Is a NATO-Russia war inevitable? | DW News Desk
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- Опубліковано 28 лип 2024
- While war rages in Ukraine, both NATO and Russia are getting ready for a direct confrontation. Does Moscow really want a war with the world's largest military alliance? And how should NATO deal with the Russian threat in the long term?
This week's panel:
Host 1: Biresh Banerjee
Host 2: Michelle Stockman
Reporter: Alex Forrest Whiting
Audience: Jared Reed
Guests:
Jade McGlynn: Research Fellow, Department of War Studies, King’s College London
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Teri Schultz: DW Correspondent covering NATO
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Chapter Breakdown:
1:43 Intro and topic: NATO and Russia
5:32 How is Russia preparing for conflict with NATO?
11:20 NATO and Russia in direct confrontation
16:18 What's Russia's world view?
18:43 Will a Trump presidency shift NATO policy?
21:10 How does Russia's past determine its actions?
27:50 Russia's animousity towards NATO
29:50 What is enough for Russia?
35:10 Is Russia prepared to fight NATO?
38:00 Chat check
39:37 Are NATO forces ready to fight Russia?
44:10 What happens is Russia uses nuclear weapons?
47:20 NATO's strategy to counter Russia
54:34 NATO and conscription
57:30 Chances of a deescalation between NATO and Russia
59:20 NATO's role in Indo-Pacific
1:05:35 NATO security guarantees, Article 5
1:07:40 How is NATO dealing with China?
1:13:30 Is there a Russia and China alliance?
1:15:30 Dealing with China: the EU's job, not NATO's?
1:17:50 Poll result and wrap
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Russia is already at war with NATO in many domains. NATO however is still complacent and failing to react to this fact.
NATO vs libiya 😂
As an half American and half European I advise you to create European Union Defense Forces separately from NATO even if you remain in NATO!
Look up CSDP (and PESCO). Not so much an EU army as deep cooperation. NATO works well as a framework even if the US were to drop out. Common procurement, coordinated production, and common R&D.
An European Army "per si" its not possible under the current situation. The EU is not a Confederacy and hardly countrys would agree to put their Armed Forces under direct command of other countrys... Europe is a cultural, social and political pot of friendly and antagonic relations. Elections being a key factor to that melting pot. Right and Left Partys will swing in to power every 4, 5, 8, 12 years.
@@vascoapolonio2309
This is why they do practice with eachother, in “drills “.
@@jeffking4176 drills are the best way to have power projection in the borders with russia. But are mainly Brigades, not Armies or Regiments. And the numbers are in the order of less then 10000. Its not easy to asserte by this drills any sucess in a open conflit with russia
The last part of the conversation really went over the top, NATO into Asia? Are you crazy or on something 😂😂
what is the problem?
It is totally reasonable if you think of NATO as an extention of US imperial ambitions
@@golmgolm Akin to any country, some merely are more effective than others. If you are advocating balkanization than that is fine if it includes super powers like Russia and China as well
NATO with US and NATO without US is a different ball game.
Trump will not leave nato. It will be the downfall of America
With this kind of policies and media we are goose stepping into a big conflict.
The only party doing goose stepping here is Russia. The world has been down the road of appeasing genocidal dictators before, it got us the bloodiest war in human history. Appeasement does not work with the likes of Putin and Russia, the only thing that keeps them in check is power. It was what kept them in check during the Cold War and that's what will keep them in check now. We tried rapprochement, we tried integration, cooperation, investment, trade. All Russia did with it is rebuild to start another war.
We're F'd...
1:00:00 Factually incorrect, Canada is not European and is a member of NATO. Georgia is located in Asia and has been promised by NATO to be admitted in the future.
There was a time when Putin asked to join NATO. 😂
And they declined
Terry Schulz mentioned that the Baltic countries have been under Russian/Soviet control once. That is not correct as they were part of the Russian empire for various length of time and acheived independence after WW1. Then these countries came under Soviet control during WW2 and only gained their independence again after the collapse of the Soviet Union.
They aredy under Russia Empire for 200 year. And under swiden under 300 year. Even the majority of the nobility were German.
The Baltic countries should be proud Elevated to Sapiens by ussr
It would seem the answer to the thumbnail question is completely up to Russia. Russia is the one who struggles with getting along nicely with others.
It is the America expanding to the east
America disregard Russia objection
The west got what they want
So why ussr and Russia can't join NATO. But dictatorships like Türkiye can
@@kittywalker2944 actually the situation now is very like the situation in Napoleon war
When Russia was stand alone Against The Napoleon
Yes, eventually.
