Lol that's exactly why they scheduled the nightcap show to be in Houston at the same time as the event with Stephen A and Steve Harvey. Because Unc was not trying to have to answer those questions of did you and Steve have a conversation about the Katt Williams interview.
One of the worst things to happen to sports analyzation is this QB vs QB debate. Anyone who knows anything about football knows that conversation is almost never apples to apples. The game is far more nuanced than that.
I remember in the early 2000’s when sports conversations were a lot more informative/nuanced. Now it’s just a bunch of screaming matches where they say so little
I agree with you to be fair. I’ve been saying it for a while now. Let’s say a QB gets his team off to an early lead. His defence is managing to hold the opposing offence to zero. The gameplan changes. He doesn’t have to take risks pushing the ball far downfield. Running out the clock etc etc takes priority. Securing the win. On the other hand there’s a QB who’s engaged in a shootout and had to throw for 4 touchdowns to get the win. Let’s say that happens every game in the season. The QB with more td’s isn’t necessarily better than the one with less. However people will talk about this QB had this many, the other ran for that many etc etc It matters. Only to an extent. Context matters more. Football is situational more times than not.
@@greenbay3164wym how he’s already accomplished 😂? Don’t get me wrong another ring would definitely boost him up but Lamar and Josh ain’t win 💩 yet? Like what are we talking about
@@Dre4tfaccomplished to be where he’s at correct, along the all time QBs? He’s not there so yes winning a ring helps him at least move up the ladder. But the jets ain’t winning 💩
I think means like if he can get past him, along with whatever else he can do in the rest of his career. If he means that then I think he would crack the top 10 by the end of his career.
I think it's gotta be Allen at 1. AFC Championship was the first time Lamar played Mahomes in the playoffs. Allen's had like 4 chances to take out Mahomes and has lost all of them. If he loses to him again, we gotta start talking about him differently.
For those who don’t know, Mahomes has the same ingredients that got Tom Brady more than 3 rings. A legend at TE, a HOF coach and playmakers around him. It’s no one challenging the chiefs right now
Hearing Molly talk is serious torture Edit: let me add🗿 it wasn’t bad until she started to talk over people and forcefully insert her opinion, don’t get me wrong I respect her opinion and work but when she forces herself into conversation it drags my brain ☠️
I hate when she trys to insert herself in the conversations. She's a mediator, not an informed insider or serious sports journalist. Sure she's nice to look at but know your role.
Say what you want about Rodgers in the nfc championship game but in over 30 years nobody has been to more conference championship games besides Tom Brady. To write the jets off is just haters hating considering they have two elite options of on offense around Rodgers and an elite defense
This is prob the best group first take puts together these days. Wish we could get stephen a, Shannon, and Dan on full time. Mad dog is entertaining in his segments as well. Show is so good when these dudes come on. Instead espn gives us random throw ins 2-3 days a week
I’m with SAS on this one. Allen has had the most opportunities against Mahomes and have yet to defeat him. All losses aren’t his fault but he most definitely needs to beat him more than any other QB in the AFC
I've never heard of many issues on a Greyhound bus, but many are on airplanes. Also, planes crash, and more malfunctions are happening. It was why John Madden never flew on planes.
The worst part of shows like First Take is the ignorance of context. I get they don't have all day to get into the nitty gritty but Allen played out of his mind in that last divisional game. Stefon Diggs had one of the biggest choke drops I've ever seen on a deep pass that landed right in the bread basket, the defense was shredded with injuries, and don't forget the shanked field goal to end it. Did we also forget 13 seconds?
@deandrejohnson4348 How many did of those same throws did Mahomes make? I've been a Chiefs fan all my life but a spade is a spade. I'm just giving credit where it's due
Man, Allen has to be the guy to get the most respect out of not one, but TWO loses ever. Heck, I feel like Burrow at times gets a bit too much glazing for one win, but at the very least it was a win, Allen doesn't even have that.
