I'm the Goshen, IN driver for a National LTL carrier. I pick up Lippert materials for your company. I've seen MAXX-D on my bills of lading plenty of times. Pretty cool to see my efforts in action! For many years I've been around heavy equipment as a farm boy, soldier & civilian. These dump trailers look well engineered, tough & ready for years of dependable service. The Lippert Corporation engineers high quality products with state of the art manufacturing techniques & I'm proud to be on the team making these trailers happen~
I own a maxx-d roll off dumpster trailer. All of maxx-d trailers are built to last! I’ve been very happy with my trailer and I’ll definitely only buy and recommend Maxx-D in the future. Also dealing with warranty issues and parts has been extremely easy calling or emailing directly to maxx-d to get things fixed, not having to wait around on dealerships having down time. Definitely worth the money! You get what you pay for!
For me it's not about the speed of the dump, it's about the reliability of a dump so if I have a really heavy load, my preference is the telescopic lift.
Every dump trailer I have seen tip over has been an open frame telescopic style. This is because there is no stability in a telescopic ram, it can only push and it's subject to buckling. The scissor mechanism itself, even without the ram, is exponentially more stable just due to the width and the role in side load resistance it provides. Yeah, there are more moving pieces and you need a larger diameter due to lower mechanical advantage as compared to a straight pushing telescopic, but the former just seems superior.
Exactly, telescopic seems fine for near perfect level grade with near perfect load distribution dumping. At a left or right sloped grade or uneven load, I believe the scissor is more stable and has less chance of tipping over.
As a hydraulics mechanic you are correct the telescopics can lift more but when it comes to fixing the cylinders the scissor style would be much cheaper long term. Easier to disassemble and seal than a multistaged cylinder.
@@GFSwinger1693 that's not true it's capable of more lift, an even lift unlike the scissor lift which if you have most of your weight in the front it will not full dump and you'll have to bring it back down move it to the middle and go back up. There's a reason we use telescopic with 53 ft dump trailers moving gravel, dirt, pavement etc it's because it's the most reliable and accurate way of spreading or dumping.
Much like target shooting, speed is not accuracy. While the scissor will arguably be the fastest lift system, the telescoping is hands down the strongest. For those saying BS, how do dump trucks lift? lol. Less stress on the frame too. Look at Texas Pride Trailers torture test from Dirt Monkey. They run all 3 lift systems on their 20k trailers. They loaded the trailers until they would not lift anymore then weighed them. Scissor was around 27,200lbs, dual was 36,900lbs, and telescoping came in at 47,120lbs. Texas Pride makes a great trailer and $6,000 - $8,000 cheaper for a beefy trailer. (Not Diamond C or Maxx-D beefy, yet still contractor grade) Scissor lift will continue to get the job done! Just better technology out these days.
I have had a GMC 7000 Can not remember the year. It had a scissor lift and a 20' box with 4' sides maybe 5' usually used for hauling construction trash I could load it with almost a full box of dirt and roof tile mixed, maybe not legal to go down the road weight wise.... don't tell, and that lift would never let me down, it had dual cylinders on the lift had to have one repacked, and the bed broke the rear hinge on the drivers side one time dumping a huge load of dirt.... but still dumped and dropped, had to have that repaired that day.... Miss that rig... was a great truck for the time.
Bla bla bla... Love it when guys don't understand what the power of Hydraulics is for.... You see all that Exposed Chrome you keep coating with Rock Dust... Think your going to get a Seal Kit for your CHINESE TELESCOPIC RAM??? Gotta love these geniuses in the comments 😄
@@georgehofgren6123yeah you're one of them. There's a reason we use telescopic lifts in construction. Our 53' dumps are all telescopic used for paving, dirt, gravel etc and have never had an issue.
Observation. The way that both trailers lifted the drawbar as the load shifted means the operator will need to be careful when spreading, or they will lift the rear pickup wheels off the ground.
We have two MAXX-D 14’ dump trailers that we use for our roofing jobs. They dump those heavy loads effortlessly in comparison to our other trailers whom will sometimes not want to lift the certain sized loads. Out all the other brands we’ve used. MAXX-D has been the best.
A diverter valve would not work in this case because the pump for the telescopic cylinder is only a single acting pump. That means it only generates pressure out of one port. A jack needs a double acting pump in order to create power up and down, hence they are using a double acting pump for the jack. The four function pump they are referring to has the capability to accommodate both a single acting and double acting cylinder on the same valve body, which eliminates the need for two pumps.
@@jamespolkinghorne4452 Not necessarily, if the cylinder/jack had springs built in, they could retract the cylinder and the single acting pump would work.
Tube for crossmembers always ends up rotting because they hold moisture. Better off using channel. I've seen guys try that tube crossmember thing under roll-off containers too and they all rotted out in just a couple years
I already own a Maxx-D 22ft power tilt flatbed trailer and love it (Only wish is got the hyd. jack but going to add later) Am now looking at purchasing a dump trailer and this video helped with making a decision. To me I like the telescoping due to people having a bad way to over load the front half and the telescoping is the best for this. Now just need to find the right deal to purchase.
What is the height of the trailer when at full extension. We have a horse boarding facility. We will be hauling shavings. I want to make sure the ceiling height of my storage shed will accommodate the trailer to dump out the shavings.
