20:30 the best part of the Anakin Padme scene is when you realize the two different perspectives of what’s happening here: Anakin is conflicted about whether or not to interfere with Palpatine’s arrest, and he essentially knows he has to pick a side here with no going back. Anakin obviously has the force so as he’s wrestling with the decision and his mind goes to padme, he looks across Coruscant and can literally see her standing there looking back at him. She’s unaware he can see her in this moment, but is genuinely just worried about Anakin and looks over at the Jedi temple. In Anakin’s biggest moment of internal conflict, he gazes over and sees his oblivious wife in their home, pregnant with his child (only one as far as he knows), and the only person alive who’s ever truly cared about him and knows him better than anyone… and she happens to be staring back in that moment because she’s worried about him. From his pov, what else could he do but save Palpatine and ensure she doesn’t die like his mother or Qui Gon? Idk about you but Anakin’s decisions in second half of the movie seem to make a lot of sense to me and this scene is the number one reason for that. Despite all the terrible things he does, I remember this moment and honestly feel bad for Anakin.
Was that in the novelization? As addressed in the video, it’s just not in the movie. Lucas has nothing to do with those novelizations, and anything he didn’t put on the screen. He doesn’t read them, or even reference them, at all. It’s someone else’s job, and it’s all just more merchandising to him. In the movie, Anakin doesn’t see Padme in that moment. Sidious is still doing his Palpatine voice, and acting like Mace is there to assassinate him, for the Jedi to take over, as he says to Anakin. Anakin simply says “I need him” and “It’s not the Jedi way” after Palpatine is the one who told him to kill Dooku. Sorry, Lucas is a terrible writer of dialogue, and he was a piss poor director on these movies. The entire fight is just bad. Sidious even tries to surprise Mace, with his lightning, and then just acts like a helpless old man, as if Anakin didn’t remember the moment prior. Lucas wasted so much on scenes and dialogue that isn’t needed, while making scenes like that one, seem like it’s three different ideas, and versions of the scene, that were cut into one.
@@CorbCorbinit is absolutely in the movie. While it isnt explicitly said in those terms, all of that is there. It is shown, not told. We know he can sense things in the force. We know he is struggling with his decision. I don't remember that being in the novelization, but that definitely doesn't mean it wasn't. But you can definitely get that from what's going on on screen alone. He is looking out knowingly, Natalie plays Padme as thinking of Anakin, but unaware that something big is about to happen. Either seeing her through the force, or knowing she's just back there alone, it doesn't really matter, we can see the thought process in his mind plainly. He thinks he can absolutely predict when people will die that he loves. He is convinced she will die. He also knows Palpatine is evil, but he also knows he has great knowledge of powers the jedi would never delve into because of their dogmatism. He literally says to Mace, "I need him." Anakin didn't go into Palpatine's office looking to kill Mace or betray the Jedi. He was disobeying Mace and the essentially throwing away his position of trust in the Jedi (and yes, he has said multiple times in the trilogy how he wants to be the best jedi and most powerful jedi, so not getting master is really important payoff, explicitly.) When he gets there and sees Mace just summarily executing Palpatine (Anakin does not know Palpatine attacked first,) that is where he truly makes his decision. He needs Palpatine, even if there is a small chance he isn't lying about being able to save people from dying. He is essentially making a deal with the devil, and he knows it. Best case. Then he has to kill one of his mentors just to even make the deal with the devil. Then, once he's kneeling, you can also clearly see from the ACTING, that Anakin is reluctant and regretful, but he has made his decision and is committed to it to get what he NEEDS to get. He doesn't like it. He hasn't even really turned. He just HAS TO. And Palpatine convinces Anakin that all Jedi have basically become assassins and insurrectionists, and must be wiped out. He's mixing Anakin's patriotism with having to obey the new master to get what he needs. And from then on, into the original trilogy, he's just operating on a sunk cost fallacy, where he's come this far, and to turn back to good now would just be wasting how far he'd come now. If he doesn't kill the younglings, then Mace died for nothing, then Padme will die, he's already gone too far, going a little farther won't damn him any more, he has started cutting off his trapped arm, he just needs to cut all the way through, so to speak .... and whatever you call it when you just say screw it I did some evil stuff, so I'm really gonna go hard into the evil so I KNOW I'm irredeemable and don't ever have to struggle with being good, and basically want to kill the good in myself so I don't feel this guilt. Lucas is a great director if any of these decisions are purposeful, and obviously they are, as most of that is accomplished with no or minimal dialogue, which is perfectly serviceable, to great prose, and masterful performances. But yeah, just repeat the meme that George is a shit director, that'll get the trained seals clapping.
I have no shame in saying Revenge of the Sith is my favorite movie of all time. Yes, I've seen a lot of movies. I grew up on movies and went to film school to watch all the greats, the classics, the Oscar winners, the Citizen Kanes, the obscure French cinema, all of it. There are a lot of heavy, layered, emotional triumphs of the medium I absolutely love that far supersede this movie in quality. But none of them replicate the feeling I get watching this for the past 18 years. These films inspired me to create. I know you've addressed a lot of the plot holes in this movie that should prevent it from being held in such a high regard, so I'll offer some different reasons for liking this as much as I do. This is arguably Star Wars at its most Shakespearean. This entire saga is a space opera with mystical fantasy, but Episode III plays itself up in these qualities so much that it has the most bombastic, dramatic, tragic moments of the films, punctuated by John Williams with what is undeniably his most emotional score of the saga. The campiness of it only emphasizes further that this story is meant to be a theatre play brought to the screen. And there's value in stories told that way. If you want to go down the political route with this (shocker, the Vietnam/fascism allegory that is Star Wars since 1977 is political), these were pretty poignant films to come out at the height of the Bush Administration and post-9/11 paranoia. The Phantom Menace falls less into this for obvious reasons, but if you know cinema, you know 9/11 was a fundamental turning point in pop culture in general (See Lindsay Ellis' video on War of the Worlds vs Independence Day). I don't think this was an exception. Lucas has been very vocal about his opinions on the War on Terror, and making films about the undermining of democracy in the name of security, and warping public perception about a war and its justification is no coincidence. Anakin even paraphrases Bush's speeches to Congress ("If you're not with me, then you're my enemy"). Whether you think the politics of the prequels are boring or not, they are integral to how the story of the prequels were told. If anything, Episodes II and III are fascinating to analyze like many films in the 2000s for the real-world context they were created in. I could write pages about this, which shows how long I've loved this film and how it never fails to fascinate me and evoke emotion out of me. There's always something new to take away no matter how many times I watch it. If that makes my taste trash, then it's trash, but I wouldn't dare to favor any other movie above all else like I do with this one.
i always thought that the WW2 fascination with the originals IE the ww2 dog fights, the dictatorship etc. the prequels was essentailly very similar in many ways to the rise of hitler
i think star wars both original and prequels, was more along the lines of Hitler takin gover the world and being a dictator. the original s had dog fights designed after ww2 dogfights stromtorrper swere literally what they called the nazi ssoldiers and in star wars. palapatine was elected as Suprmeme chancellor like hitler, same exact title. an dlik ehitler he took things over slowly bit by bit creating and manupilait things and also gainign power.
You described exactly why I love the prequels so much - I watched the movies in chronological order first time and didn't know a thing about Star Wars. This way of watching the saga not only makes the prequels more interesting, emotional and not predictable, but also elevates the emotional impact of OT films on another level. Can't even describe my emotions when Vader saves Luke and turns light side at the end
A grievous mistake on your part. 😄 I'm sorry. I've been just ridiculous with dad jokes for a few weeks straight now. I think I need to go sit in the corner and think about what I did. 😄
i agree. in fact, i was going to say that the dolman25 talked about the best acting totally forgot to say Ian was by far the best PERIOD. the dude is insane. in all three prequels and ROTJ
I fully understand the imperfections of this film, but some of those which you choose to highlight are really not serious. Complaining that Anakin's desire to be a master and his relationship with Obi-Wan weren't obvious enough are really weird critiques. Same goes for Palpatine knowing they'd ask Anakin to spy on him, or sense his feelings for Padme. These are not shocking things for someone so close to know, or a massive leap for force users to work out. Palpatine has trained for so long he's literally an old man, when compared to Rey who's had a good couple hours across her trilogy. Anakin's issue never was that it was his dream to be a master, it just felt insulting when he wasn't made one along with appointment to the council. And I also can appreciate a bit of nuance in Anakin and Obi-Wan's relationship, it fact I think that is what sells it so well in my opinion. Saying Obi-Wan wasn't sad enough - again, what? It's perfectly in character for him to be in denial and to hide away his emotions, he literally represents the emotion-hiding, duty-bound, flawed part of the Jedi. I also think you seriously misunderstand Dooku's motivations, as well as what it's like to be groomed. It's important when you criticise these elements to do so primarily from the perspectives of those involved, not the all-seeing perspective of the viewer. From each of there perspectives, you might find their actions, or things they know about people, make a lot more sense. Also, yes all hail John Williams, but also, turning off the sound in literally any emotional scene will make it far less emotional, this is literally rule 1 of film making. I don't even know how you could consider this a legitimate criticism of this film. Whether you consider it a masterpiece or not, none of these things prevent it, nor does the fact that you perceive a fight scene to be a little bit goofy. For many people the charm is what is so enjoyable. And no, authorship is not the sole reason the sequels are worse films that the prequels. For a start, the sequels fell short in most ways from an objective film making perspective whereas the prequels did not. It's also not realistic to say the prequels were ever as hated as the sequels are now - there was no serious hope or even desire by the majority of the fanbase that they would be fully retconned. I seriously think some research into the concept of nuance would benefit your reviewing abilities across the board.
I seriously think some research into what people were saying 15 years ago would benefit your opinions on Star Wars. I will not accept this revisionist history that people didn’t want the prequels removed from canon. Give me a break, those were some of the most hated movies of the past 30 years
@@thegoldman25Nah it's just not the case. I was part of the crowd that thought they were bad, but no one I knew wanted them removed from canon. Aside from a couple little bits and bobs like midichlorians, the problem most people had wasn't the existence of the story, it was dumb things like too much CGI. This isn't the same with the sequels. Everyone I know personally with any Star Wars familiarity would rather they didn't exist, and the broader online opinion is similar. I've lived through both and they are just not the same. And I can tell you the main reason: the sequels had no care or respect for the characters or the universe. And I'll admit it's harder to create a story following beloved characters than it is to add backstory, they had it harder, but what they made is still worse. I can tell you with 100% certainty that RoS is infinitely more hated than RotS ever was.
You miss Qui-gons entire point of existence as a character. He is the master Anakin needed. The master he should have had. While Obi-wan is the master he got… changing that would be a massive issue for the theme of the story, the duel of fates, Obi-wans failings, etc…
I did not miss the point, I totally understand that is the direction Lucas took this story and I do not like it. I think Qui-Gon being "the master Anakin needed" was a dumb story decision
@@thegoldman25 but it is precisely what shows that with the proper guidance, and less dogmatic teachings, Anakin could have been ok. It also makes Mauls presence in the first film better, as him killing Qui-gon is what seals Anakins fate. Also, you go onto to say the separatists should have ransomed the chancellor after capturing him… why do you assume that wasn’t their express intention? The rescue effort was being launched as the capture was taking place. They didn’t have a chance to do anything with him yet.
@@thegoldman25you have missed so many points in this movie and I'm only 27 mins into the video(which is well put together well done) I had to see I wasn't the only one who disagrees with you, you need to rewatch the movies in my opinion
@@thegoldman25but that’s literally the point. If Qui-Gon had been Anakin’s master this would have probably never happened. That’s what makes the situation kinda tragic.
I know a lot of people are tired of seeing Palpatine pop up all the time lately, but that's why I love him in Bad Batch. His ability to completely turn the situation with kamino in his favor is a master class in dirty politics. It would have been nice to see some of that in the prequels
Yeah there's nothing wrong with seeing palpatine appear over and over again if it's done right. It only becomes a problem if he's being oversaturated in every star wars project or he gets brought back with no valid explanation as to why he's back
Yeah bad batch made sense because he literally just reformed the galaxy he’s not going full hermit yet Rebels sort of made sense as he was trying to manipulate a force sensitive ezra but even then that’s a bit annoying Rise of skywalker can go to hell
I recently rewatched all the movies and shows in chronological order and i agree, it felt very rewarding to have so much more buildup to the events of the original trilogy
Think about how you fell in love with the series though... Would you have the same love for it if starting with episode 1? Would you even be able to keep watching it through to 4? I'm not sure, as I've had many times trying to show people movies that are amazing but if they missed the setup of the story, they didn't get the proper payoff or something like that. Yeah, the chronological order is better if the person knows they enjoy this type of story and will commit to watching it all, but that's a lot to ask for many people :/
I'm loving these "Years Later" videos. I think sometimes it's good to revisit certain movies that we thought was or wasn't good when we first saw them years ago.
When it comes to Anakin's anger towards not becoming master, I think it more so comes from how Anakin is never truly recognized as a jedi by the council, let alone a master. This is first seen in the Phantom Menace where Qui-Gon had to fight to make Anakin his apprentice, because the council didn't want him, nor did they believe he was the chosen one. I wish Attack of the Clones elaborated on this more, but this is how I always interpreted Anakin's frustration in Revenge of the Sith, even in the absence of The Clone Wars; frustrated with the fact that the jedi council basically doesn't want Anakin around. I will agree Anakin's sudden drive for mass murder is a little too much without context from The Clone Wars.
When episode 3 was written Ahsoka didn't exist and I'm pretty sure to get promoted to master you need to have trained at least one Padawan - so Anakin should know he's not even qualified for that job And Ahsoka didn't complete her training so even with the clone wars cartoon he still isn't qualified
@@jamesarnold7253While this is absolutely true in terms of how to become a Master, I think that it's only ONE of the ways. Similar to how becoming a Knight requires you to pass the trials, however destroying a Sith Lord also allows you to leapfrog to the rank of Knight without doing so. That being said, I don't know what Anakin believes HE had done to leapfrog to Master without training a Padawan to knighthood, so there's that.😅
AOTC showed plenty of that through Obi Wan who treated Anakin like trash. And you’re simply forgetting the vast ideological differences, how he was barred from his whole desire to be a living being with emotions and love and mother. The cliche of Jedi being mean girls to him isn’t necessary. Even the not making him a Master was NOT about his personal dissatisfaction that they don’t want him around, it was a symbol of the CORRUPTION of the Jedi who refused to promote a worthy candidate like him and instead prefer nepotism putting sycophants like the other Jedi.
I mean plus within the organization being a master on the council has a prestige that comes with it being a selective group. Imagine getting the honor to be at the head of the organization but not getting any of the titles or laurels that come with it. It’s insulting.
@@bridgetsleepy7841100%. Like it doesn’t make sense. Imagine being a director of nursing but no authority ? Imagine being head of department of business but with no powers? When you put it this way every single person would be irate! Especially how this looks to your fellow colleagues.
One thing i think is worth pointinf out is that Anakin grew up confiding in Palpatine. He was his friend outside of the jedi order. A lot of the things Palpatine knows about him arent hard to infer if you know Anakin well. Especially since him and Padme werent exactly good at hiding their relationship 😅
Came here to say this. Palpatine wasn’t as omniscient as the video states, rather, it’s implied that Anakin and he were quite close over the years. A second fatherly figure.
