"King above the law”: Is the United States president above the law? | BBC News
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- In one of its most pivotal decisions of the year, the US Supreme Court has ruled that US presidents can have absolute immunity for ‘official’ acts.
The 6-3 historic decision effectively strips out key parts of an indictment against former president Donald Trump for allegedly conspiring to overturn his 2020 election defeat.
Three justices have issued a blistering dissent to the US Supreme Court opinion granting Trump partial immunity from prosecution, warning that it will allow presidential power to be used "for evil ends".
Six conservative-leaning justices signed the majority opinion, but the three liberals dissented, expressing "fear for our democracy".
But how far could the leader of the free world push the definition of a presidential duty?
On this week’s Americast, the BBC’s Sarah Smith and Anthony Zurcher discuss this question with constitutional law expert Alison LaCroix and Steve Bannon, former strategist for Donald Trump.
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The same judges who say "yes" now will be the first to say "no" depending on which President exactly was in question!
For example, one wonders if Obama could've gotten away with a fraction of all what Trump has said and done.
One just wonders!
Obama got away with the assassination of American citizens.
I don't wonder.........
They probably forgot that Biden can now do whatever he wants to Trump, or even to them judges for that matter.
No they would not.
They wanted to prosecute him for wearing a tan suit.
I don't want s dictatorship or a monarchy.
Tough, the Supreme Court just made America exactly that, an unaccountable autocracy. 👍🇬🇧🙏🌈♥️
@@polygonalmasonaryIt was planned by Republicans long ago.
None of us want a dictator or a king, except the brainwashed, brain dead sycophants who think a washed up TV celebrity that has an ego problem and is a narcissist. Not the sharpest tools in the shed are voting for trump.
None of us want a dictator or king for America, except the delusional brainwashed cult who think he’s great...because he told them he is great. Not the sharpest tools in the shed.🤪
@@polygonalmasonaryhardly the response we will make.
My question is, after the Supreme Court ruled on USA president immunity . Can the American president fire all Supreme Court Justices and replace them with new ones ?
NO
Well, It’s possible based on where the country is headed now. We need help. Based on that first debate, it looks like what someone asked, “is that the last episode of America’s democracy????”
When is it okay for someone with lots of crime against the country and siding with communism, to run for president. I am Tired of these old farts.
the president can, just no one done it yet. It's call flexible thinking.
Yes. He can
Its his duty to appoint one, so no. Otherwise Biden could do it right now.
Think guys 😂😂
The president nominates the judge and the senate confirms it.
To remove a judge both house and senate pass the impeachment.
Sounds like your analyst is saying that anything trump has done is covered by immunity, but anything Biden could think up to do to thwart trump would be off limits and not covered by immunity.
*CRITICAL THINKING:* How can the president be held accountable for crimes, if evidence of their crimes cannot be reviewed by any court in America?
When the High Court Judges (but all judges in general) are corrupted ... than anybody could be above the law ... that has enough money to pay them!
“Guilty until proven innocent”
coup de ta
When the Hight Court step over the Constitution to protect Insurrectionist Trump to run for re-election... They have trashed American Constitution and no "democrat", "republican", or "independent" did anything in America! Although they have taken the Oath to Support, Protect, and Defend the Constitution!
@@chimmy987that's not what I asked, idiot. Learn how to read.
If it is impossible for consequences to be brought upon a perpetrator of a crime, that crime is decriminalised, de facto legal.
Question. Why is A President. Or an Ex president so different from amy other person in the USA? Aren't they Human beings also?
Read "Animal Farm" by George Orwell sometime........
...because in the United States shyster lawyers will sue them and prosecute them for everything they did. We can't have that! In the United States the President is the first of three branches of government. Can you prosecute Parliament???
They have to make tough decisions and cannot have doubt to make the tough decisions. If that is beyond your capability to understand, then we are happy you are not in power...
@@AncientttimeZ Yes, they do, SeniletimeZ. But because we are a nation of laws, they still have to be accountable for those actions.
@@RMSTitanicWSL To bad democrats do not adhere to that concept! Why are the crooked democrats not held account for all the evil things they do?
Sending love to Britian 😊
So tragic, the fate of the United States, and all because in 2016 some number of people didn’t like the sound of a woman’s voice.
No one is above the law!
Diaper Don is now, thanks to the Supreme Court.
@@simonpkiss1035 the Supreme Court needs to be abolished and replaced
According to Joe Biden, illegals are above the law!
