Protein is Not Protein? What I've Learned Debunked
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- Опубліковано 15 чер 2024
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0:00 Intro
1:12 Misquoted US Protein Figure
3:57 Protein Quality and Scoring
8:59 Misapplying DIAAS
12:48 Muscle, Leucine, & Cancer
16:20 Raise Protein Needs?!
17:39 Height
20:23 Mortality, Autoimmunity, & Kidneys
23:00 Wrapping Up and TRAVEL
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I had to reupload this video since it had an export glitch and when I pasted the description it messed the travel survey link up! BUT HERE IT IS!: my.trovatrip.com/public/l/poll/micthevegan
What about anti-nutrient in legumes? Im not against vegans but I'm confused about it. Im vegetarian by the way.
The sources link got messed up in the description too
@@mitchelfranco5858 Check that out by NutritionFactsOrg 👍 Phytates have e.g. anti-cancerous abilities.
@@mitchelfranco5858 You just cook them. Or you can eat canned beans which have been pre-cooked.
See you at the campout bro!
Hey Mic, when you said 'excess protein being peed out' at the 3:36 mark, you can't pee out protein unless you have kidney damage/failure as protein in urine is a very bad sign that the kidneys aren't doing their best. That's just a little bit I caught though!
So, the peed out which causes the color to the toilet is a sign of kidney problem so will lead to kidney stone and kidney disease? So, ya are saying it does not pee out since protein is still inside but the process of kidney cause repel of water which causes color comes out as lower water so there is a block of water within as need higher absorb of water to decrease the color of pee, so still, a problem since you are drinking more to counterbalance the color which a marker of a problem with kidney so a block in the kidney?
He says it’s an uric coating on the urinals, so I suppose he’s just shortening his comment and he knows proteinuria is the bad way for the body to eliminate proteins, otherwise such protein excess will always become urea, right? Uric compounds
of course, the entire video is a lie.
@@shakaama What I've Learned's video is, yep.
@@absolutezeromusicofficial no, this vegan one is all lies. All you vegans will be changing your tune one day when you reach your health crisis. it’s just weird to see how stubborn you are now, not listening to anyone. Will you remember the voices of reason sounding now when you’re forced to change your ways in the future? Nope, because if you aren’t listening now, how can you be forming a memory of if for later. Your ego is too strong to allow the rest of your brain to listen to reason. That or you’re so mad at how humans treat animals you’d rather slowly off yourselves nutritionally. I don’t even know why we try to tell you. There’s too many humans on the planet anyways, veganism drastically shortening lifespans is a good thing. I suppose it’s just out of avoiding future guilt that we warn you now. Good luck vegans 👍
Can you please provide details of who funds the studies you source just like you do for the studies you critique? Thanks!
You can do that, boy. If you want to be that legit - go check it out for your own.
He often cites conflicts of interest
as all vegans he use "trust me bro" source about all topics in his life
Check out dr ecclestyn if you really want to know as he uses studies that he refers too also plantchompers is excellent at showing studies.
@@gustach6167 all vegans? have you checked all of them?
diet is so personalized though. carbs made me diabetic and meat got me off medication. if I went vegan I'd be back on my medication in a week or less
"vegan" is so broad. you could be eating vegan and your diet is trash.
😱😱😱😱😱😱😱😱 how dare you. VeGaNiSm iS gReAt fOr ThE eNvIrOnMeNt.
No you wouldn't. It's your excuse to maintain your bad habits. The right plant based diet will benefit anyone. You were eating the wrong carbs simple as that. BEANS and LEGUMES make nobody diabetic.
I'm note sure about that though. I believe it is even recommended by doctors to avoid some legumes if you're diabetic.
@@stevenpham6734
Absolutely no. BEANS and legumes will reverse type 2 diabetes. Alot of these doctors are clueless.
Uric scale is not excess protein being "peed out", if you have protein in your urine, you have kidney damage.
So why are stadium urinals caked in uric scale? Uric acid is made when the body breaks down purines. Beer contains very high levels of Purine. When you drink alcohol and no water you become dehydrated. The concentration of Purines is higher in urine when people become dehydrated. That is why.
Thanks. Mic tends to be "not correct" from time to time :)
Protein: a topic that is seemingly most relevant to any discussion on veganism.
I just would like to add something:
For a lot of these studies about red meat and chronic diseases we have to put in perspective that some of them aren't just because of meat, but because of the hormones and heavy process used in the process. I'm not a nutritionist, but my family is almost 100% farmers, and we had a lot of talks showing how bad those things are for human health. And this includes non-organic plants too. You get a lot of heavy metals just by eating some fruit that was grown using agrochemicals. There's a hight correlation of mass usage of those chemicals and multiple disease like cancer. The early development of woman teenages you cited, a considerable amount of this is to blame artificial hormones.
About renal disease, sugar is also water soluble, and cause renal problem. I'm not American, but I hear that they have a high carb diet and a sedentary lifestyle, if you don't burn this, some will go out in your urine.
At the end of the day, nutrition is a complex thing, and no bold statements can be made. In multiple cultures, people have been eating meat and plants forever and they are doing just fine (me included). The best diet is the one that makes you feel better. I think the only thing we can say for sure is: organic food should be preferred
Wow. I love this! I wish more people got to see your comment. I found his video a little unprofessional in his assertions because the other video makes it clear that plant protein are a suitable option, you just have to eat more of it. its all about the individuals golas and what makes you feel best and this me vs them approach is very irritating. Nutrition is SO complex, and there cannot be one answer as humans are a diverse group of people. thanks for your opinion, a lot of people dont actually have exposure to people who are in food production.
I am a pharmacist and a biotechnologist and not an expert in diet ! But you have to understand proteins are made of 20 amino acid out of these some are essential amino acids as we don’t produce them ourselves and some are more needed than others . Unfortunately to popular belief not all you eat is absorbed and as you might know plants amino acids absorb less as some are entrapped in fibers or they are glucoronized in away that utilizing them are not possible for humans . This is a different story for meat! Thats why you see animals eating plant have to eat multiple times more than a carnivore animal to get the nutrition they need . This applies to minerals as well . You can look up Iron absorption rate as an example .
I am not saying being vegan is bad , i am just saying the fact that you are vegan doesn’t change the reality of science .
Lol.. u see nobody is responding to you? Cuz it’s always feelings over facts. Good job pointing it out.
One small ship of sanity in an ocean of ignorance.
It is true not all you eat is absorbed. Its why the content of consumption is often reflected in stool samples and not uniformly standard.
