its just asking drew to "be the bigger person" and she has zero obligation to do that, the way women are attacked both verbally and physically is a much bigger problem than making fun of a misogynists.
this is very much someone saying that they feel its personally offensive to people who arent the target so dont attack back at men who are misogynists. if youre an ally than you know its not about you so dont make it about you.
Your logic is horrible. Obviously it is horrible what happens to women but that doesn't give leeway to just trash men at every turn. Like What? All she does is just body-shame and lets not forget she is a massive narcasist.
I don't think everyone has to like Drew, but I do think you have to understand where she's coming. 95% of the time, the people critiquing her will never experience as much discrimination and hate that she (and people with similar backgrounds) deal with regularly.
@@lucyyagodich4129 Tbh, Drew Afualo is just known for being the female version of Andrew Tate. She would just call anything misogynistic. I saw one of them tik tok vids of her calling a guy, “misogynistic” for saying that you can tell how crazy a guy by just looking at his choice in women. Should I really feel sorry for a women who claims to be so oppressed despite married to a guy who is way better looking than her, and also owns a business which makes him rich? Drew literally has a better lifestyle than the average white person and average men, but yeah, she is sooooo oppressed by them, *roll my eyes.
@@Love-sg5pp I would be wary of comparing Drew to someone who has sex trafficking, sexual assault, and abuse allegations against him. He has also admitted that fleeing to Romania was just easier than dealing with the charges. Drew has had no such allegations. In this comment you also just valued Drew at her appearance. It does not matter who in a marriage you find more conventionally attractive. I'm saying that she is pointing things out that some people don't want to hear. I don't agree with every single thing she says and how she goes about certain situations, but that doesn't mean she doesn't face discrimination. I mean, you yourself just chose to put her value in her appearance which, whether you like it or not, is a form of oppression/discrimination. The last thing I want to mention is that I'm not asking you to feel sorry for Drew. I'm asking you to have empathy and try to understand what she goes through on the daily. That does not mean pity her, that means having a bit of perspective and "walking a mile in someone else's shoes."
@@lucyyagodich4129 You missing the point, Drew and Tate act exactly the same on social media, what they do behind close doors is something different. I’m not a Tate fan, and Im well aware that Tate is worst than Drew, BUT I see the similarities of how both of them behave very similar on social media. One is misogynistic, and the other one is a misandrist. Also, what are you even talking about?? calling her, “average looking” is not a form of oppression 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣. NOT every girl can be a perfect 10/10, and NOT every man can also be a perfect 10/10 also. There is nothing WRONG with being average looking so pls stop trying to act as if calling her, “average looking” is a bad thing when literally 80% of the world population fall under the average category. You really are one of those women who would call anything, “misogyny, oppression, or discrimination” just like Drew 😭😭🤚🏽. See what you just did? This is why the majority of men do not like Drew and her fans. In fact, I noticed that The majority of men do not like what Drew says on social media and the majority of women do not like what Andrew Tate says on social media, bc they are BOTH sexist. And no, I’m not gonna feel sorry for a women who says she is so oppressed, while living inside a mansion, wearing expensive clothes, and married to a good looking rich guy 🤡. Wonder how women would react if Tate said he’s oppressed bc of his skin color?
She's just the embodiment of "if you wouldn't like it said to you, don't say it someone else." I'm sorry, but whoever said "you can't fight fire, with more fire," was too much of a pacifist, who never got bullied or ridiculed. These people, often gross, mysogntic men go online and harass women they both find attractive, and the ones they don't. They also bully men that try to defend women. They make this entire persona of being an asshole, who think that women shouldn't be able to vote, or justify why men are superior, and that's why men should be able to cheat and be abusive, and women should just submit and be grateful that someone deems them as "fuckable." Drew never goes after them, or anyone, without a reason. People love to think that once you login to a social media account, they get a few pass to bully without consequences. She generated a mass following so quickly for a reason. Sometimes people don't deserve to be treated with kindness from a "bigger person." They need an ass whooping. They need to be told that they're not shit. Social media allows anyone to voice an opinion, and a lot of people do not deserve that voice, for they just use it to abuse. Instead of reflecting, they always go to the go to of "well of course you 'won,' you have more followers." Instead of thinking, "hm, maybe I don't have a larger following because I'm an unfunny, cliche asshole," they just start insulting her and her followers more. They want everyone else to take the high road. They literally want to "debate" why their thinkings of misogyny are right. Good for her for making money and a name for herself off of the hate that's so abundant in this world. I'm tired of the likes of Andrew Tate, the Paul Brothers, and all of the other plain, insulting men that have nothing else to offer but hate and bigotry get famous. It's about time us ladies got someone to be expressive about the disgusting nature that a lot of young men are proud to be apart of.
Exactly! This is the point they’re missing. Who said she wants to take the high road? And why should she? Men certainly have made themselves synonymous with the ‘low road’ because they thought we couldn’t, shouldn’t or wouldn’t meet them there & set everything ablaze.
My favourite thing I’ve seen about fighting fire with fire is “people who say you can’t fight fire with fire clearly haven’t heard of controlled burns”
While it's not really the point of the video I really hate it when people ignore or are super soft on teenagers that are being racist or misogynistic people don't magically stop being assholes when they turn 25, they grow and learn to be better people because others hold them accountable. I not saying punch a 13 year old in the face when they use a slur but also just sighing and saying they're just kids isn't the solution either
Racism and misogyny is taught. That’s why teens who hold these views need grace. Because they didn’t wake up one day and decide to be racist or misogynistic. They were taught these things.
Exactly. I remember doing things at 13 that im embarrassed about now, but I stopped because people online would call me out for bad behavior. It didn't feel good, but it helped me grow as a person
Here's my take on this; Some men constantly hate how women look, even using the term "All women are ____" or "All women look like _____," so why is it so wrong when Drew says all misogynists look a certain way. She isn't bringing up all men, just those who're misogynists. If they can dish it out, they should be able to take it. She's simply doing what those men are doing to women. The only reason people have a problem with it is that a woman should be "kind" and "nice" when being critiqued, which she isn't doing. We need to push past the idea that women need to be kind to people who're being assholes to them.
She attacks everyone omg she isn't Jesus Christ. She is literally sexist and a racist towards a gender and a race. She excludes people from conversations because they're "cIs wHiTe aNd Male". This automatically means they don't have an opinion? She is rude and doesn't deserve a platform. Right direction and Goal, completely wrong execution. All she does is create more feuds between genders and younger audiences. She is like a toddler stuck in a grown woman's body.
I'd say the issue is that there are bald and short men who aren't misogynistic and might be self conscious about those traits. Drew using bald and short as insults can be unintentionally insulting innocent people.
This is the one part of her argument that I disagree with. She is completely allowed to fight fire with fire, but to say “all misogynists have (insert trait here)” is equating that trait with being misogynistic, which isn’t fair to men who have those traits and have done nothing.
@@ep_bug4898 I don't see it that way. For example if you say "all japanese people are asian", you're not equating being asian to being japanese, just equating being japanese to being asian which isn't the same thing. The order of the words matters a lot.
I love Drew. I think she should be meaner, actually. These misogynistic men make me want to jump off a cliff, and it brings me so much warmth in my heart to see her response.
@@lemqnshark the only one crying is you, drew is basically unknown outside of tiktok, which most adults that aren’t women don’t use 😂, i mean you can be in your echo chamber while she repeats the same process “laugh, say short man bad, laugh again, make unrelated racial comment then end up with a laugh” that’s her format.😂atleast red pillers can converse and aren’t pussy to even debate their views.
Honestly, while roasting and insulting misogynists, incels, and MGTOW types may not be the most productive way to change their views, it's still hilarious, and with how fragile and insecure those little boys usually are, it could certainly give them a taste of their own medicine. I'm against bullying... but...
That’s the problem, there are many instances where she isn’t going after misogynistic men. Sh recently did a video making fun of dudes appearance who said nothing offensive in her comments
@fantasywork2467 "honest" to you guys means men calling women fat and "not their type" unsolicited , and covering it up with "just having a preference"
The fact that he showed the screenshot of what he called the '14 to 17 year olds' but were all actually adults was more of a burn than she could have come up with!
@Chemistry Coston she still benefited from being a white man so there's know way she is over that. Plus she still looks like a white man. It really does make her arguments a little less relevant, even though Drew completely shattered her arguments anyway.
14- and 17-year-olds can do harmful things and harmful rhetoric. Plus, Drew explains that when she makes fun of misogynistic men make fun of women but yet, they also don't fit into the beauty standards of men, so why do they think they should carry those standards for women, shouldn't they understand the harm?
The point that Bella makes about them "being kids" is a very weak argument to make. I just turned 17 years old (so I'm still technically a kid) and I have faced countless times where men that are my own age say horrible misogynistic things to me. They are completely aware that they are hurtful things to say, and It doesn't take being above the age of 18 to realize that. To bring up the fact that drew is much older and "attacking" these "kids", they were calling her vile and disgusting names, on the internet. The internet is a free range where people can say whatever they want, so why can't she? She is allowed to stand up for herself and use their method of insulting AGAINST them. If they did not want that criticism and taste of their own medicine, they simply should have not posted that in the first place. It's that simple, and it does not matter the age that I am to realize that those are disgusting things to say.