According to Joe Biden, illegals are above the law!
Yes right but Biden and his family above the law.
They sold country to China and Russia Ukraine Biden family got bribe .but media be quiet only Trump is issue
Just to clear this up, the Monarchy IS NOT above the law. Rule of law means nobody is. The King could be prosecuted, you do not need the crown to prosecute, private prosecutions happen all the time, ask the RSPCA.
@ russeljones9207 ; I think she ( the woman witn blond hair) said the king Charles is above the law and cannot be procetuted.
in theory maybe, not in practice
Look up the trial of King Charles I. He argued that the courts had no authority to put him on trial. That argument didn't stop him from losing his head in the end.
Because the United States president is no less than a king. He is " King of the world ".
Like the King of the Forest, as described in Frazier's Golden Bough. One day you lose. And with you go your minions, your empire and your people. King for a day.
To leave "official act" undefined is sloppy. A nation with sloppy law is a sloppy nation.
Does that mean that he Could Kill someone and not be prosecuted?
If so.
It STINKS.
means Biden can. to Trump and these Judges.
Don’t believe they said that!
To say Trump can do anything he wants and not be held accountable. Show please where it says that! Irresponsible
No. Biased and tortuous explaination. To hysterize peeps....
Yes but a general said this a couple of years ago "If he were to order that [the killing of family members of terrorists] once in government, the American armed forces would refuse to act. You are not required to follow an unlawful order. That would be in violation of all the international laws of armed conflict.”
So our only hope is that the armed forces do not become Trump fantatics.
The king is a constitutional monarch he cannot be tried in his own court but that is not true he can be just need an act of parliament
People forget that Charles of Stuart times was tried by parliament and beheaded. Kings have been answerable to the people since the Magna Carta.
@@skycloud4802 well at least the Barons
Private prosecutions happen all the time. Also, the house of lords can convene as a court as and when necessary.
Hate that the supreme court’s decision was absolutely ridiculous.
Why are you PRO SWAMP and pro WOKE establishment?
They ruled correctly within the law. You are no lawyer, that is why you are merely a youtube commenter. Best to know one's true limits.
@@birdstwin1186 I'm sure history has shown that it's always a good idea to never criticize your government, and to never question their actions. You just go with the flow.
Surely nothing bad has ever happened with this mindset.
@@birdstwin1186 You are also not anyone of importance, but merely -- you guessed it -- a youtube commenter. Best to shut the hell up before someone else calls you out for the very thing you mock another for. If your brain were bigger than your ego, you'd probably have seen this coming.
@@fargoth391 Can you tell me what will happened to Medias ? They want answer to their questions.
Weapons of mass destruction in Iraq????
Bush and Blair both disappeared long ago from the news 😄😄😂😂. Nobody could ask them about millions of deaths and destruction.
@@_Reviewer If you recall, there were protests all over Europe and America after war announcement. Bush announced it with the most sheepish defeated look I ever saw. The public broadcast with Blair in House of Commons was cut short by BBC and replaced with talking heads. The International Atomic Commission said Iraq did not have nuclear capability. The initial war thrust was based on an alleged sighting of an Iraqi intelligence officer with people suspected of the anthrax mailings.
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Everybody knew then, and everybody knows now. Iraq was just revenge for the Bush Snr failing in 1992.
No one has perfectly earned everything they have in life, especially former president Richard Nixon. People help each other charitably and kindly all of the time.
Trump helps himself and his crew.
Money
This ruling's greatest threat is what James Madison warned about how the greatest trend towards tyranny could rezide in the office of executive of the ambition to go to war continually, without Congress, which presidents routinely do now in violation of the Constitution. ( Goggle James Madison speech on continuel war be the greatest threat to Liberty.)
Unfortunately trump knows that Biden is not hard harden like him. He has a conscious and wants to do whats right not cruel. But many wishes he would. Trump will use this ruling if rlected and end democracy.
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@@hollytalbot6695
You’re a triple clown? Nice.
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If it is legal, isn't it right?
@@simulationkoyo my ass
It's a Coup.
America is meant to have three branches of power. The reasoning behind these branches was to keep each other in line.
Legislative (Congress / Senate)
Executive (President)
Judicial (Supreme Court)
In my opinion, the Supreme Court just stripped some of its own authority. Which has unbalanced the authority towards to the Executive branch, weakening the other two.
They aren't supposed to 'keep each other in line'. They are supposed to not interfere with each other, hence the separation.
