Battle of Talas, 751 AD ⚔️ Part 1/2 ⚔️ معركة نهر طلاس
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📢 Narrated by David McCallion
🎼 Music:
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📝 Sources:
Bartold, Vasily (1928). Turkestan Down to the Mongol Invasion (Trans. T. Minorsky & C.E. Bosworth)
Chen, Sanping (2012). Multicultural China in the Early Middle Ages
Golden, Peter B. (1990). “The Kharakhanids and early Islam” in The Cambridge
History of Early Inner Asia, vol. 1 (ed. Denis Sinor)
Hoberman, Barry (Sept/Oct. 1982). “The Battle of Talas” in Aramco World, vol. 33 no. 5
Ibn al-Athir, Ali (ca. 1231) The Complete History
Sima, Guang (1084). Zizhi Tongjian.
Soucek, Svak (2000). A History of Inner Asia
Starr, S. Frederick (2004). Xinjiang: China’s Muslim Borderland
#china #abbasid #caliphate
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You guys should add battle cry jokes like the ones from your early videos.
ياليت تترجم للعربية.. وشكرا
I love how u guys changed the ummayyed green to a abbasid black. U guys even added that little detail
Abdullah Bawazir I dont understand a word. However, I am sure íts a very precious comment.
Nice video keep up the good videos.
Abbasid - tang battle. Can't wait
abbasids won
@J or they got outsmarted. At last no one will know the truth but the people of that era.
@J do you know how British East India company won over India ? Or Spanish in Mexico ?
@J Turkic peoples run away form Abu Muslim to Tang Dynasty but they join him in battle of Talas 🤣🤣🤣 they got destroyed by Abu Muslim than by Tang Dynasty but finally join Abu Muslim in battle of Talas
Can we just appreciate the details the maps have
Thank you. My newer map design is even more detailed, but I still didn't complete the entire Asia, so I had to use the older map. You can check out the newer design in my Battle of Pressburg video, as well as Hannibal 9 and 10, Three Kings and Chaeronea.
Never clicked so fast. Talas deserves way more attention than it gets
Indeed it does. Thank you for watching.
the arab-chinese interactions deserve more attention in general.
The Tours of the east imo only reversed. The Tang had control of much of transoxiana and ferghana etc. as well as all the Tarim Basin. The were rapidly mowing down everything
Never thought of arab armies fighting chinese ones for some reasons. Always thought they were too far away but this is interesting
Brah arab empire specially the umayyad and abbasid reach China and India to South of France
@my name is my name they were friends specially after the persians lost their lands to arabs
@محمد رائد
“Verily, we were a disgraceful people and Allah honored us with Islam. If we seek honor from anything besides that with which Allah honored us, Allah will disgrace us.”
'Umar Ibn al-Khattāb (RA)
[al-Mustadrak 214]
Not Arab army muslim army.. And the leader abu muslim was iranian.
After the "shrinking of the Roman Empire, came the "silk road", followed by the Chinese desire to conquer !!!
As an Arab I know about this battle but I still amazed by this episode. One of the best channels that explains ancient history in an interesting way
You own my Like 👍
Thank you sir.
The best channel for describing battles accurately and in an understandable way .. Thank you 👍🏼👍🏼
Glad you think so! Thank you very much for watching.
You have two very great narrators, HM! You should be proud
This guy can narrate an omlette tutorial and still make it sound like the world depends on the sunny side being up
Haha, yeah I love David's delivery.
Comment va tu cher compatriote
Omelette don’t have sunny sides…
Until science could made Sunnyside omelette evenly salted, no thanks I'll eat an even mixed omelette.
Tho for figure of speech, that's prolly could be made better not bad. Still for pronunciation, it's better to ask native like in Wiktionary examples pronunciation
Hey I’m from Talas. We had remnants of bones of the Chinese princess who died there.
Are you Kyrgyz?