However, from what I'm aware of, the concepts behind fiber's function in the digestive tract is that it actually serves both to increase time spent in the intestines (by slowing traversal) as well as decreasing absorption speed. It is not actually as 'entrapped' as you suggest, as during processing it is chewed. A more accurate depiction is that fiber proportionally reduces absorption, not necessarily reducing absorbtion heavily in specific amino acids which is likely how people are interpreting your statement. An argument can be made about how proteins can bind, and as you mention proteins being glucoronized (a relationship I am unfortunately not familiar with, so I will not contest), but this is not reflected by outcome data to effectively negate said dietary pattern.
Furthermore, it is a very well known phenomenon within the vegan community in regards to bio-availibility and food pairings, such as in regards to iron, (pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/20226993/) where for in vivo studies with rats, " The presence of both garlic and iron led to a 2-fold increase in plasma iron and a 50% increase in liver iron as compared with iron alone". There is also the theory of pepper increasing overall absorption by agitating the intestinal wall, allowing easier passage through the intestinal barrier. Furthermore, the dietary pattern again does not reflect broad trends in literature reviews (www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8003004/)--"In conclusion, although the participants were eating a plant-based diet, the majority had sufficient iron status. Female vegans and vegetarians of reproductive age are at risk of low iron status and should have their iron status monitored".
I should mention however, that I have seen studies that do show an elevated risk among plant-based dieters. The common trend however is that they are fruitarians or raw food dieters.
Secondly, yes carnivores often do not need to put in the work of metabolizing plants, and often in pure volume require higher levels of consumption. However, this is because they process plants, and must break down cell walls through manual grinding in addition to lengthy gastro-intestinal processing. Being facetious here, humans cook food.
I only stumbled across this video from UA-cam recommendations, and am surprised people are still disagreeing years later.
@@maverick5989 unfortunately dear maverick, nobody responds because this is an old video that covers a topic that vegans have had to rebuke time and time again. Again, I urge you to review the literature on this issue and understand the hierarchy of scientific evidence, which lists mechanism below epidemiological data in regards to outcomes. That is to say, understanding a small mechanism within the biochemical process does not in fact predict its final result.
@@maverick5989t. “ ha ha I’m totally not doing the same thing.”
he didnt say the vegan diet was bad, he just said, its much harder and is not very effective at hitting the amino acids required to break down the protein properly since plants lack a lot of the amino acids required, so it requires a lot of mixing around of other different proteins to hit those metrics, which for the average person, they arent doing that
He's said it's bad on many of his other videos
@@Quincycle why does that matter? He's discussing this video, not the other ones
Plants dont lack of those amino acids, they have different levels of them, that's why in a well diverse diet, all the aminoacids are in the levels we need.
It's literally doesn't
@@CorolaImperialCompared to meat they're absolutely lacking. I lack the strength to lift 1000 pounds like Eddie Hall, that don't mean I don't have strength. Lack and without are entirely different my friend.
It's honestly so exhausting for the vegan community to have to debunk these claims over and over again almost verbatim. Like when I first went vegan 7 years ago I was extremely active in the comments and spent sooo much time researching and debunking the almost endless stream of bs that comes out of carnists mouths.
For example, I once had to research, break down, and write up almost an enitre research paper worth of rebuttal on the mechanisms behind fasting to someone who simply stated "The only reason vegans can put on muscle at first is because they are fasting and their body is using up all the stored up nutrtion from when they used to ate meat." It takes hours to debunk one simple idiotic claim like this that these people pull out of there @55 because nutrition is extremely complex.
I don't regret that time spent arguing on here because I learned a lot from actually looking up the mechanisms, physiology, and biology behind the endless nonsensical claims they made. The thing is though, is that it's never enough. No matter how much data, no matter how well you explain it, and no matter how much the science simply shows there wrong, they just will jump onto the next made up claim.
I guess what i'm trying to say, is thank you. I truly commend people like you Mic who have the patience to continue doing this when the rest of us are exhausted by this nonsense just want the world to catch up already.
I also have spent (and still do) spend a lot of time here in the comments section of YT and some on Reddit debating meat eaters and debunking their claims. I recognize from the start that they will probably not admit that I debunked them, but knowing that others who are more objective might be swayed by my half of the debate. I can think of only twice when a meat eater admitted that "I won" the debate, but one of them said that they would continue as before regardless of the facts.
I have used Mic's videos many times. I sometimes link to them, and find the links in the show notes to be really helpful. Especially now that UA-cam has initiated a policy of automatically deleting new comments that include links. The only exception is to a link to a full YT video. Links to a specific part of a video also get deleted.
and did you ever think that you were exhausted because of your fad diet??????? MEAT ARE GOODZ 4 U!!!! MUCH PROTAINNNNNNNNZZZZ
edit: I also debate, your comment is beautiful, I actually screenshotted it to send to my keto "fructose poisons you" cousin
I just got done debunking an anti vegan again for old times sake . It's been a while.
It always ends in them claiming it's a massive conspiracy .
@MorTobXD Yep , flat earthers , creationists , and carnists are all equally unreasonable .
@@FreshGreenMoss They use any method available to avoid facing the facts.
Thank you 🙏🏻 for this one toooo !
Cheers from Netherlands 🇳🇱!
WFPB tooo and we absolutely thrive and love ❤️ it !!!
Good 😊 work Mic 🎤!
This guy gust proved that a balanced diet of meat, vegetables and carbs is better than a vegan diet alone LOL.
Very good, again. And a needed rebuttal: the world is so glamour struck by animal protein, ever willing to lap up any and every statement in favour of it. Even here in india, the 30% vegetarian population is crazy about dairy milk and especially paneer, dairy cottage cheese. Thanks a lot. Impressive research, number crunching etc.
had to google paneer. Never heard of it.
@@donwinston I used to eat it before I went pure plant based. The taste and texture is very similar to firm tofu.
Interesting! I knew about the fact that ghee, or clarified butter was popular, but I didn't know about the popularity of paneer cheese.
Well, caseomorphine is addictive. Cheese has been my hardest thing to end. I crave it still. I want Vegan versions to include protein and nutrients, as well as be able to melt and brown properly, minus the addictive bits, and the early death.
@Aaron Loos You won't be able to post links here on UA-cam comments, but can you give us enough info so we could Google those studies, to judge their credibility? UA-cam has a fairly new policy of automatically deleting new comments with links.
Very nice. I enjoy coming to your page for updated bookmarks for lecture materials.
Vegan trip? Where do I sign up? Seriously. I went on a trip with my friends last year. I love them but it was painful for me for several reasons. Most of all because of their misconceptions. I took an afternoon nap after being in the hot sun all day and riding a jet ski. They concluded I must have needed this nap because I must be “deficient in something”.