@@russelljones9207 For instance, the President can veto a law passed by Congress. Does that mean the President "interferes" with Congress?
Equally Congress can override the veto President with a 2/3 majority, "interfering" with the President's veto power.
Or if the President nominates a Justice but then the Senate doesn't approve it. Does that not mean the Senate interferes with the President?
There are a bunch of other examples.
The intent of the three branches is to separate power, ensuring that no single branch possess overwhelming power and creating a system which checks itself.
I feel the balance has been removed.
@@russelljones9207look up checks and balances please
@@idrisali3947 You really need to explain how you saying a sentence undos centuries of thinking on constitutional law. Please explain how and why the founding fathers wanted different powers to dominance challenge each other and why it's been kept a secret until now. Thanks
@@russelljones9207 i just did, i told you to look up checks and balances lol. it’s no “secret”, they teach this in elementary school. ya know what? look up schoolhouse rock capital hill 😂 maybe that will be easier to digest
How about judges and politicians immunity?
I wouldn't let the BBC recommend toilet paper.
We have a lot of crazies here. I don't think a king would last long.
Anthony Zucher is a correspondent. He is not a constitutional law expert. But here, he flips off statements which are really uninformed statements. Heads up.
The Agency has been above the law long before 9/11
Yes,this President joe a bove the law !!!
Great kick off question. Congratulations on UK labor success. I doubt it will help him. I'm worried about their takeover of agencies FDA, CDC, EPA and more. I smell Project 2025.
Its ridiculous...no president should be above the law! This whole shit show with Trump thats been going on forever...is getting tiring. He's not in the best interest of America.
Not a problem - maybe the BBC could send over Aaronovitch to deal with him in his own inimitable manner . Hardly the goto broadcaster to get an impartial view of this situation now is it? 😂
BBC NEEDS TO RUN YOUR COUNTRY.
biden should dismiss the SCOTUS and re-appoint. Biden can now stay in office past Jan 6
Except no one would be willing to fight for Biden to illegally stay in power. Meanwhile half the country would gladly go to war to put Trump in office if he wins
You’re IGNORANT!
@GillMunchen-m6h
I think your orange knee pads are too tight.
I don't think that he can get rid of the current justices, but he can appoint as my of them as he wants or assign 6 of them to an advisory board worth one vote collectively and appoint 5 new ones. Just gotta be creative. You can find precedent for court expansion, not that precedent actually matters now.
yes it is official as long as Biden says it is. According to their decision lol.
King Biden step up and demand we uphold the Constitution and remove trump the ballot NOW !!😮😮
“I think that I just feel like a young man, I’m so young. I can’t believe it, I’m the youngest person.” - Trump😂
Trump is completely deranged and delusional. That alone is frightening. What is scarier is the fact that the Republican clownocracy, the right wing propaganda media sites and his followers are as deranged and delusional as he is.
have any US president be criminal prosecuted with war crimes, mass surveillance, etc ?
If criminals Blair and Brown can get away with it, so can skidmark starmer!
Democracy finished in the USA on 1-7-2024 at 10:30 AM!
It finished on November 6th 2020 when the Democrats stole the election.
Good to know. But in reality everyone else consider it democracy.
@@birdstwin1186 ❤❤ ALWAYS REMEMBER! NOT IF BIDEN ( OR WHOEVER DEMOCRAT) IS REELECTED, YOU VOTE CONGRESS AND HOUSE BLUE.AND REELECTED A DEMOCRAT PRESIDENT IN 2028 with senate and House Blue and SAME THING AND 2032 TO DELUTE THIS scrotus .AFTER PROBABLY A NEW PARTY WILL EMERGED.❤ YOU HAVE TO DO IT FOR THE WORLD.❤
@@bertnijhof5413 USA is now and will always be a Constitutional Representative Republic, not a democracy. Greece had a democracy and voted themselves into bankruptcy.
Democracy is majority rule (mob) and minorities are not represented.
Yes, President can do anything if he is my party!!!! What kind of logic is that????
"The Buck Stops Here." Thus said Harry Truman, I believe.
But whoever said it was wrong, because the buck doesn't stop with the current President -- it stops with every following President, who will all judge the incumbent President for his or her actions in office.
No and we should make positive changes
I wonder if I am right:
The Congress watches the Supreme Court and Visa Versa.
