John never rigged them, he always gave them a chance even though sometimes they're multilated and VERY injured. But the other Jigsaws always rigged them.
While he never rigged them in the same way that Amanda and Hoffman did (straight up executions), he did construct traps that were unable to be won by all players. For example, there is _no_ way for Adam, Gordon, Gordon's family and Zepp to all make it out of the Bathroom Trap alive while following the rules (Adam survives -> Gordon fails and his family dies, Gordon wins -> Adam dies, Zepp doesn't kill anyone -> Zepp dies).
@@simonO712 Yeah he seemed to really love the " well, *technically* you could escape so it's okay!" as an argument. Or like with the bathroom trap "make sure it's not you". The same movie had that inflammable jelly trap and like, did Jigsaw really think the average person would get out of that alive?
The saw movies originally were clever traps that still gave people chances to live and in the recent saw there is just a bunch of traps that just straight up just kill the person. I especially hate the angel trap. Allison died in a brutal way just because she was to good at being a detective???? What the heck. I thought these traps were for bad people but she died cause she is good at her job, seriously come on. PS. I know this one was in a early saw film being only saw 3.
I do like how Kramer's pupils end up being just quirky serial killers. It shows that putting a person into a mentally scarring and self mutilating trap doesn't make them all right in the head afterwards. Most people experiencing torture become anxious, depressed and self-isolated. Some get PTSD and/or get major depression. It solidifies that Kramer isn't a good guy (as some people who believe the character that he never technically killed anyone, and is actually the good guy). Even in the best case scenario, his pupils just want revenge and any reason to murder anyone they feel like.
I dont get why they waste so much time and resources building these elaborate traps when how the victim solves it doesnt even matter since theyre gonna die anyways.
@@firelordeliteast6750 Doctor Lawrence. The one who helped him with the medical part and exactly followed instructions to a T. The one who gets rid of Hoffmann for offing Crammer's wife and breaking the rules. And to an extent the one at the end who learned to do traps with him except for the final kill with the laser collar..
@@Duffyboi that is true, doesn't change the fact that they were rigged to be lost, and not a trap where there really was a chance for survival - if at an unthinkable cost - I appreciate the creativity in both types.
Most of the traps in Saw VI were designed so that, no matter what, someone died, too. And unlike Amanda's cellmate (who, by word of god, was her pusher) many of those people were completely innocent. And while, yeah, Hoffman was the one to set those traps up and put them in motion, we know that, at the very least, William's game was entirely John's design, since John didn't even bother to hide his in the videos for that one. John was perfectly content to have a janitor and either a file clerk or a secretary die for the grave sin of working for the wrong person... just to teach their employer a lesson. At least the six on the carousel and the lawyer were ostensibly as sleazy as William was. I really like Saw VI, but it having John use what are essentially innocent bystanders as pawns in someone else's game never sat right with me.
The thing that really didn't make any sense in any of sequels was where on earth did a druggie and a cop get the engineering expertise to make such elaborate traps?
We're supposed to believe that John taught them everything they needed to know?? Even though that still wouldn't make any sense because Hoffman built the Pendulum Trap on his own?? Before he even knew who Jigsaw was?? My personal headcanon is that Hoffman worked part-time as a mechanic or something before he finished police academy lol.
@@cloversgood_luck9290 one person building all that without prior engineering experience is still pretty ridiculous and would take weeks just to make one elaborate trap. Not to mention Hoffman had to also continue his job as a cop. The traps were believable in the original Saw, but the sequels just left the realm of logic
@@crimsonshadow1649 well If you want to be super Logical About it💀💀,the first three movies don't make sense either since John is a civil engineer not a mechanical engineer. civil Engineers deal with architectural stability and design, construction and maintenance of things like roads bridges and pipelines while Mechanical engineers create Mechanical Systems like those seen in the movies
@@cloversgood_luck9290 well I did say every sequel after the first movie didn't make sense coz the traps were too elaborate. It just makes less sense that the people behind it have no engineering experience. Doesn't make the movie any less fun to watch, but you know, a bad cop still has a day job and little time to tinker around, and Amanda just wanted people dead, she doesn't need to go through all that trouble just to kill people. But you know, the movies have to happen coz they like MONEY. 🤣
Love the videos! The Spiral one also has the tongue trap that I thought was never meant to be beatable. Like, unless there's a hospital right above the subway station or something, the detective is going to bleed out anyway, even if he does manage to rip off his tongue and crawl aside in time. Quite a few traps in the Saw movies that were beatable, but the people in it had to wound themselves so badly they'd probably die from those injuries later anyway. So how beatable were they, really?
@@stuff2399 I've watched that video, I believe! At least the ones on the earlier movies. It's cool to get all these videos with their perspectives on the traps.
Ivan's bedroom trap was rigged in a different way. He was told he was given 1 minute, but the timer started as he was hearing the directions. After playing for 45 seconds, he only had 15 left after he knew how it worked to make his choice. The trap was still survivable, but it was rigged to disadvantage him.
There was another one which people tend to forget and that is Amanda's trial from Saw III. Hoffman wanted to be the only survivor, so he switched the letter that Amanda was supposed to receive with something he wrote himself. This was to make her kill Lynn and fail John's test.
He blackmailed her cuz he knew Amanda’s dirty secret so he told Amanda to kill the doctor. He knew Jeff (the husband was coming in) and see his wife die would mean he would kill amanda. And if the doctor is dead then John is dead too. So he’s the only one alive. Hoffman planned all of this
What about the trap amanda was put in? She had to kill someone to survive. It's not fair to the cellmate who was drugged and could only live if Amanda failed. John made that one.
I think one of the reasons why Stram didnt enter the coffin, were the two tubes on the coffin. Like the tubes in the drowning head box. I bet he was scared to get drowned again
Chained in classroom, Angel wings are the 2 worst rigged traps. Especially the wings. The look of wtf defeat on her face after she gets the locks open after getting the key from the acid; and it doesn’t release….
ok i have a theory: the acid that was melting the key probably melted the part of the key that DOES unlock her and it got melted a bit and couldn't unlock her. it's just a theory.
Depens how Marcus is lifted back up. If the jigaw copy activates it himself yeah. If it's on a timer or based on some sort of motion sensor then marcus is doomed to begin with. Also the target might not activate unless something hit's it hard enough so throwing might not work
No he should have just waited for the cops to come in after he shot pig man or whatever his name is because he could have his father say he didn't kill anyone or whatever
I love all your Saw videos! But think you missed a trap, the bathroom trap from the first movie. Sure it’s fully possible for Lawrence but the rigged part comes from Adam perspective. As we see in the beginning of the movie once he pulls the plug for he wouldn’t drown, the key goes straight down even though there are many multiple simple precautions they could have put in place to make sure the trap was possible. And all his tape says was to do was ‘Survive’. And even when he was able to do this he was still left for dead, this trap should be an example of “At least you didn’t fluff up as bad as John did.”
Fun fact, Costas Mandalor who played Mark Hoffman is a totally different breed of actor. He wanted real glass in the glass coffin, but of course the director and producers said no, and in saw 4 ,Costas wanted to be tied really Good and extra tight .
