Literally lmao this stuff keeps making me laugh how they keep making all these light speed shit like bro do research into what light speed actually is and what is required literally no one is one piece is light speed not even kizaru since he has a second where he has to cast the ability or charge it before he can move from A to B at light speed
@@archangel0dvn i mean if it's fiction it's okay if they move at light speed but they fight for days sometimes if they were anything near light speed they should end there fights in like 2-3mn
@@haro6025 Even Shanks was able to catch Kizaru which makes him mftl Kizaru may be light but there is a fact in one piece that their natural df can be extended or awakened through usage Base pre time skip luffy with no haki was able to dodge kuma's light beams Kuma moved at mftl speed in thriller bark arc Sanji moves so fast that even STRONG ADVANCED observation haki can't detect hum which makes mftl easily Obs haki is capable of granting the user the capability to react to ftl attacks
The way you explained the Logia ability is a bit wrong. Logia users don´t morph in to their element, it is a passive ability. And Katakuri is not a logia user Edit: okay even after a year maybe some clarification is needed. I meant to say that logias don't have to consciously morph, as it acts as a reflex. We have seen that multiple times and never did a logic get hit because they didn't pay attention Edit 2: Jesus stop with these brain dead arguments. Luffy being able to touch smoker and ace in that one scene doesn’t disprove my point as it falls in with Naomi being able to hurt luffy. It’s a fucking gag moment before halo was a thing. However the point also doesn’t work for you because ace could have turned into fire and avoid being hit by smoker. So stop yapping I am right and you are not! Have a great day
Katakuri's fruit becomes logia with observation haki Edit: for the love of god people, y'all don't need to correct me, i ALREADY KNOW, just scroll down.
@@Codyslx being immune to any kind of damage except haki kaeroseki or special weaknesses (like water for crok/rubber for enel) doesnt make the fruit logia. all logia powers are force of nature like powers. a logia fruit like fire for example doesnt just give you fire abilitys and immunity you become the living manifestation of fire. also logia users dont have energy cost problems like paramecia types.
This is kinda of bias because he spent most of the time talking about one piece and a few minutes to talk about Naruto bro this is not even funny hokage or way stronger
Katakuri fruit works exactly like a logia. He changes his body, also regenerating and arm, At one point. He uses haki to morph his body so he can avoid haki infused attacks aka all of luffy attacks Had he fought an opponent that doesn’t use haki he’ll just turn intangible. It was even stated to be a logia originally Oda retconned it to special paramecia because mochi is not a natural element. Logia fruits are natural elements
@@nineten9011 He never regenerated his arm. He shifts the properties of it so it was never damaged in the first place He doesn’t use Haki to “morph” his body. He looks into the future and make his body work like a logia to dodge all of the incoming attacks He is a paramecia so he isn’t intangible at all. If he fought an opponent without Haki and the opponent got a hit in on him he wouldn’t turn intangible.
@@EDP345 yes he would be intangible the fruit was literally a logia, till oda retconned it to “special paramecia” an extremely rare exception among paramecia Katakuri morphed his structure by transforming into his element multiple times, where did his arm go then if it was injured? Katakuri transformed into mochi to avoid black mamba, do you think if you punch katakuri without haki it’ll hurt him? Because oda wanted logia fruits to remain naturally occurring elements Akainu in Marin Ford did the same thing as katakuri with future sight while fighting vista and Marco to avoid getting hit. Same as aokiji opening up a hole to avoid whitebeard haki. Thing is everyone in the new world has haki, so logia intangibility powers without future sight is useless This is seriously a misconception among the fanbase
madara speed blitzes them all. this op debate is bs. just rng numbers pulled out of oda's ahh, while in the show we can clearly see how weak they actually are. it's so dumb ong
@@imanhewamanage731 yh yh stay mad. that's why everyone hates mid piece fans. u only know how to d*ckride, u re also blinded by how bad the pacing is, they literally drag the manga so hard, that's why they make 3 episodes out of one chapter. imagine that. besides, fan service at maximum is one big reason why u love the series that much, and also u can't admit that, why ? u got ur answer "bozo" 💀
Few things I wanna say. Hiruzen doesn't have bad stamina, he was fighting for an hour with 3 hokage level characters and had a mental nerf. Also, seeing as he has every jutsu in the village, you could possibly say. He has something like the 8th gates or shadow possession jutsu, he called the professor so he might have looked into them.