The Supreme Court is Advisory Only. They have no
prosecutorial power as an extension under the Internal
Justice System.They may not write laws or pass
mandates to lower courts. Lower courts function through
the Attorney Generals Office (which is above the Congress)
through the Bureau Of Land Management and the
Department Of Defense. These are the branches of the
Justice System. Ratification of law is only done by the
Internal Justice System and Vetoing mandates is the
prerogative of the President. The President and Vice
President may request laws to be written, but may not write
them themselves. Maybe this is just wishful thinking. I hope not.
Please drop the cowboy music. Some of us in America are self-educated and know the score on many complicated issues. Try some classical please.
It's folk music.
Classical music is not appropriate to matters relating to conspiracy, sedition and insurrection. I suggest the original cowboy music be retained.
This is from the conclusion of the actual ruling:
"First, with respect to any criminal conduct relating to a President’s “core constitutional powers”-those subjects
“within his ‘conclusive and preclusive’ constitutional authority”-the President is entitled to absolute immunity from criminal prosecution. See ante, at 6, 8.
Second, expanding outward from this “core,” regarding all other “acts
within the outer perimeter of [the President’s] official responsibility,” the President is entitled to “at least a presumptive immunity from criminal prosecution.” Ante, at 14
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And the ruling also states presidential communications or motives cannot be used against him/her in 'core' duties' Giving pardons is a core duty, so Trump could, (and probably will) take brides for pardons, if re-elected in November.
Being an insurrectionist is not official
It doesn't matter, though. Any evidence from an "official act" can no longer be used against the president. They just destroyed the Constitution.
There was no insurrection. Lol. Unless people were going to use paper knives to take over the country.
@@maryfrump7937 gotta prove the crime first. They can’t. Because he didn’t
@@chimmy987a jury of 12 people found Trump guilty. Show me proof that the jury was rigged, just like the election. You can't. You're such a loser.
Trump's lies about the 2020 election led to the insurrection at the Capitol. The extreme/ supreme court will protect Trump. However, many of his supporters are in jail for believing his lies.
Article 1 sec 3 clause 7 of the constiturion says the president is not immune
According to Joe Biden, illegals are above the law!
How long will it not be done and put an end to these games that you promote in your store, until when is the fraud and cheating by the games. Who protects the rights of players and children. Who protects humans from these fraudulent companies! Where are the rights that you are talking about? Why is a supervisory body put in place for such digital gangs that make millions unjustly?
As a Pastor, you people are making mistakes, because you put your hand above the Holy Scriptures, but you don’t read it. No man is above the law not even angels ( Ezekiel 28:14-19 ). The person you are seeing here is the well known ( satan ) God did not made it evil, he was a high ranked angel a (Cherub) and he transgressed the law he knew cause of his pride . Here you a perfect example “ no one is above the law. Now one thing is breaking the law, and another committing a transgression against the law; a law breaker doesn’t know the law but a person that understand and know the law and break it,it becomes a transgressor of the law ( 1st Timothy 2:14 ) like Donald Trump. So on to when the Supreme Court is going to keep on giving immunity to a man, so he may take a position as a President which he is no longer worthy of exercise it. If the Supreme Court of the United state of America can’t no longer judge that we need New leadership in the Supreme Court of the United state of America. Donald Trump is not a King he’s a Transgresor of The Law.
As an citizen of America from the state of Illinois. I must respectfully ask anyone from Great Britain. What is a King?
Not sure we ever had one. We had a damn fine Queen, RIP.
If it's one thing I learned in life, it's that nobody is above the law.
Wait till your 16 🤣🤣🤣🇬🇧🙏♥️
So far Ron El D'ump has been above the law.....
Unless you are a Biden..
@@hollytalbot6695
What has Biden done that’s illegal?
If the President did something questionable it would go to the Supreme Court and have it sanctioned.
poor misinformed democrats, so sad
Everyone needs to watch: July 8th, 2024; The Lincolin Project ; aftermath
Supreme Court has laid the path for America to end democracy. It is so sad!
All presidential acts within the law cannot be prosecuted. Immunity does not apply to non-official acts that violate statutory law.
If you can pardon anyone what does that say?