@@spikeadam6653
Nah he's from Denver
@@spikeadam6653 yes I'm Kyrgyz.
@@RexGalilae I wish I were 😂
Ар-Туран Ар-Намыс
No you don’t! A)it’s super expensive to live there B)most people there are snobbish and stuck-up C)too many stoners
I also love that transition between Middle Eastern to Chinese music at 4:08. It’s little things like that that make this video epic.
Thank you sir. Glad you noticed :)
i really love how you put time to write things in our language that shows how much you care about the little details, i will always be your Fan to the end
Thank you so much! My Arabic sucks, but I try to make it as correct as possible.
The details you guys cover are incredible, feels like I’m there at the battle 👍
Hey Dennis. Thank you very much. This one was fun to work on, really complex and a slightly controversial topic due to conflicting sources. Love every bit of this project.
The way you speak English made me feel that i really live the time of that battel .Great performance greetings from Syria🇸🇾
When you dare mess with the Belt and Road Initiative...
Hahahaha. That made me chuckle!
thanks to Belt and Road Initiative I am still a christian living in Indian subcontinent
this
You mean thanks to the British East India Company. No? History is wonderful!
@@noone7692 Are you from Pakistan?
Possibly one of the most underrated battles in history, ancient China vs the Abbasid Caliphate? Let's go baby! This is possibly the battle that caused paper to spread throughout the Arab world all the way to Europe and the battle that started the Turks' adoption of Islam which leads centuries later to the Seljuks and the Ottomans
Yes! I’ve been waiting for you to cover this battle. It’s one of my personal favorites in terms of historical, diplomatic & cultural significance.
Indeed. The battle is often overlooked because it wasn't one of those battles that have an immediate impact, but rather it had "perfect timing" that had consequences for centuries to come. As historians often say: "in history, timing is everything!"
There's nothing to lose for the Tang Dynasty and the Abbasid😅
Woow! We really tough in war , proud to be Muslim Arab Egyptian 🇪🇬❤️
Don't be proud of yourself. Six times we had conflicts with the Tang Dynasty, we lost five times and won one time. You blew it. The time we won, the other side had no influence on both sides. The funny thing is that you sent people to our Tang Dynasty to sue for peace.
We had the upper hand at the beginning of the battle, but if it hadn't been for the rebels, we wouldn't have known who would have lost.
I think it’s absolutely insane how a band of desert nomadic Peoples went from being the hinterlands between Roman and Persian civilization to creating a civilization of their own, exceeding their predecessors and dominating the known world. History is crazy. Arabs and Mongols are like my favorite societies to study.
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@مسلم عربي I love Yemen too! Ramadan Mubarak ❤️
👋🏼❤️👑
Nomads are tuff people my friend yet people always underestimated them
Arabs united by islam allowed them to make a great civilization
The after effects of this battle were so profound and shaped the region for centuries
One of the most important but unknown battles in history
Again, the depth is what mostly make your videos very interesting and entertaining, the umayyad-chinese conflict was a REALLY interesting thing to see. Great as usual!
That field deserves more attention.
This is a conflict between the Abbasid Dynasty and the Tang Dynasty. What do you care about the Umayyad Dynasty?
The Umayyad Dynasty and the Tang Dynasty were defeated in five conflicts.😅
Well done as usual the only ones who put up great things on youtube are HistoryMarche and Epic History Tv and even you guys collabrated with them in their flagship series of Napoleonic wars.
Thanks for feeding us for free 👏👏
Thank you sir for watching.
Thanks for this well documented video. Pls do the battle of Nahavand which broke the back of the sassanian empire. It is rarely mentioned here on youtube but it was of great significance.
Thanks again for this one
I'll definitely cover the war against Sassanians. There are some awesome battles there.
It good to see someone shed the lights on this battle especially nowadays and the more good it's from HistoryMarche.
Yey, finally a video about China.
I'm from Talas. It's always interesting to know what happened in places where you live centuries ago. Thanks for the video!