It doesn’t matter if Josh Allen had 600 yards and Mahomes had 1 yard .. The question is who needs to DEFEAT Mahomes not who performs better .. If Josh Allen does all that and loses and gets sent home none of it matters
Unc makes some good point when it comes to ravens defense only allowing 17 points in the playoffs but let’s not forget Lamar never had a WR or RB who rushed or received for 1000 yards. Mahommes defense gave a lot cuz his earlier team were stacked offensively and they were built for shootout. Context matter.
Both him and Sterling Sharpe don't like Lamar Jackson. They don't like QBs with legs like him because they would get fewer catches. There are also personal preferences why they knock Lamar Jackson. They're not QBs so I don't care what they think. I'll take the words of Steve Young, Tom Brady, and Peyton Manning over anyone else. Ratings and clicks are why Lamar Jackson gets disrespected.
I'm pretty sure they give him such a hard time because he DOES make so much money. He's got some real NFL money from being a QB for 12 years. Not to mention ESPN pays pretty well. I think it's an inside-the-office kind of joke
@@builtbybenny I have a friend that has been working at ESPN for over 10yrs, and on-camera personalities do rake in the cash. Btw, radio personalities do so as well, if they get listeners. However, the difference between pay of the on-camera personalities is immense. There's a reason why they let so many people go recently.
I wasn't thinking Rodger's either. But in all honesty if he doesn't get another chip you can't say his career hasn't been underwhelming. 4 MVPs yeah but he's come up short in the playoffs a lot. To be considered as great as he's been regarded
So, SAS saying Lamar’s offensive talent let him down. Meanwhile, Mahomes receivers had the most drops in the league. When you’re great, you overcome. If people want to put Lamar in Mahomes’ class, then he should be able to make it work with Zay Flowers, OBJ, Agholor, and two great tight ends.
You probably want to re-think this take. Andrews and Flowers are the only players that provide consistent production. Speaking of drops or bad fumbles, did you actually watch the AFC Championship last year?
Facts bro if he was just losing to Mahomes then I would understand, he constantly plays bad every playoffs and lost to titans, and burrow. I won 6k off that titans game. But Lamar overrated he not better than mahomes, burrow, or Allen,
@@Brandon-cp1nv Which is why the answer is Josh Allen, not Lamar Jackson. Allen is the better QB in terms of an actual QB in many people's eyes. Allen has had many opportunities to get to the Super Bowl especially against Patrick Mahomes and the Chiefs and whether it was him, his offense, his defense, or his special teams, he's failed. That window is gonna eventually close if you can't get it done at least ONCE.
Allen isn’t the right answer. He has Less weapons on O and on D. No one expects him to beat Mahomes in the playoffs. The right answer is Lamar without a question
Not sayin Dan right but he got a point… how many years yall banking on Aaron playing? Yall know the discussions surrounding his career and the 4 mvps but the “1 ring, and an entire decade of failures”, another ring for Rodgers, especially beating Mahomes in the process?? That catapults him into a goat discussion because he has the numbers and stats and longevity, but everyone knows him only having one ring is what everyone talks about
Harbaugh has made the ravens a defensive team aslong as I can remember, they are always in games. Fired is crazy.. yess they should’ve ran more that game.. but don’t forget the game was full of mistakes.
So all Lamar has to do is beat 1 guy? What if he doesn’t even win a Super Bowl? What if Allen does win a Super Bowl but doesn’t go through the chiefs? Does it not count?
the answer is literally everyone lol, but if one person its Josh Allen but its never going to happen with McDermott as coach, Allen plays good every year in the playoffs but McDermott is always out coached and out classed by Andy Reid and the one game against Zac Taylor, the Bills defense always gets torched in zone coverage in the playoffs since like 2017 and they never once changed the scheme and get picked apart by the elite offensive coaches every playoffs. they wasted a lot of years of solid vets until injuries derailed them the last 2 seasons
It’s crazy how chiefs beat ravens 17-10 And Shannon gives all credit to Mahomes But when that was Brady everybody always brought up he had the “greatest” coach in bill and a really great defense before they would give him any credit
I think your arguments are outdated because after seeing Bill without Brady nobody is seriously downplaying Tom's affect on winning. Had Bill retired after From left then they could've kept that argument alive but not after what we've seen post Brady.