I think I know why Amanda rigged their games Cause it was their idea of mercy John wanted to teach people to value life But in Amanda’s eyes Death is a mercy compared to living with the trauma of surviving a Saw trap That trauma sent them down this awful path Just my two cents
But both of them are still stupid af for putting actually ok people in the traps. Before watching the saw movies, I fully expected the victims to be like murderers, abusers, pedophiles, whatever. But saw one is literally just a busy dad and a weirdo photographer? What?
Just a slight correction, the ring could be removed in the classroom trap, because it had a section cut out as it shows when Hoffman holds the ring so he had to rotate it to remove it. Although yes, it is inescapable due to the door being welded shut.
I just figured that it was damaged due to the explosion. Also could it have been cut in order to remove the body? Haven’t seen the movie myself, so wasn’t sure if the body was already removed or not
I’ve heard theories that Hoffman was meant to survive his bear trap test The test was to see if he could forgive Jill and not try to seek vengeance nor enforce his twisted justice That’s what Hoffman does, enforce unethical “justice”, and John wanted to test that behavior out of him That’s why Lawrence was meant to watch over Jill, So if he failed and killed Jill in revenge, Hoffman would be punished for failing his test
Seeing as the entire game of Saw 3 was meant for Amanda I wouldn’t be surprised if that’s what John had planned for Hoffman as he had never been tested.
SPOILERS FOR SPIRAL Technically all the traps were rigged in Spiral considering firstly this is a revenge tale and all the guy wanted was revenge not for anyone to survive, and also the time given isn't enough, and or the thing the people have to do is impossible to survive and or it's straight up rigged to the point where they can't escape
Notice a pattern though? These traps aren't set up by John himself. With the RBT 2.0, I'm fully convinced that John would have wanted it to be possible to escape, but it's implied that Jill was angry with Hoffman for setting up Amanda and John's deaths, so she simply left him to die.
I think it's a missed opportunity for the series to not make Strahm the main character. Have him survive more traps and give the audience a consistent character to stick with, and give Hoffman more headaches. Let's just say Hoffman did succeed in convincing the police that Strahm was the killer. Strahm survived but now nobody believes him and he became this vigilante foiling Hoffman's traps and uncovering the truth as a vigilante character. But nope each movie try to one up the twist endings and we got a mess of a franchise. Killing characters for the sake of shock value until they have no main character so they had to pull Dr Gordon out of their asses into this whole thing.
Exactly my toughts. Saw 1-3 were great in their own. But with Strahm in Saw 4 they added something I never even noticed I missed in the first three movies, until they added it: Someone who really felt like he could be dangerous for Jigsaw/Amanda/ Hoffman. The whole dynamic between Hoffmann and Strahm brought a whole other tension to the movies in my opinion, at least in the two Strahm was involved. Would have loved to see the story in the way you described it. Strahm was a great character, and Scott Patterson a brilliant actor.
Yeah I think with the Saw VI traps it's a little different because William is told right away that he can't save everyone in the trap, he has to choose. While this video, HitStart talks about traps where the person in it is told they can (all) escape if they just follow the rules. But then they find out, when it's too late, they were only given the illusion of being able to escape. Super unfair, but in a different way than the Saw VI ones are.
Bro the tracheotomy part was so clever, i would of never thought to do that, nor would i have the balls to stab myself in the throat either lol, but it just shows how well thought out the traps are in saw, even though this was meant to be impossible.
Funny thing is, tracheotomy with a pen is hard for even a medical staff to do. If you stab a little bit too softly it doesnt puncture your throat, if you stab a little too hard it will puncture your throat all the way through. If the pen/object is not sharp enough, it will crush your trachea instead of creating an airway. Of course in a movie we can say that he had a good combination of knowledge and luck, but don't go stabbing people in the throat thinking you're helping :P
I doubt it would be possible to do either of them. Her killer was standing at quite a far distance for the acid to reach her, and if she tried to pour it onto the apparatus she would have to spill it on herself too, does not matter if she pours it on the arm chains or the rib part
See I think the funniest thing about the angel trap isn't the fact that it is unbeatable but the fact that Allison's hand immediately starts burning in the acid. There were a few videos on NileRed's channel in which he shows that acid doesn't burn your hand that fast unless it is a very particular type of acid, in which case the key would have been nuked in probably like 5 seconds or at least reduced to an unusable state, in which case there'd be no point putting your hand in the glass and you would just kinda have to accept your fate.
"We should never come from anger...or vengeance. You taught me that," Yeah, okay, John. Does Cecil ring a bell? Also Logan took out Halloran for vengeance against his wife. But Logan wasn't working under Jigsaw that long before being sent to war so maybe he didn't really know John's mantra before he left. This is meant to be Pre-Bathroom events so... It's all convoluted! 😛
my theory is that logan came around after cecil's trap, which would make sense because the group trap logan was in was much better developed and executed than cecil's. this would be after jill and john divorce as well, but before amanda's trap before the bathroom trap from saw 1. assuming logan doesn't know amanda or hoffman, the timeline checks out because then logan left to serve.
@@pasteldaydream8336 Hell, Amanda and Hoffman didn't even know Dr. Gordon was a secret apprentice. Logan helped make the reverse bear trap therefore before John got Amanda, Logan was off to Fallujah where he was taken by Taliban
Since the beginning there were traps involving two people where someone had to choose who must die. Semantically it may not be murder if you are forcing someone else to make the killing blow, using your weapons, but it is not better than murder.
Before watching: you better not include any of Amanda's traps. Those don't count. After watching: 2 Amanda traps. Good job on showing restraint and not padding out the video, cos like, ALL of Amanda's traps were meant to be 100% unbeatable
@@holssvsp You missed the point. I'm praising him for not putting too many of Amanda's traps. Because he could technically just put all of them in the video to pad the runtime and drop ads in.
I feel like with the glass box trap, if Strahm did actually get into the box, whether or not Hoffman lived, all the evidence still pointed to Strahm as the jigsaw accomplice. Furthermore, if Hoffman did in fact die in that trap, it would be impossible to prove that Strahm isn’t the accomplice, as all the evidence points to him. Plus, his one suspect was just killed where he last was, which is very suspicious to the people who already suspect him.
I’d say the hot wax trap from Spiral is also rigged. The other traps are arguably escapable (Besides the last trap) but the hot wax one, you’re screwed one way or another imo
I thought you were gunna talk about the wax trap in spiral how tf is someone supposed to paralyze themselves with a blade they can't see with precision accuracy while hot wax is poured on your face like wtf is that bs?
Tbf, every trap in Spiral was meant to be rigged. It was a Jigsaw wannabe taking revenge on the police department that wronged him. They were never meant to live afterwards
I think bathroom trap is also rigged..well, not that rigged as Angel Trap or Classroom Trap, but it was impossible for Adam to escape. His key went to the drain, his hecksaw broke and even thought he won the game, he still was locked in bathroom
At 6:02 in this video, you see Hoffman pick up a ring with a piece cut out of it. My guess is that this is the ring which was in the guy's mouth. Sure, it would still be difficult to pull out, but you could pull it through your teeth and unhook it, rather than having to rip out your entire jaw, so I don't think this part of the trap was necessarily impossible.