When ? No one knows exactly, but it will surely come.
Just an opinion, reading all these news of wars/ tensions.
Lets not wait.
The final countdown😂
Who is Suicidal ?! EU, OR RUSSIA OR NATO ?? OR ALL ?
Russia. Just Russia. EU/NATO are being defensive, not trying to start something. It is not 'suicidal' to prepare for an incoming threat.
EU and NATO
@@hypnokitten6450 ok, supporting a hot war/starting a trade war is a new defensive
@@golmgolm First off yea, supporting a defensive war of a country on your border between you and an aggressive neighbor is, in fact, a defensive. Not 'new', its history tried-and-true. Especially if you promised that country that if they disarmed their nuclear arsenal you'd protect them.
An 'offensive' war is when you send you troops into that country you promised to protect and attempt to invade them with your military while bombing their cancer hospitals and maternity wards, kidnapping their children, and putting bullets in the back of the head of their elderly while r**ing their women (and children). Out of all the actors in this conflict, remind me again which one is forcing a war?
And a 'trade war' isn't a 'war', it is just economy. And Russia was never subject to a 'trade war'. The way you know this is that the EU willingly developed a dependency on Russian gas (put its security at risk because it felt safe being friends with Russia), because most of Russia's infrastructure was built up by the EU/US (they felt secured building up Russia's economy, we know this because that's why everything in Russia is falling apart now without that support), and because Russia doesn't 'make' anything to trade that the EU/US really care to trade for. Russia has gas/oil (natural resources) and crops (natural resources). Nothing else. For there to be a 'trade war' (like with China), Russia would have to be able to somehow even step into the ring. But nothing is 'made in Russia' that anyone cares about. Hel, most of the things Russia 'makes' for its own use are 'made in China'.
The only thing that happened to Russia 'trade wise' is that it got sanctioned for horrific war crimes and for continuing to commit war crimes against a country that the west had a vested interest in protecting. Which should have happened after its atrocities in all the southern-hemisphere countries, but politicians be greedy yo, and they liked that sweet sweet Russian oil, until it all got to be too much.
Oh come on get someone with balls into this discussion 😂😂😂
Simply put, your discussions will not change the ground situation or the political discourse. Just that you are leaving a meeting room and speaking to the cameras.
However, you stopped using the Russian version and instead tried a more Western version.
Nothing good came from the debate hearings.
Its called Democracy where by people are freely able to discuss there point of view and as such we in the west do so whether you agree or not. This is healthy.
What Putin wants is every classroom in India to only have History lessons of Peter The Great and forget about your own history. This is the Deal Narendra Modi just made with his meeting in Moscow.
Simply put, your UA-cam comment will not change the ground situation or the political discourse.
@@mattgordon9179 democracy is not something special
2000 years ago the greek
Already know the shortcoming of democracy
In Ukraine they select a person
Who would not compromise with the Russia
The result is the destruction of Ukraine
@@mattgordon9179 every race has their own value
Russia is not Western European
@@mattgordon9179if the west is fond of democracy where is the Russian pov here??
I need to confess that I fall in love when I saw Mr Jade McGlynn😍😍😍
This will not be fought with an army
Jade you are smart, lovely and talented. I value your analysis. Please use a proper microphone, not an ambient mic so we never miss a word you speak.
She's about 5yrs old, and already has written 2 books about Russia , without ever been to Russia or interviewed prominent historians in Russia....
She mumbles too and trips over her own words. Very difficult to understand at times.
Admiral Rob Bauer says: "If they attack us. We're not seeking any conflict."
Meanwhile French, British and American missiles are already attacking Russian soil, operated by technicians from those countries. So in summary, we're not seeking any war, we're just attacking them, and as long as they don't attack us back, there will be no war.
Source?
@@fr3sht1lld3ff the beginning of the video
NATO is already fighting Russian
Thats not fair. Weapons Industry are a powerful lobby and Proxy Wars are as old as the human race. The same thing can be said about the european micro-processors used by russia in their weapons systems against Ukraine
Iranian, North Korean missiles are being used aganst Ukraine, that doesn't mean those countries are at war with Ukraine.
"operated by technicians" Evidence?
Jade McGlynn is really outstanding. Thank You DW for having her on again!!!
She's just regurgitating the same talking points as anyone else: NATO peaceful, Putin bad/mad. She does not present Russia as a rational actor.
very good insight from both guests and well put questioning , Thanks very much. Slava Ukraine
The western world was all too eager to their swords to plowshares, even when historical evidence and unchanged human nature.