I have had scissor hoists on trucks and trailers and would not switch to a telescopic. Telescopics get weaker as it gets longer and can snap if at an angle. Scissor is the way to go.
I would have to disagree. I’ve had 2 16k scissor lift and now a 16k telescopic. They don’t get weaker as they extend. They are strongest at full extension. Like a solid steel rod. Look at dump trucks. They dont use scissor lift. Yes you have to be more careful about not being on a significant angle with them. They aren’t as stable as the scissor. And they are slower. Difference is were it matters… they dump way more. It’s easy to overload a scissor lift. Ask me how I know. Telescopic not the case. I have yet to see my 2 year old max d 16k get stuck dumping anything
I dump on hills , inclined all different directions, unstable ground, fly ash, to top soil,to stone, firewood. 14 ft telescopic. I have had a scissor lift in the past same 14ft. The telescopic will do it all with tons of more dumping power if needed. When on a hill or not level ground your dump bed is stable by the mounting not the lifting... there's 100 years of them being used in 53 foot er etc to prove that. The telescopic does sway a little at times at high lift but nothing to worry about if your paying attention anyway. Iam sure you can overload it and break it , tip it etc same as the others. Point is telescopic is stronger by far. More efficient, effective. Think of a wheelbarrow. Put the handle in the center. Load it up and try lifting it from All those different points with your arms. You will see you can not beat the telescopic. They all will beak if you overload enough , will all tip over. It's about using them in the operation range. Then the telescopic is by far the winner. If you care about 30 seconds of up and down time, then you won't buy a dump trailer to start with. They are not faster than a dump truck period or stronger. Also have worked in the coal yard with tractor trailers loaded full of fly ash. 80 to 140 tons a load . We dumped on big pile of fly ash. Very unstable. Rarely did a truck tip. Only when they were not being smart. Witch every trailer will tip if being dumb.
A telescopic is unstable at heights…? But a scissor isn’t..?? That’s gonna be a tough claim to back up. If you’re lifting a ladder that’s laying flat on the ground, when you start standing it up are you gonna hold it down by your waist? Or as high over your head as you can reach? See the similarity? The telescopic is pushing on the very end of the “ladder”. The best possible scenario. The scissor is pushing on the middle while the top is free floating. The side-to-side stability comes from the hinges, the shape of the cylinder is almost irrelevant.
Why did you not load to the rated capacity? There is not one mention of the steel prep, type, or gauge. Is it possible they will not be able to lift the full load?
I think the only reason they didn't load to rated capacity is because they wanted to have roughly the same amount of gravel weight in each trailer to make it a more even comparison. But good point none the less.
I am confused by the two separate pumps. We use hydraulic systems at work the move multiple cylinders off 1 pump. I also wonder how every single piece of heavy equipment does it, considering the drive system and boom are all run off the same pump. Can someone explain if there is something I'm missing about these two cylinders? Otherwise, both trailers look nice and have some neat features.
10 gauge floor is standard on both trailers, which does have a seam down the middle. 7 gauge floor is optional, the 7 gauge is a one piece floor without a seam down the middle.
Interesting , Thank You . Good thing you're hitch was well latched, It looks like at about 1.40 the loads shifted and made the front ends come up . As we all know over balancing a load is NOT a good thing. Still a fine demonstration of useful trailers. To the critics Every trailer has many design choices .
By the way guys...this is why many plow trucks have scissor dump bodies...The telescopic cylinder is stronger, no doubt...but, the scissor, is much much more stabile if you're dumping while moving like many dump plow trucks where the body is part way up running around town plowing.
The telescopic cylinder is easier and more affordable to replace if needed. Since it’s bolt-on, there’s no cutting or welding required. Both systems have proven to be reliable, and the maintenance costs for both trailers are similar. However, the telescopic system requires less maintenance, with fewer grease points and easier access to the cylinder, which is located at the front instead of underneath.
BigTex Trailers will dump as much as you can put in it. Don't get me wrong. You've got nice trailers but, it should dump all you can get in it. It sucks when you get more than half full and it won't dump. I will be looking closer at your trailers and prices.I need a new heavy dump that I can haul behind both my truck or my tractor. I use that when working off-road. I really like your remote. Makes it nice to dump from the cab. I'm guessing that they both have wireless remote. It was a good video. Thank you.
@@Maxxdtrailersofficial SIr, being that you're a manufacture of these trailers, you would certainly be able to find a rock pit or other place with scales that would load you and let you dump the product back out at that location to TEST your trailers!! Should not be too hard and the only cost should be ... repainting, Also I had a 40' aluminum end dump we put a 10k liner in it to lengthen the life of the bed.... If the concern is the inside, from demo jobs of concrete, block or bricks... maybe a liner would assist those who are worried. I am in Arizona so Rust and water was usually not an issue for rusting or such things maybe less of an issue with aluminum than steel but something to consider depending on the state and situations the trailers are being used for or in. Hauling firewood would be perfect!!
We loaded both trailers as close to capacity as possible without overloading as we don't have scales nearby. Once scales are set up in our shop we'll be able to load the trailers some more.
Great comparison video. Lots of back and forth in the comments on the pros and cons of each lift system. I would design a combination of both a ram to get the momentum started and a scissor to finish the dump.
