Her entire point of "If he's the MVP than he should be held to a higher standard" is so silly. Lamar has 2 MVPs already, so it was decided not once, but twice and potentially a 3rd time that he's the guy. He should certainly be held to a higher standard of Allen whether or not you think one is better than the other.
@@sethharris1894 lets say you're playing a game for the 1st time. you blow through the early stages (regular season) of the game just so you get experience and a better understanding of the game. but then the boss stage (the playoffs) is another level then the final boss (superbowl) is a whole nother level. not every qb is a prodigy and can with superbowls at a young age. ever since lamar turned 24 years old he's been 2-2 in the playoffs and missed the playoffs his 25 and 26 year old season because of injuries, when people bring up lamar playoff record, theyre talking about him as a 21,22, 23 year old and not as a 27-28 year old...
Re: MVP - expectations before the season go out the window once the season finishes and we find out who is actually good or bad. The Bills had a losing record against playoff teams (1-2 vs AFC Playoff Teams and 2-3 vs all playoff teams), but won all their games against losing teams. So now that we know the other teams they played were majority junk teams, we know that those expectations for the Bills to not perform well were flawed. Bills have a better roster than most of the teams they faced this year. Re: Superbowl - It's Lamar, because the Ravens have beaten every AFC playoff teams but KC (barely) this season. So they should be able to replicate that if they're as good as they've shown to be. For the Bills to win the superbowl, they'll have to win 4 straight games against playoff teams in a season where they have only beaten 2 (and one was missing 7+ defensive starters).
This is insane how these people always focus on certain athletes, but give a pass to others. This is so stupid. Media people are actually stupid people.
So if the MVP argument is being used the Lamar just has to win a Super Bowl and this argument is over. Peyton won 2 MVP before he won his first Super Bowl, Aaron Rodger won 4 after he won a Super Bowl and never won another one. Lamar is MVP this year and he can join a list of elites that won a Super Bowl, league MVP and Super Bowl MVP
I am surprised Kimberly doesn’t understand the MVP arguments. I wonder is she drew the short straw and had to take the counterpoint. Jackson raises the Ravens from playoff contender to Super Bowl contender. Josh Allen raises the Bills from irrelevancy to Super Bowl contender. Josh Allen is the definition of V in MVP.
Josh Allen hasn't won one either, so whats the argument Steve and the guy sitting across the table. Well they are in the same boat, no Superbowl in both parts. The conversation is always on Lamar why?? PREACH Lady, well they both doesn't have a SB Champ. under their belts.
Lamar hasn’t played well in the losses because the coaching has been bad! He’s played well in the wins when the coaching has been good! You don’t worry about Mahomes coaching being bad in big games! The Lamar slander has to stop!
Didn't he reached the afc championship just like Allen, with his bad playoffs record?!?!? Didn't the ravens lost most of the defensive coaches and a couple of good players too, didn't you guys said that the ravens wrs corp was one of the worst in the league? Allen lost diggs and gabe but didn't the Bills started to really more on the run game since last year and diggs barely got the ball much. Also didn't the bills traded for Cooper after the second lost in a row because Allen couldn't do it alone. I can go on but why.
@williesquire-zw4nx naw he don't they just good players. Nobody cares what Lamar Jackson does in the regular season until he stop choking in the playoffs what he does in the regular season is irrelevant
@@williesquire-zw4nx a lot of these quarterbacks don't choke in the playoffs they play real good but just fall short. Lamar Jackson plays terrible in the playoffs year after year quit acting like u don't no that
they say its because lamar jackson won a mvp why they put all that expectation on him but we know thats not true. every year they come up with something new. in a way, i hope the votes are split between lamar and josh allen and we have another Co-MVP just to see if the media put expectations on josh allen. but fuck that josh allen dont deserve to mvp this year
@@trumpdrago517but they say Josh should have won an MVP! Bottom line is if he’s a MVP caliber Franchise QB then regardless of how many awards the has or not. It should be Superbowl or bust for Allen’s legacy as well because he beats KC in regular season but doesn’t beat KC in the playoffs! Allen and Burrow should have the same pressure until they win a Superbowl!
Kimberly is not wrong but so wrong. If her first assumption that pressure comes from What these pundits say then she’s right.. but that’s not where the pressure comes from. It comes from themselves, family, fans, teammates and coaches.. etc..