@@colinharrigan2925 I know it was still rigged, but this means you could still potentially survive as you're not necessarily chained in place and could take cover.
@@colinharrigan2925 I mean you could always hide behind a desk or chair. Or you could sit in the opposite corner of the room since thats furthest away from the bomb
Problem with your arguement for the glass coffin trap is that it's all speculative what would have happened had he simply listened to orders. Especially since it wasn't the first time he disobeyed orders to just drop it. It's highly possible that he would have been killed. It's also just as likely that he would have been seen as listening to jigsaw, and thus been more willing to be brought into the "cult" The entire setup OF the trap (each of them against the guy infact) was based on the idea that he would purposefully go against whatever jigsaw told him to do, even if it would have saved him to do so. This is also why people say he should've just gotten into the box. because everything points to the idea that jigsaw would be a 'man of his word' in the situation provided, even if hoffman is basically not 'jigsaw'.
I mean marcus wasnt surviving anyway, did you see how much of his blood was drained. I mean him being alive after loosing what looks like 2/3 of his blood makes no sense
I think if Strahm got into the coffin it would have closed without the coffin lowering into the ground, still crushing him. I have no doubt that Hoffman could have set up to where it would only lower for him somehow. Maybe he has a device on him that the lowering mechanism senses.
That' also what I believe. I really can't imagine Hoffman would have let Strahm survive - and if, he would never let him leave. Strahm knew to much, and would have never give into Hofmans idea of justice. The only thing I can imagine is that he would have used Strahm as puppet, forcing him to do whatever needs to be done to divert suspicion from Hofman. It's really a shame in my opinion. Strahm got punished for doing his Job 🙁
In Amanda's defense, she rigged her traps because Mark was threatening to tell John that she was the reason for his unborn son's death. I know that John knew this already, but Amanda didn't and was scared of him finding out. That's not to say she didn't rig a few things, John did too, like in SAW 2, it was Amanda's job to ensure that Matt's son survived the house and got out. Otherwise, John couldn't have promised they would find him in a 'safe' place. It's because of that, I feel Mark is the only one who rigged things.
Amanda rigged her games because she felt that people don’t change, Hoffman only blackmailed her so she would kill Lynn. The Classroom and Angel traps were set up before the blackmail happened.
@@thomasraines1396 But Allison Kerry (the Angel Trap victim) was innocent! What behaviour did she have to "change"?! I think Amanda rigged the Angel Trap for her because she was jealous of the idea of her becoming another one of John's apprentices should she survive... Just my two cents
I think Logan was waiting for the Detective to admit to the specific crime he explained. But he's done a lot wrong so who blames him for not remembering?
The first trap you talk about with the laser colar, the other guy had already lost the game, by tricking logan and cheating and pressing logan's button to force him to confess first, that is why he had no chance of winning anymore. We don't know what would have happened if he had not tricked logan.
Not exactly, the only trap that appears to have been rigged by Jigsaw was The Rack, where there is a key, but no lock, so there was not way out. The others always gave the person in the trap a chance, but although he wasn't afraid of collateral. The other traps were rigged by his successors.
I wish there was a Saw movie where the victims don’t act like fucking selfish idiots. Ik it’s meant to play into their unscrupulous flaws and that they’re bad people but seeing if they can beat the games together would make “horror” movies more satisfying than generic stupidity and repetitive deaths
In Spiral when he saved his dad he still chose to take down the killer so he tried to have both options. Not just saving his dad so you can argue that it was just a fail safe incase so really it was just zeke trying to have both options
All the traps in saw 3 are rigged because none of the victims had any way of surviving, they just had to rely on Jeff sparing them. They weren't given a chance. How Jigsaw never realized that is beyond me
Another great video, Most fans believe every trap in spiral is rigged, it would be really cool if you could break down every trap in the movie with your opinion 🔥👏
The Reverse Beartrap easily gets first place in my favourite list of Saw traps. Simple, yet extremely effective for its purpose. Some of the other traps were just unnecessarily gory & brutal. Sure, all the traps are brutal af, but some were just too much lol 😂🤷. Also, don't forget that theoretically, no trap meant to be completely unbeatable. Most of them were just modified to the extent that they became unbeatable. Side note, the OG Reverse Beartrap is imo much more effective than the 2.0 version. Guess it's probably because of the way they're engineered. The OG one is more powerful, just by its mechanism alone. The 2.0 felt like it relied on razor blades, than crude engineering. But that's Just a theory though. A film theory... Aaaaand cut. 😂😂 Nice video! 😄
Honestly the police officers at the end were kinda dumb as well. They totally ignored the fact that all of his limbs were tired by these spike things, like if i would've seen that, i would've known that these things made him look to aim his gun at them. Plus he did raise his gun for more than a second at a bunch of police officers so even if he would want to kill them, he would simply shoot before the police would... So it seemed like the police acted purely out of instinct here.
Here's what bothers me about the ice block trap. I've been thinking about it since I saw the fourth movie. If Hoffman's goal was just too execute Rigg, he did a poor job of it which is why I think Hoffman really was trying to train an ally as Jigsaw. Because if things unraveled the way they were supposed to. Rigg would have come out of this completely unscathed. Hoffman was unarmed in that final scene. This means only two people would have died in that room. Leaving Rigg and Hoffman alive. Which means Rigg was supposed to survive. This is also supported by how disappointed Hoffman looks as he watches Rigg bleed out.
John made some traps harder then others and definitely did the whole well they could have beaten them if they really thought about it argument. But some of these were just straight up kills like these people learned from him but never understood him.
Funfact:the actor of hoffman played in movie 8-bit christmas and when they were shoping hoffman as the dad was alone in one shop and was standing next to jigsaw puppet
I firmly believe that from the way Hoffman was speaking on the tape he was trying to get Strahm to join him and become a Jigsaw killer. The coffin seemed like a twisted version of the trust fall. He wanted Strahm to see he wasn't completely untrustworthy. Also look at Hoffman as the room was crushed, Hoffman turns away in remorse when Strahm is killed. It's directly stated in an interview by the actor that "He had a consciousness at some points". I find the constant repeating of "Do you trust me?" as a covert way of trying to plead with Strahm to give his way of justice a chance otherwise why repeat it so often? You might argue his speech at the end of "Your legacy will become mine" is more of him saying he has a plan for both outcomes, live or die. (This is a cut content related thing so it's not 100 percent valid) Remember the original ending of Saw 5 was that Strahm would have beat Hoffman to death in the glass coffin room, it would have shown Strahm was capable of being a killer for the sake of his own version of justice. Also we saw in the original glass coffin in Saw 4 there's a key inside of it, Hoffman might have removed it but the only purpose a key inside the coffin would serve would be to open the coffin from the inside meaning if Hoffman had doubts about killing him he could still open the coffin if he wanted to.
