Small Plane Flies UNDER 737 During Landing

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  • @InspiringNotionz
    @InspiringNotionz Рік тому +357

    My Dad designed the first onboard anti aircraft collision device that was patented. It never got produced (as a more state of the art one came along 6 months later), however the company he was working for at the time had paid him $5000 for full patent rights, which was enough to pay off our mortgage.
    So listening to these videos about collision avoidance reminds me of my Dad puttering around in his workshop after dinner.

    • @leeseh7137
      @leeseh7137 Рік тому +20

      What a cool memory!

    • @dancerico283
      @dancerico283 Рік тому +2

      😂😂😅

    • @aimeewank7859
      @aimeewank7859 Рік тому +12

      That’s really sweet. What year about was that? (I’m not doubting you at all, I’m just trying to figure out that $5000 patent money in today’s figures). Honestly that’s really cool. Was your dad ever unhappy about the updated version that got used after he designed one? My hubby is a plumber and has been in touch with some patent lawyers about some ideas and found out that someone else had the same idea and beat him to it. 😂 BUT! He just got a phone call last week from a lawyer about an idea he submitted last year, so , fingers crossed! 🤞🏽 he’s recovering from surgery and not working right now so he could really use the win ❤️‍🩹🙏🏼🤩

    • @InspiringNotionz
      @InspiringNotionz Рік тому

      @@aimeewank7859 It was the 60’s but before 68, so $5000 was enough to pay off our mortgage. I got to see my Dad on local PBS TV talking about it but I was less than 10.

    • @alecmullaney7957
      @alecmullaney7957 Рік тому +9

      I wish i could get a 5k mortgage

  • @timbacchus
    @timbacchus 2 роки тому +580

    As a small plane owner and pilot. Over the years I have learned never to argue with a controller on the radio in a busy airport someone might have an emergency and cannot get on radio because you are on.

    • @michaelszczys8316
      @michaelszczys8316 2 роки тому +27

      Yeah, it's not CB radios, it's AIRPLANES

    • @nicholi2789
      @nicholi2789 Рік тому +29

      @@michaelszczys8316 they cannot broadcast simultaneously on the same frequency.
      Accidents have happened in the past because someone was talking to ATC while another pilot was broadcasting a message with important information.

    • @michaelszczys8316
      @michaelszczys8316 Рік тому +15

      @@nicholi2789 right. It's airplane flying business and not just CB radio covering each other up.
      Gotta keep the air clear.

    • @nicholi2789
      @nicholi2789 Рік тому +5

      @@michaelszczys8316 gotcha I thought you were saying it couldn’t happen

    • @Londronable
      @Londronable Рік тому +15

      Not a pilot but just in general, listen to the person with the most information unless you have a damn good reason not to.
      Which is ATC.

  • @zanpsimer7685
    @zanpsimer7685 Рік тому +124

    I’m a military sci fi writer and for atmospheric flying this channel is gold for me. Thanks for helping me understand the physics as a non pilot.

    • @becksullivan4796
      @becksullivan4796 4 місяці тому +5

      Hey there. As a sci fi fan I appreciate the effort of an author to make the details plausible (not always possible-I mean it is sci fi!). I love Kelsey!

    • @QuintonDeLauda
      @QuintonDeLauda 4 місяці тому

      The rise of bs jobs

    • @zanpsimer7685
      @zanpsimer7685 4 місяці тому +3

      @@QuintonDeLauda we love what we do and people love what we do. Enough said.

    • @tommyjudd
      @tommyjudd 13 днів тому

      ​@zanpsimer7685 can we read your work anywhere? I'm getting more into scifi these days

  • @avestuart
    @avestuart 2 роки тому +1632

    I' m a 400-hour hobby pilot who doesn't always fly as frequently as i'd like. A couple of weeks ago I wanted to get night-current since we're heading into fall/winter and the chance of flying a passenger friend into darkness increases. During my three take-offs and landings, there was an Embraer 175 regional jet inbound on a long final and the controller told me that I was cleared to land if I could turn base on the numbers and descend quickly. He also quickly added, "no stop/go, i'll need you to exit the runway immediately". I was already abeam the numbers at 1600 feet and I saw the Embraer coming in. I would have had to do a serious diving-turn. I hadn't flown in a while and wasn't sure I was up for the rushed challenge, so I told tower I had the Embraer in sight and asked for a right 360 turn instead. I think I made the right decision and everyone turned-out happy.

    • @noname-zg8lh
      @noname-zg8lh 2 роки тому +316

      If an air traffic controller gives you an instruction that is safe for them, but unsafe for you, just decline to do what they ask. YOU are the Pilot in Command. Not ATC.

    • @coreymcdonald7745
      @coreymcdonald7745 2 роки тому +169

      Good call. You as PIC are allowed to decline an ATC instruction if you feel it’s unsafe to do so.

    • @MrMarkguth
      @MrMarkguth 2 роки тому +99

      Agree, you made the right choice, night is not the time for steep turns and rushed landings, the controllers supervisor should council that guy

    • @tomriley5790
      @tomriley5790 2 роки тому +69

      Absolutely good call - look at all the stall spin accidents that happen from low speed turns add in night time, time pressure absolutely not a good idea. Controller probably thought he was doing you a favour to get you on the ground quicker but absolutely the right decision at your end.

    • @Heyemeyohsts
      @Heyemeyohsts 2 роки тому +66

      I was in a 172 pulling up to the hold short line to do my runup before take off, and the controller wanted me to take off if i was ready because there was a jet on final. I said no, i am not ready. then there was like 5 more small jets and airlines. I was sitting there for a while. but I am glad I did , i hate taking off fast and having that feeling like I am forgetting something. But I wish I could have been speedier on the runup and had been ready

  • @nicolebarbee4619
    @nicolebarbee4619 2 роки тому +251

    I was flying into DFW yesterday on final descent when all the engines started to rev. Some of the other passengers got really nervous, but I knew immediately "Oh we have to do a go around". I didn't even know what a go around was until I started watching your videos and it was definitely the first time I had ever experienced one. We were later told we had gotten a little too close to the plane landing ahead of us and the tower had directed the go around. It was definitely a cool experience seeing everything work exactly as it should to keep everyone safe.

    • @MikeTheSeeker1961
      @MikeTheSeeker1961 Рік тому +3

      Very cool. Thank you for sharing this

    • @bozohunter9975
      @bozohunter9975 Рік тому +5

      @@endokrin7897 lmfao

    • @honordeiss3335
      @honordeiss3335 Рік тому

      24:06 z Xi

    • @neodonkey
      @neodonkey 6 місяців тому +6

      Had a flight from Poland to the UK sat next to a really nervous flyer. Captain goes on the PA and said they just took delivery, the plane was 30 days old and celebrating its first flight with passengers. Lady next to me grimaces and says "is that a good thing?" and I'm like "eh..." and do a little wavy hand gesture. As we come into to land Captain announces he will be letting the F/O land as "its his first landing with passengers." Woman next to me is going gray at this point. Then we do our first go around. Feel the engines kick in hard and start climbing, I'm like "this is interesting", I think we got something like "slightly lost sight of the runway there", came in again then we did ANOTHER go around. Can't remember reason this time. At this point lady next to me snaps and says "GET THIS F***ING THING ON THE GROUND!" I think she might have grabbed onto my wrist by the second go around! Was almost 20 years ago but it stands out.

    • @infojo101
      @infojo101 5 місяців тому +2

      I understand. I got sooo excited when having a bumpy descent and landing into a hot Malaga airport from Paris and we had a touch down go around. I looked like the crazy lady pumping my fist and ticking off a check box in my head. My friend had no idea we hadn’t landed….