Like I said... it was painful.
On top of that I can’t overstate how valuable these “What I Learned” responses are. Someone close to me is a “What I Learned” subscriber and your response videos to that channel are so helpful in forming my rebuttal. Much love! Let’s do this vegan trip!
Thank you for all of your hard work in debunking these meat-based myths! However, could you address the Polish study bone density issue?
My sister took 150g vegan protein/day while working out - body building. After several months, a joint in her finger became enlarged and painful (it changed the shape of her Finger, looked like the tip was askew) long story short ...she was diagnosed with Rheumatoid Arthritis, at 43 years of age!!! She stopped the protein, and things have improved greatly.
Too much protein ages the body prematurely, wrinkles, diseases and all.
That extra protein bs was started by the meat industry in the late 1800's to sell their product! Don't buy into it 😁✌
That's because plant protein is super difficult to absorb and digest. There are lots of anti-nutrients too.
@@redhot654 Did you watch the video?
@@efthimios1917 yes. This guy twists and cherry picks. Don't base such important life decisions like your diet on this guy.
@@redhot654 Prove he cherry picks.
@@efthimios1917 They can't prove this....just like trumpers...no facts, just talking points!
Mic, thank you so much for this. I had no reference point for processing the video until you showed the way the studies were conducted and the ag funding of the information.
Thanks for all the hard work & research!
Was truly hoping phone velcro was going to take off! LOL...thanks for the debunk video.. I didn't believe it when it randomly popped up on my page.
Hi Mic, I watch your videos regularly. I would like to see a video about protein usability in general. I have lots of questions, when I speak to my friends they don't know the answers as well, I think many people don't. Although there is hype around it. When protein gives you energy? Could protein ends up as fat in your belly? When its "complete" that is irrelevant because it needs to be broken down to Amino acids and than build from scratch every time (with different amino acids profile)? If protein is not used for energy why we count it in calories? I have more questions if anybody is interested about topic. (English not native, sorry)
complete means having all of the essential amino acids at relative concentration, essential amino acids cannot be made by the body.
Fantastic rebuttal Mic! Thank you for putting in the work!
Thanks for uploading, you articulated a lot of the problems I had with his video that couldn't quite.
Loved this video! I'm going to read more about your sponsors product!
Will you talk about the weird “anti vegan ancestral eating” side of “holistic” eating and debunk all these people that are obsessed with raw milk and liver and organic meat? And think we “need” cholesterol and saturated fat so when you tell them animal foods are high in both they’re like “good” 💀💀💀
Yes I’m waiting for that one!! 😂😂
THIS. this community has gone off the rails
@@sierrahemp8682 “nooo you need liver for RETINOL vitamin a not BETA CAROTENE” 🤣🤣☹️
@@skatingsarah1996 Preformed vitamin A isn't even a vitamin by defenition of vitamin... Retinol causes oxidative stress and rises the risk for osteoporosis and ATTR, wild type amyloidosis. Carotinoids are vitamins by definition that we can't produce them ourselves.
Yes the raw dairy thing in particular!!
Live stock don't meet this daily intake of protein. We should feed them beef.
@Aaron Loos But plant protein is inferior to animal protein right?
Feed them beef! HAARRRRG!
My grandpa told me there's a beef tree he saw it with his own eye's.
I know right! Humans are weird they have a digestive system of the great apes but end up cooking most foods. Aarron loos cows may have 4 stomachs but its not for the protein its to get more energy out of cellulose.
@Aaron Loos aaaaaaa are you ok in the head. Feed a monkey only meat to prove me wrong. The only way to make meat mostly safe for monkeys to consume is to cook it. Bears are omnivores you can feed them plant foods and raw meat. To me you sound like someone that has never went to science class and decided to chew and smoke Tabaco in the bathrooms. Just because you can eat dirt dose not make you a dirtvore.
Interesting video and super helpful! Even though I am aware parts are for entertainment purposes, jokes e.g. about names do not really add to the credibility and give this a less authentic feel - still, good content and information.
Went full vegan for 2 months and felt great, in the end you'll feel great if you eliminate heavily processed foods. But in terms of weight lifting for me personally, meat and raw dairy products have proved dividend for my performance in the gym. To each their own.
Sounds like you need more protein from grains and lentils.
@@fmartin59grains are not good as a source of protein, their protein is gluten, you might have heard of it, 75% of people are gluten sensitive.
Yes the amount of strong vegans is pretty telling.
@@fmartin59Grains have way less protein than people give them credit for. Legumes rock, though.
It's so odd when I see you quote studies that are at odds with my personal experience.
I eat alot of eggs and red meat. My CRP is as close to 0 as you can get and my LDL is lower than yours.
I guess it just shows that different people tolerate different diets.
Don't know if it is just me, but the travel link doesn't work :(
But with that said, nice work on debunking the claims that plant proteins are inferior, and as always, thx for sharing insights in how to better the vegan diet, which is indeed the best all-around diet, especially when you eat a variety of foods, as is natural but still nice to know ^_^
I FIXED IT! Thanks so much for letting me know: my.trovatrip.com/public/l/poll/micthevegan
What I've learned never learns.
What a hater 🤡🤡🤡
I’m pretty sure he’s just another anti-vegan pushing his personal views on others. Very sad people actually look to that channel for nutritional advice.
@@ianmarshall9958 the thing is that it’s incredibly effective. I bought into all of his BS. I also feel his channel is a soft gateway into right wing politics too. It’s weird, but would take me a while to explain lmao
@@JoeARedHawk275 Ahhhh yes... Because he debunks veganism propagation he must right wing 😂 please explain how?
@@HovisOats what debunk? Mic showed WIL is twisting the data and using meat/dairy industry-funded studies.
Hey Mic .. I just need to ask you is there any plant based lean protein that can be used to maintain muscle? And I don’t want to combine with any starch based or high carb based food like potato or rice or lentils. Please suggest. Please keep it in mind that it should be lean protein and bioavailability should be high DIAAS score should be high.
Not all protein sources have the equivalent amount of essential amino acids. As research shows, foods with complete proteins stimulate muscle protein synthesis better than incomplete proteins.
Veganism is good for people who don't do anything and just sit all day doing mental gymnastics
The 'muscle protein synthesis' part doesn't just depend on the overall percentage of amino acids, it depends on which amino acid in particular is in high or low amount.
Different body functions that protein help in, mainly depends on what amino acid is in high amount or low.
