@@justsomeguywhokeepsgetting4885 Vader is definitely a more *iconic* character that is a villain, from a recognition perspective, and he is Very awesome. But specifically as a *Villain* character, Palpatine serves the role better.
@@kamixakadio2441 yeah I said this in another comment but Vader is an example of a good villain because he has depth whereas palpatine is just pure evil. Doesn’t need a sad and sympathetic backstory or show human emotions he is simply just evil and that makes him great.
have you by chance read the darth plageuis novel? it goes into detail about palpatines childhood and time as an apprentice. also fun fact plagueis was alive until the very end of phantome menace, at which point palpatine killed him
you gotta understand star wars was 1977 back then we didn't have many technological advancements so don't go dissing saying "the prequels suck" or "its lucas' fault the prequels turned out the way they did"
Edit: Since this video still gets traction, I feel like I need to inform people new to the Channel that this video is no longer in line with the standards I set for myself with not only editing but with research as well. Please note that newer videos reflect better on my skills as a UA-camr. Also, I like the Prequels, they're my favorite Star Wars films, I was just angry when I wrote this script. I have been informed that Max Von Sydow played Ming the Merciless in the Flash Gordon movie, not Ben Kingsley, so I apologize for the misinformation.
I believe The Emperor is still out there after episode 9. He has master many powers of the Dark side of the Force. I believe his spirit is still out there looking for a new body to poses. Do you believe his is still out there?
The prequel set build the whole palatine had a plan story. He took the galaxy a piece at a time playing two sides against each other. He mentally blocked the jedi and warped the force. He spawned so many issues for the jedi they allowed him to add anakin to the council. They allowed him to make calls on their actions without ever going back to the temple and working on their force insight to find out why he even cared that anakin was on the council in the first place knowing that they would likely still not give him the rank and they just did it anway lol. The republic was hard to maintain but without seeing it at all in action we don't know how easy it was to get rid of it all together with some fear and terror. Sidious's arrogance in the recent trilogy and the originals is based on the successfulness of the plans he crafted to become the emperor and up to each interaction with the heroes. He was not convinced he could be defeated because he had not been beaten what so ever all this time so once he became the emperor he stopped planning and just maintained the empire and stopped trying to improve vader so vader could have been more immersed in the dark side. Vader trained alone and when hunting jedi but was mainly drifting between the light and the dark on his own over what he did to become who he was in the suit. Had Sidious even honored that possibility of vader turning back to the light after finding his kids he may have planned better. The ways he loses in the first and last trilogy shows you how the dark side can be strong but it is also emotion based so being overly emotional and less pragmatic cost him twice because he couldn't shut the hell up when trying to get Luke or Rey to do what he wanted. So each set of movies is necessary to the whole despite what any fan has to say. You need all nine to understand the jedi/sith dynamic and the galaxy. Leaving anything off omits an angle or pov of the galaxy from that characters eyes.
Maybe people that *don't* think the prequels are masterpieces may fail to comprehend the scope and genius of the story? Yeah, there are arguable flaws. Too much digital and bluescreen? Poor execution of certain characters? Stiff acting and wooden dialogue? But there's a substance, soul and relevance to em which the new films could never comprehend. Those older films operate on a whole other level. The prequels became more powerful than TLJ for eg. could possibly imagine! There's a reason why they and the characters in them mean so much to so many peeps and why they're still full of memorable quote's and meme's. They may be poor films? I aren't a critic so I wouldn't know, but as works of art, they are glorious!
Hal9000 fan-edits of the Prequels make them fun and unironically great. They're still Lucas' work, just snipped and re-arranged a bit. Also, never read the Dark Empire series, but listened to the excellent audio adaptation many times over the decades. Both highly recommended.
Dont even understand why people criticize the "digital" and "bluscreens"....it took Star Wars to the next level, especially the whole scale of Planets, Citys, Fights and more Everything that was "new" in those 3 movies is now the golden standard for most movies today....everything is digital now and people love it (Avengers etc) I love the OG trilogy but when i watch them they feel outdated as hell, especially the effects....cant say that for the Prequels Even the dialogue isnt as bad as people make it, Star Wars always had this "medieval/epic" style of dialogue......these movies are 100% Star Wars and have pretty much everything we love, the soul of these movies are perfect and theyre truly the last real Star Wars expirience
I agree about the sequels not being planned out and that there is no explanation for Palpatine's return but I don't agree with his plans not making sense. He first wanted Kylo's body but when he was redeemed he changed his target to Rey but when he realised that they are a dyad which would restore him and he sucks it out.
His return is the same as the non cannon one that's why they left the details off. The sequels were lightly planned out for Ben to fall to the dark and commit a similar path to vader without ending up half a robot. He bested his master who was imposing and pushing him mentally to do so because Sidious wanted his body as a new host. Ben sacrificed himself for the greater good and showed that one can not simply give extra life without a cost. It cost Sidious to return and it cost Ben to bring Rey back to life. Snooke was a pawn to push kylo further to the edge and make him more suitable for a host for his spirit. That's why snoke said " the deed split your spirit to the bone.. Your unbalanced". Sidious needed him to fully lean into the dark side for the switch to work.him but ING unbalanced was too much like vader. The dyad then heals/restores Sidious a great deal and he decided again to just continue ruling and plays with his opponents again because the glee of the dark side being back in his control gave him confidence that nothing could undo him at that time. He never considered that the force could strike back like it did when he and his master messed with the force to create anakin. The force seemingly struck back as yoda was trained in how to communicate from the force and seemingly passed it on or bridged a connection to other jedi alive or dead to reach Rey. The films tie together very well they just don't seem like it unless you kind of binge watch the star wars shows in mass. I'm talking movies and cannon shows. You can see how the galaxy was never a unit and some favored the dark vs the light depending on where the planet was in the galaxy. The more star wars material I watched the more I see how it weaves together over time to show how the clone wars was this eras mandalorian wars and the republic was doomed as soon as they gave palpatine emergency powers.