Both torsion and spring suspensions have their uses. Torsion axles generally offer a smoother ride, but their advantage is more noticeable on longer trailers, making the benefit less significant for these dump trailers with a maximum length of 16 feet. While torsion axles also provide a better ride height, these trailers already have low ground clearance due to their 8-inch frame. On the other hand, spring suspension is stronger and more durable, making it a better fit for the heavy-duty demands of dump trailers.
What! 😂 Depends on what the parameters of winning are. If it's time on a light load then share scissor lift wins but if it's what trailer can dump more with a heavy load then telescopic wins If it's I need to load the weight front heavy and carry a small stand on machine at the rear then telescopic wins because the scissor lift will not be able to dump the load 😮 thus basically winning on time and speed as well 🙂
*To each his own in preference, but !* As a mechanic on many and operator on a little less, overall the telascopic lift is far more dependible, with far less matainance, less repair cost in hinge pins and pin bore replacement when needed. As for tip over concerns "Stupid gets what stupid does" Keep it level left to right, stop when it stops being level !
NOCO actually offers a waterproof through panel plug adapter, so you don't have to notch the toolbox leaving an opening for water ingress or pest insects
I always thought that a trailer with twin cylinders would be the strongest. I was very surprised when in side tests the telescopic was the strongest. All of my trailers are equipped with telescopic cylinders.
I don't really care about the speed but it's nice they're pretty close to each other. The telescopic seems like it could get off balance easier, not having as much of a boxed frame attaching the cylinder to the trailer like the telescopic does. I can imagine that cylinder is priiiiicy to repair if something happens. I personally like the scissor design and will probably go with one of them
If I am buying a dump trailer, I am worried about it lifting and dumping every time. I have seen better performance out of telescopic systems vs scissors.
I have a 2019 PJ 14’ 4 foot sides with a scissor and it dumps as much weight as the truck (2019 L5P 3500) can handle no issues. Occasionally with dirt will need to shovel the front for 10 minutes or so by hand but only when extremely over loaded
When we bought our 16’ dump trailer with a scissor lift, the first first load of fluffy screened topsoil was too much for the hoist to lift. Went to the hoist manufacturer, and discovered they sold that hoist with two different diameter cylinders. Why the trailer builder put the smaller unit on a triple axle heavy capacity unit, I’ll never understand. Swapped in the bigger unit, and it’s never failed to lift anything we put in it.
Every manufacturer seems to push scissor lifts but every scissor lift trailer i have ever used and there have been several we had to schovel the front out by hand so if you cant load it full and level to the top with sand why make them that big and why push the scissor? Wait i know push for profit. How about a twin telescopic so it will dump what it will hold because scissor it is not faster when you have to schovel out the front by hand
Correct, the scissor hoist won't lift as much as a telescopic due to the leverage. Dump trailers aren't a "if it fits, it ships" product - they have limits. Their frames and axles can only handle so much weight, but a scissor hoist will handle its capacity just fine. Dump trailers are meant for hauling all sorts of stuff - dirt, trash, logs, you name it. But loading it up to the top with sand would be pushing it way past its weight limit, probably 2-3 times over.
@@Maxxdtrailersofficial so why is it nobody even offers a smaller size dump trailer with heavy axles and frame for those of us that purely intend to haul nothing but fill. It would actually save some money but not be cheaper and have a smaller trailer for my intended purpose. I WANT THE IF IT FITS IT SHIPS industrial rental center takes a licking and keeps ticking 10 foot 9900lb rated with dually tandem 10k axles with the longer equalizer as many stadard off the shef parts as possible and 17.5 wheels with an actual dump box not the it's loaded with features you will never use to help it sell model maybe in a side dump setup as it would only be used for fill in confined residential areas a baby demco side dump
Since the comments are off, I'll comment here, why not turn the scissors system around so it lifts the front of the trailer instead of in the middleish.
@@Maxxdtrailersofficial 10 gauge is pretty thin for a floor on a dump bed, that's only 1/8th inch. Is it AR450, AR500, or just regular steel? All my big dump trailers for semi's, and dump trucks are standard 1/4 inch AR450 or Hardox which is equivalent to an AR450-AR500.
Well Sir this was a good "Torture-Test". Even with the Scissor-lift, Realy LOADED FRONT heavy it STILL Beat the Telescope. I know the Telescopic has More "Brute-Force" capacity ( enough to snap the Axles-With the weight it Can lift)....But l Will Stick with my "Scissor-lift" All-day-long. Thank you Sir for the Excelent vidio. These are Realy Fine Built Trailers. Best wishes with all your endeavours.
the cycle times are pretty standard across manufacturers. A 2-minute lift time is common for most dump trailers using electric pumps. However, the new DSX dump trailer comes with two KTI pumps, making the cycle time much faster.
Why does the telescopic have to have a separate pump and battery for the tongue jack. Use a hydraulic switch valve and use just the one pump and one battery and you would have more room. Less maintenance and less cost
Correct, you want the load over the axles, evenly distributed. In this case we intentionally loaded them both front heavy to showcase the lifting power in both trailers.
Nice looking trailers. I had a hard time believing the weight of the trailers empty. My 10,000 pound dump weighs between 2500 and 3000 pounds. You weren’t weighing the trucks too were you?