The main issue with this vid is how massively highballed the speed was for One Piece. Using that haki multiplier for speed has a couple issues: 1. We don't know how strong the Kuja are without it, so getting a multiplier based off that is faulty at best. 2. Haki has not been shown to give a speed boost. Armament gives an amp to the characters AP, except that every feat from them likely uses haki already. Observation doesn't amp their physical speed, just let's them react better. Conqueror's also hasn't been shown to amp stats aside from AP. So, really, the speed figures given for the Admirals would be 150x lower than you gave, putting them at 18x FTL, while the Hokage would scale significantly higher, given that they were generally able to keep pace with KCM2 Naruto in the war in terms of speed, which would place them at unquantifiably above 77x FTL. Then, they also scale to be Planetary due to them all being able to box Kurama, who is stated to be able to turn the world to ash with only half his being. Hiruzen could box Kurama, and did during the attack when Minato sealed him. Minato is also able to box Kurama, and even split him in two. Hashirama boxed all 9 Biju and then handed them out like candy, and Tobirama is heavily implied to be stronger than Hiruzen and Minato in terms of raw power.
Fun fact Observation doesnt let them React faster. it lets them SEE the attacks. since all of them own advanced stages of this type of Haki. Katakuri was shown to see 5 seconds into the Future.
I agree the one piece scaling made no sense but kcm2 narutois nowhere near 77x the speed of light. He's more like 1.5x the speed of light. And one piece characters aren't 18x ftl either.
Madara = continental Full kurama = planetary Hashirama fought both at the same time and won, even though Sakazuki is a logia, hashirama has all Chakra natures and we know elemental match ups can counter a logia, he also has better regen that tsunade who was cut in half and just didn't die and while the Sakazuki is way faster, sage mode offers a level of precognition(it may no be enough for hashirama to keep up with him but it will prevent instant speed blitzing)
My only problem with this statement is that none of these attacks would be able to bypass the intangibility that comes with logias like haki especially when it comes to the ones admirals hv
Few things wrong with this Idk why people forget but hasirama literally has no trouble with any of the tailed beasts because wood realse literally suppresses their chakra And yes their are elemental counters but the only time we have ever seen these counters were water and rubber And we haven't seen any other elemental counters so we dont even know there are any more And lastly a little fact, logias dont allow the user to morph and control a element they actually become that element You see devil fruits work by recoding the genetic structure of anyone that eats the fruits So someone that eats the magu magu no mi doesn't just get the ability to become magma They are literally doen to the genetic level the element themselves
Okay, you got some stuff wrong: logia users physically become their respective elements, it’s not something they do consciously. This means any non Haki coated attacks will pass right through then and they will be unharmed. Also, saying Fujitora is obviously weaker than all the other admirals is down right wrong since he has displayed much more competency in his combative capabilities than Kizaru and I’d argue his DF is actually better than some of the others. Sure he’s not a logia user however if you can control gravity you’re going to win most fights And one more thing, unless you have Haki or sea stone you cannot hit the logia users. You allowing them to do it simply to make it “fair” gives the wrong impression to viewers who might not be as well informed about one piece
To be fair he did say the admirals would win easily despite nerfing them, but yeah he shouldn't assume chakra would work on logia powers like haki can considering they are very different power systems
You guys do realize that if you wanna go on facts tobirama could literally just summon a wave to turn off all of their devil fruits and kill then instantly
@@samthediscusser19 bro watch his other videos the admirals/YONKO were calculated to be over 500x faster than light and your talking about the speed of sound 💀
@@FJUVHJDSR Haku was light speed in the FIRST ARC of Naruto as explained for how his ability works. Imagine how fast they are now? Bet you didnt bother looking for calcs for that since it would destroy your POV.
@@FJUVHJDSR bro what Tf 500× speed of light thats too much , I mean like these youtuber do whatever Theoretical Calculation just to prove their character strong... Like if they have this much speed why they are still in continental & planetary level. Even galactic level things barely have that much speed. ☠️☕
My biggest problem is that one piece scaling is completely wonky due to oda retconing things. The reason white beard was hit wasn’t from some durability and armament haki negging ability, but that the rules of haki weren’t fully defined yet. That’s it, plain and simple. Also, there are so many anti feats for one piece characters as well it makes their scaling extremely hard to do. Naruto isn’t perfect either, but it makes a lot more sense overall Imo, although there are def some inconsistencies
Oh yeah….like how Naruto didn’t totally retcon the entire Akatsuki, seven swordsmen, and several former Kage in order to scale them to be reasonably on the same battlefield as Naruto, Juubito, Sasuke, Minato etc. Like my guy, every long form story has a degree of retconing due to the evolution of the author(s).