If he wanted Kylo's body, why didn't he propose Kylo to kill him? Second, how does Kylo turning to the light is a problem to use his body? Rey is pure light and he wanter to use hers...Third, how they can be light-dark dyad if Kylo is redeemed? Fourth, if he didn't know they are a dyad why did he start suck their Force? Also, his sucking abilities came out of nowhere...Finally, who tf announces his plans to all Galaxy instead of surprise attack?
If you look into the legends version of Grievous’s backstory and character you can clearly see he is more tragic then he may appear he didn’t choose to be a cyborg he was turned into one after an explosion that nearly killed him, not only that but his hatred for the Jedi stems from the fact that they helped the invading species trying to enslave his people and killed many of them, of course none of this is no longer cannon sadly but I still like to consider it cannon considering it adds a lot to the character and it makes a lot more sense then the stupid reason being “he wanted to improve in combat”
Palpatine’s plan with Rey does make sense though because it had to change to fit the current circumstances. Sidious first wants Kylo to be the vessel for his spirit and “heir to the Sith”. Killing Rey would’ve cemented Kylo within the dark side and proven his worth. However when Kylo turns to the light, Palpatine states how Leia has disrupted this plan. But sensing the growing shame and fear in Rey, and with her force potential also being high enough to contain Palpatine’s spirit, he turns his sight to her. He never wanted her to rule herself. When he says “rule here” “as Empress” “on the throne” he really means as a vessel for Palpatine while he rules. Sidious tried to complete the ritual but Ben stops Rey before she falls for the trap. When Palpatine realises the Dyad has the power to restore his body to its proper form - he needn’t steal a body. Makes sense to me. Episode 9 is actually really good if you think and give it a chance.
Honestly, I've never thought of it that way. I appreciate you took the time to type this out, and I'm really happy you were able to see something I wasn't.
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@@satanbrony9235 That's true. This video is just so well made, it actually feels more in depth and professional than most videos i find in this genre! Its almost like I have found a hidden gem on UA-cam!
Because of his prequels rant in the middle when he's supposed to be talking Emperor Palpatine probably drove people away and white lightning the sequels probably drove people who don't like Disney era star wars away.
Yeah but for anyone just watching the movies, Palpatine is definitely the first type, and I would argue that he works extremely well as that. The best first-type villains are the ones that lean into their role and having a blast being evil. Palpatine is a prime example but this also goes for the better Disney villains. The advantage is that you don‘t need to spend any more than minimal time on them but they will still be riveting because they‘re just fun.
I was with you all the way up until you started trashing the PreQuels.... they aged well and we should’ve appreciated Lucas more before he sold it now we’re stuck with Disney
Actually Grievous isn't your regular soulless villain either. From the books, his home planet was unjustifiably humiliated by the republic and his wife died, etc...
Legends Grievous is a much more compelling villain than in canon, and their rework of him after 2003 did not do him justice. In my opinion, it was perhaps the greatest waste of potential in this whole series. In Legends, Grievous is a sympathetic villain - his species, the Kaleesh, are dominated by another called the Huk, and when their oppression becomes too great, they wage war against them. Led by Grievous (then Qymaen Jai Sheelal) the Kaleesh nearly exterminate the Huk race before they call on the Republic to stop them. The Jedi forcefully repress the Kaleesh army, and the Republic levels crippling economic sanctions against the planet Kalee. Sheelal eventually leaves Kalee, which is in dire straits, and becomes an enforcer for the InterGalactic Banking Clan. When the Clone Wars break out after the formation of the CIS, his allegiance is preordained by his hatred for the Republic and he Jedi. He learned in his youth that the justice and peace they provide is not granted universally, but rather when convenient and lucrative. After Sidious secretly engineers his near death, the stage is set for the rebirth of the Clone Wars’ greatest villain - the terrifying General Grievous.
@@fredjones2170 Uhhhh No it hasn't. Instead of a warlord who lost his wife and was turned into a cyborg by the Separatists, he's now just a generic bad guy who got progressively turned into a cyborg willingly. Where the hell is your proof ?