Why would that matter which way it's mounted? You can see in the video the biggest sections are extending first. Although mounting the cylinder on the bottom would have saved a lot of hose.
The terrible drawback to transplant realtors moving to Montana and Idaho and inviting wealthy out of staters to move in is that it has made housing prices crazy expensive and killed the proverbial American dream for the native born resident young families unable to afford to buy or even rent housing.
Maybe someone here can tell me, why a boring standard 3-side dumper is not a thing in the US. In Europe it's complete standard for construction side vehicles, noone would give up the immense flexibility to save minimal amounts of money.
MAXX-D dumps may look similar to a PJ, however there some differences that set us apart, here are a few. PJ crossmember spacing is 16" to our 12" spacing. Our 8k axles come standard with 16 ply tires. We offer an industry leading five year structure warranty, PJ offers a three year. MAXX-D dump trailers come standard with a TUFF wireless remote for all functions. We also build our dumps on a heavier frame, 8"x15lb to PJ's 8"x13lb frame.
@@Maxxdtrailersofficial oh wow! That is a very rugged trailer I'll have to try one next! I really like over built stuff that makes it last really long. And very reliable!
I usd to drive tip trucks. Underbody hoists are bad news, they will twist and tilt and at worse case fall over. Tele hoist is a LOT more stable and the reason 99% of full size tippers have them
I'm the Goshen, IN driver for a National LTL carrier. I pick up Lippert materials for your company. I've seen MAXX-D on my bills of lading plenty of times. Pretty cool to see my efforts in action! For many years I've been around heavy equipment as a farm boy, soldier & civilian. These dump trailers look well engineered, tough & ready for years of dependable service. The Lippert Corporation engineers high quality products with state of the art manufacturing techniques & I'm proud to be on the team making these trailers happen~
Just bought a 16k gooseneck DTX and couldn’t be happier with the quality!
We're pumped to be a part of what you're doing!
@@Maxxdtrailersofficial It's a DUMP Trailer... it's supposed to pump!! 😆 👍
I own a maxx-d roll off dumpster trailer. All of maxx-d trailers are built to last! I’ve been very happy with my trailer and I’ll definitely only buy and recommend Maxx-D in the future. Also dealing with warranty issues and parts has been extremely easy calling or emailing directly to maxx-d to get things fixed, not having to wait around on dealerships having down time. Definitely worth the money! You get what you pay for!
We're pumped to hear that!
Where are they built- AMERICA???
Great Ideas!!!
For me it's not about the speed of the dump, it's about the reliability of a dump so if I have a really heavy load, my preference is the telescopic lift.
Every dump trailer I have seen tip over has been an open frame telescopic style. This is because there is no stability in a telescopic ram, it can only push and it's subject to buckling. The scissor mechanism itself, even without the ram, is exponentially more stable just due to the width and the role in side load resistance it provides. Yeah, there are more moving pieces and you need a larger diameter due to lower mechanical advantage as compared to a straight pushing telescopic, but the former just seems superior.
I have telescopic, love it.
Exactly, telescopic seems fine for near perfect level grade with near perfect load distribution dumping.
At a left or right sloped grade or uneven load, I believe the scissor is more stable and has less chance of tipping over.
As a hydraulics mechanic you are correct the telescopics can lift more but when it comes to fixing the cylinders the scissor style would be much cheaper long term. Easier to disassemble and seal than a multistaged cylinder.
@@GFSwinger1693 that's not true it's capable of more lift, an even lift unlike the scissor lift which if you have most of your weight in the front it will not full dump and you'll have to bring it back down move it to the middle and go back up. There's a reason we use telescopic with 53 ft dump trailers moving gravel, dirt, pavement etc it's because it's the most reliable and accurate way of spreading or dumping.
Much like target shooting, speed is not accuracy. While the scissor will arguably be the fastest lift system, the telescoping is hands down the strongest. For those saying BS, how do dump trucks lift? lol. Less stress on the frame too. Look at Texas Pride Trailers torture test from Dirt Monkey. They run all 3 lift systems on their 20k trailers. They loaded the trailers until they would not lift anymore then weighed them. Scissor was around 27,200lbs, dual was 36,900lbs, and telescoping came in at 47,120lbs. Texas Pride makes a great trailer and $6,000 - $8,000 cheaper for a beefy trailer. (Not Diamond C or Maxx-D beefy, yet still contractor grade) Scissor lift will continue to get the job done! Just better technology out these days.
I have had a GMC 7000 Can not remember the year. It had a scissor lift and a 20' box with 4' sides maybe 5' usually used for hauling construction trash I could load it with almost a full box of dirt and roof tile mixed, maybe not legal to go down the road weight wise.... don't tell, and that lift would never let me down, it had dual cylinders on the lift had to have one repacked, and the bed broke the rear hinge on the drivers side one time dumping a huge load of dirt.... but still dumped and dropped, had to have that repaired that day.... Miss that rig... was a great truck for the time.
Can’t find this link would you oblige?
Bla bla bla... Love it when guys don't understand what the power of Hydraulics is for....
You see all that Exposed Chrome you keep coating with Rock Dust...
Think your going to get a Seal Kit for your CHINESE TELESCOPIC RAM???
Gotta love these geniuses in the comments 😄
@@georgehofgren6123yeah you're one of them. There's a reason we use telescopic lifts in construction. Our 53' dumps are all telescopic used for paving, dirt, gravel etc and have never had an issue.
