Saab Convertible Top and Alarm Hacks: '99 Saab 9-3
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- Опубліковано 14 чер 2017
- We take a little break from the Rogue CVT project to work on my friend's 1999 Saab 9-3 Convertible, which has a few annoying age-related problems. The Saab is SO EURO and fancy! That means doing research and playing with the scanner :)
First problem is random Theft Alarm triggering when the car is parked.
Second problem is that it's summer time and the convertible top hydraulic system has crapped out.
We "fix" both problems with no parts required...the Russian way ;)
Also, make sure to check out my friend Pat's website!
www.offthemaps.net/
Enjoy!
Ivan
UPDATE: Check out this great video by Trionic Seven on how to rebuild the early Saab alarm units:
• Saab Alarm Siren Rebui... - Авто та транспорт
If you put the top down and stick your arm over the door an alarm goes off, there's a proximity sensor down by the key in the middle console between the seats that uses some kind of ultrasonic device (basically its one of those "backup sensors" that beeps when it detects something close using sonar), so even if the car is locked and the top is down anyone messing with your car will set off the alarm.
I'm anxiously waiting part 4 of the Rouge trans swap. Beer is getting flat, popcorn growing stale. 🙄
Edit... Got fresh beer and now snacking on cup noodles, while binge watching PHD and SMA. Life is good! 🇺🇸😁
Yes Ivan lets get on with it your wife needs her car!
Garrett Martin
Garrett Martin any day you get an sma and phad video in the same day is a good day.
As an old wise man always said. If you have a saab at home he will stay there until he is gone.
SAAB forever.
I had a 9-5 wagon. Very nice car and totally reliable. Had that cool feature to black out the instrument panel at night! Thanks Ivan!
"NIGHT PANEL" :)
What a surprise to see a Saab here, I also have the same year 9-3, just a coupe.
Just wanted to say a huge thanks to you guys, all the way from Australia, for a great instructional video on this topic! It helped me so much. Keep it up 🙏🙌
No problem! Keep the old Saabs running!
Way too late I know but Saab's were my thang for a long time. TWICE = Theft Warning Integrated Central Electronics. If the alarm is randomly going off its the back-up batteries on the alarm module. The rechargeable batteries for the siren loose capacity over the years hence the "service theft alarm" message on the dash. You need to remove the theft alarm unit from underneath the seat and unsolder the old batteries and replace with new batteries of the same or higher capacity.
E Euro parts sells the lithium batteries for the alarm box. It is on the drivers side fender well. The box has to be cut open with a Dremel. The batteries are soldered in the box. I did this repair on my 02 Saab 9-3 conv.
love the vids Ivan, keep up the great work.
Had to watch this twice. First time was spent gazing at the Pennsylvania scenery.
Yep nice there like upstate New York.
David Kupferman
That green is beautiful... Problem is the bugs who like to bite us, also love the green too. I have to drive 9 hours south to Houston, in order to see a mosquito. I live near Amarillo Tx. Everything is brown and dusty, but only time we see flies and bugs, are near dairy farms and crop fields.
Also PA has real winters. Us folks think 1" of snow on the ground is a SHTF apocalypse event. Last winter we got a storm warning. 3 inches of smow in 7 hours. All the store shelve were empty. Wal-Mart also sold out of ammo. We love our ammo and beef.😂
funny i watch tour de france just for the scenery not the race at all
Tour de France does have amazing scenery from the helicopter shots, and some sweet bike racing as well!
Man o man, I got a 2003 Saab 9-3 and my son lost the only key. A few places can reprogram new keys but it's crazy expensive because the CIM module has to be shipped to them. I decided to buy a Tech2 and some other programs to do it myself. It arrived yesterday. Wish me luck!
Good luck Rodrigo, let us know how it goes!
Thanks, I actually got another CIM module from the wrecking yard along with the key that was mated to it. I believe I just have to sync the CIM/key pair from the salvaged car with my ECM. I got the Tech2 with the Saab pack along with the other components and a laptop (running XP and that has a serial port, haha) to run TIS2000. Hopefully it'll go relatively smoothly. I just don't know what to do with the hardware after I'm done.
Or you could use a flat head screwdriver to jam in the ignition hole, bang it real hard (with a rubber mallet, of course) and then turn it counterclockwise 3 times until you hear a "click" and VOILA.... there you go. easy breezy.
Crazy the steps involved, very funny.
