The depreciation and insurance costs far outweigh the tyre issue as far as I can see ? How do you charge overnight if you live in a flat or a terraced house , you cannot leave a cable on the pavement ?
I think the amount of power/torque the electric motors produce should be reduced to the same levels as your average ice cars, This would increase range and reduce tyre wear , But I guess this would make Ev's less desirable.
Yeh fair point, eco mode tends to achieve this thou, but on higher end EVs the eco mode still needs taming back a little. My Renault Zoe is stupidly efficient & I tend to get my foot down on joining motorways etc, simply amazing
EV tyres lasted 6,350 fewer miles. Fleet News the publication covering the thousands of fleet/company cards on the road. EV = 17,985 miles and 551 days Hybrid = 24,641 miles and 585 days Petrol and diesel cars = 24,335 and 670 days An EV will have consumed 2 additional sets of tyres in its life compared to a Petrol/Diesel. Based on the average mileage of a car in the UK before it is scrapped being about 126K Miles
I just don't understand why ev's have to have so much torque this is what destroys tyres the software can be made to match that of a diesel or is this a selling point.
I believe they make specific tyres for EVs in order to get good mileage. However if your to replace with cheap tyres then you'd likely see 10k miles a set. Michelin tyres are about the best and are renowned for their longevity. Also depends on how you drive, if you drive like ya hairs on fire then absolutely youll see much less miles.
Michelin Cross Climates are great tyres. But Im only getting 10k miles on a 2l diesel estate. But I accept it because in the cold and wet they work so well, so I sacrifice range in return for safety on a good positive feel
Rubbish, its NOT just EV's. My 2020 Peuguot 2008 1.2 Puretch Auto only lasted 10,000 miles, and I drive like am Driving Miss Daisy. Its just 3 years old now and only done 15,000 miles. Speed bumps its 10 miles\hour as I had major surgery and it kills me if I drive any quicker over the bumps, accelaration and braking does the same.
Ricco I know this is not about this video but Ive lost your video on the settings of a Ryzen 3600 with a MSI board . You walked us through it and now I cannot find it in your videos. Thanks
The Kona is pretty light for an EV in about 1.6 tonnes, most Teslas are above 2 tonnes, they are the main culprit for those rumors. Also, you can't drive a Kona sporty, because its just an Economy EV. Put 2-3-5 times the power and half a tonne more, and drive it fast through turns and those tyres will shred in 2 months. Same goes for gasoline cars, an BMW X5M weighs 2.3 tonnes and has more than 600hp, it will be the same for it. EVs are just prone to be heavier than the ICE counterpart, but I bet a gasoline/hybrid one, which weighs 300kg less is going to go easier on the tyres than your EV Kona. So to summarize: 1. Weight matters, most EVs are not as light as your Kona 2. Sedan, Coupes and cars which are lower to the ground, and which have higher horsepower number are more prone to be driven faster. Weight + Fast driving = more tyre wear* *it does not matter if it is an EV or not if they make the same power with the same body style and weigh tthe same..
My mate has a model 3 long range dual motor and his rears last about 22,000 miles and the fronts 28,000. He has a heavy right foot, always in a hurry. You mention the Tesla tyre thing is a rumour, but is it a fact?? The model 3 standard range, the car that makes up 50% of the models sales is only 100kg heavier than the Kona and the dual motor only slightly heavier again. My kona is pretty quick and i can easily light up the tyres at 25mph by flooring it without traction control.
@@ricco123tube thats still quite fast, I drive around 35k miles a year... if my tyres can't even get me through one season, that sucks... Currently running TW280, on a RWD car that I hoon around in everywhere... currently at around 50k miles and they still have a bit of life left in the rear... fronts could last 2 more seasons (the data excludes the few months I run winter tyres)
@@deanjohnson7283like I said, he doesn't hang around in his car that does 0-60 in 4.2 secs. Friends on an EV6 group are getting from 22000 to 36000 miles depending on the particular model.