Glad you enjoyed it!
great content. greetings as muslim turk
Thank you sir. I'll be doing the Battle of Nicopolis 1396 in July
@@HistoryMarche great buddy! personally I like early ottoman history- before 1453- more.
@@baris90inan Oh, I'm actually preparing a small mini series about early Ottoman battles, from the beylik period. But it's a slow process as I got a ton of other projects as well. But eventually it will be completed.
@@HistoryMarche sounds great to me. take it slow. no need to rush.
The most important overlooked battle in history
مبدع وننتظر المزيد من الفيديوهات👍🏼
I will do the Battle of Badr in May and the Battle of Uhud in June
Never knew I wanted a Mount&Blade mod about this time
M&B is never a bad idea
@@HistoryMarche Have you played Bannerpage?.. It's like a downgraded but bug-free Bannerlord based on Warband.
Khergit vs Sarranid
I play total war mods
One of the turning points in the history of my country.
Thank you for your videos, always informative and enjoyable to watch!
What’s ur country
@@thehypexpro5525 Kazakhstan
For our country, this kind of thing can be ignored.
I like how you’re able to bring multiple viewers from all over the world
nice. tribute to your arab and Chinese fans amazing vid and interesting obscure topic.
واصلوا يا هيستوري مارتش🇸🇦
بس عندهم مشكله لو يطلق اسم المسلمين بدلًا من العرب افضل
@@Fake_q8account أنا ولا أهو؟
hashim bokhamseen هو
@@hashimbokhamseen7877 Abu Muslim was Iranian who won this battle
@@yaqubleis6311 thanks.
Love your videos HistoryMarche. I so wish you could continue the Rashidun victories! Your ”Battle of Yarmouk“ series was spectacular. I really hope you cover the Arabs vs Sassanid war series. You r the best on UA-cam.
Thank you very much Alvira. I'll certainly do more Arabic topics. I'm very keen on doing more battles with Khalid, especially some of his victories against the Sassanians. Arguably, he has some tactical gems that are better than Yarmouk, like Walaja for instance. Thank you very much for watching.
HistoryMarche I promise you, I will be the first to watch! xD
@@HistoryMarche Khalid was an excellent general.
Last time I was this early, China still had a monopoly on paper.
lol!
Not in paper but also in other products.
The music at the start is amazing
This Video in Term of quality is the best of the Channel so far. Good job this Channel is so underatted but Can you post videos on regular Time? Every weak ?
Thank you very much. I'm working hard on posting as often as possible. But in order to give you guys a bit more quality, these projects are quite time consuming.
@@HistoryMarche quality > quantity
@@HistoryMarche yes your channel for me is the best in covering a battle from all sides .
i wish all the best for you guys.
and now for the actual battle in part 2!
This battle is so underrated
Dayum you always cover the most awesome battles! And releasing the 2 parts at the same time on top of tha? You my good sir are truly mirific
Thank you very much. And thanks for watching.
Amazing video! as always HM
You're the best!
it's interesting. ~ Thank for sharing.👍🙋♂️
Thanks for visiting
Wow.New video.That is like a gift for me.Thank you.
Thank you for watching
Who also like and comment just to support the chanel
Well I also likes the video
Thank you. Now I don't have to come up with something witty and/or intelligent to say.
One of the best channels that I came across!
2 videos in 1 day?! What a glorious day.
The battel that change history
Fargana, The Birthplace Of Babur, Founder Of Mughal Empire
@Abbe M Ferghana name as valley for 3 cities.