I swear KC fans have no idea how good they have it with Reid as a HC, as soon as they hired him (and before Mahomes) he had them averaging 10-12 wins a season with an average quarterback! Go ask Philadelphia how he turned Mike Vick (who could barely complete half his passes) into a Pro Bowl passer who completed 60+% of his passes. Heck, Andy Reid led the Eagles to 5 NFC Championship games (and 1 Super Bowl) with Donovan McNabb as his QB. That same McNabb that folded faster than a cheap suit when he left the Eagles. These fans clearly can't see or acknowledge that they have the best offensive coach in NFL history (and top-5 all time) with an All-time QB, oh and top-5 all time defensive coach. But nope IT IS ALL MAHOMES...
Good take Dan. The question didnt ask who can't get past Mahomez, it was who needs to beat him the most this year. Aaron is #1 as Dan said his window is very small at 40, Jackson #2 and #3 Allen.
Dan was absolutely right. All the Ravens had to do was run the ball, they barely ran the ball knowing the chiefs defensive strength was pass defense and ravens receivers was a poor matchup for chiefs dbs
This dude said Aaron Rodgers😭😭😭😂😂😂😂. I’m crying, Dan you lucky they like you at ESPN cause your takes ain’t it
Thank you
Bro I was confused like doesn’t he need to get pass the 49ers that’s been his kryptonite
@@curtiscoffman6735he ain’t in the NFC no more so technically it wouldn’t apply to the 9ers
all these interactions are scripted. each of them knows who the other person is going to pick ahead of time, Dan's doing Skip's job this time around
Dan is starting to sound like Ryan Hollins lmao
Shannon not hanging with Steve Harvy after the Katt interview😂😂
lmaoo mad theres only one comment acknowledging this 😂
Lol that's exactly why they scheduled the nightcap show to be in Houston at the same time as the event with Stephen A and Steve Harvey. Because Unc was not trying to have to answer those questions of did you and Steve have a conversation about the Katt Williams interview.
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Definitely didn’t think about that just now!!
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"Dan Orlovsky u need to be tested" 💀💀💀
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I died laughing at that 🤣🤣🤣
Dans right
@@mikez86he’s not
@@usopenitentiary nah. He is
Stephen A Smith’s suit is god tier. That is FRESH
he rocked that 💩
Next level glazing. It aint even all that
It's a suit...
@@c-money3085you and Patrick’s have no sauce so you wouldn’t know. boy’s
Rockin that Morgan freeman 😂
josh allen needs to beat mahomes the most given all the years the bills have been coming up short against the chiefs.
Agree, with Lamar and the ravens being second imo
Yes us as a TEAM have to beat KC but Josh is the only reason we had a chance those games defense stays selling at the worst time
@@michaelo6161 i meant int the context of the question of which qb needs to beat mahomes the most. i think its josh allen.
@@eriknewton4656 i give you that,him & Burrow needs it the most, they allways come up short against them
@@michaelo6161 Defense stopped them at the 1. Why couldn't he capitalize?
One of the worst things to happen to sports analyzation is this QB vs QB debate. Anyone who knows anything about football knows that conversation is almost never apples to apples. The game is far more nuanced than that.
exactly, i hate it as well...
Yes. Everything has to be factored in when it’s a team sport.
I know I hate it. I also hate the QB wins narrative. There's 3 phases to the game that are very important.
I remember in the early 2000’s when sports conversations were a lot more informative/nuanced. Now it’s just a bunch of screaming matches where they say so little
I agree with you to be fair. I’ve been saying it for a while now. Let’s say a QB gets his team off to an early lead. His defence is managing to hold the opposing offence to zero. The gameplan changes. He doesn’t have to take risks pushing the ball far downfield. Running out the clock etc etc takes priority. Securing the win. On the other hand there’s a QB who’s engaged in a shootout and had to throw for 4 touchdowns to get the win. Let’s say that happens every game in the season. The QB with more td’s isn’t necessarily better than the one with less.
However people will talk about this QB had this many, the other ran for that many etc etc
It matters. Only to an extent. Context matters more. Football is situational more times than not.