Geez, this woman was mumbling and stumbling over her own words.
When did war between NATO and Russia become a survivable option?
Explain that to Putin's fanatics, they don't seem to get the concept and keep pushing for war.
It will be a limited proxy war or we all die.
seems like a conventional war can exist despite nukes as we see in ukraine. Every red line crossed didnt lead to nukes
@@sanisidrocrbs
@@sanisidrocrThe war in Ukraine isn't between two nuclear armed nations though. NATO vs Russia is a whole other monster.
Russia knows only strength and also whether or not they have out played you in the chess game! That’s why not reacting but acting forces them to change plans!
The Russians are supreme chess players, they know how to play the long game, shrewdly mixing attack with defence. You cannot play at their level.
32 countries keep barking and whining while ukraine keep advancing towards poland 🤗
@@johnadam2885lltake your meds son
@@richardlesperance8259 the western Power only know gunboat diplomacy
Very good. Thanks!
When can we expect the episode about the war in Gaza?
Never because there's no risk of nuclear war
@@jacobrandall4891never because they are not white 😂😂
@Dslfd Israel has nukes
@@jacobrandall4891 so what ?
I see constant regular episodes about Gaza, how many more do you want?
yes.
Doesnt matter how well the Russian war machine is equipped, if the people who are suppose to handle those war machine are not on the same page as Putin, then that war machine is futile.
We are on the same page 100%. We know our existential condition. If anyone attacks us(NATO will attack us, it's inevitable at this point) we will make sure they won't return. So was the fate of all our enemies and will be till the end of time.
@@KolyaUrtz According many news outlets many thousands of Russian soldiers rebels at the war in Ukraine. So they are not on the same page as the Kremlin.
@@KolyaUrtzlol is that why so many fled Russia to avoid being drafted, or are being threatened with prison for speaking out against the war that isn't even allowed to be called a war under threat of jail?😂
@@jeremytine Most returned. I'd review the data. People are free to come and go in Russia, it isn't a concentration camp like Ukraine. I do agree I think Russia and Ukraine jailing people for political views is wrong, and both should return to free media as should Europe I should note. I was aghast they banned Russian media. I may not like Russian or Chinese media but banning it is Orwellian.
@@jeremytine oh poor nafo bot are you talking about the ukrainians that fled that wont come back to defend " their land " while the others are trying to run away or get kidnaped by zelensky's bandera regime
Ukraine war just shows the weakness of Russia and NATO: Russia is not that scary and powerful and NATO is not ready to confront Russia if 1 of the NATO country is attacked (not including the USA)
Кружки у DW, конечно, красивые, но главное такую не уронить. У меня точно такая же с Саратовом.
I think nato may expand more but have to drop the moving of any kind of weapons to the new members until they were attached unnecessary
if it is up to you... yes...
as marinetti said, "war the only hygene of the world"
I always thought NATO stood for keeping the peace through successful treaty.
But here we are!
I would like to hear from the Ukrainian separatists. They are the only group who do not have a personal voice or presence anywhere here.
What is NATO's attitude to them?
Ukrainian seperatists? You mean Russian agents trying to split off Ukrainian territory?
They should just go to Russia.
I’m watching from Canada. In my view Europe should change its provocative behavior towards Russia. In addition Europe should ease pressure on Canada to raise its military budget.
I would like to see us leave NATO. We can have a strong defense pact with the usa, who will never let an enemy secure territory on their border, and don't need to be dragged into any foreign wars.
@@dillonhillier You should also stop with your ridiculous claims in the arctic, just give it all to Russia and stop poking the bear like that ;p.
Canada, Europe, Central America, South America and Pacific allies must cease blaming USA for all their problems and integrate into an Alliance. Talk time is over.
Wtf are you talking about? Europe qas buddy buddy with Russia for the past 20 years. Europe got in return were sabateurs invading European parliament and a war
Russia invaded Ukraine, Putin has pretty much stated he plans to rebuild the russian empire (invading the rest of the soviet block nations as soon as he can), has been pushing the border of north-european countries (like literally picking up and moving the fences and then installing checkpoints), and is threatening to use nukes. 'European provocative behavior'? Are you serious? Keep in mind btw that Russia was invited by Europe to sit on the security council as a gesture of good will (which Russia then used to block just about all of European security) and EU/US have spent billions building up post-soviet Russia's infrastructure and economy (why its collapsing now that the EU/US have withdrawn over this war, because Russia has no capability to build or maintain the level of society they had achieved with EU/US support)
Please stop clicking that ball pen.