Andijon, Namangan, Farg’ona (ferghana in uzbek)
As a whole valley surrounded by mountains that valley still carries a name Ferghana valley
in uzbek “Farg’ona vodiy”
Whacking this keeps me grounded
It's very interesting that a Korean General thousands of miles away from home, which was conquered by Tang dynasty not long ago while him also being one of its royal family, fought FOR Tang, against Muslims, dealing affairs with nomadic Turkish tribes. Very unique and really a global event taken place here. So many things are intertwined in this even, we could actually spend days talking about what led these generals to this dramatic battle ground.
his kingdom is long gone in the year 668AD, more than half million people moved to Tang after the fall of the kingdom and this is year 751, Gao must be the son or grandson of those immigrants.
Best history channel
Thank you very much.
Back when the Muslim world was at the zenith of it's power and could challenge the Tang Chinese who were the most powerful empire at the time.
tang chinese was very weak and was considered merely a regional power. what are you talking about? the abbasid caliphate was literally the only super power in that time. so it was the the tang dynasty who had the guts to challenge the abbasid
@@zizouace4890 abbasid was very weak empire what are u talking about no body heard of hairy Arab abbasid
@Umar Jaweriya far east people don't care about what happens in middle east
@@zizouace4890 you're kidding right, at that time there was no other empire as strong as the Tang, they had a professional army in the hundreds of thousands and the population was in the millions. the population and government was very liberal and diverse. Get out of here with that eurocentric view
the abbasids won
The voice of narrator is absolutely perfect! Takes you back to some serious battlefield ❤👍💪
Back then, China Imperial Army's top commander, Kao Sun Ji was from the ruined Kingdom Kokuryo that eliminated by the Tang Imperial Army's massive attack. And Kokuryo was a part of the Three Kingdoms of the Korea peninsula, so, his military achievements were underestimated by many Chines high-officials of the China dynasty. Most of them didn't like his done and his fame in the Tang empire, so he couldn't have become a true Chinese general at the time. They often told other Chinese officials that he is one of the East Barbarians' descendants, so Kao can't be the true honored China commander even though he made a great job in central Asia. However, many foreign military commanders have been serviced the army of the Tang empire to get more colony for the China empire when Kao Sun Ji fought for China's dynasty. But most modern Chinese people might not have known that fact since they haven't enough level of historical knowledge in the first place.
Gao Xianzhi's ability at that time was so high, and his deployment of troops to attack Tash directly led to the loss of Tang Dynasty interests in this area. These countries have approached the Tang Dynasty, and his attacks have pushed allies towards the enemy's side
@@darfri
Man, I don't understand what are you talking about. Back then, Kao just obeyed the order from the Chinese dynasty, so he did what he had to do as a top commander of the Chinese Imperial Army. That was not his fault; the order was from the Emperor of the Tang dynasty.
He wasn't a King of a nation you know, just a military commander appointed by the Chinese dynasty. Thus, even though the Tang empire lost those areas in Central Asia, the Emperor didn't punish him because the traitor Turkish tribe joined out of the blue the side of the invader Islamic army from the Kingdom of the Middle East.
He didn't commit any fault, so the Chinese Emperor knew the fact that he was innocent, so he was appointed a top governor of a local province in China after the combat at the time as compensation for his awesome military achievements. He tried his best to keep his faithfulness to the Emperor. You need more detailed educational courses to be a genuine historian.
高丽棒子差不多得了史书都得看汉字在这儿说我们
It was during the reign of Li Shimin, Emperor Taizong of the Tang Dynasty, when Gao Xianzhi was not famous.😅
Thank you very much. I hope to see the battles of Yusef bin Tashfin in unifying Spain in your channel
His voice is smooth like a glass
hi from Egypt i love your work
Awesome! Thank you!
@@HistoryMarche your work is adjective and correct i hope you maintain adjective its hard i know sorry for my bad en
I think you make the better battle videos than kings and generals. But less in number
That's very kind of you, thank you. K&G is one of my favorite channels.
Thank you for this video from France
Glad you enjoyed it. Cheers!