You can't just it as complete and incomplete protein, you have to specify to make it credible. Muscle protein synthesis, like other functions, depends on the level from one specific amino acid, which can definitely be done with incomplete protein as long it has enough of that one amino acid
The differences are so minimal that it doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things. Fact is you can still build muscle easily with plant based protein with an adequate amount, and considering all the negative aspects of animal protein (not just health but environmental and ethical reason too) it's best to opt for the plant based proteins.
They should rename their channel “What I’ve cherry-picked to the point of absurdity today”
or MIke should 😂
You go girl! Tell it like is.
Have you ever tried what he said to prove your own point.
He failed to cherry-pick the high salt, msg, heavy metal, GMO, sunflower oil and preservative problem with meatless products.
Eat real whole vegetables..
I love eating peas... the WHOLE food.
A half cup of cooked split peas has 8g of protein and 115 calories.
Without consuming high sugar foods and processed carbs I need to eat 11cups of cooked split peas to hit my 2500calories 88g protein daily target.
Anyone ever grown peas?
How much unfertilised (because the agenda says no fertiliser) land and how much water would you require to feed yourself for one day? For 1 year?
What about a cow eating grass? The bonus of the cow is it fertilisers the ground and urinates out the water. Humans have known this since they settled and farmed the land. Prior to that we were HUNTER gatherers.
The paleo diet... we have not changed much. We certainly have not evolved since the creation of the supermarket. Prior to the supermarket the majority of foods we eat now did not exist. The way I see it 95% of supermarket food is unnatural poison and the reason behind most human ailments and disease.
There is NO human process that is more efficient than nature. At best we manage about 22% and the lost 78% is lost mainly as heat (global warming 😅)... is your diet really energy efficient and carbon neutral... even if you are vegetarian or vegan and walk everywhere? Did you grow or pick your own food from your local environment? If not, don't be a hypocrite. It was mechanically farmed and transported all the time kept at specific temperatures. Air conditioned, heated, cooled, well lit supermarket... now with automated doors, gates and surveillance. We could once gather our food for free. Now you get arrested.
Walking to your local supermarket and picking from a shelf does not count as picking from your local environment.
Artificially produced food is a joke.
Remember, in a natural carbon net zero environment, pea protein is seasonal... so where are you going to get your protein out of season?
Imagine if everyone was vegan... where are we going to grow all those peas if say every living person requires say an entire field?
Who starves?
When food is scarce many species resort to cannibalism.
Soy protein is known to lower testosterone which plays a significant role in aggression. Animal protein is converted to muscle mass far more effectively.
The question then becomes...
Who is getting eaten?
Yeah that channel is trash
I recently decided to go to a plant based diet. I talked to a nutritionist at the VA. She was supportive and said as long as I knew about beans and soy products she wasn't worried about protein. Normally she said that was her concern.
So... some people do not know that beans exist or what?
@@Mare0912 I think she is being playful referring to vegans who eat seitan and mock meats almost like they don’t know soy and beans exist, at least I hope so because otherwise yes that would be almost insulting lol
Veganism can be a hard sell so to encourage people what people do is they offer a sort of leniency, while in reality soy is shit(look into George Washington carver and it’s history) and beans in general are not good for humans. some may be able to get away with it while others like myself cannot at all. My Hindu friend finds that he can’t do vegan and he was born vegetarian, he says that ghee really helps the digestion and using a pressure cooker........ for someone who has a long lineage of vegetarians in his family this doesn’t sound very “natural”, I look exactly like mic the vegan and after 15 years of veganism my digestion became horrible, I stuck with it as long as I could...I tried a million things and learned so much but still couldn’t do it.
@@bstring3967 "beans in general are not good for humans"? Do explain.
A lot of beans give me problems and so does soy.
seeds nuts and other forms of protein are availible
Beans and soy!!! 😂😂😂
I’m so glad I found your vid, I recently changed my diet to the video’s without enough skepticism. I had no idea I was getting completely fooled.
an excellent video pointing out the details and fine print that goes unmentioned in most of these infographic videos. my only issue with it is that the language and mannerism you present in this video sometimes seems biased, argumentative and sometimes petty. but you should keep up the good work as both sides of an issue always needs to be put under the microscope the way you do to get properly informed.
Appreciate you doing this even though it is repetitive for you. Keep up the fight.
Thank you for this video! WIL's videos teach me how easy it is to cherry-pick data for an argument, lol.
I was skeptical at first but I appreciate your attention to detail in research as well as your alternative position. I would really like to see you and WIL have an in depth debate.
Very good video. Thank you! Only one thing when you yourself referred to the "great potatoes table" at 11:40 you should have mentioned that this study itself was also funded by Avebe, a potatoe company. Does not change any of the findings. But mentioning alone would have given you even higher "not talking BS credibility".
Really appreciate all you do on this channel!
Mic, as a non vegan (yet), but someone who is cutting down very significantly on all animal based products
your videos and knowledge are helping greatly. Thank you very much for your great content, much appreciated.
All the best on your journey to get to full vegan! You will see, you will love ! 👏👏👏👏👏
Hi Gavin! Awesome coment that intrigued my curiosity.
What attracted you to veganism?
What do you like to eat, can your favorite meals be converted to plant based vegan meals?
How do you feel or compare your previous much more nonvegan lifestyle to your current closer to vegan lifestyle? Looking into the future: Will your 96 year old self, thank you for going plant based?
Thank you for sharing! 😃
JoseTheVegan on UA-cam
You will fall apart on a vegan diet
@@jingtroc23 u wrong
Awesome work! ua-cam.com/users/NutritionfactsOrgMD is another great resource for scientific research on plant based diets and the harmful effects of animals products!
You are great Mic! thanks for this. I feel like you've given me back my sanity after listening to Gabrielle Lyon on Rangan Chatterjee
Amazing breakdown!! Could you point me to the other commentary you mentioned at 13:58 on leucine? Should we be trying to minimize leucine even in a plant-based diet?
No. IGF-1 is good for living a long healthy life... ALL the studies he showed you were feeding IGF-1 to CANCER CELLS... as in, late stage cancers that already exist in your body.... He didn't mention that because he's trying to bias you... muscle mass will keep you alive longer, and help you enjoy that life (not being bedridden).. So don't fear Lucine - stay strong!
I am glad you made this video as I saw this video a day ago and it really anoyed me how he bends the "facts"
Love the video and how you managed to make it very entertaining even though you go really deep into research. Thank you for putting the time!
While watching “what I have learned” video, I was inputting my breakfast ingredients into chronometer which hit 70% of all amino acid targets … and I am still at breakfast 😅
i got so confused now .. like extremely confused.
how did you manage your diet after watching both videos ?!!