@@drousseau5908 Those are domestic lifts designed exclusively for End-dumps. Guy, THERE'S NO ROOM UNDER AN END DUMP FOR A SCISSOR LIFT ~ 🤦🙄~
Observation. The way that both trailers lifted the drawbar as the load shifted means the operator will need to be careful when spreading, or they will lift the rear pickup wheels off the ground.
Thanks for the tip!
We have two MAXX-D 14’ dump trailers that we use for our roofing jobs. They dump those heavy loads effortlessly in comparison to our other trailers whom will sometimes not want to lift the certain sized loads. Out all the other brands we’ve used. MAXX-D has been the best.
Thanks for the support, we're pumped to be a part of what you're doing!
all you need is a diverter valve for the front jack and dump, simple and easy H&H has it for their 14k equipment haulers, works so slick
A diverter valve would not work in this case because the pump for the telescopic cylinder is only a single acting pump. That means it only generates pressure out of one port. A jack needs a double acting pump in order to create power up and down, hence they are using a double acting pump for the jack. The four function pump they are referring to has the capability to accommodate both a single acting and double acting cylinder on the same valve body, which eliminates the need for two pumps.
@@jamespolkinghorne4452 Not necessarily, if the cylinder/jack had springs built in, they could retract the cylinder and the single acting pump would work.
@@jamespolkinghorne4452you talk gibberish wont take time to correct yourown reallity fearing you will implode keep
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Tube for crossmembers always ends up rotting because they hold moisture. Better off using channel. I've seen guys try that tube crossmember thing under roll-off containers too and they all rotted out in just a couple years
I already own a Maxx-D 22ft power tilt flatbed trailer and love it (Only wish is got the hyd. jack but going to add later) Am now looking at purchasing a dump trailer and this video helped with making a decision. To me I like the telescoping due to people having a bad way to over load the front half and the telescoping is the best for this. Now just need to find the right deal to purchase.
What is the height of the trailer when at full extension. We have a horse boarding facility. We will be hauling shavings. I want to make sure the ceiling height of my storage shed will accommodate the trailer to dump out the shavings.
I have had scissor hoists on trucks and trailers and would not switch to a telescopic. Telescopics get weaker as it gets longer and can snap if at an angle. Scissor is the way to go.
I would have to disagree. I’ve had 2 16k scissor lift and now a 16k telescopic. They don’t get weaker as they extend. They are strongest at full extension. Like a solid steel rod. Look at dump trucks. They dont use scissor lift. Yes you have to be more careful about not being on a significant angle with them. They aren’t as stable as the scissor. And they are slower. Difference is were it matters… they dump way more. It’s easy to overload a scissor lift. Ask me how I know. Telescopic not the case. I have yet to see my 2 year old max d 16k get stuck dumping anything
I dump on hills , inclined all different directions, unstable ground, fly ash, to top soil,to stone, firewood. 14 ft telescopic. I have had a scissor lift in the past same 14ft. The telescopic will do it all with tons of more dumping power if needed.
When on a hill or not level ground your dump bed is stable by the mounting not the lifting... there's 100 years of them being used in 53 foot er etc to prove that. The telescopic does sway a little at times at high lift but nothing to worry about if your paying attention anyway. Iam sure you can overload it and break it , tip it etc same as the others. Point is telescopic is stronger by far. More efficient, effective. Think of a wheelbarrow. Put the handle in the center. Load it up and try lifting it from All those different points with your arms. You will see you can not beat the telescopic. They all will beak if you overload enough , will all tip over. It's about using them in the operation range. Then the telescopic is by far the winner. If you care about 30 seconds of up and down time, then you won't buy a dump trailer to start with. They are not faster than a dump truck period or stronger. Also have worked in the coal yard with tractor trailers loaded full of fly ash. 80 to 140 tons a load . We dumped on big pile of fly ash. Very unstable. Rarely did a truck tip. Only when they were not being smart. Witch every trailer will tip if being dumb.
I think the biggest difference is dump angle for sticky loads and a properly designed telescopic will win
There is more wear and issues with a scissor, telescope cyl is better, also easier to replace when necessary.
A telescopic is unstable at heights…? But a scissor isn’t..?? That’s gonna be a tough claim to back up. If you’re lifting a ladder that’s laying flat on the ground, when you start standing it up are you gonna hold it down by your waist? Or as high over your head as you can reach? See the similarity? The telescopic is pushing on the very end of the “ladder”. The best possible scenario. The scissor is pushing on the middle while the top is free floating. The side-to-side stability comes from the hinges, the shape of the cylinder is almost irrelevant.
Very nice video to compare telescopic and scissor hoist. Each has its own merits.It depends on final user needs.
Why did you not load to the rated capacity? There is not one mention of the steel prep, type, or gauge. Is it possible they will not be able to lift the full load?
I think the only reason they didn't load to rated capacity is because they wanted to have roughly the same amount of gravel weight in each trailer to make it a more even comparison. But good point none the less.
I am confused by the two separate pumps. We use hydraulic systems at work the move multiple cylinders off 1 pump. I also wonder how every single piece of heavy equipment does it, considering the drive system and boom are all run off the same pump. Can someone explain if there is something I'm missing about these two cylinders? Otherwise, both trailers look nice and have some neat features.