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Your best evidence for the Prequels being 'bad' are referring to the 'usual suspects' riding the 'Prequel Hate' bandwagon? Guys like RLM, who basically hate George? Stuckmann and Cosmonaut who clearly don't try very hard to understand the films? Jeremy Jahns and Nostalgia Critic, both of whom ended up backtracking, and Jeremy actually apologised for being so wrong? Then you flat out contradict your evidence that 'everyone' knows they're bad in the very next sentence. You acknowledge there's positive UA-camrs, but dismissed all their views away entirely, since they ALL think the Prequels were perfect 'Masterpieces'?! Who are we talking about? Does Thor Skywalker? Full Fat Videos? Does Rick Worley? Does CinemaWins? Does Anomaly Inc? Nope. Even the most positive fan, 'Star Wars Theory' doesn't praise them to that extent. Most of what you just said was subjective opinion, not fact. Also the Prequels being 'liked' well BEFORE they even thought up TCW is a fact beyond question. It's total nonsense to suggest people went regularly, and over the whole summer of '99 to watch a movie they "DIDN'T LIKE?!". TPM grossed $1027 MILLION worldwide, way back in 1999. So what happened? Were the audiences being threatened or hypnotised? Smh. From the tickets drop after the film's opening weekend, you can generally tell whether the film is well 'liked' or not. The first audiences to see it either give it bad reviews, (as with TLJ and TRoS) or continue to recommend it to friends and family. And many fans may go back to view it multiple times. Hence the figures will reflect that. All three Prequels were all successful for an extended period of time, and total figures actually improved from AOTC ($649 million) to the final episode, ROS ($848 million). That's a fair few 'likes' translated into a fair few dollar bills I'd say! Now let's take the last Disney Sequel, 'TRoS' as a comparison, where audiences quickly dropped off after the opening week, and the film hardly lasted in the 'top 5' beyond the first month. And already people want it, and the entire Disney trilogy, wiped completely from Canon. TRoS did considerably worse than TLJ, which itself did considerably worse than TFA. And TRoS failed despite being the only big film being shown over Christmas, it still struggled to attract audiences for any length of time. And so this drop in it's total box office figures reflected how much the film was actually 'liked'. (Or disliked) As for the TCW 'improving' the Prequels for fans, and being the reason they 'like' them now... Let's put this into perspective, it's like saying a giant was improved by an ant! Since TPM sold over 84.5 Million cinema tickets in the USA alone. Revenge of the Sith sold 59 Million US tickets. Whilst 'The Clone Wars' seasons 1 and 2 of the series had only 3 million to 4 million total viewers, however in seasons 3 and 4 the number of viewers dropped to between 1 to 2 million. Do some research and confirm all this for yourself. I should look forward to a correction and apology in your next Prequels video perhaps?
Yep the prequels were masterpieces. It’s not the Original trilogy but it holds up as being great. The reason people don’t like it is their either following a trend, “I don’t like sand” line, or jar jar & kid Anakin (who weren’t even that bad). I’m glad more people are coming around to the prequels. It’s too bad 3 poorly constructed fan fiction Disney movies needed to be made to opens some of the prequel haters eyes
Palpatine arguably underestimates Vader‘s attachment to his son, which foolish given how this exact attachment was a major factor in his attempt to setup Vader‘s downfall at Luke‘s hand.
I‘m actually pretty sure Palpatine was gonna win regardless of whether Amidala survived or not. If the TF killed her and stayed in charge of Naboo, he can use that an the impetus to remove Valorum and lead the countercharge.
@@merafirewing6591agreed, to him; Jake Lloyd and Ahmed Best. None of them deserved what happened to them when so many more people love their work, myself included.
33:12 - No, it's not that there's 1 star wars universe within which canon stories do take place and legends are never happened/non-canon stories. Legends is a valid continuity, it stands as a separate universe. The word "canon" in sw means that a story is canon to some timeline (which of course means that it's part of it), but the word "Canon" means the New Canon/Disney Canon which is a continuity of all the movies and some other media works. So in general we have 2 star wars continuities that are equally valid and both contain George Lucas's movies (episode 1-6). There are not many star wars stories that are non-canon either to Legends nor to the New Canon. (By the way, I know that "Infinities" stories which were never canon are now part of legends, but it doesn't mean they're part of legends timeline. Legends timeline is made out of majority of legends works but not all of them).
You need to give the prequels a break. Like that is the hard part to even watch through. And the correct that particular character is always Palpatine even if he is an Emperor. It's Kathy Kennedy that put Star Wars into a quick grave.
Idk if the comic came out after this video but it is implied palps manipulated the medaclorians in akinens mother to create him using he's masters teachings also vader knew he would be replaced it happend to him several times he just killed his replacement as I understand vader didn't kill palps because palps was all he had left if that even is correct
If they ever bring him back that would explain why they had to fully remove Sidious from the picture so thrawn can be the next big threat to the universe if needed. If Sidious kept thrawn closer they may have defeated the revels.
No Ken is Palpatines only decendent and he won't have children. The Palpatines are dead, Anakins bloodline lives because Cade Skywalker and Anya Solo are alive and might have children
The prequels aren't bad. I don't understand all the hate they get Edit: read the novel Plagius. So many false statements in this video Second edit: okay so you know about the book. But left out all the information because it isn't "canon" or you just didn't read it. Horrible video
Arcann is a wonderful sympathetic villain in swtor and to anyone that hasn’t played or does play but lacks a subscription I urge you play through the kotet and kotfe stories you will thank me
The sequel trilogy?? Never heard of it, or you mean those fanfics that Disney did for money? I actually liked the prequals, they are not perfect(nothing is actually I like them more then the originals) but I like politics don't hate Jar Jar so much and like the memes and the story but there also some videos like of some one called so uncivilised.