EVs don’t work in the real world and cost a fortune. Unless u only drive round town. Most EV drivers have the money to buy and as such also own a ICE car. EVs are Currently heavily subsidised by the tax payer. Rule is to Never buy new technology. Don’t be a Guinea pig. Wait and see what happens. So far it looks like it’s falling apart as dealerships stock are filling up with unsold EVs. Has anyone seen a EV fire. Thermal runway is scary.
😂Wtf are you on, I'm absolutely loving my EV, do like 20k miles of motorway driving per year for work, changed front Micheline Primacy E4s at 34k miles, the rears still have tonnes of tread left, almost identical story to the chap who made this video. Enjoy getting left behind
Petrol tanks explode way more offen than batteries per 100k vehicles in each & every class, your full of complete rubbish. Also LiFePo4 batteries are almost 3x safer than NMC (which, again are safer than a tank of fuel). LiFePo4 is so safe its almost impossible to encourage thermal runaway, you'd physically have to drive the car into a burning red hot building and chuck timber in there to keep the temperature up for a longer period, even then good luck achieving thermal runaway
@@SustainableGal that guy did a drive from John o groats to lands end. The BBW diesel cos £120 and the EV was £260. The EV took 7 hrs longer with the guy almost crying cos the chargers were full with others waiting.
@@mhoward181 that has nothing to do with EVs themselves, and everything to do with lack of current infrastructure, majority of cars in Norway are electric, they have adequate rapid charging infrastructure & their unit price/kWh averages 33p/kWh Vs the UK average public charger at 89p/kWh. It's not EVs, it's our pathetic country, Europe is making a good effort, we are so far behind, exactly why I'm moving to Norway to enjoy my EV (amongst all the other benefits of not living in the UK)
I agree with you. My BMW i3 weighs about the same as a Corsa ! Sure its claimed that they wear more and mine needed new tyres at 19,000. That could be down to high torque when accelerating. But this is no worse than my Merc driven with a little passion.
Nice vid Ric. We changed the front tyres on Saran's Mazda 3 at about 30,000 but mainly because one of them had a big screw stuck in it 😂 Can't remember how much tread they had left but one thing was that the rubber was cracking so they were probably due for a change anyway. Glad you are enjoying your car 👍
Interesting video for someone like me who has very little knowledge about EV's. My son-in-law drove a Tesla Model 3 and now he drives a Tesla Model Y and he really likes them. I know they're nearer the higher end of the EV spectrum but I don't think he will ever have a combustion engine vehicle again. Good to see you again Ric. Take care my friend.
Good to hear from you. Yes, my friends and I will not go back to ice cars, and when I purchase a new one next year my good woman wants my current car. Take care👍
I love my EV its ecconomical and fast as hell (BMW i3). If there is a downside to my car its a slightly bumpy ride with its harder sport suspension. I can live with this as the benefits outweigh the single negative.
I have a Toyota CH-R Hybrid, it's currently just under 12.000 miles. The front tyres have 4mm left on them. The car weights roughly 2 tonnes. So I suspect EV's are heavy on tyres.
Where this preconception comes from is simple physics. Heavier vehicles cause more particulate matter emissions from both tyres and road surface. It doesn't matter whether it's ICE or EV (it does slightly due to the high torque of the EV but most people don't drive hard on a daily basis). So you can have tyres that have a harder compound which wear slowly but less grip, or a softer compound which has more grip but less wear. However, a vehicle's mass will ALWAYS wear tyres down more and cause more particulate matter from the road surface due to Newtons 3rd law. The tyre carcass can influence this slightly but a lot will be due to suspension geometry too, some car manufacturers adjust the suspension to have more grip but lower tyre life and vice versa. The issue most people get hung up on is that you have to compare apples to apples. Saying I get better tyre life from a Kona eV than a Range Rover is pointless. It needs to be a comparison of the exact same suspension geometry, the same car, the same tyres, driven on the same roads, in the same manner but with different weights. It's the same issue when comparing vehicle fuel economy - there are just too many variables to consider a fair test!
Something else that worries me.....if someone buys a 2 ton ev, gets a caravan or trailer at 1.5ton, they need a c1 licence( hgv) bet they dont have it!!
