OffSet Eclipse Double Bass Drum Pedal Demo
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- Опубліковано 28 лип 2019
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The OffSet Eclipse double bass pedal offers a radical new way to arrange your drums and hardware. Unlike traditional in-line double pedals, which force you to compromise tone and playing style for ease of setup, the Eclipse unlocks a playing experience unlike anything else on the market. The Eclipse's dual offset footboards flank a free-standing central pedestal that mounts safely to any standard bass drum hoop, for unmatched ergonomics, increased stability, and a consistent attack between beaters. Now you can align your kick and snare drums in a straight line for more comfortable performance, increased session longevity, and better stereo imaging with modern miking techniques.
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It’s a clever solution to a problem that doesn’t exist for most people. That said, this is just what someone is looking for.
just more stuff to get in the way is what it looks like to me. you can perfectly balance a good set of double kicks, this product is a bit pointless
It's a mixed bag of pros and cons. I own one and it reduces rotational strain on the spine (pro) but makes tom placement over virgin bass drums a real pain in the butt without the right clamps (con). Also, extra driveshaft means another source of slop (con) but identical feel in both pedals without spending a fortune on another bass drum + heads + tuning/no worry about beaters not hitting on the center (pro). If you're going for semi-symmetry in the kit, this is pretty solid of an investment, and can always be improved later on because the u joint shafts share the same half moon shape as most imported made in asia pedals. Personally, I'll be adding Speed Cobra boards to these + zero lag U joints in the future.
You don't get to speak for most people. Sorry to piss on your parade.
@@DoubleD_93 they have a direct drive conversion made of metal zero lag for these
@@j.d.7208 the direct drive attachment doesn't address the slop in the U joints of the driveshafts.
This should be called Symmetrical Double pedal, not offset.
All the other ones should be called offset.
Exactly!!!! Thank you!
Offset is the brand.
Good point, the brand should be called Symmetrical
André Silva cardi put the Brain on offset
I couldn't agree more
The world needs more drummers. Thanks for sharing this
Ive wanted this pedal for months now. Thanks Nick for the demo.
I have this pedal and don't really like it. It is smooth and both pedals feel exactly the same, but the spring cam action just makes it feel weird and I can't get used to it. So, I swapped out all the spring cams and chain cams and foot boards with Tama Iron cobra parts and now it is AWESOME! The best part is how I can set up my kit balanced to center. No more turning sideways to reach the floor tom!
would love to see a video on this if you have it
@Heinz Doofenshmirtz - do you have any video or photos of this conversion?
@@JohnHenryDale dude that’s what I’m saying..
Old thread but, having just ordered the Eclipse, I will keep your replace parts idea in case that's desired. Thanks!
I did it. I bought this pedal and it is the best thing I should have done long ago. It solved my ergonomics. I have chronic back pain and this pedal allows full access to all of my drums without twisting my body causing pain resulting in longer playing time. I would highly recommend this pedal to anyone with chronic back pain. If you don't use a double drum pedal I still recommend it. No more twisting your body to reach your snare and high hat. I don't think there is any other thing you could do to positively affect your ergonomics in a better way.
More comfort in your playing without the strain. Love it!
I'm not even a drummer (guitarist here) and I want this pedal!
Does this pedal beat DS-1 tho?
@@Zwedgy Just like any intrument you simply have to try it to find out if it works for you. Personally, I am going to order one for my studio to have as an option for clients.
I’m a drummer, and I always check out guitar gear for no reason, haha
@@jasonstearns2610 I guess we don't have to be everything to appreciate everything. Cheers.
That's stupid
I have to get one of these. I have chronic back pain. This looks like the answer to help me reach my floor toms without twisting to far. It will allow me to move my body farther to the left while keeping my right foot in range of my right pedal. I'm excited. When i save the money, I'm going to have one of these.
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Can you please review the tama dyna sync double pedal?????
Ive been having shoulder pain lately after I switched back to acoustic from electric kit. I have bad tendonitis and its been killing me. I went to pick up some cymbals today and they had one of these in the store and they showed it to me. Now I have a much tighter playing area on my kit (its already a small 20" Yamaha kit) and its going to help my shoulder a LOT! AND its a little faster than my Speed Cobras were!
I've been waiting for a good HQ demo of this pedal!
I've been looking for this pedal since big bang
Awesome idea!