YES!!! There were so many dudes when I was in school who would dehumanize the hell out of women and just reply to criticism with “boys will be boys” And they’d get mad that girls (and me, trans masc perceived as a girl at that time) wouldn’t “mind there business” they made it everyone’s business by being so damn loud
also the “looks” argument was trash. she never said everyone who is fat, bald, short etc was misogynistic but she did say all womenhaters are in fact those things. those phrases are not synonymous. these men will be offended over anything 💀
Yeah no I was fucking 12 when some boys in my class asked me about me(femme presenting at the time) and my girlfriend and how we had sex. They were old enough to do that they were old enough to get roasted for it.
"be the bigger person" is often said by people to hush someone who is speaking their truth. Whilst I dont watch Drew's content, expecting her to fight bigotry in a more "passive" or "graceful" way is like telling her to be the bigger person. Fighting prejudice with silence is not fighing prejudice, I hope she keeps making content like this!
as much as i appreciate live laugh love... sometimes, in my frustration, i actually consider "if we can't have positive equality, we gonna settle for toxic equality" so, idk her content or anything she said...I'm not encouraging her acts....all i gotta say is...i understand 💀
It’s the same logic behind “punch Nazis.” If there are enough people insisting on the dehumanization and degradation of others, if they keep insisting on some idea of biological superiority and this weird eugenics idea of biological entitlement to more power- then like, we need to start making it clear that their actions and opinions aren’t acceptable.
I love Drew because she’s the whole embodiment of “If its good for the goose, it’s good for the gander.” Too many sh*tty men are comfortable being directly hateful and poignantly misogynistic directly towards either a specific person or woman in general. They feel safe doing that because no one does it in return to them. And now someone does. In her own words “I never said I was nice.” The people offending you are not obligated to control your reaction. That’s kind of the point. If you don’t want to be open to criticism or getting sh*t-on on social media, maybe don’t be a sh*thead openly on social media. You’re taking time out of your day, literally going out of your way, to be an AH to someone you don’t personally know online. What’s it like to have so much free time? Get a job, make a friend, get a doctor’s appt to remove your head from your ass, idk… and idc. But if you’re getting upset with someone treating you the way you treat other people, maybe you need to treat other people better.
That isn't all she's doing though; if it was, then that'd be fine. Watch podcasts with her. Drew will attack any one that makes a critique on modern day Western feminism or societal norms that are biased against men. Her philosophy is ultimately incoherent and immoral like Andrew Tate's in the sense it is tribalistic without any sense of nuance or introspection whatsoever.
I disagree that Drew saying that " bald men are misogynists" is not reactionary . She's using it as a result of sexist men who say all feminisnts are fat and ugly or "past their prime"
i think it's worth mentioning from the first point as well that drew is not the one who set that standard that being short and bald is ugly. these standards were created and are upheld by men. so she is not spreading the idea that being bald and short are ugly, she's catering to her audience and using the standards that they have created for themselves because they don't care when women say stop being misogynistic
i also find that she never said that fat/bald/short = ugly womanhater. she said ugly womanhaters = fat/bald/short. which is different, those characteristics don’t make a misogynist but a misogynist almost always has one of those characteristics.
@@pixie9499how do you not understand that’s not ok. “Oh I’m not saying all fat people are bad, I’m just call all bad people fat because I know it’s not the beauty standard and seen as negative” how do you think it feels for plus sized people to see their weight be used as an insult or an indication of indecency? That’s like saying you don’t think all Black people commit crime but everyone committing crime is black. Equating something that isn’t an inherently negative trait with something that is
i feel like bella is just taking every single thing and face value and not thinking “maybe this could be a joke” because i’m sure she doesn’t genuinely think all misogynistic men are bald. it’s a joke …
As much as I understand the point this dude was making, you have to also understand Drew. She’s a plus-sized woman of color who both wears heavy makeup or barely any. She’s been criticized on the basis of her appearance and nothing else, same with other women. I feel like Drew’s comments all come from a place of personal anger. So many women have wanted to change who they are and become something unachievable. Whilst I’m not saying bullying is the answer, the question still stands: Why should we care about men’s self-image when they’ve never cared about ours?
Because that's where you're wrong, men do care, they care all the time you guys just don't choose the men who care, you guys don't look for the men who care what you girls look for is the bad boy's static because it's eye candy for you, because the good guys with good personality don't radiate the same energy, the 83% don't live up to the standards you want so you go after the 17% of men who don't care about you, those same 17% of men are the exact ones you keep talking about, those don't care but you choose to count laughter them anyway because of two things (1. You want a guy who has the bad boy looks to him but also is incredibly sweet and caring, you want the best of both worlds, but that rarely ever happens. (2. You're the type of person who has the "I can fix you" mentality, Which is a problem that we don't tell enough men and women when they get into a relationship you can't fix that person they need to work on themselves, Is you try to fix that person, they will only end up hurting you.If you want men who actually care then try surrounding yourself with good people, but you need to make sure that you work on yourself before you look for those people because you may not be ready, and that's all right.
She also goes to the gym so it's she's morbidly obese person who everyone makes fun of Also her not being white is irrelevant, People also make fun of white people appearance all the time Dream, ginger People, British People, Justin beiber all of these are white and are made fun off all the time She ALSO critcizes People only on thier appearance and barely counters their arguments So you admit she's using her personal anger to do the bad things she do ? Well she's not a reasonable person then Both Genders make fun of each other appearance all the time, however if you're just being a bully to a bully then neither sided are doing anything productive, both sides are acting like 6 yrs old children
Out of curiosity, why haven’t you posted this on tiktok yet? This is honestly the most fair and persuasive argument regarding the situation that I’ve seen from anyone! It even helped change my mind on a few things about how I initially felt about it.
I recognize the guy, i think he was the same guy who got triggered by people making fun of a criminal male crying after being sentenced. Im pretty sure the criminal did something to a kid, and this guy crawls in trying to make it about making fun of men crying... when no one was making fun of him because hes male. They were mocking him because he was a vile criminal.
im 90% sure this is the same dude who also called women sensitive and terrible names when they didn’t like being called a bitch by him. he thought he got a free pass to be misogynistic because hes gay.
To be fair, the dudes I've known who go down one of the many women hating pipelines, often do shave their heads outta choice to look more "masculine", not necessarily because they are balding.
I think in our society women are forced to be the bigger person and be held accountable for our actions, while men are treated like kindergarteners and given a timeout for doing and saying horrible things. I believe that she is just bringing them up to the level that women have been at forever, and then these men are crying about it, like that standers are so high, when there just being raised to level with women.
Hey Coop, I really liked this video! I also think one could make the argument that her focus on "short" and "balding" doesn't really stem from a personal opinion of those characteristics, but moreso come into play because they are "obvious" targets--in the sense that they are things men are known to be commonly insecure about. Kind of like when men call a woman fat or ugly after getting rejected. It doesn't matter if she is or not, and it doesn't matter whether the man dislikes her "fatness" or "ugliness" or not. It's just something they say because they know it probably hits them in a place that hurts. I always interpreted those jokes as another method of giving them a dose of their own medicine. The dynamic it drives home for me is that she just completely ignored everything they said and boiled them down to "bald" or "short"--perceived flaws in their physical appearance, which should have no relevance. This feels very reminiscent of: woman produces content -> man doesn't like it -> man is more likely to express disapproval by publicly attacking her physical appearance and only her physical appearance than I presume he would be if he were responding to a male creator. By attacking physical appearance instead of leaving it as strictly a response to their argument/stance, she objectifies them in the same way. Disclaimer: I haven't seen many of her videos, so this may be off-base because I'm lacking a lot of context, it is just another interpretation that came to mind when I saw this video. Great video!
Nah she should be meaner actually. Men have been unapologetically berating our gender for a millennium. Let them get a taste of their medicine. I’d encourage “nice guys” that are balding and taking offense to understand that we’re simply fighting back and keep it moving.
fr i am so done with people being like we have to do it “peacefully” like i get the thing yes thing should be peaceful but peace will not help you win your rights back you have to defend yourself and fight back
The answer to misogyny isn't misandry. Anti-individualist thinking is how we're in the messes we're already in. Collectivist thought needs to end on all fronts.
@@Exmuslim_caffeine Upholding beauty standards is not helping anything either tho? I think these guys just need constructive criticism (or just normal good criticism) rather than petty bickering. Conventionally un-attractive guys seeing that a lot of woman see them as potentially misogynist or abusive might make them generalise women inherently upholding the values that some of these women see. This is a painful cycle, perpetuated by everyone, and hurts everyone.
Tbh I don't think insulting appearance,that could apply to innocent people, is okay but I definitely see her point. I still wouldn't do it tho. I only insult their stupidity and ignoranceeee.
My take is that these men use the term "All women" when attacking appearance. So why is it so wrong when Drew says, "All misogynists." She isn't attacking all men like these boys are doing.
@@tanya-s it's always wrong, be it Drew or anyone else. What Drew is doing is body shaming and not ok, unless it's directed against the misogynists *while on an active discussion with them*. Even then it's not ok, but It's fair since they're doing the same.
@@tanya-s If you actually watch podcasts with her, you'd know that isn't all she is doing. Drew will attack any one that makes a critique on modern day Western feminism or societal norms that are biased against men. Her philosophy is ultimately incoherent and immoral like Andrew Tate's in the sense it is tribalistic without any sense of nuance or introspection whatsoever.
