A thing of beauty when world it up right and oil galleys pinned and I would welled up aluminum oil pan so it puts that touch on it. Also what helps stiffen the block especially aluminum valve covers too!
I like that me old man built a v12 Jag with ford pistons made it 5.8 on methonol injection in his boat but this thing sounds better still sounds like a 351
Crankshaft was made with throws every 120 degrees like a six cylinder inline engine. This configuration is very easy to balance and runs very smooth. I'm not familiar with the design characteristics of the flat plane crank but I think they have some vibration issues. I'm sure it would have made a strange sound with that type of crank. It's already strange sounding this way.
@@brente7211 most 12 cylinders are flat plane because they are better balanced & achieve higher rpm . But this is a pushrod motor so rpm isn't probably a goal.
@@hieronymus..bosch8532 the crank was made from a 4140 billet by velasco crankshaft service in californis. It's made the ford 289 specifications but with the 120 degree throws. Velasco had the program already in his machine from making a crank for Jan Bakers ford v12.
Just curious, what arc welding rod did you use ? It appears that you arc welded that block. As a point of reference, there is a welding supply about 2 hrs. west of me in Abilene , Tx. They sell this arc welding rod that requires no preheat whatsoever. It has a very unique composition that allows this to happen. Obviously, you can only run a bead of about 1/2” at a time, then peen the weld with a needle scaler to stress relieve it. I’ve never seen a block girdle like the one you machined for this engine. Btw, excellent build ! It’s too bad the Engine Masters competition didn’t have a class for your engine, that would have been the cat’s meow !
Yes it is arc welded with that same rod that needs to be welded in short sections then peened and not continued till it's cold to the touch. The needler won't provide the peen intensity required. I used a muffler impact gun and a long pointed die to spread the weld as it cooled. It's a long process but so far it's holding up. That girdle and the offset weld in the heads hopefully is providing plenty of support for the block weld.
Most could be accessed form underneath around the cam area. The oils gallery area in the water jacket was done through a small window cut in the side of the cylinder. So far no internal leaking. Keeping my fingers crossed
Lot of trouble to get a Ford v12. Just pick up a 92 or later Jaguar V12 engine. When Ford owned Jag, they improved the v12 engine considerably...and you can still get parts for it!
Geoffrey, I tend to agree with you on this and if all I wanted to do was end up with a V12 for the lowest cost I would go with, and have in the past, a Jag unit. Lots of parts, OEM and aftermarket and from other OEMs, lots of development already done, reasonable torque/hp figures attainable and they come with loads of racing pedigree oil leaks from stock ;-). BUT, that doesn't keep a bloke busy in his mancave doing sh!t that others only talk about. Therefore I tip my hat to 105Ivan for having the idea, the skills and the patience (I know what's needed to weld iron blocks and what you've done here shows you have "the patience of Job") to pull this off. As an aside, I love that oddball firing sound. Unique!
The bottom drive portion is a ford duraspark with a jeep 6 reluctor and home made plate to accomodate two pickups. It is fit up inside a jaguar xj upper section with some home made rotor parts. The jag use a dual ignition rotor so every other post on the cap runs on a separate ignition. So i guess its a frankenstein distributor.
The cast iron was welded cold in short 3/4" welds with high nickel rod. Each weld was peened before it cooled to relieve the stress. Then each weld was continued with another short weld only after the first one cooled enough to touch with you finger. It's a long process.
@@brente7211 Well obviously it held up! I have always been taught that if you weld cast Iron you have to heat treat it. And I guess maybe technically you do, but obviously you proved you can still do it without treating it. I wonder if you had the luxury if it would have been better to heat treat it?
@john rus…. I’m certainly not a Pro Welder but I think all forms of welding are interesting but I’ve never tried it with cast iron. When it comes to the heat treating process I believe it’s typically done after all welding is complete. But as I remember it, to get the best results with cast iron, the pieces being joined must be pre-heated to a high temperature before any welding starts. The welds have a better bond and they look much cleaner too.