Your answer is going to make difference so help with it if you please
Good video, good knowledge, dig deeper into cholesterol and LDL. Also I assume you see his channel as meat/dairy lobbying channel. You might be right but ask yourself, is a pro intermittent fasting / prolonged fasting guy really into lobbying ?
i've been waiting for this! good work 😃
Very good, thanks. I commented with my other identity, but another point occurred to me: many people, perhaps slightly more so here in India, demonise potatoes. So it's good to hear your endorsement of them from the protein aspect. I make sure to eat some potato every day: I know they have their benefits and I like them. The famous study from Israel showed that of all foods studied potatoes were the most satiating. Of cpurse, they would be good in a mixed diet, though people have lived on just potatoes for long periods. Even here in India, simple delicious less costly plant foods like potatoes, bananas and legumes are feared and/or despised by many, considered inferior, fattening or gas causing. People are dazzled by animal food generally, chicken, paneer (cottage cheese), cheese, meat... sigh. So it goes. Anyhow thanks for another impressively researched and analysed video and a necessary one.
ayo mate, where in India, I live in Delhi and there seems to be a love for potatoes, Aloo-matar, aloo tamatar, and stuff, dum aloo, there is no shortage of potatoes, Also the potato is the perfect vegetable since it comes in the proportion that should be eated, a fist. It's like nature's most optimal vegetable. Potatoes and Pea with Wheat Roti, perfectly complete food, and cheap, very cheap
Potatoes are one of the healthiest foods on the planet! Look at Spud fit on youtube, he was fat and sick, after eating only potatoes for a year, he gets slim and healthy.
@@rob6144 yes, I've seen his videos, Australian person I think. Others too, subsisting on only or mainly potatoes.
Quick question, but the reason people in India don't eat potatoes is religious reasons? I recall some have religious reasons to not eat onion and garlic as well
Yeah I'm sad that Ayur Veda thinks they are tamasic or whatever.
I would absolutely love to go on a trip hanging out with you man, I always watch your videos you are the best!
Thank you so much for making this video. His video really worried me
What I've learned is that "What I've Learned" does its research by delegating it to their interns who copy and paste from popular health blogs. I get 200 grams of protein a day on ~2000 calories eating completely plant-based.
I agree that there are myths about incomplete plant proteins etc out there.
I don't know how heavy you are but for the average 80kg man 200g of plant protein is enough for sure.
But I'm not sure say 80g of plant protein would be enough, whereas 80g of animal protein would still probably be sufficient.
There are many studies on this and the lower average muscle mass of vegans (maybe it's biased because athletic/strong people avoid a vegan diet) indicates this further.
DIAAS is not BS and not telling a vegan to eat more protein would be bad advice.
Every vegan should get the recommendation to up their protein intake(compared to the minumum recommendation for meat eaters) by ~60%,
which is easily doable
@@Goriaas " you arent sure" go check it yourself download chronometer and track those aminos. 80g of plant protein is good enough.
@@Acdhcup267 Well maybe I wasn't articulate enough.
80g of plant based protein is enough for a 80kg sedentary man to avoid any deficiencies but that's it.
If you eat more you'll have more muscle mass (which is inversely correlated with all cause mortality at all ages, and a good predictor of general health) especially if you do any sort of physical activity.
Look at what most vegan athletes and bodybuilders say. They all say you should eat more grams of protein than an omnivore.
DIAAS is not some woo-woo astrology thing like you guys make it sound
@@Goriaas Oh I see. Correct. You should check the Stanford vegan/vegeterian/protein study. DIAAS is outdated.
@My String'a'ling And thats where you are wrong. Plant and animal protein doesnt have any significant difference in absorptions.
As a kidney patient, I am acutely aware of a huge difference. Plant protein is much less hard on the kidneys than animal. That should tell you something ;)
The acidity of meat, combined with the calcium craze of dairy... kidneys overburdened and stoned?
@@hej2800 Acidity?
Plant protein contains amino *acids* too.
@@Gaia_Seraphina Animal products tend to have condensed fatty acids
@@Gaia_Seraphina They’re talking about pH differences. Obviously plant foods have amino acids too..
@@BingBongWasheeWashee
They have to. Those are the components of proteins after all.
But alcaline/acidic nutrition is scientific nonsense.
The blood pH is 7.4. Slightly alcalic.
The acid-base balance is regulated by breathing ( CO2 ), the kidneys and the bones ( minerals ). Not food.
If the blood pH goes under 7,35 then the patient suffers from either respiratoric acidosis caused by a bad lung function or metabolic acidosis due to diabetes.
This is life threatening and requires hospitalization, not dieting.
Hi Mic, what do you think of plant based green powders like "ATHLETIC GREENS AG 1". Are they any good?
They completely lack bioavailability. Just blend your money and pour it into the toilet for the same effect.
Your analogies were on point in this one! Both R2-D2 and Squirtle made me LLOL!
What you say about ageing is so true Mic. I'm 33, been vegan for almost four years and am not a sporty person at all, and it's crazy how bad all my animal-eating friends are ageing. It'd be cool a video about that if there's any research at all.
Thanks for debunking this knucklehead!
Dr. Michael Greger's next book will probably be "How Not to Age" - could be something for you, as soon as it's released :)
Just wait until you’re turning 50… some of my friends are starting to loom like they could be my parents! (almost not joking!)
I'd rather say it's due to the fact that many ( not all ) vegans tend to eat food which is rich in nutrients cuz they care more about health ... while many ( not all ) mixed diet eaters tend to be careless about that and proceed to eat very often highly processed, deep fried food in general, which is rich in fat, sugar and sodium and has less nutrients.
you are stunting your growth, something you can see in animals who are not fed enough. Maybe you do not seem to age but rest assured that you will not live as long as people who integrate animal products in their diets.
Your animal eating friends are probably eating added sugars, processed foods and unmecessary junk as well
You are attributing all that to animal proteins?
Gosh this is just 🙃 disappointing. So tired of people spreading misinformation. Thanks for doing what you do 💛
IKR... It's a shame anyone can spread BS info and so many people who don't know any better just follow blindly. I was one of those people a few years ago
@@Magani79 To be fair, he is guilty of doing the same thing. An example is when he was referencing "low carb diets" and used studies of diets that were 30-40% carbs and calling them low carb.
@@myrhev we'll, to be fair, several dietitian associations recommend a diet consisting of about 50-60 E% carbs, so from that perspective diets below 40 E% carbs can definitley be considered to be low carb diets. I'm willing to bet that most nutrition professionals and nutritional scientists would consider it to be low carb when it's below 45 E%. What would you call the span of 30-40E% carbs? And what definition of low carb diet do you consider to be right?