I think Vader has considered that the Emperor might replace him, but Luke is the only potential replacement that was actually a threat to him (and survived). And of course, it‘s different when the threat is his own son. He is deeply ambivalent about every single thing about his conflict with Luke. He wants to protect him as much as he wants to turn him. Every other potential rival, Vader could just contrive to kill. Luke is his weakspot and Palpatine knows this. If he can force them to fight, Luke will probably end up killing Vader eliminating him as a threat. And if Vader wins, he will be even more Palpatine‘s slave than before.
My thoughts about all trilogys? Prequels had good story line, but poor execution, ot tad ok story line, but excellent execution, and sequels had bad storry line, and bad exaction. Over all prequels and ot were good, tho for different reasons, and sequels were bad.
Seriously, they could've just used Snoke clones instead of the Emperor. They had spares in jars lol. In terms of the sequels, three mistakes were made. 1: 7 was a reboot, not a sequel. Also space janitors. 2: 8 was a post modernist deconstruction brutally foisted upon a series defined by the Hero's Journey. 3: Rise of a Palpatine was revealed in a FORTNITE PROMO EVENT and THE FIRST THREE WORDS OF THE TITLE CRAWL. I liked 7 on my first viewing, hated 8 (is cemented as the worst movie I've EVER seen), and watched 9 a year later so I could have a good laugh with my parents. These films are an abandoned dumpster fire because neither of the two dipshits writing this mess could stop creating ridiculous spectacles, glued together by McMuffins and gaping plotholes. Seriously, if you want a good reason why the prequels blow this trilogy out of the water, keep track of how many fight scenes and exposition dumps are in each film. Then compare them to the OT and PT. It's night and day on how much time they waste trying to either explain the plot, or kamikaze it forward.
Personally if you ask me I think Palpatine is just another one dimensional villain. I mean I know not every villain needs a sob story or a motivation but at least give him something beside “I’m the big bad guy so I’m gonna try to take over everything” shtick that’s been done over and over again.
Well, you've obviously never explored his backstory or motivations, which are reflected off the typical sith code and goal of ultimate power and eternal life.
@@zelepo8398 true, but I wouldn't even compare them that much. Both of them are amazing in their own way (especially Clone Wars😏), because both of them have very different main plots. TCW is obviously about the Clone Wars, the fall of the Republic and Anakin, the hypocrisy of the Jedi, yada yada yada. Mandalorian is more of a space western with a lovely father/son story
Hes not only one of the best star wars villains but just flat out the best villain.
That is VERY arguable. It depends what you like about villains.
@@satanbrony9235 He is purely evil and he is awesome unlike people like Vader
@@justsomeguywhokeepsgetting4885 Vader is definitely a more *iconic* character that is a villain, from a recognition perspective, and he is Very awesome.
But specifically as a *Villain* character, Palpatine serves the role better.
@@kamixakadio2441 yeah I said this in another comment but Vader is an example of a good villain because he has depth whereas palpatine is just pure evil. Doesn’t need a sad and sympathetic backstory or show human emotions he is simply just evil and that makes him great.
I've been saying this for years
He is just the best villain.
"The Sith and the jedi are similar in almost every way, including their quest for Greater Power"
have you by chance read the darth plageuis novel? it goes into detail about palpatines childhood and time as an apprentice. also fun fact plagueis was alive until the very end of phantome menace, at which point palpatine killed him
impersonator of Sheev Palpatine
This is a really well made analysis! I hope you keep making more videos like this!
thank you everyone for supporting me and the empire!
Hail emperor Palpatine!
Just found this video. It was excellent and perfectly summed up the Star Wars movies.
you gotta understand star wars was 1977 back then we didn't have many technological advancements so don't go dissing saying "the prequels suck" or "its lucas' fault the prequels turned out the way they did"
Edit: Since this video still gets traction, I feel like I need to inform people new to the Channel that this video is no longer in line with the standards I set for myself with not only editing but with research as well. Please note that newer videos reflect better on my skills as a UA-camr. Also, I like the Prequels, they're my favorite Star Wars films, I was just angry when I wrote this script.
I have been informed that Max Von Sydow played Ming the Merciless in the Flash Gordon movie, not Ben Kingsley, so I apologize for the misinformation.
Where's palpatine's dong'a'longa?
I believe The Emperor is still out there after episode 9. He has master many powers of the Dark side of the Force. I believe his spirit is still out there looking for a new body to poses. Do you believe his is still out there?
I was afraid I got Mandelaed for a moment.
@@matthewchelette9088 Indeed.
Your wrong about him not knowing about Anakin palpatine used the force to create him there a whole comic about it
The prequel set build the whole palatine had a plan story. He took the galaxy a piece at a time playing two sides against each other.
He mentally blocked the jedi and warped the force. He spawned so many issues for the jedi they allowed him to add anakin to the council. They allowed him to make calls on their actions without ever going back to the temple and working on their force insight to find out why he even cared that anakin was on the council in the first place knowing that they would likely still not give him the rank and they just did it anway lol.
The republic was hard to maintain but without seeing it at all in action we don't know how easy it was to get rid of it all together with some fear and terror.
Sidious's arrogance in the recent trilogy and the originals is based on the successfulness of the plans he crafted to become the emperor and up to each interaction with the heroes. He was not convinced he could be defeated because he had not been beaten what so ever all this time so once he became the emperor he stopped planning and just maintained the empire and stopped trying to improve vader so vader could have been more immersed in the dark side. Vader trained alone and when hunting jedi but was mainly drifting between the light and the dark on his own over what he did to become who he was in the suit. Had Sidious even honored that possibility of vader turning back to the light after finding his kids he may have planned better.
