How to make these Alternative Dovetail Joints (The Knapp Joint)
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In this woodworking video, I show you how to make an alternative dovetail joint - The Knapp Joint. If you enjoy making or learning how to make dovetail joints, you will really enjoy the woodworking tips that I share in this project video.
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Every school needs a woodwork teacher like you man. You put just as much effort into describing your work as your do with the practical side.
Cheers for the videos mate!! 👌🏻
Do they still do woodwork in schools these days?
Thanks very much Alan! :)
@@CelticSaint yes! I am a wood shop teacher. I don't teach this joint though😬 But I do teach dove tails. Hanover PA. USA.
@@CelticSaint My school still has all the equipment but its not its own thing, its used sometimes by the FFA.
Uncharted territory, making tools so you can build something that nobody is doing. Hats off to you sir .
Dedication at its finest
I want him to show us how to make that patented thingy that is made for doing them... :-D
@@nickbrutanna9973 Look up the patent, it'll have diagrams of all the important parts
Check out watchmaking videos. Seems like half of the job is making tools to do the job.
Phenomenal. I get this joint as a request for Joint of the Week all the time. No chance I'm trying it now. You just wrote the book, manual and bible. Great work my friend.
Hahaha I sent a request to you to do that too Jonathan :-)
You can build on this!
I like how you say "I'll need to put my thinking cap on" to find an upcoming project to use this joint method after having designed and solved a method by which to create the joint in the first place.
I'm stoned and clicked on this expecting a video about joints.
Still wasn't disappointed. Nice video man
LMAO😂
legend!
Im not used to this kind of joints too :v
I was watching till the end always thinkig it is about Joints. Hoping they would say it at the end what it has to do about Joints😂
a nice mull of acorns...eh?
I have always had great admiration for people who know how to use tools well. You are the next level creating your own bits and jigs like that. Absolutely awesome sir! Beautiful joint too!
Being a Knapp for 36 years never heard of this joint before. Glad my name's on something useful.
one of the most beautiful joints i have ever seen. i think it must be obvious when used in furniture, not hidden. every piece of furniture would become the true piece of art with this joint exposed. thank you for sharing this with us.
In one word: Wow! With a father and two grandfathers who were carpenters, I had never seen anything like this.
was just having that conversation with my dad, neither of us had heard of it and as many of the woodworking shows he watches on saturday morning PBS they hadn't ever shown it. Thinking someone needs to write This Old House and see if they can get Tommy to explain it...
I have a cnc machining center in my shop that is underused. Now to find the drive to start.
Pity they weren’t cabinetmakers ....
You are the Master of Invention.... You always find a way to accomplish what you want to achieve even if you do not have the exact tools. True inspiration. Aussie Aussie Aussie
It is refreshing to see heat treatment done properly on UA-cam, this is the first time I have seen it.
For heat treatment porn go watch clickspring.
@@thehorriblebright Oh god yes
@@thehorriblebright Or go to Alec Steele's channel.
My dad was a carpenter. This is the sort of thing he used to do. It was a pleasure watching you work - nice to see your attention to detail.
Hey,
just wanted to say what an inspiration you are to me. After watching your videos I've been inspired to try woodworking myself. Sadly, I live in an apartment in UAE (i am from India) and have no access to wood or woodworking space and am just a 15 year old.
Hopefully i will remember your channel try to make something myself when i will be older.
P.S your videos are great especially the scrapwood challenge
Same I would love to do more woodwork.
I know what you mean by living in an apartment, especially with a family. I was in an apartment for 8 years until I had enough and left town with my family and we found a house (much cheaper) with a single car garage, which I'm now converting into a shop. Now I'm buying tools again. I am excited to get started! I am 60. (Dang, that is weird writing down that large number!)
Keep your goal. So.edsy, you will have all the woodworking tools you need.
Imaduddin Zanjani all you really need to start woodworking is a saw, a plane, and a couple of chisels. You could start with some small projects in your apartment. Look into some resources like Japanese style woodworking or western style woodworkers like Paul Sellers where most everything is done by hand to get you started. It’s also a good way to get a good foundation in basic skills.