Definitely wasn’t thinking Aaron Rodgers
How? How else will the Jets win the Superbowl 😂😂😂
@@greenbay3164wym how he’s already accomplished 😂? Don’t get me wrong another ring would definitely boost him up but Lamar and Josh ain’t win 💩 yet? Like what are we talking about
That doesn't make sense 😂
Its either Lamar or Josh
@@Dre4tfaccomplished to be where he’s at correct, along the all time QBs? He’s not there so yes winning a ring helps him at least move up the ladder. But the jets ain’t winning 💩
"i got on you Molly because it was a beautiful thing to do" 😂
6:03 Shannon almost called Dan Ocho 😂
Having a 'Hear's the ting Skiiip' moment.
Muscle Memory..
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😂😂😂😂
It’s a natural reaction for Unc 😂😂
🤣🤣🤣🤣 But Skkkiiipp
Shannon won this debate. I was sold when he talked about how Lamar’s defense has never let him down
Except vs the titans in 2019
It’s not Lamar and LAMAR HAS BEAT MAHOMES LMFAOO WITH THE WHOLE RAVENS TEAM BEING INJURED
They be giving Dan the HEAT, always 😂😂😂😂
they go insane on Dan 🤣 Dan has good takes too
The Rodgers take is how these debate shows work lol they all gotta have a different opinion
Bro and he just be rolling with it, he a good sport fr 😂😂😂
Anti-White racism.
Fr i be gettin uneasy cuz they never take a day off its almost like the friend that always get picked on
Shannon Sharpe really knows Football 🏈💯
He played it for 14 years won 3 SBs Shannon is a hall of fame Tight End of course he knows what he's talking bout!!
I would hope so he played in the NFL dork 😂
Wish Molly didn’t interrupt him at the end.
@@TheVibe24_7 dont need to call him a dork😭
Shannon definitely won this debate
He said Lamar is top 10 all time if he just beats Lamar once. That is laughable.
@@basementality4924 name me your list of top 10 QBs all time
@@basementality4924I think you meant to say if he just beats Mahomes once
I think means like if he can get past him, along with whatever else he can do in the rest of his career. If he means that then I think he would crack the top 10 by the end of his career.
No he’s not it’s Josh Allen
"no wonder why you in Bristol" Stephen A was cooking Dan at the end lmao 💀
It's gotta be
1. Lamar
2. Josh allen
It’ll never happen, joe cool is the only one capable. He too fkn cool. Cj stroud got that same poise, I think he’s capable too
I think it's gotta be Allen at 1. AFC Championship was the first time Lamar played Mahomes in the playoffs. Allen's had like 4 chances to take out Mahomes and has lost all of them. If he loses to him again, we gotta start talking about him differently.
100.%
@@bodilly6221there’s no way 10 years from now neither Lamar or Josh doesn’t beat Pat at least once in the postseason
@@haydennyagah706 you say that as if it's been Allens fault every time. It's a team game, people need to start talking like it
Dan: “Im gonna pick both of these apart”
SAS: “Are you..?”
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Unc looking like xerxes from 300 with that bling.
W Reference
lmao😂
@Messigoat1033 "Earth and Water..."
H town 😂
I am kind 😭
For those who don’t know, Mahomes has the same ingredients that got Tom Brady more than 3 rings. A legend at TE, a HOF coach and playmakers around him. It’s no one challenging the chiefs right now
Brady had a better defense
"Orlov-keys!" 😂
Stepped out of bound Dan.
😂😂😂😂😂😂
SAS always hyped up when Unc is on the show 😊❤️ best collab
Fun FACT: No Quarterback has ever actually faced one another literally 🤫😂
Duh
Not true. In the early days, qbs played defense as well.
@@WordsMatter1982totally irrelevant to todays convo buddy
It’s a duel like Yugioh
@@BratatoChiphe said “ever” which isn’t just today’s football genius
DO just sitting back at 12:01 with the 🍿🍿 in hand….🤣🤣🤣🤣
Hearing Molly talk is serious torture
Edit: let me add🗿 it wasn’t bad until she started to talk over people and forcefully insert her opinion, don’t get me wrong I respect her opinion and work but when she forces herself into conversation it drags my brain ☠️
incel alert
I skip everytime she talks literally
And having to see your pfp burns my eyes
Grow up kid
Man I thought I was by myself, she is so annoying.