The ways he loses in the first and last trilogy shows you how the dark side can be strong but it is also emotion based so being overly emotional and less pragmatic cost him twice because he couldn't shut the hell up when trying to get Luke or Rey to do what he wanted.
So each set of movies is necessary to the whole despite what any fan has to say. You need all nine to understand the jedi/sith dynamic and the galaxy. Leaving anything off omits an angle or pov of the galaxy from that characters eyes.
He surpassed best stars villain he’s just the best of all time..... the GOAT if you will. When it comes to villainy he is unrivaled.
Maybe people that *don't* think the prequels are masterpieces may fail to comprehend the scope and genius of the story? Yeah, there are arguable flaws. Too much digital and bluescreen? Poor execution of certain characters? Stiff acting and wooden dialogue? But there's a substance, soul and relevance to em which the new films could never comprehend. Those older films operate on a whole other level. The prequels became more powerful than TLJ for eg. could possibly imagine! There's a reason why they and the characters in them mean so much to so many peeps and why they're still full of memorable quote's and meme's. They may be poor films? I aren't a critic so I wouldn't know, but as works of art, they are glorious!
Hal9000 fan-edits of the Prequels make them fun and unironically great. They're still Lucas' work, just snipped and re-arranged a bit.
Also, never read the Dark Empire series, but listened to the excellent audio adaptation many times over the decades.
Both highly recommended.
Dont even understand why people criticize the "digital" and "bluscreens"....it took Star Wars to the next level, especially the whole scale of Planets, Citys, Fights and more
Everything that was "new" in those 3 movies is now the golden standard for most movies today....everything is digital now and people love it (Avengers etc)
I love the OG trilogy but when i watch them they feel outdated as hell, especially the effects....cant say that for the Prequels
Even the dialogue isnt as bad as people make it, Star Wars always had this "medieval/epic" style of dialogue......these movies are 100% Star Wars and have pretty much everything we love, the soul of these movies are perfect and theyre truly the last real Star Wars expirience
I agree about the sequels not being planned out and that there is no explanation for Palpatine's return but I don't agree with his plans not making sense. He first wanted Kylo's body but when he was redeemed he changed his target to Rey but when he realised that they are a dyad which would restore him and he sucks it out.
His return is the same as the non cannon one that's why they left the details off. The sequels were lightly planned out for Ben to fall to the dark and commit a similar path to vader without ending up half a robot. He bested his master who was imposing and pushing him mentally to do so because Sidious wanted his body as a new host. Ben sacrificed himself for the greater good and showed that one can not simply give extra life without a cost. It cost Sidious to return and it cost Ben to bring Rey back to life.
Snooke was a pawn to push kylo further to the edge and make him more suitable for a host for his spirit. That's why snoke said " the deed split your spirit to the bone.. Your unbalanced". Sidious needed him to fully lean into the dark side for the switch to work.him but ING unbalanced was too much like vader.
The dyad then heals/restores Sidious a great deal and he decided again to just continue ruling and plays with his opponents again because the glee of the dark side being back in his control gave him confidence that nothing could undo him at that time. He never considered that the force could strike back like it did when he and his master messed with the force to create anakin. The force seemingly struck back as yoda was trained in how to communicate from the force and seemingly passed it on or bridged a connection to other jedi alive or dead to reach Rey.
The films tie together very well they just don't seem like it unless you kind of binge watch the star wars shows in mass. I'm talking movies and cannon shows. You can see how the galaxy was never a unit and some favored the dark vs the light depending on where the planet was in the galaxy. The more star wars material I watched the more I see how it weaves together over time to show how the clone wars was this eras mandalorian wars and the republic was doomed as soon as they gave palpatine emergency powers.
If he wanted Kylo's body, why didn't he propose Kylo to kill him? Second, how does Kylo turning to the light is a problem to use his body? Rey is pure light and he wanter to use hers...Third, how they can be light-dark dyad if Kylo is redeemed? Fourth, if he didn't know they are a dyad why did he start suck their Force? Also, his sucking abilities came out of nowhere...Finally, who tf announces his plans to all Galaxy instead of surprise attack?
If you look into the legends version of Grievous’s backstory and character you can clearly see he is more tragic then he may appear he didn’t choose to be a cyborg he was turned into one after an explosion that nearly killed him, not only that but his hatred for the Jedi stems from the fact that they helped the invading species trying to enslave his people and killed many of them, of course none of this is no longer cannon sadly but I still like to consider it cannon considering it adds a lot to the character and it makes a lot more sense then the stupid reason being “he wanted to improve in combat”
Remove Star Wars from the title, and I'll agree.
The laugh and the music at the very end of the video is gold 🤌🤌
Love your thoughtful work! Thanks.
Palpatine’s plan with Rey does make sense though because it had to change to fit the current circumstances.
Sidious first wants Kylo to be the vessel for his spirit and “heir to the Sith”. Killing Rey would’ve cemented Kylo within the dark side and proven his worth.
However when Kylo turns to the light, Palpatine states how Leia has disrupted this plan. But sensing the growing shame and fear in Rey, and with her force potential also being high enough to contain Palpatine’s spirit, he turns his sight to her.