It would’ve been nice to see all of those moments between Anakin and Palpatine, instead of just hearing that they happened off camera. Such great storytelling 🙄
I'm an old man who grew up with the original trilogy and I was not impressed with the prequels but I still liked them. I had all the 6 movies on DVD once I could have them and in the time since then I have rewatched them obviously but in the end I have ended up watching revenge of the sith a whole lot more than the others and it's definitely my second favorite Star Wars movie and IMO it's the most "entertaining" movie of the series
I also grew up with the original trilogy and sometimes like to watch the prequels except Revenge of the Sith. Even after all these years I still hate that movie.
As an old man who also grew up with the original trilogy, RoS is tolerable compared to the other prequels. PM had a great final duel and CW has nothing. RoS at least had more than one decent scene. RoJ hasn’t aged as well as my childhood memory, but it’s still leagues better than the prequels.
I was 14 when ep 1 released so for a 6 year period of my life star wars was the OG trilogy. So when the prequels released I was a lot like you.. I loved watching them in the cinema the first time but as time went on especially ep 1 and 2 felt lacking (I fucking loved ep 3 from day 1). There was too big of a shift in style and the connection to the OT felt flimsy at best... As social media became I thing I fell into the phantom menace was the worst star wars ever train of thought... But like you whenever I watched the saga again I'd always include the prequels thinking at least the worst ones are first.. But as I've gotten older.. I kinda love PM and episode 2 is deffo the worst for me. One thing I'll say Disney has done right in the tike they have had star wars is marrying the trilogies together.. Having prequel tech and characters showing up in OT era movie is and shows has helped making the connection stronger.. Now I'm not a Disney fan, except for force awakens, rogue one and parts of Mando I haven't been fan of much of what they have done with it since including the sequel trilogy but at least there's that
I think anakin’s sudden switch to the dark side slaughter Jedi’s and younglings makes more sense if you think about what palpatine said earlier, “do what must be done” and that was the only way for Anakin to dig deep enough into the dark side to become a true apprentice of the sith in order to save Padmé. Later on Mustafar after all of the killing you can see Anakin crying, which probably means that all of he slaughter wasn’t something he enjoyed, but something he did in pain.
38:10 actually, dying from sadness (or broken heart syndrome) is possible and lots of very social animals (like elephants) do die because of that, but its rare
I know it's a bit of a cop out, but the clone wars show really helps Anakin's turn and character in general a lot. Ahsoka leaving him, the Jedi not trusting him, everything on Mortis. I wish a 7 season show wasn't needed to "fix" ROTS but for us big fans its epic
I know you focus mostly on the films as that is what most people have seen. But the only thing I would've added is how much The Clone Wars fleshed out Ani and Obi's relationship and Ani's fall. It really changes the viewing experience, especially for ep 3. It becomes so much more tragic and you really can understand why Ani feels betrayed by the order. It is a pretty big investement to watch a 7 season show to flesh out a couple of characters. The same could be said about the fall of the clones, but damn does it just make Revenge of the Sith so much sweeter. Great vid as always.
One thing this movie did spectacularly was show how Anakin and Palpatine's relationship was far closer than anyone would think. Anakin certainly shows that he feels closer to Palpatine than almost anyone else. Palpatine is like a father figure but also like the Devil on his shoulder. Obi-Wan is more like a much older brother and the angel on his shoulder. When Palpatine reveals that he knows that Anakin wants to save Padme, it's not far-fetched to figure out that Palpatine understands this just based on his extremely close relationship with Anakin. We know even from the OT that Jedi and Sith can sense the movements of the Force within the other person. Luke KNOWS there is good in Vader. Vader also KNOWS that Luke is willing to do anything for his friends and even realizes (because he's able to literally read Luke's mind in this situation) that Leia is Luke's sister and his own daughter. So this idea of reading someone's mind is already existent within Star Wars when two people share a very close bond. And like I said earlier, Palpatine was very close to Anakin and clearly knew something was going on that Anakin couldn't share with anyone. His wife is pregnant... probably not hard to figure out even without the Force. Damaged kid, slave mom, died trying to save her, has never got over it, is secretly married... Palpatine could figure it out just based on that and all of their interactions over the years. I understand a lot of the bad plot points in Star Wars, but Palpatine knowing Anakin and Padme were together and that he was afraid she would die is literally not even on my list.
2 things that would have helped the prequels: 1) having Hayden Christianson be in all 3 movies so we could have followed him like we followed mark Hamill, instead of such a big time jump between episode 1&2 where anakin is literally a completely different person 2) having all 3 movies take place during the clone wars so there was a common conflict just like the rebels vs the empire in the original trilogy
Yeah I totally agree. Having episode 1 be episode 2, and having episode 2 take place in the middle of the Clone War would be able to tell the story much better. Even if you did need episode 1, this could be told somewhere through episode 2 (now episode 1).
I like this video but saying order 66 doesn’t work without the music is like saying you wouldn’t be able to run without your legs. The fact is the scene DOES have music and was never intended to be played on mute
You've made a lot of comments asking about how come things always turn out right for Palpatine, but that's literally his Force power - he has a prescient view of the future on a galactic scale, as well as the ability to obscure that view for other Force users. When he says that everything is proceeding as he has foreseen it, he's literally foreseen it.
I guess this omniscient foresight just randomly failed him for no reason at all at the end of episode VI... Also, even if he knew EVERYTHING that happened was going to happen, that wouldn't excuse the fact that what does happen flies in the face of logic all too often. Finally, his plan is extremely convoluted, even if he knew it would all play out in his favour. If you think he was trapped into this particular convoluted plan and couldn't pursue his own one because his foresight told him only one possible future, this just robs him of his scheming and intellectual character, because he's just following a pre-determined script which was out of his control.
@@davehandelman2832If he knows literally everything that will happen he can't be overconfident. The very fact that he is OVERconfident, i.e. more confident than he should be, means he doesn't have perfect foresight.
I’m Gen Z and our generation grew up with these movies, which has definitely fueled the resurgence of prequel popularity especially for this movie in particular (and of course the memes). Personally I would say while I acknowledge that this isn’t objectively the best film in the franchise in terms of plot, structure, dialogue, etc., it is definitely my favorite of the franchise because it’s just so fun to watch, and I think I’m far from the only one with that viewpoint. If I’m ever bored and thinking that I’m gonna watch a Star Wars movie, this is always the first one that comes to mind. Sure it might be sloppy and silly and some of the CGI might not hold up, but hot damn is it a blast every time I watch it. Also cutting the dialogue from the obi wan/padme scene where obi wan opens up about how he knew about anakin and padme and how he knows much anakin loves her and he just wants to help them was George’s worst decision of the prequels
One big gripe: Dying from the stress of sadness/a broken heart is actually a thing. Its called takotsubo cardiomyopathy. Its rare to be fatal, but i can be, and its not total BS like you claim. ALSO, they aren't "choosing to be weak" or "abandoning their kids" when this happens. That's insanely messed up to say when you realize this is real thing that people have died from. (I'm a Cardiac ICU Nurse for reference.)
For a long time, I felt the same way about Anakin’s fall in ROTS, but then I thought about it a little. Mass murder is well within the scope of what he was capable of. In PM, he gleefully blows up a ship that has several Neimoidians on it, but we dismiss it because most of the things that blow up on it seem to be droids, but we clearly see Daultay Dofine blow up while Anakin cheers and says “This is podracing.” Then in AOTC, he totally genocides an entire village of men, women and children, never mind all the Geonosians he cut through in the factory fight. Killing, even mass killing, is definitely something I’d believe he’s capable of. I think what makes it hard for people to buy is that he acts out of anger or desperation in either previous cases, but in ROTS he does it while in a seemingly fully conscious state of mind. He knows what he’s doing is wrong, yet he does it anyway. He had a moment in the previous film where he was conflicted, but now, not so much, at least not through dialogue, and it makes it tough for the audience because this is the first movie where we feel like we’re starting to empathize with his motivations. In the end though, I think there’s enough evidence to suggest that killing means nothing to Anakin and it isn’t a big step for me when he decides to kill Jedi. As you said, he doesn’t really show an attachment to any of them besides Obi-wan, so what’s a room full of children to him?
I like to imagine Anakin wanted to kill the kids every single day and had to resist the urge because of the "rules". But then he turned and *finally* he could follow his heart lol
to build on this, he did not have very much love for the jedi leading up to this moment, only obi wan until later events. for anakin to not have any emotion ties to the way he did palpatine and padme it made a little more sense because of prior actions such as the tusken raiders.
He also was kinda out of options. His wife would die and he would be arrested by the Jedi if he returned. His wife would still die if they ran away together. His wife wouldn’t die if he killed the Jedi and then found a way to stop her from dying. Then he would kill palpatine and rule the galaxy.
People criticize “mass murder” of Anakin so seriously forgetting the beloved gang in OT just blowing millions upon millions of (possibly drafted) Stormtroopers for giggles. Star Wars shows killing. Big deal.
I’m sure by the point in which you’re asking why Anakin wouldn’t just leave the council, it was because at that time he believed he needed to get access to their archives to try to find a way to save Padme, which was also why it was such a big deal to get the master rank.
@@IAmTheGod0fWar I disagree with this. All the lore and the material that's outside the movie should exist only as bonus material to expand on the stuff we see in the movie. It shouldn't exist in order to explain super vital information that the audience should have already got from the movie itself. Not everyone is going to read all the books, and read wookiepedia articles, or watch UA-cam lore videos, or watch all the Star Wars Disney+ shows. Some people are only going to watch the main movies of the franchise. And that's completely fair. And the vital information to understand these movies should be included into the movies themselves. Also, in many cases, the bonus material outside of the movies has been created AFTER the movies were already made. Which kind of means that at least some of the content exists to fill holes that shouldn't have been in the movies in the first place. (Now true, some content has been created prior to the Revenge of the Sith, sure. Like the "Clone Wars" 2003 microseries, or the Clone wars comic book series).
Going off Obi-Wan and Anakin's relationship in the previous film, it could've been written to be so much more of a brotherly bond where they do have their differences, and they still butt heads, but it's clear that they still care about each other. If there was even a small arc where they grew to trust each other instead of talk bad about each other behind his back, the death of their friendship in RotS would've been that much more tragic.
Ahh, but that's the point. . . Anakin and Obi-Wan didn't have a brotherly relationship in AOTC. . . Obi-Wan was the master, having to teach and instruct and inspire his padawan. . . Something he wasn't ready for but did anyway. Once Annie had grown up, Obi-Wan could see him as a brother. . . But Anakin needed a father.
I disagree with the claim that the 15 years ago the Prequels were some of the most hated films to have ever been made. Yes there was tremendous backlash to them but that backlash was nowhere near the scale of the sequels, particularly after the initial release of the Last Jedi and further disdain after the Rise of Skywalker. I would also say that the revival in popularity the Prequels received had a lot to do with authorship (as you said) but also coherent world-building, a cohesive story, consistent canon and continuity, and lots of beloved media outside the films to flesh out the time period. It wasn't just Episode III or the Prequels, it was the numerous videos games, books, comics, and shows that were set in the Prequels with the explicit purpose of fleshing out that time period. The Sequels conversely, don't have any of that. They don't have the same level of authorship, worldbuilding, story, or consistent canon or continuity. And there is little to no tangential media set in the sequels. The little that does exist mostly came out during the Sequels but that era has been entirely abandoned almost immediately after the movie came out. To compare, in between Attack of the Clones and Revenge of the Sith, Lucasfilm made a series or animated shorts, at least 4 video games explicitly set during the Prequels, countless books, and a series of comics that directly tied into the films. What did they make for the Sequels in between the Last Jedi and Rise of Skywalker? The most I can gather is story DLC for a single video game (Battlefront II), an animated show on Disney XD that lasted 2 seasons, a few books, and a comic series. And after the sequels ended? There is essentially nothing compared to the Prequels which got an acclaimed animated series that lasted 6 seasons, numerous more books, video games, and comics. 6 years after the Prequels ended they were still getting content whereas the Sequels had nothing mere 2 years after it ended. Disney did make a lot of content after it bought Star Wars and during the release of the Sequels but, surprisingly, most of it was not focused on the Sequels. Most of it was focused on the OT era and the High Republic Era. They were clearly honing in on nostalgia for the OT which is a criticisms many Sequel detractors levy against the Sequels themselves: prioritizing OT iconography, nostalgia, and stories for money instead of making something new with their films. Regardless, my point in all this is that the Sequels did not build up the same fanbase as the Prequels not just because their movies were different but also because there children who watched the Prequels were much more immersed in those films and world via outside media. Kids today don't talk about Star Wars let along the Sequels that much outside the Mandalorean whereas they could not stop talking about the Prequels when they came out and for the years after. The Sequels were not engrained in the children's media the same way Prequels were nor did they capture the imagination of the kid. For those reasons I strongly suspect that the Sequels will not be viewed as fondly or as nostalgically as the Prequels were.
I mean, people made songs about how George Lucas raped their childhood. Thats a whole new level of fucked up. I do think there should be more content set during the Age of the Resistance tho. Most of that stuff mainly came out around the time of TFa
I acutally really love the Yoda scene when he talks to Aniken, it shows how the Jedi viewed relationships at the time and it's one of their fatal flaws as a religion. The teachings of staying distant and rejecting your feelings for people is what drove Aniken towards the dark side and gives prequal Yoda a flaw but also makes episode 5+ Yoda seem wiser. Yoda realised while in exile and it made him seem all the wiser for it
@LilacSreya I disagree. Yoda most definitely learned alot. He had to. If he didn't he probably wouldn't have trained Luke in the first place LOL the ignorance of the jedi, Yoda included, is extremely important to the story of their downfall. The prophecy was about the chosen one bringing balance to the force. The jedi never even considered that THEY were the ones that needed to be balanced LOL
i'm not gonna lie. I agree with you on pretty much everything. The moment I felt pure rage was when you talked about how Anakin and Obi-Wan flared their sabers without touching while they were fighting on mustafar. They both practiced the same form but opposite each other. its beautiful
Totally agree about watching in chronological order. That's what I did when my daughter wanted to get started on them, she knew Vader was Luke's father but not that Anikin was Vader. That reveal blew her mind.
I'll admit I was in 5th grade when Episode III came out and I had watched all the originals and the first 2 episodes a lot as a kid. Never made the connection that Anakin would become Vader until the moment he chopped off Mace Windu's hand.
@@RossGoneRogue I was in the 5th grade as well, but i was such a nerd and would read the books that came out with the movie and read spoilers sadly lol. I made the connection he turns by the end of clone wars movie. I knew in Revenge he will turn just didn't know how he would.
I've being saying for a while now that Attack of the Clones should've been episode 1 while episodes 2 and 3 should've covered whats in Revenge of the Sith. Specifically fleshing out more of who the separatists are, more of the clone wars itself, and Anakin's turn to the darkside
@@BobPantsSpongeSquare97 A beginning, middle and end of the Clone Wars arc would have been ideal. What we got was the political backdrop (episode 1), the lead up and beginning (episode 2) and the rushed finale (episode 3).