Yo homie. It’s been a while since you’ve done this but what was the purpose in welding the two blocks down the middle of cylinders? Was it easier to access the water jacket and such or were there other motives? I figured welding them together between cylinder 3/7 and 4/8 would’ve been easier and possibly less catastrophic later on
Did you pin weld the two sections of the block together? Did you have to temper both sections of the block before the joint process? This has definitely got my attention!
No pins just mandrels down the crank and cam journals. It was stick welded cold with nickel rod in small (very small) welds and peened while cooling. Never let the iron get too hot
Firing order is 1-12-5-8-3-10-6-7-2-11-4-9. It sounds odd because of the 90 degree bank angle of the block and the 120 degree crankshaft. The banks fire 90 and 30 degrees apart.
The 90 degree block was a problem. The right bank fires at 90 degrees of crank rotation then the right fires 30 degrees later making this an odd fire engine. It works with a second pickup in the distributor that is 15 degrees off set and a jeep 6 point reluctor wheel. The jaguar distributor has a rotor that has a pickup on both ends and offset vertically allowing to separate ignitions to run out of one distributor. This was the most challenging part of the build.
What did you use to weld the blocks together and keep everything lined up? Also is there a website or somewhere where i can find a bunch of info on how you did this? Thanks!
There isn't a website for how to do this. It was inspired by Jan Baker's version built several years ago. It's stick welded together with nickel rod and mandrels were made to keep the mains and cam bearings in alignment.
Custom crankshaft made by Velasco crank service. Made from a 4340 billet. Same dimensions as the 289 crank with two more throws added and also changed to 120 degrees from 90 degrees.
one man show on the build??? or did ya send out for balancing & boring as along with other specialty crafts ??? and if you did all of this at home then i believe you are from another World and was left behind for this is not just Human intellect it is on a much higher level...
0:12...awful castings to use in such a project, i would have found better blocks to chop up. Note the core shift and poor cylinder wall thickness, this leads to split bores and catastrophic failure.
A true machinist!😊
A thing of beauty when world it up right and oil galleys pinned and I would welled up aluminum oil pan so it puts that touch on it. Also what helps stiffen the block especially aluminum valve covers too!
WOW!!!!!! I cant believe you made that run. That is some engineering. Well done Congrats!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Awesome build! Initially I was thinking the block is going to be weak but the reinforcement of the bottom end looks stout! Well done!
Well I'm really impressed with that ! Can't believe it runs so smooth too !
I like that me old man built a v12 Jag with ford pistons made it 5.8 on methonol injection in his boat but this thing sounds better still sounds like a 351
That is absolutely awsome ..love to see the engine in the car and driving ..
Super cool great job building that beautiful engine 👍
Floor it, WFO see how it holds up. Awesome build.
Brilliant it looks neat and compact
Amazing, just wonder how the crank was done & why not go flat plane ?
Crankshaft was made with throws every 120 degrees like a six cylinder inline engine. This configuration is very easy to balance and runs very smooth. I'm not familiar with the design characteristics of the flat plane crank but I think they have some vibration issues. I'm sure it would have made a strange sound with that type of crank. It's already strange sounding this way.
@@brente7211 most 12 cylinders are flat plane because they are better balanced & achieve higher rpm . But this is a pushrod motor so rpm isn't probably a goal.
@@brente7211 mostly i was wondering how they made the crank . Did they cast it or source it from an existing motor.
@@hieronymus..bosch8532 the crank was made from a 4140 billet by velasco crankshaft service in californis. It's made the ford 289 specifications but with the 120 degree throws. Velasco had the program already in his machine from making a crank for Jan Bakers ford v12.
@@brente7211 crazy . That would be pricey from billet. But strong 💪
Perfect fit for a 240Z.