I liked this video, it considered both points of views seriously so the viewers may draw different conclusions from yours while still telling your own conclusion
I appreciate you using your image for this commentary, being the demographic you are and choosing to make space these important themes WHILE keeping a tone of deferring to her, acknowledging her words and response ARE ENOUGH as is Thanks bro
Women dont have to be nice to be right. This needs to be on some merch!! This is my favorite thing I've heard come out of another man's mouth!! So thank you for that ❤
Random thought, but wasn't she referencing Andrew Tate with the whole bald short thing??? Am I just jumping to conclusions? Or is it just the whole traditional beauty standards thing?
I think you can cherry pick anyone’s content, and Drew doesn’t do anything that the men she goes after wouldn’t. In fact, the men she goes after would likely do much worse
One thing I'll say about the "bald, short" or whatever other "non-conventionally" attractive characteristics is that i often recognize that people, especially this type of men, who are spreading this hate are insecure about themselves and/or just want to put other people down. There is absolutely nothing wrong with short or bald men, in fact a LOT of short and or bald men are conventionally attractive (bruno mars is gorgeous and is only like 5'6 i think, Jason Statham is bald and very attractive, and yall can't tell me that Danny Davito isnt a national treasure who is a beloved, short, bald king.) The "problem" with these characteristics is that they might be insecure about it, so when it gets pointed out on THEM it hurts them, but for regular, non-horrible, misogynistic, abusive people, its a perfectly fine quality. So when Drew and other people call them out/ give them a taste of their own medicine, its not a "oh we can all play the bullying game" but more of a "heres what you sound like when you do it to other people. Does it hurt your feelings? Well, maybe you should stop doing it to all these other people." Also (sorry this is so long) but Drew (i assume) is really intelligent. And on the other side these awful people aren't ignorant, nor have they demonstrated that they deserve grace..... like at all. So Drew isn't gonna sit there and baby them and explain what they said was wrong and why. Theres NO CHANCE these people dont know that it's wrong, and clearly they only listen to when she shuts them down. Lets stop acting like shes the problem and start supporting the fact that shes not afraid to stand up to them, and for others. (Especially since yall KNOW people literally get doxxed and death threats over 1 person not getting their way, so lets be fr and recognize the REAL problem, and that shutting her down is NOT the solution.) Mkay im done, Go Drew, Go Cooper!
Wow! Where to begin. Danny Davito (rich and famous) Jason Statham (rich and famous) Bruno Mars (rich and famous) If all these men were bus drivers, garbage men, or a construction workers. They wouldn't have options and more so over looked by women because of them being short and/or bald.
I think someone could argue that entrenching beauty standards at all, as in "you're worth less because you're unattractive", is not really combatting misogyny or bigotry. some women go bald. Making men feel bad about not hitting standards the patriarchy set for them MIGHT ultimately re-inforce the patriarchy instead of attacking it. I don't dislike Drew, I don't know her. I don't think her content is activism or funny, but I see the appeal for some. I do think this kind of shit-flinging back and forth being her whole brand which she amasses profit from is doomed for destruction though. She's gonna end up attacking someone who definitely doesn't deserve it, or accidentally say something bigoted.
I don't even think my problem is with Drew. I think my problem is with tiktok. It's a platform that encourages people to act at their most misogynistic, their most extreme, their most combative. I hate that these misogynists only put the worst part of themselves online. I hate that the only thing I see of Drew Afualo is her at her most mean, fighting with a stranger. You don't get to 7 million followers without some kind of algorithm encouraging your behaviour. I think tiktok is just actively working against making the world a nicer, more understanding place, and I think I'm gonna delete it lol
@@ActuallyNotHayden She is a woman of color that gets fatphobic "jokes" on daily bases just for defending minorities. I saw other people of color and lgbtqia who are thankful to her. Other women, me included me... U should have seen how many d3ath threats she recieved which we know happen We are tired of being told how to respond to trauma.
So women and feminists always have to be prim and proper and respectful in their criticism, while men that say and do the most vile things have millions defending them...cool
wait, somehow men found it insulting that she put actual characteristics to terrible men?! i remember this happening. she didn’t say all men that are fat, bald, etc are misogynists BUT all misogynists are these things. why are they defending misogynists? simply for the sake of defense?
She isn't just going after misogynists (if you watch podcasts with her). Or rather, she thinks anyone who critiques modern day Western feminism or has concerns for issues men face is a misogynist.
Well here you are defending Drew who is a misandrist and a racist! Only 3 months ago she called white men for " Cockroaches AKA white men". Bad statement, her evil exposed. I guess you support hatred!
Okay so, what she's saying int he first par, is that all MISOGNISTIC men are bald and/or short, she wasn't saying that all BALD/SHORT men are misogynistic, there's a big difference, and I think the miscommunication is the biggest problem, because she was just sayin that her theory is all misogynists are bald and/or short, not that all short, bald men are misogynists.
Drew is doing lord's work. Absolutely every woman has dealt with misogyny at least once. Comments about appearance, intelligence, behavior, lifestyle, style, work. Very often it becomes very harmful and women lose their reputation, jobs and lives because of that. Physical abuse, sexual assaults, violence, kidnappings and murders. All for being told "you asked for it" afterwards. And all kinds of abuse towards women were happening since the beginning of the time, it was even worse back than and it became better because women fought for it, not because males suddenly became decent human beings. And now they cry because someone on the internet called them bold. Males should get over themselves, world doesn't revolve around them anymore and they should say thank you that we still don't treat them the same way they were treating women for centuries. I have zero sympathy for them.
I was sexually assaulted by a woman years back. Does that abuse allow me to lump all women together and become a misogynist? Of course not. Misandry isn't the answer to misogyny; collectivist and anti-individualist thinking is how we're in the messes we're in now.
Ugh, I can't stand comments like "only unattractive men are misogynists." Acting like conventionally attractive people can't be terrible people is incredibly harmful and has real world consequences. For example, it being more difficult to get people to believe that an attractive person is guilty of SA because "well they shouldn't have to since theyre hot" or "oh theyre hotter than you so how could they have done that to you?" That has reallly damaging consequences and misunderstands why and how people seek out positions of power to the detriment of everyone around them.
Also, just to articulate. As far as I have understood, her argument is not that the traits are ugly, but that they should not be critiquing something that they don't do themselves -- like a "clean your own closet."
I never heard of Drew, but I now love her. She’s so right abt every single thing I heard her say in the video, and I think she should be even meaner. I love that she does what she does, cause I wanna do exactly that but am scared that I will get the attacks that she constantly get, so I’m glad SOMEONE is doing it.
@@thechumbucket8986 Ofc you love hatred. If you are hated back because of your race or your gender, you should shush about it because you yourself "LOVE" hatred. Take the hate that you are giving others.
I feel like from childhood, many girls are expected to sort things out, be emotionally mature, and be the bigger person, while any misstep or impulse their brothers have is excused with a “boys will be boys” attitude. I think you put it very well when you said “women don’t have to be nice to be right.”
Also, when parents don’t tell their kids they are aholes, they become bigger aholes. A little kid rode by me on a bike with his hand out. I didn’t know what was going on and just rode by. He called me a “c$nt”. I yelled back “I’m sorry your parents are related to make you that way”. So his friends (and hopefully parents) could hear.
I dont think its about telling her to "be the better person". To me its about friendly fire. If you're making fun of a mean person's lazy eye, or any other trait you have no control over, you are also making fun of someone else's. Imo. Like if there was a friend who was making fun of someones weight, and you yourself are heavy set, would that not hurt you as well? Would you see that person as a good person or trust that they didnt see you the same way?
Men tend to respond differently based on how fuck able you are to them, in everything. Hold the door for you or not? Tip well or not? Accept a read with humor or rage? Etc. Women are treated based on how men read their value in this way.
MANY MANY women have OF, so they themselves proves men right when the men are saying "your body is what is valueable". If not, women should maybe stop using OF and selling their bodies, so to prove the men wrong by their ACTIONS, not by their words.
Personally, I don't think attacking people's physic is necessary, especially when someone is already a horrible person for their actions but I understand that if that person is insulting your appearance then they're opening the way for you to answer the same way, so I don't think she's wrong
I don’t like using insults degrading appearance and other superficial things to dismantle misogynists, HOWEVER she has stated that she uses this tactic because using reason doesn’t work with this type of people (which I agree) and she’d rather make them feel uncomfortable enough to stop posting than to fail at trying to reason with them. Also it’s important to remember that the hatefulness these men are spreading on the internet is WAY more damaging than her calling a man bald and short ever will be.
When she started collabing with a fast fashion company and we criticised her bc she's a feminist who knows very well who's exploited the most through fast fashion, and she's a creator with a massive following at the time several million, Drew reacted like any responsible adult would and immediately blocked everyone, then ranted and mocked the people she blocked over several story slides pretending she did it for the broke girlies and that she had a hard time finding clothes for her size so of course the only brand that could offer solace was Shein ❤
Being mean to bad people might be okay but surely is very cheap. I just don't like that type of response and probably that's why I've never heard about Drew before today.