"misinformation"
I see this is the new buzzword for the "I fucking love science!" drones.
@@Manskeeeee care to refute the video? Oh, no? Thats what I thought
Straw man arguments about hospital wings being full, false dichotomies, and Pokémon jokes, are not convincing.
Literally it's stated everywhere that animal protein is better absorbed, better accepted etc.. it is superior. You only have to look it up, there's thousands and thousands of sites that site this fact.
"Literally it's stated everywhere that animal protein is better absorbed, better accepted etc.. it is superior. You only have to look it up, there's thousands and thousands of sites that site this fact." And speaking as a researcher who studies how people get fooled about healthy nutrition, those sites are misleading you/wrong. Research clearly shows that when you follow people for long periods of time, replacing animal protein for plant protein yields markedly better health outcomes--after controlling for other variables. This is well documented, whereas higher consumption of animal fat and protein ramps up virtually every known non-genetic disease. So how did researchers and pundits get it so wrong?
In a nutshell, they made many of the same mistakes WILs' video did. First, you can't just judge the quality or healthfulness of this or that protein based on the bioavailability of EAAs. Animal foods on average have more harmful health effects and fewer beneficial health effects than do whole plant foods. Compared to eating whole plant foods instead, meat in particular ramps up rates of many different diseases.
Second, judging the value of "eating plant proteins" cannot be done while just judging the global DIAAS score for an individual foods. One problem is that the way the DIAAS treats nitrogen means it underestimates the EAA value of plant foods and overestimates the EAA value of animal foods. Another problem is that people who eat plant based usually eats LOTS of different protein-containing foods, and the EAA strengths of one food counterbalance the EAA weakness of another plant food, rendering the already-strange DIAAS global score moot and useless/deeply misleading. I'm just eating lunch now and so far my vegan diet has included at least 15 different foods that contain protein. For every amino acid, there are multiple plant foods with DIAAS scores over 100, and for all but one amino acid there is at least one plant food with a DIAAS score over 110, so when you eat a variety of plant foods, it is quite easy to meet all your amino acid needs. If you just eat potato chips, candy, and beer, THEN you'd have a problem.
Third, research clearly shows that it is the AMOUNT of protein you eat--not whether it came from plants or animals--that determines its effects for building muscle.
Interestingly, those who don't eat meat have been found to have better endurance, FAR less toxic chemicals in their bodies, and to have arteries that dilate four times as well as those of meat eaters. One should focus on WHOLE plant foods to be truly healthy, but the case against eating lots of meat just keeps getting stronger and stronger.
Take care.
Nearly on year 7 of doin my best to be out in the world advertising my muscles as a vegan... You know, the muscles that haven't shrunk at all even though I haven't eaten any animal products in 7 years.... I'm sure they'll melt off any day now. It's funny how people are still worried, still ask me about protein, still think they'll lose muscle. Like, use your eyes, I don't have body dysmorphia, I know my arms are nice. Anyway it's heartening to hear 40% of the US doesn't eat "enough" meat.
Muscles, bones and brains evolve by using them.
@@soilikasanen no. Lol
@@jasminejohnson8051 Why do you think ppl go to gym then? To grow muscle. Weight bearing strenghtens bones. Brains loose their capacity if they are not put to work. Better move and think!
@@soilikasanen my apologies, upon re reading I see now that I misunderstood your previous statement. I thought you were trying to say our muscles bones and brained evolved by using them(as in eating animal products). I apologize, and agree with what you said. Have a nice day
@@jasminejohnson8051 No worries 😊💚
I love what you're doing, thank you! On another note, it is hard not to be a little frustrated at What I Have Learned, he doesn't seem to learn much
😄 In animal experiments intelligence is defined as the capability to learn from one"s mistakes. Even flies and common worms are able to do that! 🤓
He strangely seems to only learn from studies bought for by the meat industry, don't know why that is.
Should just be called "What I've learned from the corporate PR departments that fund me"
Great review and added context! We agree 100%.
Nutrition is a really annoying subject to learn about but if I learned anything from this video, it's that you can't trust anyone who compiles the information for you. I'm not vegan or even vegetarian and I only watched this to find out the truth from the other video. It always turns out to be far more complicated and people always leave out information. Even though this channel has highlighted mistakes in the original video, I wouldn't subscribe because I think it's more important that people just research things themselves instead of latching onto another youtuber for information on nutrition. Nevertheless, I'm thankful for this video to help me come to that realisation. I've seen debunks of debunks of debunks and it gets really tiring. Everyone is just looking for information supporting what they already believe to be true and everyone has an agenda. The meat industry is likely protected by a plethora of powerful things but I wouldn't believe for a second that the veganism industry doesn't or won't do the exact same thing. It's exhausting listening to and surrounding yourself with people who wouldn't admit they like feeling better than others. People in the comments joking about What I've Learned not really learning anything or "carnists" being people who jump to the next claim while entirely ignoring data. Finding amusement in a way that makes themselves feel superior or generalising entire groups as ignorant.
Sorry for ranting but ultimately I'm buying science textbooks, reading published scientific papers and trusting how my own body feels and performs. I hope everyone eventually does the same or something similar.
yes this is a major problem and a very difficult one too. I am trying to go vegan but I'm not actively looking for information to support my lifestyle. I want unbiased facts, which is hard to get when watching a video where someone obviously has a side. and it'll take alot longer to do all this research yourself
@@hammy9800 It definitely is longer. I looked at the sources from the original video and if you want to be accurate and informative, it would take hours just to read it let alone compile it into a video. I suspect most UA-camrs who research things and compile them often skim or miss things because it's extremely difficult not to. The source about increasing the average protein intake from .8 to 1.2/3 was a study on OLD WOMEN. I'm not an old woman or even and old man yet but it's just so easy to misinform. Everyone needs to learn to think for themselves or we will just lap up information that we like to hear from smiling charismatic pseudo celebrities.
@@hammy9800 Very difficult to get unbiased facts, everyone has an agenda unfortunately, including this video.
Good video Mic! My issue with the protein comparison that's everyones favourite discussion point right now, isn't actually anything to do with protein, but the often made comparison between highly processed, plant based fake meats (impossible, beyond et all) and animal food sources. I don't touch those highly processed fake 'plant based' foods, and I'm not a fan of the continued expansion of plant based processed slop - it opens up a not so weak argument that animal foods are superior from a health stand point. Whole food plants for the win.