7:10 rarely challenged before
Persion empire and bryzantine empire: are we joke to you
That is mainly by rashidun , not by umayyads
Yes they are jokes
@@presidentjiang6762 they are more tough than your chinese civilizations the only reason you got saved beacuse you were very far away from muslim lands
@@Real_Gigachaddi
U dp is good
Thank you for this good work ❤️👍
Never knew Pakistan was also in umumayyad caliphate
Wow, definitely and era and area I know very little about. Thank you for shedding light on this for us.
Thanks for visiting the channel :)
I am a Kazakh (Talas river is in Kazakhstan) and I am so grateful to the early Arab conquerors. Hadn’t they come to our land, I would have been a chinese now.
Мумкин
You didn’t have it much better though.
are u muslim
And non Muslim pagan
You would not existed at all, the Chinese are genociders when it comes to non- han people
This channel is wonderful
Like before watching the video, you deserve this ,I am from Saudi Arabia.
You rock! Cheers! :)
China？
😅Then I tell you, you won only one of the six wars with our Tang Dynasty, and you said you deserved it. After the victory, you sent an emissary to our Tang Dynasty to sue for peace. I feel so shameless.
The commentary is extraordinary, flow of words goes ups and down accordingly, well done
Hi guys!!!I live in Talas near Talas river.Thank you to that warriors who saved our land from China
😅Thank God, we didn't lose control of you after the Battle of Rus with the Abbasids. Stop it.
I HOPE HistoryMarche will also create a documentary about the cultures, battles in east asia
There were third player, in that battle, it’s local Kyrgyz tribes, which were fighting with China for years, and suddenly Abbasids shows up, so they make a difficult decision, to support the Abbasids
Do you know why? It's because the Chinese were trying to wipe out the Turkic culture and make the local tribes assimilate to Han Chinese culture. The local Turkic tribes saw an opportunity to remove the Tang influence in their lands by aiding the Arabs.
It wasn’t Kyrgyz tribes, it was Karluks, ancestors of Uzbeks and Uyghurs
Very good job i loved your channel 👍🏻
Thank you so much 👍
You know what's funny, I prayed at Asr that HistoryMarche make a video on the Abbasids Chaliphate. Allah took notice I guess 😂😂😅
Thank you sir :) Glad you enjoyed the video.
Keep doing what you're doing!!!! Love the commentary!!
Appreciate it!
I really appreciate that you use Arabic words.
It's my pleasure
Thanks for putting Al Qatif on the map!
Thank you for the visit :)
Is it possible for you to make a series on the conquest of the Sassanid empire by the Arabs?
Parsya the only time arabs were ever successful in history and it’s been a downfall ever since 😂😂😂
@@OccupyMars2035 someone is triggered
it has been a downfall since 636 A.D.?? are you sure about that? because history says otherwise.
@@m7mo0o not triggered, arabs have been succesful since the birth of islam all the way to the golden ages of islam around 1200 A.D. thanks to Persians, Egyptians and Spaniards conquest of influence but it's been a downfall ever sinceafter that! what history have you been reading?
@@OccupyMars2035 Maybe he is a eddison fanboy
@@OccupyMars2035 Till the 1800's*
The Arabs continued to dominate under the Ottoman flag.
I just love this channel !!!!!!
If I could I would give this channel million likes.
Thank you sir
@@HistoryMarche We are the ones who have to thank you !
Thank you!
Me waiting for Cannae be like:
Cause i cant wait
Väinö Kaivos same
Perfect as always. Very keen attention to details, great graphics and a dramatic start. Yes, this is a historyMarche upload.
Glad you like it! Thanks for visiting the channel.
HURRAY ! HISTORY MARCHE POSTED TODAY !
A grateful fan. If you can overlay briefly with a modern map we can see the modern day countries that were involved in Important history. Plus they would appreciate the publicity! Keep up the excellent work.
omg I'm early and there's already 1 dislike, they're probably people who failed their history class
Well their always morons in a classroom 😁😂
your name tho lol
@@asomebody3448
Yes, I'm hoping people are paying attention to my name. It's very very important.