When you look back and notice all John's assistants has failed him at the end. Even John was willing to give the man that killed his unborn child a chance to live and become better person. His assistants never gave their victims chance to change. He was surrounded by murderers.
That rigged water tank one… I wouldn’t know what’s worse… Stabbing my throat or suffocating. How about just don’t live where John does…? Yeah, that’s probably a better idea…
Johns games always have the chance for them to live as long as they're willing to survive. But once he died, his apprentices went overboard with the traps, leaving them to die no matter what
John is a fair guy which gave chance of his victims to left alive, but Amanda nor Hoofman wouldn't do the same as what John's do which like what the guy said they're just wanted people that are involved to the Jigsaw case and also who suspecting Hoofman itself would be ended by the Hoofman trap, which himself does make zero chance to let the victims left alive though. Anyways i like the explanation of the video!
I might throw in the finger trap in Spiral just because the dude in it spends basicly the entire time doing what he's supposed to, only pausing to scream for like 5 seconds before reactivating it and he still runs out of time and dies... Plus none of the traps in Spiral feel like they were ever meant to be beaten just because each death is kinda necassery to advance the villian's plans
I’m surprised the one with the dude who ran over the dudes kid was in here, let me elaborate. EVEN IF he got the key without dying to the shotgun the dudes limbs would already be twisted to a point where living would be almost impossible for you.
it's funny the deliberately rigged water trap Is actually super beatable. the amount of water is such that it's conceivable that he could just drink some of it. plus like I'd assume the tank is sealed to his neck with some kind of rubber seal. if he hammed the pen in between his neck and the seal it would create a passage for the water to drain through
fun fact! the actor for hoffman requested that the glass in the glass coffin trap be real so his pain would look more genuine on camera. naturally, the film crew and director said no-
Everyone forgets Adam from the first Saw film. There’s NO WAY John didn’t think about the risk of the key going down the drain, and the game would have played out very differently if Adam had the key from the start. Other tests of John have the victim screw themself over by conscious actions, not by unconscious spasms as they slip underwater. It was always intended that Adam was to be shot by Lawrence and die, or some other horrible fate.
I always thought the cop in Jigsaw's real test was pushing the right button to admit what he'd done; and when he pushed Logan's button he failed the test. Similar deal with the water cube, had he followed the directions on the tape he would have survived, he didn't listen, so he failed. I don't think John meant for Hoffman to even be there for that test.
"If you survive my traps, you'll appreciate life. The fact that everyone who survives my traps becomes a murderer is just a wacky coincidence."
Hey, that lady who cut her arm off turned out pretty normal! I think.
Exactly.
@@avacadotoast5571 True. I guess it's just the main characters who survive his traps.
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@@avacadotoast5571 she got handicapped parking at the mall so that’s a bonus!
My problem with the glass coffin trap is that Strahm had so many opportunities to just leave the room before the trap actually started.
Man should have shot himself to avoid more pain
The point was that he was obsessed with finding the Jigsaw killer though. He wouldn't just leave when he's so close.
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Its not like he would have been safe if he left, Hoffman obviously wouldn't let Strahm leave after finding out his identity
I'm pretty sure John never rigged his games, he always gave the players a fair chance, however Amanda and Hoffman were the ones to rig the games
Yep, this exactly
John never rigged them, he always gave them a chance even though sometimes they're multilated and VERY injured. But the other Jigsaws always rigged them.
While he never rigged them in the same way that Amanda and Hoffman did (straight up executions), he did construct traps that were unable to be won by all players. For example, there is _no_ way for Adam, Gordon, Gordon's family and Zepp to all make it out of the Bathroom Trap alive while following the rules (Adam survives -> Gordon fails and his family dies, Gordon wins -> Adam dies, Zepp doesn't kill anyone -> Zepp dies).
@@simonO712 Yeah he seemed to really love the " well, *technically* you could escape so it's okay!" as an argument. Or like with the bathroom trap "make sure it's not you". The same movie had that inflammable jelly trap and like, did Jigsaw really think the average person would get out of that alive?
Beatable? Yeah. Fair? Not at all lol.
The saw movies originally were clever traps that still gave people chances to live and in the recent saw there is just a bunch of traps that just straight up just kill the person. I especially hate the angel trap. Allison died in a brutal way just because she was to good at being a detective???? What the heck. I thought these traps were for bad people but she died cause she is good at her job, seriously come on. PS. I know this one was in a early saw film being only saw 3.
Well tbf none of john kramers apprentices ever followed his ideology that well. I'm sure if john did that trap it would have let her go
@@wsawbi6402 Yeah that's true. I think they should have ended the series after John's death but they just continued making films.
@@wsawbi6402 dr was good tho
@@wsawbi6402 John chose all their targets. Tho hoffman did talk up the task force like their bad people.
Even the first movie wasn't fair like the detectives who died or the dude Amands killed.
I do like how Kramer's pupils end up being just quirky serial killers. It shows that putting a person into a mentally scarring and self mutilating trap doesn't make them all right in the head afterwards. Most people experiencing torture become anxious, depressed and self-isolated. Some get PTSD and/or get major depression. It solidifies that Kramer isn't a good guy (as some people who believe the character that he never technically killed anyone, and is actually the good guy). Even in the best case scenario, his pupils just want revenge and any reason to murder anyone they feel like.
One of his pupils believed him and still follows his teachings
@@fliegerinn9259 which ome
I think John was just an example of how bad philosophy leads to bad results. He even rethought it in a deleted scene
I dont get why they waste so much time and resources building these elaborate traps when how the victim solves it doesnt even matter since theyre gonna die anyways.
@@firelordeliteast6750 Doctor Lawrence. The one who helped him with the medical part and exactly followed instructions to a T. The one who gets rid of Hoffmann for offing Crammer's wife and breaking the rules. And to an extent the one at the end who learned to do traps with him except for the final kill with the laser collar..
Fun fact: the angel trap doesn't kill her immediately. She's still conscious for ~1 minute after getting her ribcage ripped off.
That’s a disturbing fact so she would be in immense pain
@@TheZenithBladeMaster actually, her brain would just shut down from extreme stress and pain signals firing.
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The guy with the question mark on his stomach in SAW 1 is also kind of rigged for his life... most of the traps in Spiral were rigged really
Well thats because they werent made by john but someone who hated cops
@@Duffyboi that is true, doesn't change the fact that they were rigged to be lost, and not a trap where there really was a chance for survival - if at an unthinkable cost - I appreciate the creativity in both types.
@@Duffyboi He was specifically against dirty cops.
All but the Marcus one I do see how they're beatable, will you live afterward, yes and no, but is it possible to beat it yes
Most of the traps in Saw VI were designed so that, no matter what, someone died, too. And unlike Amanda's cellmate (who, by word of god, was her pusher) many of those people were completely innocent. And while, yeah, Hoffman was the one to set those traps up and put them in motion, we know that, at the very least, William's game was entirely John's design, since John didn't even bother to hide his in the videos for that one. John was perfectly content to have a janitor and either a file clerk or a secretary die for the grave sin of working for the wrong person... just to teach their employer a lesson. At least the six on the carousel and the lawyer were ostensibly as sleazy as William was. I really like Saw VI, but it having John use what are essentially innocent bystanders as pawns in someone else's game never sat right with me.