Cannot pardon anyone under Federal charge.
m @simulationkoyo Pardon under lobby groups such as NRA or AIPAC beautiful corruption to its core and yet it wants all the other f countries to copy their f system
Welcome to socialist state propaganda from BBC
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Alister Cooke, in one of his letters from America, made the case that the US constitution gave the President the powers and status of the only King the 18th century colonists knew well, King George, except that the Prez was subject to being deposed by elections or impeachment by Congress. It was an accident of history, Cooke claimed, that the US constitution was written at a time where the British King and British parliament had roughly equal powers. The written US constitution preserved those powers over time in the US. In the UK parliament went on to increase its power and reduce the Monarch's power. So I think Cooke would not be surprised at all that SCOTUS (which wants to remain in the 18th century) ruled that the Prez has similar immunity as the Monarch of the UK still has.
very helpful commentary, thank you!
No.
DJT CUT HIS TEETH IN COURT!! THIS MAN IS WAY TO SMART WHEN IT COMES TO COURT!! BUT GOOD LUCK 🤣😂🤣😂🤣
TRUMP2024 MAGA
Yes, watching on UA-cam.
4.1 million votes for Reform UK is pretty spectacular !
Oh wow, 4 seats. Pathetic.
@@caynebyron 5 seats actually and 600,000+ more votes than lib Dems which proves something needs to change as lib Dems got 71 seats which is disgusting and for reform who only really got going a month ago is incredible.
Even with your faces as red as a plum, you could only muster up 4 seats 😂😂😂
@@caynebyron
4.1 million votes for Reform UK is pretty spectacular !
@@Nxck2440
4.1 million votes for Reform UK is pretty spectacular !
Yes, but it won't last!
We separated from Great Britain that's the only play I know of kings. The Boston Tea Party took care of that. I would like to see a bill go forward to vote on lifetime appointments for Supreme Court Judges, that is too much power with no replication is truly dangerous It's time to back over the United States of America.
Liberal tears 😭...
Long Live King Trump Go home Brits you can't even vote here
at this point i'd almost be willing to let trump out of jailtime if he'd just go away. slink back to mar-a-lago, on probation, and live out his last, what, 5 or 10 years tops?
It’s weird to put faces to the voices lol
The answer is yes and no. Based on the 3 for and 3 withdrawal 😂
All hail Biden the eternal leader of the USA.
This is deeply concerning. We are of course way past the point where the US was regarded as leader if the free world - Jan 6 was the final in the coffin in that regard.
But this really is next level dismantling of democracy.
Agreed. There's no walking this back, for at least possibly decades. There is no way around this now - what was once abuse of office is now just "official". Democracy in America is on life support, as hurricanes approach it's coast...
Why does no one understand we have congress to prosecute the president for official acts lol
So ambassadors and diplomatic staff above the law?
That's not new. Don't act like one.
It's different. First of all, law applies to diplomatic staff, whether a country choose to execute that law is up to its own standard. Japan had jailed US Service Member and diplomatic staff before, it's depends on the exchange agreement
President Immunity is "Blanket" which cover EVERYTHING. As long as it's in official capacity, it's going to be covered.
In “bananero” countries they are. Welcome us to the club. 👍🏼
He shouldn't be
Its called a Dictator.
Good information, thank you
Right now, I'd kinda like King Charles to be our president...
Charles the First...
King Charles would make a good King. He is not corrupt like Trump.
Ugh...no
God leftists are dense.
Powerful ...Now Repent Sincerely 🛐✝️
OMG.NHS Trust ✝️ 🇬🇧 pray
There are no levers here
Not even King's could behave like ze Drumpf....
3 co-equal branches doesn't apply anymore according to the BBC's analysis.
The fact that the BBC is weighing in on this at all is hilarious.
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Yall think you have any right
Elephant in the room: Given that some sections of Americans are obsessed about the SCOTUS ruling, describing it as a essentially making the president a king?
So, what does that make the realm of England? Doesn't look like they are doing too badly, are they?
Possibly the dumbest train of thought on the internet today
Please do your research before leaving such a dumb answer 🙄🙄🙄🇬🇧🙏🌈♥️
@@polygonalmasonary shut up bot
I can tell that you to support Trump's/Putin's coup against the US! You really are that ignorant, stupid and naive, a good republican! A real Trump supporter!!
Obviously beebee doesn't know anything about history or the role of the British monarchy. Kinda sad but not unusual.
Such division. I see why it all ends now. Funny and sad at the dame time.
Ask Americans and not us
*Coz Bye- den!
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He will try to overturnit again
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Biden says he is
Really?
The British parliament are so why not?
No they aren't, members of parliament are investigated by the police all the time. Nicola Sturgeon and Boris Johnson both have been recently.
DOH