GoogleSearch: da*cing i*raelis if you’re Muslim or Arab I hope you know the nazis spreading these conspiracies about Jewish people hate you too
Great video, well done HistoryMarche
Many thanks!
This battle changed the history of the world in two respects, the first is the conversion of the Turks to Islam and bringing them from Central Asia to the Middle East and determining Anatolia, which led to the emergence of the Ottoman Empire and then the Turkish state - the second is the paper that the Arabs brought with them and it was like the Arabs’ gift to the world that led to the emergence of the Industrial Revolution and from Then the modern world we live in today
The only thing that has changed is that your Arab countries have acquired the art of papermaking.
@@pointrainbow3091 This is a battle that made Central Asia Muslims, so you have to admit that it is a historical battle that changed the world, and after it, China did not return to Central Asia after that.This means that China has already been defeated militarily.
the best history Channel 💕
Thank you sir.
"China!" - Donald Trump
Words of wisdom... "Let it be" haha
Make china great again
AIIUserNamesInvalid And recently he tweeted twice: CHINA! CHINA! I repeat CHINA!
Not china.. Chyna!
i just started to watch the muslim conquest playlist, and it only get more interesting video after video. dude, you are the best.
Remember when tibet was still independent
You guys, Kings and Generals, Baz Battles, and a couple of other channels I really have to give respect for. Thanks for covering the Abbasids and Tang, few people pay attention to that time period.
king and generals lost much respect when they went full-propaganda mode for Ugayn. I did a video proving that the NATO logo has a swastika in it.
*Arabs managed to win the battle and Turks begin to adopt islam*
Europe nations : meh what possible this battle could have an effect on europe
3 centuries later :
Turks took over Anatolia
@@Sirvalian no they can't
@@Sirvalian lol if it can happen... Why they are sleeping from last so many years....
India also
@@Sirvalian Anything is probable in lala land. Talk substantial. Or quantify probability
Turks didn't become Muslim before 912 - 940. Slaves maybe as soldiers. Turks never accept a religion with force. Before Islam Turks were monoteist.
WOW thanks for your job !!!!
Grettings from Rzeczpospolita !
Thank you very much. After this batch of videos that my patrons chose, I should be hopefully doing a topic involving Poland.
@@HistoryMarche definitely ! ;D we have a lot of cool battles like Chocim , Kłuszyn , Beresteczko , Grunwald , Cedynia etc. !
I’m big fan😘
Thank you very much
Wow! Thank you for this video. Very interesting. Great to get insight on a moment of history where the pinnacle of two incredible powers of the time collide.
I'm from Pakistan and my ancestors were arabs
Are you arab
@@Yugioh698 by ethnicity yes but i don't speak Arabic although my parents do.
@Darkseid I agree with you (I'm a Pakistani)
Fake Syed, probably the great grandson of a Hindu.
@@Daradajee lmao Hindu. Yeah u Indians would literally claim everything to be yours. The literally made a show on the bbc im which the Indians claim everybody to be Indians. You ought to check it out 🖕
Love this channel!!!!
Cheers :)
This single battle changed the world
Is it because of taking the paper to europe
@@strife9865 and the turks becoming Muslims
Withoum this battle the ottomans wouldn't exist and the new world wouldn't be discovered until at least the 18 century
Not only paper, but also sericulture
Thank you for this great work
Glad you enjoyed it!
Just thinking, I think that's the difference when you look at things from a religious lens, but wouldn't be understood by the others (free thinkers or others)... @11.40 I think, you said "sensing an opportunity to diminish Tang influence". There, one might see the opportunity for materialistic, power hungry, greed, to rule the world; whilst the religious would see the opportunity to bring justice to those who were treacherously killed.
Magnificent narration 🥃
I'm waiting for the day you guys hit us with "And as a fan of our channel, you should definitely check out our favorite game: RAID: SHADOW LEGENDS... "