The thing that really didn't make any sense in any of sequels was where on earth did a druggie and a cop get the engineering expertise to make such elaborate traps?
We're supposed to believe that John taught them everything they needed to know?? Even though that still wouldn't make any sense because Hoffman built the Pendulum Trap on his own?? Before he even knew who Jigsaw was?? My personal headcanon is that Hoffman worked part-time as a mechanic or something before he finished police academy lol.
Well Books Exist ya know, Plus they both would've had John's Previous Schematics and His expertise on the matter.
@@cloversgood_luck9290 one person building all that without prior engineering experience is still pretty ridiculous and would take weeks just to make one elaborate trap. Not to mention Hoffman had to also continue his job as a cop. The traps were believable in the original Saw, but the sequels just left the realm of logic
@@crimsonshadow1649 well If you want to be super Logical About it💀💀,the first three movies don't make sense either since John is a civil engineer not a mechanical engineer. civil Engineers deal with architectural stability and design, construction and maintenance of things like roads bridges and pipelines while Mechanical engineers create Mechanical Systems like those seen in the movies
@@cloversgood_luck9290 well I did say every sequel after the first movie didn't make sense coz the traps were too elaborate. It just makes less sense that the people behind it have no engineering experience. Doesn't make the movie any less fun to watch, but you know, a bad cop still has a day job and little time to tinker around, and Amanda just wanted people dead, she doesn't need to go through all that trouble just to kill people.
But you know, the movies have to happen coz they like MONEY. 🤣
I love that the “supposed to lose” rigged games have a higher survival rates than the normal ones.
Thaaaaat's the magic of suspsense
Love the videos!
The Spiral one also has the tongue trap that I thought was never meant to be beatable. Like, unless there's a hospital right above the subway station or something, the detective is going to bleed out anyway, even if he does manage to rip off his tongue and crawl aside in time.
Quite a few traps in the Saw movies that were beatable, but the people in it had to wound themselves so badly they'd probably die from those injuries later anyway. So how beatable were they, really?
The spiral traps were never meant to be beatable, since it wasn't john it was a psycho impostor.
@@Kajanda Yeah, I figured. They could've beaten it by not getting into the trap in the first place.
@@stuff2399 I've watched that video, I believe! At least the ones on the earlier movies. It's cool to get all these videos with their perspectives on the traps.
Ivan's bedroom trap was rigged in a different way. He was told he was given 1 minute, but the timer started as he was hearing the directions. After playing for 45 seconds, he only had 15 left after he knew how it worked to make his choice.
The trap was still survivable, but it was rigged to disadvantage him.
But he deserved it
Its all your fault
@@torch7933 ???
To be honest, upon seeing what Ivan did, not even John would give him much of a chance at life.
Who cares he deserved it
There was another one which people tend to forget and that is Amanda's trial from Saw III. Hoffman wanted to be the only survivor, so he switched the letter that Amanda was supposed to receive with something he wrote himself. This was to make her kill Lynn and fail John's test.
He blackmailed her cuz he knew Amanda’s dirty secret so he told Amanda to kill the doctor. He knew Jeff (the husband was coming in) and see his wife die would mean he would kill amanda. And if the doctor is dead then John is dead too. So he’s the only one alive. Hoffman planned all of this
I forgot what were the contents of the letter and when it is revealed ?
@@Doudoussin amanda was there when john lost his baby
What about the trap amanda was put in? She had to kill someone to survive. It's not fair to the cellmate who was drugged and could only live if Amanda failed. John made that one.
it's unfair, but not technically rigged since it was winnable either way
@@akinista3173 the test itself wasn't unbeatable as it was Amanda's test not his
that guy im sure was going to die anyway? I might have this wrong but wasnt he put on death row or something like that?
It’s a test for a REAL will to live
It was her fiancée wasn't it? Not just a random person.
I think one of the reasons why Stram didnt enter the coffin, were the two tubes on the coffin. Like the tubes in the drowning head box. I bet he was scared to get drowned again
Kinda sad when both detective stram and kerry were killed. they had interesting charecters
I was really rooting for Matt Gibson.
@@EvanSnowWolf which is why it's good that Amanda and Hoffman met their rightful demise.
Chained in classroom, Angel wings are the 2 worst rigged traps.
Especially the wings. The look of wtf defeat on her face after she gets the locks open after getting the key from the acid; and it doesn’t release….
ok i have a theory:
the acid that was melting the key probably melted the part of the key that DOES unlock her and it got melted a bit and couldn't unlock her. it's just a theory.
In the last trap, could Eziquel shoot the murderer and throw something at the target?
Definitely, he should have shot Shenk and thrown the gun at the target
Depens how Marcus is lifted back up. If the jigaw copy activates it himself yeah. If it's on a timer or based on some sort of motion sensor then marcus is doomed to begin with.
Also the target might not activate unless something hit's it hard enough so throwing might not work
@@pachicore Marcus is lifted back up by a tripwire cut by the SWAT team, so yeah he's fucked
No he should have just waited for the cops to come in after he shot pig man or whatever his name is because he could have his father say he didn't kill anyone or whatever
@@gioproductionsm His dad's blood was being actively drained
I love all your Saw videos! But think you missed a trap, the bathroom trap from the first movie. Sure it’s fully possible for Lawrence but the rigged part comes from Adam perspective. As we see in the beginning of the movie once he pulls the plug for he wouldn’t drown, the key goes straight down even though there are many multiple simple precautions they could have put in place to make sure the trap was possible. And all his tape says was to do was ‘Survive’. And even when he was able to do this he was still left for dead, this trap should be an example of “At least you didn’t fluff up as bad as John did.”
Amanda was the one who carelessly tossed the key into the bathtub, and I guess John didn't notice?
@@CrookiNari I mean, he should have checked everything was in place in the trap and make sure everything was fine before putting the trap in motion
@@PaxSnax True. John wasn't always consistent.
@@CrookiNari but it was also mainly Amanda’s fault
@@CrookiNari no she didnt she just putted the key on adam body
Fun fact, Costas Mandalor who played Mark Hoffman is a totally different breed of actor. He wanted real glass in the glass coffin, but of course the director and producers said no, and in saw 4 ,Costas wanted to be tied really Good and extra tight .
You have such a pleasing voice I can listen to your videos all day😩
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@@Fit4C don’t force religion on people, stop spreading stuff like this
Babadook
I think I know why Amanda rigged their games
Cause it was their idea of mercy
John wanted to teach people to value life
But in Amanda’s eyes
Death is a mercy compared to living with the trauma of surviving a Saw trap
That trauma sent them down this awful path
Just my two cents
yo this makes a lot of sense
Han she's just a junky who didn't listen to her teacher
Agreed. It's a lot better than Hoffman's vision of justice for his sister's death, but it doesn't justify his killing of Eric and Peter.
both of them wrong af
But both of them are still stupid af for putting actually ok people in the traps. Before watching the saw movies, I fully expected the victims to be like murderers, abusers, pedophiles, whatever. But saw one is literally just a busy dad and a weirdo photographer? What?