We have dual acting pumps on order for the DTX, soon we'll be able to operate the jacks and telescopic cylinder off of one pump!
@@Maxxdtrailersofficialvery nice!
I might have missed it- what is your painting system? My biggest gripe with my new trailer it's paint blistered within a year. Very disappointing.
Not your trailer- a competitors company
What gauge metal do you use for your flooring? Is there a seam in the middle of the floor?
10 gauge floor is standard on both trailers, which does have a seam down the middle. 7 gauge floor is optional, the 7 gauge is a one piece floor without a seam down the middle.
Interesting , Thank You . Good thing you're hitch was well latched, It looks like at about 1.40 the loads shifted and made the front ends come up . As we all know over balancing a load is NOT a good thing. Still a fine demonstration of useful trailers. To the critics Every trailer has many design choices .
Scissor lift are more stable thus safer.
Came for a comparison of the lift turned into a sales pitch for 90% of the video
By the way guys...this is why many plow trucks have scissor dump bodies...The telescopic cylinder is stronger, no doubt...but, the scissor, is much much more stabile if you're dumping while moving like many dump plow trucks where the body is part way up running around town plowing.
What trailer is cheaper to maintain? The lift section I'm sure would be expensive to repair.
The telescopic cylinder is easier and more affordable to replace if needed. Since it’s bolt-on, there’s no cutting or welding required. Both systems have proven to be reliable, and the maintenance costs for both trailers are similar. However, the telescopic system requires less maintenance, with fewer grease points and easier access to the cylinder, which is located at the front instead of underneath.
BigTex Trailers will dump as much as you can put in it. Don't get me wrong. You've got nice
trailers but, it should dump all you can get in it. It sucks when you get more than
half full and it won't dump. I will be looking closer at your trailers and prices.I need a new heavy dump
that I can haul behind both my truck or my tractor. I use that when working off-road. I really
like your remote. Makes it nice to dump from the cab. I'm guessing that they both have wireless remote.
It was a good video.
Thank you.
We don't currently have scales close enough to the plant to load both trailers. We would rather not take these trailers down the road overloaded.
@@Maxxdtrailersofficial SIr, being that you're a manufacture of these trailers, you would certainly be able to find a rock pit or other place with scales that would load you and let you dump the product back out at that location to TEST your trailers!! Should not be too hard and the only cost should be ... repainting, Also I had a 40' aluminum end dump we put a 10k liner in it to lengthen the life of the bed.... If the concern is the inside, from demo jobs of concrete, block or bricks... maybe a liner would assist those who are worried. I am in Arizona so Rust and water was usually not an issue for rusting or such things maybe less of an issue with aluminum than steel but something to consider depending on the state and situations the trailers are being used for or in. Hauling firewood would be perfect!!
Why not max them out or even over load them to see how they dump... I would have liked to seen that scissor dump front loaded at FULL capacity...
We loaded both trailers as close to capacity as possible without overloading as we don't have scales nearby. Once scales are set up in our shop we'll be able to load the trailers some more.
Great comparison video. Lots of back and forth in the comments on the pros and cons of each lift system. I would design a combination of both a ram to get the momentum started and a scissor to finish the dump.
I’ve always thought that it would be easy
I missed the prices. My other small trailers have torsion-bar suspension, not springs. What is wrong with torsion?
Both torsion and spring suspensions have their uses. Torsion axles generally offer a smoother ride, but their advantage is more noticeable on longer trailers, making the benefit less significant for these dump trailers with a maximum length of 16 feet. While torsion axles also provide a better ride height, these trailers already have low ground clearance due to their 8-inch frame. On the other hand, spring suspension is stronger and more durable, making it a better fit for the heavy-duty demands of dump trailers.
What! 😂
Depends on what the parameters of winning are.
If it's time on a light load then share scissor lift wins but if it's what trailer can dump more with a heavy load then telescopic wins
If it's I need to load the weight front heavy and carry a small stand on machine at the rear then telescopic wins because the scissor lift will not be able to dump the load 😮 thus basically winning on time and speed as well 🙂
That would depend on the weight of the load now wouldn't it?
*To each his own in preference, but !*
As a mechanic on many and operator on a little less, overall the telascopic lift is far more dependible, with far less
matainance, less repair cost in hinge pins and pin bore replacement when needed. As for tip over concerns "Stupid
gets what stupid does" Keep it level left to right, stop when it stops being level !
That's right!
NOCO actually offers a waterproof through panel plug adapter, so you don't have to notch the toolbox leaving an opening for water ingress or pest insects
Where these made? Whats the light weight? I think i missed that
All of our trailers are 100% built in Texas! Both trailers should weigh in at 4,500lbs to 5,000lbs depending on how you build it out!
I always thought that a trailer with twin cylinders would be the strongest. I was very surprised when in side tests the telescopic was the strongest. All of my trailers are equipped with telescopic cylinders.
Not necessarily. If the pump is large enough then your good but my double cylinder will not lift a food heavy at capacity load
Shouldn't that wet lead battery be isolated from the other electrical components to avoid issues with the corrosive off gasses while it's charging
Telescopic should have the same, 2 vertical beams under the middle of the bed.. Prevent rippling bed.
How much for 20’ trailer?