That snare drum sound amazing
Not really sure what that has to do with a foot pedal demo but ok lol
Yeah that's one of the better snare sounds Sweetwater has got from a snare drum. Most times it's just a pingy mess with no fundamental tone.
awesome fast bass pedal sensibility
Never seen a sweetwater drum review with this guy
I've been playing Offset pedals for almost 20 years. I love the ergonomics and feel. Also, they're built like a tank!
Nobody plays nor explains and rewievs as good as you!
Now I want a drum kit. 😎
Great pedal system, I can get my hihat
pedal closer now!
There is another way my teacher told and showed years ago. Just put your hi-hat on the inside of tour off-set pedal and BOOM there you have your single pedal setup again 😎
This is my second favorite double pedal. I like the Tama Speed Cobra 910. Imagine the Speed Cobra center aligned with the bass drum!
I don't what's wrong with the people at tama to think that putting one beater in the exact center and the other off to the side is a good thing.
My pearl demon drive has both beaters centered like the offset. The Axis A772 I had before my demons did the same.
@@captaincumexplosion I'll tell you a little secret, but don't tell anyone... 🤫
In Tama double pedals you can adjust the main beater to equal the secondary one so they both can be slightly offset from the center of the head if that's what you want. Just loosen a screw, slide the beater holder to the side until it equals the other, tighten the screw and you're done. If you think that both beaters are then too far from the center of the head, just replace the beaters with wider ones of your choice.
And of course you can return to the original setting whenever you want. This is useful for people who uses double or single pedal configuration depending on the situation, so when they uses single, the beater is centered.
Honestly, I don't usually bother in doing it because most of the times I can't notice much dfference in sound between both beaters when I play double bass patterns or fills unless they're really slow, and I'm not that picky anyway.
The pearl eliminator redline double pedal beaters are also set to hit equal zones on the batter head which is great. Most double pedals aren't like that.
I didn't know I needed this untill just now lol
Same in getting it in a week with the direct drive conversion kit I can't wait
Now you can have the slave pedal lag on BOTH pedals!
but it’s even
Sonor used to have a double pedal that was similar to this year's ago. I think they stopped selling it due to the lack of interest and sales, but i always wanted it. I wish I could have gotten one but I could never find one. It sure makes setting up your drums easier especially when you have 4 rack toms, and you could put the snare between your legs.
Lack of interest and sales, but more importantly, patent fued between the creator of these pedals (Chip Fisher) and Sonor. He was licensing either part or all of the design to Sonor for their Giant Step pedals, but between the insane price tag and licensing headaches, they stopped making them from what I have read.
Me too! Always wanted a Gigant Step by Sonor, but the pricing was way too expensive. And now that I can afford one of those they are not making the anymore… 😅
I need this !!!!
This pedal is absolutely amazing! BUT some of the screws inside of the arms come loose quite often so I have to tighten them back pretty often. Whenever I get it smooth however, it’s nice. Not having to twist my back super far for my floor toms is SO helpful! I highly recommend
add a tiny dab of blue loctite thread lock ;)
@@marctrailblazer9627 😀
I want it! I bet that's so comfortable.
I Love It !!
I wand to see how it looks on a Full kit!!
I can't wait to have it 😮💨😁 in Peru
Will be great for lefty
Dang... that is lit!
Makes me want to make a full ambidextrous kit, Hats on both sides of each pedal, toms that go in both directions.
Did that. I'm left handed and it's always awkward sitting in because most drummers are right handed. SO, I made a kit that was left AND right handed, two hi-hats, two rides, two up and one down toms for righties, one up and two down for lefties. First time I used it for multiple drummers everything left got moved out, right handed stuff stayed. First drummer wanted to remove this pedal and put his on. Oh well............
I’m sold
Nice snare
Armazing!!!
Will Calhoun should try this pedal!
Imagine using a deep 12 inch tom as you highest tom.. placed on top of the bass drum. Its either use shallow toms or 20 below bass drum to accommodate the tom placements above it.
Cool stuff tho :)
I bought this pedal a few years ago and had to bolt them down with the angle I wanted to a sheet of steel so it would stop moving around. The more you angle the pedals, the more power is required to play so keep that in mind. Getting the snare positioned so the beaters wouldn't hit it on the back stroke took some manual tweekage. The clamp on this thing is not very reliable. I've made some modification to it. The jaw on the clamp doesnt like flat hoops or hoops with the indentation on them. Considering both pedals are offset, the thrust generated while playing would require a bad ass clamp, a clamp stronger than that of a single pedal clamp ffs. Pretty cool piece of gear but it takes more energy to use. Good luck getting it to stay put, and stay clamped while your chugalugging and blasting away. I left a review on amazon after first purchasing and updated that review once I played some gigs.