Just a slight correction, the ring could be removed in the classroom trap, because it had a section cut out as it shows when Hoffman holds the ring so he had to rotate it to remove it. Although yes, it is inescapable due to the door being welded shut.
I just figured that it was damaged due to the explosion. Also could it have been cut in order to remove the body? Haven’t seen the movie myself, so wasn’t sure if the body was already removed or not
@@ValanaZillas the body was basically nonexistant at that point. The bombs detonated shredding his body to basically nothing more than viscera.
I’ve heard theories that Hoffman was meant to survive his bear trap test
The test was to see if he could forgive Jill and not try to seek vengeance nor enforce his twisted justice
That’s what Hoffman does, enforce unethical “justice”, and John wanted to test that behavior out of him
That’s why Lawrence was meant to watch over Jill,
So if he failed and killed Jill in revenge,
Hoffman would be punished for failing his test
Seeing as the entire game of Saw 3 was meant for Amanda I wouldn’t be surprised if that’s what John had planned for Hoffman as he had never been tested.
it seems possible that you can get into a saw trap by not saying thank you to the bus driver
SPOILERS FOR SPIRAL
Technically all the traps were rigged in Spiral considering firstly this is a revenge tale and all the guy wanted was revenge not for anyone to survive, and also the time given isn't enough, and or the thing the people have to do is impossible to survive and or it's straight up rigged to the point where they can't escape
I agree, no matter how many times people have explained it in my mind all those traps are impossible.
Notice a pattern though? These traps aren't set up by John himself. With the RBT 2.0, I'm fully convinced that John would have wanted it to be possible to escape, but it's implied that Jill was angry with Hoffman for setting up Amanda and John's deaths, so she simply left him to die.
I think it's a missed opportunity for the series to not make Strahm the main character. Have him survive more traps and give the audience a consistent character to stick with, and give Hoffman more headaches. Let's just say Hoffman did succeed in convincing the police that Strahm was the killer. Strahm survived but now nobody believes him and he became this vigilante foiling Hoffman's traps and uncovering the truth as a vigilante character. But nope each movie try to one up the twist endings and we got a mess of a franchise. Killing characters for the sake of shock value until they have no main character so they had to pull Dr Gordon out of their asses into this whole thing.
Exactly my toughts. Saw 1-3 were great in their own. But with Strahm in Saw 4 they added something I never even noticed I missed in the first three movies, until they added it: Someone who really felt like he could be dangerous for Jigsaw/Amanda/ Hoffman. The whole dynamic between Hoffmann and Strahm brought a whole other tension to the movies in my opinion, at least in the two Strahm was involved. Would have loved to see the story in the way you described it. Strahm was a great character, and Scott Patterson a brilliant actor.
I liked Dr. Gordon though tbh.
Are there even "Main Characters?" Aren´t they simply categorized in Protagonists and Antagonists, as implied by the Saw Wiki?
What about the saw 6 traps in which only 2 of 5 people can be safed and they have no control over it. Pretty unfair too
Same with the bull with the wife in it and the one where he had to safe only one employee and the other was hanged
those aren't really rigged though. unfair, yes, but not exactly rigged.
Yeah I think with the Saw VI traps it's a little different because William is told right away that he can't save everyone in the trap, he has to choose. While this video, HitStart talks about traps where the person in it is told they can (all) escape if they just follow the rules. But then they find out, when it's too late, they were only given the illusion of being able to escape. Super unfair, but in a different way than the Saw VI ones are.
@@honda-akari we don’t talk abt the brazen bull
Jigsaw never rigged any of the original traps but his followers where the ones who did all the rigging and that made Jigsaw very mad
Bro the tracheotomy part was so clever, i would of never thought to do that, nor would i have the balls to stab myself in the throat either lol, but it just shows how well thought out the traps are in saw, even though this was meant to be impossible.
Funny thing is, tracheotomy with a pen is hard for even a medical staff to do. If you stab a little bit too softly it doesnt puncture your throat, if you stab a little too hard it will puncture your throat all the way through. If the pen/object is not sharp enough, it will crush your trachea instead of creating an airway. Of course in a movie we can say that he had a good combination of knowledge and luck, but don't go stabbing people in the throat thinking you're helping :P
@@mirko241 man i doubt ill ever be in a situation where ide need to but ill take your advice and leave it to the professionals 😂🙏🏼
It would also be possible for Strahm to puncture the seal though, and use the hollowed pen to breathe through without having to hurt himself.
@@DrYeet2704 I've always wondered why he stabs himself for no reason you can even clearly see the seal on his neck leaking
You probably can’t imagine yourself doing that, but when you’re losing oxygen and can’t even gasp for air the adrenaline is gonna do that
"The truth is, the game was rigged from the start" - John Kramer
Ring a ding ding Mr House!
On the angel trap: Would lowkey have been hilarious if she managed to yeet the acid at her killer.
Or if the acid could have been used on the trap.
I doubt it would be possible to do either of them. Her killer was standing at quite a far distance for the acid to reach her, and if she tried to pour it onto the apparatus she would have to spill it on herself too, does not matter if she pours it on the arm chains or the rib part
Acid doesnt work as fast as it seems in movies
@@Davenzoid Well, we ARE dealing with movie acid here, so... xD
@@Kattlarv true that lol, completely slipped my mind
See I think the funniest thing about the angel trap isn't the fact that it is unbeatable but the fact that Allison's hand immediately starts burning in the acid. There were a few videos on NileRed's channel in which he shows that acid doesn't burn your hand that fast unless it is a very particular type of acid, in which case the key would have been nuked in probably like 5 seconds or at least reduced to an unusable state, in which case there'd be no point putting your hand in the glass and you would just kinda have to accept your fate.
These SAW videos are definitely my favorite. Great job on these and the other videos hit start! :)
"We should never come from anger...or vengeance. You taught me that,"
Yeah, okay, John. Does Cecil ring a bell?
Also Logan took out Halloran for vengeance against his wife. But Logan wasn't working under Jigsaw that long before being sent to war so maybe he didn't really know John's mantra before he left. This is meant to be Pre-Bathroom events so... It's all convoluted! 😛
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@@Fit4C ew
@@Fit4C eh
my theory is that logan came around after cecil's trap, which would make sense because the group trap logan was in was much better developed and executed than cecil's. this would be after jill and john divorce as well, but before amanda's trap before the bathroom trap from saw 1. assuming logan doesn't know amanda or hoffman, the timeline checks out because then logan left to serve.
@@pasteldaydream8336 Hell, Amanda and Hoffman didn't even know Dr. Gordon was a secret apprentice. Logan helped make the reverse bear trap therefore before John got Amanda, Logan was off to Fallujah where he was taken by Taliban
I can't watch now, have to go to work, but I am so excited every time you post a video, keep up the good work 💪
This is more important…. Cmon man get ur priorities straight!