  • @Synthfidel
    @Synthfidel 2 роки тому +281

    This exact same issue, happened to me in Houston, while doing freeway traffic reports, many years ago. I’m in a Cessna 172 N8KE, flying North up I45, through IAH controlled airspace. Tower told us to look for a Continental heavy that was on approach. We saw the aircraft, reported a visual, maintained a safe distance, went well behind him, but the heavy still called missed approach. The pilot of the heavy was very sarcastic on the radio, and IAH ordered me to land at Hooks, and call them. I was scared to death, not because of my flying, but because I have never had anything like this happen before, and I was humiliated by someone with far more flight experience. Called the tower, and the controller asked me two questions. Did I maintain a safe distance from the other aircraft, to which I responded yes, and was I training, which I was. If that pilot happens to read this someday, I’m sorry you felt the need to call your missed approach, but it wasn’t for anything I did…

    • @danielch6662
      @danielch6662 Рік тому +57

      The problem is the vague/wrong instruction from the tower. Instead of saying "maintain a safe distance", they should have said maintain x-miles distance north of the other plane so that their TCAS don't trigger. "A safe distance" is actually smaller than the distance TCAS required. Tower shouldn't ask for one thing and expect pilots to read their mind and do something else. The tower knows how far the separation needs to be. The 737 pilots knew. Pipeline 351 did not, and in fact didn't need to. The tower should have told Pipeline 351 what the minimum separation they needed.

    • @eonarose
      @eonarose Рік тому +8

      Given that the southwest plane and the Cessna were more or less moving towards each other, was the Cessna pilot supposed turn away?

    • @MeCooper
      @MeCooper Рік тому +16

      @@souleymaneelouardi5513 I actually really enjoy the comments that come up on this channel. Sure they're sometimes a little bit long or whatever but that is just because they're actually real experiences. It isn't just random people trying to sound cool so everything is short and stylized. It's real people talking like real people about their real experiences.
      tl;dr At least it's not BS

    • @interestedparty00
      @interestedparty00 Рік тому +6

      The controller clearly told her to stay north. To me, that means that she shouldn’t have crossed underneath him at all. The controller could have said, “stay west and north” but I think his instruction was clear enough.

    • @georgebooth2005
      @georgebooth2005 8 місяців тому

      Kelsey, Save Me A Seat if we're ever going APOLITIC!!!
      😱🤔😬🤬🤣
      george
      😎🤿🦈🦑🇺🇸
      TEXAS

  • @mortanicus5871
    @mortanicus5871 2 роки тому +571

    I like the way the entire system, including the collision-avoidance procedures, worked together to ensure everyone landed safely in this situation. Great demonstration of how it all works.

    • @Kalvinjj
      @Kalvinjj 2 роки тому +27

      After the 2001 JAL near miss, TCAS/RAs take absolute priority, regardless of what the controller says even. If the aircraft tells you to climb and the controller tells you to descend, you climb. On that incident in question, both TCAS instructed correctly, one to climb, the other to descent, but the aircraft told to climb by TCAS was told to descent by ATC, and complied to ATC.
      In the situation of the Southwest flight it might have been too sensitive, but the Southwest pilots definitely aren't gonna risk it and just wing it.

    • @mortanicus5871
      @mortanicus5871 2 роки тому +14

      @@Kalvinjj I agree the SW pilots made a sound and professional decision in initiating the go-around.

    • @Skinflaps_Meatslapper
      @Skinflaps_Meatslapper 2 роки тому +16

      @@nearlynormal2293 Right? I mean, they were being entirely professional up to the point where the captain turned into a Karen and wanted to talk to a manager.

    • @balesjo
      @balesjo 2 роки тому +8

      I can imagine if the TCAS system was generating the 'pull up' message in response to the Cessna. By the pilot's curt response, I suspect this may not have been his first time experiencing traffic-related problems at Midway.

    • @Skinflaps_Meatslapper
      @Skinflaps_Meatslapper 2 роки тому +5

      @@balesjo Pretty sure everyone who flies into Midway experiences traffic related problems of some variety or another. Good lord that place is busy.

  • @wallyballou7417
    @wallyballou7417 2 роки тому +94

    Years ago, I got cleared through the SFO TCA (yeah, it was that long ago) flying a 172 around 2500 feet about 2 miles off 28L. Had the pleasure of looking down as a DC-10 passed right under me. I swear I could see the pilot giving me the bird. As soon as he passed, he hit the throttle, climbed like a rocket, and gave the controller a piece of his mind!

    • @MikeTheSeeker1961
      @MikeTheSeeker1961 Рік тому +10

      And then you woke up from the weirdest dream ever 😂

    • @neodonkey
      @neodonkey 6 місяців тому +2

      @@MikeTheSeeker1961 If that is a weird dream, then you my friend are incredibly lucky.

  • @haveagoodday9455
    @haveagoodday9455 Рік тому +36

    I would like to thank you for your videos.
    I am a passenger I am not a professional aviator.
    And having a better understanding of what you have to go through helps me be a better Is passenger.
    I found myself starting to be afraid to fly so I wanted to start watching videos to learn more about aviation and what you have to go through.
    Thank you for your professionalism and thank you all for your dedication to aviation.

  • @williamkraft5574
    @williamkraft5574 2 роки тому +136

    You did an amazing job explaining how most pilots get their flight hours if not in the military. Explaining about the warning system and everything else is great information.

  • @elinoreberkley8221
    @elinoreberkley8221 Рік тому +10

    As a F-16 pilot I think any landing you walk away from is a good one.

  • @utubeflyer
    @utubeflyer 2 роки тому +108

    I'm a 4000 private pilot - use to commute into Midway weekly in my cirrus SR-22. Been many years since I have been there but remember well them always requesting me to hold 150 kts until the outer marker - which I always did - and had to consistently watch my temps to keep from shock cooling the engine. Heard plenty of frustrated and cantankerous pilots on approach and in the pattern there but always enjoyed the experience. I really don't think the cessna pipeline pilot did anything wrong here. She had good communication, followed the controllers direction, and seemed to be comfortable and in control. This was an ATC issue in my book - it was the towers responsibility to keep the cessna further north to keep from triggering the RA - and he just cut it too close and/or failed to communicate. Just my 2 cents. Love the channel and the content!!!! Keep up the great work!

    • @Muck006
      @Muck006 2 роки тому +14

      Even as a non-pilot this seems like the correct assessment and the tower controller should know better how far left/right, up/down the system looks for collisions and react appropriately. Since most of us are "two-dimensional" (because we have two eyes side-by-side) and the radar screen is 2D as well, it is easier to plot a horizontal evasive course rather than an elaborate "go down to altitude X" to avoid detection by the system.

    • @12345fowler
      @12345fowler 2 роки тому +3

      I seriously wonder if you even watched the video... tower instructed the Cessna to keep north of the incoming traffic.

    • @johnd5398
      @johnd5398 Рік тому +11

      I am not a pilot and have never even flown in an airplane. However, I have watched over 2 UA-cam videos that at least casually mentioned air travel, so I qualify as an expert. I agree that the pipeline pilot did nothing wrong and ATC failed to keep her far enough away from the big jet.

    • @Adamn58
      @Adamn58 Рік тому +5

      I’m a CFII, I think it was a combo of errors by ATC and the PIC. PIC was instructed to stay north, however they shouldn’t have been given instructions that allowed that to be possible.

    • @skayt35
      @skayt35 Рік тому +6

      @@12345fowler and she complied by swinging into a northern direction, if you listened closely. It just wasn't to the TCAS liking. Possibly this swing even cotributed in triggering the RA.

  • @tburda823
    @tburda823 2 роки тому +151

    I love your unbiased assessment of these videos. Entertaining and educational

    • @jerrysanders9101
      @jerrysanders9101 Рік тому

      Ya.. I think I’d be more biased in favor of the airline pilot.. after all they’ve got passengers and such larger jet.. seems like the Cessna should give way like in the water larger/smaller sail/no sail craft right of way.

  • @katekursive1370
    @katekursive1370 Рік тому +7

    Demanding what is essentially a colleague explain their professional decision to you mid-situation is WILD

  • @timothywright2624
    @timothywright2624 2 роки тому +58

    I love that you chose to break down the ATC audio at AFW! I fly out of alliance for a company that does the training and checkrides on the FAA’s aviation safety inspectors. The guy that said “come on man” was one of my coworkers and had an ASI in the plane at that time 😂

    • @davehall8584
      @davehall8584 2 роки тому +4

      LOLOL! awesome! ..happy safe flying!