Good points- thanks. Maybe I’ll make some of those recommended modifications. Good to be forewarned 😱
That is a great pedal. How about the placement of the floor tom?
On the off-set pedal website you can convert the pedal to a direct drive pedal with the direct drive kit ....FYI
THANK YOU
I would like to see how the set looks with toms and cymbals with bas centered in the middle.
Perfect solution for people who wants to use 3 kick drums and still wants it symmetrical
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Kick cam FTW \o/
It reminds me of a Sleishman twin pedal I had years ago. Similar idea but different, of course.
What did you do with the Sleishman? I saw it, but didn't have, I think it was $1200 usd for it. How did the playing action and quality compare with this one?
@@rabbigabrielbenor6795 I sold it on eBay years ago. It felt weird. Being used to a traditional double pedal then using a Sleishman made me feel cramped up.
I wondered about just that. However I see that Offset Eclipse also sells 2" longer extensions for each pedal arm. Maybe that will help. I've always felt off balance with the traditional setup - maybe that comes from being left handed who learned to play right handed from the beginning. I never felt hindered by that and actually am glad because I can sit in with right handed drum set ups. Seeing the Sleishman originally it just looked correct for me. Maybe I'll post after I get some time in with it. I just ordered a cosmetically blemished Eclipse from Sweetwater for $375. Couldn't refuse at that price... (however my wife says that I should have tried harder to refuse 😂 !)
@@rabbigabrielbenor6795 well hopefully it will work out for you and please post a video of it!
@@blkjakk 👍
Great video of this pedal, but would have liked to have seen maybe a couple of Tom setup variations. I need visuals to see that the pedal doesn't get in the way of, let's say a floor tom.
This is a perfect double bass pedal for people who have really bad OCD like me LOL
It's like a Sleishman without the wacky footboards....
I would rather the sleishman
Just talked to the Offset company owner. They actually bought the patent from Sleishman.
@@JohnHenryDale That's a straight up lie. Not only is it not true, it's hardly believable; the Sleishman is drastically different in design. The patent would not even be close.
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It's the wacky footboards that make the Sleishman superior though - no slop and loss of energy due to extra moving parts and universal joints.
Cool but how does this work with your right Floor tom it seams like that would be hitting it?
Happy with mine, which two leg hi-hat stand would pair well with this, any thoughts?
Why are there no front shots of the whole kit?
Hey Nick. Have you got a Sleishman twin pedal to demo?
I wonder if snare bleed into the kick mic would be an issue with this, with the snare ending up right in the kick mic's firing line.
This is a great pedal and i have no complaints with it but you will have to change to a two leg hi hat if you don't already have one. A three leg hi hat is just not possible as it gets in the way. As far as the offset pedal goes , i give it 10 out of 10.
My hi-hat allows me to rotate the legs relative to the footboard. I would recommend doing that; 2 leg stands are unstable
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Another great video but I won't be running out to replace my pedals for this
True Saiyan Power: Same here. Especially if I can’t sit down and demo it myself. I’ve thought long and hard about one of these and finally Sweetwater has one.
I wonder if you could set it up for heel play. I have very flat feet and sometimes I feel that i can't get the double and triple sound that I want. I do see my self playing with the heel of my foot and would be able to trigger the double and triples that I want. I wonder if this will work1.
It looks like your snare stand would have to be moved back so far to be out of the way of the beaters that it would affect your playing and you would have to change the distance of your toms, im not sure but thats what it looks like
This looks like a solution to a problem nobody has.
Can we talk about how good that bass sounds?
Its gonna have no difference in sound because the beaters still hit in middle of ths drum head..thats not the point of the pedal but i do get where ylur coming from bro
@@cbreezyworld2652 I'm just talking about the bass itself. This comment had nothing to do with the pedal. I was just making an observation and complimenting the drum/tuning.
Honestly though. I have a double bass kit with a double bass pedal and that works just as good. This is just for looks. This really just helps you face forward rather than off to the side. If you have a single bass kit.