She did not say that all bald or short men are misogynists. She did say that misogynists are usually bald, short , or have other physical flaws. She’s implying (and I believe she’s 100% correct) that misogynists tend to have things about their own appearances that they dislike, and so they lash out at women because of it. And not all women are innocent either. A lot of women are cruel because of a man’s height, or if they’re bald. So these men who have most likely been rejected in the past, are now hateful of women, and lashing out at women and attacking their appearances. Again, she NEVER said that all bald or short men are misogynist. And she’s still a reactionist. She’s not going to lash out or attack a man who is being perfectly kind and peaceful. Fight fire with fire. If a man wants to run his mouth about how a woman looks, and has his own glaringly obvious physical flaws, he better be ready for the criticism that will come.
Drew is lashing out on men, white men more ofc, calling them "COCKROACHES AKA WHITE MEN". Imagine saying that to a black male or a jew? The truth is, she is a hateful person, and you like her. In short, you like hatred and you like racists and misandrists!
Drew doesn't OWE anyone taking the high ground or being flawlessly accurate in her representation of the people literally harassing her though. Besides I feel like it is just using patriarchy beauty standards for men to insult them, when they are harassing her. Short fat kings can be attractive people and partners, and conventionally attractive men can be unappealing. To put it their way: in his heart, his hairline is behind his ears. It's not the hairline on your head that matters but the hairline in your heart. So stupid but so is bullying women for existing in a corporeal form you happen to not want to fuck.
Being the bigger person or a pacifist is a luxury only a privileged person or an oppressor can afford. You're either not affected by the attacks taking place or you can afford to take a hit or two. Drew goes after POS men who have invested energy in attacking a group of people or a singular victim. Why should she be the one to take responsibility for keeping a respectful tone? I've had men threatening me with violence for absolutely no reason and if you tell me I would be mean if I tell them to f off, then you probably have had a really nice life. Sometimes the only thing these guys will understand is fighting fire with fire. Have I threatened to beat up an old man cause he was yelling at me in the street? Yes. Did he back off and never bother me again? Absolutely. Stay safe ya'll!
I don't understand how so many people here are comfortable with body shaming? I am not saying you shouldn't be mean to awful fucking people, but thinking you are actually okay to act literally exactly like the type of person you despise isn't really mature at all, aren't we all agreeing that we know we are better than those awful people, why are we going low on their niveau, and literally knowing this will not change their opinion. No one is obligated to be the one that changes a misogynist, to have discussions with them THAT I think is a privilege that many think is owed to them. Still don't believe its fucking okay to bodyshame people, very similar to when people only use the correct pronouns for people that are good in their eyes, its like you have to earn to have BASIC HUMAN RESPECT, it just shows your true side.
i think when she said “misogynists are bald….” etc, she was saying that because she knows those are characteristics that they care about, she knows that it’ll hurt their feelings, not cause those are necessarily features she personally cares about yk
when i was a teenager my friends and i would use the 'f' slur all the time. not in any context directed specifically towards gay people or even using it as an insult in reference to gay people in general. to us it was just a funny sounding curse words that we would use amongst each other. however i'm currently 29, in 3 months i'll be 30 and it's been YEARS since I've used that word. Times change, people grow up and learn and change along with the times. It's not even comparable to someone who's currently engaging in that sort of behavior regardless of their age. When I was a teenager it was a different world and that word wasn't seen anywhere near as offensive as it is now and most teenagers are old enough to know better.
Conflicting feelings. On one hand im like " ya match there energy." Then in the other hand, im think, " to match their stupid energy makes you just as stupid, attack them with logic. that way there can be a discussion and potental room for growth." Ive seen her videos, but i cant get behind her due to the fact that shes not getting anywhere with her combacks, that her " critiques" are just bullying them right back, and then thinking shes better because shes not on their side while doing the same thing their doing. ( the men she talks about are massaginistic, so they do deserve it. )But... then it makes her look just as bad in the way shes comming back at them. If andrew tate came up to me and said " women are stupid." Id say " you know whats actually stupid is sex trafficking women." That being factual wouldn't leave much room for a rebuttal. However, if i come back with " well your bald." Though he may deserve it, it wouldn't get anyone anywhere. she has a holyer than thou comlex as well, or at least thats what it comes off like ( which in some cases good on her, but then on the other had it just comes off as cocky a as an annoying personality type.) Also the statment she made about the other women stealing her jokes, she may have a point. like the men could have found the other woman more attractive, and it makes sence why she might feel bad in the sence that her message was being seen as more reseptive because it was being done by a different women. ) but again, its the holyer than thou " she stole my jokes." When more than two people ( espeshally because shes not famous in the sense that everyone knows who shes is) is a pretty broud claim to make, unless she was stealing ALOT of her personal content. Also more than two people can have simaler personality types. Im not trying to hate, just feel as though mattching energy in some cases is good, but stooping to some elses level isn't the way to do that.
I’m not drew but I think it’s likely that the reason she doesn’t stitch conventionally attractive men and labels misogynists with traditionally lesser attractive qualities is because she’s trying to create a narrative that it’s in general pretty undesirable. There’s no reason to feed into the idea that it’s Alpha and makes you a bad boy only to convince influential young people into thinking it’s something they should do or say to be like some of the other dangerous influencer males out there.
I know this is an old video, but i really appreciate how you go back and forth between each point and saying what you agree vs disagree and how each point can be viewed differently
im not misogynistic, but tbh, using “bald” and “short” as an insult is not nice, and could be considered bullying. not only that, but going after literal kids who did nothing wrong and calling them “unathletic b!tches” is disgusting. this isnt justified at all, and is harassment
I dont think attacking or making fun of people's looks is ever okay. I feel like it's just always a shitty thing to do. I definetly dont think shes really doing much wrong- and I get why its good- but I think she should make fun of LITERALLY anything else. Style, mannerisms, personality, literally anything. Making fun of people for something genetic (I dont know if shes ever mentioned it but that includes weight just as a reminder) is just low.
I fucking worship Drew. I think a lot of people dislike her because shes not nice. We need to stop telling women to be the bigger person. We are being murdered and the men attacking us are crying because shes calling them ugly.
i always love watching his takes on these type of things because it is funny but also his comments are actually really sensible and i like the views he takes for both sides
I think its so much more impactful to be educational and not attack arbitrary qualities like height. Being rude is just gonna push people away from learning. There are good ways to fight sexism and fighting fire with fire doesn't work.
"women don't have to be nice to be right" is a really good quote actually
I paused so I could comment the same thing. More people need to remember that in my opinion
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@@bluefairy5641is that what they were saying?? no
@@bluefairy5641 As a woman, we don't claim you.
Depends on why you’re being mean, are t you the same people who rail against “brutal honesty”, or only when it’s for you?
its just asking drew to "be the bigger person" and she has zero obligation to do that, the way women are attacked both verbally and physically is a much bigger problem than making fun of a misogynists.
this is very much someone saying that they feel its personally offensive to people who arent the target so dont attack back at men who are misogynists. if youre an ally than you know its not about you so dont make it about you.
Your logic is horrible. Obviously it is horrible what happens to women but that doesn't give leeway to just trash men at every turn. Like What? All she does is just body-shame and lets not forget she is a massive narcasist.
@@fdfsffdsfdfsfd is she trashing men at any turn or just trashing specific misogynist?
@@chesiresays She trashes men lmfao. She is a racist and a sexist
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I don't think everyone has to like Drew, but I do think you have to understand where she's coming. 95% of the time, the people critiquing her will never experience as much discrimination and hate that she (and people with similar backgrounds) deal with regularly.
So that makes it oky for her to make about generalizations about men…………..
Very misandrist ….
Also, this is sexist.
@@mannyandrade8381 so it is sexist to acknowledge that she faces more discrimination in her life than the average man?
@@lucyyagodich4129 Tbh, Drew Afualo is just known for being the female version of Andrew Tate. She would just call anything misogynistic. I saw one of them tik tok vids of her calling a guy, “misogynistic” for saying that you can tell how crazy a guy by just looking at his choice in women. Should I really feel sorry for a women who claims to be so oppressed despite married to a guy who is way better looking than her, and also owns a business which makes him rich? Drew literally has a better lifestyle than the average white person and average men, but yeah, she is sooooo oppressed by them, *roll my eyes.
@@Love-sg5pp I would be wary of comparing Drew to someone who has sex trafficking, sexual assault, and abuse allegations against him. He has also admitted that fleeing to Romania was just easier than dealing with the charges. Drew has had no such allegations.
In this comment you also just valued Drew at her appearance. It does not matter who in a marriage you find more conventionally attractive. I'm saying that she is pointing things out that some people don't want to hear. I don't agree with every single thing she says and how she goes about certain situations, but that doesn't mean she doesn't face discrimination. I mean, you yourself just chose to put her value in her appearance which, whether you like it or not, is a form of oppression/discrimination.
The last thing I want to mention is that I'm not asking you to feel sorry for Drew. I'm asking you to have empathy and try to understand what she goes through on the daily. That does not mean pity her, that means having a bit of perspective and "walking a mile in someone else's shoes."
@@lucyyagodich4129 You missing the point, Drew and Tate act exactly the same on social media, what they do behind close doors is something different. I’m not a Tate fan, and Im well aware that Tate is worst than Drew, BUT I see the similarities of how both of them behave very similar on social media. One is misogynistic, and the other one is a misandrist.