    • @ReviewsChannel-e4r
      @ReviewsChannel-e4r Рік тому

      Timothy: C'mon man is a well known Biden retort. So he was paraphrasing your friend? lol

    • @aimeewank7859
      @aimeewank7859 Рік тому

      Haha, I FELT THAT “come on, man” in my bones. 🦴 😂Granted, I work in the service industry, but people can try your patience in any job, I liked how he stuck up for Tower. I get the feeling they take a lot of abuse from certain type of pilot, those few rotten apples. ✌🏽😂

    • @fryz
      @fryz 3 місяці тому

      @@ReviewsChannel-e4ryou're retarded

  • @leeleegirl8612
    @leeleegirl8612 2 роки тому +30

    Thanks for the clear explanation. I am not a pilot but a potter in rural Canada. I enjoy learning about other work worlds. Thanks Kelsey!

  • @nearlypastit2385
    @nearlypastit2385 6 місяців тому +11

    I'm a retired Brit who's only just discovered 74 Gear. I don't fly, but have had several goes at the controls of a small Cessna (I worked for a short while in my much younger days on light aircraft maintenance). I find these posts by 74 Gear absolutely fascinating. In his presentation he does something very clever that a lot of people competent in all manner of disciplines overlook. He often takes a break in the narrative to explain a point that whilst being understood intuitively by someone familiar with the relevant terminology, could be in a long forgotten and ancient language for us mere mortals ! An excellent presentatation style which makes what could be a mind-numbing viewing experience to highly enjoyable and educational one. Thank-you. ✈.

  • @jmagner
    @jmagner 2 роки тому +17

    I ALWAYS learn something from your vids. I love that, even though you fly the vaunted 747, you always have some bit of advice or help for us GA pilots. For example, even though I have my instrument rating, none of my instructors ever really taught me how to respond to ATC when they ask questions. Sure, I know to check in with my location, altitude and heading; and how to read back clearances, but what DO you say when they ask if you have traffic in sight and you don't, but have it on your "fish finder" and are tracking it? I was, until today, one of those clumsy radio gobs who keyed the mike and started blabbering, "Uhhhh... I don't see him, but...uh... I have him on TCAS... I'll keep an eye out... Uh, do you want me to turn?" From now on, I know that I should just call back: "Looking, Cessna 1234AB."

  • @markmcgoveran6811
    @markmcgoveran6811 2 роки тому +277

    One of the best things about you Kelsey is you understand the air traffic controller has different information than you have. Too many people have giant egos and they get to be in charge of something and the rest of the world needs to obey them. I'm learning to fly a paraglider and one of the people from my school went to an invitational paragliding flying contest. The contest announced that everybody had to land because the weather was coming through. One paraglider pilot decided not to land he crashed and died laid there for several hours while they were looking for him nobody could find him. I'm absolutely certain that the top meteorologist in the world can't predict the weather better sitting in the seat on a paraglider than a high school kid that likes science sitting at the desk with the weather computer connected to the weather service and set up to monitor this area for conditions dangerous for a paraglider.

    • @islandlife756
      @islandlife756 2 роки тому +42

      Well said. It's like this with policing too. Sometimes people go into that career because they want to be in charge of other people, and that personality type then leads to disaster, usually for the other people. I think it would be a good aspirational goal for society to find better ways of identifying such people before they end up in such roles. And to ID and fire them if it becomes apparent on the job, too.

    • @markmcgoveran6811
      @markmcgoveran6811 2 роки тому +7

      @@islandlife756 yeah I hope to God people like you never get to do that to us. I hope people like you never get to brand us with a prediction. That's how they do it in India if you're born a dog eater you'll be a dog eater all your life you'll be treated like a dog eater and you won't ever be in a position of anything because you're a dog eater. They identify him before they even get any chance at anything. I like to give everybody a try and then if they aren't doing the job fire them.

    • @islandlife756
      @islandlife756 2 роки тому +28

      @@markmcgoveran6811 Pilots and ATC can only enter the job after vetting. That's what I'm referring to. You seem to have misunderstood. *shrug*

    • @gnarthdarkanen7464
      @gnarthdarkanen7464 2 роки тому +1

      @@markmcgoveran6811 If you only ever apply to a job like a police officer so you can threaten and bully other people with impunity, you NEED to be sent away. There's a time to be stern and a time to draw-down and shoot... AND 90% or more of the time, it's ALL about de-escalating the situation instead of trying to stir up trouble for the excuse...
      If you're precious little ego can't handle it, stay home and lock yourself indoors. You are just one little person in a world of 7 or 8 BILLION who have very different ideals, dreams, and aspirations from you. Many of them are just passionate about their work, and YOU can take that as aggressive but you'll be entirely incorrect.
      I hope you eventually manage to get your head out of your ass. When a police officer or pilot "proves he can't do the job" you get a MASS CASUALTY EVENT.
      I call Mass Casualties UNACCEPTABLE as far as "job application" is concerned... AND YOUR "system" for hiring and firing will ONLY EVER create more of them. Congrat's... I guess. ;o)

    • @markmcgoveran6811
      @markmcgoveran6811 2 роки тому

      @@gnarthdarkanen7464 well your discourse proves my point. A long time ago we didn't let just everybody go to college. We had people who were black and we didn't let them go to college. The seats were very economical for the favorites who happen to be white to go to college and get into college educated job and make a lot more money than anybody else. At the time it was thought we could predict who would be good at something and who would not. I am a big fan of testing before we let people have these jobs. You are just a sad old bigot.

  • @cjswa6473
    @cjswa6473 2 роки тому +1

    Good thing about this channel is this guy never needs, a haircut. Time is money, haste makes waste, speed kills, and we are paid by the hour... Why complain?

  • @kcpilot63
    @kcpilot63 2 роки тому +22

    Hi Kelsey, I really enjoy your channel and the content you provide.

    • @Anna_Xor
      @Anna_Xor 2 роки тому

      ​@@Wolfwent79 Yes, just report them for spam!

    • @BigBand1942
      @BigBand1942 Рік тому

      Does anyone KNOW if he did a Video on the ground crew guy (in Seattle) who stole a Plane and committed suicide?
      Thanks in advance for any input.....
      Keep safety first in flight!

  • @ValidityJ
    @ValidityJ Рік тому +13

    I flew into Midway just 2 weeks ago. Couldn't believe the pilot. BEAUTIFUL landing! I mean any landing where we're not crashing or you can walk away from is a great landing, but this landing at Midway was like buttah. I was very impressed.

  • @melvincibi8219
    @melvincibi8219 2 роки тому +11

    Kelsey watching you videos finally convinced me to put my life on pause and become an airline pilot I do my first solo today thank you so much

    • @j_taylor
      @j_taylor 2 роки тому +2

      That's exciting! I hope you enjoyed your solo!

  • @ProfPoindexter1968
    @ProfPoindexter1968 2 роки тому +12

    I've been the low time Cessna pilot on short final, looking at a huge airliner filling my rearview mirror. Scary! I was SO grateful for a controller who advised me to make a short turn-off, even though it was hard to do.

  • @subarachnoidalblutung7409
    @subarachnoidalblutung7409 2 роки тому +37

    Very glad I found this channel. My Dad's a big fan of aviation and I never quite understood why, but now I can see that it really is a very interesting topic. Thank you for showing us how things at the airport and in the planes work, Kelsey.

  • @markaroneck8629
    @markaroneck8629 Рік тому +3

    Just accepted a CJO with Atlas! Looking forward to meeting you someday

    • @ClearedAsFiled
      @ClearedAsFiled Рік тому

      Awesome career and job.....congratulations

  • @ArchGBUStanton
    @ArchGBUStanton 2 роки тому +150

    My hardest landing as a passenger was on Delta landing at Midway. I remember the buildings are so close to the runaway that we could see occupants of the apartments. We landing really, really rough and then the stewardess came on and said, "In case you haven't guessed, we've landed in Chicago" as everyone laughed. Then shortly after the pilot came on and apologized and said, "Umm yes, sorry folks, that was my hardest landing ever" and welcomed us to Chicago.