I used to own a highly tuned* Audi 100, FWD barge; I dont think I ever managed more than 10k on a set of front tyres, no matter the brand; as the torque would rip them to shreds if I wasnt careful with my right foot - and I was barely out of my teens, so you KNOW I wasnt careful with my right foot. * 0-60 3.8 seconds faster than book; and I used to cruise the motorways at 100 mph (pre speed camera days); at an average of 45 mpg. The first couple of weeks of owning my "sedate" KIA Soul EV, I had wheel spin issues, as it takes while to retrain your foot; not helped by the previous owner putting totally the wrong tyres on it. Not had a wheel spin since ditching those tyres, even in the extreme wet - other than 1 VERY steep, crooked camber junction, when everyone has issues - I ripped the handbrake mech out of one car - trying to hold at that junction.
its quite that you have no idea of wait to ratio but lets see what you think when get the bill for your new tyres as when i had my tesla iyou cant put standard tyres on a ev
Also, stiffness of the bushings connecting different components of the system, the flexibility and the mass distribution of brackets and other suspension components are very important factors for the dynamic behaviour of a vehicle.
29k and you need to change factory fit Michelins?!!! Jeez that’s bad!! They’re some of the longest lasting tyres on the market, around 60k life on equivalent petrol / diesel cars however many miles would you get out of a cheap set 🤔 my guess is half that at best.. Looks like the 11k rumours are about right imho!
I'll get 33k from the fronts and hopefully 45k from the rear. I don't hang about, and for a front wheel drive car with 395 Nm of torque I think that's great. I suppose EV haters will just make up numbers to suit their opinions. I have looked through the online tyre database and the users who have reviewed their primacy 4's are not getting anywhere near a regular 60k miles. Prove me wrong. I am willing to change my mind if the data is there.
You have been lucky. Research has shown that on average EV tyres do not do as many miles. It is something that buyers of EVs will need to know prior to purchasing a particular car.
Like he mentioned, it depends if you drive like a maniac, remember the average person drives recklessly, so the average numbers will reflect this, I get my foot down in my EV, and front set of Michelin Primacy E4s are due soon after about 33k miles, the rears are good for another 9 months I reckon, I do loads of mixed driving, lots of acceleration no issue
My old man 74 years old had a kia nero and had to replace tyres at 15k. No hes not the stig and no he doesnt indulge in burn outs so you tell me whats going on.
How can you say that if you only have 1 example. And you have top of the market tyres that are made for EVs. Also to be said, your car is 30k miles and needs to change the tyres when a normal car changes every 50k miles (on avg.) so even you your example it is worst than for a normal car.
I have many examples as i am a member of a few EV groups. The question has been asked many times. Did you not see my rear tyres?? They will do well over 40,000 miles. My front tyres do get a bit of abuse as i do tend to accelerate away from the lights with traction control kicking in. 50k on average. Really???? That's a stretch to try and make your point.
It all depends on how you drive. If your heavy on the excelerator and hard on the brakes and especially braking going round a corner rather than slow down before it and drive round on slight power. The extra weight shouldn't be that much of a problem.
@@ricco123tube hopefully these Shouldn't be an issue with a newish vehicle , Unless it's been abused been driven over pot holes and knocked the geometry out.
Exactly. EV's are so fast and nippy at times they encourage spirited cornering and acceleration at times :-) They are fun to drive. I don't mind an extra few £100 to have this much fun.
I have a 2020 Audi Etron one of the heaver EV's around and I have covered 86K miles so far on 3 sets of tyres (inc originals). I always get 30K miles per set of tyres including my ICE cars prior to getting an EV.
You must drive very carefully to get that.I have worn out front tyres [Michelin]on my wifes mini cooper s in 22K and in 25k on my merc E class 450. [Pirrelli] 4 matic
Tyre wear less to do with weight but more to do with torque, EVs are not up to daily commuting any distance and they not green until you done about 60,000 miles to equal out the carbon footprint and majority of electric that’s used to charge them is from burning fossil fuels
I'm afraid your info is out of date and the figure is 15 to 20k. I'm not sure what you mean by "up to daily commuting". Charging from fossil fuels is also another old argument that is incorrect, especially here in the UK.