I play a double bass kit and I struggle with building my kit ergonomicly for my height (short guy here)
This would be my solution. Yes I lose the asthetic of a double bass kit but I gain versatility and ergonomics
You must not have 2 floor Tom’s to the right then. This pedal improves those ergonomics and the reach needed to play my 18
Why has every company not done this yet? Even as a single pedal, this is awesome if you play small shows (with no kick mic avaliable) and like to play with your kick drum angled. I would also like to see a remote bass drum pedal but that's a bit hopeful :)
Patents. Charles Fisher invented the bi-lateral pedal and patented it. Other companies would love to make this style pedal. They can't. I bought mine in 2008. Used it for years. Charles allowed Sonor to sell one with contracted stipulations. I don't remember the issue with Sleishman's pedal. I believe Charles sold the company. The updated pedal is what is now sold. Basically the same mechanisms, they just upgraded the look. Great pedal. My second favorite I have owned. I even made a hybrid with my favorite pedal - Drumnetics. I use a couple Drumnetics slaves and the OFFSET center section, which I magnetized. Works great. The bi-lateral design is so natural and comfortable to play. It changes stress on the hips, the knees, even the ankles. There is no lag at all. Each pedal plays just the same as any other pedal hooked up to a kick. You can get, at least they used to sell two different drive shaft lengths. I don't know if they still do. The pedal feels like a tank. Very solid. Not all pedals have a stabilizer bar between the posts either, and that really does effect the feel of stability. Most pedals just have the main axle. The four springs really do make a difference. If it weren't for Drumnetics, which is just a much nicer pedal for me, I'd still be playing the OFFSET.
@@REFondrums Do you know if either pedal comes with spikes like some of the DW pedals do?
You asked about "spikes?" If you mean rug spikes; each pedal has two and the center section has four, each with tension springs.
@@REFondrumsWell it looks like I found my next pedal! Thank you :)
What I want is a double DOUBLE pedal. 2 different size bass drums both with double capability. It would have to favor one side of course (right) but that is what I want.
There was a few pedals like that a few years ago. Sonor made one and I think Duallist as well. It was a "single" pedal with 2 beaters that you actioned one with your forefoot and another with your heel. I guess they wouldn't sell enough of them sonce Sonor discontinued it years ago, I don't know about Duallist or other brands.
There was also a combination of these and a regular double pedal, it was like a "triple pedal", with 3 beaters where you controled 2 of them with your righ foot and the other with your left like a regular double pedal.
@@isihernandez9752 Yeah i've seen those. They look whacky! I guess what im really wanting is a 4 pedal - 2 bass drum thing. 2 pedals per drum but they would control 1 beater per drum. So you could do double pedal on either bass drum OR (as i would use it) do double kick technique but accents and down beats on a lower tuned, bigger drum. You get me? Other wise id need 4 bass drums with the outer ones utilizing the extended arm only of a double pedal. And the inners would be a regular pedal. Basically what i want try musically is having both a death metal pattern WITH a kinda groovy rap beat on top. It sure would be tricky to play but i WANT IT.
How does it set up with floor tom
Gosh that snares sounds like heaven!!! What it is?
Pretty sure it's a Ludwig black beauty...which would be why it sounds good haha
@@1dudecrush hahaha got it, thank you buddy!
How is he not a meme yet?
FINALLY! Some spotlight! I've been waiting for years for someone from the "mainstream media" to review this product, hahah
The only downside for me in this pedal is that you have to re-tighten the hex screws on the heel shaft once in a while when it gets loose and wobbly.
@Anatomized Hands I'm all for such gear design that does not require any additional "upgrades" or "know-how"s from the user's side. It's just more hassle
@Anatomized Hands it's a matter of principles. I have no problem with locktite. I know it's a design flaw. Wobbly heel block doesn't have to bother me at all.
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I hope it comes with a case
clevelandrum buying from offset directly gets you a case
I always have an issue with the slave pedal moving on a traditional double pedal. Now you have two slave pedals... is it not twice the problem?
I think i would find it hard to play with my right foot that far over , almost under my first floor tom ...
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Anyone know how these pedals hold up to dw pedals?
They're built like a tank. They hold up to anything out there. And they cost less than other top of the line dble pedals. I got mine in 2008. Has the older look but, same mechanisms. If I didn't switch to Drumnetics I'd still be using the OFFSET. Actually, I do use the center section on a hybrid with Drumnetics slaves so, I still am using it.
Most double pedal beaters hit the bass drum center equally. Only a few makers have the main pedal hitting the center.
But if the bass drum is in front of the snare drum, where will I put my cowbell?!? 🤣
On a cymbal stand?
How can the 2 beaters hit right in the center?
Valik center region of the drum*
I would have to try it, but it sure feels like that would throw my entire setup off.
That's the whole concept to center your self instead of being forced sit 22° towards the left which restricts rotation to the right side especially since drummers are now becoming more and more ambidextrous with hands and feet its soooooooo much better for symmetry and especially balance
my only complaint is that the right side pedal somewhat interferes with the floor tom
Nick = Sweetwater
what bass drum is that
Ludwig Neusonic 16x22
Sonor did this years ago why is it only a fascination now ?