    • @michaelhart7569
      @michaelhart7569 2 роки тому +37

      I'm not a frequent flyer but have occasionally enjoyed the dry humour of the cabin crew. The first time was when the choice of two meals was being announced, chicken or beef. " We cannot guarantee your first choice but we can guarantee your second choice". Many passengers chuckled.

    • @shadowbeast2276
      @shadowbeast2276 2 роки тому +1

      That's crazy. I believe it. But it's crazy

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      @papalaz4444244 2 роки тому

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      @michaelhart7569 2 роки тому +11

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    • @mediocreman2
      @mediocreman2 2 роки тому +3

      Had a crab landing there during weather and it was a hard one too. Helps to know why now.

  • @IndianaDiecastRacing
    @IndianaDiecastRacing 2 роки тому +12

    Key lesson of today: it helps no one to cop an attitude with ATC

  • @Max-xd9tc
    @Max-xd9tc 2 місяці тому

    watching your videos as i study to become a pilot is pretty cool, because i can start to finish your sentences and understand what youre talking about. its like a checkpoint to see how my trainings going.

  • @thedevilinthecircuit1414
    @thedevilinthecircuit1414 2 роки тому +36

    Kelsey, your videos and analyses are So Dang Instructive! They should be included in formal pilot training classes. Thank you, Captain.

    • @CharlieOkeson
      @CharlieOkeson 2 роки тому +3

      I've been thinking exactly that. He'd be an excellent instructor. He explains things from all angles. 👍

    • @gelatinous6915
      @gelatinous6915 2 роки тому +3

      He's an FO, but he needs a promotion if you ask me :P

  • @cstrick
    @cstrick 8 місяців тому

    Kelsey you are much like other pilots I've met. There is a self effacing calmness, that seems innate and a professionalism that inspires confidence. At one point in my career I chartered small float planes to visit points along British Columbia's Pacific Coast. All the pilots I met shared similar personality facets throughout that time and the events that we faced. As well over many years flying in N. American and Europe on many flights that comfortable competence was featured on a number of serious moments in the the air. After a fully loaded DC9's right engine destroyed itself on take-off. The calm voice from the cockpit outlined the diversion, the fuel dump was exceptional. On another occasion a BA flight landing at Heathrow suddenly begins to accelerate followed by another calm voice that describes the reason for the go-round. A professionally competent voice is a wonderful thing.

  • @markw1123
    @markw1123 2 роки тому +6

    The Cessna is a high wing airplane. Keeping visual separation is only possible if the traffic is in front. Once the traffic goes off to the side its no longer visible if it's at a higher altitude.

  • @your_royal_highness
    @your_royal_highness 2 роки тому +8

    In the late 1980’s I got my license and flew out of Midway (this was before MDW became a real commercial hub again, as it was in the 1930’s to 1970 or so). I came in on a right base to a parallel runway from a commercial jet. That plane was on a final from a left base. It was perfectly safe, but a little weird as the two runways are pretty close to each other. MDW is a strange place, that is for sure. Amazing there have been so few incidents with all that commercial traffic.

  • @andyschwarm
    @andyschwarm 2 роки тому +94

    I lived this! Many years ago I was flying into Atlanta on a wide-body jet. I was sitting forward of the wing, port side. We were on final final, maybe 1000 feet up and I saw a single-engine plane slide in from the left right into our glide path. Nose came up, full power pull-out to go around. The Captain came on the PA right away, he said, "I'm sorry about that, some fool in a Cessna took our glide path and I assure you, I will clip that guy's ticket."

    • @AdamSilverBurner
      @AdamSilverBurner Рік тому +2

      What does “clipping his ticket” mean

    • @StillPooh62
      @StillPooh62 Рік тому +10

      @@AdamSilverBurner getting his pilot’s license removed.

    • @AdamSilverBurner
      @AdamSilverBurner Рік тому

      @@StillPooh62 oh thanks, should’ve guessed that

    • @scarybaldguy
      @scarybaldguy Рік тому +10

      @@StillPooh62 Which the ATP has no authority to do, BTW. He can file an ASRS report but he himself has no enforcement ability with FAA.

    • @crazedmonk8u
      @crazedmonk8u Рік тому +9

      @@scarybaldguy yeah it's a badass thing to say in the moment, but that's not going to happen. best thing to happen is you file the report, the pilot gets knocked for mandatory re-training on the situation so it doesn't happen again.

  • @enigmawyoming5201
    @enigmawyoming5201 2 роки тому +188

    947K subscribers!! Seems like only a couple of months ago you hit the big 747. Great job Kelsey!!

    • @pattyhaley9594
      @pattyhaley9594 2 роки тому +2

      I noticed that too. Not surprising at all to me.

    • @Ice_Karma
      @Ice_Karma 2 роки тому +5

      950K subscribers just six days later. At this rate, not quite 17 days!

    • @me4698
      @me4698 2 роки тому +3

      Just keep spreading the word. This is a great channel.

    • @cap1130
      @cap1130 2 роки тому +2

      @@Ice_Karma 958k 2 weeks later. Wow

    • @Ice_Karma
      @Ice_Karma 2 роки тому +1

      @@cap1130 Yeah, the rate of new subscriptions dropped off.

  • @jukkaruoti6243
    @jukkaruoti6243 2 роки тому +1

    Yes, these are uncomfortable things to happen. Few years ago, I was approaching LAX 25L with a B777 and it was night time. ATC gave me same kind of advisory of some helicopter traffic crossing from south to north ahead and below me. And the helicopter pilot told us that he had us in sight. But it still made me quite uncomfortable having that TCAS giving me TA's, while I was desperately trying to make a visual contact with that helo. I had my finger already on TO/GA switches and I would have executed a go around in a heart beat, but then I finally saw the helicopter among all highway traffic and other lights on my left side, safe distance away. I made the landing, but it was not very comfortable. So I do feel for those Southwest pilots in your story. Great stuff Kelsey, keep on doing the good work!

  • @PeterJMery-1
    @PeterJMery-1 2 роки тому +4

    I love this guy, I learn so much from him, things I never learned in flight school. Thank You Brother.!!!

  • @PghGameFix
    @PghGameFix 2 роки тому +11

    I don't know why the 172 would want to be anywhere close to the bigger jet. When I had 20 hr's under my belt... I was flying out of Chino, and I flew under a large jet going into Ontario. It was UGLY and I was flipped over twice before getting back on path. I was honestly lucky to live to tell the story. This was in '92, and I was training in a 152, and was at night.. so we didn't have anything in the plane to give me a warning like we do now. (ADS-b)

    • @CrossWindsPat
      @CrossWindsPat 2 роки тому +4

      Flipped over... Like actually inverted twice?!?!

    • @PghGameFix
      @PghGameFix 2 роки тому +8

      @@CrossWindsPat Yep. It was scary as a student pilot. I was over my practice aria, and the jet wasn't much above me.

  • @jrshivley
    @jrshivley 2 роки тому

    Thanks!

  • @arkansasboy45
    @arkansasboy45 2 роки тому +12

    Can't help but binge watch these videos. Thanks Kelsey!

  • @Treehouse-b9p
    @Treehouse-b9p 2 місяці тому

    I am flying 50 years and am the chief pilot flying biz jets for the company. i truly enjoy your videos. Nice job Cap…

  • @GasCityGuy
    @GasCityGuy 2 роки тому +4

    I work in a transportation office that coordinates 165 truck drivers. I recognized that grumpy, ‘Forgotten where I came from’ tone instantly.

  • @davecasey4341
    @davecasey4341 Рік тому +1

    When the pipeline pilot said, "I'm probably going to fly under him" I would have expected the controller to have a Merlin reaction and yell, "You're gonna do what?"

  • @webcucciolo
    @webcucciolo 2 роки тому +95

    Thank YOU Kelsey!!
    On another channel I commented about TCAS, pilot load during landing, different visual and distance management for small plane and large jets, and everybody including pilots were bashing me and were saying that Cessna pilot didn't do anything wrong and 737 pilot was just an a**hole. Thank you for explaining this better than I could do

    • @kenbrown2808
      @kenbrown2808 2 роки тому +17

      I can see an argument that the Cessna pilot didn't think they were doing anything wrong, and the 737 pilot was grumpy. but in the end it was the 737 pilot's prerogative to call for a go around; as explained. I think the pilot would have sounded a bit less petulant if he'd said, "make a note, we'd have come too close to the cessna."