Most of the plant-based analogues are not slop: They are carefully formulated to be higher in beneficial micro and macro nutrients, and lower in the less beneficial or harmful ones. They are _designed_ to be superior to animal proteins to directly compete with them. I think we are lucky to have so many different foods that can compete with dead animal.
@@tamcon72 are you serious? Or is that just what you've read and want to believe? Just for starters, research isolated proteins, pea, soy etc. I'd love to hear an argument for the health benefits of canola oil also. I'm not a nutritionist, I am however a doctor, and I don't recommend fake meat to patients. Whole foods are undeniable carriers of inherently better nutrition for your body. As for plant based fake meats being designed to be superior nutritionally, the CEO of Impossible has stated several times that the hierarchy of needs for their products is: Replicates the taste, texture and appearance of real meat. Go figure.
@@Samuel-bu7xr I'm a trained cook and I am basing my estimation on the ingredients and nutrition profile of new gen analogues. Also, the CEO of Beyond Meat has stated what I did, as has the CEO of Impossible on other occasions. They are improvements on animal foods.
Certainly, many analogs are high in sodium and saturated fat, so a doctor should not be recommending them, but they are almost without exception lower in these less beneficial components than the animal version, so a better choice than those. I am not comparing them to whole plant foods, which I favor.
@@tamcon72 agree to disagree. I'd recommend fish over Beyond or Impossible meat to a patient. Whole plant foods we agree are great
@@Samuel-bu7xr You'd recommend an animal filled with pollutants, including neurotoxins, over an analogue product synthesized from whole plant foods? I'm beginning to doubt your earlier statement.
Great video. Would be good if what I've learnt could respond to your robust and comprehensive debunking, but I guess he is on to his next people pleaser video by now; no regard for the harm he causes in his wake.
He has done responses in the past but just written ones on his Patreon.
Youre the man. I saw the video you de-bunked and i was seriously debating on if i should stick with the plant based lifestyle and safe to say now i will not make the change lol. Keep doing the amazing work you do we really appreciate it!!
Try carnivorous diet, than decide. Don't listen to scammers, especially vegans.
you should definitely make the change lol you can “debunk” anything with enough cherry picking research..carnivore diet + fruit all the way
I'm considering wading into this mess after watching a few videos. My conclusion is simply being omnivorous is the obvious choice, with a predominant selection of plant based foods. Eggs, for example, have such a high biological value and extremely nutritious, that if you can find a supplier and deal with humane concerns, there's literally no reason to not eat them. Super efficient, free (the chickens will lay them anyways), easily digestible, immensely versatile. Too useful and healthy not to use. The only reason not to is harm to the chickens, but if you control for that, then eating them everyday is a massive boost to high quality protein intake.
Damn I had watched the other video a few days ago thinking I learned something. Thankfully youtube recommended this one and I learned even more. Appreciate it!
Here we go! Pass the smart pop. I'm excited for this one.
‘What I’ve learnt’ still stuck in his meaty universe. Am sure he has a couple of sponsored freezers filled with flesh. Love the word ‘meat-case’ classic. Always look forward to yours and PlantChompers’ debunks. Just facts no shit.
Yo i appreciate this very much. I saw that "what i learned" video and while it sounded not totally accurate, it kind of freaked me out.
thank you this is very helpful as always!
Thanks for all you do. My wife turned me on to your channel over 2 years ago and it was a big reason behind me deciding to take the plunge and go vegan.
Good for you!
So sad to hear about it 😉😉😉
Thanks Mic! I love how you take on these videos point by point. I have been living well with MS for 15+ years eating predominantly plants. Committed to WFPB 5 years ago and am healthier than I have ever been. Hoping to travel with you this year!
Sweet and thanks for the kind words. Happy to hear you are crushing your MS. The link was broken but I fixed it here: my.trovatrip.com/public/l/poll/micthevegan
@@MictheVegan Thanks! Survey complete!
Thanks for doing this video. I also watched that video and was amazed that that sort of nonsense is still being put out there.
Hey Mic can you do a blood sugar video on something like potatoes? I feel like they'd be an interesting test.
thanks so much mike for all youve done and continue to do for us all
Were you able to get the whole shaft in?
Where is What I've Learned's video about how meager the US population's fiber intake?
Great video! And thanks for mentioning Ethiopian food...my favorite cuisine, hands-down.
Animal protein is simply higher quality, where plant based protein is more difficult to consume and is less nutritious thus requires consuming a wider variety of plants.
One of your best videos! Cheers for all you do!
0:35 reading this text, I can't believe there is a f*cking 'Egg Nutrition Centre' LOL
Hey Mic, the link for the travel survey has an extra dash so it doesn't work! Just thought I'd let you know :)
UGH I wish I saw this earlier. HERE IS THE FIXED VERSION! my.trovatrip.com/public/l/poll/micthevegan
very insightful video, I was worried when I saw the one you're debunking.
love your work AS ALWAYS ! Please come to Australia ! We need pressure on our importers here - we can only buy impossible meats at ONE outlet - a burger place SAD
Thanks, stranger from UA-cam!
I've cut down on my meat intake in the past, but was fooled by WIL's video and went back to being a full time meat-eater. Finding out that I'm a gullible person hurt, but I also attribute part of that to wanting the easy way out (thinking about nutrition and learning new recipes feels like hard work and a lot of effort to me, because pretty much every meal in my childhood contained some form of animal protein), now I feel like a fool. WIL preyed on my confirmation bias and he got me good...
I see myself as a man of science though, and the evidence and arguments you've provided made it unmistakenly clear, that I need to dive deeper into the mess of nutrition science and change my diet once again!
So thanks, for setting me straight and showing me my bias, even though it hurt to accept it.
Subscribed!
@UA-cam Account Well, WIL DOES get the science wrong on plant vs. animal protein AND on the ecological impacts of beef.
@UA-cam Account Plant protein is bioavailable enough that anyone eating ample amounts of a variety of different plant foods will be covered. For every EAA, there are multiple plant foods with DIAAS scores of 100 or higher, and for all but one, there is at least one plant food with a score over 110. Furthermore, getting protein from plants is healthier in other ways.
Take care.
@UA-cam Account Two thoughts. First, it's a little more complicated than your first line: Some plant proteins DO have excellent bioavailability, including soy, mycoprotein, and potatoes. However, the QUANTITY of protein most people get from soy will be higher than the other two.
Second, yes, this shouldn't be a problem if you are getting enough protein from a variety of plant foods. And everyone eating plant-based eats a variety of plant-protein-containing foods (I get 20 g of protein every day just from the kale I eat). Also, different plant foods actually have excellent scores for one or more essential amino acids, so once you combine them together, it covers the bases well (lysine is the hardest base to cover, and some people eating plant-based could fall short on lysine if they aren't getting enough legumes, potatoes, soy, etc.)