A simple and usually free resource for wood is old pallets. Many places are always looking to get rid of them.
Awesome. We just don't see this kind of thing anymore. Time is money which drives today's world but it's great to see that you took the time to be a real craftsman. Well done.
I don’t do any sort of wood working. But this video has totally made me wish I did.
I think I counted about 19 tools he has I don't own, so I'll just enjoy his work skills!
Excellent video... a blend of old woodwork and modern machinery. The first joint you made that was very tight, reminded me of when I was stationed overseas years ago. I watched a Dutchman make a cabinet. He used this joint as well as various other tight fitting joints. That man never used a single nail or a drop of glue. He created the drawer pulls by recessing “hidden” finger holds behind the drawer face. It was beautiful, with a various mix of hardwoods. He hand rubbed it with linseed oil. Then I remembered reading books on furniture making in the traditional way, when craftsman didn’t use nails or glue. Your Knapp joint was simply beautiful.
I've seen these joints on old furniture and wondered how they were made. After watching this I want to start making some of my own.
my grandmother had a chest of drawers with joints like these, your the first person to know anything about them. I was beginning to think i was nuts
Well done! I have a friend and former broworker at Shopsmith, Jim McCann, who produced a beautiful version of the Knapp joint that was featured on a lingerie cabinet that was featured in one of the Fine Woodworking design books. His scallops were almost full circles, so he renamed it the Beaver Tail Joint. He hand cuts his tails on a scroll saw, which as you can imagine takes a ton of skill and lots of time. I’ve passed the link to this vid on to him and I’m sure he will appreciate your approach and will relate to your journey! Thanks for sharing, Scott
The beaver tail joint sounds cool and cut by hand - wow! :)
Very nicely done indeed. I’ve been building furniture and boats for over fifty years and always wanted to try this type of joint. Thanks so much for the information and expertise. C.D. Springstead, boat builder, and board member, Finger Lakes Boating Museum, Hammondsport, New York, USA
I'm a carpenter and my grandfather was a furniture maker. But this is the first time I have seen it. Looks fun, so I am going to try and maybe use it in a project myself.
That's great to hear Peet! :)
my work has become more and more dependent on CNC machines, but seeing you make all of this with your hands was so refreshing and relaxing, thank you
That should be called the “Brass Knuckle Joint” looks to be amazingly strong and beautiful to boot
I am SO glad I took wood & metal shop all thru high school. 40 years later and I still use those skills everyday! Even though I have a desk job. I do not have the most expensive tools but I have a full shop and love to repair stuff that others would just throw away. It is also great fun to make one of a kind toys for the family children at Christmas. For those just starting out. The first tools I would buy 1: small band saw 2: power drill 3: router. With these three tools you could make a lot of furniture, etc. Later you can buy power sanders to save you time, and a bench top table saw can help with repeatable, accurate cuts. Be safe and have fun forever.
Oh boy was that a labor of love! The patience of a saint.
I have projects I want to build, then I watch your videos and want to build jigs all day long! Please keep up the excellent work!
I'm trying to figure out how people give this a thumbs down? This was awesome.
Because the internet. Logic says one in twenty humans are horrible little shits.
Because they feel they're not talented enough to do something like this, so they have to shit on those that are.
I don't think I could ever do what he did, but rather than be jealous, I'm impressed... in awe...I aspire to even be half the carpenter he is.
Trump's Tiny Hands 1 in 20? I thought it wood be higher.
Bots. There are bots that generate likes for certain videos to push them higher up in the algorithm, so that they start getting shown to actual people. Those bots need to behave similar to humans, so they can't just like one video, and they like & dislike random other videos to fool the bot detectors. 345 out of 15K is such a low number that it seems to me like it must be bots and maybe misclicks.
@@Blitterbug So you're saying that people are not entitled to their opinion unless it matches your own? What a horrible little shit you are.
Neil, I don't know what you do for a living, but you are a cut above the average youtube improvisor. Thank you for all the ideas sir.
always worth seeing his carpentry skills , the mans a genius .
I looked at the main thumbnail picture, thought that looks way to complicated for me and ignored the video for a while. I watched it eventually and so glad I did, you make the complex and scary seem quite possible (even for me). Thanks your an inspiration!