    • @UnshavenStatue
      @UnshavenStatue 2 роки тому +21

      Cessna didn't do anything wrong AND the 737 is NOT an asshole (tho slightly grumpy). Nobody did anything wrong really, it was just a tough spot for all of them

    • @CyanPhoenix_
      @CyanPhoenix_ 2 роки тому +8

      The important thing is that no one did anything wrong, but both pilots can learn something from what happened - the Cessna can learn that giving a bit more space to bigger jets is needed for them to avoid RAs and helps everything go smoother for everyone, and the 737 pilot can learn to be a bit less grumpy :P

    • @Bad_Wolf_Media
      @Bad_Wolf_Media 2 роки тому +13

      I'm not a pilot, haven't even been on a plane for years, but the Cessna pilot was doing exactly as they were told by control. If the SW pilot has a concern, he needs to take it up with control and not put a finger on the Cessna pilot. Jumping in on the channel when your copilot was handling the radio to have a little bitch-session may not be wrong per se, but it definitely comes across as unprofessional. The other guy on the radio was handling it calmly and coolly, there's no reason the complain couldn't have waiting until they had already gone around and parked.
      I get it. He was aggravated. But venting over the air like that is just a bit petulant.

    • @hewhohasnoidentity4377
      @hewhohasnoidentity4377 2 роки тому

      @@CyanPhoenix_ the Cessna was given instructions and those instructions were followed. The pipeline pilot was not given a series of options to choose from. They were given specific instructions. They did what they were told. I'll say none of the pilots did anything wrong but you are the asshole for trying to put the blame on the Cessna when they literally did what they were told to do.

  • @sephiroth4543
    @sephiroth4543 Рік тому +1

    I love this channel ❤️

  • @zed9zed
    @zed9zed 2 роки тому +6

    Your insights into what each party may be thinking are very informative. It's easy to identify with one party and think the others are wrong, but given both perspectives it makes more sense (even if one party is not happy).

  • @robertrichter3033
    @robertrichter3033 Рік тому +8

    Years ago (probably about 2000) I was at St George, Utah and watched a small single engine plane take off and fly directly under a SkyWest plane coming in the opposite direction for landing. Scared me to death watching it, but I had no radio and no idea if they knew about each other and maintained visual separation.

  • @michaelmakau6833
    @michaelmakau6833 2 роки тому +6

    Great one Kelsey! Very important lessons on landing shared on this upload! Much appreciated as always.

  • @fightingfalconfan
    @fightingfalconfan Рік тому +1

    The way I see it; ATC owns the airspace around these airports. Basically you do what they ask. If they want you on a slightly different runway because another plane is coming in then do it. They are just doing their job to keep both of you safe. The bigger plane could easily knock out the little Cessna. So the pilot of that plane gave attitude that wasn't called for. ATC didn't have to give him landing clearance either.

  • @ClearedAsFiled
    @ClearedAsFiled 2 роки тому +28

    Kelsey.... Thank you SO MUCH FOR all the hard work you have done to post these videos 👌.... I look forward to them each week and during the week I revisit your video library 👀

    • @daveroche6522
      @daveroche6522 2 роки тому

      So true. Yet there are STILL certain braindead bumfluffs who still don't/won't believe Kelsey's an actual pilot (B747 for Chrisakes)! Go figure.

    • @HannahRoot55
      @HannahRoot55 2 роки тому

      Uncle Martin 😒

  • @jimhyslop
    @jimhyslop 6 місяців тому +1

    Your description of pipeline flying experience highlights the difference between "five years experience" and "one year experience repeated five times."

  • @richardchen3752
    @richardchen3752 2 роки тому +34

    Given the short runways at Midway, it sounds like the Southwest pilots made the right call. Every time I've landed there, the pilots have set thrust reversers to full as soon as the wheels hit the runway to stop in time.

  • @ginnyjollykidd
    @ginnyjollykidd Рік тому

    Traffic control is fascinating to me! And I like listening to your commentary.
    I understand that landing an aircraft is the most difficult part of flying. I like seeing how the controller keeps everything on an even keel.

  • @grumpybear741
    @grumpybear741 2 роки тому +71

    Pipeline flying is much better flight time than you might think. We fly all day long below 1000agl and have to avoid antennas, birds, terrain and other aircraft while also observing the pipeline. I doubt many pilots that don't fly pipeline surveys would know how to perform 60 or 70 degree bank turns on a very regular basis. You get really good on the rudders!

    • @BootyGoblinesque
      @BootyGoblinesque Рік тому +9

      Hm, I can see how that might be helpful when it comes to stuff like aerial firefighting but I think maybe the point is the kind of flight experience you get from that isn't as helpful if your goal is to fly very large passenger/cargo planes. I'm not a pilot, I don't know, that's just the impression I got from what he's saying and it makes sense to me if it's true that pipeline pilots don't really fly and have to navigate in IFR conditions or at night etc.

    • @robclarkson3697
      @robclarkson3697 Рік тому +7

      I get Kelsey's point but don't entirely agree with him. I have a friend that fly's for a major airline and has been flying for decades. His biggest complaint with this generation of pilots is they can't fly the plane. They are reliant on the computers. He said he will often request a change of runway from L to R so it's closer to the gate. The newer pilots have to start punching buttons instead of just moving over to the other run way and landing. He can't correct them because that's what the airline wants them to do. If shit hits the fan I would prefer a pilot that can fly the plane.

    • @TheLumberJacked
      @TheLumberJacked Рік тому +4

      I agree, it’s a different kind of flying almost like a bush pilot in a perpetual approach. That’s I used to describe it. Pipeline pilots are stick and rudder guys through and through and it’s not easy. Ya the crank and banks are a blast.

    • @ALSNewsNow
      @ALSNewsNow 5 місяців тому

      Yep yank and bank

  • @steves8292
    @steves8292 8 місяців тому

    Wow, what a goat rope at MDW, which is not uncommon, and I've flown in and out of there in 737s, small Beechcraft (Bonanzas and Barons). Often the controllers don't realize the capabilities and requirements of small planes. The 737 guy could have easily landed, as there is no requirement to follow an RA when traffic is in sight and in the approach phase. The pipeline gal was spot on and knew what she was doing. She also could have descended below 1200 if needed, which wasn't, but she was smart enough to avoid wake turbulence.
    The controller on the second Cessna really gave him a raw deal (but there could me more to the story). Yes, the 360 could have been avoided as well as the go around. And he was wise to insist on avoiding the wake turbulence and his right to do so, as you mention.
    GREAT WORKS, keep it up

  • @deecal2001
    @deecal2001 2 роки тому +46

    I really appreciate your videos. Especially when you break down the Pilots work load.
    You wouldn’t believe how many times I’ve been asked by passengers to have the Pilots call ahead and hold their connecting flight etc. It’s always when we were about to land or on the ground. If they only knew how busy it is for the pilots during that phase. Thankfully since Wi-Fi is available we can reach out to our company ourselves.

    • @JetFuelnSawDust
      @JetFuelnSawDust 2 роки тому +8

      What’s funny, is that the customers think we have that kind of control or say. We’re just two numbers, driving a single bus, among a large group of other numbers driving buses. Much like we don’t have the time to deal with that stuff, management doesn’t care to hear us calling them about a few pax connections. Especially when they already know, being that all pax info is in the system.
      Also, if the guy in the Cessna doesn’t appreciate the fact that the controller was potentially saving his life, let him pay the price and hit the wake. It’ll be the last time he ever does that!

    • @deecal2001
      @deecal2001 2 роки тому +1

      @@JetFuelnSawDust So true!! I used to fly on the ATRs out of ORD. I remember a couple times we hit wake turbulence. I was standing on both occasions. More like I was standing. 🤣

    • @JetFuelnSawDust
      @JetFuelnSawDust 2 роки тому

      @@deecal2001 what was a cabin jumpseat like in the ATR? We’re you on the 42 or 72? A few years ago, I was looking at trying to get to one of the Bahamas islands but was worried the jumpseat on the 72 was going to be unbearable, and it was…

    • @deecal2001
      @deecal2001 2 роки тому

      @@JetFuelnSawDust I flew on both. I haven’t been on one since 97 but would guess about same size as a 737 or A320? MD88 def smaller.
      Plus on the ATR the boarding door is in the aft. Once you walk through the cabin the door opens to the front cargo hold and there is a pathway to the cockpit doors. Which is nice compared to mainline where you have a traffic jam when js rider trying to meet and talk to the Pilots.