@@turtlesshorts3009 bro don’t convince him
I'm back
@@Marinho.. enjoy your video after a hard days work bro
@@zakklebowski7712 thanks bro, I really need it to relax a little
Since the beginning there were traps involving two people where someone had to choose who must die. Semantically it may not be murder if you are forcing someone else to make the killing blow, using your weapons, but it is not better than murder.
Ok… So to point out the problem. The ice cube trap was possible. All he had to do was wait the timer out. That was the ONLY thing he had to do.
Before watching: you better not include any of Amanda's traps. Those don't count.
After watching: 2 Amanda traps. Good job on showing restraint and not padding out the video, cos like, ALL of Amanda's traps were meant to be 100% unbeatable
That Why He Put Amanda's Traps since every one of jigsaw's disciples traps are unbeatable
Yea, thus it was rigged.
the video was about what traps were rigged so obviously hers are gonna be there?
@@holssvsp
You missed the point. I'm praising him for not putting too many of Amanda's traps. Because he could technically just put all of them in the video to pad the runtime and drop ads in.
I feel like with the glass box trap, if Strahm did actually get into the box, whether or not Hoffman lived, all the evidence still pointed to Strahm as the jigsaw accomplice. Furthermore, if Hoffman did in fact die in that trap, it would be impossible to prove that Strahm isn’t the accomplice, as all the evidence points to him. Plus, his one suspect was just killed where he last was, which is very suspicious to the people who already suspect him.
I’d say the hot wax trap from Spiral is also rigged. The other traps are arguably escapable (Besides the last trap) but the hot wax one, you’re screwed one way or another imo
Even after Adam won his game by surviving John still refused to let him go.
EXACTLY
That's because he was never meant to survive in the first place. Adam was supposed to be shot by Lawrence...
I thought you were gunna talk about the wax trap in spiral how tf is someone supposed to paralyze themselves with a blade they can't see with precision accuracy while hot wax is poured on your face like wtf is that bs?
Ikr-
Tbf, every trap in Spiral was meant to be rigged. It was a Jigsaw wannabe taking revenge on the police department that wronged him. They were never meant to live afterwards
I think bathroom trap is also rigged..well, not that rigged as Angel Trap or Classroom Trap, but it was impossible for Adam to escape. His key went to the drain, his hecksaw broke and even thought he won the game, he still was locked in bathroom
At 6:02 in this video, you see Hoffman pick up a ring with a piece cut out of it. My guess is that this is the ring which was in the guy's mouth. Sure, it would still be difficult to pull out, but you could pull it through your teeth and unhook it, rather than having to rip out your entire jaw, so I don't think this part of the trap was necessarily impossible.
That’s true, but it’s also said in that scene that the door was welded shut, so it was stilled rigged anyways
@@colinharrigan2925 I know it was still rigged, but this means you could still potentially survive as you're not necessarily chained in place and could take cover.
@@deskrabbit2190 fair enough
@@deskrabbit2190 yeah okay
@@colinharrigan2925 I mean you could always hide behind a desk or chair. Or you could sit in the opposite corner of the room since thats furthest away from the bomb
Problem with your arguement for the glass coffin trap is that it's all speculative what would have happened had he simply listened to orders. Especially since it wasn't the first time he disobeyed orders to just drop it. It's highly possible that he would have been killed. It's also just as likely that he would have been seen as listening to jigsaw, and thus been more willing to be brought into the "cult"
The entire setup OF the trap (each of them against the guy infact) was based on the idea that he would purposefully go against whatever jigsaw told him to do, even if it would have saved him to do so. This is also why people say he should've just gotten into the box. because everything points to the idea that jigsaw would be a 'man of his word' in the situation provided, even if hoffman is basically not 'jigsaw'.
Can someone tell me where can I get those traps ? I need it for a school project
I mean marcus wasnt surviving anyway, did you see how much of his blood was drained. I mean him being alive after loosing what looks like 2/3 of his blood makes no sense
Basically all traps in spiral are impossible
I think if Strahm got into the coffin it would have closed without the coffin lowering into the ground, still crushing him. I have no doubt that Hoffman could have set up to where it would only lower for him somehow. Maybe he has a device on him that the lowering mechanism senses.
That' also what I believe. I really can't imagine Hoffman would have let Strahm survive - and if, he would never let him leave. Strahm knew to much, and would have never give into Hofmans idea of justice. The only thing I can imagine is that he would have used Strahm as puppet, forcing him to do whatever needs to be done to divert suspicion from Hofman.
It's really a shame in my opinion. Strahm got punished for doing his Job 🙁
thats so sad
Oh, that pendulum one is based off of Edgar Allan Poe’s “The Pit and the Pendulum”.
In Amanda's defense, she rigged her traps because Mark was threatening to tell John that she was the reason for his unborn son's death. I know that John knew this already, but Amanda didn't and was scared of him finding out. That's not to say she didn't rig a few things, John did too, like in SAW 2, it was Amanda's job to ensure that Matt's son survived the house and got out. Otherwise, John couldn't have promised they would find him in a 'safe' place. It's because of that, I feel Mark is the only one who rigged things.
Amanda rigged her games because she felt that people don’t change, Hoffman only blackmailed her so she would kill Lynn. The Classroom and Angel traps were set up before the blackmail happened.
@@thomasraines1396 But Allison Kerry (the Angel Trap victim) was innocent! What behaviour did she have to "change"?! I think Amanda rigged the Angel Trap for her because she was jealous of the idea of her becoming another one of John's apprentices should she survive... Just my two cents
I think Logan was waiting for the Detective to admit to the specific crime he explained. But he's done a lot wrong so who blames him for not remembering?
The first trap you talk about with the laser colar, the other guy had already lost the game, by tricking logan and cheating and pressing logan's button to force him to confess first, that is why he had no chance of winning anymore. We don't know what would have happened if he had not tricked logan.
What about the first one how was I think Adam supposed to grab the key
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Not exactly, the only trap that appears to have been rigged by Jigsaw was The Rack, where there is a key, but no lock, so there was not way out. The others always gave the person in the trap a chance, but although he wasn't afraid of collateral. The other traps were rigged by his successors.
Don’t overlook the safe and candle trap that John made. That one was also impossible to survive
Also, starting with saw 3 ,all the traps work in real life as it works in the film, which includes the horrific angel trap
Hands down the angel trap was the most unfair tbh
I wish there was a Saw movie where the victims don’t act like fucking selfish idiots. Ik it’s meant to play into their unscrupulous flaws and that they’re bad people but seeing if they can beat the games together would make “horror” movies more satisfying than generic stupidity and repetitive deaths
In Spiral when he saved his dad he still chose to take down the killer so he tried to have both options. Not just saving his dad so you can argue that it was just a fail safe incase so really it was just zeke trying to have both options
John never rigged his traps but every other jigsaw did lol
All the traps in saw 3 are rigged because none of the victims had any way of surviving, they just had to rely on Jeff sparing them. They weren't given a chance. How Jigsaw never realized that is beyond me
Ridiculous or not, I like the end of Spiral
Another great video, Most fans believe every trap in spiral is rigged, it would be really cool if you could break down every trap in the movie with your opinion 🔥👏
The Reverse Beartrap easily gets first place in my favourite list of Saw traps. Simple, yet extremely effective for its purpose. Some of the other traps were just unnecessarily gory & brutal. Sure, all the traps are brutal af, but some were just too much lol 😂🤷.