I don't really care about the speed but it's nice they're pretty close to each other. The telescopic seems like it could get off balance easier, not having as much of a boxed frame attaching the cylinder to the trailer like the telescopic does. I can imagine that cylinder is priiiiicy to repair if something happens. I personally like the scissor design and will probably go with one of them
I’d like to see 10k single wheel axles as an option, will that be offered anytime soon? I am ready to place an order.
The prototype is currently in testing. This will be the DSX model coming later this year!
Speed is directly proportionate to the gpm of your hydraulic pump and the volume of your rams.
If I am buying a dump trailer, I am worried about it lifting and dumping every time. I have seen better performance out of telescopic systems vs scissors.
I have a 2019 PJ 14’ 4 foot sides with a scissor and it dumps as much weight as the truck (2019 L5P 3500) can handle no issues. Occasionally with dirt will need to shovel the front for 10 minutes or so by hand but only when extremely over loaded
Look well made. What are empty weights?
10:49 in the video.
When we bought our 16’ dump trailer with a scissor lift, the first first load of fluffy screened topsoil was too much for the hoist to lift. Went to the hoist manufacturer, and discovered they sold that hoist with two different diameter cylinders. Why the trailer builder put the smaller unit on a triple axle heavy capacity unit, I’ll never understand. Swapped in the bigger unit, and it’s never failed to lift anything we put in it.
Every manufacturer seems to push scissor lifts but every scissor lift trailer i have ever used and there have been several we had to schovel the front out by hand so if you cant load it full and level to the top with sand why make them that big and why push the scissor? Wait i know push for profit. How about a twin telescopic so it will dump what it will hold because scissor it is not faster when you have to schovel out the front by hand
Correct, the scissor hoist won't lift as much as a telescopic due to the leverage. Dump trailers aren't a "if it fits, it ships" product - they have limits. Their frames and axles can only handle so much weight, but a scissor hoist will handle its capacity just fine.
Dump trailers are meant for hauling all sorts of stuff - dirt, trash, logs, you name it. But loading it up to the top with sand would be pushing it way past its weight limit, probably 2-3 times over.
@@Maxxdtrailersofficial so why is it nobody even offers a smaller size dump trailer with heavy axles and frame for those of us that purely intend to haul nothing but fill. It would actually save some money but not be cheaper and have a smaller trailer for my intended purpose. I WANT THE IF IT FITS IT SHIPS industrial rental center takes a licking and keeps ticking 10 foot 9900lb rated with dually tandem 10k axles with the longer equalizer as many stadard off the shef parts as possible and 17.5 wheels with an actual dump box not the it's loaded with features you will never use to help it sell model maybe in a side dump setup as it would only be used for fill in confined residential areas a baby demco side dump
.... depends on the sidewall height.
2 foot vs 4 foot
Needs some odessy extreme batteries to complete the maxx d
I thought this video was about telescopic vs. scissor.. typical salesman...
Exactly. I skipped to the end.
Yep the whole video is trash 👍
So which trailer costs less? Asking for a friend
Apples to apples, the DTX Telescopic dump is about a thousand dollars higher than the DJX scissor hoist dump.
What kind of steel and how thick are the floors of these trailers?
10 gauge steel standard, 7 gauge is optional!
Since the comments are off, I'll comment here, why not turn the scissors system around so it lifts the front of the trailer instead of in the middleish.
@@Maxxdtrailersofficial 10 gauge is pretty thin for a floor on a dump bed, that's only 1/8th inch. Is it AR450, AR500, or just regular steel? All my big dump trailers for semi's, and dump trucks are standard 1/4 inch AR450 or Hardox which is equivalent to an AR450-AR500.
@@clydeacor1911with 12” centers you’d probably break the axle before the floor
I need that red djx
All things being equal, slower means more power. You dont want mechanical advantage on a cylinder. Direct acting is the most power.
Really nice. I’d like to get a trailer coated in Linex on the exterior instead of paint.
Scissor lift will lift faster simply due to its location.
That’s a good comparison on them I never heard of that name brand on trailers?
What Guage steel are the sides and the floor?
Both units come standard with a 10 gauge floor and sides. A 7 gauge floor is optional with 10 gauge sides.
Dual telescoping
They are very nice trailers but definitely out of my price range
Thanks Great Video
In UK the max trailer weight on a car licence is 3.5 tons. If it's similar in US then these trailers are heavy commercial grade.
In the US it’s about 12 tons… 25,000 lbs. before you need a commercial license.
Well Sir this was a good "Torture-Test". Even with the Scissor-lift, Realy LOADED FRONT heavy it STILL Beat the Telescope. I know the Telescopic has More "Brute-Force" capacity ( enough to snap the Axles-With the weight it Can lift)....But l Will Stick with my "Scissor-lift" All-day-long. Thank you Sir for the Excelent vidio. These are Realy Fine Built Trailers. Best wishes with all your endeavours.
Overload the two trailers. The telescopic will still dump while the scissor lift is struggling to lift.
I am looking to get my first dump trailer soon but as far as i am concerned who cares if one is faster all i see is me not having to unload it by hand
The DTX Telescopic Dump has more dumping leverage, sounds like you found your next trailer!