Need to have to stay away from this to make peace
EU also don't think Russia will invade Ukraine. Only because of NATO arrogance
Russia has said clearly (Peskov's words) that Russian borders are there, where west puts them. So there are no such thing as enough for Russia
West doesn't determine Russian borders. Russia determine Russian borders. There is not such thing as enough for NATO.
Cannot understand jade
The west vs the rest of the world
A war with NATO would have a very bad outcome for Putin. His joke army could not even take Kiev.
We are the power
Putin just want to scare Ukraine to submit to his peace talks guarantees and already have it in his hands... and then along came a clown with a message from big brother to stop the talks because they want the war to continue to strategically defeat Russia... the result is what you see 😂
@@glennfortes9639 None of it really matters as Trump will cut off all support for Ukraine after January 20. Heck, Trump will probably send weapons to Putin!
@@glennfortes9639 omg, this cope again😄😄😄
Do you even understand what you wrote? Do you have any idea what will happen if a real war with Russia starts? By the way, I am not Russian and not from Russia.
Why cuba is still paying the price from the action it took decades ago??? And Ukraine gonna pay the price for same reason😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢
No one cares about Cuba.
First they will take Manhattan than they will take Berlin.
Also one part of Bulgaria that one where Bulgarian nerd living.😂😂😂😂😂
No criminal that would be west and Ukrainian
I would say number one
For my opinion NATO is supplying fire, at the same time,they say they are not in war who is fooling now😢
Russia hasn't dared to shoot at NATO soil yet. So no, NATO is not at war with Russia.
I feel bad for the brown brother stuck in between all of this. I hope he wakes up and chooses to move to more intellectual citizens clea. Bless you my bearded brown brother
The first guest seems know what Putin wants. Could be a good mouth piece.
Bla bla bla…..
You are seeking conflict
And you are going to get a vicious one indeed
The guest is an educated Tommy Lahren. The world needs more of this.
1:09:10 forgetting india
Or all the rest of the world
Yes ,we have to wait for : good weather ,American election ,French election ,Ukraine fall ,....someone to build defense industry ,someone to give as trained army ....
🤘🤘🤘🤘🤘👈
By whatever margins Russia is superior to Ukraine, economically and militarily (without western supplies), NATO is superior to Russia, only by 10x.
6x the population
18x the economy
3x man strength (current military)
Technologically & production capacity (war economy), Russia is no match.
They should choose their gender first.🤦♂️🤦♀️
the meatcube making swamp level jokes for his fascist warlord boss.
@@DacianRider Still confused?😆
@@ashutoshrao9193 about vatnik svbhvmans ? never. you need to go.
Spoiler Alert. It's not Putin who's pushing for WW3.
Mmmmh... he started the war in Ukraine in 2014 after his 2013 interference in ukrainian politic, then escalated it in early 2022 after sending an ultimatum to NATO at the end of 2021 and he is the one refusing any peace proposal that isn't ukrainian surrender, even as his country's means of war are showing their limits.
Its... not the army that invaded its neighbors, after signing a peace treaty promising to defend them if they took down their nuclear shield? The army that's even now, while losing its main war, creating pretexts for invading more of the former soviet block nations? Its not the country constantly threatening to launch its nukes if its victims defend themselves too much? That's not the country pushing for WW3? Damn... I need a copy of your cliff notes, I'm so curious if they were created by chat-gpt or the kremlin... Unless you're talking China I suppose, they're kinda ramping up for this military expansion too...
@lepetitroquet9410 Definitely not the case.
Oh right, I can hit you but you cant hit me mentality 😂😂😂
The insanity of wanting a war with Russia is mind boggling. Anyone who advocates war and pleads for it, has never been to war
Given how poorly the war in Ukraine has been going for Russia, I'm not sure how Russia would expect to benefit from actually attacking any Nato countries, especially in any kind of large-scale attack.
That being said, being prepared, and having well prepared military defenses, such as air defense systems, and ground forces who would be able to make any attack significantly more difficult, seems like a good idea. Russia is still more likely to try taking territory in some areas if they think that it would be relatively easy to take and hold it, especially if they think that they could somehow use it as some sort of bargaining leverage. They may also try to use the threat of attacking as some kind of bargaining leverage, though I don't think that would be a very good idea, or work very well.