Good stuff Ivan, thanks
given the age of the vehicle and location of the module I would want to see if it's gotten dirty or wet I strongly suspect a connection issue great video
Oh, also... I actually bought a knockoff Tech II (a GM scan tool), you have to sync the Tech II WITH the appropriate Saab software downloaded onto the 32mb chip that gets inserted into the tech 2, then load software you need to pay membership from GM for on a computer that HAS to have a 32bit operating system, basically an ancient windows XP machine WITH an old serial port (forgot the exact type), I happened to run a virtual windows xp machine and get a usb to serial connector that simulates the proper serial port... then the software talks to the tech 2 and okays that particular Saab to be reprogrammed. I want to say things like ABS modifications, adding and removing keys, the theft alarm, on 2001 and up Saabs mess with the onstar options (which can be problematic in the convertibles, water seeps down the onstar antenna into the module and sets the alarm off just like the anti theft device did on this one). There's a TON of things you can read with the tech 2 however, every sensor, actuating pretty much all solenoids for testing, a few self tests as well. Basically in a world where Saab is dead it was necessary for the longevity of my Saabs for me to own a Tech 2, but it's a very convoluted system. It is NOT friendly for novices at all, it requires a lot of computer skill as well as mechanical knowledge of the cars... for me it's worth it though, I'm quite fond of the Saabs and this is the kind of stuff I do for fun anyways.
good job keep up the good work bro
Love the 93, real shame Saab have gone :( Want a 93 Viggen, but the prices are going up, thought that once they had gone the prices would have dropped through the floor.
I was driving a messed up Saab once and the message kept saying "bring vehicle to Dealership" I was all "All the dealerships closed!!!" :D What does one do then?
Oh boy the trolls are out tonight. Great job as always Ivan.
classic when i saw your bike rack , i have same car and rack on back ,but for some reason most sold in Australia had tow balls,as we use trailers a lot to take rubbish to the tip i guess? funny.the 900 97 has t5 electronics and electric motors and sensors for the roof which also stuff up and same story costs more in labour than parts to solve the issue, so i manually do my roof as well.the engines and build quality are really good or id get rid of this car great reliable transport that handles well too
My 1977 Volvo 245 had driver and passenger seat sensors which made the seat belt warning flash annoyingly if you didn't put them on. Of course, the passenger sensor didn't work so you had to have the belt plugged in even if nobody was sitting there or you're driving along with it flashing and ticking/beeping at you continuously. It was fuel injected and had some kind of ECU but who knows what was used to interface with that, lol.
About 20 years ago I owned a 89 900 and at the same time had a front wheel drive 1990 Subaru Legacy and a Volvo 240; Decided to keep the Volvo and the Subaru and sold the Saab. Should have sold the Volvo and kept the 900; The ride was so good in it. Almost as good as the Subaru.
damn, he guessed the solder joint in the module off the top of his head? He’s good.
When you take the key out press the night panel until the sid display says " door alarm only" this will fix the issue only thing is you have to do it every time you take the key out
Yeah dude it's the alarm siren in the inner fender well, you can disassemble it yourself and replace the 2 lithium batteries inside (much cheaper than buying anew one), or buy the new one which is just a refurbished unit for something like $380 now. The batteries are about $20 but require a little bit of soldering skill and to hack apart your old one, you have to make sure you seal it up nicely again since it's an air tight unit, without some form a gasket on it it'll corrode the inside of your unit and you'll need to spend the $380 for a new one anyways. OR you could just unplug it and not have an alarm that works too... the alarm is useless tbh, these cars are so ridiculous, no one is going to hotwire this thing (the key has an immobilizer chip inside, it's pretty impossible to bypass unless you know EXACTLY what you're doing, and who's stealing a car worth 1 grand?).
Two guys working on a car and a guy turns it into a bad thing. HMM. What's on his mind. LOL 😂
So if the siren wires, siren or connections at the siren or module are bad (similar to someone cutting the wires to the siren) the siren will go off powered by it's own battery. Wonder what the module & connection looks like under the seat especially being a convertible and letting moisture in occasionally?
What scanner is that?
Also, I "fixed" my alarm issue by removing the alarm module. I would like to get that programmer and disable the "service theft alarm" message. My doors still lock and unlock electronically ( I do not have a remote, but if I put my key in and turn it left twice, it will unlock both doors, and if i turn it right once, it locks both doors).
Caught it in time. First one. Go Evan.
*Ivan :)
Sorry. And you do pay attention
Saab vid ❤️
If the convertible top hydraulic leak is a cylinder..I wonder if you could add that seal leak stuff.. I remember the first time I got in a Saab was like 18 yrs ago..took a few minutes to find where the key goes :-) lol
You can still find the for saab new.
Lucas hydraulic booster stop leak will help as long as the leak isn't really bad where it's gushing fluid.
I use this car. And my convertible top gets stock while I'm trying to open it. Is there a way to maintain it and make it easy to come off and come back on?