@@ricco123tube "Charging from fossil fuels is also another old argument that is incorrect, especially here in the UK." I hope you are not referring to the Power station in Yorkshire that was converted at a cost of millions to run on wood pellets AKA as "Bio-Mass Fuel".... 🤣. Those pellets are shipped from the Gulf of Mexico in diesel powered ships....then transported either by road....more diesel burned or by train: Maybe Electric Trains....Eh?
Think you find my facts are fact, people forget that EVs still use brake pads and brushes in the motors which create a lot of pollution into the atmosphere and their not enough green energy in the grid to charge EVs, in fact if we all put kettle on at same time the grid struggles to cope 5:03
Okay....so I have just asked the kia ev6 owners group about tyre wear and longevity. It seems that on a big and depending on model fast car, they are reporting anything from 20,000 miles on the faster more powerful awd models, to 36,000 miles on the standard rwd model before having to change tyres. This does not include the 585bhp awd model. This is opposite to what the anti EV clan are saying. Experience is obviously far more valid than opinion.
Okay 👍 5 years should do it. Personally, i can't drive more than 250 miles, about 4 hours without a 25 minutes stop for a toilet break and a snack, by which time I'm off again for another 4 hours. I've not had any issues in nearly 3 years and it costs £4.80 to fully charge at home. That's about 300 miles. My next service is booked and it's £56. Brakes are only 10% worn, so should last well over 100,000 miles at the very least. It's not for everyone, but I and my friends are loving it.
How often do you drive 400 miles and then want to be on the way again after 10 minutes? In reality most EV owners plug in overnight and wake up to another 250 miles range every morning.
My Tesla model 3 dual motor weighs 4,065 lbs. My Mercedes C43 weighs 4,084 lbs. Same class same performance. Same weight. I agree that the EV naysayers make blanket statements that are just plain false. The comments of course coming from folks who have never driven much less owned an EV. It's sad that nearly all topics in today's society somehow has to end up withasdive division and extreme views leading to ugly exchanges. I love my EV and it works amazing for ME. if it's not feasible for others,,, that's OK. But no need to slag off a product just because it doesn't fit your requirements. Hence I refrain from taking an indignant stance in favor of EVs and only express how nicely it works for me. No judgement negatively towards those who don't share the same view. But, indeed it's mind boggling the crap put forward denigrating EVs. Bizarre.
@@chrisbarron5861 I get about 32,000 miles on the C43 and they were shot (primarily rear). The Tesla currently has 27,000 and they still look kinda ok but I suspect I might get also near 32,000. My point is they go through tires pretty much equally with weight not being a factor. I run Michelin pilot sport 4 on the C43. The Tesla has Hankook and I'm not sure about the replacement possibility if I stay with what they came with. This is in Thailand where it's hot and with very little traffic enforcement it's common to drive a bit more "spiritedly".
The depreciation and insurance costs far outweigh the tyre issue as far as I can see ? How do you charge overnight if you live in a flat or a terraced house , you cannot leave a cable on the pavement ?
I think the amount of power/torque the electric motors produce should be reduced to the same levels as your average ice cars, This would increase range and reduce tyre wear , But I guess this would make Ev's less desirable.
Yeh fair point, eco mode tends to achieve this thou, but on higher end EVs the eco mode still needs taming back a little. My Renault Zoe is stupidly efficient & I tend to get my foot down on joining motorways etc, simply amazing
EV tyres lasted 6,350 fewer miles.
Fleet News the publication covering the thousands of fleet/company cards on the road.
EV = 17,985 miles and 551 days
Hybrid = 24,641 miles and 585 days
Petrol and diesel cars = 24,335 and 670 days
An EV will have consumed 2 additional sets of tyres in its life compared to a Petrol/Diesel. Based on the average mileage of a car in the UK before it is scrapped being about 126K Miles
Care to share what type of cars are being compared? Without that and other data points, this data is useless.
I just don't understand why ev's have to have so much torque this is what destroys tyres the software can be made to match that of a diesel or is this a selling point.