I can understand why some consider this their favorite one. It deals with the most pivotal point in the series. The highly anticipated turn to the darkside and how it unfolds. How it happens and why he does it. It had to have been the most anticipated of all the prequels for that reason. And it was the 1st one that was PG-13 instead of PG for the general dark atmosphere, and higher level of intensity and sci-fi action violence. It makes a statement to remind everyone of exactly who Darth Vader is in case they forgot. Make no mistake, hes not to be taken lightly at all! Dudes as wicked and evil as any top level iconic villain in cinema.
31:26 Grevious is in the movie to foreshadow what Anakin will become, more machine than man. Just as the droid army is inferior to the organic clones, augmenting your body with machinery will weaken your connection to the force, which is why Darth Vader is a slower swordfighter in the OT. 31:31 Like I said, four lightsabers but no connection to the force is no match for a trained jedi. "Don't be too sure of this technological terror you've constucted. The ability to destroy a planet is insufficient next to the power of the force." - Darth Vader : A New Hope 32:10 "They are totally loyal, obeying any order without question." - Lama Su: Attack of the Clones 32:35 Obi-Wan's reaction is actually realistic for his character. Your suggestion that he should start wailing and crying is ludicrous. He first says, "It can't be." which is a sign of disbelief. If his mind is not able to believe that what he's seeing is true, then the last thing he would do is cry about it. When he finally comes to the realization that Anakin has turned, his first reaction is to ask to be sent to fight the Emperor because he's too emotionally attached to him. These are the symptoms of shock. When you're in shock you don't cry. It would ruin the entire scene and possibly the movie if he did. 5:05 - 6:41 100% disagree The story is made far more tragic because the master/father figure Anakin needed (Qui-Gon) died. This clears Obi-Wan from being solely responsible for Anakin's downfall. Obi-Wan is an older brother to Anakin, and this always leads to competition in the teen/early adulthood years. There are several other factors at play, such as Palpatine's assertion as Anakin's Father figure, and Anakin's dangerous habit of forming possessive relationships. 15:22 Yoda tells Anakin to "Let go of everything you fear to lose", which is actually great advice. Anakin doesn't simply love Padme, or Shmi. He wants to possess them. He "can't live without" them. Everyone dies at some point. Yoda isn't telling Anakin to be a cold, distant, emotionless husk. He's telling him to "let go" which is also something Obi-Wan tells Luke above the Death Star. Attempting to alter fate so that someone else will continue to exist not because you care for their wellbeing but because you want them to fulfill your own desires is unhealthy. 34:58 Order 66 was only just carried out, and the Jedi were previously allowed freedom of passage. Changing that all of a sudden would raise suspicion and reveal the Chancellor's plot. Yoda is not a "normal person", he's the Grand Master of the Jedi Order. 37:54 Padme never died of a "broken heart". The movie informs us through Palpatine (who has no reason to lie about this) that Anakin killed her in his anger. He took away her will to live, she didn't "give up". She even says "There's good in him" which is an extremely optimistic and hopeful thing to say. You even point to two other things that in the movie lead to her death: 38:03 Anakin chocking her, and childbirth. But you disregard them because a droid (which have been shown to be routinely unreliable) says she, "has lost the will to live" which purposely doesn't show the full picture; Palpatine's line later on does. I'm seriously beginning to think you rewatched this with a heavy dose of anti-prequel biases. You seem to latch on to small portions of dialogue and complain about them almost in isolation. Like this movie is nothing more than a string of self contained memes. 44:25 - 45:21 This is one of the only parts of the video I agree with. 45:21 I can emphatically state that the sequels will never become as loved as the prequels. The prequels may have had a lot of backlash directed at them, but they still remained extremely relevant for the last 18 years. The sequels are already mostly forgotten.
I feel like it’s safe to assume Palpatine just had an expansive network of spies and informants and wasn’t just some all-knowing all powerful genius. He was the Chancellor and from Naboo so it’s well within reason he could’ve had spies during Anakin and Padme’s wedding or paid someone off to tell him
I will say, the whole "It's Over Anakin, I have the high ground" thing isn't necessarily supposed to be literal... When Obi-Wan is saying that he's basically saying he has the _moral_ high ground. And the only reason Anakin's trick didn't work is because its the same trick Darth Maul used to kill Qui Gon. Obi-Wan knew what he was trying to do.
11:21 Dooku actually wanted to train Anakin. He saw a little bit of himself in Anakin. And wanted to turn him to the dark side. Dooku while he’s Palpatine’s apprentice wanted to continue the legacy of the rule of two. He wanted to kill Palpatine secretly but never got a chance too. Also, Palpatine had Dooku killed because he sensed Dooku’s treachery plus Dooku was a liability because he was too old.
44:44 All they had to do was make Rey to say "I'm Rey, just Rey" at the end. she desperately wanted identity, she wanted family, she wanted solid external definition of who she is. That wish was crushed at the end of TLJ, yet she managed to stand on her own Not falling in to the rage with Kylo. Buuuut the wish somehow returns in to her life again and backfires in the most horrendous and contrived way imaginable. After she killed that wish for the identity, having learned that she does not need anything but her own belief to be who she is, she introduces her self as just Rey Because that doesn't make her insecure anymore. That would've been enough for me to at least 'not' hate sequel
@@tomerorlevi1673The problem is that there never was a vision in the first place. If JJ Abrams or Rian Johnson had made the trilogy by themselves individually the results ( love it or hate it ) would have at least been narratively cohesive.
@@HynesSightEditsit was already narratively cohesive. The only one that betrays the cohesiveness is 9. And scripts aren’t written all at once. I’m sure there was a direction that they wanted to go at the beginning, but of course things change. They fired a director and an actress passed away, forcing script and story changes. The prequels don’t feel cohesive and they were written and directed by the same guy. But, I’m sure, you love those.
@@MogwaiEar The Prequels certainly have issues but they definitely are narratively cohesive. The main plot points are Anakin’s fall to the Darkside and Palpatine’s rise to power and ( while the dialogue can be lacking ) it is very consistent and cohesive in covering both. Rian Johnson threw every plot point JJ abrams set up in the trash, and then JJ did the same thing again in the 3rd film. There is no over all theme, no real character growth ( aside from Kylo ) and by the end no reason to care at all. Despite its flaws the prequels had all of those + great music, world building, and action. ( the sequels had great music tho, because John Williams never misses )
I think an analysis like this shows how great and necessary The Clone Wars series is to the success of this storyline. As mentioned so much of the relationship between Obi Wan and Anakin are lacking fleshing out in these movies and that is solved by the series and there are several other topics to mention that share this. Things like the viewers attachment to characters grows so much through that series that it makes ROTS one of the greatest pieces of cinema I've ever seen. Feeling like I was growing up with anakin, ashoka and even Obi Wan exemplifies the ideals and purpose of the star wars story
I have always taken it as Palpatine planting the doubts, fears and nightmares in Anakin. Using the force to manipulate him subtly and then reaching out everytime. As Padme is a senator and Palpatine is the chancellor (both from the same planet) it makes total sense that he has sensed padme and anakins relationship. Basically all the jedi have turned a blind eye to their relationship because they need Anakin to win the war. Palps knew what troubled Anakin, because those 3 years of the Clone Wars it wouldnt be too hard to spot or manipulate. And regarding Padme's death, its implied Palpatine is using her to keep Anakin alive resulting in her death just as Anakin "returns" to life after the mask is put on
31:40 - quality over quantity, my friend. Obi-Wan is Jedi Master and Master of the defense form of lightsaber dueling. Grievous, even though he's a skilled warrior, with his 4 lightsabers isn't Jedi, he's not Force sensitive (yes, Force plays a great part in LS dueling), which is why Obi-Wan is superior to him in this aspect. Put it this way, you have a guy, who dedicated his whole life to the craft and the amateur, who thinks he's just as skilled as that guy... Who wins here? 36:40 - it's not about that. The whole point of that scene was showing how Anakin's hubris and overconfidence in his power got better of him. He clearly knew about the way Obi Wan had defeated Darth Maul and he wanted to recreate the exact same moment here. He was confident that he could do that, after all he was the Chosen One enhanced with the Dark Side. But Obi Wan understood Anakin's intentions, which is why he said: "Don't try it". The point of that scene was to show us how Siths, despite being so calculated and prepared, still could get too cocky and their hubris will get better of them. Just like in the real world. 37:01 - it's more complicated than you think. Put it this way, you are Anakin, the Chosen One by the Force to bring Balance and to destroy the Siths. The Jedi council actually needed to help you in your development, encourage you and teach you the ways of the Force. Yet, all they did was not respecting him and his feelings, his intuition and his decisions. The reason he wanted to become a Jedi Master was to get more information about how he could've saved Padme, but he was denied. The Jedi Council basically didn't trust him and didn't want him to be the Chosen One from the beginning. Even Obi-Wan, his own master, couldn't make his own decision about where his allegiance stayed. And at the same time, you have Palpatine by your side, the man encourages you, helps you, mentors you. Palpatine was a master manipulator for sure, but Jedi Council wasn't innocent either.
Anakin's turn to the dark side and going off on that was explained because Palpatine was -supposedly- hanging Padme's life over the decision. He had to go and pull it off or he implied he wouldn't have given himself to the darkness and thus couldn't assist him in keeping her alive. It was meant to show that he valued her over everything, his soul and morality included.
The problem is that’s not really conveyed well. There should have been a much bigger pull in both directions. All we get is the (very good) window scene to show his inner debate. I so badly wish there was an extra 15 minutes of the movie where after anakin helps kill windu, he leaves and wrestles with what he’s done and eventually comes to a decision to go back to Palpatine. Something along the lines of that could have gone a long way imo
It's also hard not to have as much fun as Ian McDiarmid when he's hamming it up as Sidious in this film. His Opera scene and fight with Yoda elevate both events. Especially forgiving some of the silliness of the later.
32:35 Obi-Wan's reaction is actually realistic for his character. Your suggestion that he should start wailing and crying is ludicrous. He first says, "It can't be." which is a sign of disbelief. If his mind is not able to believe that what he's seeing is true, then the last thing he would do is cry about it. When he finally comes to the realization that Anakin has turned, his first reaction is to ask to be sent to fight the Emperor because he's too emotionally attached to him. These are the symptoms of shock. When you're in shock you don't cry. It would ruin the entire scene and possibly the movie if he did.
i feel like with the 'anakin never showed he wanted to be a master' i always thought that its more everyone on the council is a master but they're specifically not making him one, therefore its an insult because being a master is meant to go handed in hand with being on the council.
If theres one theme i noticed: its trust. Anakin gets hooked and yanked from all directions from palpatine, the council, padme, and the dark side had clouded him so much hes nothing but a beast. Wanting to overthrow Palpatine though he wanted to keep him to save her. Its a tragic tale that still holds up as the best of the 3 prequels.
I am a Texan who loves Texas history. When discussing the beginning portion of the film you critique the separatists plan with Palpetine. Texas itself was a separatist movement among citizens of the state of Texas and Coahuila. After losing some crucial battles the Texans were able to launch a surprise attack and capture the Mexican dictatorial president Santa Anna. Using him as a bargaining piece, Texas ended the war gaining independence. This is very similar to Palpetine getting captured, so to me it seems reasonable and realistic. Like you said.
Seeing Anakin's down fall in Revenge of the Sith literally saved my life. A young 25 year old me needed to see it and realized I needed to change. It changed me forever and I am only making this post because of the impact of Revenge of the Sith on me.
this is a good breakdown of ep 3, and hammers home on some of the really egregious plot breaking issues the script has. i think one of the films biggest issues (other than anakin as a protagonist) is how it can feel like its going through the motions and not lending much weight to the decisions of its characters. like, the reveal that palpatine is a sith lord obviously isnt a shock to the audience, but it also doesnt really shock the characters either. id highly recommend hal9000's fan edit of revenge of the sith called "labyrinth of evil." it solves so many of the movies problems and is genuinely a great time for a star wars fan
One thing about the prequel triliogy that i love is the fact that they feel like star wars . The sequels sure can be considered better movies in some regards however they don't feel like Star wars at least to me.
While I do think this movie is just ok, there is one aspect about it that makes me respect it more than the average SW film, and that’s its themes of loss and how attachments can lead you down a dark path. I tend to give high praise for films like TESB, TLJ, or R1 and it’s because they all bring something new and compelling about them that makes them much more unique and interesting and engaging. And while I have issues with ROTS’s execution, I think it’s interesting how it tries to tell a story about a man who was trying to do the right thing for his wife ends up being manipulated through those emotions and feelings into doing things he doesn’t want to because he doesn’t handle the emotions of losing a loved one well. So you know what? Even if there’s still a lot that doesn’t work for me, kudos to Lucas for trying to tell a more thought provoking story. It may not have worked, but he did try.
I liked anakin and obi wan in AOTC, huge sibling energy. Also throughout the movies proper we really aren’t given what Dooku does and doesn’t know. He only ever meets with palpatine in his sith get up and all he really confirms knowing is that there is a powerful Sith Lord with significant influence in the senate. He may not actually know palpatine is the chancellor. Hell he might even think he’s the one in charge playing some corrupt republic fool to his own ends
I disagree with the first point, I think Anakin and Obi-Wan act like they really hate each other and can't stand each other. I much prefer their bond in The Clone Wars, I even like how The Phantom Menace handled the dynamic, Obi-Wan was worried but he never showed it to Anakin. As for Dooku, I think that's why I dislike Dooku as a villain, we know he left the Jedi due to corruption but we don't know if he actually cares about The Separatist Movement or if he just wants to rule with Palpatine. If it's the first, Dooku would despise Vice Roy Gunray, who is shown to possibly be the most corrupt and coward politician in Star Wars, who engages in illicit activities like murder, etc. If it's the latter, then it makes even less sense, he's actively joining the person corrupting both the Jedi and The Republic, if he feels betrayed by the Jedi's ideals, he's also betraying so he'll become all-powerful. I know the excuse is that the Dark Side Corrupts but in AOTC, Dooku is shown to be the more rational Sith, someone who regret cutting off a Padawan's hand.
This movie was always my favorite growing up. Nowadays its still in my top 5, alongside the OT and Rogue One. I love the themes(and memes) of loss and how dark it was willing to get, the battles in this movie are visually stunning; both massive battles, and lightsaber duels. While Palpatine's plan has always been ridiculous, I find him so damn fun to watch, and Ian McDermott looks like he's genuinely having so much fun. The OST, in my opinion is the best in all of Star Wars, like, not even close. Not everything is perfect, but I feel like a lot of aspects of this movie in particular have aged remarkably well, especially after a lot of other material such as Clone Wars fixed up some aspects of the story. But that said, I do think there's a reason why people say things like 'the Clone Wars fixed the prequels'. It's kind of for that reason I hope a show gets made for the sequels, even if I only really enjoy TFA, find TLJ a mixed bag, and Rise of Skywalker... Exists. Perhaps a show set between TLJ and TRoS to fix some issues there with some of the characters and to flesh out that time period a bit more, or maybe a Jedi Order show with Luke and Ben that could better justify for people, like myself, Luke's behavior in TLJ(I actually think the arc itself is fine, but I absolutely HATE Luke nearly killing Ben in his sleep, especially after how his journey closed out in the OT). I want people to be able to appreciate that era as people have now done for the prequels, and I want people who love those films to feel more validated in their enjoyment of them, perhaps winning people over to them that otherwise felt disappointed by them. However, that all depends on if the right people can make it work, and if Disney/Lucasfilm will be willing to commit to improving and/or (heh, Andor) fleshing out that era and those movies. Once again, another great video, and the honest opinions are always appreciated!