Those cycle times are unacceptable. 2 minutes to lift up 😂
the cycle times are pretty standard across manufacturers. A 2-minute lift time is common for most dump trailers using electric pumps. However, the new DSX dump trailer comes with two KTI pumps, making the cycle time much faster.
Telescopic needs more fluid volume. Pump flow rate limited for speed.
What I thought it was going to be is a commercial, and it was.
I want to see which one can dump more weight.
The telescopic would have more lifting power due to the dumping leverage. The telescopic cylinder is rated for 12 tons!
Why does the telescopic have to have a separate pump and battery for the tongue jack. Use a hydraulic switch valve and use just the one pump and one battery and you would have more room. Less maintenance and less cost
We recently switched to a dual acting single pump to operate both the bed and hydraulic jacks!
bitchin design, only thing I would change is one hydraulic pump, hydraulic manifold and a 3 way hydraulic valve
Telescopic is where it’s at 👍🏼
The loads should have been put in the center of the trailers, not piled at the front.
Correct, you want the load over the axles, evenly distributed. In this case we intentionally loaded them both front heavy to showcase the lifting power in both trailers.
Telescope lift over scissor lift any day
Why does anyone give a &/:! how fast the box goes up and down?
Time is money. In cold weather the fluid doesn't flow as quickly and can take a few minutes to drop the bed down.
flip the sisscor lift 180... and the dump angle goes up higher... your limitkng the range with in that orientation.
Well I like the red one for many reasons. And the fast move is not one of them
Nice looking trailers. I had a hard time believing the weight of the trailers empty. My 10,000 pound dump weighs between 2500 and 3000 pounds. You weren’t weighing the trucks too were you?
They weighed trucks with trailers
Yes, the gross weight includes the trucks. The trailers weigh anywhere from 4,500 to 5,000lbs.
Why in the world would you need two separate pumps to add a Hydro jack?!
You don’t just a diverter valve
Telescopic is the way to go.
SUPER IDEA . POZDRAWIAM .
Be nice to see a manufacturer build a tongue to let a guy use an equilizer hitch like on a travel trailer
you have the cylinder on the telescope on backwards you start from the biggest part of the cylinder and the higher it goes up the faster it gets
Why would that matter which way it's mounted? You can see in the video the biggest sections are extending first. Although mounting the cylinder on the bottom would have saved a lot of hose.
Scissor lift dumped faster.
The terrible drawback to transplant realtors moving to Montana and Idaho and inviting wealthy out of staters to move in is that it has made housing prices crazy expensive and killed the proverbial American dream for the native born resident young families unable to afford to buy or even rent housing.
why not use one pump to control hydraulic jack and telescopic cylinder?you know hydraulic jack and telescopic cylinder not working together.
The four function pumps are currently on order for the DTX. They will be available soon!
Great!Look forward your video!@@Maxxdtrailersofficial
Nice video
Even front loaded to show the superiority of your scissor lift with the 6 inch ram......try that with a big tex or a pj
The 6x20 hoist make a huge difference!
Is it just me or is that massive drawbar and tiny hitch seem either drawbar is over engineered or hitch is under engineered regardless of rating !
Great video! Very informative. I have now added MaxxD to my consideration list. Thanks!
We appreciate the feedback!
We have both trailers on the tree service company. I work for. The tires are junk on them
They look nice
Maybe someone here can tell me, why a boring standard 3-side dumper is not a thing in the US. In Europe it's complete standard for construction side vehicles, noone would give up the immense flexibility to save minimal amounts of money.
4:40 - pi has entered the conversation!
When we have a race and no one wins
Hello, we do sheet metal cutting and bending works, our stock and machines are very wide, we would like to work with you.
Single axle dump takes care of it all
Not if you actually use it for work !
Wow that is very similar to my pj almost the same!
MAXX-D dumps may look similar to a PJ, however there some differences that set us apart, here are a few.
PJ crossmember spacing is 16" to our 12" spacing.
Our 8k axles come standard with 16 ply tires.
We offer an industry leading five year structure warranty, PJ offers a three year.
MAXX-D dump trailers come standard with a TUFF wireless remote for all functions.
We also build our dumps on a heavier frame, 8"x15lb to PJ's 8"x13lb frame.
@@Maxxdtrailersofficial oh wow! That is a very rugged trailer I'll have to try one next! I really like over built stuff that makes it last really long. And very reliable!
Looks nice but very expensive
So what ? If you spend an extra grand or two when you buy a trailer, you won't have to replace the cheap POS in 5 years that you "saved" money on.
I usd to drive tip trucks. Underbody hoists are bad news, they will twist and tilt and at worse case fall over.
Tele hoist is a LOT more stable and the reason 99% of full size tippers have them
A magnet on the back of that wireless remote would be awesome
G'day,
My immediate thought.
Cheers, Malcolm.
no MSRP
My telescopic uses gravity to go down and is faster than the power down.
The DTX is also a gravity down, it was slightly slower than the DJX power down!
Speed wins on this day and age. 10 legal loads with the scissor may be 9 with telescopic. Now who's your winner?
next time overload the telescopic trailer and show if it dumps a real load fill it full cause i know i fill our scissor dump and it wont
not fair comparison one has 12 volt system and the other 24 volt system
I am going to need a bigger truck.
I would rather wait an extra 5 seconds of cycle time, rather than have to shovel the dirt out because the scissor couldnt lift it!!!