual side of this. Then there are some in between. One will have lots of "is that/what/why" questions, and one will just be a statement about that person's experience. What it felt like listening to the video or like a self report of how they feel on the subject re. their own experience. Some people tent to go back and forth between these two stages pre-awakening. Or I knew someone who was very conceptually fixated who never actually inquired properly, inquired once and had a mad awakening 😂 it was like the concepts were something he was using to just avoid doing that 🤔
I also find myself saying one thing to one person, and like the opposite thing to someone else, because this speaking style is so flexible and there is no rigid meaning behind it, it's possible to do that and still be pointing to the same thing 😄This is a good video topic I've not addressed this in a while 🙃
So David did it become apparent that desire and will to accomplish any task are just more concepts and stories and really it’s just life happening on it’s own accord? There may be what we would describe as sensations of desire and will, but that’s just what appears to be happening? All is completely random and really not even happening? I asked it, so I’ll leave it, but as usual, the questions seem to have been answered just by the inquiry.
@@maryrosemitchell9682 Yeah you're right, it's happening on its own, the thoughts just come in to contextualise what is happening from a personal point of view. But the narrative thoughts are also happening on their own, it's the same spontaneous appearance. What makes it look like there is a distinction is a kind of buy-in or felt reality regarding what the thoughts are saying about the way it is.
There's absolutely no real separation to be found in experience, anywhere 😂 but in the beginning with this path there is a kind of separation from the personal thought narratives. Later on that is reconciled and the relative world is re-integrated back into the realisation.
@@difficult_to_describe thanks David!! Yes the buy in which is just habitual mind chatter which arrives like a breeze. Can’t be controlled. But through grace or something inexplicable seems to be noticed “here”