I agree. There's so much I want to know about what happened in the lead up the the sequel movies - and I know there's books and comics that help bridge the gap and explain things but I think a show would be better. I definitely think down the track there will be more love for the sequel trilogy like there is now for the prequels. I remember vividly the absolute hate of the prequels when the came out and how much everyone shat on them. Just like people are doing now for sequels. I think both trilogies are HEAVILY flawed, but both also have great moments and that special Star Wars magic. In time, I think people will remember the sequels more fondly just like they do with the prequels and a supporting show like The Clone Wars for the sequels would help a lot!
Revenge of the sith is i think the only prequel to actually come out during my lifetime, its my favorite star wars movie, I love the space battle, and lightsaber fights, what a fun movie
Man... You made me look at these movies a lot more critically now. Especially Revenge, cause everything you said was absolutely right. It makes me question me own creative writing and how I can make it better and not be predictable.
Anakin did want to be a master. In Attack of the clones he mentions a few times how he believes he’s ready for the trials and that he thinks he’s being held back by Obi-wan.
You’re misremembering in attack of the clones he was talking about that he thought he was ready to become a Jedi knights. That’s what the trials are for. He was not a Knight in the second movie.
About Padmé dying. I would have loved to learn that her death was only for hiding for Anakin/Vader. She actually lived in exile on Alderaan or Dantooine. Could have been a nice reveal for Luke and Leia after return of the Jedi.
5:05 - 6:41 100% disagree The story is made far more tragic because the master/father figure Anakin needed (Qui-Gon) died. This clears Obi-Wan from being solely responsible for Anakin's downfall. Obi-Wan is an older brother to Anakin, and this always leads to competition in the teen/early adulthood years. There are several other factors at play, such as Palpatine's assertion as Anakin's Father figure, and Anakin's dangerous habit of forming possessive relationships.
I agree with your point on Padme’s death, but I do take issue with when you talk about mothers with healthy alive children should be happy. Postpartum depression is very real. This isn’t really connected to the movie, and obviously you didn’t say it to be unkind, I just wanted to put that out there
36:19 We don't have to admit it's goofy, because we think it's cool. Why can't you just admit that you think it's dumb and leave it at that? I don't have to think it's goofy just to make you feel better, and I won't.
I really loved the video: However the conclusion you drew regarding padme cannot stand as it is. 1st: a not so fun fact: There is a heart condition called Tako Tsubo cardiomyopathy or "Broken Heart Syndrome" where the heart muscle does not work sufficiently enough any more. The only cause is extreme emotional distress. However you can detect it in medical examinations and you can treat it (ofc. not always successfully). Secondly: Your chain of reasoning was: "Padme abandoned her children. This is why she is weak." - and you spoke to many mothers... But there are cases of mothers commiting suicide right after childbirth or even killing their own children. This is often a result of postpartum depression or other underlying psychological disorders. This does not mean that the person is weak. Everybody can succumb to psychological disorders. This just means that the person needs help. I 100% agree that they should have handled it better in the film (on many many levels) but your statement is just not fit for announcing it to your audience in this tonality. (also... It didnt add anything important to the video, so why put it in.) As I said I otherwise thoroughly enjoyed this video as I enjoyed the other videos of you that I have watched. Keep up the good work and entertainment. :D
On the topic of the separatist fleet not leaving there are two main reasons for it not doing so. 1. It was part of palpatine’s plan for obi-wan and Anakin to try and rescue him. While we don’t know EXACTLY what he though the outcome would be, he knew he could use it to his advantage. So he didn’t want the fleet to leave after he was taken on board. 2. Despite what the sequels would have you believe, ships can’t just jump to light speed whenever and where ever they want. It has to be a calculated, unobstructed path for them to jump to. Hyperspace lanes exist because they are pre-charted areas that are proven to be safe. With a battle THAT massive going on the republic would have made its #1 priority be the safe rescue of their leader. They would have used ships to blockade separatist ships from leaving orbit. Yeah a few smaller ships could probably slip past, but not a capital ship and it’s protection frigates. Once the chancellor was brought down to Corrusant, the republic would have repositioned in a defensive stance around the planet to protect it and ensure the separatists couldn’t invade the planet again. Allowing the separatist fleet to retreat. Also none of that has to do with the novelization, that comes from things said in the movies as well as basic battle tactics. And even though yes some people should have been suspicious…they were. The Jedi are suspicious of palatine the entire movie, they just didn’t know it was to the extreme it was
Palpatine wanted dooku to kill kenobi, making anakin enraged and then kill dooku in return. Anakin would have no one to lean on, except Padme. Which sidious could then use as an advantage.
Small note: there absolutely are mothers who lose one child which causes such severe depression that they stop taking care of the remaining child(ren).
I have met plenty of people who honestly do not know that Anakin is Luke's father even if they're familiar with the famous, "I am your father" quote. That said, whenever a newcomer asks what order should I watch the films, I give a bit of a different answer. Instead of watching the originals then the prequels, or watching in sequential order, my usual recommendation is to start with episodes 4 & 5 then after learning Vader is Luke's father, watch all 3 prequels to learn who vader was before he became the sith we all know and love. After that, watch episode 6. This gives so much more suspense because now, you have context of the man Luke is trying to save and honestly makes all the tension in episode 6 all the more palpable.
Just a quick message since I have discovered your channel a few days ago. I absolutely love how you go through analysing those movies or series in a very unique way. It's also subjective and free of agenda. I'm not sure I'm clear with what I want to say, it's just that you give new point of view, you don't follow the usual lines of critiques in famous movies and you always provide other solutions. You don't just criticize, you also suggest improvements that, in my opinion, are always well stated. So you win a new follower and I'm eager to view what else there is on your channel. Thanks !
The problem isn’t that Palpatine’s plan makes no sense, it’s that you don’t get it cause Sequel fans don’t look deeper into things like this. When looking into his plan, it’s actually very clever especially since he controls both sides of the war. Dooku also isn’t the kind of Sith to just kill Palpatine where he sat, he only really wanted what was best for the Jedi. I wish they expanded on this a bit more in the Prequels, but at least things like this could still be inferred with expanded material. It’s also better than the Disney Trilogy where you have to read like 100+ books just to get what’s going on, and even then, that trash fire of a trilogy still makes no sense.
@@thegoldman25 Bruh, don’t even try, people like you say the same thing when we Disney Trilogy (or Sequel Trilogy since you didn’t get it last time) haters bring up how the Last Jedi makes no sense, and they bring up the “We don’t get the Last Jedi LOL”, when in actuality, The Disney Trilogy doesn’t get Star Wars at all. So if your planing on saying that’s a straw man argument on my side for why the Prequels are good, you’re a hypocrite.😡 If you’re able to use the “We don’t get it” argument, we can too Fool’s Gold.
@@PizzaMan879my thoughts too. And nearby the end he calls us ignorant, when actually plenty of us went exactly through that, defending the Prequels since the very first moment. Receiving all sorts of insults and whatnot. I feel annoyed I even came across this channel. And no, all the 3 Prequel filma are great. I honestly like how that story flows way better than the OT.
if you’re wondering why anakin didn’t leave the Jedi, this is answered in the movies. 1. he promised his mother and padme that he will be a great/powerful jedi. 2. “ALL WHO GAIN POWER ARE AFRAID OF LOSING IT……. EVEN THE JEDI” a quote from palpatine himself when speaking to ANAKIN
One of the biggest issues with the Disney Trilogy (No, I’m not calling it the Sequel Trilogy) is the lack of context between what happens between the OT and the DT. Really think about it, The prequels didn’t really have this problem due to where it left off. The audience is easily capable of piecing things together, and if not, things like The Force Unleashed or Andor (Depending on Continuity) expand on things such as the rise of the Rebellion. The Sequels don’t really have this luxury due to the OT not setting anything up for afterwards. I don’t George for this due to him not really fully planning out a ST himself and opting for ending everything in ROTJ. The Sequels don’t go in-depth with things such as the rise of the first order or Luke’s/Jake’s fall from Grace. I mean, it kinda did, but it doesn’t give us context into why he would do something so out of character. We needed context and world building in the Trilogy itself. The only real stuff that even closely touches on this is the comics, but let’s be honest, who reads nowadays. The Show’s aren’t helping either, given they focus on characters besides the OT cast or DT cast and what brought them their. Most of the time, they feel like they’re ignoring them, making them feel more pointless than they already are.
Your rant about Palpatine not being killed or traded as hostage does not make sense to be honest. The separatists captured him literally minutes before the start of the movie. They're not going to kill him, because obviously they would want to use him as a hostage - that's why he's on the ship, and not dead in his office. They can't be trading Palpatine for the right to secession, because they literally just captured him, and still haven't left the planet, and there's a battle going on. They could trade him later, when they left, maybe even after the secession papers were signed. They're still there, because there's a battle going on. There's a massive separatist fleet right over the Capital planet of the republic. What are they going to do? Just run away (and leave all the other ships and troops there) or maybe they'd rather stay and fight - because they can fucking win the war by capturing the capital. I never thought about any of this before, and wrote this comment in like a minute
The thing about his turn to the dark side that too many people seem to overlook is that the dark side of the force is a active ethereal power with somewhat a will of its own once given into so that's why he could make such a dramatic turn because he didn't just be like ok now I'm a bad guy he literally pledged himself to a Sith Lord as his master and became consumed and overwhelmed by the dark side. That is the point of the name change because he literally became a different person through a dark side rebirth.
24:28 To be fair, Darth Vader did the very same thing in ROTJ. He tells Luke "Your thoughts betray you." Its been established that those with strong feelings towards others, particularly concern and worry, make their feelings clear in the force due to a lack of control. And on top of it, Luke and Anakin wear their hearts on their sleeves, despite their best efforts. Their feelings are basically exposed nerves in the force. Even if the specific people they worry for arent clear, its fair to assume that any non-force user would be able to read their expressions and see that theyre troubled.
I watch RotS at least once a year and it’s almost timeless imo. It’s one of those few movies that feels genuine, especially when you compare to modern star wars movies. We’ve all felt like the concluding movie in a series has felt a little lackluster but i think ep 3 is one of those that makes you still feel the stakes and the emotion no matter how many times you watch it. No matter how many times i watch it, i still think that maybe this time, anakin will arrest palpatine, maybe he’ll just stay at the temple, maybe he’ll listen mace windu during the fight with sidious
Fortunately Anakin does what he does, otherwise we wouldn't have the original trilogy. ROTS is one of those movies of which you know that it will end badly even before you watch it. Like you know that in Titanic the ship will hit the iceberg and sink you know that the Jedi will be nearly wiped out and Anakin will inevitably turn to the dark side at the end of ROTS. For me this makes ROTS even better because it doesn't have to rely on some tension and uncertainty about the things to happen.
Dude I agree completely about the scene where Padmé and Anakin stare out in reflection. The music does wonders to convey the emotion, building upon the performances of the actors. “Padme’s Ruminations” has grown to be maybe my favorite track from this film in recent years.
What you said at the end defines my view of the prequels. I liked them especially the third movie (I love) because of the vision and story George wanted to tell. I look past the mistakes because I love the vision while understanding it is rough at parts. Like great tasting cookies that needed to be left in the oven a little longer.
the thing about ankin wanting to be a master. it already impled by the first movie vader says obiawan, we meet again at last. when we last met i was the learner now I AM the MASTER"
20:30 the best part of the Anakin Padme scene is when you realize the two different perspectives of what’s happening here:
Anakin is conflicted about whether or not to interfere with Palpatine’s arrest, and he essentially knows he has to pick a side here with no going back. Anakin obviously has the force so as he’s wrestling with the decision and his mind goes to padme, he looks across Coruscant and can literally see her standing there looking back at him. She’s unaware he can see her in this moment, but is genuinely just worried about Anakin and looks over at the Jedi temple. In Anakin’s biggest moment of internal conflict, he gazes over and sees his oblivious wife in their home, pregnant with his child (only one as far as he knows), and the only person alive who’s ever truly cared about him and knows him better than anyone… and she happens to be staring back in that moment because she’s worried about him. From his pov, what else could he do but save Palpatine and ensure she doesn’t die like his mother or Qui Gon?
Idk about you but Anakin’s decisions in second half of the movie seem to make a lot of sense to me and this scene is the number one reason for that. Despite all the terrible things he does, I remember this moment and honestly feel bad for Anakin.
Was that in the novelization?
As addressed in the video, it’s just not in the movie.
Lucas has nothing to do with those novelizations, and anything he didn’t put on the screen. He doesn’t read them, or even reference them, at all.
It’s someone else’s job, and it’s all just more merchandising to him.
In the movie, Anakin doesn’t see Padme in that moment. Sidious is still doing his Palpatine voice, and acting like Mace is there to assassinate him, for the Jedi to take over, as he says to Anakin.
Anakin simply says “I need him” and “It’s not the Jedi way” after Palpatine is the one who told him to kill Dooku.
Sorry, Lucas is a terrible writer of dialogue, and he was a piss poor director on these movies.
The entire fight is just bad.
Sidious even tries to surprise Mace, with his lightning, and then just acts like a helpless old man, as if Anakin didn’t remember the moment prior.
Lucas wasted so much on scenes and dialogue that isn’t needed, while making scenes like that one, seem like it’s three different ideas, and versions of the scene, that were cut into one.
@@CorbCorbinit is absolutely in the movie. While it isnt explicitly said in those terms, all of that is there. It is shown, not told. We know he can sense things in the force. We know he is struggling with his decision.
I don't remember that being in the novelization, but that definitely doesn't mean it wasn't.
But you can definitely get that from what's going on on screen alone. He is looking out knowingly, Natalie plays Padme as thinking of Anakin, but unaware that something big is about to happen. Either seeing her through the force, or knowing she's just back there alone, it doesn't really matter, we can see the thought process in his mind plainly. He thinks he can absolutely predict when people will die that he loves. He is convinced she will die. He also knows Palpatine is evil, but he also knows he has great knowledge of powers the jedi would never delve into because of their dogmatism.
He literally says to Mace, "I need him." Anakin didn't go into Palpatine's office looking to kill Mace or betray the Jedi. He was disobeying Mace and the essentially throwing away his position of trust in the Jedi (and yes, he has said multiple times in the trilogy how he wants to be the best jedi and most powerful jedi, so not getting master is really important payoff, explicitly.)
When he gets there and sees Mace just summarily executing Palpatine (Anakin does not know Palpatine attacked first,) that is where he truly makes his decision. He needs Palpatine, even if there is a small chance he isn't lying about being able to save people from dying.
He is essentially making a deal with the devil, and he knows it. Best case. Then he has to kill one of his mentors just to even make the deal with the devil.