I understand Lamar has been trash in the playoffs 😂 but the Ultimate goal is to win 😂 not play great BUT LOSE😂 and if they both never win a Superbowl 😂 Lamar has MVPs to bounce back on😂 JOSH ALLEN HAS NOTHING BUT THE OVERRATED TITLE AND THAT GARBAGE DIVISION
@jonnykillas2935 not with the numbers and stats Lamar is putting up 😭 IF JOSH ALLEN HAD BETTER STATS, HE MIGHT HAVE A LEGITIMATE ARGUMENT 😭 but as of now Lamar is mv3
@@TomBad-o6x just described offensive player of the year. Allen is more valuable to his team than Lamar, and it’s quite obvious to see. All those stats and still has a worse record even tho ravens have a better team
@sethharris1894 yeah the ravens have a better team 😭 that's why they embarrassed josh Allen 😭 just think about it 😭 HOW CAN JOSH BE THE MOST VALUABLE PLAYER ON THE TEAM, BUT WHEN THEY LOSE THE COACH AND DEFENSE GET THE BLAME😭😭 that's not valuable! And let this sink in, you said josh Allen is the most valuable player on his team 😭 BUT HE HAS A RUNNING BACK THAT HAS THE SAME AMOUNT OF RUSHING TOUCHDOWNS AS DEREK HENRY 😭 so I don't know if you josh Allen fanboys are delusional or in denial 🤣 BUT LAMAR IS MV3 😭 JOSH ALLEN HAS TO TRY AGAIN NEXT YEAR
lol this woman. Lamar is crowned as MVP multiple times but doesn’t have more pressure to win in postseason? Why she all in her feelings?
She literally made up the “bills are a better team” 😂 ravens are the better team collectively
@@Goyper102 facts and it ain't even close
Joshes stats have warranted it more than Lamar for the past three years it’s a narrative award, stats only matter now that Lamar has good stats
Her entire point of "If he's the MVP than he should be held to a higher standard" is so silly.
Lamar has 2 MVPs already, so it was decided not once, but twice and potentially a 3rd time that he's the guy. He should certainly be held to a higher standard of Allen whether or not you think one is better than the other.
2 of those playoff games were his first 2 season no other rookie gets held to a playoff standard but him
He won an mvp is 2nd year😭and then proceeded to put up 12 points in the playoffs
He has multiple MVPs yet stinks in playoffs, that’s why
@@sethharris1894 lets say you're playing a game for the 1st time. you blow through the early stages (regular season) of the game just so you get experience and a better understanding of the game. but then the boss stage (the playoffs) is another level then the final boss (superbowl) is a whole nother level. not every qb is a prodigy and can with superbowls at a young age. ever since lamar turned 24 years old he's been 2-2 in the playoffs and missed the playoffs his 25 and 26 year old season because of injuries,
when people bring up lamar playoff record, theyre talking about him as a 21,22, 23 year old and not as a 27-28 year old...
@@mritizwatitiz dawg, he won an MVP. Obviously if you’re young, there is an excuse. But not when you’re the best player in the league that season😂😂
@@sethharris1894 2 words for you GREG ROMAN he stunted lamar growth as soon as he left lamar has put up career years passing back to back
This is simple........BOTH!!!
Re: MVP - expectations before the season go out the window once the season finishes and we find out who is actually good or bad. The Bills had a losing record against playoff teams (1-2 vs AFC Playoff Teams and 2-3 vs all playoff teams), but won all their games against losing teams. So now that we know the other teams they played were majority junk teams, we know that those expectations for the Bills to not perform well were flawed. Bills have a better roster than most of the teams they faced this year.
Re: Superbowl - It's Lamar, because the Ravens have beaten every AFC playoff teams but KC (barely) this season. So they should be able to replicate that if they're as good as they've shown to be.
For the Bills to win the superbowl, they'll have to win 4 straight games against playoff teams in a season where they have only beaten 2 (and one was missing 7+ defensive starters).
This is insane how these people always focus on certain athletes, but give a pass to others. This is so stupid. Media people are actually stupid people.
1:40 error. Allen has played against Mahomes 3 times in playoffs. 2020 afc title game, 2021 divisional, & 2023 divisional.
Mad dog has no idea what he is talking about.
So if the MVP argument is being used the Lamar just has to win a Super Bowl and this argument is over. Peyton won 2 MVP before he won his first Super Bowl, Aaron Rodger won 4 after he won a Super Bowl and never won another one. Lamar is MVP this year and he can join a list of elites that won a Super Bowl, league MVP and Super Bowl MVP
I am surprised Kimberly doesn’t understand the MVP arguments. I wonder is she drew the short straw and had to take the counterpoint. Jackson raises the Ravens from playoff contender to Super Bowl contender. Josh Allen raises the Bills from irrelevancy to Super Bowl contender. Josh Allen is the definition of V in MVP.
She Has a point and they don't want to hear it .
Josh Allen hasn't won one either, so whats the argument Steve and the guy sitting across the table. Well they are in the same boat, no Superbowl in both parts. The conversation is always on Lamar why?? PREACH Lady, well they both doesn't have a SB Champ. under their belts.
Because he has two MVPs and potentially a 3rd. The bar is and should be higher for a guy who's getting the accolades compared to the guy that isn't.