He never wanted her to rule herself. When he says “rule here” “as Empress” “on the throne” he really means as a vessel for Palpatine while he rules. Sidious tried to complete the ritual but Ben stops Rey before she falls for the trap.
When Palpatine realises the Dyad has the power to restore his body to its proper form - he needn’t steal a body.
Makes sense to me. Episode 9 is actually really good if you think and give it a chance.
Honestly, I've never thought of it that way. I appreciate you took the time to type this out, and I'm really happy you were able to see something I wasn't.
Palpatine is not only the best Star Wars villain he is the best villain ever
I loved how at the beginning that you added the Avengers EMH theme song!
How does this have less than 100k views?!
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@@satanbrony9235 That's true. This video is just so well made, it actually feels more in depth and professional than most videos i find in this genre! Its almost like I have found a hidden gem on UA-cam!
Because of his prequels rant in the middle when he's supposed to be talking Emperor Palpatine probably drove people away and white lightning the sequels probably drove people who don't like Disney era star wars away.
Palpatine: I am the *SENATE*
Mace windu: oh
Well imma head ou- Oh I’m ded
Yeah but for anyone just watching the movies, Palpatine is definitely the first type, and I would argue that he works extremely well as that. The best first-type villains are the ones that lean into their role and having a blast being evil. Palpatine is a prime example but this also goes for the better Disney villains.
The advantage is that you don‘t need to spend any more than minimal time on them but they will still be riveting because they‘re just fun.
I hate this narrative that Star Wars is only good in spite of George Lucas. Shows a lack of knowledge of the arts and of Star Wars and why it works.
No mate, he is not the best star wars villain, he is best villain ever.
Love him so much! Since I was a kid I have always loved Palpatine!
He is THE Star Wars villain.
It gets really good at 15 minutes. Abraham Lincoln... LOL
It doesn’t make sense to me how 9 of these films can be a saga, I thought saga meant 6
The prequels are legitimately epic
I was with you all the way up until you started trashing the PreQuels.... they aged well and we should’ve appreciated Lucas more before he sold it now we’re stuck with Disney
Same, and the lowkey Disney movies white knighting was just as annoying...
Yup 👍🏽
i'm surprised you didn't mention why we got Palpatine in RoS instead of the infinitely superior Duel of Fates
Actually Grievous isn't your regular soulless villain either. From the books, his home planet was unjustifiably humiliated by the republic and his wife died, etc...
Legends Grievous is a much more compelling villain than in canon, and their rework of him after 2003 did not do him justice. In my opinion, it was perhaps the greatest waste of potential in this whole series. In Legends, Grievous is a sympathetic villain - his species, the Kaleesh, are dominated by another called the Huk, and when their oppression becomes too great, they wage war against them. Led by Grievous (then Qymaen Jai Sheelal) the Kaleesh nearly exterminate the Huk race before they call on the Republic to stop them. The Jedi forcefully repress the Kaleesh army, and the Republic levels crippling economic sanctions against the planet Kalee. Sheelal eventually leaves Kalee, which is in dire straits, and becomes an enforcer for the InterGalactic Banking Clan. When the Clone Wars break out after the formation of the CIS, his allegiance is preordained by his hatred for the Republic and he Jedi. He learned in his youth that the justice and peace they provide is not granted universally, but rather when convenient and lucrative. After Sidious secretly engineers his near death, the stage is set for the rebirth of the Clone Wars’ greatest villain - the terrifying General Grievous.
Oh yeah, apparently most of Grievous’ backstory has now been recanonized. So that’s neat
Dude Legends Grievous stomps Canon Grievous any day
@@fredjones2170 Uhhhh No it hasn't. Instead of a warlord who lost his wife and was turned into a cyborg by the Separatists, he's now just a generic bad guy who got progressively turned into a cyborg willingly.
Where the hell is your proof ?
@@yrooxrksvi7142 the episode that featured Grievous's lair leaves a very heavy hint that he is kaleesh.
@@merafirewing6591 And ? That's literally the only established thing about him shared by both continuities.
A nice honest essay of Star Wars
It's a bittersweet day, being the day before the Season two finale episode of the Mandalorian, and also the day that we lost the original Boba Fett actor Jeremy Bulloch.
R.I.P. ua-cam.com/video/RPUIeF5_oQk/v-deo.html
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Just because the Plagueis book isn‘t canon anymore does not mean it doesn‘t actually explain the backstory.
Is that the Gonk-Emperor of Man or of Droid-kind? Either way, I almost spit out my food lol
He’s the best villain in cinema history.
He is THE Star Wars villain. Somehow even the sequels knew that.
okay, you haven't realized that the prequels arent bad, and most (if not all) of the critisms have been debunked
Your best evidence for the Prequels being 'bad' are referring to the 'usual suspects' riding the 'Prequel Hate' bandwagon? Guys like RLM, who basically hate George? Stuckmann and Cosmonaut who clearly don't try very hard to understand the films? Jeremy Jahns and Nostalgia Critic, both of whom ended up backtracking, and Jeremy actually apologised for being so wrong?
Then you flat out contradict your evidence that 'everyone' knows they're bad in the very next sentence. You acknowledge there's positive UA-camrs, but dismissed all their views away entirely, since they ALL think the Prequels were perfect 'Masterpieces'?! Who are we talking about? Does Thor Skywalker? Full Fat Videos? Does Rick Worley? Does CinemaWins? Does Anomaly Inc? Nope. Even the most positive fan, 'Star Wars Theory' doesn't praise them to that extent.