Then, once he's kneeling, you can also clearly see from the ACTING, that Anakin is reluctant and regretful, but he has made his decision and is committed to it to get what he NEEDS to get. He doesn't like it. He hasn't even really turned. He just HAS TO.
And Palpatine convinces Anakin that all Jedi have basically become assassins and insurrectionists, and must be wiped out. He's mixing Anakin's patriotism with having to obey the new master to get what he needs.
And from then on, into the original trilogy, he's just operating on a sunk cost fallacy, where he's come this far, and to turn back to good now would just be wasting how far he'd come now. If he doesn't kill the younglings, then Mace died for nothing, then Padme will die, he's already gone too far, going a little farther won't damn him any more, he has started cutting off his trapped arm, he just needs to cut all the way through, so to speak .... and whatever you call it when you just say screw it I did some evil stuff, so I'm really gonna go hard into the evil so I KNOW I'm irredeemable and don't ever have to struggle with being good, and basically want to kill the good in myself so I don't feel this guilt.
Lucas is a great director if any of these decisions are purposeful, and obviously they are, as most of that is accomplished with no or minimal dialogue, which is perfectly serviceable, to great prose, and masterful performances.
But yeah, just repeat the meme that George is a shit director, that'll get the trained seals clapping.
Only?!?!? What about obi lol
He knew qui qon For 2 days at Max 😅
He doesn't "literally" see her 😂😂😂
I have no shame in saying Revenge of the Sith is my favorite movie of all time. Yes, I've seen a lot of movies. I grew up on movies and went to film school to watch all the greats, the classics, the Oscar winners, the Citizen Kanes, the obscure French cinema, all of it. There are a lot of heavy, layered, emotional triumphs of the medium I absolutely love that far supersede this movie in quality. But none of them replicate the feeling I get watching this for the past 18 years. These films inspired me to create.
I know you've addressed a lot of the plot holes in this movie that should prevent it from being held in such a high regard, so I'll offer some different reasons for liking this as much as I do. This is arguably Star Wars at its most Shakespearean. This entire saga is a space opera with mystical fantasy, but Episode III plays itself up in these qualities so much that it has the most bombastic, dramatic, tragic moments of the films, punctuated by John Williams with what is undeniably his most emotional score of the saga. The campiness of it only emphasizes further that this story is meant to be a theatre play brought to the screen. And there's value in stories told that way.
If you want to go down the political route with this (shocker, the Vietnam/fascism allegory that is Star Wars since 1977 is political), these were pretty poignant films to come out at the height of the Bush Administration and post-9/11 paranoia. The Phantom Menace falls less into this for obvious reasons, but if you know cinema, you know 9/11 was a fundamental turning point in pop culture in general (See Lindsay Ellis' video on War of the Worlds vs Independence Day). I don't think this was an exception. Lucas has been very vocal about his opinions on the War on Terror, and making films about the undermining of democracy in the name of security, and warping public perception about a war and its justification is no coincidence. Anakin even paraphrases Bush's speeches to Congress ("If you're not with me, then you're my enemy"). Whether you think the politics of the prequels are boring or not, they are integral to how the story of the prequels were told. If anything, Episodes II and III are fascinating to analyze like many films in the 2000s for the real-world context they were created in.
I could write pages about this, which shows how long I've loved this film and how it never fails to fascinate me and evoke emotion out of me. There's always something new to take away no matter how many times I watch it. If that makes my taste trash, then it's trash, but I wouldn't dare to favor any other movie above all else like I do with this one.
i always thought that the WW2 fascination with the originals IE the ww2 dog fights, the dictatorship etc.
the prequels was essentailly very similar in many ways to the rise of hitler
I remember when I first saw it in theaters in 2005. It left me with a strong mix of emotions for several days
i think star wars both original and prequels, was more along the lines of Hitler takin gover the world and being a dictator. the original s had dog fights designed after ww2 dogfights stromtorrper swere literally what they called the nazi ssoldiers and in star wars. palapatine was elected as Suprmeme chancellor like hitler, same exact title. an dlik ehitler he took things over slowly bit by bit creating and manupilait things and also gainign power.
There is no fascism in Star Wars.
I wouldn’t say favourite movie but it’s by far my favourite Star Wars
You described exactly why I love the prequels so much - I watched the movies in chronological order first time and didn't know a thing about Star Wars. This way of watching the saga not only makes the prequels more interesting, emotional and not predictable, but also elevates the emotional impact of OT films on another level. Can't even describe my emotions when Vader saves Luke and turns light side at the end
As a prequel lover I respect and admit to all these flaws, but I will NOT tolerate Grievous slander 😂
heh heh heh heh! **cough**
A grievous mistake on your part. 😄 I'm sorry. I've been just ridiculous with dad jokes for a few weeks straight now. I think I need to go sit in the corner and think about what I did. 😄
@@section8usmc53 that’s good 😂
I appreciate your honesty 😂
I've taken a griiiieeevous woooouuuund!
I think we can agree Ian McDiarmid is the MVP of this movie… he is flawless
His acting is certainly superb
i agree. in fact, i was going to say that the dolman25 talked about the best acting totally forgot to say Ian was by far the best PERIOD. the dude is insane. in all three prequels and ROTJ
facts
Sheev Palpatine/Darth Sidious had decades to plan in order to attain his goal. #unlimitedpower
@@droman608don't tell Goldman that!😂 I feel like he would rather remain in his ignorance that actually pay attention to these movies
I fully understand the imperfections of this film, but some of those which you choose to highlight are really not serious. Complaining that Anakin's desire to be a master and his relationship with Obi-Wan weren't obvious enough are really weird critiques. Same goes for Palpatine knowing they'd ask Anakin to spy on him, or sense his feelings for Padme. These are not shocking things for someone so close to know, or a massive leap for force users to work out. Palpatine has trained for so long he's literally an old man, when compared to Rey who's had a good couple hours across her trilogy. Anakin's issue never was that it was his dream to be a master, it just felt insulting when he wasn't made one along with appointment to the council. And I also can appreciate a bit of nuance in Anakin and Obi-Wan's relationship, it fact I think that is what sells it so well in my opinion. Saying Obi-Wan wasn't sad enough - again, what? It's perfectly in character for him to be in denial and to hide away his emotions, he literally represents the emotion-hiding, duty-bound, flawed part of the Jedi. I also think you seriously misunderstand Dooku's motivations, as well as what it's like to be groomed. It's important when you criticise these elements to do so primarily from the perspectives of those involved, not the all-seeing perspective of the viewer. From each of there perspectives, you might find their actions, or things they know about people, make a lot more sense.
Also, yes all hail John Williams, but also, turning off the sound in literally any emotional scene will make it far less emotional, this is literally rule 1 of film making. I don't even know how you could consider this a legitimate criticism of this film.
Whether you consider it a masterpiece or not, none of these things prevent it, nor does the fact that you perceive a fight scene to be a little bit goofy. For many people the charm is what is so enjoyable.
And no, authorship is not the sole reason the sequels are worse films that the prequels. For a start, the sequels fell short in most ways from an objective film making perspective whereas the prequels did not. It's also not realistic to say the prequels were ever as hated as the sequels are now - there was no serious hope or even desire by the majority of the fanbase that they would be fully retconned. I seriously think some research into the concept of nuance would benefit your reviewing abilities across the board.
I seriously think some research into what people were saying 15 years ago would benefit your opinions on Star Wars. I will not accept this revisionist history that people didn’t want the prequels removed from canon. Give me a break, those were some of the most hated movies of the past 30 years
@@thegoldman25Nah it's just not the case. I was part of the crowd that thought they were bad, but no one I knew wanted them removed from canon. Aside from a couple little bits and bobs like midichlorians, the problem most people had wasn't the existence of the story, it was dumb things like too much CGI. This isn't the same with the sequels. Everyone I know personally with any Star Wars familiarity would rather they didn't exist, and the broader online opinion is similar. I've lived through both and they are just not the same. And I can tell you the main reason: the sequels had no care or respect for the characters or the universe. And I'll admit it's harder to create a story following beloved characters than it is to add backstory, they had it harder, but what they made is still worse. I can tell you with 100% certainty that RoS is infinitely more hated than RotS ever was.
You miss Qui-gons entire point of existence as a character. He is the master Anakin needed. The master he should have had. While Obi-wan is the master he got… changing that would be a massive issue for the theme of the story, the duel of fates, Obi-wans failings, etc…
I did not miss the point, I totally understand that is the direction Lucas took this story and I do not like it. I think Qui-Gon being "the master Anakin needed" was a dumb story decision
@@thegoldman25 but it is precisely what shows that with the proper guidance, and less dogmatic teachings, Anakin could have been ok. It also makes Mauls presence in the first film better, as him killing Qui-gon is what seals Anakins fate.
Also, you go onto to say the separatists should have ransomed the chancellor after capturing him… why do you assume that wasn’t their express intention? The rescue effort was being launched as the capture was taking place. They didn’t have a chance to do anything with him yet.
@@thegoldman25you have missed so many points in this movie and I'm only 27 mins into the video(which is well put together well done) I had to see I wasn't the only one who disagrees with you, you need to rewatch the movies in my opinion
@@thegoldman25totally disagree...i think that is the key of why the prequels are brilliant, but i respect your opinion obviusly😊
@@thegoldman25but that’s literally the point. If Qui-Gon had been Anakin’s master this would have probably never happened. That’s what makes the situation kinda tragic.
I know a lot of people are tired of seeing Palpatine pop up all the time lately, but that's why I love him in Bad Batch. His ability to completely turn the situation with kamino in his favor is a master class in dirty politics. It would have been nice to see some of that in the prequels
True true
Yeah there's nothing wrong with seeing palpatine appear over and over again if it's done right. It only becomes a problem if he's being oversaturated in every star wars project or he gets brought back with no valid explanation as to why he's back
Yeah bad batch made sense because he literally just reformed the galaxy he’s not going full hermit yet
Rebels sort of made sense as he was trying to manipulate a force sensitive ezra but even then that’s a bit annoying
Rise of skywalker can go to hell
“all 3 Lord Of The Rings films came out before Revenge Of The Sith & they all look amazing” - no truer words spoken
LOTR are just the pinnacle of everything
NEW ZEALAND represent!!!
@@tahuaroa indeed! The two greatest things that came from New Zealand are Shane Van Gisbergen and the Lord of the Rings trilogy!
@@thegoldman25 Lotr trilogy feels epic because for early 2000s that ain’t bad at all
@@IsaacV24 ahem… & the All Blacks.
I recently rewatched all the movies and shows in chronological order and i agree, it felt very rewarding to have so much more buildup to the events of the original trilogy
Thank you for sharing this, I should show others your comment
What buildup?
Think about how you fell in love with the series though...
Would you have the same love for it if starting with episode 1? Would you even be able to keep watching it through to 4?
I'm not sure, as I've had many times trying to show people movies that are amazing but if they missed the setup of the story, they didn't get the proper payoff or something like that.
Yeah, the chronological order is better if the person knows they enjoy this type of story and will commit to watching it all, but that's a lot to ask for many people :/
I'm loving these "Years Later" videos. I think sometimes it's good to revisit certain movies that we thought was or wasn't good when we first saw them years ago.
Why talk about a new movie when you can look at older ones!
@@thegoldman25 I can't wait for your opinions on the last jedi to evolve 3 or 4 years from now.
@@topaznnani4003what so they actually make sense instead of just saying, “Every criticism of TLJ is wrong because women character good” basically?
When it comes to Anakin's anger towards not becoming master, I think it more so comes from how Anakin is never truly recognized as a jedi by the council, let alone a master. This is first seen in the Phantom Menace where Qui-Gon had to fight to make Anakin his apprentice, because the council didn't want him, nor did they believe he was the chosen one. I wish Attack of the Clones elaborated on this more, but this is how I always interpreted Anakin's frustration in Revenge of the Sith, even in the absence of The Clone Wars; frustrated with the fact that the jedi council basically doesn't want Anakin around. I will agree Anakin's sudden drive for mass murder is a little too much without context from The Clone Wars.
When episode 3 was written Ahsoka didn't exist and I'm pretty sure to get promoted to master you need to have trained at least one Padawan - so Anakin should know he's not even qualified for that job
And Ahsoka didn't complete her training so even with the clone wars cartoon he still isn't qualified
@@jamesarnold7253While this is absolutely true in terms of how to become a Master, I think that it's only ONE of the ways. Similar to how becoming a Knight requires you to pass the trials, however destroying a Sith Lord also allows you to leapfrog to the rank of Knight without doing so.
That being said, I don't know what Anakin believes HE had done to leapfrog to Master without training a Padawan to knighthood, so there's that.😅
AOTC showed plenty of that through Obi Wan who treated Anakin like trash. And you’re simply forgetting the vast ideological differences, how he was barred from his whole desire to be a living being with emotions and love and mother. The cliche of Jedi being mean girls to him isn’t necessary.
Even the not making him a Master was NOT about his personal dissatisfaction that they don’t want him around, it was a symbol of the CORRUPTION of the Jedi who refused to promote a worthy candidate like him and instead prefer nepotism putting sycophants like the other Jedi.
I mean plus within the organization being a master on the council has a prestige that comes with it being a selective group. Imagine getting the honor to be at the head of the organization but not getting any of the titles or laurels that come with it. It’s insulting.
@@bridgetsleepy7841100%. Like it doesn’t make sense. Imagine being a director of nursing but no authority ? Imagine being head of department of business but with no powers? When you put it this way every single person would be irate! Especially how this looks to your fellow colleagues.
One thing i think is worth pointinf out is that Anakin grew up confiding in Palpatine. He was his friend outside of the jedi order. A lot of the things Palpatine knows about him arent hard to infer if you know Anakin well. Especially since him and Padme werent exactly good at hiding their relationship 😅
Came here to say this. Palpatine wasn’t as omniscient as the video states, rather, it’s implied that Anakin and he were quite close over the years. A second fatherly figure.
A lot of what this dude says is rather dumb imo, what you pointed out was one of them.
It would’ve been nice to see all of those moments between Anakin and Palpatine, instead of just hearing that they happened off camera. Such great storytelling 🙄
I'm an old man who grew up with the original trilogy and I was not impressed with the prequels but I still liked them. I had all the 6 movies on DVD once I could have them and in the time since then I have rewatched them obviously but in the end I have ended up watching revenge of the sith a whole lot more than the others and it's definitely my second favorite Star Wars movie and IMO it's the most "entertaining" movie of the series
I also grew up with the original trilogy and sometimes like to watch the prequels except Revenge of the Sith. Even after all these years I still hate that movie.
As an old man who also grew up with the original trilogy, RoS is tolerable compared to the other prequels. PM had a great final duel and CW has nothing. RoS at least had more than one decent scene. RoJ hasn’t aged as well as my childhood memory, but it’s still leagues better than the prequels.
The only one worth watching is Revenge of The Sith
I was 14 when ep 1 released so for a 6 year period of my life star wars was the OG trilogy. So when the prequels released I was a lot like you.. I loved watching them in the cinema the first time but as time went on especially ep 1 and 2 felt lacking (I fucking loved ep 3 from day 1). There was too big of a shift in style and the connection to the OT felt flimsy at best...
