It’s worth mentioning. That counterbalance rappels/ simul rappels don’t save that much time. The enormocast did a great break down years ago. When you pre rig both rappels the only difference in timing is actually doing the rappels which is maybe 2 minutes. Subtract the fact that rappelling one at a time you can go faster and that the first person can start setting up the next rappel your maybe gaining 1 minute per rappel but adding significant risk.
@@brettbroderick7540 Very good point, and I tend to agree. I'm going to do a video next spring about alternatives, including tandem. To your point, it might only save time on the last rappel, and there are alternatives to even that. Thanks for chiming in! 🧠💪🙏
I was on the mountain yesterday, wishing I had watched this video before I went out 😅. My friend was visiting town with nothing but her climbing shoes, which meant that we were climbing entirely off my rack. I ended up rapelling down first using a double munter and she followed with my ATC. If we had used a simul rappel, I could have used my Grigri while she used my ATC, each on a single strand. The group next to us did a simul rappel, and they each use their own Grigri. Summary: another benefit of simul rappels is that both parties do not need a double basket repelling device, and can each use their normal belay device Edit: spelling
@@tysondunn5183 I prefer tandem rappels if the climber's can keep off each other's feet (both climbers tied into the same device), as it is generally safer, but there is some trickery involved in doing that well, too. Appreciate you sharing your story! Glad it all worked out 💪
In your case, wouldn’t it have been easiest to block the rappel(with the pre-rigged atc, like shown at the end of the video), have the first climber rap on the grigri, then second climber comes right after?
@@tjb8841There is more and more mounting evidence that a counter balanced rappel only saves time on the last rappel. Having one go down and set up the next rappel while the second is following after, as per normal, is usually quicker.
It’s worth mentioning. That counterbalance rappels/ simul rappels don’t save that much time. The enormocast did a great break down years ago. When you pre rig both rappels the only difference in timing is actually doing the rappels which is maybe 2 minutes. Subtract the fact that rappelling one at a time you can go faster and that the first person can start setting up the next rappel your maybe gaining 1 minute per rappel but adding significant risk.
@@brettbroderick7540 Very good point, and I tend to agree. I'm going to do a video next spring about alternatives, including tandem. To your point, it might only save time on the last rappel, and there are alternatives to even that. Thanks for chiming in! 🧠💪🙏
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@@dannymcgrath8197 appreciate that! 🙏
I was on the mountain yesterday, wishing I had watched this video before I went out 😅. My friend was visiting town with nothing but her climbing shoes, which meant that we were climbing entirely off my rack. I ended up rapelling down first using a double munter and she followed with my ATC. If we had used a simul rappel, I could have used my Grigri while she used my ATC, each on a single strand. The group next to us did a simul rappel, and they each use their own Grigri.
Summary: another benefit of simul rappels is that both parties do not need a double basket repelling device, and can each use their normal belay device
Edit: spelling
@@tysondunn5183 I prefer tandem rappels if the climber's can keep off each other's feet (both climbers tied into the same device), as it is generally safer, but there is some trickery involved in doing that well, too. Appreciate you sharing your story! Glad it all worked out 💪
In your case, wouldn’t it have been easiest to block the rappel(with the pre-rigged atc, like shown at the end of the video), have the first climber rap on the grigri, then second climber comes right after?
@@tjb8841There is more and more mounting evidence that a counter balanced rappel only saves time on the last rappel. Having one go down and set up the next rappel while the second is following after, as per normal, is usually quicker.