Most of what you just said was subjective opinion, not fact. Also the Prequels being 'liked' well BEFORE they even thought up TCW is a fact beyond question. It's total nonsense to suggest people went regularly, and over the whole summer of '99 to watch a movie they "DIDN'T LIKE?!". TPM grossed $1027 MILLION worldwide, way back in 1999. So what happened? Were the audiences being threatened or hypnotised? Smh.
From the tickets drop after the film's opening weekend, you can generally tell whether the film is well 'liked' or not. The first audiences to see it either give it bad reviews, (as with TLJ and TRoS) or continue to recommend it to friends and family. And many fans may go back to view it multiple times. Hence the figures will reflect that. All three Prequels were all successful for an extended period of time, and total figures actually improved from AOTC ($649 million) to the final episode, ROS ($848 million). That's a fair few 'likes' translated into a fair few dollar bills I'd say!
Now let's take the last Disney Sequel, 'TRoS' as a comparison, where audiences quickly dropped off after the opening week, and the film hardly lasted in the 'top 5' beyond the first month. And already people want it, and the entire Disney trilogy, wiped completely from Canon. TRoS did considerably worse than TLJ, which itself did considerably worse than TFA. And TRoS failed despite being the only big film being shown over Christmas, it still struggled to attract audiences for any length of time. And so this drop in it's total box office figures reflected how much the film was actually 'liked'. (Or disliked)
As for the TCW 'improving' the Prequels for fans, and being the reason they 'like' them now... Let's put this into perspective, it's like saying a giant was improved by an ant! Since TPM sold over 84.5 Million cinema tickets in the USA alone. Revenge of the Sith sold 59 Million US tickets. Whilst 'The Clone Wars' seasons 1 and 2 of the series had only 3 million to 4 million total viewers, however in seasons 3 and 4 the number of viewers dropped to between 1 to 2 million.
Do some research and confirm all this for yourself. I should look forward to a correction and apology in your next Prequels video perhaps?
Yes to all of this.
Yep the prequels were masterpieces. It’s not the Original trilogy but it holds up as being great. The reason people don’t like it is their either following a trend, “I don’t like sand” line, or jar jar & kid Anakin (who weren’t even that bad). I’m glad more people are coming around to the prequels. It’s too bad 3 poorly constructed fan fiction Disney movies needed to be made to opens some of the prequel haters eyes
Biggest bullshit comment I have read
Palpatine arguably underestimates Vader‘s attachment to his son, which foolish given how this exact attachment was a major factor in his attempt to setup Vader‘s downfall at Luke‘s hand.
Why Palpatine is the best Star Wars villain: because he's the villain in the main 9 films.
I‘m actually pretty sure Palpatine was gonna win regardless of whether Amidala survived or not. If the TF killed her and stayed in charge of Naboo, he can use that an the impetus to remove Valorum and lead the countercharge.
16:00 you lost me at the rant. How are the prequels bad? Please give objective facts instead of calling George Lucas an idiot.
That is rude.
And very undeserved hate.
@@merafirewing6591agreed, to him; Jake Lloyd and Ahmed Best. None of them deserved what happened to them when so many more people love their work, myself included.
Cuphead music? Terraria music? This video is amazing
Palpatine is the ONLY Star Wars Villain
Grievous didn’t improve himself. Dooku crashed his ship so he was forced into a droid body.
Is it even a question who's the best Star wars villain is
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No
Yes
Cheap fucking knock off
Palpatine did nothing wrong…
33:12 - No, it's not that there's 1 star wars universe within which canon stories do take place and legends are never happened/non-canon stories. Legends is a valid continuity, it stands as a separate universe. The word "canon" in sw means that a story is canon to some timeline (which of course means that it's part of it), but the word "Canon" means the New Canon/Disney Canon which is a continuity of all the movies and some other media works. So in general we have 2 star wars continuities that are equally valid and both contain George Lucas's movies (episode 1-6). There are not many star wars stories that are non-canon either to Legends nor to the New Canon. (By the way, I know that "Infinities" stories which were never canon are now part of legends, but it doesn't mean they're part of legends timeline. Legends timeline is made out of majority of legends works but not all of them).
While I think Vader is better with just the movies, with Clone Wars and Bad Batch, I think they are tied.
You need to give the prequels a break. Like that is the hard part to even watch through. And the correct that particular character is always Palpatine even if he is an Emperor. It's Kathy Kennedy that put Star Wars into a quick grave.
Idk if the comic came out after this video but it is implied palps manipulated the medaclorians in akinens mother to create him using he's masters teachings also vader knew he would be replaced it happend to him several times he just killed his replacement as I understand vader didn't kill palps because palps was all he had left if that even is correct
Thrawn: I’m about to end this mans whole career
Thrawn can't be compared to Sidious
If they ever bring him back that would explain why they had to fully remove Sidious from the picture so thrawn can be the next big threat to the universe if needed. If Sidious kept thrawn closer they may have defeated the revels.
Mad respect for using the Avengers Assemble Intro theme
I like Vader more but I admit that Palpatine is way better villain than him
Disney is to Star Wars, what season 8 is to Game of Thrones.