As social media became I thing I fell into the phantom menace was the worst star wars ever train of thought... But like you whenever I watched the saga again I'd always include the prequels thinking at least the worst ones are first.. But as I've gotten older.. I kinda love PM and episode 2 is deffo the worst for me.
One thing I'll say Disney has done right in the tike they have had star wars is marrying the trilogies together.. Having prequel tech and characters showing up in OT era movie is and shows has helped making the connection stronger.. Now I'm not a Disney fan, except for force awakens, rogue one and parts of Mando I haven't been fan of much of what they have done with it since including the sequel trilogy but at least there's that
I think anakin’s sudden switch to the dark side slaughter Jedi’s and younglings makes more sense if you think about what palpatine said earlier, “do what must be done” and that was the only way for Anakin to dig deep enough into the dark side to become a true apprentice of the sith in order to save Padmé. Later on Mustafar after all of the killing you can see Anakin crying, which probably means that all of he slaughter wasn’t something he enjoyed, but something he did in pain.
38:10 actually, dying from sadness (or broken heart syndrome) is possible and lots of very social animals (like elephants) do die because of that, but its rare
never said it was impossible
I know it's a bit of a cop out, but the clone wars show really helps Anakin's turn and character in general a lot. Ahsoka leaving him, the Jedi not trusting him, everything on Mortis. I wish a 7 season show wasn't needed to "fix" ROTS but for us big fans its epic
I know you focus mostly on the films as that is what most people have seen. But the only thing I would've added is how much The Clone Wars fleshed out Ani and Obi's relationship and Ani's fall. It really changes the viewing experience, especially for ep 3. It becomes so much more tragic and you really can understand why Ani feels betrayed by the order.
It is a pretty big investement to watch a 7 season show to flesh out a couple of characters. The same could be said about the fall of the clones, but damn does it just make Revenge of the Sith so much sweeter.
Great vid as always.
oh I love the clone wars for this reason, and it makes my appreciation of the prequel lore so much better
One thing this movie did spectacularly was show how Anakin and Palpatine's relationship was far closer than anyone would think. Anakin certainly shows that he feels closer to Palpatine than almost anyone else. Palpatine is like a father figure but also like the Devil on his shoulder. Obi-Wan is more like a much older brother and the angel on his shoulder. When Palpatine reveals that he knows that Anakin wants to save Padme, it's not far-fetched to figure out that Palpatine understands this just based on his extremely close relationship with Anakin. We know even from the OT that Jedi and Sith can sense the movements of the Force within the other person. Luke KNOWS there is good in Vader. Vader also KNOWS that Luke is willing to do anything for his friends and even realizes (because he's able to literally read Luke's mind in this situation) that Leia is Luke's sister and his own daughter.
So this idea of reading someone's mind is already existent within Star Wars when two people share a very close bond. And like I said earlier, Palpatine was very close to Anakin and clearly knew something was going on that Anakin couldn't share with anyone. His wife is pregnant... probably not hard to figure out even without the Force. Damaged kid, slave mom, died trying to save her, has never got over it, is secretly married... Palpatine could figure it out just based on that and all of their interactions over the years.
I understand a lot of the bad plot points in Star Wars, but Palpatine knowing Anakin and Padme were together and that he was afraid she would die is literally not even on my list.
2 things that would have helped the prequels:
1) having Hayden Christianson be in all 3 movies so we could have followed him like we followed mark Hamill, instead of such a big time jump between episode 1&2 where anakin is literally a completely different person
2) having all 3 movies take place during the clone wars so there was a common conflict just like the rebels vs the empire in the original trilogy
awful ideas
@@cy4069Why?
@@cy4069no they’re not.
Yeah I totally agree. Having episode 1 be episode 2, and having episode 2 take place in the middle of the Clone War would be able to tell the story much better. Even if you did need episode 1, this could be told somewhere through episode 2 (now episode 1).
The power of the high ground is a gateway to many abilities some consider unnatural
Abilities such as keeping your limbs?
@@reubenmanzo2054 🤣🤣
I like this video but saying order 66 doesn’t work without the music is like saying you wouldn’t be able to run without your legs. The fact is the scene DOES have music and was never intended to be played on mute
You've made a lot of comments asking about how come things always turn out right for Palpatine, but that's literally his Force power - he has a prescient view of the future on a galactic scale, as well as the ability to obscure that view for other Force users. When he says that everything is proceeding as he has foreseen it, he's literally foreseen it.
"everything that has transpired has done so according to my design." He means EVERYTHING.
I guess this omniscient foresight just randomly failed him for no reason at all at the end of episode VI...
Also, even if he knew EVERYTHING that happened was going to happen, that wouldn't excuse the fact that what does happen flies in the face of logic all too often.
Finally, his plan is extremely convoluted, even if he knew it would all play out in his favour. If you think he was trapped into this particular convoluted plan and couldn't pursue his own one because his foresight told him only one possible future, this just robs him of his scheming and intellectual character, because he's just following a pre-determined script which was out of his control.
@@Voivode.of.Hirsir Luke says "your overconfidence is your weakness", which is ultimately Palp's downfall.
@@davehandelman2832If he knows literally everything that will happen he can't be overconfident. The very fact that he is OVERconfident, i.e. more confident than he should be, means he doesn't have perfect foresight.
@@Voivode.of.Hirsir sure. Whatever. Ep.3 sucks balls.
I’m Gen Z and our generation grew up with these movies, which has definitely fueled the resurgence of prequel popularity especially for this movie in particular (and of course the memes). Personally I would say while I acknowledge that this isn’t objectively the best film in the franchise in terms of plot, structure, dialogue, etc., it is definitely my favorite of the franchise because it’s just so fun to watch, and I think I’m far from the only one with that viewpoint. If I’m ever bored and thinking that I’m gonna watch a Star Wars movie, this is always the first one that comes to mind. Sure it might be sloppy and silly and some of the CGI might not hold up, but hot damn is it a blast every time I watch it.
Also cutting the dialogue from the obi wan/padme scene where obi wan opens up about how he knew about anakin and padme and how he knows much anakin loves her and he just wants to help them was George’s worst decision of the prequels
The way I binged this entire channel last week and have been waiting for this video since
Thank you so much! I appreciate the support :)
One big gripe: Dying from the stress of sadness/a broken heart is actually a thing. Its called takotsubo cardiomyopathy. Its rare to be fatal, but i can be, and its not total BS like you claim. ALSO, they aren't "choosing to be weak" or "abandoning their kids" when this happens. That's insanely messed up to say when you realize this is real thing that people have died from. (I'm a Cardiac ICU Nurse for reference.)
For a long time, I felt the same way about Anakin’s fall in ROTS, but then I thought about it a little. Mass murder is well within the scope of what he was capable of. In PM, he gleefully blows up a ship that has several Neimoidians on it, but we dismiss it because most of the things that blow up on it seem to be droids, but we clearly see Daultay Dofine blow up while Anakin cheers and says “This is podracing.” Then in AOTC, he totally genocides an entire village of men, women and children, never mind all the Geonosians he cut through in the factory fight. Killing, even mass killing, is definitely something I’d believe he’s capable of. I think what makes it hard for people to buy is that he acts out of anger or desperation in either previous cases, but in ROTS he does it while in a seemingly fully conscious state of mind. He knows what he’s doing is wrong, yet he does it anyway. He had a moment in the previous film where he was conflicted, but now, not so much, at least not through dialogue, and it makes it tough for the audience because this is the first movie where we feel like we’re starting to empathize with his motivations. In the end though, I think there’s enough evidence to suggest that killing means nothing to Anakin and it isn’t a big step for me when he decides to kill Jedi. As you said, he doesn’t really show an attachment to any of them besides Obi-wan, so what’s a room full of children to him?
I like to imagine Anakin wanted to kill the kids every single day and had to resist the urge because of the "rules". But then he turned and *finally* he could follow his heart lol
to build on this, he did not have very much love for the jedi leading up to this moment, only obi wan until later events. for anakin to not have any emotion ties to the way he did palpatine and padme it made a little more sense because of prior actions such as the tusken raiders.
He also was kinda out of options. His wife would die and he would be arrested by the Jedi if he returned. His wife would still die if they ran away together. His wife wouldn’t die if he killed the Jedi and then found a way to stop her from dying. Then he would kill palpatine and rule the galaxy.
People criticize “mass murder” of Anakin so seriously forgetting the beloved gang in OT just blowing millions upon millions of (possibly drafted) Stormtroopers for giggles. Star Wars shows killing. Big deal.
@@Totallysteveharvey You explained it perfectly in just 4 sentences. People refuse to understand how much of a desperate position Anakin was in.
I’m sure by the point in which you’re asking why Anakin wouldn’t just leave the council, it was because at that time he believed he needed to get access to their archives to try to find a way to save Padme, which was also why it was such a big deal to get the master rank.
My first thought
But that’s not in the movie.
looking at a film that's apart of a giant franchise and only focusing on what's in the film itself isn't being fair to it
@@IAmTheGod0fWar I disagree with this.
All the lore and the material that's outside the movie should exist only as bonus material to expand on the stuff we see in the movie. It shouldn't exist in order to explain super vital information that the audience should have already got from the movie itself.
Not everyone is going to read all the books, and read wookiepedia articles, or watch UA-cam lore videos, or watch all the Star Wars Disney+ shows. Some people are only going to watch the main movies of the franchise. And that's completely fair. And the vital information to understand these movies should be included into the movies themselves.
Also, in many cases, the bonus material outside of the movies has been created AFTER the movies were already made. Which kind of means that at least some of the content exists to fill holes that shouldn't have been in the movies in the first place.
(Now true, some content has been created prior to the Revenge of the Sith, sure. Like the "Clone Wars" 2003 microseries, or the Clone wars comic book series).
Going off Obi-Wan and Anakin's relationship in the previous film, it could've been written to be so much more of a brotherly bond where they do have their differences, and they still butt heads, but it's clear that they still care about each other. If there was even a small arc where they grew to trust each other instead of talk bad about each other behind his back, the death of their friendship in RotS would've been that much more tragic.
Ahh, but that's the point. . . Anakin and Obi-Wan didn't have a brotherly relationship in AOTC. . . Obi-Wan was the master, having to teach and instruct and inspire his padawan. . . Something he wasn't ready for but did anyway.
Once Annie had grown up, Obi-Wan could see him as a brother. . . But Anakin needed a father.
I disagree with the claim that the 15 years ago the Prequels were some of the most hated films to have ever been made. Yes there was tremendous backlash to them but that backlash was nowhere near the scale of the sequels, particularly after the initial release of the Last Jedi and further disdain after the Rise of Skywalker.
I would also say that the revival in popularity the Prequels received had a lot to do with authorship (as you said) but also coherent world-building, a cohesive story, consistent canon and continuity, and lots of beloved media outside the films to flesh out the time period. It wasn't just Episode III or the Prequels, it was the numerous videos games, books, comics, and shows that were set in the Prequels with the explicit purpose of fleshing out that time period.
The Sequels conversely, don't have any of that. They don't have the same level of authorship, worldbuilding, story, or consistent canon or continuity. And there is little to no tangential media set in the sequels. The little that does exist mostly came out during the Sequels but that era has been entirely abandoned almost immediately after the movie came out. To compare, in between Attack of the Clones and Revenge of the Sith, Lucasfilm made a series or animated shorts, at least 4 video games explicitly set during the Prequels, countless books, and a series of comics that directly tied into the films.
What did they make for the Sequels in between the Last Jedi and Rise of Skywalker? The most I can gather is story DLC for a single video game (Battlefront II), an animated show on Disney XD that lasted 2 seasons, a few books, and a comic series. And after the sequels ended? There is essentially nothing compared to the Prequels which got an acclaimed animated series that lasted 6 seasons, numerous more books, video games, and comics. 6 years after the Prequels ended they were still getting content whereas the Sequels had nothing mere 2 years after it ended.
Disney did make a lot of content after it bought Star Wars and during the release of the Sequels but, surprisingly, most of it was not focused on the Sequels. Most of it was focused on the OT era and the High Republic Era. They were clearly honing in on nostalgia for the OT which is a criticisms many Sequel detractors levy against the Sequels themselves: prioritizing OT iconography, nostalgia, and stories for money instead of making something new with their films.
Regardless, my point in all this is that the Sequels did not build up the same fanbase as the Prequels not just because their movies were different but also because there children who watched the Prequels were much more immersed in those films and world via outside media. Kids today don't talk about Star Wars let along the Sequels that much outside the Mandalorean whereas they could not stop talking about the Prequels when they came out and for the years after. The Sequels were not engrained in the children's media the same way Prequels were nor did they capture the imagination of the kid. For those reasons I strongly suspect that the Sequels will not be viewed as fondly or as nostalgically as the Prequels were.
I passionately disagree with your claim
I mean, people made songs about how George Lucas raped their childhood. Thats a whole new level of fucked up.
I do think there should be more content set during the Age of the Resistance tho. Most of that stuff mainly came out around the time of TFa
@@thegoldman25Disney Star Wars is trash it had o effect on the culture none. No one cares nor will they ever care about them.
I acutally really love the Yoda scene when he talks to Aniken, it shows how the Jedi viewed relationships at the time and it's one of their fatal flaws as a religion. The teachings of staying distant and rejecting your feelings for people is what drove Aniken towards the dark side and gives prequal Yoda a flaw but also makes episode 5+ Yoda seem wiser. Yoda realised while in exile and it made him seem all the wiser for it
its a good scene, it just makes me hate yoda
Yoda never learned anything. He was the same in Ep5. Luke had to go against Obi & Yoda in order to save Vader and Leia (and others).
@@LilacSreyawhich makes his character murder in the sequels that much more frustrating.
@LilacSreya I disagree. Yoda most definitely learned alot. He had to. If he didn't he probably wouldn't have trained Luke in the first place LOL the ignorance of the jedi, Yoda included, is extremely important to the story of their downfall. The prophecy was about the chosen one bringing balance to the force. The jedi never even considered that THEY were the ones that needed to be balanced LOL
i'm not gonna lie. I agree with you on pretty much everything. The moment I felt pure rage was when you talked about how Anakin and Obi-Wan flared their sabers without touching while they were fighting on mustafar. They both practiced the same form but opposite each other. its beautiful
Totally agree about watching in chronological order. That's what I did when my daughter wanted to get started on them, she knew Vader was Luke's father but not that Anikin was Vader. That reveal blew her mind.
oh yeah thats such a great point
I'll admit I was in 5th grade when Episode III came out and I had watched all the originals and the first 2 episodes a lot as a kid. Never made the connection that Anakin would become Vader until the moment he chopped off Mace Windu's hand.
@@RossGoneRogue I was in the 5th grade as well, but i was such a nerd and would read the books that came out with the movie and read spoilers sadly lol. I made the connection he turns by the end of clone wars movie. I knew in Revenge he will turn just didn't know how he would.
I feel the main storyline of this film should have been split into three parts to make what could have been the prequel trilogy.
I've being saying for a while now that Attack of the Clones should've been episode 1 while episodes 2 and 3 should've covered whats in Revenge of the Sith. Specifically fleshing out more of who the separatists are, more of the clone wars itself, and Anakin's turn to the darkside
But Phantom menace is great.