Also, what are you even talking about?? calling her, “average looking” is not a form of oppression 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣. NOT every girl can be a perfect 10/10, and NOT every man can also be a perfect 10/10 also. There is nothing WRONG with being average looking so pls stop trying to act as if calling her, “average looking” is a bad thing when literally 80% of the world population fall under the average category. You really are one of those women who would call anything, “misogyny, oppression, or discrimination” just like Drew 😭😭🤚🏽. See what you just did? This is why the majority of men do not like Drew and her fans.
In fact, I noticed that The majority of men do not like what Drew says on social media and the majority of women do not like what Andrew Tate says on social media, bc they are BOTH sexist.
And no, I’m not gonna feel sorry for a women who says she is so oppressed, while living inside a mansion, wearing expensive clothes, and married to a good looking rich guy 🤡. Wonder how women would react if Tate said he’s oppressed bc of his skin color?
She's just the embodiment of "if you wouldn't like it said to you, don't say it someone else." I'm sorry, but whoever said "you can't fight fire, with more fire," was too much of a pacifist, who never got bullied or ridiculed. These people, often gross, mysogntic men go online and harass women they both find attractive, and the ones they don't. They also bully men that try to defend women. They make this entire persona of being an asshole, who think that women shouldn't be able to vote, or justify why men are superior, and that's why men should be able to cheat and be abusive, and women should just submit and be grateful that someone deems them as "fuckable." Drew never goes after them, or anyone, without a reason. People love to think that once you login to a social media account, they get a few pass to bully without consequences. She generated a mass following so quickly for a reason. Sometimes people don't deserve to be treated with kindness from a "bigger person." They need an ass whooping. They need to be told that they're not shit. Social media allows anyone to voice an opinion, and a lot of people do not deserve that voice, for they just use it to abuse. Instead of reflecting, they always go to the go to of "well of course you 'won,' you have more followers." Instead of thinking, "hm, maybe I don't have a larger following because I'm an unfunny, cliche asshole," they just start insulting her and her followers more. They want everyone else to take the high road. They literally want to "debate" why their thinkings of misogyny are right. Good for her for making money and a name for herself off of the hate that's so abundant in this world. I'm tired of the likes of Andrew Tate, the Paul Brothers, and all of the other plain, insulting men that have nothing else to offer but hate and bigotry get famous. It's about time us ladies got someone to be expressive about the disgusting nature that a lot of young men are proud to be apart of.
Exactly! This is the point they’re missing. Who said she wants to take the high road? And why should she? Men certainly have made themselves synonymous with the ‘low road’ because they thought we couldn’t, shouldn’t or wouldn’t meet them there & set everything ablaze.
My favourite thing I’ve seen about fighting fire with fire is “people who say you can’t fight fire with fire clearly haven’t heard of controlled burns”
god this is so beautifully said
YES YES YES
Couldn't have voiced this better myself. 💙
While it's not really the point of the video I really hate it when people ignore or are super soft on teenagers that are being racist or misogynistic people don't magically stop being assholes when they turn 25, they grow and learn to be better people because others hold them accountable. I not saying punch a 13 year old in the face when they use a slur but also just sighing and saying they're just kids isn't the solution either
Racism and misogyny is taught. That’s why teens who hold these views need grace. Because they didn’t wake up one day and decide to be racist or misogynistic. They were taught these things.
_Old Enough To Know Better;_
*_Young Enough To Learn._*
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Perfect opinion✅
Exactly. I remember doing things at 13 that im embarrassed about now, but I stopped because people online would call me out for bad behavior. It didn't feel good, but it helped me grow as a person
the problem is her being weird with the comments about children's bodies
Here's my take on this;
Some men constantly hate how women look, even using the term "All women are ____" or "All women look like _____," so why is it so wrong when Drew says all misogynists look a certain way. She isn't bringing up all men, just those who're misogynists. If they can dish it out, they should be able to take it. She's simply doing what those men are doing to women. The only reason people have a problem with it is that a woman should be "kind" and "nice" when being critiqued, which she isn't doing.
We need to push past the idea that women need to be kind to people who're being assholes to them.
She attacks everyone omg she isn't Jesus Christ. She is literally sexist and a racist towards a gender and a race. She excludes people from conversations because they're "cIs wHiTe aNd Male". This automatically means they don't have an opinion? She is rude and doesn't deserve a platform. Right direction and Goal, completely wrong execution. All she does is create more feuds between genders and younger audiences. She is like a toddler stuck in a grown woman's body.
I'd say the issue is that there are bald and short men who aren't misogynistic and might be self conscious about those traits. Drew using bald and short as insults can be unintentionally insulting innocent people.
cuz a lot of midagonist are pretty
This is the one part of her argument that I disagree with. She is completely allowed to fight fire with fire, but to say “all misogynists have (insert trait here)” is equating that trait with being misogynistic, which isn’t fair to men who have those traits and have done nothing.
@@ep_bug4898 I don't see it that way. For example if you say "all japanese people are asian", you're not equating being asian to being japanese, just equating being japanese to being asian which isn't the same thing. The order of the words matters a lot.
I love Drew. I think she should be meaner, actually. These misogynistic men make me want to jump off a cliff, and it brings me so much warmth in my heart to see her response.
Absolutely agree! People are too nice with them in general, honestly they should get a whole experience of how they always were treating women.
So you cope with her hatefulness 😂😂, the red pill LIVES and will always be more popular so go cry
@@maninform3523 boohoo
@@lemqnshark the only one crying is you, drew is basically unknown outside of tiktok, which most adults that aren’t women don’t use 😂, i mean you can be in your echo chamber while she repeats the same process “laugh, say short man bad, laugh again, make unrelated racial comment then end up with a laugh” that’s her format.😂atleast red pillers can converse and aren’t pussy to even debate their views.
This is so real
Honestly, while roasting and insulting misogynists, incels, and MGTOW types may not be the most productive way to change their views, it's still hilarious, and with how fragile and insecure those little boys usually are, it could certainly give them a taste of their own medicine. I'm against bullying... but...
That’s the problem, there are many instances where she isn’t going after misogynistic men. Sh recently did a video making fun of dudes appearance who said nothing offensive in her comments
@@stephensehrbrock5613 I doubt thats true. Prove me wrong
@fantasywork2467 "honest" to you guys means men calling women fat and "not their type" unsolicited , and covering it up with "just having a preference"
@@stephensehrbrock5613 ok drop the link
@FantasyWork I honestly believe you're being sensitive over nothing
The fact that he showed the screenshot of what he called the '14 to 17 year olds' but were all actually adults was more of a burn than she could have come up with!
100% agree but bella is a trans woman who uses she/her
I think they were talking about Cooper @chemistry coston :)
@Chemistry Coston she still benefited from being a white man so there's know way she is over that. Plus she still looks like a white man. It really does make her arguments a little less relevant, even though Drew completely shattered her arguments anyway.
They look like guys that would bully him, as well.
@@chemistrycoston8249 …trans? Where? That’s a man
Peoples priority is policing how the victim responds. That says enough.
this 100%
Exactly! 👏👏
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14- and 17-year-olds can do harmful things and harmful rhetoric. Plus, Drew explains that when she makes fun of misogynistic men make fun of women but yet, they also don't fit into the beauty standards of men, so why do they think they should carry those standards for women, shouldn't they understand the harm?
What I learned from her:
Men only like being degraded when it’s from a woman they find attractive.
The point that Bella makes about them "being kids" is a very weak argument to make. I just turned 17 years old (so I'm still technically a kid) and I have faced countless times where men that are my own age say horrible misogynistic things to me. They are completely aware that they are hurtful things to say, and It doesn't take being above the age of 18 to realize that. To bring up the fact that drew is much older and "attacking" these "kids", they were calling her vile and disgusting names, on the internet. The internet is a free range where people can say whatever they want, so why can't she? She is allowed to stand up for herself and use their method of insulting AGAINST them. If they did not want that criticism and taste of their own medicine, they simply should have not posted that in the first place. It's that simple, and it does not matter the age that I am to realize that those are disgusting things to say.
YES!!! There were so many dudes when I was in school who would dehumanize the hell out of women and just reply to criticism with “boys will be boys”
And they’d get mad that girls (and me, trans masc perceived as a girl at that time) wouldn’t “mind there business” they made it everyone’s business by being so damn loud
If boys can verbally and physically assault women, then they’re old enough to take the consequences for it 🙌
also the “looks” argument was trash. she never said everyone who is fat, bald, short etc was misogynistic but she did say all womenhaters are in fact those things. those phrases are not synonymous. these men will be offended over anything 💀
I’m pretty sure he’s the dude who makes drama with Barbie dolls
Yeah no I was fucking 12 when some boys in my class asked me about me(femme presenting at the time) and my girlfriend and how we had sex. They were old enough to do that they were old enough to get roasted for it.
"be the bigger person" is often said by people to hush someone who is speaking their truth. Whilst I dont watch Drew's content, expecting her to fight bigotry in a more "passive" or "graceful" way is like telling her to be the bigger person. Fighting prejudice with silence is not fighing prejudice, I hope she keeps making content like this!
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Exactly 😂
as much as i appreciate live laugh love... sometimes, in my frustration, i actually consider "if we can't have positive equality, we gonna settle for toxic equality"
so, idk her content or anything she said...I'm not encouraging her acts....all i gotta say is...i understand 💀
It’s the same logic behind “punch Nazis.” If there are enough people insisting on the dehumanization and degradation of others, if they keep insisting on some idea of biological superiority and this weird eugenics idea of biological entitlement to more power- then like, we need to start making it clear that their actions and opinions aren’t acceptable.