Hideous, This is the nastiest engine I ever seen . I’ll take two please 🙏🏽
Just curious, what arc welding rod did you use ? It appears that you arc welded that block. As a point of reference, there is a welding supply about 2 hrs. west of me in Abilene , Tx. They sell this arc welding rod that requires no preheat whatsoever. It has a very unique composition that allows this to happen. Obviously, you can only run a bead of about 1/2” at a time,
then peen the weld with a needle scaler to stress relieve it. I’ve never seen a block girdle like the one you machined for this engine. Btw, excellent build ! It’s too bad the Engine Masters competition didn’t have a class for your engine, that would have been the cat’s meow !
Yes it is arc welded with that same rod that needs to be welded in short sections then peened and not continued till it's cold to the touch. The needler won't provide the peen intensity required. I used a muffler impact gun and a long pointed die to spread the weld as it cooled. It's a long process but so far it's holding up. That girdle and the offset weld in the heads hopefully is providing plenty of support for the block weld.
Well done!
WOW that's a labor of love! Awesome!
¡Es lo más genial que he visto! INCREÍBLE...
ABSOLUTELY FANTASTIC
How did you weld all sides of the internal passages?
Most could be accessed form underneath around the cam area. The oils gallery area in the water jacket was done through a small window cut in the side of the cylinder. So far no internal leaking. Keeping my fingers crossed
This is the coolest shit I’ve ever seen
Really the best part of the whole video was the wooden test stand.
Knock on wood.. its great stuff at times like that.. 😆😆
Lot of trouble to get a Ford v12. Just pick up a 92 or later Jaguar V12 engine. When Ford owned Jag, they improved the v12 engine considerably...and you can still get parts for it!
Geoffrey, I tend to agree with you on this and if all I wanted to do was end up with a V12 for the lowest cost I would go with, and have in the past, a Jag unit. Lots of parts, OEM and aftermarket and from other OEMs, lots of development already done, reasonable torque/hp figures attainable and they come with loads of racing pedigree oil leaks from stock ;-).
BUT, that doesn't keep a bloke busy in his mancave doing sh!t that others only talk about.
Therefore I tip my hat to 105Ivan for having the idea, the skills and the patience (I know what's needed to weld iron blocks and what you've done here shows you have "the patience of Job") to pull this off.
As an aside, I love that oddball firing sound. Unique!
If he wanted to do that, that's what he would have done. It's the process that's the point.
Wow .. how much Hp and torque does it have
How much hp u makin with that v12?
Is it an oddfire v12? Because its 90°
You have skills Obey One
Much respect
The camshaft stayed together!?
What is the displacement?
433 cu in
Crazy...really🤩🤩 nice..congrats...only that mustang need new wheels..perfect!!..
Nice job dude 😁😁🤘🤘
What did you use for a distributor cap/ignition system? Is it from an V12 GMC or…….?
The bottom drive portion is a ford duraspark with a jeep 6 reluctor and home made plate to accomodate two pickups. It is fit up inside a jaguar xj upper section with some home made rotor parts. The jag use a dual ignition rotor so every other post on the cap runs on a separate ignition. So i guess its a frankenstein distributor.
@@brente7211 Very cool, thank you for the info. Beautiful engine
Must be bloody heavy
Interested in turning a Honda K24 I4 into an I6?
What interests me the most is how you did the welding of cast iron? Did you heat treat us afterwards or was it just brazed?
The cast iron was welded cold in short 3/4" welds with high nickel rod. Each weld was peened before it cooled to relieve the stress. Then each weld was continued with another short weld only after the first one cooled enough to touch with you finger. It's a long process.
@@brente7211 Well obviously it held up! I have always been taught that if you weld cast Iron you have to heat treat it. And I guess maybe technically you do, but obviously you proved you can still do it without treating it.
I wonder if you had the luxury if it would have been better to heat treat it?
@@johnrus7661 I'm keeping my fingers crossed that it holds up. So far so good after about 500 miles in the mustang
@john rus…. I’m certainly not a Pro Welder but I think all forms of welding are interesting but I’ve never tried it with cast iron. When it comes to the heat treating process I believe it’s typically done after all welding is complete. But as I remember it, to get the best results with cast iron, the pieces being joined must be pre-heated to a high temperature before any welding starts. The welds have a better bond and they look much cleaner too.