Without Russian resources and market, Europe will implode on its own 😅
@@glennfortes9639 Yes/No. Europe can change the order of buyers and sellers by paying more. Globally, however, the world economy implodes and hundreds of million starve to death. As Goldman Sachs noted oil would be over $350 bbl and at that point we would have an economic meltdown. Even the US would have massive issues, as inflation would skyrocket and US would be forced to raise interest rates significantly to bring it down which would lead to most of the US budget being used to cover interest payments. Europe and all nations are interconnected now. Russian resources have to keep flowing, it is like big banks. Too big to fail.
the kidnaped ukrainian men agree with you nafo bot 🤗
@@glennfortes9639 Russian market? You are right, Europe desperately needs Matryoshka (nested) dolls.
Российский рынок? Вы правы, Европа отчаянно нуждается в "матрешках".
Europe is a joke. Russia held back 50 countries in Ukraine😏
Russia may be spending 7% of their GDP on military equipment, but their GDP itself is now largely made up of military production. They are a war economy. I'm not sure this 7% computes.
Are you right in the head? Do you know how GDP is calculated? Obviously not. The amount of GDP military production accounts for in 7%. How is that "largely"? Oil, gas, mining, retail/car manufacturing, real estate etc.
I've read everything on this and it is indeed 7-8%. They are using SPIRI numbers but other sources confirm this as well. To be honest I think the war economy stuff was a bit of a cope by lazy journalists. As they are spending 7-8% and only running a 2% deficit (1% in 2024), which in my view is not Keynesian war economy given the US right now has a deficit over 7%. Korean war we spent 15% of GDP and in WWII were spending over 40%. Those were war economies. Increased military spending is a factor but it doesn't fully explain why Russia has had a strong economy. Other economists think its because the oligarchs have to reinvest their profits as they can't move their money to tax havens like the UK or Cyprus. High commodity prices are obviously a factor as well. It's a large economy, $2T in nominal terms but $5.5T to $6.4T economy in output terms (PPP).
at least they are growing and thriving as a country is your country growing? chances are 0
NATO cannot defeat …bcoz India Russia china Iran North Korea axis formation …u can never fight against them
India doesn't have a military alliance with Russia. India is for itself
- India : clearly neutral, looks out for India alone, stopped buying russian weapons and started buying western ones. Long standing border conflicts and overall tenuous relationship with China.
- China : clearly the great power of the 21rst century, looks out for China alone, sees Russia and North Korea as puppet under China's rule. Enjoys the cheap oil and gas from their preferred gas station, but highly unlikely to die for Moscow if there is nothing for China to gain (and there is nothing for them to gain, as what they want is in the Pacific), especially given the history between the two.
- Iran and North Korea : totally, those are smaller nations which have all to gain in being into a strong alliance with Russia and are both currently "in the same boat" as Russia.
So even without entering the debate of whether NATO forces would be able to take on such a world war and manage to come out on top, the very premise is absurd ;p.
Putin wants Narendra Modi to change history lessons in India to only Russian Made up history and forget about Indian history.
None of those countries worth living in lol
@@dallysinghson5569 who cares about that people are loving and if u fight u cannot defeat them
I'm confused. I thought NATO was a group that helps each other like a treaty like we all help each other out. I don't know what NATO is I guess I'll Google it.
Ask why Germany still use russias energy? Make isotope analysis from your gas. Or oil.
Up to Putin
The only thing inevitable is repetition of 1917-1924 in Russia.
Tik Tok.
Return of Communism to Ukraine, Russia, Baltics and most of Central Asia? Seriously doubt Soviet Union returns, I question your theory mate.
Would be pretty problematic and dangerous. Arguably better than WW3, but still not a good scenario at all. Can only hope we won't have to see it happen.
You know nothing. Prerevolutionary Russia in 1917 was extremely poor. Russia had a party that could lead the revolution,the Bolsheviks. Nothing of the kind in modern Russia. All the liberals who potentially could start somethin are dead or abroad. You obviously don't know Russia and don't understand the current situation.
This guest is pro-Russia.
China is main beneficiary
Indonesia 🇮🇩♥️ Russia 🇷🇺
well keep expanding NaTo and then acting like ukraine is part of nato we get closer and closer
NATO is not expanding. Countries WANT TO JOIN them for security purposes. All the Central and Eastern Europe know very well how is like to be under Russian occupation or Russian political influence, so they all APPLIED to join NATO. Only the people that live in the area will understand.