@@blythetaylor4063 exactly, we gonna speak the language you understand...🤷🏻♀️
I love Drew because she’s the whole embodiment of “If its good for the goose, it’s good for the gander.” Too many sh*tty men are comfortable being directly hateful and poignantly misogynistic directly towards either a specific person or woman in general. They feel safe doing that because no one does it in return to them. And now someone does.
In her own words “I never said I was nice.” The people offending you are not obligated to control your reaction. That’s kind of the point. If you don’t want to be open to criticism or getting sh*t-on on social media, maybe don’t be a sh*thead openly on social media. You’re taking time out of your day, literally going out of your way, to be an AH to someone you don’t personally know online. What’s it like to have so much free time? Get a job, make a friend, get a doctor’s appt to remove your head from your ass, idk… and idc. But if you’re getting upset with someone treating you the way you treat other people, maybe you need to treat other people better.
That isn't all she's doing though; if it was, then that'd be fine. Watch podcasts with her. Drew will attack any one that makes a critique on modern day Western feminism or societal norms that are biased against men. Her philosophy is ultimately incoherent and immoral like Andrew Tate's in the sense it is tribalistic without any sense of nuance or introspection whatsoever.
"any friend of brittany´s is a friend of mine"
those truly are words to live by
Imagine him and drew making a collab
Plssas
I disagree that Drew saying that " bald men are misogynists" is not reactionary . She's using it as a result of sexist men who say all feminisnts are fat and ugly or "past their prime"
i think it's worth mentioning from the first point as well that drew is not the one who set that standard that being short and bald is ugly. these standards were created and are upheld by men. so she is not spreading the idea that being bald and short are ugly, she's catering to her audience and using the standards that they have created for themselves because they don't care when women say stop being misogynistic
And it's only women who judge you for these standards dummy
exactly - shes using the patriarch against itself. its literally poetic when you think about it
i also find that she never said that fat/bald/short = ugly womanhater. she said ugly womanhaters = fat/bald/short. which is different, those characteristics don’t make a misogynist but a misogynist almost always has one of those characteristics.
@@pixie9499 she's not going to suck you off
I swear to god, People lack braincells
@@pixie9499how do you not understand that’s not ok. “Oh I’m not saying all fat people are bad, I’m just call all bad people fat because I know it’s not the beauty standard and seen as negative” how do you think it feels for plus sized people to see their weight be used as an insult or an indication of indecency? That’s like saying you don’t think all Black people commit crime but everyone committing crime is black. Equating something that isn’t an inherently negative trait with something that is
everything aside “Lizzie might be dead but my Queen still living” made me laugh
i feel like bella is just taking every single thing and face value and not thinking “maybe this could be a joke” because i’m sure she doesn’t genuinely think all misogynistic men are bald. it’s a joke …
As much as I understand the point this dude was making, you have to also understand Drew. She’s a plus-sized woman of color who both wears heavy makeup or barely any.
She’s been criticized on the basis of her appearance and nothing else, same with other women. I feel like Drew’s comments all come from a place of personal anger. So many women have wanted to change who they are and become something unachievable.
Whilst I’m not saying bullying is the answer, the question still stands: Why should we care about men’s self-image when they’ve never cared about ours?
Because that's where you're wrong, men do care, they care all the time you guys just don't choose the men who care, you guys don't look for the men who care what you girls look for is the bad boy's static because it's eye candy for you, because the good guys with good personality don't radiate the same energy, the 83% don't live up to the standards you want so you go after the 17% of men who don't care about you, those same 17% of men are the exact ones you keep talking about, those don't care but you choose to count laughter them anyway because of two things (1. You want a guy who has the bad boy looks to him but also is incredibly sweet and caring, you want the best of both worlds, but that rarely ever happens. (2. You're the type of person who has the "I can fix you" mentality, Which is a problem that we don't tell enough men and women when they get into a relationship you can't fix that person they need to work on themselves, Is you try to fix that person, they will only end up hurting you.If you want men who actually care then try surrounding yourself with good people, but you need to make sure that you work on yourself before you look for those people because you may not be ready, and that's all right.
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OMFG, R/NICEGUYS THAT'S WHERE YOU BELONG!! 🤣🤡
@@Im_Iconic-Youre_Ironic nah, that would be you
She also goes to the gym so it's she's morbidly obese person who everyone makes fun of
Also her not being white is irrelevant, People also make fun of white people appearance all the time
Dream, ginger People, British People, Justin beiber all of these are white and are made fun off all the time
She ALSO critcizes People only on thier appearance and barely counters their arguments
So you admit she's using her personal anger to do the bad things she do ? Well she's not a reasonable person then
Both Genders make fun of each other appearance all the time, however if you're just being a bully to a bully then neither sided are doing anything productive, both sides are acting like 6 yrs old children
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Not even a guy so... Point irrelevant
Out of curiosity, why haven’t you posted this on tiktok yet? This is honestly the most fair and persuasive argument regarding the situation that I’ve seen from anyone! It even helped change my mind on a few things about how I initially felt about it.
@@Artemis_A-24 what about men like andrew tate ? He became famous because of the awful things he said about. Women
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Do u even know what body shaming is?
@@Artemis_A-24 I think you forgot he actually suports drew
@@Artemis_A-24 sounds like somebody is the kind of guy Drew's videos are about. Defensive much.
It’s too long, I think the max vid length on TikTok is 3 minutes
I recognize the guy, i think he was the same guy who got triggered by people making fun of a criminal male crying after being sentenced. Im pretty sure the criminal did something to a kid, and this guy crawls in trying to make it about making fun of men crying... when no one was making fun of him because hes male. They were mocking him because he was a vile criminal.
im 90% sure this is the same dude who also called women sensitive and terrible names when they didn’t like being called a bitch by him. he thought he got a free pass to be misogynistic because hes gay.
bella uses she/her btw
To be fair, the dudes I've known who go down one of the many women hating pipelines, often do shave their heads outta choice to look more "masculine", not necessarily because they are balding.
I think in our society women are forced to be the bigger person and be held accountable for our actions, while men are treated like kindergarteners and given a timeout for doing and saying horrible things. I believe that she is just bringing them up to the level that women have been at forever, and then these men are crying about it, like that standers are so high, when there just being raised to level with women.
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Hey Coop, I really liked this video! I also think one could make the argument that her focus on "short" and "balding" doesn't really stem from a personal opinion of those characteristics, but moreso come into play because they are "obvious" targets--in the sense that they are things men are known to be commonly insecure about. Kind of like when men call a woman fat or ugly after getting rejected. It doesn't matter if she is or not, and it doesn't matter whether the man dislikes her "fatness" or "ugliness" or not. It's just something they say because they know it probably hits them in a place that hurts. I always interpreted those jokes as another method of giving them a dose of their own medicine. The dynamic it drives home for me is that she just completely ignored everything they said and boiled them down to "bald" or "short"--perceived flaws in their physical appearance, which should have no relevance. This feels very reminiscent of: woman produces content -> man doesn't like it -> man is more likely to express disapproval by publicly attacking her physical appearance and only her physical appearance than I presume he would be if he were responding to a male creator. By attacking physical appearance instead of leaving it as strictly a response to their argument/stance, she objectifies them in the same way. Disclaimer: I haven't seen many of her videos, so this may be off-base because I'm lacking a lot of context, it is just another interpretation that came to mind when I saw this video. Great video!
Nah she should be meaner actually. Men have been unapologetically berating our gender for a millennium. Let them get a taste of their medicine. I’d encourage “nice guys” that are balding and taking offense to understand that we’re simply fighting back and keep it moving.
Misogyny is the oldest bigotry.
fr i am so done with people being like we have to do it “peacefully” like i get the thing yes thing should be peaceful but peace will not help you win your rights back you have to defend yourself and fight back
The answer to misogyny isn't misandry. Anti-individualist thinking is how we're in the messes we're already in. Collectivist thought needs to end on all fronts.
@@pinkkfloydd but she isn’t a misandrist she is defending and retaliating to those misogynists
@@Exmuslim_caffeine Upholding beauty standards is not helping anything either tho? I think these guys just need constructive criticism (or just normal good criticism) rather than petty bickering. Conventionally un-attractive guys seeing that a lot of woman see them as potentially misogynist or abusive might make them generalise women inherently upholding the values that some of these women see. This is a painful cycle, perpetuated by everyone, and hurts everyone.
Tbh I don't think insulting appearance,that could apply to innocent people, is okay but I definitely see her point. I still wouldn't do it tho. I only insult their stupidity and ignoranceeee.
My take is that these men use the term "All women" when attacking appearance. So why is it so wrong when Drew says, "All misogynists." She isn't attacking all men like these boys are doing.
@@tanya-s it's always wrong, be it Drew or anyone else. What Drew is doing is body shaming and not ok, unless it's directed against the misogynists *while on an active discussion with them*. Even then it's not ok, but It's fair since they're doing the same.
@@tanya-s If you actually watch podcasts with her, you'd know that isn't all she is doing. Drew will attack any one that makes a critique on modern day Western feminism or societal norms that are biased against men. Her philosophy is ultimately incoherent and immoral like Andrew Tate's in the sense it is tribalistic without any sense of nuance or introspection whatsoever.