I believe they make specific tyres for EVs in order to get good mileage. However if your to replace with cheap tyres then you'd likely see 10k miles a set. Michelin tyres are about the best and are renowned for their longevity. Also depends on how you drive, if you drive like ya hairs on fire then absolutely youll see much less miles.
Is this your knowledge through experience or just an opinion?
Michelin Cross Climates are great tyres. But Im only getting 10k miles on a 2l diesel estate.
But I accept it because in the cold and wet they work so well, so I sacrifice range in return for safety on a good positive feel
Rubbish, its NOT just EV's.
My 2020 Peuguot 2008 1.2 Puretch Auto only lasted 10,000 miles, and I drive like am Driving Miss Daisy. Its just 3 years old now and only done 15,000 miles.
Speed bumps its 10 miles\hour as I had major surgery and it kills me if I drive any quicker over the bumps, accelaration and braking does the same.
Ricco I know this is not about this video but Ive lost your video on the settings of a Ryzen 3600 with a MSI board . You walked us through it and now I cannot find it in your videos. Thanks
The Kona is pretty light for an EV in about 1.6 tonnes, most Teslas are above 2 tonnes, they are the main culprit for those rumors. Also, you can't drive a Kona sporty, because its just an Economy EV. Put 2-3-5 times the power and half a tonne more, and drive it fast through turns and those tyres will shred in 2 months. Same goes for gasoline cars, an BMW X5M weighs 2.3 tonnes and has more than 600hp, it will be the same for it. EVs are just prone to be heavier than the ICE counterpart, but I bet a gasoline/hybrid one, which weighs 300kg less is going to go easier on the tyres than your EV Kona. So to summarize:
1. Weight matters, most EVs are not as light as your Kona
2. Sedan, Coupes and cars which are lower to the ground, and which have higher horsepower number are more prone to be driven faster.
Weight + Fast driving = more tyre wear*
*it does not matter if it is an EV or not if they make the same power with the same body style and weigh tthe same..
My mate has a model 3 long range dual motor and his rears last about 22,000 miles and the fronts 28,000. He has a heavy right foot, always in a hurry.
You mention the Tesla tyre thing is a rumour, but is it a fact??
The model 3 standard range, the car that makes up 50% of the models sales is only 100kg heavier than the Kona and the dual motor only slightly heavier again.
My kona is pretty quick and i can easily light up the tyres at 25mph by flooring it without traction control.
@@ricco123tube thats still quite fast, I drive around 35k miles a year... if my tyres can't even get me through one season, that sucks... Currently running TW280, on a RWD car that I hoon around in everywhere... currently at around 50k miles and they still have a bit of life left in the rear... fronts could last 2 more seasons (the data excludes the few months I run winter tyres)
@@deanjohnson7283like I said, he doesn't hang around in his car that does 0-60 in 4.2 secs.
Friends on an EV6 group are getting from 22000 to 36000 miles depending on the particular model.
Power isnt as important as torque
EVs don’t work in the real world and cost a fortune. Unless u only drive round town. Most EV drivers have the money to buy and as such also own a ICE car. EVs are Currently heavily subsidised by the tax payer. Rule is to Never buy new technology. Don’t be a Guinea pig. Wait and see what happens. So far it looks like it’s falling apart as dealerships stock are filling up with unsold EVs. Has anyone seen a EV fire. Thermal runway is scary.
Ok. Enjoy your ice car.
I, in the real world will continue to enjoy all the benefits of EV's.
😂Wtf are you on, I'm absolutely loving my EV, do like 20k miles of motorway driving per year for work, changed front Micheline Primacy E4s at 34k miles, the rears still have tonnes of tread left, almost identical story to the chap who made this video. Enjoy getting left behind
Petrol tanks explode way more offen than batteries per 100k vehicles in each & every class, your full of complete rubbish.