    • @deecal2001
      @deecal2001 2 роки тому +5

      @@JetFuelnSawDust This would’ve been a great video for Kelsey but it’s too old…. when I was flying the ATRs a buddy of mine was the FO on ATR72 that had taken off from ORD. So there is 2 FA. One JS at the front of the cabin and one in the aft. The FWD JS was inop so the FA was in a pass seat. The aft FA was brand new and on takeoff she was scared she hadn’t closed the door properly due to a lot of noise. She unbuckled herself and pulled the door handle, the door opened and was ripped off the airplane! The alarm went off in the cockpit and they called the cabin. The FWD FA couldn’t see the new FA so she told the pilots she was gone. They thought she had been sucked out. Actually the last row of pass were able to reach and pull her into their row. It wasn’t until they landed that they knew she was alive!! Incredible!

  • @xDR1TeK
    @xDR1TeK Рік тому +1

    I don't know how people do this, feels like magic. But, it's fun watching these videos. Maybe something would stick and be useful somehow. I'm not into aviation.

  • @angryrick2330
    @angryrick2330 2 роки тому +3

    I just started in the flight sim experience and let me say...I JUST found your videos and I LOVE how you not only make it entertaining but educational. Great stuff Kelsey appreciate it.

  • @kevinmacdowell5420
    @kevinmacdowell5420 2 роки тому +8

    Loved the video.
    I was wondering...I'm originally from San Diego (although now retired in Dallas).
    I would like to get your take on the crash of PSA 182 on September 25, 1978. A horrific story and I understand it prompted some big changes in the airline industry.
    Thanks for doing a great job!

    • @lisarehagen4201
      @lisarehagen4201 2 роки тому +4

      Yes, I couldn't help but think of PSA 182 after watching this video - a Cessna 172 under a B727. Of course, this occured in the days before TCAS. I think the Southwest pilots were right to be irritated in this particular instance.

    • @upgrayedd9732
      @upgrayedd9732 2 роки тому +6

      @@lisarehagen4201 The difference is that PSA never saw the 172, and they were looking for him but they just couldn't find him as they were above and slightly behind him and the smaller plane would be difficult to spot. In this case both airplanes saw each other and maintained visual seperation, but the computer chimed in that it felt uncomfortable. TCAS is a great system but it errs on the side of caution and airline and maybe FAA rules mandate that RA's be followed - even in the case of positive visual seperation in VFR.

    • @lisarehagen4201
      @lisarehagen4201 2 роки тому +1

      @@upgrayedd9732 You are correct. I had forgotten that PSA never saw 172. I had to go back and read the details of that accident after reading your comment. Thank you for that reminder.

  • @lasercass
    @lasercass 2 роки тому +2

    Funny that as I was watching the video, youtube crashed and I went looking at linkedin waiting for my tv to restart, and first thing I saw was this article about a company doing exactly the pipeline monitoring using new cool hyperspectral cameras, allowing the pilot to "just" fly the plane. How cool is that.

  • @jimmydulin928
    @jimmydulin928 2 роки тому +3

    You did a good job, I think, with covering the airliner's point of view and TCAS. Concerning pipeline pilots, we are mostly old and my 17,000 hours at 200' or below crop dusting and with waiver on pipelines was actually a low number of hours. At 1200' around Midway, I agree that this pipeline pilot was not as experienced as most. I flew her pipeline down the ditch north of Midway and then cross to the south, but at 200' AGL. The controller also had less experience with pipeline, I think. We cross most large airports and even take jet fuel lines to between the parallel runways and 180 back at some. I see your point with TCAS and go around being safer in this case with pipeline at 1200.' However, I have often heard the tower controller (we never enter B, but only D airspace at 200') tell the airliner with TCAS, "He's fifty feet off the trees. He is not traffic." So experience all around helps with knee jerk response where not needed. Where needed, yes, go around. And yes, pipeline can hold off. I have been held off hundreds of times and shot the gap only when the tower controller cleared me between airline traffic. The fit is tight, but a good pipeline pilot and a good controller and airline pilots experienced with pipeline operations can make it happen safely.
    Again, good job with the explanation of the very common situation. For we who fly small airplanes, take it from an old pipeline pilot: we can be separated much easier and much safer when we stay below the upside down wedding cake layer. If VFR and Approach is really busy, get down low and make separation (tower now) a snap. And yes, we can see that busy traffic much better with a blue or grey background rather than with city ground clutter as a background. Imagine finding a pipeline mile post between stop signs and mail boxes. Staying safe sometimes is staying low. Be safe out there and work together. Nothing illustrates how we are all in this together more than a midair.

  • @martinda7446
    @martinda7446 2 роки тому +1

    Really wonderful entertaining vid. Thanks 74Gear, much appreciated. So nice to listen to you, it is really a delight. Very funny 737 pilot too.

  • @mkennedy0
    @mkennedy0 2 роки тому +23

    This made me think about a flight I was doing in my Cessna a few weeks ago in our local practice area which happens to be very close to a Charlie airports northern approach corridor. I was at 1500’ and monitoring approach, my position was reported to an incoming 737 and the controller asked them if my altitude would be ok for them…I thought it was weird at the time but it makes total sense now!

    • @rbell7666
      @rbell7666 2 роки тому +5

      Many airlines have rules that they have to follow what TCAS says, even if there is no possible conflict. Some airline pilots are pissyboys about it and blame you, but they are pissy about everything.

    • @seraphina985
      @seraphina985 2 роки тому +2

      @@rbell7666 It's also a legal requirement in order to prevent situations like that mid air collision that happened where one of the aircraft ignored TCAS and followed the controller instead.

    • @patheddles4004
      @patheddles4004 2 роки тому +2

      @@rbell7666 I honestly can't wrap my mind around ignoring a TCAS instruction, unless following the instruction would clearly be more dangerous.

  • @olbartender
    @olbartender 8 місяців тому

    Former puddle jumper pilot and air traffic controller, really enjoy your videos and commentaries.

  • @collateralpigeon2151
    @collateralpigeon2151 2 роки тому +8

    Alliance can be a tricky airport for small aircraft. It's a maintenance hub for American airlines and a distribution hub for FedEx and Amazon. The runways are very long and traffic can range from very light to very congested depending on the day and time. The controllers there have always been good to smaller aircraft when I was flying in there. Despite the sometimes heavy schedule of large aircraft. It is very easy to land long in a light aircraft. The runways are super wide and being in Texas you almost always have pretty good thermals right above them. If I could choose a large airport to learn to fly around larger traffic it would be Alliance.

  • @Jesus_equals_LOVEnForgviness
    @Jesus_equals_LOVEnForgviness 2 роки тому +31

    This video totally explained something to me; the hardest landing I've ever experienced was on a southwest 737 landing at midway. I mean by far the hardest landing and fastest stop I've experienced. Now I know why.

    • @TheSjuris
      @TheSjuris 2 роки тому +6

      SWA is one of the few American Airlines to manage to get into a traffic accident with a car on a road.

    • @ThorOdinson-s8m
      @ThorOdinson-s8m Рік тому +5

      Funny thing is quite a few of them are retired navy fighter pilots. They’re used to hard short landings.

    • @Jesus_equals_LOVEnForgviness
      @Jesus_equals_LOVEnForgviness Рік тому

      @@ThorOdinson-s8m That explains a lot too

    • @heather8307
      @heather8307 11 місяців тому +1

      I think I must have been on that same flight or maybe it's just Midway 😂

  • @eriksenersen
    @eriksenersen Рік тому

    Awesome video and great, unbiased points brought up. Your outlook on the pilot/controller relationship is one that is rarely seen.
    The comments and discussions on this channel pertaining directly to Kelsey's content and aviation are amazing. Its great reading and informative. By no means am I trying to police this channel, In fact all that i'm doing is asking this- If some person exhibiting unwanted, and purposely argumentative commentary comments here. Please don't entertain it. Just don't respond. The 99.999% of reasonable people who watch this channel don't need to waste their time on that. Keep it about aviation.
    I felt the need to comment on youtube for the first time. Sorry.
    Thanks for your content Kelsey.