I am really impressed with your problem solving abilities.
I can see myself building some of those jigs to solve other problems I am having at the moment.
That is a very beautiful joint. You remind me of my grandpa. He very very rarely bought any wood working tools. He would make them. He was a wood working genius. He would do stuff just like this all the time. My hats off to you sir. Beautiful work.
Ah the utilitarian. The problem solving here is beautiful. Smart man you are.
love the joint have seen this in many pieces of furniture, but never had the time to figure out a simple method to make them. This is very clear. thanks!
"Simple" lol
@@774471jr ha! nice. once you have the jigs made though, it really isn't too complicated. even those are not difficult for a carpenter who is worth his salt.
Despite this comment coming from a man who sometimes struggle to figure out which end of the nail to wallop into the -metal- wood, this video was watched in it's entirety, and I thoroughly enjoyed it.
It is great to see someone finding these older ways of doing things and reteaching them again. Beautiful joint and thx for sharing it.
Dude ...how could someone thumbs down this haha the amount of work 😳
I had seen this joint on an old organ wind box and wondered how they made them in production. Excellent video, thank you. Lincoln, NE, USA
Hooray - a really informative video with no annoying music - Thanks
I've always wanted to make that joint! Thanks for sorting it out Neil!!
No worries! :)
Thanks for sharing! My Grandfather's marble-top dresser has these joints on the drawer sides. I first noticed them years ago and thought, "...Well, look at that!"!
Overwhelmed with the creativity and simplicity of this magnificent joint. Very, very impressive!!! Thank you!!
Glad you liked it Scott! :)
Scott Barrett kj@l@lzz
I had tried this style decades ago... never any luck....gave up.... Now, I no longer make drawers... and here you are... now I can go to sleep with my fathers a happy man. Thank you. You've done a bang-up job of it!
You tackle the hard projects, and this is why I love your channel so much. Thanks for sharing your talents.
Inspiring work! I’ve never been fond of dovetail joints. I can make them, but I just don’t think they’re all that great looking. I know it’s sacrilege amongst woodworkers but I think box joints and splined miters are much nicer looking. This joint, though, is beautiful! And the level of craftsmanship required should be obvious to anyone. You make it look so easy, too. It’s said you can do anything if you have the right tools; I guess that’s even more true when you know how to MAKE the right tools! If I can manage to make myself a good template and plug cutter, I’ll be using this joint a LOT! Thanks so much for this excellent video!
LOVE the joint - don't see me doing it though. Just a bit too ... fiddly. Might try knitting with my toes ..or braiding nose hairs into corn rows or something a little less challenging. 🤣🤣🤣
I couldn't see the smileys so i don't know if you are joking. Knitting using toes is tough sir! That's some crazy level out there.
braiding nose hairs into corn rows is nothing to sneeze at...
I really appreciate that you show all the attempts that didn’t work. Show’s just how much effort you had to put into this!
Never seen this type of joint before and like the look of it. I like the indexed method for the first part, cutting one detail per cut. Would be nice to use the same or similar with the other part maybe with some sort of broaching tool with a vertical reciprocating movement. Anyway thanks for this super thought provoking project.
Yeah, something like an arbor press and a half-circle gouge. The trick is constructing the gouge, as I can't think of an easy source for quench-hardenable pipe.
Im cnc working brain and when I see work like yours Im delighted. Dam good work !!!
Not sure if someone has already said this, but you didn't need to anneal the drill at the start. If you had tried to machine it, you would have had to anneal it (unless you used carbide tooling). When grinding, so long as you quench frequently to preserve the temper, you can re-shape steel in its hardened state. Heating and quench hardening introduces a lot of distortion which you could avoid by just re-shaping the drill in its factory hardened, tempered and ground state.
Great video though! A really interesting joint.
Thanks Alex! Yes you're right it could be done that way but I knew I was going to be using hand files, so that's why I annealed it. :)
Late to the game but thanks for this. And kudos for keeping the slight missteps or imperfections in the process. I love that you didn’t have a spare bit to hand, so you worked out something else. And figured out easier ways AFTER doing it. Real life … and that’s how innovation works anyway.