I hate when she trys to insert herself in the conversations. She's a mediator, not an informed insider or serious sports journalist. Sure she's nice to look at but know your role.
I agree with Stephen A Smith. Allen 0-3 against Mahomes in the playoffs regardless of the reason
This man said Aaron Rodgers like the jets gonna make the Super Bowl smh
I know right, Jets are not going to the Super Bowl! 😂😂😂
@@christopherwarburton1889the afc is a monster. Chiefs, ravens, Texans, jets, Cincy… I wouldn’t be surprised if any of these teams make the SB
Say what you want about Rodgers in the nfc championship game but in over 30 years nobody has been to more conference championship games besides Tom Brady. To write the jets off is just haters hating considering they have two elite options of on offense around Rodgers and an elite defense
@@KingInTrainingAaron Rodgers is not at a elite level anymore the jets will never ever see a Super and that’s a guaranteed fact !!!
@@bobbymo316 what numbers say that? Bc he got injured? He can still throw casual
This is prob the best group first take puts together these days. Wish we could get stephen a, Shannon, and Dan on full time. Mad dog is entertaining in his segments as well. Show is so good when these dudes come on. Instead espn gives us random throw ins 2-3 days a week
Stephen A Smith: Annie are you OK? I mean Molly are OK? Are you OK, Molly?
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Thank you Stephen A. !
Lmaoo every other year it was “lamar lost because he didn’t throw the ball more” now its “they didn’t run the ball enough “ 🤣🤣
Ever heard of balance?
😂 facts
two things can be true..
Facts, the Chiefs defense wanted Lamar to throw so they gave him bad running looks. Lamar had RPO options to run the ball but chose to throw
@@tyrikgrant8789
7:27 I cried laughing 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
I was looking for this Dan wasn't ready 😂
Nah the way O was siting with his hands when the start talking about Lamar 🤣🤣🤣🤣 manz look like a peak villian just enjoying his work.
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I was looking for this comment😂😂😂😂
Gotta love Stephen A vs Unc 🤣🤣 Always a classic!!
I’m with SAS on this one. Allen has had the most opportunities against Mahomes and have yet to defeat him. All losses aren’t his fault but he most definitely needs to beat him more than any other QB in the AFC
Allen 5-5 in the playoffs and Lamar is 2-5. Lamar got them MVPs so he definitely supposed to be beating Mahomes when it come down to it
@@jaliancasey5409naw Allen keeps falling short
@@jbmlk he won twice as much in the playoffs as Lamar
@@jaliancasey5409 No he's not "supposed" to be beating Mahomes because he isn't better.
@@Slayer1106411 if anybody can beat Mahomes then who should be the one if ain’t the multiple time MVP winner?
Everyone forgets the League changed the OT rules because of Mahomes and he just won the superbowl with the new OT rules 😂😭 3peat on the way! 💪🏽
0:42 mutual understanding 😂😂
H-Town. 😏
unc was with a eater 😭😭
Iykyk!!! Houston is serious!! Especially when it come to the ladies. All flavors too 😂😂
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Dan a multimillionaire taking Greyhounds around the country 💀
What’s the way u stay a multi millionaire?
That's how you stay a millionaire
@@djs1791by making money?
@@increasekru5123 roman Pierce 😆
I've never heard of many issues on a Greyhound bus, but many are on airplanes. Also, planes crash, and more malfunctions are happening. It was why John Madden never flew on planes.
The answer is Lamar
Nah Josh Allen
Lamar can barely beat titans in the playoffs how he gonna beat chiefs
ALL 3 OF YALL ARE RIGHT
So a normal episode??
Yep
Stephen A takes this segment 💯
Stephen A on point. I was thinking Josh Allen before Stephen A started talking.
The look on Unc's face when he said......"H-Town". Lmfao! These boys are wild. Shannon showing love to tha third!