@@JS-sv3fk the big difference is that after the retcons, we comfortably know where naruto characters scale. I can pretty confidently say where each character scales in terms of strength and speed. But yes absolutely people like hashirama were retconned. Heck, danzo didn’t even exist in og naruto. In one piece, people seem to still not fully understand where exactly everyone scales, and people scale vastly different from one scene to another. There are countless examples I could give of this, whereas in naruto the number is much less and there’s usually one example that the fan base agrees takes precedence
If you think naruto is any better concerning retcons you’re smoking crack. Madara who has regen and is the most hyped villian in naruto gets one shot by zetsu?? FODDER ZETSU?! Gtfo.
If you want that Kakashi against an admiral, wouldn’t Naruto as a kid or even newborn be fair game? I’m also fairly certain this is just focusing on the first 4 Hokage.
@@emitruoydetsawtsuji7663 Hashirama fought both Madara and The Nine Tails at the same time. The Nine Tails is scaled to planetary. Madara scales to The Nine Tails. So Hashirama 2v1’d them and won using hax and matching their power. Minato is the fastest on the battlefield beyond Kizaru. But I don’t think Kizaru’s speed is gonna be much of a problem, considering the fact that Haku is confirmed light speed with his mirrors. And the genin in OG Naruto surpassed that. Not to mention the Kage all have a elemental jutsu and hax that they strategically use. If Hashirama just immediately seals Akainu the the fights over. And we know that he is fully capable of doing so and for sure will. Every time we see Hashirama fight he uses sealing jutsu excessively.
@@demontiming3234 First of all give proof nine tails is planetary and even if he was it does not matter, Akainu is large planetary. There is no Jutsu in Minato's arsenal that would allow him to touch a logia. Light has no elemental weakness so without haki or sea stone all of Minato's jutsu are useless. Akainu is faster than Hashirama so he is not getting sealed. Wood style wont do anything to Akainu since akainu is a logia. There is nothing that Hashirama can do to him
Y'all are smoking dicks. Admirals are definitely top tier in One piece. Why do you think they're going to be some of the last enemies in the story? The admiral downplay is crazy.
This dude did not just say akainu beats hashirama bro the bias is so crazy this dude does not know anything about scaling my god he actually said the admirals are 2700 x faster than light
Wouldn't water style negate their devil fruit abilities or at least weaken them since being submerged in water of any kind is the same as being in the sea?
@@SC-pg7jr bro Luffy wasn’t ignoring the logia abilities due to water canceling out abilities (or else Luffy would’ve been weakened as he was actually covered in water while crocodile was just making contact with it) it was because once the sand makes contact with water it becomes solid meaning Luffy can hit Crocodile.
@@SC-pg7jr crocodile's weakness is water in general because he's made out of sand . we see Luffy get submerging in water in zoonisha and nothing happened to him
they can swim just not in the ocean like normal water they can swim in and with tobirama it would still not water cause its not even real water its just liquified chakra
It gets hard to watch once i hear light speed get brought up. To me dodging an attack doesnt scale them up to that attack. If i see a guy pointing a gun at me, and i dodge it, am i gun speed? Or do i have gun reaction speed? No, i just dodged cause i know bro gonna try to shoot me
I agree he didn't bring up sealing. However about sleeping and paralyzing, are we even sure it would work? Because logia are a tricky case, some even say they aren't even human based on how enel is able to live on moon without oxygen. Which makes sense as he is electricity and that doesn't require oxygen. Now say it does work, even then what? like future sight, precognition and insane speed would basically make it impossible to catch them offguard with a petty gas attack, that's like saying yonkos could be taken out just by a regular joe and his gas.