I've been wanting to make a tool box out of wood and this joint looks like it would be perfect. Both strong and decorative.
Maybe a good idea for a scrap wood challenge
Sir - you are by far one of the best and most ingenious woodworker on yt.
hat off yours. Greetings from germany.
Can't believe I've been woodworking for like 8 years and this is my first time seeing this lol. That's really cool!
Thought I was clicking on a joint rolling vid but stayed for the expert woodworking
What a neat solution to make this cool looking joint! I'm definitely going to try this. I also love the idea of scribing a line to reduce chip out. I'll be stealing that idea for all sorts of jobs. Thank you!
Glad you liked it Mike! :)
It's a super useful technique it very quickly makes your work look better and cleaner.
Knife walls/cut lines are 0ld Sk00l joinery techniques. They're tried and true.
Paul Sellers may have invented them during the bronze age. ;)
My daughter has two antique washstands that have this joint. I have already repainted one and am working on the second one now. This one is Walnut with Walnut burn inlays on the front of the door and drawers. Any value these washstands had as antiques had long been lost by other people trying to repair and strip them with paint scrapers.
Amazing. I can’t get enough of people doing their own mods.
This is a superb wood working book I`ve ever read, t.co/z6o0f8z2H4 . Both novice and some skilled woodworker can gain a lot of general info using this reading material. I`ve been very amazed how frequently I use this to look up woods at places like to restore and salvage spots.?
Ingenuity at its best. A very skilled workman.
This Old Tony would be a good collaboration on this.
Matthias Wandel's Pantorouter would make it a snap.
Yes but he would probably make aluminum drawers... That actually sounds pretty cool
@@mrjp2149 yes ! with his new/old cnc machine (MAHO). Wooden drawers with alluminium or stainless steel fronts.
@@caliguladeuxThat's true he did get it running!
TOT would make a knuckle duster and beat it into submission. But in reality a form tool with sharp edges could be used with a press. Basically like a cookie cutter idea.
I love and hate watching your videos Pask. Love it because they are amazing and hate them because adds one more thing I want to try to an ever growing list. Your sometimes simple, yet overly effective, approach to any problem inspires me to try them all. Keep making vids and inspiring all of us. Thanks.
I have never heard off this joint ! As a huge fan off dove tails I'll be giving this one a go for sure ! Amazing work !
Time sounds,
I'm a huge fan of joints in general, this one is not well known for being so cool looking!
@@dansmolen1618 You must be from Northern California...(wink,wink)
It's a joke - NorKali grows a large amount of dope. Strangely enough, there's also a lot of dopes there. Go figure.
(and no, I'm not making fun of you at all - that was just a great setup line and my warped mind just could not pass it up!!!)
@@thomream1888 you're a funny guy Thom. I really am going to make something with this Knapp joint,can't believe I'd never saw this earlier In life!a real light colored,and a real dark colored wood together,would just really set it off! GO PACK! I'm from Northern Cheesehead country!
@@dansmolen1618 It really is a cool-looking joint. And I'd never seen it until this video. Are you a woodworker? This looks like a difficult joint to make and it's way beyond my skill level.But give me a Skillsaw and I can chop fingers off with the best of them!
Fantastic build and tutorial! Spot on mate the Explanation again in this video is second to none! (That in itself is a gift mate) What sets your videos apart from other YT videos is, we're NEVER left thinking "I don't get it" - which is what makes it a great video tutorial (rather than just ok or good).. Great British backyard engineering and problem solving at its finest! 👍🏴🇬🇧
This looks like something a 3d printer would be a huge help with. With a CAD file the template could be printed and then followed with a router to make the wood version which would be strong enough to use as the guide. I reckon I'll try that method
Your video's are what motivates me to go out into the old barn in my summer house to clear it of all the heavy junk and tear down the walls. Just to make a wood working space for me and my old man.
I love how much of a perfectionist you are. Wish i could come stay, build and learn from you for a month
This is beyond skill and genius. Pleasure to watch.
I'm so glad Matthias sent me here 😍
What the hell matthias is my friggen brother.