WOOOW Stephen A defending Lamar?!?! Im shocked g
He actually wasn’t
Dan Orvlosky is the First Take version of Rashad McCants on Gil’s Arena 😂😂😂😂 I CAN’T unsee it!!!
Equally dumb idd😂
Nah fr 😂
They have to be trolling us because there’s no way they really block some of the stuff that comes out of their mouth
LOL when Dan was back on the screen, and Dan just smiled and took it 😂😂😂
ABSOLUTELY GREAT TAKE GUYS!!!
These 3 on tv our KING 👑
The worst part of shows like First Take is the ignorance of context. I get they don't have all day to get into the nitty gritty but Allen played out of his mind in that last divisional game. Stefon Diggs had one of the biggest choke drops I've ever seen on a deep pass that landed right in the bread basket, the defense was shredded with injuries, and don't forget the shanked field goal to end it. Did we also forget 13 seconds?
Allen played out his mind throwing 20 passes behind the line of scrimmage
@deandrejohnson4348 How many did of those same throws did Mahomes make? I've been a Chiefs fan all my life but a spade is a spade. I'm just giving credit where it's due
Man, Allen has to be the guy to get the most respect out of not one, but TWO loses ever. Heck, I feel like Burrow at times gets a bit too much glazing for one win, but at the very least it was a win, Allen doesn't even have that.
It doesn’t matter if Josh Allen had 600 yards and Mahomes had 1 yard .. The question is who needs to DEFEAT Mahomes not who performs better .. If Josh Allen does all that and loses and gets sent home none of it matters
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Unc was at the BOOTY CLUB 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Unc makes some good point when it comes to ravens defense only allowing 17 points in the playoffs but let’s not forget Lamar never had a WR or RB who rushed or received for 1000 yards. Mahommes defense gave a lot cuz his earlier team were stacked offensively and they were built for shootout. Context matter.
Mark Ingram Rush for over 1,000 yards the first year Lamar was a starter.
Lamar never played with pro bowl Wr Ravens fired Gm Ravens loosing because Wr
@@anthonycallaway4904good point but he never had the offensive weapons untill last year
@@Messigoat1033and what did he do with those offensive weapons last year in the playoffs?
@@BobbyM817it his first year in a new system and the gameplan sucked. You don’t clean your chicken or steak before you cook it
3:40 No way Shanon just said Lamar needs 1 playoff win vs mahomes to be a top 10 qb all time 🤣🤣🤣🤣 worst take I’ve heard in my life
Both him and Sterling Sharpe don't like Lamar Jackson. They don't like QBs with legs like him because they would get fewer catches. There are also personal preferences why they knock Lamar Jackson. They're not QBs so I don't care what they think. I'll take the words of Steve Young, Tom Brady, and Peyton Manning over anyone else. Ratings and clicks are why Lamar Jackson gets disrespected.
They need to chill on calling Dan cheap. He probably ain’t making as much money as them or he’s just real humble and money don’t change him
I'm pretty sure they give him such a hard time because he DOES make so much money. He's got some real NFL money from being a QB for 12 years. Not to mention ESPN pays pretty well. I think it's an inside-the-office kind of joke
He has a wife, I think he has triplet boys and a daughter lol, he chooses to be cheap, he said that.
@@builtbybenny I have a friend that has been working at ESPN for over 10yrs, and on-camera personalities do rake in the cash. Btw, radio personalities do so as well, if they get listeners. However, the difference between pay of the on-camera personalities is immense. There's a reason why they let so many people go recently.
SAS needs to make himself feel better after Molly rejected him
Good arguments! Great debate! This is what people wanna see. I like everyone's point of view.
I wasn't thinking Rodger's either. But in all honesty if he doesn't get another chip you can't say his career hasn't been underwhelming. 4 MVPs yeah but he's come up short in the playoffs a lot. To be considered as great as he's been regarded
Shay Shay be hittin em wit facts 👀
"It's not tennis" was a BAR by Dan ngl lol
Shannon's back! That's what we here for 😊😮❤
HERE WE GOOOOO 😂
He said don't interrupt Shannon: 7:01
Moments later: 11:06
So, SAS saying Lamar’s offensive talent let him down.