He also forgot the wood itself can sap the power out of the enemy, making whatever part of your body the wood touches, unable to use powers. He also has the rashamon, deity gates, AND true several thousand hands
Also wooden style = water style + earth style. And water is literally the weakness of DFs users and in particular of magma. Also he can possibly mix them into mud
There is technically a way to quantify how much faster biju naruto (and by extension a few hokage) is from KCM naruto KCM naruto after fighting the raikage was struggling against just 1 tailed beasts in their full forms. Biju naruto was able to blitz 5 of the tailed beasts bombs and even clashed with 5 said biju, giving at least a 5x boost from KCM Then you have biju naruto getting a lot stronger throughout the war, with him struggling against madara/obito in biju, to holding his own in KCM (I think like 1.5) then you have this stronger biju naruto scaling around base edo hashirama and KCM minato(at the lowest), with hashirama having sage mode, which can potentially be a 10x boost in stats, (which high balling it is where KCM minato is in speed as well) So all in all, if we high ball things a bit, you can potentially get sage hashirama(with added precognition) and KCM minato well over 50x faster than KCM naruto, who was around 88x the speed speed of light, making them at the highest 4400x light speed, with tobirama and hiruzen at the highest scaling to biju naruto/ base hashirama at 5x KCM, making them 440x light speed This is all just a head cannon estimation in power/speed difference in speed, don’t kill me
Naruto blitzing 5 tailed beast bombs and clashing with 5 tailed beasts doesn’t make him 5x faster. If one dude fights me at ‘Peak Human’ speed, and then I have trouble reacting to him, and in another scenario 5 people are fighting me at that same peak human speed, I don’t need to be 5x faster to keep up. I would need to be faster to deal with them, but their speed doesn’t multiply off of each other That being said, Tobirama speed wise would scale faster than Sage Hashirama (and EMS Madara) according to Madara’s words saying Tobirama was the fastest in their era. He didn’t say ‘besides me and Hashirama’, he just said the fastest in general. Which is crazy considering Sage Modes sensory perception and the EMS’ perception amps on top of the physical speed boost. And Tobirama has feats of blitzing Juubito and mentally shaken KCM Minato as supporting feats
You’re right it isn’t close hashirama by himself wipes out every admiral with virtually no effort as he scales to planetary and the admirals aren’t actually anywhere near that
Wait hold on, Hashirama subdued the other 8 tailed beast as well and with the Kurama scaling well he had to fight Madara who’s arguably stronger then Kurama plus ofc the perfect susssano but off of that, Hashirama also has sage mode idk if that was took into account or not
The haki scale was really weird to me ngl. Haki AP amp=Haki speed amp? Doesn't seem right. That was clearly referring to observation Haki which is basically precog. Also the multiplier for haki was given from an arrow that would've just went through the wall. How would the arrow alone have any effect on the rest of the wall? I always thought that was the Haki and not actually the arrow. Haki is probably not even a multiplier. It seems to be a direct addition of power dependent on your mastery of it. It being a multiplier really doesn't make sense to me at all. I also think that Kurama statement might be hyperbole I'd also like to ask where people are getting the gear 2nd 5x multiplier from.
haki does correlate with your speed shown with kata vs luffy and rayleighs explanation of haki, also its the haki tipped into the arrow which the scaling still applies. also it wouldnt be a hyperbole due to other feats supporting it
@@Tylearn it might effect reaction speed. Not travel speed nor the speed of your attacks(as far as I know) And what I was saying was that the boost would be addition instead of multiplication. If the arrow was 1 and turned into a 150, an attack that's a 2 would be a 151 and not a 300.
It does though as we know that by the end of the fight they couldn’t use observation cause they wasn’t calm or whatever, it should most definitely boost your physical speed since base Luffy crippled and with barely any haki can tag Katakuri more then g4 ever could initially
Gear 2nd's 5x multiplier most likely comes from Enies Lobby where Luffy couldn't beat Blueno in base but could with G2 and Lucci's Doriki is five times Bluenoe's. But its most likely a 10x multiplier since Lucci's Hybrid form is at minimum a 2x multipler would make it 10x Bluenoes Doriki
Why the fuck would you use haki as a multiplier like that? Haki ads strength to the arrow it doesnt multiply it sure the strength added might've made the arrow 150 times stronger but it may only make a punch like 2 or 3 times stronger as the haki is added on top of the attack and doesnt multiply the base attack
Who ever you got for the naruto side did the hokage dirty. Ignores several hax that was useful for the kage [reaper death seal, shadow possession, Sage mode etc.] And upscaling the speed for OP but giving the minimum scaling for the Dodging the Raikage feats is sinister. The calc goes 77xs Ftl lowballed 8K xs FTL higher end. Using the 77 in a debate the other side is upscaling 2k ftl is telling. Hashirama, Hirazen, and Minato each scale around each other and to the full 9tails easily which is beyond Planetary and this video could've been fair to both parties
After seeing some of your other Naruto vs One Piece content I know to take this with a grain of salt. And now I know your way of scaling and it is skewed toward One Piece. The massive speed difference is not there. The only people who believe this use multipliers of which Naruto has bigger multipliers which completely destroys your argument as if you include both multipliers then Naruto characters kage and above kinda just neg One Piece. Easily MFTL with Edo Madara scaling and the stronger kage would dwarf Orochimaru who is already FTL. If we use the fact that Orochimaru can be fought by Naruto in base then we can start upscaling Naruto characters with multipliers which Hashirama can scale to some of Naruto’s higher forms which instantly allows him to neg One Piece. This would go for speed as well. A light fruit isn’t gonna be enough.