Where did the crank come from?
Crankshaft is a custom from velasco crank service. Same stroke as the 289 but the throws are 120 degrees like a straight six.
@@brente7211 that's amazing
Yo homie. It’s been a while since you’ve done this but what was the purpose in welding the two blocks down the middle of cylinders? Was it easier to access the water jacket and such or were there other motives? I figured welding them together between cylinder 3/7 and 4/8 would’ve been easier and possibly less catastrophic later on
My guess is for the main bearing. Down the cylinder leaves the maine bearings untouched, and the bottom end stronger
Sounds wicked.
That's incredible!
Did you pin weld the two sections of the block together? Did you have to temper both sections of the block before the joint process? This has definitely got my attention!
No pins just mandrels down the crank and cam journals. It was stick welded cold with nickel rod in small (very small) welds and peened while cooling. Never let the iron get too hot
That's a distributor off my car! Xjs v12 marelli
Sounds similar to a y block, what's the firing order ?
Firing order is 1-12-5-8-3-10-6-7-2-11-4-9. It sounds odd because of the 90 degree bank angle of the block and the 120 degree crankshaft. The banks fire 90 and 30 degrees apart.
Beats all I ever saw ,I thought that I bled blue.
More engines please!
Is this a 90 degree or 60 degree engine? Most V12 are 60 degree and V8 90 degree, be curious to know how you got around that issue?
The 90 degree block was a problem. The right bank fires at 90 degrees of crank rotation then the right fires 30 degrees later making this an odd fire engine. It works with a second pickup in the distributor that is 15 degrees off set and a jeep 6 point reluctor wheel. The jaguar distributor has a rotor that has a pickup on both ends and offset vertically allowing to separate ignitions to run out of one distributor. This was the most challenging part of the build.
Im guessing those 2 welded pots were sleeved..
@@105Ivanvery impressive bravo 👏🏽
This motor would be perfect for Lincoln Mark III
It's currently installed in a 1968 mustang. Hope to have it up and running by summer.
That is awesome 👏👍🏻
What did you use to weld the blocks together and keep everything lined up? Also is there a website or somewhere where i can find a bunch of info on how you did this? Thanks!
There isn't a website for how to do this. It was inspired by Jan Baker's version built several years ago. It's stick welded together with nickel rod and mandrels were made to keep the mains and cam bearings in alignment.
Brent E thanks! Just curious how it was welded together, i saw the hp monster video of the other ford and i somehow stumbled here
How's that thing running now?
Still going strong. Finally getting some car events going this year.
how do i get one wow.
how did he make the crank?
Custom crankshaft made by Velasco crank service. Made from a 4340 billet. Same dimensions as the 289 crank with two more throws added and also changed to 120 degrees from 90 degrees.
All that beautiful machine work all so it could be started on a wood run stand😂
one man show on the build??? or did ya send out for balancing & boring as along with other specialty crafts ??? and if you did all of this at home then i believe you are from another World and was left behind for this is not just Human intellect it is on a much higher level...
Amazing!!
Bravo!
👏👏👏
No sound for me? Been watching videos, my volume is up, I hear nothing.
Very cool, was it ever put in a car, and how did it perform?
Here it is. ua-cam.com/video/KY54wbxhUKk/v-deo.html
damn it such a cool engine too bad i couldn't admire it more because of potato quality cam :(
Maestro!
ICONIC ! ! !
One big chunk of windsor.. pitty ford didnt build one that way 2 ohc aussie 6 together would make interesting power..
Fucking Genius..
0:12...awful castings to use in such a project, i would have found better blocks to chop up. Note the core shift and poor cylinder wall thickness, this leads to split bores and catastrophic failure.
Go build your own then.. a genius will use what he has at hand..
I bet you are fun at parties...
Goals , time and fat wallet