Also LiFePo4 batteries are almost 3x safer than NMC (which, again are safer than a tank of fuel). LiFePo4 is so safe its almost impossible to encourage thermal runaway, you'd physically have to drive the car into a burning red hot building and chuck timber in there to keep the temperature up for a longer period, even then good luck achieving thermal runaway
@@SustainableGal that guy did a drive from John o groats to lands end. The BBW diesel cos £120 and the EV was £260. The EV took 7 hrs longer with the guy almost crying cos the chargers were full with others waiting.
@@mhoward181 that has nothing to do with EVs themselves, and everything to do with lack of current infrastructure, majority of cars in Norway are electric, they have adequate rapid charging infrastructure & their unit price/kWh averages 33p/kWh Vs the UK average public charger at 89p/kWh. It's not EVs, it's our pathetic country, Europe is making a good effort, we are so far behind, exactly why I'm moving to Norway to enjoy my EV (amongst all the other benefits of not living in the UK)
I agree with you. My BMW i3 weighs about the same as a Corsa ! Sure its claimed that they wear more and mine needed new tyres at 19,000. That could be down to high torque when accelerating. But this is no worse than my Merc driven with a little passion.
Nice vid Ric. We changed the front tyres on Saran's Mazda 3 at about 30,000 but mainly because one of them had a big screw stuck in it 😂 Can't remember how much tread they had left but one thing was that the rubber was cracking so they were probably due for a change anyway. Glad you are enjoying your car 👍
Interesting video for someone like me who has very little knowledge about EV's. My son-in-law drove a Tesla Model 3 and now he drives a Tesla Model Y and he really likes them. I know they're nearer the higher end of the EV spectrum but I don't think he will ever have a combustion engine vehicle again. Good to see you again Ric. Take care my friend.
Good to hear from you.
Yes, my friends and I will not go back to ice cars, and when I purchase a new one next year my good woman wants my current car.
Take care👍
I love my EV its ecconomical and fast as hell (BMW i3). If there is a downside to my car its a slightly bumpy ride with its harder sport suspension. I can live with this as the benefits outweigh the single negative.
VW ID 4 owner , 80,000km (50,000miles) on rear tyres before changing.
Front at 2.5mm still , 2021 model, company car.
Biggest issue is the price!
That's amazing 👍👍
If i were a slightly slower driver I could maybe achieve that on the rears.
I have a Toyota CH-R Hybrid, it's currently just under 12.000 miles. The front tyres have 4mm left on them. The car weights roughly 2 tonnes. So I suspect EV's are heavy on tyres.
Suspect and actuality are two different things.
Where this preconception comes from is simple physics. Heavier vehicles cause more particulate matter emissions from both tyres and road surface. It doesn't matter whether it's ICE or EV (it does slightly due to the high torque of the EV but most people don't drive hard on a daily basis). So you can have tyres that have a harder compound which wear slowly but less grip, or a softer compound which has more grip but less wear. However, a vehicle's mass will ALWAYS wear tyres down more and cause more particulate matter from the road surface due to Newtons 3rd law. The tyre carcass can influence this slightly but a lot will be due to suspension geometry too, some car manufacturers adjust the suspension to have more grip but lower tyre life and vice versa. The issue most people get hung up on is that you have to compare apples to apples. Saying I get better tyre life from a Kona eV than a Range Rover is pointless. It needs to be a comparison of the exact same suspension geometry, the same car, the same tyres, driven on the same roads, in the same manner but with different weights. It's the same issue when comparing vehicle fuel economy - there are just too many variables to consider a fair test!
Something else that worries me.....if someone buys a 2 ton ev, gets a caravan or trailer at 1.5ton, they need a c1 licence( hgv) bet they dont have it!!
I used to own a highly tuned* Audi 100, FWD barge; I dont think I ever managed more than 10k on a set of front tyres, no matter the brand; as the torque would rip them to shreds if I wasnt careful with my right foot - and I was barely out of my teens, so you KNOW I wasnt careful with my right foot.
* 0-60 3.8 seconds faster than book; and I used to cruise the motorways at 100 mph (pre speed camera days); at an average of 45 mpg.