OP fans coping hard since their verse is the only one from the OG verses who doesn't have any definitive planetary opponents nor blatantly said that they are at planetary level. OP fans would stretch it (pun intended) very hard for them to scale to DBZ levels when in fact even in the Narutoverse, they would still get rekt HARD.
Ninjas are masters of trickery and indirect combat. Even if i thought they way the scaling wasnt bs. The hokage aren't likely to run straight up and attack. So evaluating this like it would be a slugfest is weird. Also it seems like u decided who matches up with who based on who you thought would give the advantage to the admirals. Its kinda sketchy. If this they were all fighting in the same place at once, its mostly the case that the hokage would dictate who fights who and when.
Yeah I'd have to agree with all of this! One thing though for that last fight... I guess it's not too important though because Kizaru still has so many other tricks up his sleeve, but... His attacks can only travel in straight lines unless reflected off of various surfaces. That fact would literally be the only saving grace Minato would have to let him most likely last a bit longer against the admiral.. Yup.. I'd have to agree though! All the Admirals are just crazy powerful when it comes to anime in general haha!
@@Ricardorhino88 That regeneration would use their chakra or the chakra of the one who reanimated them. Meaning there's also a finite number of times that they can regenerate. ..Whereas the original Admirals in One Piece are all Logia Devil Fruit users and can regenerate an infinite number of times.
Minato isn't really fast he just throws a lot kunai that has his mark on them and teleports to them which was shown when he fought against killer bee honestly don't know how Naruto copied his technique when he didn't have the marked kunai or even know how to do it but then later just forget about it in current Boruto
@TheKNightOwl no it wouldn't do you even know how reanimation works or did you even watch the show bud ,they have endless regeneration and chakra that can last for infinitely and tire out the admirals...the reanimated hokage can take as long as they want to tire out the admirals 🤣🤣plus even after the summoner dies the reanimated ninja keep on fighting???
@@OPIUM_-10 admirals are weak dude they are frauds… they have no feats. Besides you know… losing to whitebeard who was sick asf and old as shit and beating ace who only died because he saved luffy and was starved and tortured at marineford for a month and also was still damaged from Blackbeard fight but oh well…
@@524ti Did he ever blow a planet during the series? No, he didn't, so don't exaggerate his feats. Narutards really think Naruto characters are planet busters.
your right it isint close and i kinda feel bad for the admirals because tobirama knows reanimation jutsu that can bring people back to life making them immortal and have access to unlimited chakra meaning they cant get tired. thats not something you can really beat now is it.
Just kill Tobirama before he can use it. Or does the Jutsu end when the user die(I don't remember now). If I remember it correctly Tobirama stated that his reanimation was far less complete than the one Orochiramu used to resurrect them
@@morps47 oh okay I wasn't sure about it. And killing Tobirama won't be that hard when you catch him when he is casting the Jutsu cause he either stop casting it or he will die
One pieces characters are well known for fighting for days akainu and aokiji fought for 10 and none of the reanimations are even gonna be capable of bypassing logia abilities
The haki speed scaling made no sense, but hashirama bodies akainu, let him "turn into a volcano" it won't matter the shinsu senju statue would simultaneously damage and sap his energy, and he can't run, hashirama controls every single fist and where they land, and on top of that worlding flower could poison and kill him and let's say none of that work, diety gates would completely seal akainu.