Ukrane is not part of nato they where not allowed to join becouse of Russia and then russia invaded anyway
We arent Russia, we dont conquer nations to force them into NATO, Russia forces members to be part of the CIS. NATO is voluntary, here an idea.... Russia stops invading and fermenting disorder in other countries and Russia dosent end up killing hundreds of thousands or more of its own sons and brothers. We were happy to trade with Russia, Putin took that to mean he could steal anything he wanted.... Guess he was wrong... again.
@@definitlynotbenlente7671 NATO in 2008 already invited Ukraine and Georgia, they were not able to join because Russia went to war with Georgia but Ukraine was not observant enough to learn from Georgia's experience 😂
Russia now has doubled border with NATO thanks to Finland.
1 vs. 30+ lololllssssss
What about India and how the role they are playing. Is NATO going to take any action with India.
who cares about India?
I do because we have alliances and if India isn’t on our side then why do we give them a pass. They are getting cheap energy while the EU took the hit by going away from Russian energy but India benefits
@@thegreatdane3627 😂😂😂😂 UNICEF does with the toilet aids.
@@thegreatdane3627 some dogs keep barking but seldom bite
@@hummingbird6427 are you UNICEF? Or jobless or homeless?
War should be stopped it is now favour of any countries.but some countries do not want stop it due to some personal objectives.but both countries should realise that war is not good for both countries because both countries are solders are dying & civilian too.
What makes NATO win Russia? The experience in Iraq and Afghan?
superior numbers. The EU alone has 1,4 million active military personnel, and an economy 10x larger than russia's.
And that is without the US, UK, Canada, Turkey or Norway...
The withdrawal from Afghanistan was started when Trump made a deal with the Taliban, and left it for Biden. The fiasco could have been more organized, but negotiating with terrorists should never have happened in the first place.
@@thegreatdane3627 Compare Afghanistan and USA they are no match in economy and population, US still lost, and EU is totally divided , when war really comes they will start stabbing each other in the back …Europeans have not changed since the Middle Ages…….The truth is America led Nato is needed to keep the Europeans to not just kill each other.
there is a big difference with conquering and occupying . Russia cant do either with their small neighbor
@@thegreatdane3627nothing going to last forever
Enemies until Putin's gone 😔💔
Enemies until trump is back
@@felipe-vibor possible Trump could make a difference ❓ because nothing is working right now ❓🤔
@@Critic-qn3hg trump will definitely bring about sobriety in the world. And Putin is going nowhere
Rump will plunge the world in WW3
No, how old Putin? He can't live forever.
80% of Russians now support Putin.
you can't wait him out. he's 71. he can easily stay in office for at least 15 more years.. meaning, more wars.
NATO is a banana army😅😅😅
at least they've made a banana republic out of Ukraine
I live in hawaii. So there's a lot of foreign businesses that is happening. Particularly from china. I think we should just focus on stopping All foreign businesses that are connected with China or russia. Not Japan cuz I love Japan. And Japan poses no threat to america. Because they don't have an army. They're brilliant and wonderful in every way. Anyway we should just focus on all the Chinese businesses and foreign businesses if you shut those down and just give them to the local Hawaiian people americans. Then it would help our economy also it would hurt them to make them think what they're trying to do towards america. Just stop doing business and not giving them land on American soil. That would totally work by the way.. and then also if you take out their satellite. It'll stop them from trying to mess with us cyber attacks and all that jazz. You can make a weapon that looks like a meteorite that oops accidentally hit their satellite there it goes oopsy. Little take some time to repair.
isn't Hawaii islands occupied territory, u a land grabber?
Containment and patience, only safe way now. Think North Korea but maybe more active.
🆓🇮🇳🇷🇺🇸🇩☝️✊
Trump is saying he wants to pull the USA out of NATO... ❤ MAGA 2024!!!
He doesn't want Europe to freeride. Pivot to Asia was already happening under Obama and most troops will be pulled out of Europe. Trump and his team want no more expansion of NATO and no more freeriders is all. He won't pull the US out of NATO as long as Europe steps up. I don't like Trump but in this he is right.
Even if he did it wouldn't change the war, only make it last longer.
He can try as hard as he likes. But his wrinkled orange khek is stuck in there man.
didnt trump want eu members to spend more with NATO?
You gotta get comfortable with living rough. Erase all the worst parts of being civilized, but keep the best.😎
NATO is already at war against Russia but Russia is not at war against NATO which means Russians are getting killed with NATO weapons but NATO still keeps a distance which it cannot be hurted. Once this balance changes, it will be unreturnable and it will really hurt.
Thanks to NATO for pushing to Russia's doorstep.