@@kolaranze has its moments, but overall I don't agree that it's great.
Kid Anakin didn't need to be for an entire film.
@@BobPantsSpongeSquare97 A beginning, middle and end of the Clone Wars arc would have been ideal.
What we got was the political backdrop (episode 1), the lead up and beginning (episode 2) and the rushed finale (episode 3).
Hell yeah, we can have 2 while movies with live action clone wars and character development. Sign me up. Maybe someday AI could be used to create it
I can understand why some consider this their favorite one. It deals with the most pivotal point in the series. The highly anticipated turn to the darkside and how it unfolds. How it happens and why he does it. It had to have been the most anticipated of all the prequels for that reason. And it was the 1st one that was PG-13 instead of PG for the general dark atmosphere, and higher level of intensity and sci-fi action violence. It makes a statement to remind everyone of exactly who Darth Vader is in case they forgot. Make no mistake, hes not to be taken lightly at all! Dudes as wicked and evil as any top level iconic villain in cinema.
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Grevious is in the movie to foreshadow what Anakin will become, more machine than man. Just as the droid army is inferior to the organic clones, augmenting your body with machinery will weaken your connection to the force, which is why Darth Vader is a slower swordfighter in the OT.
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Like I said, four lightsabers but no connection to the force is no match for a trained jedi.
"Don't be too sure of this technological terror you've constucted. The ability to destroy a planet is insufficient next to the power of the force."
- Darth Vader : A New Hope
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"They are totally loyal, obeying any order without question."
- Lama Su: Attack of the Clones
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Obi-Wan's reaction is actually realistic for his character. Your suggestion that he should start wailing and crying is ludicrous. He first says, "It can't be." which is a sign of disbelief. If his mind is not able to believe that what he's seeing is true, then the last thing he would do is cry about it. When he finally comes to the realization that Anakin has turned, his first reaction is to ask to be sent to fight the Emperor because he's too emotionally attached to him.
These are the symptoms of shock. When you're in shock you don't cry. It would ruin the entire scene and possibly the movie if he did.
5:05 - 6:41
100% disagree
The story is made far more tragic because the master/father figure Anakin needed (Qui-Gon) died. This clears Obi-Wan from being solely responsible for Anakin's downfall. Obi-Wan is an older brother to Anakin, and this always leads to competition in the teen/early adulthood years. There are several other factors at play, such as Palpatine's assertion as Anakin's Father figure, and Anakin's dangerous habit of forming possessive relationships.
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Yoda tells Anakin to "Let go of everything you fear to lose", which is actually great advice. Anakin doesn't simply love Padme, or Shmi. He wants to possess them. He "can't live without" them. Everyone dies at some point. Yoda isn't telling Anakin to be a cold, distant, emotionless husk. He's telling him to "let go" which is also something Obi-Wan tells Luke above the Death Star. Attempting to alter fate so that someone else will continue to exist not because you care for their wellbeing but because you want them to fulfill your own desires is unhealthy.
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Order 66 was only just carried out, and the Jedi were previously allowed freedom of passage. Changing that all of a sudden would raise suspicion and reveal the Chancellor's plot. Yoda is not a "normal person", he's the Grand Master of the Jedi Order.
37:54
Padme never died of a "broken heart". The movie informs us through Palpatine (who has no reason to lie about this) that Anakin killed her in his anger. He took away her will to live, she didn't "give up". She even says "There's good in him" which is an extremely optimistic and hopeful thing to say. You even point to two other things that in the movie lead to her death: 38:03 Anakin chocking her, and childbirth. But you disregard them because a droid (which have been shown to be routinely unreliable) says she, "has lost the will to live" which purposely doesn't show the full picture; Palpatine's line later on does.
I'm seriously beginning to think you rewatched this with a heavy dose of anti-prequel biases. You seem to latch on to small portions of dialogue and complain about them almost in isolation. Like this movie is nothing more than a string of self contained memes.
44:25 - 45:21
This is one of the only parts of the video I agree with.
45:21
I can emphatically state that the sequels will never become as loved as the prequels. The prequels may have had a lot of backlash directed at them, but they still remained extremely relevant for the last 18 years. The sequels are already mostly forgotten.
I feel like it’s safe to assume Palpatine just had an expansive network of spies and informants and wasn’t just some all-knowing all powerful genius. He was the Chancellor and from Naboo so it’s well within reason he could’ve had spies during Anakin and Padme’s wedding or paid someone off to tell him
good point
I will say, the whole "It's Over Anakin, I have the high ground" thing isn't necessarily supposed to be literal... When Obi-Wan is saying that he's basically saying he has the _moral_ high ground. And the only reason Anakin's trick didn't work is because its the same trick Darth Maul used to kill Qui Gon. Obi-Wan knew what he was trying to do.
11:21 Dooku actually wanted to train Anakin. He saw a little bit of himself in Anakin. And wanted to turn him to the dark side. Dooku while he’s Palpatine’s apprentice wanted to continue the legacy of the rule of two. He wanted to kill Palpatine secretly but never got a chance too. Also, Palpatine had Dooku killed because he sensed Dooku’s treachery plus Dooku was a liability because he was too old.
44:44 All they had to do was make Rey to say "I'm Rey, just Rey" at the end.
she desperately wanted identity, she wanted family, she wanted solid external definition of who she is.
That wish was crushed at the end of TLJ, yet she managed to stand on her own Not falling in to the rage with Kylo.
Buuuut the wish somehow returns in to her life again and backfires in the most horrendous and contrived way imaginable.
After she killed that wish for the identity, having learned that she does not need anything but her own belief to be who she is, she introduces her self as just Rey
Because that doesn't make her insecure anymore.
That would've been enough for me to at least 'not' hate sequel
i would've preferred that too
Everyone would, but alas, Disney bowed down to fan theories instead of continuing they're vision.
Bummer
@@tomerorlevi1673The problem is that there never was a vision in the first place. If JJ Abrams or Rian Johnson had made the trilogy by themselves individually the results ( love it or hate it ) would have at least been narratively cohesive.
@@HynesSightEditsit was already narratively cohesive. The only one that betrays the cohesiveness is 9. And scripts aren’t written all at once. I’m sure there was a direction that they wanted to go at the beginning, but of course things change. They fired a director and an actress passed away, forcing script and story changes. The prequels don’t feel cohesive and they were written and directed by the same guy. But, I’m sure, you love those.
@@MogwaiEar The Prequels certainly have issues but they definitely are narratively cohesive. The main plot points are Anakin’s fall to the Darkside and Palpatine’s rise to power and ( while the dialogue can be lacking ) it is very consistent and cohesive in covering both. Rian Johnson threw every plot point JJ abrams set up in the trash, and then JJ did the same thing again in the 3rd film. There is no over all theme, no real character growth ( aside from Kylo ) and by the end no reason to care at all. Despite its flaws the prequels had all of those + great music, world building, and action. ( the sequels had great music tho, because John Williams never misses )
I think an analysis like this shows how great and necessary The Clone Wars series is to the success of this storyline. As mentioned so much of the relationship between Obi Wan and Anakin are lacking fleshing out in these movies and that is solved by the series and there are several other topics to mention that share this. Things like the viewers attachment to characters grows so much through that series that it makes ROTS one of the greatest pieces of cinema I've ever seen. Feeling like I was growing up with anakin, ashoka and even Obi Wan exemplifies the ideals and purpose of the star wars story
I have always taken it as Palpatine planting the doubts, fears and nightmares in Anakin. Using the force to manipulate him subtly and then reaching out everytime. As Padme is a senator and Palpatine is the chancellor (both from the same planet) it makes total sense that he has sensed padme and anakins relationship. Basically all the jedi have turned a blind eye to their relationship because they need Anakin to win the war.
Palps knew what troubled Anakin, because those 3 years of the Clone Wars it wouldnt be too hard to spot or manipulate.
And regarding Padme's death, its implied Palpatine is using her to keep Anakin alive resulting in her death just as Anakin "returns" to life after the mask is put on
31:40 - quality over quantity, my friend. Obi-Wan is Jedi Master and Master of the defense form of lightsaber dueling. Grievous, even though he's a skilled warrior, with his 4 lightsabers isn't Jedi, he's not Force sensitive (yes, Force plays a great part in LS dueling), which is why Obi-Wan is superior to him in this aspect.
Put it this way, you have a guy, who dedicated his whole life to the craft and the amateur, who thinks he's just as skilled as that guy... Who wins here?
36:40 - it's not about that.
The whole point of that scene was showing how Anakin's hubris and overconfidence in his power got better of him.
He clearly knew about the way Obi Wan had defeated Darth Maul and he wanted to recreate the exact same moment here. He was confident that he could do that, after all he was the Chosen One enhanced with the Dark Side.
But Obi Wan understood Anakin's intentions, which is why he said: "Don't try it".
The point of that scene was to show us how Siths, despite being so calculated and prepared, still could get too cocky and their hubris will get better of them. Just like in the real world.
37:01 - it's more complicated than you think. Put it this way, you are Anakin, the Chosen One by the Force to bring Balance and to destroy the Siths. The Jedi council actually needed to help you in your development, encourage you and teach you the ways of the Force. Yet, all they did was not respecting him and his feelings, his intuition and his decisions. The reason he wanted to become a Jedi Master was to get more information about how he could've saved Padme, but he was denied.
The Jedi Council basically didn't trust him and didn't want him to be the Chosen One from the beginning. Even Obi-Wan, his own master, couldn't make his own decision about where his allegiance stayed.
And at the same time, you have Palpatine by your side, the man encourages you, helps you, mentors you. Palpatine was a master manipulator for sure, but Jedi Council wasn't innocent either.
i love when creators edit the videos to line up with the end of their sentences, or convey what they’re saying. it’s a nice touch lol (18:39 & 28:56)
Anakin's turn to the dark side and going off on that was explained because Palpatine was -supposedly- hanging Padme's life over the decision. He had to go and pull it off or he implied he wouldn't have given himself to the darkness and thus couldn't assist him in keeping her alive. It was meant to show that he valued her over everything, his soul and morality included.
The problem is that’s not really conveyed well. There should have been a much bigger pull in both directions. All we get is the (very good) window scene to show his inner debate. I so badly wish there was an extra 15 minutes of the movie where after anakin helps kill windu, he leaves and wrestles with what he’s done and eventually comes to a decision to go back to Palpatine. Something along the lines of that could have gone a long way imo
Palpatine having a plant in the Jedi masters would’ve solved some of these issues in hindsight.
Why does Palpatine need a plant when he’s clairvoyant
It's also hard not to have as much fun as Ian McDiarmid when he's hamming it up as Sidious in this film. His Opera scene and fight with Yoda elevate both events. Especially forgiving some of the silliness of the later.
I didn’t expect this one so quickly!! So excited, thank you for continuing to produce such amazing videos
enjoy! thanks for the kind words!
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Obi-Wan's reaction is actually realistic for his character. Your suggestion that he should start wailing and crying is ludicrous. He first says, "It can't be." which is a sign of disbelief. If his mind is not able to believe that what he's seeing is true, then the last thing he would do is cry about it. When he finally comes to the realization that Anakin has turned, his first reaction is to ask to be sent to fight the Emperor because he's too emotionally attached to him.
These are the symptoms of shock. When you're in shock you don't cry. It would ruin the entire scene and possibly the movie if he did.
i feel like with the 'anakin never showed he wanted to be a master' i always thought that its more everyone on the council is a master but they're specifically not making him one, therefore its an insult because being a master is meant to go handed in hand with being on the council.
If theres one theme i noticed: its trust. Anakin gets hooked and yanked from all directions from palpatine, the council, padme, and the dark side had clouded him so much hes nothing but a beast. Wanting to overthrow Palpatine though he wanted to keep him to save her. Its a tragic tale that still holds up as the best of the 3 prequels.
I am a Texan who loves Texas history. When discussing the beginning portion of the film you critique the separatists plan with Palpetine.
Texas itself was a separatist movement among citizens of the state of Texas and Coahuila. After losing some crucial battles the Texans were able to launch a surprise attack and capture the Mexican dictatorial president Santa Anna. Using him as a bargaining piece, Texas ended the war gaining independence. This is very similar to Palpetine getting captured, so to me it seems reasonable and realistic. Like you said.
I never knew that! Thank you for sharing that story
Seeing Anakin's down fall in Revenge of the Sith literally saved my life. A young 25 year old me needed to see it and realized I needed to change. It changed me forever and I am only making this post because of the impact of Revenge of the Sith on me.
this is a good breakdown of ep 3, and hammers home on some of the really egregious plot breaking issues the script has. i think one of the films biggest issues (other than anakin as a protagonist) is how it can feel like its going through the motions and not lending much weight to the decisions of its characters. like, the reveal that palpatine is a sith lord obviously isnt a shock to the audience, but it also doesnt really shock the characters either.
id highly recommend hal9000's fan edit of revenge of the sith called "labyrinth of evil." it solves so many of the movies problems and is genuinely a great time for a star wars fan
One thing about the prequel triliogy that i love is the fact that they feel like star wars . The sequels sure can be considered better movies in some regards however they don't feel like Star wars at least to me.
To each their own, thanks for watching!
Agreed
While I do think this movie is just ok, there is one aspect about it that makes me respect it more than the average SW film, and that’s its themes of loss and how attachments can lead you down a dark path. I tend to give high praise for films like TESB, TLJ, or R1 and it’s because they all bring something new and compelling about them that makes them much more unique and interesting and engaging. And while I have issues with ROTS’s execution, I think it’s interesting how it tries to tell a story about a man who was trying to do the right thing for his wife ends up being manipulated through those emotions and feelings into doing things he doesn’t want to because he doesn’t handle the emotions of losing a loved one well.
So you know what? Even if there’s still a lot that doesn’t work for me, kudos to Lucas for trying to tell a more thought provoking story. It may not have worked, but he did try.
Couldn’t agree more
For me it worked
Palpatine isn’t magically all knowing, he’s a meticulous planner and he has spies across the galaxy
Bro you deserve so many more subs ❤
Ahhhh yes... Revenge of the Sith... The best of the star wars movies.
Enjoy!
I liked anakin and obi wan in AOTC, huge sibling energy. Also throughout the movies proper we really aren’t given what Dooku does and doesn’t know. He only ever meets with palpatine in his sith get up and all he really confirms knowing is that there is a powerful Sith Lord with significant influence in the senate. He may not actually know palpatine is the chancellor. Hell he might even think he’s the one in charge playing some corrupt republic fool to his own ends
I disagree with the first point, I think Anakin and Obi-Wan act like they really hate each other and can't stand each other. I much prefer their bond in The Clone Wars, I even like how The Phantom Menace handled the dynamic, Obi-Wan was worried but he never showed it to Anakin.
As for Dooku, I think that's why I dislike Dooku as a villain, we know he left the Jedi due to corruption but we don't know if he actually cares about The Separatist Movement or if he just wants to rule with Palpatine. If it's the first, Dooku would despise Vice Roy Gunray, who is shown to possibly be the most corrupt and coward politician in Star Wars, who engages in illicit activities like murder, etc. If it's the latter, then it makes even less sense, he's actively joining the person corrupting both the Jedi and The Republic, if he feels betrayed by the Jedi's ideals, he's also betraying so he'll become all-powerful.