If we equalize chakra and haki then why can’t the hokage use genjutsu, like in the novels Hashirama uses a one that takes away a persons sight in the Orochimaru hiruzen fight
Kaido jumps off from 10km height and doesn't hurt him much. Akainu endured several mega quakes to his head and still was good to go. Yes, Naruto can destroy the moon. But if you consider the size of Whitebeard mega quakes and moon is much smalller than earth, also can shatter. we are talking about 72 year old geezer with heart disease and sword stab to the chest. Imagine prime Xebec or prime Roger. Imagine prime Luffy. There is a good reason for the huge ocean sink hole through the earth til the other side of the planet. This being said, some of the marines are equal to all time top tier pirates. That is admiral level.
I really love op verse logic, " you don't have haki. You can't hurt them" . Wonder who will wins between that and bleach verse logic, "they are soul. you can't even see/feel them"
Kizaru to MFTL is the most BS thing I've heard. Kizaru attacks with literal light, light can't be faster than light yet you have his light attacks as massively faster than light itself? Kizaru's logia attacks are easily SoL by pure common sense. You're also really hyping up speed as an end all be all stat. While a character can outspeed another one for an advantage, this advantage is minor and doesn't last long as the one at a speed disadvantage can easily play around it for their own benefit (Polnareff vs Hanged Man) and the one who's faster won't be able to consistently outspeed for long (Goku vs Broly), especially considering in this case, Hashirama physically outclasses Akainu. Through verse equalization logia nullification isn't taken into consideration, and if it was you can argue chakra laced attacks can still harm logia users like how haki does since both are spiritual energy in some way. Taking attacks like Hashirama's 1000 armed Buddha, I don't see Akainu lasting. Sure Aokiji beats Tobirama, but it isn't truly easy. Tobirama is a battle genius and is never taken down easily. With the help of shadow clones and as the most talented suiton user in Naruto and literal teleportation, Aokiji won't have it easy. Hiruzen has one of the best stamina feats here, he fought 3 kage level opponents as a senile old man for hours continuously, and 2 of his opponents weren't random people either, literally Hashirama and Tobirama. I also think you're downplaying the arsenal of the leaf in terms of ninjutsu. Hiruzen as a weakened edo while dividing his chakra to 4 other clones matched the gedo mazo's nature five way strike with simple techniques of those respective chakra natures. Let alone him using fireball jutsu, water dragon,... who are respectively some of the strongest jutsus of their nature. Minato vs Kizaru is by far the easiest win for the kage side here. As I mentioned before, Kizaru uses literal light for his attacks. Light can't be MFTL, light is light, the light Kizaru uses is no different than the light produced by any natural source, that would make his attacks SoL. Minato at a young age blitzed both A and B with ease, was fast enough to pick up a kunai from his pouch, drop it, teleport away, teleport back and pin down A all while A is going all out striking at him. On top of that with Minato's rasengan and LITERAL KCM 2 (seeing as we're using the kage from that timeframe) Kizaru is getting bodied.
Well using common sense if pts zoro reacts to light speed attacks and he scales wayyyy lower than kizaru then kizaru is definitely multiple times faster than light
Slower characters than kizaru have blitzed other characters who have easily perceived lightspeed attacks based on his light fruit. So it's "common sense" that kizaru would be FTL despite being light.
physical stats in one piece are bizarre since from the start, alabasta zoro could lift an entire building on his back and this zoro isn't even a fodder comparable to top tiers, he is more like an ant
I will be honest Idk where tf was luffy stated to be faster then light or white beard or for anybody except kizaru who is the fastest character in One Piece verse. and I do not think that any character in One piece is faster then light since Kizaru is fastest and is light speed it's his whole thing.
no the one piece world is 2x the size of our sun so if u destroy a big island there then yea so all the admirals are planetary cause 1 million earths can fit in our sun but 2 million earths can fit in op earth so yea all admirals are planetary to multi planetary
@@kolli963if the one piece planet was twice the the size of the sun the sheer gravity would make the planet an uninhabitable wasteland where not even water could exist and there has been no island in the series that can be compared to the size of a planet keep dreaming
I think the one piece speed scaling is way off, that’s what gets me. Any action an admiral has made besides kizaru traveling at light speed we (the audience) and normal characters have been able to perceive. Meanwhile the movement of many of the hokages had to be slow moed or explained contextually to justify their actions because of their speed
Personally I don’t think anyone in one peice or naruto are really light speed: most of the top fighters in both use precog to dodge fast attacks. Allowing them to dodge or keep up
I mean even if we tone down their speed a little Observation Haki is still a the main problem for the kages. The Admirals are the top tier so their Observation Haki is will be also ridiculous high tier compare to other characters.