The most probable cause for the alarm behavior are the drained batteries in the siren unit. It will cause the alarm to go off during to night or randomly. Here's a swede, mr Trionic Seven, who in part 1 tell about the symptoms and workaround and in part 2 refurbishes the siren module with a set of new lithium batteries, capacitors and solder joints.
The module under the seat might be faulty too, but empty lithium batteries in the siren module will also cause random alarm and the service the alarm message at the info screen.
Just in case your friend want to use less than $50 and has basic soldering skills, this could be an low cost fix for this issue.
Part 1
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Part 2
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That is a very helpful suggestion, thank you! I will let my friend know about this, if he wants to repair it then we will make another video...maybe with shirts on haha
Ivan screw the haters. Hell dude you're Russian. If Putin can do it so can you.
hahaha Putin does set quite the precedent! Next video I'll try swimming with dolphins or wrestle a polar bear xD
The AC Relay Fuse in the engine bay is also directly linked to the siren. If it is just annoying and you can do without AC... Pull the relay
@Pine Hollow Auto Diagnostics ice means in car entertainment as in the video you wasnt sure what it meant
so my back window seems stuck down and wont budge at all and no noise from my pump when i hold the switch down for the soft top. i get error message soft top failure but even then ive checked all the relays and everything seems solid. is there a way to manually release the back window from begin stuck?
Ivan. where are you from? what did call bwd parts in the video you did with Eric o. ?
Same as Mercedes siren backup batteries go bad you have to crack them open, may have to repair circuit board if batteries have leaked.
Ladies and Gentlemen of the class of '99, WEAR SUNSCREEN!
At 9:26 Outdoor Temperature, Filtered 146.30F - TWICE live data. I Bet it was not that hot evening? Was it more common to have the alarm go off in hot weather?
jannepo the offset is likely in centigrade.
how do you get the 5th bow to unlock mine wont unlock to put the top down please help!!!!!
I have a ‘96 with the top stuck down. The motor is broken. Will this process still work???
Ivan, I love seeing a Saab video! What scan tool are you using?
Launch X431. Very capable scanner on Euros!
which OBD tool are you using?
ICE in car entertainment!!!
I suppose it's really entertaining when a malfunctioning module locks you out of your car and immobilizes it. :(
I'm glad you like European cars Ivan lol Fred uk.
I knew it had to be Pennsylvania! What a beautiful property! I fucking miss that place! My 9-3 alarm will not set (completely randomly) I think it has to do with a low battery condition
HI Ivan this was a great clip on your friends Saab and many possibilities that can go wrong if one is not sure what there doing ,so a least the car didn't end up dead in the water , I love he scenery beautiful place , one comment I like to make for those who said a joke regarding skin maybe they are under age and yes they should turn it off and stick to there virtual reality , what I heard you say Ivan,,,,,,,,, this is a great friend of mine ,,,,,,, ( not my great lover friend) anyhow I'm sure they were joking anyhow keep them coming Ivan hmmmmm transmission? yes on to the next show
Sal
E-bay for about 150 bucks you can have a full power top just get a used pump and rams make sure they do not leak. and the twice system go's bad a lot on the 9-3 another e-bay part and all systems should be back up and running.
Every time I work on my Saab it's refer to the WIS stuff or it needs a Tech 2 tool. It sucks! Also, that was a big ass moth!
Why I don't like cars with bells ans whistles on them - because that stuff breaks and then the car becomes a glob of bailing wire and chewing gum.
welcome to any car in the last 20 years
1:04 If car alarm horn has its own batterys then takeing car battery cable off the car shouldnt stop the warning horn. I mean thats why there is extra batterys in firsth place.
So i think the Batterys in the alarm horn(not on car normal horn) are just old and cant keep charge anymore.
And thats why there are (ones in blue moon) "service theft alarm" message so you would change the battery.
they are known for batteries to go dead, capacitors also and you get random issues :)
left front fender well, unplug and move on :)) forgot to say disable "service theft alarm message"
Actually the horns keep working for a few minutes and then die out after main batt is disconnected. So yes, those backup units could indeed be getting weak!
I am surprised you didn't just unplug the alarm module and then replug it and/or try using contact cleaner on the various connectors . Older cars often suffer from oxidized connections that can be solved with these techniques. Electrical issues are most likely due to bad or intermittent connections or wire that's gone bad. Cars are way too complicated now. It's time to make thing simpler! My 2 cents.
What happened with Nissan Rogue Transmission?
We'll get back to that shortly...
Looks like he put it off a day for the bike race and his friends car. may get to see the job done by Friday?
What OBD tool did you use?
Yes, what is this?
more videos more videos :D Thumbs up
My electrical part on my saab isn't releasing the back of the convertible... What do I do?
Release it manually? Check your owner's manual!
Transport Mode? Should disable alarm system?