Also, don't forget that theoretically, no trap meant to be completely unbeatable. Most of them were just modified to the extent that they became unbeatable.
Side note, the OG Reverse Beartrap is imo much more effective than the 2.0 version. Guess it's probably because of the way they're engineered. The OG one is more powerful, just by its mechanism alone. The 2.0 felt like it relied on razor blades, than crude engineering. But that's Just a theory though. A film theory... Aaaaand cut. 😂😂
Nice video! 😄
So if u think about it, amanda,and hoffman were killers, not John,but in John's traps ppl never listened to his rules,ironic.
Alot of these traps are just hoffmans and such, they aren't actually jigsaws traps so kind of ignoring the plot of alot of the movies
The door might have been welded shut but there were windows lol just smash the bomb out the window
All these traps are grusome😮 If this were legal, I would hide myself in a underground bunker
Honestly the police officers at the end were kinda dumb as well. They totally ignored the fact that all of his limbs were tired by these spike things, like if i would've seen that, i would've known that these things made him look to aim his gun at them. Plus he did raise his gun for more than a second at a bunch of police officers so even if he would want to kill them, he would simply shoot before the police would... So it seemed like the police acted purely out of instinct here.
Great video, man. Keep up the good work. I'm proud of you
5:27 He could have used the desks around him to defend himself.
8:46 She could have poured the acid on the tendons wich pull out the ribs.
I feel as though if Halloran pressed his own button, making him go first, Logan would’ve let him go, all while destroying his career in the process.
i remember your saw 3 video when it came out
love your videos
Here's what bothers me about the ice block trap. I've been thinking about it since I saw the fourth movie. If Hoffman's goal was just too execute Rigg, he did a poor job of it which is why I think Hoffman really was trying to train an ally as Jigsaw. Because if things unraveled the way they were supposed to. Rigg would have come out of this completely unscathed. Hoffman was unarmed in that final scene. This means only two people would have died in that room. Leaving Rigg and Hoffman alive. Which means Rigg was supposed to survive. This is also supported by how disappointed Hoffman looks as he watches Rigg bleed out.
John made some traps harder then others and definitely did the whole well they could have beaten them if they really thought about it argument. But some of these were just straight up kills like these people learned from him but never understood him.
Funfact:the actor of hoffman played in movie 8-bit christmas and when they were shoping hoffman as the dad was alone in one shop and was standing next to jigsaw puppet
Guess who just found a channel to watch on incognito mode with a side of notebook, a pencil and good ol' tea...
I'm a writer I swear.
I firmly believe that from the way Hoffman was speaking on the tape he was trying to get Strahm to join him and become a Jigsaw killer. The coffin seemed like a twisted version of the trust fall. He wanted Strahm to see he wasn't completely untrustworthy. Also look at Hoffman as the room was crushed, Hoffman turns away in remorse when Strahm is killed. It's directly stated in an interview by the actor that "He had a consciousness at some points". I find the constant repeating of "Do you trust me?" as a covert way of trying to plead with Strahm to give his way of justice a chance otherwise why repeat it so often? You might argue his speech at the end of "Your legacy will become mine" is more of him saying he has a plan for both outcomes, live or die.
(This is a cut content related thing so it's not 100 percent valid) Remember the original ending of Saw 5 was that Strahm would have beat Hoffman to death in the glass coffin room, it would have shown Strahm was capable of being a killer for the sake of his own version of justice. Also we saw in the original glass coffin in Saw 4 there's a key inside of it, Hoffman might have removed it but the only purpose a key inside the coffin would serve would be to open the coffin from the inside meaning if Hoffman had doubts about killing him he could still open the coffin if he wanted to.
When you look back and notice all John's assistants has failed him at the end. Even John was willing to give the man that killed his unborn child a chance to live and become better person. His assistants never gave their victims chance to change. He was surrounded by murderers.
Like begets like.
It is clear he does not wanna let go of the Saw franchise.
That rigged water tank one… I wouldn’t know what’s worse… Stabbing my throat or suffocating. How about just don’t live where John does…? Yeah, that’s probably a better idea…
Johns games always have the chance for them to live as long as they're willing to survive. But once he died, his apprentices went overboard with the traps, leaving them to die no matter what
What about the Brazen/Bronze Bull trap, how was he supposed to pull himself up
The Hoffmanator!
Jigsaw: I never actually killed anybody. 😂
John is a fair guy which gave chance of his victims to left alive, but Amanda nor Hoofman wouldn't do the same as what John's do which like what the guy said they're just wanted people that are involved to the Jigsaw case and also who suspecting Hoofman itself would be ended by the Hoofman trap, which himself does make zero chance to let the victims left alive though. Anyways i like the explanation of the video!
Dude said hoofman💀
Hoofman 😂
John fair? Have you watched the films?
Listen To Me, He could have used his resources and broke through the glass of the window 6:34
I might throw in the finger trap in Spiral just because the dude in it spends basicly the entire time doing what he's supposed to, only pausing to scream for like 5 seconds before reactivating it and he still runs out of time and dies... Plus none of the traps in Spiral feel like they were ever meant to be beaten just because each death is kinda necassery to advance the villian's plans
Spiral was a revenge story.
U still need to do how to beat spiral before saw x
I’m surprised the one with the dude who ran over the dudes kid was in here, let me elaborate. EVEN IF he got the key without dying to the shotgun the dudes limbs would already be twisted to a point where living would be almost impossible for you.
in that scene, joe could've easily done it while he still had both arms and his neck together. two legs breaking may be bad, but joe just sucked.
@@axolotl7084 are you not considering the fact he would’ve most likely bled out? Also I don’t think he had enough time
it's funny the deliberately rigged water trap Is actually super beatable. the amount of water is such that it's conceivable that he could just drink some of it. plus like I'd assume the tank is sealed to his neck with some kind of rubber seal. if he hammed the pen in between his neck and the seal it would create a passage for the water to drain through
You'll never stop being a legend, man. :)
fun fact! the actor for hoffman requested that the glass in the glass coffin trap be real so his pain would look more genuine on camera. naturally, the film crew and director said no-
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Everyone forgets Adam from the first Saw film. There’s NO WAY John didn’t think about the risk of the key going down the drain, and the game would have played out very differently if Adam had the key from the start. Other tests of John have the victim screw themself over by conscious actions, not by unconscious spasms as they slip underwater. It was always intended that Adam was to be shot by Lawrence and die, or some other horrible fate.
I always thought the cop in Jigsaw's real test was pushing the right button to admit what he'd done; and when he pushed Logan's button he failed the test. Similar deal with the water cube, had he followed the directions on the tape he would have survived, he didn't listen, so he failed. I don't think John meant for Hoffman to even be there for that test.
The most RIGGED trap is bedroom in saw IV...
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Hah, nice one!
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