I know the excuse is that the Dark Side Corrupts but in AOTC, Dooku is shown to be the more rational Sith, someone who regret cutting off a Padawan's hand.
How? He clearly knows this in Revenge of the sith and is shocked when Palpatine orders anakin to kill him.
All three LOTR films were shot and edited at the same time using the natural beauty of mostly a single location... Apples to Oranges.
This movie was always my favorite growing up. Nowadays its still in my top 5, alongside the OT and Rogue One. I love the themes(and memes) of loss and how dark it was willing to get, the battles in this movie are visually stunning; both massive battles, and lightsaber duels. While Palpatine's plan has always been ridiculous, I find him so damn fun to watch, and Ian McDermott looks like he's genuinely having so much fun. The OST, in my opinion is the best in all of Star Wars, like, not even close. Not everything is perfect, but I feel like a lot of aspects of this movie in particular have aged remarkably well, especially after a lot of other material such as Clone Wars fixed up some aspects of the story.
But that said, I do think there's a reason why people say things like 'the Clone Wars fixed the prequels'. It's kind of for that reason I hope a show gets made for the sequels, even if I only really enjoy TFA, find TLJ a mixed bag, and Rise of Skywalker... Exists. Perhaps a show set between TLJ and TRoS to fix some issues there with some of the characters and to flesh out that time period a bit more, or maybe a Jedi Order show with Luke and Ben that could better justify for people, like myself, Luke's behavior in TLJ(I actually think the arc itself is fine, but I absolutely HATE Luke nearly killing Ben in his sleep, especially after how his journey closed out in the OT). I want people to be able to appreciate that era as people have now done for the prequels, and I want people who love those films to feel more validated in their enjoyment of them, perhaps winning people over to them that otherwise felt disappointed by them. However, that all depends on if the right people can make it work, and if Disney/Lucasfilm will be willing to commit to improving and/or (heh, Andor) fleshing out that era and those movies.
Once again, another great video, and the honest opinions are always appreciated!
thanks for watching!
I agree. There's so much I want to know about what happened in the lead up the the sequel movies - and I know there's books and comics that help bridge the gap and explain things but I think a show would be better.
I definitely think down the track there will be more love for the sequel trilogy like there is now for the prequels. I remember vividly the absolute hate of the prequels when the came out and how much everyone shat on them. Just like people are doing now for sequels.
I think both trilogies are HEAVILY flawed, but both also have great moments and that special Star Wars magic.
In time, I think people will remember the sequels more fondly just like they do with the prequels and a supporting show like The Clone Wars for the sequels would help a lot!
I would love to see a show that fleshes out the sequel era ala the clone wars.
Revenge of the sith is i think the only prequel to actually come out during my lifetime, its my favorite star wars movie, I love the space battle, and lightsaber fights, what a fun movie
I wasn't subscribed but I am now... First time one of those "reminders" was relevant in recent memory... Keep doing what you're doing, no notes 😉
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I saw every prequel film in theaters as a kid, and Revenge of the Sith is my favorite.
You have my like for the quality and personality of your video. I like your work.
Awesome! Thank you!
Man... You made me look at these movies a lot more critically now. Especially Revenge, cause everything you said was absolutely right.
It makes me question me own creative writing and how I can make it better and not be predictable.
Have you not seen the Mr. Plinkett reviews of the prequels?
@@Ryglado no I haven't
That's always my goal! Thanks for watching!
No he didn't
I was born the exact day and year this movie came out May 19th 2005. So every years on my birthday my family and I watch this movie
Anakin did want to be a master. In Attack of the clones he mentions a few times how he believes he’s ready for the trials and that he thinks he’s being held back by Obi-wan.
You’re misremembering in attack of the clones he was talking about that he thought he was ready to become a Jedi knights. That’s what the trials are for. He was not a Knight in the second movie.
About Padmé dying. I would have loved to learn that her death was only for hiding for Anakin/Vader. She actually lived in exile on Alderaan or Dantooine. Could have been a nice reveal for Luke and Leia after return of the Jedi.
I remember seeing this movie and thinking I missed a scene in the beginning. How could it just jump into the action from frame one?
5:05 - 6:41
100% disagree
The story is made far more tragic because the master/father figure Anakin needed (Qui-Gon) died. This clears Obi-Wan from being solely responsible for Anakin's downfall. Obi-Wan is an older brother to Anakin, and this always leads to competition in the teen/early adulthood years. There are several other factors at play, such as Palpatine's assertion as Anakin's Father figure, and Anakin's dangerous habit of forming possessive relationships.
I agree with your point on Padme’s death, but I do take issue with when you talk about mothers with healthy alive children should be happy. Postpartum depression is very real. This isn’t really connected to the movie, and obviously you didn’t say it to be unkind, I just wanted to put that out there
You = Best Star Wars UA-camr, I will not lie
not sure I would consider myself a star wars youtuber anymore, but I appreciate the compliment nonetheless
@@thegoldman25 Yeah I was thinking that, you might just have to be the best UA-camr then 😳😳
I appreciate that!
Please make the "Years Later" videos of the original trilogy. It'd be amazing have videos to all the three trilogies.
haven’t been this excited for a video in a minute
enjoy!
36:19 We don't have to admit it's goofy, because we think it's cool. Why can't you just admit that you think it's dumb and leave it at that? I don't have to think it's goofy just to make you feel better, and I won't.
The last section of your video is so valid!
Thanks for watching!
I’m sorry gold man I still think the sequels are worse than prequels and nothing you will say can change my mind on that
not trying to change minds
I can’t believe I was 2 when the last good main Star Wars movie came out.
You were born in 2015?
I can believe it. The Star Wars story ran out of steam in 1983.
Dying from a broken heart does surprisingly happen usually with elderly people
I really loved the video: However the conclusion you drew regarding padme cannot stand as it is.
1st: a not so fun fact: There is a heart condition called Tako Tsubo cardiomyopathy or "Broken Heart Syndrome" where the heart muscle does not work sufficiently enough any more. The only cause is extreme emotional distress. However you can detect it in medical examinations and you can treat it (ofc. not always successfully).
Secondly:
Your chain of reasoning was: "Padme abandoned her children. This is why she is weak." - and you spoke to many mothers...
But there are cases of mothers commiting suicide right after childbirth or even killing their own children. This is often a result of postpartum depression or other underlying psychological disorders.
This does not mean that the person is weak. Everybody can succumb to psychological disorders. This just means that the person needs help.
I 100% agree that they should have handled it better in the film (on many many levels) but your statement is just not fit for announcing it to your audience in this tonality. (also... It didnt add anything important to the video, so why put it in.)
As I said I otherwise thoroughly enjoyed this video as I enjoyed the other videos of you that I have watched. Keep up the good work and entertainment. :D
On the topic of the separatist fleet not leaving there are two main reasons for it not doing so.
1. It was part of palpatine’s plan for obi-wan and Anakin to try and rescue him. While we don’t know EXACTLY what he though the outcome would be, he knew he could use it to his advantage. So he didn’t want the fleet to leave after he was taken on board.
2. Despite what the sequels would have you believe, ships can’t just jump to light speed whenever and where ever they want. It has to be a calculated, unobstructed path for them to jump to. Hyperspace lanes exist because they are pre-charted areas that are proven to be safe. With a battle THAT massive going on the republic would have made its #1 priority be the safe rescue of their leader. They would have used ships to blockade separatist ships from leaving orbit. Yeah a few smaller ships could probably slip past, but not a capital ship and it’s protection frigates. Once the chancellor was brought down to Corrusant, the republic would have repositioned in a defensive stance around the planet to protect it and ensure the separatists couldn’t invade the planet again. Allowing the separatist fleet to retreat.
Also none of that has to do with the novelization, that comes from things said in the movies as well as basic battle tactics. And even though yes some people should have been suspicious…they were. The Jedi are suspicious of palatine the entire movie, they just didn’t know it was to the extreme it was
Palpatine wanted dooku to kill kenobi, making anakin enraged and then kill dooku in return. Anakin would have no one to lean on, except Padme. Which sidious could then use as an advantage.
Small note: there absolutely are mothers who lose one child which causes such severe depression that they stop taking care of the remaining child(ren).
a little different between mental issues and dying of sadnesss
I have met plenty of people who honestly do not know that Anakin is Luke's father even if they're familiar with the famous, "I am your father" quote.
That said, whenever a newcomer asks what order should I watch the films, I give a bit of a different answer. Instead of watching the originals then the prequels, or watching in sequential order, my usual recommendation is to start with episodes 4 & 5 then after learning Vader is Luke's father, watch all 3 prequels to learn who vader was before he became the sith we all know and love. After that, watch episode 6. This gives so much more suspense because now, you have context of the man Luke is trying to save and honestly makes all the tension in episode 6 all the more palpable.
38:48 *casually ignores postpartum depression*
the depression seemed to come from her husband becoming evil, not so much the childbirth
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So you win a new follower and I'm eager to view what else there is on your channel. Thanks !
The problem isn’t that Palpatine’s plan makes no sense, it’s that you don’t get it cause Sequel fans don’t look deeper into things like this. When looking into his plan, it’s actually very clever especially since he controls both sides of the war. Dooku also isn’t the kind of Sith to just kill Palpatine where he sat, he only really wanted what was best for the Jedi. I wish they expanded on this a bit more in the Prequels, but at least things like this could still be inferred with expanded material. It’s also better than the Disney Trilogy where you have to read like 100+ books just to get what’s going on, and even then, that trash fire of a trilogy still makes no sense.
The classic “I don’t get it,” I should add this to the list
@@thegoldman25 Bruh, don’t even try, people like you say the same thing when we Disney Trilogy (or Sequel Trilogy since you didn’t get it last time) haters bring up how the Last Jedi makes no sense, and they bring up the “We don’t get the Last Jedi LOL”, when in actuality, The Disney Trilogy doesn’t get Star Wars at all. So if your planing on saying that’s a straw man argument on my side for why the Prequels are good, you’re a hypocrite.😡 If you’re able to use the “We don’t get it” argument, we can too Fool’s Gold.
@@PizzaMan879my thoughts too. And nearby the end he calls us ignorant, when actually plenty of us went exactly through that, defending the Prequels since the very first moment. Receiving all sorts of insults and whatnot. I feel annoyed I even came across this channel. And no, all the 3 Prequel filma are great. I honestly like how that story flows way better than the OT.
@@barbarianjk2355 Same here👍🏻
I hate both the sequel trilogy and the prequels. It’s dumb
if you’re wondering why anakin didn’t leave the Jedi, this is answered in the movies. 1. he promised his mother and padme that he will be a great/powerful jedi. 2. “ALL WHO GAIN POWER ARE AFRAID OF LOSING IT……. EVEN THE JEDI” a quote from palpatine himself when speaking to ANAKIN
One of the biggest issues with the Disney Trilogy (No, I’m not calling it the Sequel Trilogy) is the lack of context between what happens between the OT and the DT. Really think about it, The prequels didn’t really have this problem due to where it left off. The audience is easily capable of piecing things together, and if not, things like The Force Unleashed or Andor (Depending on Continuity) expand on things such as the rise of the Rebellion. The Sequels don’t really have this luxury due to the OT not setting anything up for afterwards. I don’t George for this due to him not really fully planning out a ST himself and opting for ending everything in ROTJ. The Sequels don’t go in-depth with things such as the rise of the first order or Luke’s/Jake’s fall from Grace. I mean, it kinda did, but it doesn’t give us context into why he would do something so out of character. We needed context and world building in the Trilogy itself. The only real stuff that even closely touches on this is the comics, but let’s be honest, who reads nowadays. The Show’s aren’t helping either, given they focus on characters besides the OT cast or DT cast and what brought them their. Most of the time, they feel like they’re ignoring them, making them feel more pointless than they already are.
idk what the DT is
@@thegoldman25 it’s short for Disney Trilogy, sorry for not making that clearer
Your rant about Palpatine not being killed or traded as hostage does not make sense to be honest.
The separatists captured him literally minutes before the start of the movie. They're not going to kill him, because obviously they would want to use him as a hostage - that's why he's on the ship, and not dead in his office.
They can't be trading Palpatine for the right to secession, because they literally just captured him, and still haven't left the planet, and there's a battle going on.
They could trade him later, when they left, maybe even after the secession papers were signed.
They're still there, because there's a battle going on. There's a massive separatist fleet right over the Capital planet of the republic. What are they going to do? Just run away (and leave all the other ships and troops there) or maybe they'd rather stay and fight - because they can fucking win the war by capturing the capital.
I never thought about any of this before, and wrote this comment in like a minute
The thing about his turn to the dark side that too many people seem to overlook is that the dark side of the force is a active ethereal power with somewhat a will of its own once given into so that's why he could make such a dramatic turn because he didn't just be like ok now I'm a bad guy he literally pledged himself to a Sith Lord as his master and became consumed and overwhelmed by the dark side.
That is the point of the name change because he literally became a different person through a dark side rebirth.
24:28 To be fair, Darth Vader did the very same thing in ROTJ. He tells Luke "Your thoughts betray you." Its been established that those with strong feelings towards others, particularly concern and worry, make their feelings clear in the force due to a lack of control. And on top of it, Luke and Anakin wear their hearts on their sleeves, despite their best efforts. Their feelings are basically exposed nerves in the force. Even if the specific people they worry for arent clear, its fair to assume that any non-force user would be able to read their expressions and see that theyre troubled.
I watch RotS at least once a year and it’s almost timeless imo. It’s one of those few movies that feels genuine, especially when you compare to modern star wars movies. We’ve all felt like the concluding movie in a series has felt a little lackluster but i think ep 3 is one of those that makes you still feel the stakes and the emotion no matter how many times you watch it. No matter how many times i watch it, i still think that maybe this time, anakin will arrest palpatine, maybe he’ll just stay at the temple, maybe he’ll listen mace windu during the fight with sidious
Fortunately Anakin does what he does, otherwise we wouldn't have the original trilogy. ROTS is one of those movies of which you know that it will end badly even before you watch it. Like you know that in Titanic the ship will hit the iceberg and sink you know that the Jedi will be nearly wiped out and Anakin will inevitably turn to the dark side at the end of ROTS. For me this makes ROTS even better because it doesn't have to rely on some tension and uncertainty about the things to happen.
The good old narrative style of a slow motion trainwreck
31:43 The Jedi have the force so they are inherently better than any non-force user in lightsaber fighting
Greatest starwars film
Dude I agree completely about the scene where Padmé and Anakin stare out in reflection. The music does wonders to convey the emotion, building upon the performances of the actors. “Padme’s Ruminations” has grown to be maybe my favorite track from this film in recent years.
What you said at the end defines my view of the prequels. I liked them especially the third movie (I love) because of the vision and story George wanted to tell.
I look past the mistakes because I love the vision while understanding it is rough at parts.
Like great tasting cookies that needed to be left in the oven a little longer.
the thing about ankin wanting to be a master. it already impled by the first movie
vader says
obiawan, we meet again at last. when we last met i was the learner now I AM the MASTER"
Looking forward to watching this video🙏🙏
Hope you enjoyed it!