The first couple of weeks of owning my "sedate" KIA Soul EV, I had wheel spin issues, as it takes while to retrain your foot; not helped by the previous owner putting totally the wrong tyres on it. Not had a wheel spin since ditching those tyres, even in the extreme wet - other than 1 VERY steep, crooked camber junction, when everyone has issues - I ripped the handbrake mech out of one car - trying to hold at that junction.
its quite that you have no idea of wait to ratio but lets see what you think when get the bill for your new tyres as when i had my tesla iyou cant put standard tyres on a ev
If you could use some punctuation and correct spelling, I might be able to understand your comment.
Tyre wear only exists from...
Weight first then
Torque traction power gripping pulling the car forwards
Also, stiffness of the bushings connecting different components of the system, the flexibility and the mass distribution of brackets and other suspension components are very important factors for the dynamic behaviour of a vehicle.
@@ricco123tube yes but only after the main tyre wear....weight and power.
Basic science 🧐
29k and you need to change factory fit Michelins?!!! Jeez that’s bad!! They’re some of the longest lasting tyres on the market, around 60k life on equivalent petrol / diesel cars however many miles would you get out of a cheap set 🤔 my guess is half that at best.. Looks like the 11k rumours are about right imho!
I'll get 33k from the fronts and hopefully 45k from the rear.
I don't hang about, and for a front wheel drive car with 395 Nm of torque I think that's great.
I suppose EV haters will just make up numbers to suit their opinions. I have looked through the online tyre database and the users who have reviewed their primacy 4's are not getting anywhere near a regular 60k miles.
Prove me wrong. I am willing to change my mind if the data is there.
Its more about how you drive.
But, EV manufacturers love to sell 'instant torque', and the extra weight of an EV conspires to make wear worse.
All true, and the instant torque is addictive.
Tyre wear has many factors and most can be mitigated by sensible driving and correct tyre choice.
You have been lucky. Research has shown that on average EV tyres do not do as many miles. It is something that buyers of EVs will need to know prior to purchasing a particular car.
Like he mentioned, it depends if you drive like a maniac, remember the average person drives recklessly, so the average numbers will reflect this, I get my foot down in my EV, and front set of Michelin Primacy E4s are due soon after about 33k miles, the rears are good for another 9 months I reckon, I do loads of mixed driving, lots of acceleration no issue
Seems like a lot of people are lucky.
I am just coming up to 24,000 miles in my EV on the original tyres. Happy with that.
My old man 74 years old had a kia nero and had to replace tyres at 15k. No hes not the stig and no he doesnt indulge in burn outs so you tell me whats going on.
You tell me. The Niro is the same platform as my Kona, so something fishy is going on here.
EV6 which is a much bigger car is doing up to double that.
How can you say that if you only have 1 example. And you have top of the market tyres that are made for EVs. Also to be said, your car is 30k miles and needs to change the tyres when a normal car changes every 50k miles (on avg.) so even you your example it is worst than for a normal car.
I have many examples as i am a member of a few EV groups. The question has been asked many times.
Did you not see my rear tyres?? They will do well over 40,000 miles. My front tyres do get a bit of abuse as i do tend to accelerate away from the lights with traction control kicking in.
50k on average. Really???? That's a stretch to try and make your point.
Never mind, just think about how your car is appreciating😉
It all depends on how you drive. If your heavy on the excelerator and hard on the brakes and especially braking going round a corner rather than slow down before it and drive round on slight power. The extra weight shouldn't be that much of a problem.
And there are other factors too, like suspension and geometry setup amongst other things
@@ricco123tube hopefully these Shouldn't be an issue with a newish vehicle , Unless it's been abused been driven over pot holes and knocked the geometry out.
Exactly. EV's are so fast and nippy at times they encourage spirited cornering and acceleration at times :-) They are fun to drive. I don't mind an extra few £100 to have this much fun.
I have a 2020 Audi Etron one of the heaver EV's around and I have covered 86K miles so far on 3 sets of tyres (inc originals). I always get 30K miles per set of tyres including my ICE cars prior to getting an EV.
Awesome 👍
You must drive very carefully to get that.I have worn out front tyres [Michelin]on my wifes mini cooper s in 22K and in 25k on my merc E class 450. [Pirrelli] 4 matic
Just changed the Michelins on my eNiro at 36,000Km. They were still legal but winter is coming.