But before I even get to lunch, I will have eaten maybe 15 different protein-containing foods across the morning (including a 7-grain cereal), and will be somewhere in this ballpark:
2 cups soy milk: 14 g protein
2 thick slices homemade bread: ~16 g
Spicy bean dip on the bread: 5 g protein
3 cups kale: 6.6 g protein
Big bowl of heritage flakes: 8 g protein
Bowl steel cut oats: 7.5 g protein
Banana: 1.3 g protein
OK, so I’m not yet to my spicy rice & beans lunch, and I’m around 58.4 g of protein already, and have gotten in good carb-loading to give me energy for the day. I’ll end the day at around 100 g of protein, which is more than 1 g/kg of bodyweight. (and I'm clearly not starving!)
Take care.
If it makes you feel any better, I also had a phase of eating a lot of meat due to a WIL video, and also felt like an idiot at the end of it when Plant Chompers showed me the error of my ways. Am vegan now and, so far, not suffering from kwashiorkor.
"Wow, I can't believe a UA-camr would influence my diet decisions. Thank you for teaching me to change my diet decisions mr. UA-camr!"
Looking at people close to my age I'm always shocked and think "when will i look that old." 🤣🙈
Thank you for your educational videos and humor. It helps me put together what I'm learning in my classes and personal research, and helps me learn to laugh at the frustrating aspects of science and the average human intellect, inspiring me to further feed my brain with science, problem-solving, and identifying the details that are often overlooked, and building my knowledge of how to verbally express what I learn in a light-hearted and inoffensive way.
I understand that those would be just claims of a random person. But I followed wfpb diet for an 8 months. I was very motivated and strict. Every day I was feeling mentally and physically worse. I was anxious and irritated. I wanted to eat all the time. Beans made me so bloated that it hurt. I lost one third of my hair. And I did my investigation. In order to get all the recommended Ca from kale, you’ll need to eat it as much as it will suppress the thyroid. And that’s what happened to me. I gained weight over these months. Even though I wasn’t eating refined sugars.
Now I’m on keto. The only plant food that I eat is a few tbsp of almond flour and sunflower butter. My energy levels are higher, I sleep better, my waist line dropped to the level of the way it was when I was 25. My skin is glowing. I’m more focused. I do believe that vegan diet could be good for some people. Like keto. It’s a spectrum. Every person has to listen to their bodies.
Mic I'm glad that I've found your channel. You are performing an outstanding public service with the quality and quantity of your postings. They're very educational. I became vegetarian in 1976 and vegan in 2012. It's been a life long self education process. It's such a relief to finally have access to high quality data that cuts through all the myths and misinformation. Thank you for the work that you are doing.
It's easy to trash DIASS, which is a sincere effort to understand and rank protein sources, many of which are less than ideal. It's certainly better than the old PDCAAS system we relied on for years. Unfortunately, it seems some people expect perfection from DIASS. There are obese Americans who protest that the BMI score is less than perfect too, but perfection isn't possible. BMI is still an excellent way to rank body weight, even if it doesn't work for fit, muscular people (sadly, a small minority).
I've done more reading on DIASS scoring, and I was wrong. Mic is right. DIASS scoring is animal-protein biased, and appears to deliberately downplay the value of plant-based proteins. Unfortunately, the meat and dairy industries have a lot of clout and have been successful in distorting the true picture. I say that as a meat and dairy consumer. Mic is increasingly good at making me question my dietary choices.
@@paulmaxwell8851 ah yes, Because one thing is significantly more than another it must mean bias. I guess they have an anti-rice bias too because rice is downplayed in dciass scoring.
For your trip, go to a place where it’s really difficult to find vegan options. In Spain, I struggle a lot when eating out!
Lol, the “shorter” vegan children. I’m 5’, my partner was 6’1” and my (almost) 8 year old daughter (vegan from womb/birth) is the tallest girl in her class, 2nd tallest overall. Was the tallest in her previous classes too. My 10 year old son is almost as tall as me, officially vegan from 1 year on (although only tried a couple non-vegan things by then anyway). He’s not super tall, but he’s no shrimp either. Just anecdotal, I know, but thought I’d add anyway! Love your videos :)
She'd be dead if "vegan from birth". Stop lying
Thank you for these videos Mic, I saw it come up and it just stunned me. I think the flashy graphics and quick facts (rarely ever cited) used by WIL convinced me a little, it definitely took me aback when most of what i thought was true wasn’t, yet you digging through the muck and finding where they’ve covered up has helped with my view on things. Much appreciated!!
Yes finally! I did ask for this response a couple video back. I’m glad the most credible vegan UA-camr is doing a response to this😁 thank you Mic
Most credible?
@@mikean7074 Pretty darn credible though, or do you see many "debunking this Mic the Vegan guy" around? ;)
good debunk. I knew something was fishy with that what I've learned shit. People tryin to make me feel bad about not eating meat...I need to get bigger muscles. Mike how do I get bigger muscles on plant based!
thanks for this video, I found it incredibly educational and much more nuanced than the one What I've Learned put out
Your videos are so helpful, Mic. Thank you for all you do. It's frustrating that so much misinformation is out there, but you're always chipping away so effectively at those false narratives.
Vegan diet is all work all day
On the carnivore, eat 5 eggs and 150g beaf in the morning and have the rest of the day for other things to do.
I want to first complete ment you on the beautiful antique in the background. I love antiques and all my furniture is antiques and the stove I cook on has like ng legs and you have to light the burner.
I am old haven't eaten meat since New Years of my 24th year. I do eat fish and eggs and until July 24th of this year did eat cheese but not milk. I don't like the taste of milk. Mushroom pizza was my favorite food. I had lots of problems with weight in my life., Cheese has really messed me up badly and caused lots of constipation. You are so right about dairy. I have cut way down on butter too. Please let me hear from you.
HI MIC , THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE EXPOSE ON THE MEAT INDUSTRY...WELL PRESENTED AND ARTICULATED👍👍👍
Beautiful breakdown! thank you for the quality content. I have dabbled in to the low carb diets and it did reverse my pre-diabetes in about two months which is amazing. I think there is a place for low carb but as I am watching more and more vegan rebuttals of high protein diets I must say I am impressed with the thoroughness of your work. I really appreciate that and in the end all that matters is the truth so thank you for your contributions into finding it.
Did you stay low carb ?
@@Chris-kr7gg I took a break and haven't measured my Hba1c yet. Will update here once I do. My wife is actually doing vegetarian and I'm joining her for a bit