Meanwhile, Mahomes receivers had the most drops in the league. When you’re great, you overcome. If people want to put Lamar in Mahomes’ class, then he should be able to make it work with Zay Flowers, OBJ, Agholor, and two great tight ends.
You probably want to re-think this take. Andrews and Flowers are the only players that provide consistent production. Speaking of drops or bad fumbles, did you actually watch the AFC Championship last year?
Molly being cut out of the segment was perfect here!
The Ravens put up godly points in the regular season its not the offense IT THE QUARTERBACK!
Facts bro if he was just losing to Mahomes then I would understand, he constantly plays bad every playoffs and lost to titans, and burrow. I won 6k off that titans game. But Lamar overrated he not better than mahomes, burrow, or Allen,
@@Brandon-cp1nv Which is why the answer is Josh Allen, not Lamar Jackson. Allen is the better QB in terms of an actual QB in many people's eyes. Allen has had many opportunities to get to the Super Bowl especially against Patrick Mahomes and the Chiefs and whether it was him, his offense, his defense, or his special teams, he's failed. That window is gonna eventually close if you can't get it done at least ONCE.
@@wook1990 I agree with everything u just said, Mahomes is 1, then burrow 2, Allen 3 Lamar 4
@juwanharris5425 so u have Lamar over burrow, burrow beating mahomes with a horrific o line already puts him over everybody else
It’s both coaching and the quarterback play paaaaaa😮
Yo the intro is wild😭😭
Allen isn’t the right answer. He has Less weapons on O and on D. No one expects him to beat Mahomes in the playoffs. The right answer is Lamar without a question
First take is awesome
I know it’s four years, but 220+ pts off Josh Allen turnovers is a STAT Jesus Christ 😂😂😂
Don’t say that too loud. The narrative police will come for you😂
Now do playoffs…
Let’s do playoffs
@@drgoalieno super bowls next
@@Billsbyabill7160 Super Bowls next
Arron Rodger’s was so left field my head spun
As a Chiefs fan I'm still happy that Lamar was trying to prove he can win in the big game passing, and didn't run!
this was a great debate. I was expecting DO to mention Josh Allen but I like the Aaron Rodgers argument.
Not sayin Dan right but he got a point… how many years yall banking on Aaron playing? Yall know the discussions surrounding his career and the 4 mvps but the “1 ring, and an entire decade of failures”, another ring for Rodgers, especially beating Mahomes in the process?? That catapults him into a goat discussion because he has the numbers and stats and longevity, but everyone knows him only having one ring is what everyone talks about
0:43 I felt that Shannon pause 😂
Harbough is on the hot seat!!!
Shoulda been fired yearssss ago
Stg he’s terrible in situational football he’s a mentor not a teacher
@@husseing466 YEEEAAAAARRRSSSS! These analysts NEVER put into context how Lamar SAVED this man's job.
@@aaronhugz4277 Harbaugh is a cheerleader
Harbaugh has made the ravens a defensive team aslong as I can remember, they are always in games. Fired is crazy.. yess they should’ve ran more that game.. but don’t forget the game was full of mistakes.
Dan makes a good point. Aaron ain't got that much time left he's gotta get one either this year or next year
Let the chaos event let’s go 😂😂😂
Joe Montana, John Elway, Johnny Unitas, Dan Marino, Fran Tarkenton, Doug Williams, Terry Bradshaw, Jim Plunkett, Troy Aikmen, Phil Simms,
you missed kenny the snake stabler and roger staulback
Qb dont play defense
Mahomes defense has gave up 7 more points than Lamar’s defense and he still win, so yes it’s the quarterback
Keeping drives alive can be a form of defense lol keeping the opposing offense off the field
Did brady?
Cut to Dan was priceless
Lamar w/o beating Mahomes in the playoffs is still a Hall of Famer, Josh Allen w/o beating Mahomes in the playoffs is just a very good quarterback.
Couldn't agree more. I think if Josh Allen loses to mahomes and the Chiefs again he's finished.