  • @elizabethturel78
    @elizabethturel78 6 місяців тому +3

    In the Midway situation; ATC was totally at fault. Pipeline traffic should have been 360ed. A loaded airliner having to worry about light aircraft crossing a short runway, is insane. The second situation with the arrogant, bratty pilot in the light aircraft was insane too! Thanks Kelsey for your overview.👍🏻

  • @PatrickDuffy-u3s
    @PatrickDuffy-u3s 8 місяців тому +1

    I'm a new pilot on a 172, I love these posts.

  • @billcuddyer7015
    @billcuddyer7015 2 роки тому +3

    I once had a 727 fly under me and land while I was on a one mile final as cleared by atc. Burbank CA KBUR.
    As an aside, this was my second solo and I had not been taught how to go around with the flaps down. Lucky landed long and had only light wake turbulence.

  • @Chefbriank
    @Chefbriank 8 місяців тому

    I really love your channel Kelcey (sp.) I watch lots of aviation youtube vids because I'm a frustrated never to be pilot! ( I don't even like being this tall) lol
    It's kind of scary how much about flying Iv'e learned about piloting aircraft that will never EVER be used (I PROMISE!!!) I saw a video the othr day on Mentour that discussed a GO AROUND and instantly realized the pilot hadn't hit the TOGA button, right before Petter said " but the pilot didn't hit the Toga button! I was instantly impressed with myself LOL
    Keep up the great work sir I live to see your work! and hope to fly with you but realize it's not likely due to your non commercial passenger assignments(choices)
    Keep the Blue side up my friend!!! 👍

  • @lisarehagen4201
    @lisarehagen4201 2 роки тому +6

    I really appreciate your videos, Kelsey. I'm preparing to earn my PPL and find these ATC v. pilots vids to be insightful. Thank you!

  • @christiangibbs8534
    @christiangibbs8534 7 місяців тому

    I love the way that Kesley explains everything so clearly. It seems to me that this was a problem with the traffic controller not giving clear instructions to the pipeline pilot. He could have said something more specific like "reduce your speed to give him more room" or something like that, instead of "stay north of that traffic." But it's easy to criticize when I don't have the full story.

  • @gcorriveau6864
    @gcorriveau6864 2 роки тому +26

    In Scenario 2 - The Cessna pilot provides a textbook example of how NOT to pilot. sheesh... I'm all for friendly and cooperative negotiating - when conditions permit. There is also a time to comply (safely) and keep quiet. If need be, pilots can also phone the tower later to discuss details. Thanks for covering topics like this, Kelsey.

    • @rbell7666
      @rbell7666 2 роки тому +1

      "Cessna seven golf alpha, can you maintain 100 Kts to the fence?" "Not if I ever want to land, 7GA". "7GA minimum time on the runway". Wind 190 at 26 RWY 19 at LAS. I landed on the numbers and stopped on the numbers (40 flaps). "Tower, how's that?" "7GA off at the high speed, ground point 7. Smart ass." LC then double clicked.

  • @SebSN-y3f
    @SebSN-y3f 4 місяці тому

    Your videos are are always great Kelsey! Thank you very much!

  • @pushband9382
    @pushband9382 2 роки тому +19

    In another life, I'd be a pilot. I LOVE geeking out on this stuff. I always look forward to your videos on Sundays. Thanks for the great content.

    • @rbell7666
      @rbell7666 2 роки тому +1

      Flew a friend to LAS. She had never been there. Planned to arrive at dusk when the lights are coming up. Spectacular. Beautiful red sunset. On base she said: "look! They have Arbys!!!"

    • @dillonyang6869
      @dillonyang6869 2 роки тому

      Woman shouldn't drive cars let alone planes 😒

    • @BootyGoblinesque
      @BootyGoblinesque Рік тому +2

      Why not be a pilot then? Save up some money, start training, get a membership at a flying club and fly some planes. You don't have to go balls to the wall and get your own plane to fly.

  • @plusminusducky5488
    @plusminusducky5488 2 роки тому +2

    As an approach controller you generally want to keep slow traffic close to the airport to not congest you final with slow traffic for too long. So letting a slow aircraft in mixed traffic make a 360 really is a best practice for experienced controllers

  • @ABQSentinel
    @ABQSentinel 2 роки тому +47

    In a Cessna 172, I would be really reluctant to fly underneath the track of a commercial jet for fear of the descending wake turbulence.

    • @CrossWindsPat
      @CrossWindsPat 2 роки тому +8

      This... Cant believe Kelsey went so easy on him. Also if he would have went north he could get a great view of the 737's landing, which is always awesome. But no he had to stick to his pipeline route and cause a shit ton of fuel to be burned and put a ton of stress on the pilots for NOTHING.

    • @raylopez99
      @raylopez99 2 роки тому +1

      It was a heavier Cessna Stationair not a Cessna 172, for what it's worth.

    • @CrossWindsPat
      @CrossWindsPat 2 роки тому +4

      @@raylopez99 Not to be pedantic but I dont think its worth much when we are comparing a few hundred pounds to an aircraft that is measured in tons lol.

    • @ABQSentinel
      @ABQSentinel 2 роки тому +1

      @@raylopez99 Well, that provides some additional stability and power, but encountering the wake of a 737 would still be a bad day for a small SEP plane.

  • @helloitsdawn
    @helloitsdawn 2 роки тому +1

    Now I understand why flying in and out of LaGuardia as a passenger often feels so rushed. Very insightful video. Thank you.

  • @anthonyC214
    @anthonyC214 2 роки тому +60

    I used to fly into/out of Midway all the time but that was 40 years ago when they permitted the gas stations to have giant tall poles advertising their gas stations. I often wondered how many poles were hit.

    • @papalaz4444244
      @papalaz4444244 2 роки тому +3

      How many gas stations were there in the path of an active runway, with giant poles that were potentially dangerous?

    • @anthonyC214
      @anthonyC214 2 роки тому +14

      @@papalaz4444244 I know a few were taken down by planes eventually the City of Bedford Park,where Midway is located , had the stations take them completely down

    • @John-dd3gz
      @John-dd3gz 2 роки тому +2

      Yeah ..RIGHT!! 🤧 IF they were THAT tall would be LAW sign have strobe! OR NOT PERMITTED TO BE IN THAT AREA!! BS!!

    • @raylopez99
      @raylopez99 2 роки тому +1

      @@John-dd3gz OK what about an advertising blimp tethered to the ground like those WWII barrage balloons?

    • @wilburwright3777
      @wilburwright3777 Рік тому +2

      An airliner did hit the gas station sign at 55th central long time ago in 1955 a Braniff flight

  • @TheWoodFly
    @TheWoodFly Рік тому +1

    Happens all the time at SMF (Sacramento, CA). There are AG planes crop dusting below the final approach course. We see them, they see us, they fly under and we land. Communication and following the expectations are key.

  • @ilovevegimite
    @ilovevegimite 2 роки тому +9

    Love you to do these videos with another collaboration with Mentour Pilot if you got the chance to meet up again. Be fun seeing the discussions between you two. Great videos, keep up the good work!

    • @abdulryklief119
      @abdulryklief119 2 роки тому

      And throw in Captain Joe , Dutch pilot and emilie pilot, that would be awesome

    • @AmazonAllie73
      @AmazonAllie73 2 роки тому

      My 2 fav pilots!!!

  • @deshope0303
    @deshope0303 2 роки тому

    Love your videos and your confident voice and your expertise and speaking technically but simple enough to follow along.

  • @daveandrew589
    @daveandrew589 2 роки тому +88

    Midway airport originally opened in 1927, to serve biplanes. Hence the restricted geography. Airports of that era were often laid out in large squares (like Midway) so that pilots could take off or land directly into the wind. The runways came later. No one would ever site an airport in such a restricted setting in the modern age.