Car is jostling and moving around a lot while being moved on a truck or ship. You certainly don't want alarms going off
may be the on board battery is going bad?
a common BMW problem on cars of the same era.
How did the mountain bike race go ?
Very well! No mechanical issues, no crashes, almost no cramps, and an intense sprint finish :) Results: georesults.racemine.com/Mid-Atlantic-Timing/events/2017/rothrock-trailmix/results
It (the bike) had an electornc control module that only lasts 002.00 years until problems start to happen.
Pine Hollow Auto Diagnostics You almost got on the podium.
so close...maybe next year :)
Oh yeah , saabs were noted for having the ignition in the middle of the console
And you need to leave it in Reverse to take the key out!
The newer Saabs Were actually pretty good Cars,Too Bad They Stopped Making Them,Ive worked on many of them,The older ones leaked Oil Like crazy.But I Like The Saab Styling.
Or mabey they just dont sell them in the USA anymore,Dont Remember.
PS Ivan Put a Rack In Your Garage,If You Can,LOL
why not just silence the siren? he has had no running issues
Just curious Ivan. Do any of your friends have cars with less than 100,000 miles on them?
Actually yes, the guy who gave me his Saturn bought a brand new Ford Focus ST. Turbo and direct injection...what could possibly go wrong?
i got a saab 9 3 everything is working but the car wont run i got spark i got fuel pressure fuel pump is ok i got fuel injector pulse electricity ok spark is good crank is ok but the car wont run any suggestion this one is tuff
is a 2000 saab 9 3
Timing?
thanks im glad the you reply i love your auto skills but i fix the problem im learning from you n u can learn from me the problem was the the fuel pump sitting mark with the gas tank mark i put the mark correct the first time but the car wnt run but the next day i knowdest that the fuel gauge was not working after i put 3 gallons of gas so i said to my self this is crazy i put every thing right but is not working so i went back n said to my self i got to fix the gas gauge so i moved the fuel pump back n fort into the fuel pump gauge started working it was off from the mark half of a inch 1/2 clock wise and i turn on the key n the car run every thing is fine now is weird i guess cause the fuel pump hang by 2 long metal shim with the mark n the bottom of the fuel pump some thing was off by factory or went i place it some thing got stuck im the bottom of the fuel pump but i kown i put the right mark of the fuel pump n the mark of the gas tank but thanks 4 ur reply u the best thanks
Ya Svedish GM!
tecnaman Swedish daewoo? 😄
Matt that is uncalled for.Daewoo come on!
How to hot wire my Compressor button so my compressor comes on.
why not disconnect the alarm siren which under the driver front wing
You can, but it will still flash the lights and drain the battery if the alarm goes off...
And the car won't start. Still would've loved seeing you repairing that module though
I thought about looking at the module, but my friend had to drive it 3 hours back home so didn't want to risk making the problem worse and disabling the car completely ha
Pull your rear tail light bulbs from the sockets, the car won't start. I found that the hard way.
Seriously? How do you explain that??
Maybe just needs a new alarm battery
you folded top down wrong, back window down first..then fold down.
European and fancy? Must be pre-GM takeover.
A wonderful video showing why you should never buy a SAAB.... :)
SAAB means "Shit always always breaking"
You mean Something Almost Always Broken
Amesie's Corner could help u out
OKAY..............LET'S SKIP ALL AND JUST DISARM THE BUGGER!
goodbye pine hollow auto diagnostics..........................................
over engineered electronic added modules only last 002.000 years and create nothing but nuistance problems for the car owner.
computel is the lasted and greatest for 00.2.00years, guaranteed junque!
Harry Haefner why all the extra zeros and decimel points to write two years???
we all must conform to the computerized world with data displayed in the proper field length, a two is a 010 since there is no two in the digital world, only 1 or 0. I am replying to a computer world (made in Twing Twang).
Not worth
Hey Ivan your last video of the Nissan is now a paid video of you went to a paid Channel is that the direction you were going now. Have been a subscriber for a long time but if you're going to be under a pay channel I will have to not be able to watch you any longer that would be very disappointing.
whose made the saap shit its very shity car just burned it
Hey! I'll take an older Saab over a BMW any day of the week!!
Pine Hollow Auto Diagnostics you kid me right
Russian convertible
No such thing?
Saw the roof off a lada. In soviet Russia the car takes the top off you.
Eddie Martinez yeah, its called a snow ski
Turned the video off when you popped up with no shirt on. I am here for car repairs not a skin show.
Finally someone with a good head over the shoulders.!
Then you totally missed the fun part!!
Pine Hollow Auto Diagnostics Put clothes on so that doesnt happen in the future
Now would you change your mind if I asked my wife to help with the "convertible top"? xD
Nope.
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