Steven A is moving the Goalpost now head to head doesn't matter ? GTFOH
Lamar hasn’t played well in the losses because the coaching has been bad! He’s played well in the wins when the coaching has been good! You don’t worry about Mahomes coaching being bad in big games! The Lamar slander has to stop!
Doesn't matter,Patrick will be victorious
The truth!
Didn't he reached the afc championship just like Allen, with his bad playoffs record?!?!? Didn't the ravens lost most of the defensive coaches and a couple of good players too, didn't you guys said that the ravens wrs corp was one of the worst in the league? Allen lost diggs and gabe but didn't the Bills started to really more on the run game since last year and diggs barely got the ball much. Also didn't the bills traded for Cooper after the second lost in a row because Allen couldn't do it alone. I can go on but why.
Kimberly never know what she is talking about lamar have the better players
No one talks about Lamar offensive line lost 3 starters and their o line coach. And Lamar makes all those players better that why😊
@williesquire-zw4nx naw he don't they just good players. Nobody cares what Lamar Jackson does in the regular season until he stop choking in the playoffs what he does in the regular season is irrelevant
@@mario6150 So that goes for every QB other than Pat .
@@williesquire-zw4nx a lot of these quarterbacks don't choke in the playoffs they play real good but just fall short. Lamar Jackson plays terrible in the playoffs year after year quit acting like u don't no that
@mario6150 If didn't win they choked.
Nobody has ever placed Super Bowl expectations on Josh Allen
they say its because lamar jackson won a mvp why they put all that expectation on him but we know thats not true. every year they come up with something new. in a way, i hope the votes are split between lamar and josh allen and we have another Co-MVP just to see if the media put expectations on josh allen. but fuck that josh allen dont deserve to mvp this year
He’s also not a 2x mvp where people say he’s a first ballot hall of famer
@@trumpdrago517but they say Josh should have won an MVP! Bottom line is if he’s a MVP caliber Franchise QB then regardless of how many awards the has or not. It should be Superbowl or bust for Allen’s legacy as well because he beats KC in regular season but doesn’t beat KC in the playoffs! Allen and Burrow should have the same pressure until they win a Superbowl!
@ so should have won one vs did win 2 is VERY different
She's definitely right
I love Molly
Kimberly is not wrong but so wrong. If her first assumption that pressure comes from
What these pundits say then she’s right.. but that’s not where the pressure comes from. It comes from themselves, family, fans, teammates and coaches.. etc..
So the answer is lamar … man has two MVPs ..needs it
No it's not it's the DJ play my music well to talk too me too ....
Until he gets beat no one is winng a ring unless their name is Mahomes
Manning brothers
Get Kimberly off the program,...🧐
Mofo arguing who is the best 2nd quarter of the league at the moment 😂😂
They not winning anyways. 😂
I understand Lamar has been trash in the playoffs 😂 but the Ultimate goal is to win 😂 not play great BUT LOSE😂 and if they both never win a Superbowl 😂 Lamar has MVPs to bounce back on😂 JOSH ALLEN HAS NOTHING BUT THE OVERRATED TITLE AND THAT GARBAGE DIVISION
Josh has an MVP this year
@jonnykillas2935 not with the numbers and stats Lamar is putting up 😭 IF JOSH ALLEN HAD BETTER STATS, HE MIGHT HAVE A LEGITIMATE ARGUMENT 😭 but as of now Lamar is mv3
@@TomBad-o6xif Lamar is so great let me ask you this why isn’t he 1st seed in the afc his stats are way better then Pat Mahomes
@@TomBad-o6x just described offensive player of the year. Allen is more valuable to his team than Lamar, and it’s quite obvious to see. All those stats and still has a worse record even tho ravens have a better team
@sethharris1894 yeah the ravens have a better team 😭 that's why they embarrassed josh Allen 😭 just think about it 😭 HOW CAN JOSH BE THE MOST VALUABLE PLAYER ON THE TEAM, BUT WHEN THEY LOSE THE COACH AND DEFENSE GET THE BLAME😭😭 that's not valuable! And let this sink in, you said josh Allen is the most valuable player on his team 😭 BUT HE HAS A RUNNING BACK THAT HAS THE SAME AMOUNT OF RUSHING TOUCHDOWNS AS DEREK HENRY 😭 so I don't know if you josh Allen fanboys are delusional or in denial 🤣 BUT LAMAR IS MV3 😭 JOSH ALLEN HAS TO TRY AGAIN NEXT YEAR
This show is trash. Purely for entertainment. No football breakdowns. Just takes.
The show is called first take.
Then y do u sit down and listen or even comment move along and go find something else ✌️ 😂
@eduardorodela5243 Good question.
What would Be Great,, Is RAVENS AND BILLS Lose This Weekend 😂
Get Kimberly off the program,...🧐
Get Kimberly off the program,...🧐