Sonor stole the idea from the guy that created this one. I spoke to him about 10 years ago and he told me the whole story. I'm glad that finally the "original" is on the spot.
Sleishmann drum co. made the original symmetrical twin pedal.
Idk about having 2 drive shafts, dbl the weakness
Nah direct drive conversion is phenomenal
Man........... Trick pedals rules...
But- I`m sure it is great to play but how set up floor toms and such with that pedal?
drumsanddrumming Exactly the same way you do with any other setup. You’re welcome.
drumsanddrumming Exactly the same way you do with any other setup. You’re welcome.
@@caseyplooy1696 well I can`t place my floor tom where I do now
drumsanddrumming Having that pedal wouldn’t interfere with floor tom placement at all. If anything, this pedal gives you more options for floor tom placement.
@@caseyplooy1696 yes sorry, you are right. however the bassdrum gets right in middle and I would have to figure out where to place my rack tom. I woud like to try the concept out really
Sleichman did this design already
How is it that Tama etc have never done anything like this before ... ?! It seems so obvious/logical ... ?
Kieren Moore could be because this company offset, has a patent on it? It’s such an original design that if some other company were to make something like it, they could easily sue them for copying the design.
drumfanatik316 - Hi. Now, sure ... but surprised the others didn’t come up with this first, some time ago ... 🙃👍🏼
Charles Fisher patented the bi-lateral design many years ago. He sold the company and the new updated version is what is sold. Same mechanisms, more modern look. Nobody can make a bi-lateral pedal without licensing rights.
This should be called the Lars Ulrich kit.
I don t understand the point of this pedal.. .to have two cardan shafts and the bass drum in the middle?
When I don't see Mike Mangini, and I'm dissapointed. Lmao
Agreed my favorite drummer of all time Mangini is the goat
Or you can just use a double bass setup and save up on cost since this thing costs as much as an entry level single pedal + bass drum.
Sweetwater should've shown this with a complete drum kit...🤦🏻♂️
As your leg is now getting friction rash from rubbing the floor tom
You move the base drum... Not your kit and not your body.
The right pedal stays exactly where it is on your kit right now. No rash now? Then no rash with this pedal.
Instead of having one main and a slave, you're getting two slaves. It makes the feeling even on both feet, but the only real solution is to use two bass drums.
this is great though because some of us cant carry around two bass drums. It also allows for ambidextrous setups a lot easier as well.
Yep... I'd rather carry this pedal into a tight gig than two bass drums. If you disagree with me I'd have to question the blue collar nature of your gigs. If I was big enough to have a drum tech to help me out, I'd have two bass drums... sure thing.
I feel you on that, though if I were to play a single bass drum, I’d rather just go with a “normal” double pedal. These days it’s to a point where the slave pedal feels fairly close enough to the main, much closer than, say, 20-30 years ago. Though it would be best if all high-end pedals were adjustable enough they can be switched between doubles/2 singles, or can be converted to a double pedal like the one here, if that’s what’s desired.
This is cool and all, but it is useless untill they make a dual pedal remote hi-hats. I want to achieve true symmetry, with hats and ride down the middle. Drums and cymbals all around. It allows what all drummers should strive for: Ambidexterity. Also it's a small foot print. I'd have one side odd and the other even size drums and cymbals. Help me Sweetwater, your my only hope.
What do you mean hats and ride down the middle?
Either way I think your solution is a remote hi-hat with a rack/stand mount attachment
@@cypherredux2771 I want it symmetrical, like the body is a mirror image (left and right). That way the bass & snare, hi hats, and ride are directly in front of me. I'd like to play a remote hi hats with both my feet, which combined with this kind of BD pedal, allows ambidexterious drumming
@@CloudObsolete I mean with a slight right/left bias I think you could stack it that way but I would suggest
Hats floating above bass drum/snare, bass and snare center to body, with these pedals.
Two rides one to either side of the bass drum with Tom's around the center in an open/symetrical kit set up
With some modding I'm sure you could DIY two remote hat pedals to one hat
I use a DW remote high hat that is attached to the rack just to the left of the bass kick drum. Works very well
Oh.... so now Nick’s playing double bass. Is there anything he can’t do??????
He's played double bass before.
I made my own offset pedal. I have made a video about it. Search: DIY offset double pedal.
Nah they have a conversation kit for direct drive its smooth as hell