The Skywalkers are dead, His bloodline lives on, Palpatine has won
No Ken is Palpatines only decendent and he won't have children.
The Palpatines are dead, Anakins bloodline lives because Cade Skywalker and Anya Solo are alive and might have children
Quality vid
You throwing shad at mauler !? 15:22😬
The prequels aren't bad. I don't understand all the hate they get
Edit: read the novel Plagius. So many false statements in this video
Second edit: okay so you know about the book. But left out all the information because it isn't "canon" or you just didn't read it. Horrible video
Arcann is a wonderful sympathetic villain in swtor and to anyone that hasn’t played or does play but lacks a subscription I urge you play through the kotet and kotfe stories you will thank me
15:20 You're just straight-up incorrect. They are exceedingly good movies. Get over it.
Ben Kingsley did not play in for Ming the Merciless in the Flash Gordon movie Max Von Sydow did (1980)
12:16
Spinel: Did Sheev also sing Other Friends too?
You spelled movie wrong
the gonk droid as the Emperor of mankind from Warhammer 40k
lol why?
The prequels are not bad films
I also love how palpatine was done in the novels (ROTS novel legends and lords of the sith canon)
The sequel trilogy?? Never heard of it, or you mean those fanfics that Disney did for money?
I actually liked the prequals, they are not perfect(nothing is actually I like them more then the originals) but I like politics don't hate Jar Jar so much and like the memes and the story but there also some videos like of some one called so uncivilised.
Sequels > Prequels
Revenge of the Sith is not bad.
You we’re doing so well until you exposed yourself as Redlettermedia shill
I have failed you I have failed you great video
I think Vader has considered that the Emperor might replace him, but Luke is the only potential replacement that was actually a threat to him (and survived). And of course, it‘s different when the threat is his own son. He is deeply ambivalent about every single thing about his conflict with Luke. He wants to protect him as much as he wants to turn him.
Every other potential rival, Vader could just contrive to kill. Luke is his weakspot and Palpatine knows this. If he can force them to fight, Luke will probably end up killing Vader eliminating him as a threat. And if Vader wins, he will be even more Palpatine‘s slave than before.
My thoughts about all trilogys? Prequels had good story line, but poor execution, ot tad ok story line, but excellent execution, and sequels had bad storry line, and bad exaction. Over all prequels and ot were good, tho for different reasons, and sequels were bad.
How just how do you only have 300 subs. The number is missing atleast 3 zeros
I don't think the Prequels are bad but cool video
12:15 is this a Steven Universe reference?
Or am i crazy?
3:05
Booo on you
Grievous wasn't a traditional villain in the original EU
200th sub
This video is everything
Seriously, they could've just used Snoke clones instead of the Emperor. They had spares in jars lol.
In terms of the sequels, three mistakes were made.
1: 7 was a reboot, not a sequel. Also space janitors.
2: 8 was a post modernist deconstruction brutally foisted upon a series defined by the Hero's Journey.
3: Rise of a Palpatine was revealed in a FORTNITE PROMO EVENT and THE FIRST THREE WORDS OF THE TITLE CRAWL.
I liked 7 on my first viewing, hated 8 (is cemented as the worst movie I've EVER seen), and watched 9 a year later so I could have a good laugh with my parents.
These films are an abandoned dumpster fire because neither of the two dipshits writing this mess could stop creating ridiculous spectacles, glued together by McMuffins and gaping plotholes.
Seriously, if you want a good reason why the prequels blow this trilogy out of the water, keep track of how many fight scenes and exposition dumps are in each film. Then compare them to the OT and PT. It's night and day on how much time they waste trying to either explain the plot, or kamikaze it forward.
Kingsley did not play MING.
Short Answer: *He's a pure jerk*
The opera scene is not only the most important scene in Revenge of The Sith, it’s also the best, at least in my opinion.
Have you ever heard the tragedy of Darth Plagueis the wise?
Personally if you ask me I think Palpatine is just another one dimensional villain. I mean I know not every villain needs a sob story or a motivation but at least give him something beside “I’m the big bad guy so I’m gonna try to take over everything” shtick that’s been done over and over again.
Well, you've obviously never explored his backstory or motivations, which are reflected off the typical sith code and goal of ultimate power and eternal life.
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That just proves my point. “Ultimate power” “eternal life” all your typical Saturday morning cartoon villain motivation.
Well made video although I’d say that the Mandalorian is now on par with the Clone Wars
not even close. clone wars is miles clear
@@zelepo8398 true, but I wouldn't even compare them that much. Both of them are amazing in their own way (especially Clone Wars😏), because both of them have very different main plots. TCW is obviously about the Clone Wars, the fall of the Republic and Anakin, the hypocrisy of the Jedi, yada yada yada. Mandalorian is more of a space western with a lovely father/son story
Well, he IS responcible for just about EVERYTHING that happens in all of the movies.
28:48 A surprise, to be sure, but a... um, never mind.
15:01 it's treason then
Yes he is... then Episode IX happened!
It makes vaders death pointless
Palpatine‘s plan is brilliant but w.r.t. Anakin it only works because the Jedi are d u m b, and because Obi Wan is away fighting Grievous.
the best villain
Hmm why is the main villain of Star Wars the best villain of Star Wars 🤔
Your so quiet in relation to the background music, its hard to hear your voice in parts
8:08 _>bonk