An organisation looking for a purpose and promptly created one.
you got it backwards. Russia's neighbors keep applying for NATO membership, because of russia's aggressive behavior. If russia was a peaceful neighbor, then no one would be interested in membership.
It is Russia that is invading and trying to annex its neighbours. That's why Russia's neighbours, like Sweden and Finland, wanted to join NATO.
Had Russia behaved like a normal, peaceful country and not like a violent drunk, these countries wouldn't have joined NATO. Now we're happy we did, and Ukraine was unlucky as they didn't get the chance.
"I am confident that true sovereignty of Ukraine is possible only in partnership with Russia. For we are one people" - Putin's essay explaining his desire to rebuild the Russian Empire the way it was under Czar Peter the Great (whom he looks up to). This had zero to do with NATO, this is just about Putin wanting a big statue next to Peter.
@@jaxvoice718it is the western Power attack small country in the middle east at will
The west never care about human rights and life
@@thegreatdane3627small country really have no independent
The west control by America
America want to have a proxy war with Russia
That is what we got
NATO: Expands eastward.
Russia: Please don't!
NATO: It's our policy, can't help it. :-)
Russia: But you're risking war!
NATO: We're a DEFENSIVE alliance with DEFENSIVE missiles and DEFENSIVE military bases.
Russia: But we don't want your missiles on our border. Get out please!
NATO: We didn't force anyone to join, they wanted to join themselves! Now we'll expand more.
Russia: You've crossed the line! I'm done with talking!
NATO: YOU SEE?! You're so bad! This is why we have been surrounding you for the past 25 years!
Nato was just following Germany example in ww 2
n expanding its power to the east
The result of will not be a nice one
Imagine if Russia told China they couldnt put weapons in Xinjiang or Inner Mongolia.
We would hear the Chinese laughter from across the globe.
Everyone is "surrounding you" when you are in 11 time zones, Einstein.
@@420JackG Talking about NATO, not about everyone
@@reubenmcmurray4377 Russia has good relations with China, but NATO is the enemy
Everyone forgets that NATO was created because of a security threat from the Soviet Union after WW2.
The Soviet Union helped Germany in WW2.
Nato was created as a tool to control europe for the benefit of the Imperial American empire
terest nato got used to atacking countries that can't hit back , this time tho we see these 32 nato countries " usa and its vasals " keep barking and whining while ukraine keep advancing towards poland cause terest nato only understands the language of strength 🤗
NATO aggression has made Russia think that NATO intends to destroy it eventually anyway. So if NATO is willing to go to such extremes over Ukraine, so is Russia. They had to draw the line somewhere.
And russian aggression has made it clear to all NATO members that Russia intends to destroy them eventually anyway, so if Russia is willing to go to such extremes over Ukraine, so must be NATO. They had to draw the line somewhere.
Except the russian aggression is made with tanks and bomb where the "NATO aggression" has been made of treaties and people begging to get into the alliance. Not that it matters, just pointing out that if what you say is true, then nuclear war it will be. Let's hope Putin is a bit smarter about this whole affair he started.
Read again what you just posted. Bunch of bs
Russia has war with Ukraine, and the whole europe started war against them. It is very strange
Visit Russia, meet its people, they want to live like most people do. No Putin no more oligarcas and Russia will have peace and turn to Europe, were it belongs.
Let’s hope for that future. I thinks it is the one we all wish for
I dont think EU can win the war.
In a nuclear war there are no winners.
Of course we will. But we have been at peace since the Cold War, so it will take us years to match and bypass Russia in war production. In 2025 we'll be equal, every year to follow we'll be stronger and Russia weaker.
US is all-in.
No, it's not inevitable but keep repeating all the same mistakes as you did in 1939 and it might be
❤❤❤ .......... face the facts....if NATO could not find ore create a perceived enemy.... there was no need for it to exist.....and lots of heroes would become unemployed ❤❤❤
A lot of Russian bots here in comment section. Not surprised.
Russia has been living from selling oil and gas to Europe. From that it got rich in the last 20 years. Since the wold is moving slowly to a green transition, that financial income from oil and gas will drop. The green transition is only possible, if there is enough raw earth/Lithium. Both of it is available in Ukraine. Besides that, Ukraine has very fertile soil for agriculture. It supplies Europe, Africa and China with food. The agricultural land of Russia is very poor. At the Soviet time Ukraine supplied food for the whole of Russia. It was called the food basket of Russia. Russia's demography is strongly in decline. A Russian women gives only 1,2 children in state of a 2,1 to keep the population at an equal level. Now to ransack Ukraine and steal their children is just what their imperialistic mind is telling them to do. Russian leadership never cared about any human values. Not for their own people and surly not for the west, which they consider as bad and uncultured. I am born and grow up in Austria, but I lived and worked for a period of time in Ukraine and in Russia.