    • @wessexdruid7598
      @wessexdruid7598 2 роки тому +14

      Interesting. In the UK, airstrips of that era are laid out in triangles, with a longest runway aligned with the prevailing wind. But with the triangle, you can always be at least partly heading into wind, whatever it's direction.

    • @VeraTR909
      @VeraTR909 2 роки тому +7

      I'm imagining all kinds of geometric runway layouts now, a pentagram would be pretty metal :P

    • @TimPerfetto
      @TimPerfetto 2 роки тому

      Eating hair isn't always fun but yeah usually. A runway clogged with hair would be fun unless there was mud or rebar mixed in

    • @VeraTR909
      @VeraTR909 2 роки тому +3

      Hate it when planes shave on the runway.

    • @tlgibson97
      @tlgibson97 2 роки тому +4

      ​@@wessexdruid7598 there are many in the US laid out like that too. Usually you can tell and old military airport by that configuration. In many cases some of those extra runways have been closed but you can still see remnants of them.

  • @miamirules101
    @miamirules101 2 роки тому +1

    Just thinking about the wake turbulence gives me chills. During one of my cross country flights I felt wake turbulence from a twin prop. I personally would avoid a jet’s wake like the plague.
    Awesome vid. Thanks for sharing

  • @alix5704
    @alix5704 2 роки тому +8

    Glad the situation worked out with the Southwest plane and the Cessna. I was kind of chuckling about the TCAS system, though, because recently I got a new car that yells at me all the time about lane markers and sometimes about braking distance, and 99% of the time it's just a case of the car not being able to reason. However, in the sky you can't always see everything like you can on the ground. Great lesson for the Cessna pilot, I hope.

    • @ilfardrachadi2318
      @ilfardrachadi2318 2 роки тому +4

      There was a guy at a place I used to work at who complained that the patrol car constantly beeped at him, nobody could replicate the issue. Eventually someone rode in the car with him, and two things happened - one, he got fired. Two, we realised the patrol cars had an out of lane sensor. Dude was almost constantly drifiting over the centre line!

    • @alix5704
      @alix5704 2 роки тому +2

      @@ilfardrachadi2318 Sorry the guy lost his job, but still...not a good driving habit. I usually get beeped when I'm fighting the car's yearning to hug the center line...I tend to stay a bit to the right (I'm in the U.S.). One time it actually grabbed the steering away from me and I was nowhere near off the road, lol.
      At least it hasn't slammed the brakes yet.

    • @scarybaldguy
      @scarybaldguy Рік тому +2

      @@alix5704 Keyword 'yet'. My Model S had a LOT of phantom braking issues and it loved to hug the center line, scaring the hell out of oncoming drivers so much that I had to turn lane "centering" off. My current ride, 2021 Ford Escape, has the opposite problem, putting me on the center of the lane and the car's right side on the shoulder. Had to disable that as well.
      Makes me happy to have no autopilot in my Cherokee 180. :^)

    • @Ellie-rx3jt
      @Ellie-rx3jt Рік тому +1

      ​@@alix5704
      I had a similar issue in a rented VW golf in the Scottish Highlands. The damn thing was determined to drive straight down the middle of every road that didn't have a painted centre line (which is a lot of roads up there) since it was "centered" between the two lines it could find. Not great when you have 40mph traffic coming the other way 😅

  • @AndreasS.-mh8ti
    @AndreasS.-mh8ti Рік тому

    One of your best and most interesting videos Kelsey! Thank you.

  • @stevea4416
    @stevea4416 2 роки тому +3

    Excellent explanations, Kelsey! Love watching your channel. ...from the proud son of a commercial pilot who always wanted to be a pilot but now realizes that that was never his calling. Leaving it to the true pilots/experts. Many, Many Thanks to all the pilots, military personnel, and emergency responders who keep us safe!!!

  • @kenstreet1769
    @kenstreet1769 2 роки тому

    Nice job I dont have a commercial ticket. I missed the RA. I get so much more from these videos. Because of the explanation that you give. This why your my Favorite 747 pilot. A huge fan of 74 gear🥳👍Happy new year

  • @undytermined
    @undytermined 2 роки тому +5

    I was based in Midway flying tours up to downtown and back, when the 22s are in use, we literally had to fly toward planes coming in on the approach. Never had to fly across the final for the 22s though. ATC at Midway are amazing though, they get planes out.

  • @chjadam
    @chjadam 5 місяців тому

    You can learn from his videos more than I anticipated. Chapeau for this brilliant work!

  • @Lad11971
    @Lad11971 2 роки тому +31

    Im not a pilot. ive always wanted to be one. This channel is so informative and so forthcoming about what its like to be a pilot and its encouraged me to get my pilots lisence in the next couple years. im 19 btw :)

    • @TerryMundy
      @TerryMundy 2 роки тому +2

      Good luck and cheers that you made that decision! You won't regret it. Have fun!!!

    • @nisawallace5903
      @nisawallace5903 2 роки тому +1

      David Stewart...Good luck and keep the blue side up.

    • @ryan1111111555555555
      @ryan1111111555555555 2 роки тому

      @@nisawallace5903 ...unless you're over water

    • @nisawallace5903
      @nisawallace5903 2 роки тому

      @@ryan1111111555555555 Water is clear and only reflects the blue of the sky...but you know that!

    • @ryan1111111555555555
      @ryan1111111555555555 2 роки тому

      @@nisawallace5903 The sky is clear but it refracts blue light which makes it look blue.

  • @jackriley5974
    @jackriley5974 9 місяців тому

    I was priced out of flying years ago and at 82 I'm a little old now, but I can still relate by telling stories. I was recertifying out of Schenectady and went into Albany at the IP's suggestion. I received clearance to land with the condition I maintain speed as there was a heavy on final. I literally flew the 172 onto the runway for a classic greased landing. Tower must have been watching as they immediately asked if I wanted to do another. Made my day! Another day in the Adirondacks, South out of Watertown, found myself nose to nose (180 to 360) with a B-52. I knew he was maybe 2 thousand higher but who's counting. Scary!

  • @arthurpewtey
    @arthurpewtey 2 роки тому +9

    This stuff is really interesting, even for people with absolutely no pilot experience whatsoever. Thank you.

  • @RalphCunha
    @RalphCunha 2 роки тому +1

    Another awesome video Kelsey, you have such an awesome job. I love binge watching your channel. Keep up the great work, your awesome 👍🏼👏🏼👊🏼🤟🏻

  • @since1876
    @since1876 2 роки тому +4

    2:24 this is an outright lie. We all know Kelsey was born with 10,000 hours of flight time. He got his first keys to a Cessna handed to him by the doctor before his mom even got to hold him.

  • @timothyprentice5944
    @timothyprentice5944 2 роки тому +1

    I thoroughly enjoy your videos. I love aviation although I seldom get to
    Fly. Your videos help fill my desire to fly. Thank you for your time and effort putting together your excellent videos!

  • @Cwrigh25
    @Cwrigh25 2 роки тому +18

    You really help us nervous fliers. The way you break down what goes on with aircraft is really informative.

    • @dillonyang6869
      @dillonyang6869 2 роки тому

      Woman shouldn't drive cars let alone planes 😒

  • @RandomExitsJT
    @RandomExitsJT 6 місяців тому

    I learn so much from your videos, particularly this one. Thank you.

  • @PasleyAviationPhotography
    @PasleyAviationPhotography 2 роки тому +19

    Kelsey calling a SW 737 purple gives me "is that dress blue or black" PTSD vibes

    • @Anna_Xor
      @Anna_Xor 2 роки тому +1

      Funny because when I see the SW planes flying overhead they look purple to me.

    • @louissanderson719
      @louissanderson719 2 роки тому +1

      They look blue to me 😂

    • @Anna_Xor
      @Anna_Xor 2 роки тому

      I can't remember where I saw it but I there was a video that mentioned the perception of color and relation to speed. Something about the color red and blue but I can't find the source & for the record it has nothing, *nothing whatsoever* to do with me being distracted by a certain someone's hot workout montage. Nopety nope!