Great work, and I like your video technique; no unnecessary explaining when we can see what you are doing, and no annoying music. Good job!
When you see THIS on a piece of antique furniture you know it's the real thing. BUY IT!
I have only seen it once in hundreds of antique shops.
@@thomasarussellsr I've seen a few (and bought one!) on mostly Eastlake pieces.
Not sure if anyone has suggested this already, I dont want to read all the comments. You could easily design these specialty templates as 3D models on the computer and print them with a 3D printer! If you are not too computer oriented, seeing as you have the skills its not that hard to learn. Anyways this was a great video and very entertaining/educational to watch!
You’re a bloody artisan mate. There’s no other way of saying it.
Drawers would be an obvious choice for your upcoming project but a box style coffee table would be nice too.
This is a no nonsense, extremely informative video. This is being resourceful at its best !!!!!
Паск как всегда ходит по грани: из пары сверел, фанеры и пары досок делает вещи, недоступные даже очень рукастым мастерам. Классика😉
Спасибо! :)
Yes ha ha ha ha lol
Recently found an old dresser with mirror and glove boxes with this joint on the drawers. I restored it, and its beautiful.
beautifully complicated over engineered joint, gotta love it :D
Why did anyone thumb this down? I'm confused, I was really impressed.
Just for fun, I'd like to see you test the joint for strength. It's obviously strong, a ton of glue area. Unique look as well.
Just wanted to say that I really appreciate your videos. very 'honest' and authentic. helpful to normal people. :)
You did well on this and I give you absolutely major points for going about it in the frontier perspective. I am impressed with your problem solving technique. Thanks for sharing this gem!
All the best to you and yours!
I think this is my new Favorite joint
Such a beautiful joint, wonderfully executed. I love seeing your thinking process and how you make your jigs and templates. You've got yourself a new subscriber.
I'll be watching more of your videos as this was really interesting.
The Knapp Dovetailing Machine, what an interesting and complex machine.
Absolutely! I wish I could find out more about it and how it worked! :)
Google is your friend. There's patents with drawings and text, as well as an article on www.finewoodworking.com (gotta be a subscriber to read it though). And lots of other stuff.
You are painstakingly replicating by hand a joint that was created for mass production by machinery. I do like how they look. Great work!
I never knew I wanted to do this until I saw this video.
Those joins are absolutely beautiful. So clever.
As a carpenter in training I'm really glad I found this channel, You have my thanks :D
Heckuva fine result, and the instructional was impeccable! I remember that years ago, Fine Woodworking magazine had an article by a Bermudan man, who showed how these were done, half by hand, on that island.
That's a beautiful joint. I'll definitely have to mark this for future reference. Thank you for sharing with us.
The joint is beyond beautiful!
Admirado por tu gran inteligencia . Increíble capacidad de resolver problemas . Felicitaciones amigo.
You have a lot more patience than I am capable of........ awesome work sir!
I don’t know how I got here?! But this was fascinating.
I’d never do this, have the talent, skills, patience or tools but I still watched the whole thing 😂
Glad you enjoyed it! :)
same
I'm a novice woodworker but damn, I'm keen to give this a crack
this is the first time i've ever seen this joint and i'm determined to have this on every piece of furniture i own someday
Nicolle I have several pieces with these joints in my possession right now... I restore antiques and vintage furniture and turn old washstands into functional pieces of art
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The second joint is made by using a cutter from the side. Has to be long to do longer drawer sides. Or you need to use a horizontal mill configuration. (think replacing your table saw blade with a blade that is a point in the middle, with two radius concave falloffs on either side, and running the boards through standing on end. Sort of like a mirrored roundover dado? (I dont think that is a thing... but if you had mirrored roundovers.. something like that)
Why does UA-cam show me these videos at bedtime? I should be sleeping, but I can't stop watching. Beautiful workmanship.
Neve seen these joints before but I really like them.
You just keep getting better. Very impressive.
Not to take away any coolness on the jig and joins, my biggest take away I’d the masking tape for mixing glue. I’m using that!
"I’d the masking tape for mixing glue" - well, that certainly makes no sense.
@@johncoops6897 Replace I'd with is
I missed that part... explain
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