Zelensky didn't try to prevent the conflict through diplomacy because he lacks honor and integrity.
In 2014 there was a coup. Soon after, there was a massacre in Odessa (dozens of people were burned alive). Ethnic Russians living in Ukraine were treated as subhuman. Their language and culture was being oppressed. A civil war broke out due to the rise in ethnic tensions. For 8 years the Ukrainian military was indiscriminately shelling civilians living in Donbas.
If Zelensky honored the Minsk agreement and pledged neutrality, none of this would have happened. The 8 year civil war would have ended and Donbas would have remained part of Ukraine. War is the ultimate failure of diplomacy.
Zelensky admitted that Ukraine had no intention to honor the Minsk agreements.
Who didn't want peace? Who advised against the 2022 peace talks in April? Hint: someone visited Zelensky in Kiev at that time.
Russia's national security was compromised once NATO began to expand eastwards. Russia clearly stated that Ukraine joining NATO was a red line (November 2021) and unfortunately this concern was never taken seriously. The Russians openly stated: if nothing changes, we will be forced to act in order to defend our national security. Enhancing the national security of one country at the expense of another is unacceptable. The Russians have legitimate security concerns.
20th September, 2021. Ukraine launched military drills with US and NATO.
NATO is not a defensive alliance. NATO illegally bombed Yugoslavia (a direct violation of the U.N. Charter).
We should never forget what they did to Libya, Afghanistan, Iraq etc.
Who blew up the pipeline causing an environmental disaster?
Zelensky banned all opposition and arrested a leading priest.
Zelensky tried to invoke article 5 under false pretenses. Remember the incident in Poland.
Ethnic Russians living in Ukraine were treated as subhuman. Their language and culture was being oppressed.
Poroshenko said, “Our children will go to schools and kindergartens-theirs will hide in the basements”.
Russians will never forget the 2014 Odessa massacre. The whole world needs to know about it.
Why was Denis Kireev eliminated? He was a member of Ukraine's negotiating team during the peace negotiations. He wanted to help his country.
Ukraine has a hit list. They target artists, journalists and ordinary citizens. Hundreds of children are on this list. 13 year old Faina Savenkova was placed on this list.
Pink Floyd's Roger Waters is on this list. Jimmy Dore (American stand-up comedian, podcaster) and Aaron Maté (Canadian writer and journalist) are on this list.
There is evidence that Ukrainian troops have been indiscriminately shelling civilians in Donbas (they used petal mines and targeted areas where there was no military presence).
The azov troops trapped in the azovstal steelworks in Mariupol used human shields. They refused to allow civilians to leave despite of humanitarian corridors being present.
Russia held a proposed cease fire in order for the civilians to leave, but azov would not allow the civilians to leave.
Ukraine has committed many acts of terrorism (car bombs and other forms of assassination). Darya Dugina (journalist) R.I.P.
The first terrorist attack on the Kerch bridge killed the truck driver and the individuals in the adjacent car (innocent civilian victims).
The second terrorist attack on the Kerch bridge killed two parents and severely injured their young daughter.
I have done a lot of research and it took me a long time to write this comment. I have stated a lot of facts and I have given my honest opinion.
I have provided a brief summary of events that took place. In order to explain this whole situation in great detail, a book would need to be written.
Hopefully someone will write an UNBIASED book, stating facts and allowing the readers to form their own judgments. Everything I said can be fact checked and verified...
Zelensky was elected in 2019 yet you make it to be guilty of everything that happened beforehand -> You clearly have no idea what you're talking about ;p
Congratulations for managing to put all the Kremlin disinformation into one single post.
Go ahead and call me racist, but this guy host is annoying, he seems dismissive of European/American security, but it adamant about arguing for SE Asia & defends gross Indian etc behavior. Some people haven’t sacrificed anything for western security/prosperity, and will likely never step up to defend the country when need comes about, or will they serve dual loyalties…
Oh yeah be prepared have a plan a b c d e f g. It's good to be prepared. For any scenario. I think that it would be great if you made like a video game to prepare for any scenario. And people could just sit down and make a whole bunch of strategic planning.
I feel bad for the brown brother stuck in between all of this. I hope he wakes up and chooses to move to more intellectual citizens clea. Bless you my bearded brown brother