I SUPPORT ALL HER RIGHTS AND WRONGS!
Tbh you can tell Bella just took the bald comment personally and felt attacked. His commentary didn't seem thought through further than that
*her
I liked this video, it considered both points of views seriously so the viewers may draw different conclusions from yours while still telling your own conclusion
I appreciate you using your image for this commentary, being the demographic you are and choosing to make space these important themes WHILE keeping a tone of deferring to her, acknowledging her words and response ARE ENOUGH as is
Thanks bro
Women dont have to be nice to be right. This needs to be on some merch!! This is my favorite thing I've heard come out of another man's mouth!! So thank you for that ❤
"I'm basically a communist and I'm saving myself for marriage... or until a woman wants to kiss me." Truer words have never been said.
so fxing relatable
Everything u said in that vid was put perfectly thankyou for explaining it so clearly 👌👍
Random thought, but wasn't she referencing Andrew Tate with the whole bald short thing??? Am I just jumping to conclusions? Or is it just the whole traditional beauty standards thing?
I think you can cherry pick anyone’s content, and Drew doesn’t do anything that the men she goes after wouldn’t. In fact, the men she goes after would likely do much worse
Everything she says is completely warranted and should be meaner
My opinion: people are easily offended. Especially men 😂
10/10 opinion, perfect as always
One thing I'll say about the "bald, short" or whatever other "non-conventionally" attractive characteristics is that i often recognize that people, especially this type of men, who are spreading this hate are insecure about themselves and/or just want to put other people down. There is absolutely nothing wrong with short or bald men, in fact a LOT of short and or bald men are conventionally attractive (bruno mars is gorgeous and is only like 5'6 i think, Jason Statham is bald and very attractive, and yall can't tell me that Danny Davito isnt a national treasure who is a beloved, short, bald king.) The "problem" with these characteristics is that they might be insecure about it, so when it gets pointed out on THEM it hurts them, but for regular, non-horrible, misogynistic, abusive people, its a perfectly fine quality.
So when Drew and other people call them out/ give them a taste of their own medicine, its not a "oh we can all play the bullying game" but more of a "heres what you sound like when you do it to other people. Does it hurt your feelings? Well, maybe you should stop doing it to all these other people."
Also (sorry this is so long) but Drew (i assume) is really intelligent. And on the other side these awful people aren't ignorant, nor have they demonstrated that they deserve grace..... like at all. So Drew isn't gonna sit there and baby them and explain what they said was wrong and why. Theres NO CHANCE these people dont know that it's wrong, and clearly they only listen to when she shuts them down. Lets stop acting like shes the problem and start supporting the fact that shes not afraid to stand up to them, and for others. (Especially since yall KNOW people literally get doxxed and death threats over 1 person not getting their way, so lets be fr and recognize the REAL problem, and that shutting her down is NOT the solution.)
Mkay im done, Go Drew, Go Cooper!
Wow! Where to begin.
Danny Davito (rich and famous)
Jason Statham (rich and famous)
Bruno Mars (rich and famous)
If all these men were bus drivers, garbage men, or a construction workers. They wouldn't have options and more so over looked by women because of them being short and/or bald.
@@StoicBehavioRliterally no point in arguing.There are delusional af
I think someone could argue that entrenching beauty standards at all, as in "you're worth less because you're unattractive", is not really combatting misogyny or bigotry. some women go bald. Making men feel bad about not hitting standards the patriarchy set for them MIGHT ultimately re-inforce the patriarchy instead of attacking it.
I don't dislike Drew, I don't know her. I don't think her content is activism or funny, but I see the appeal for some. I do think this kind of shit-flinging back and forth being her whole brand which she amasses profit from is doomed for destruction though. She's gonna end up attacking someone who definitely doesn't deserve it, or accidentally say something bigoted.
I don't even think my problem is with Drew. I think my problem is with tiktok. It's a platform that encourages people to act at their most misogynistic, their most extreme, their most combative. I hate that these misogynists only put the worst part of themselves online. I hate that the only thing I see of Drew Afualo is her at her most mean, fighting with a stranger. You don't get to 7 million followers without some kind of algorithm encouraging your behaviour. I think tiktok is just actively working against making the world a nicer, more understanding place, and I think I'm gonna delete it lol
@@ActuallyNotHayden
She is a woman of color that gets fatphobic "jokes" on daily bases just for defending minorities. I saw other people of color and lgbtqia who are thankful to her. Other women, me included me...
U should have seen how many d3ath threats she recieved which we know happen
We are tired of being told how to respond to trauma.
So women and feminists always have to be prim and proper and respectful in their criticism, while men that say and do the most vile things have millions defending them...cool
Perfectly articulated, great video 👍
I think this is such a well articulated video. It’s broken down perfectly and very fairly. Really starting to love love love your content! 🖤🖤
i think she used bald and short bc those are✨usually✨ huge insecurities for misogynistic men who value appearances over personality 😵💫
Me and this woman have the same name! Power for the Drews!
New internet challenge: Try not to get your feelings hurt when I woman gives you the same energy you give her (especially if you are a man)
wait, somehow men found it insulting that she put actual characteristics to terrible men?! i remember this happening. she didn’t say all men that are fat, bald, etc are misogynists BUT all misogynists are these things. why are they defending misogynists? simply for the sake of defense?
She isn't just going after misogynists (if you watch podcasts with her). Or rather, she thinks anyone who critiques modern day Western feminism or has concerns for issues men face is a misogynist.
Well here you are defending Drew who is a misandrist and a racist! Only 3 months ago she called white men for " Cockroaches AKA white men". Bad statement, her evil exposed. I guess you support hatred!
Okay so, what she's saying int he first par, is that all MISOGNISTIC men are bald and/or short, she wasn't saying that all BALD/SHORT men are misogynistic, there's a big difference, and I think the miscommunication is the biggest problem, because she was just sayin that her theory is all misogynists are bald and/or short, not that all short, bald men are misogynists.
I just realized cooper said the exact same thing lol, i paused just before that and commented🤣🤣
Drew is doing lord's work. Absolutely every woman has dealt with misogyny at least once. Comments about appearance, intelligence, behavior, lifestyle, style, work. Very often it becomes very harmful and women lose their reputation, jobs and lives because of that. Physical abuse, sexual assaults, violence, kidnappings and murders. All for being told "you asked for it" afterwards. And all kinds of abuse towards women were happening since the beginning of the time, it was even worse back than and it became better because women fought for it, not because males suddenly became decent human beings. And now they cry because someone on the internet called them bold. Males should get over themselves, world doesn't revolve around them anymore and they should say thank you that we still don't treat them the same way they were treating women for centuries. I have zero sympathy for them.
I was sexually assaulted by a woman years back. Does that abuse allow me to lump all women together and become a misogynist?
Of course not. Misandry isn't the answer to misogyny; collectivist and anti-individualist thinking is how we're in the messes we're in now.
Ugh, I can't stand comments like "only unattractive men are misogynists." Acting like conventionally attractive people can't be terrible people is incredibly harmful and has real world consequences. For example, it being more difficult to get people to believe that an attractive person is guilty of SA because "well they shouldn't have to since theyre hot" or "oh theyre hotter than you so how could they have done that to you?" That has reallly damaging consequences and misunderstands why and how people seek out positions of power to the detriment of everyone around them.
Also, just to articulate. As far as I have understood, her argument is not that the traits are ugly, but that they should not be critiquing something that they don't do themselves -- like a "clean your own closet."
All hail Queen Drew
Sounds like a cult
What crack house are you in?
@@noahsawyer7155 Nah, and it's just a joke
I never heard of Drew, but I now love her. She’s so right abt every single thing I heard her say in the video, and I think she should be even meaner. I love that she does what she does, cause I wanna do exactly that but am scared that I will get the attacks that she constantly get, so I’m glad SOMEONE is doing it.
Misandrist spotted!
@@janexerikus8021I love misandry
@@thechumbucket8986 Ofc you love hatred. If you are hated back because of your race or your gender, you should shush about it because you yourself "LOVE" hatred. Take the hate that you are giving others.
@@thechumbucket8986 and i love misogyny 😂😂
I feel like from childhood, many girls are expected to sort things out, be emotionally mature, and be the bigger person, while any misstep or impulse their brothers have is excused with a “boys will be boys” attitude. I think you put it very well when you said “women don’t have to be nice to be right.”
Also, when parents don’t tell their kids they are aholes, they become bigger aholes. A little kid rode by me on a bike with his hand out. I didn’t know what was going on and just rode by. He called me a “c$nt”. I yelled back “I’m sorry your parents are related to make you that way”. So his friends (and hopefully parents) could hear.
Drew never said that she was nice 😉
“Woman don’t have to be nice to be right” I see new worthy merch on the horizon
omg sweetest youtuber ever ♡ i love how kind he is fr never change that
I dont think its about telling her to "be the better person". To me its about friendly fire. If you're making fun of a mean person's lazy eye, or any other trait you have no control over, you are also making fun of someone else's. Imo.
Like if there was a friend who was making fun of someones weight, and you yourself are heavy set, would that not hurt you as well? Would you see that person as a good person or trust that they didnt see you the same way?
Men tend to respond differently based on how fuck able you are to them, in everything. Hold the door for you or not? Tip well or not? Accept a read with humor or rage? Etc. Women are treated based on how men read their value in this way.