That's not too bad at all.👍
Tyre wear less to do with weight but more to do with torque, EVs are not up to daily commuting any distance and they not green until you done about 60,000 miles to equal out the carbon footprint and majority of electric that’s used to charge them is from burning fossil fuels
I'm afraid your info is out of date and the figure is 15 to 20k.
I'm not sure what you mean by "up to daily commuting".
Charging from fossil fuels is also another old argument that is incorrect, especially here in the UK.
@@ricco123tube
"Charging from fossil fuels is also another old argument that is incorrect, especially here in the UK."
I hope you are not referring to the Power station in Yorkshire that was converted at a cost of millions to run on wood pellets AKA as "Bio-Mass Fuel".... 🤣. Those pellets are shipped from the Gulf of Mexico in diesel powered ships....then transported either by road....more diesel burned or by train: Maybe Electric Trains....Eh?
Think you find my facts are fact, people forget that EVs still use brake pads and brushes in the motors which create a lot of pollution into the atmosphere and their not enough green energy in the grid to charge EVs, in fact if we all put kettle on at same time the grid struggles to cope 5:03
I think you should reference the videos that you cite to allay any doubts.
Okay....so I have just asked the kia ev6 owners group about tyre wear and longevity. It seems that on a big and depending on model fast car, they are reporting anything from 20,000 miles on the faster more powerful awd models, to 36,000 miles on the standard rwd model before having to change tyres.
This does not include the 585bhp awd model.
This is opposite to what the anti EV clan are saying.
Experience is obviously far more valid than opinion.
My leaf 40Kw is on its origins at 31k
EV waste of time until ten min fill up and 400 mile range.
Okay 👍
5 years should do it.
Personally, i can't drive more than 250 miles, about 4 hours without a 25 minutes stop for a toilet break and a snack, by which time I'm off again for another 4 hours.
I've not had any issues in nearly 3 years and it costs £4.80 to fully charge at home. That's about 300 miles.
My next service is booked and it's £56.
Brakes are only 10% worn, so should last well over 100,000 miles at the very least.
It's not for everyone, but I and my friends are loving it.
How often do you drive 400 miles and then want to be on the way again after 10 minutes? In reality most EV owners plug in overnight and wake up to another 250 miles range every morning.
@@HitstirrerIm a mobile service engineer, highest daily work miles 475. Longest stop time 15 minutes
@@chrisbarron5861 Don't tell me your hard luck stories. Just find a more sensible job.
@@Hitstirrer too funny. I like my job
My Tesla model 3 dual motor weighs 4,065 lbs. My Mercedes C43 weighs 4,084 lbs. Same class same performance. Same weight. I agree that the EV naysayers make blanket statements that are just plain false. The comments of course coming from folks who have never driven much less owned an EV. It's sad that nearly all topics in today's society somehow has to end up withasdive division and extreme views leading to ugly exchanges. I love my EV and it works amazing for ME. if it's not feasible for others,,, that's OK. But no need to slag off a product just because it doesn't fit your requirements. Hence I refrain from taking an indignant stance in favor of EVs and only express how nicely it works for me. No judgement negatively towards those who don't share the same view. But, indeed it's mind boggling the crap put forward denigrating EVs. Bizarre.
Thanks for telling us which cars you have, but, you appear to have forgotten to say how many miles on a set of tyres you achieve
@@chrisbarron5861 I get about 32,000 miles on the C43 and they were shot (primarily rear). The Tesla currently has 27,000 and they still look kinda ok but I suspect I might get also near 32,000. My point is they go through tires pretty much equally with weight not being a factor. I run Michelin pilot sport 4 on the C43. The Tesla has Hankook and I'm not sure about the replacement possibility if I stay with what they came with. This is in Thailand where it's hot and with very little traffic enforcement it's common to drive a bit more "spiritedly".
11000 for ev is good
No it's not, because it's not reality.
Drive like a Nun in a front wheel spinning Kona Ev and alls good
I don't hang about.
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