If Lamar beats mahomes he is a made man
Don't matter he's an MVP just like mahomes and only 1 win against him
Facts
So all Lamar has to do is beat 1 guy? What if he doesn’t even win a Super Bowl? What if Allen does win a Super Bowl but doesn’t go through the chiefs? Does it not count?
the answer is literally everyone lol, but if one person its Josh Allen but its never going to happen with McDermott as coach, Allen plays good every year in the playoffs but McDermott is always out coached and out classed by Andy Reid and the one game against Zac Taylor, the Bills defense always gets torched in zone coverage in the playoffs since like 2017 and they never once changed the scheme and get picked apart by the elite offensive coaches every playoffs. they wasted a lot of years of solid vets until injuries derailed them the last 2 seasons
The real question who can beat spags defense when it matters most
Go remind Chiefs fans that they have a top-5 all time D-coordinator, and then hear them say that nope, it's all Mahomes
This might be the best argument without molly interrupting them 😂
Rodgers lmfao that's hilarious
Love it when shonnan and Steven go against each others. Lol
Dan be going thru it every Monday 😭😭
Jumping on the greyhound 😂😂
Felt that.
The way Unc said "Houston"... 😂😂😂
All u need to know is 13 seconds
It’s crazy how chiefs beat ravens 17-10
And Shannon gives all credit to Mahomes
But when that was Brady everybody always brought up he had the “greatest” coach in bill and a really great defense before they would give him any credit
I think your arguments are outdated because after seeing Bill without Brady nobody is seriously downplaying Tom's affect on winning. Had Bill retired after From left then they could've kept that argument alive but not after what we've seen post Brady.
@@Maxrepfitgm Re-read his comment.
I swear KC fans have no idea how good they have it with Reid as a HC, as soon as they hired him (and before Mahomes) he had them averaging 10-12 wins a season with an average quarterback! Go ask Philadelphia how he turned Mike Vick (who could barely complete half his passes) into a Pro Bowl passer who completed 60+% of his passes. Heck, Andy Reid led the Eagles to 5 NFC Championship games (and 1 Super Bowl) with Donovan McNabb as his QB. That same McNabb that folded faster than a cheap suit when he left the Eagles.
These fans clearly can't see or acknowledge that they have the best offensive coach in NFL history (and top-5 all time) with an All-time QB, oh and top-5 all time defensive coach. But nope IT IS ALL MAHOMES...
Finally a good video out of them
Shay Shay sitting in his room in Houston!
Good take Dan. The question didnt ask who can't get past Mahomez, it was who needs to beat him the most this year. Aaron is #1 as Dan said his window is very small at 40, Jackson #2 and #3 Allen.
What’s with people attacking Aaron Rodgers who’s literally in 6 to 8 years is going to be inducted in the Pro Football Hall of Fame
Because in this case, Aaron isn’t the “QB Who needs to defeat Mahomes the Most” lol I blame Dan for even bringing him up cause wth?
Jelous
Only 1 chip
We are talking about this season. Rodgers' time is running out. The other QBs need to beat Patrick Mahomes, but they all have time.
Dan was absolutely right. All the Ravens had to do was run the ball, they barely ran the ball knowing the chiefs defensive strength was pass defense and ravens receivers was a poor matchup for chiefs dbs
telling a grown man he stays up to late is that insane 😅😂
DO sitting in his villain pose with his hands together while Stephen and Shannon argue.😂😂😂
Aaron Rodgers and a top 5 defense is a recipe for a Super Bowl. Aslong as Rodgers is healthy then the jets gone be in the afc title game
I hope so! Will be must see TV
And gon get spanked 😂😂😂
@@Charles-3900 Everyone outside of Missouri hopes not lol
@@Charles-3900 calm down Nick Wright
This was a really good session. All points valid I even give a slight nod for Rodgers ...Dan O
Whisper “H-town” says enough 🤣🤣🤣 I just moved here a year ago and I know exactly what he means
Allllllllllll that scattered thick H-town 🍑...😂😂😂
I hear u fam, but know that South Beach Flu what’s jumping too😂
20 min vid ? Need more vids like this.
Somebody could've said Jacoby Brisett and I would've agreed before I said Aaron Rodgers 🤣
I like when it gets tense like this