MANY MANY women have OF, so they themselves proves men right when the men are saying "your body is what is valueable". If not, women should maybe stop using OF and selling their bodies, so to prove the men wrong by their ACTIONS, not by their words.
Personally, I don't think attacking people's physic is necessary, especially when someone is already a horrible person for their actions but I understand that if that person is insulting your appearance then they're opening the way for you to answer the same way, so I don't think she's wrong
I don’t like using insults degrading appearance and other superficial things to dismantle misogynists, HOWEVER she has stated that she uses this tactic because using reason doesn’t work with this type of people (which I agree) and she’d rather make them feel uncomfortable enough to stop posting than to fail at trying to reason with them. Also it’s important to remember that the hatefulness these men are spreading on the internet is WAY more damaging than her calling a man bald and short ever will be.
When she started collabing with a fast fashion company and we criticised her bc she's a feminist who knows very well who's exploited the most through fast fashion, and she's a creator with a massive following at the time several million, Drew reacted like any responsible adult would and immediately blocked everyone, then ranted and mocked the people she blocked over several story slides pretending she did it for the broke girlies and that she had a hard time finding clothes for her size so of course the only brand that could offer solace was Shein ❤
i knew i shouldn't have read the comments- some of the opinions in here are scaring me lmao
R u talking they r against Drew?
9:15 that's the sweetest thing you've ever said, Cooper.
I hate when people argument is “youre doing it wrong” when they aren’t doing anything at all
I feel like this was a very thoughtful and well done take
Being mean to bad people might be okay but surely is very cheap. I just don't like that type of response and probably that's why I've never heard about Drew before today.
Lol so you give them fresh baked cookies?
It's not her job to fix them and she's got every right to insult people who've insulted her.
I only saw bellas video when this was happening, and I'm happy I didn't stick to their side. Drew is actually a good person
She did not say that all bald or short men are misogynists. She did say that misogynists are usually bald, short , or have other physical flaws.
She’s implying (and I believe she’s 100% correct) that misogynists tend to have things about their own appearances that they dislike, and so they lash out at women because of it. And not all women are innocent either. A lot of women are cruel because of a man’s height, or if they’re bald. So these men who have most likely been rejected in the past, are now hateful of women, and lashing out at women and attacking their appearances.
Again, she NEVER said that all bald or short men are misogynist. And she’s still a reactionist. She’s not going to lash out or attack a man who is being perfectly kind and peaceful. Fight fire with fire. If a man wants to run his mouth about how a woman looks, and has his own glaringly obvious physical flaws, he better be ready for the criticism that will come.
Drew is lashing out on men, white men more ofc, calling them "COCKROACHES AKA WHITE MEN". Imagine saying that to a black male or a jew? The truth is, she is a hateful person, and you like her. In short, you like hatred and you like racists and misandrists!
Drew doesn't OWE anyone taking the high ground or being flawlessly accurate in her representation of the people literally harassing her though. Besides I feel like it is just using patriarchy beauty standards for men to insult them, when they are harassing her. Short fat kings can be attractive people and partners, and conventionally attractive men can be unappealing. To put it their way: in his heart, his hairline is behind his ears. It's not the hairline on your head that matters but the hairline in your heart. So stupid but so is bullying women for existing in a corporeal form you happen to not want to fuck.
It’s funny that Cooper thinks a WOMAN wouldn’t want to kiss him. I. Wanna kiss him.
Same here 😅
Being the bigger person or a pacifist is a luxury only a privileged person or an oppressor can afford. You're either not affected by the attacks taking place or you can afford to take a hit or two.
Drew goes after POS men who have invested energy in attacking a group of people or a singular victim. Why should she be the one to take responsibility for keeping a respectful tone?
I've had men threatening me with violence for absolutely no reason and if you tell me I would be mean if I tell them to f off, then you probably have had a really nice life. Sometimes the only thing these guys will understand is fighting fire with fire. Have I threatened to beat up an old man cause he was yelling at me in the street? Yes. Did he back off and never bother me again? Absolutely. Stay safe ya'll!
I don't understand how so many people here are comfortable with body shaming? I am not saying you shouldn't be mean to awful fucking people, but thinking you are actually okay to act literally exactly like the type of person you despise isn't really mature at all, aren't we all agreeing that we know we are better than those awful people, why are we going low on their niveau, and literally knowing this will not change their opinion. No one is obligated to be the one that changes a misogynist, to have discussions with them THAT I think is a privilege that many think is owed to them. Still don't believe its fucking okay to bodyshame people, very similar to when people only use the correct pronouns for people that are good in their eyes, its like you have to earn to have BASIC HUMAN RESPECT, it just shows your true side.
She’s right I agree with her method
i think when she said “misogynists are bald….” etc, she was saying that because she knows those are characteristics that they care about, she knows that it’ll hurt their feelings, not cause those are necessarily features she personally cares about yk
What's the outro song? 😢 I have been looking and need it in my playlist.
Really? She's just obnoxious. Drew knows how attractive she is she knows how to play also
oh… all misogynists are short bald men??? really?
I DONT WANNA EVER HEAR ANYONE TALK ABOUT MR. WORLDWIDE LIKE THAT…ever.
Caught me off guard saying my name in there, Coop.
I haven’t even started the video but I can tell you no, she is not in the wrong
I was so nervous to watch this, terrified that you’d be against Drew! I’m so glad I did watch it and got the clarification. You’re a true ally.
when i was a teenager my friends and i would use the 'f' slur all the time. not in any context directed specifically towards gay people or even using it as an insult in reference to gay people in general. to us it was just a funny sounding curse words that we would use amongst each other.
however i'm currently 29, in 3 months i'll be 30 and it's been YEARS since I've used that word. Times change, people grow up and learn and change along with the times. It's not even comparable to someone who's currently engaging in that sort of behavior regardless of their age. When I was a teenager it was a different world and that word wasn't seen anywhere near as offensive as it is now and most teenagers are old enough to know better.
She never said she didn’t mean it. She said she DOES mean it
Conflicting feelings. On one hand im like " ya match there energy." Then in the other hand, im think, " to match their stupid energy makes you just as stupid, attack them with logic. that way there can be a discussion and potental room for growth."
Ive seen her videos, but i cant get behind her due to the fact that shes not getting anywhere with her combacks, that her " critiques" are just bullying them right back, and then thinking shes better because shes not on their side while doing the same thing their doing. ( the men she talks about are massaginistic, so they do deserve it. )But... then it makes her look just as bad in the way shes comming back at them.
If andrew tate came up to me and said " women are stupid." Id say " you know whats actually stupid is sex trafficking women." That being factual wouldn't leave much room for a rebuttal.
However, if i come back with " well your bald." Though he may deserve it, it wouldn't get anyone anywhere.
she has a holyer than thou comlex as well, or at least thats what it comes off like ( which in some cases good on her, but then on the other had it just comes off as cocky a as an annoying personality type.)
Also the statment she made about the other women stealing her jokes, she may have a point. like the men could have found the other woman more attractive, and it makes sence why she might feel bad in the sence that her message was being seen as more reseptive because it was being done by a different women. ) but again, its the holyer than thou " she stole my jokes." When more than two people ( espeshally because shes not famous in the sense that everyone knows who shes is) is a pretty broud claim to make, unless she was stealing ALOT of her personal content. Also more than two people can have simaler personality types.
Im not trying to hate, just feel as though mattching energy in some cases is good, but stooping to some elses level isn't the way to do that.
Idk why anyone would mess with her in the first place. You do not mess with a Poly. They got Hella fam that will come after your ass!
I’m not drew but I think it’s likely that the reason she doesn’t stitch conventionally attractive men and labels misogynists with traditionally lesser attractive qualities is because she’s trying to create a narrative that it’s in general pretty undesirable. There’s no reason to feed into the idea that it’s Alpha and makes you a bad boy only to convince influential young people into thinking it’s something they should do or say to be like some of the other dangerous influencer males out there.
I know this is an old video, but i really appreciate how you go back and forth between each point and saying what you agree vs disagree and how each point can be viewed differently
im not misogynistic, but tbh, using “bald” and “short” as an insult is not nice, and could be considered bullying.
not only that, but going after literal kids who did nothing wrong and calling them “unathletic b!tches” is disgusting.
this isnt justified at all, and is harassment
I dont think attacking or making fun of people's looks is ever okay. I feel like it's just always a shitty thing to do. I definetly dont think shes really doing much wrong- and I get why its good- but I think she should make fun of LITERALLY anything else. Style, mannerisms, personality, literally anything. Making fun of people for something genetic (I dont know if shes ever mentioned it but that includes weight just as a reminder) is just low.
I fucking worship Drew. I think a lot of people dislike her because shes not nice. We need to stop telling women to be the bigger person. We are being murdered and the men attacking us are crying because shes calling them ugly.
i always love watching his takes on these type of things because it is funny but also his comments are actually really sensible and i like the views he takes for both sides
"im a communist and saving myself for marriage" i need merch of that now
WAIT I JUST LOOKED YOU JUST HIT 900K CONGRATS COOPER
I think its so much more impactful to be educational and not attack arbitrary qualities like height. Being rude is just gonna push people away from learning. There are good ways to fight sexism and fighting fire with fire doesn't work.
i dunno, she's sus to me. her intentions are good but she's sus.
ur amazing period
Yo i literally have the same lava lamp as him