It doesn’t matter if it’s magma against wood style hashirama went against LAVA WATER FIRE all the elements yet it coudnt break wood style so I belive hashirama vs akanui
@@Wrk10_ Hashirama made a forest and then some without even trying. Fire is also MUCH hotter than lava(sometimes), especially if Madara is the one doing it.
@@step1saysomethingcontrover320 hashirama did that using chakra, which unless you’re naruto is somewhat limited, akainu can produce magma (which yes it is hotter than fire, literally says in the anime)and fire isn’t doing anything to him as well
@@step1saysomethingcontrover320 also, what makes you think some flame jutsu is going to do anything when ace (who had the mera mera no mi) couldn’t do anything to him
@@Wrk10_ There's no way you just compared a donut with a God. Madara hurt tailed beasts which can destroy countries if they tried. He made the Nine Tails his dog, a being which can turn the world to ash, and he considered his fire style strong enough to compare to the Nine Tails which can survive multiple bijuu bombs itself that can vaporize continents from the face of the Earth. And you think anyone in One Piece casually has those feats? Get davuk outta he'a
Hashirama's wood style is so strong that it can tank a tailed beast bomb and redirect it and you think a lava would just melt it are you kidding me are you sure you watch Naruto and also he can just do deep forest emergency and fill the whole area with poison gas
hashirama can't touch akainu anyway like you realize that nothing a character in naruto can do to kill akainu in other verses he is practically immortal because attacks faze through him
@@sinoxolombovane5455 maybe not but its not that hashirama can hurt akainu but akainu is still capable of destroying the wood but it wouldn't be as easy as mentioned in the video
@@jaybronx98 this specific creator is known for their One Piece bias, and they argue that they're not by sprinkling in a few small feats to act like they know the Naruto characters.
@@dgrogan8423 exactly😂 anyone could sprinkle some fun fact feats but the fact that doesn’t go as deep into detail as he does with one piece scaling and just brushes off or ignores naruto character feats shows how obvious his bias is lol
Always one piece fan comes up with this number 😂😂😂 2700x lightspeeed wtf no living thing can reach that. However, when you are under genjutsu, you can say anything
@@WinterSupernova39 so raikage light speed , when onoki amp him was faster , edo madara was faster and edo hashirama was relative to edo madara and alive hashirama is faster and stronger
You do realise that 2700xlight means they could move to any point of the planet instantly? No, not even planet. Galaxes ChatGPT explanation: If it were somehow possible to move at 2700x the speed of light without breaking the laws of physics, you'd be able to traverse enormous distances almost instantaneously. For example, you could reach the nearest galaxy, Andromeda, in less than a second! It would revolutionize everything from space exploration to communication. However, such speeds would likely pose extreme risks, like running into cosmic debris, or disrupting the fabric of spacetime itself. But hey, we're in the realm of pure speculation here. It's mind-blowingly fast, senpai! 🌠
The other fights aren't very fair but Minato vs Kizaru is actually VERY close imo. We know that Minato has FTL reaction speeds, duh, so Kizaru's light specific attacks would mostly get dodged. Kizaru would make his light sword and fight with that for most of the fight , because for actual combat speed his physical body is faster, as shown when he fought Rayleigh. Kizaru would not be able to casually blitz Minato, that just ain't happening. Kizaru's AP is also pretty similar to Minato's Biju Bombs, so this fight is HELLA even. TBH we just need to see more feats from Kizaru to definitely prove who would win. Every other fight would go pretty much how u said. Akainu vs Hashirama is hella close tho.
If you really think about it this fight is not close. Minato has to access light speed. Kizaru is light. They are not the same. Kizaru is much faster and has more stamina since it takes no chakra or energy for him to use light feats. Minato couldnt touch kizaru… LITERALLY.
Well what I think is the easiest way to "debunk" the kizaru light speed attacks is the fact that something moving at light speed like his fist or just a beam of energy or what ever his attacks are could potential destroy planet depending on what it is, for example if a tooth pick moved at light speed and hit the earth it would bigger than the world largest atom bomb. And then people say 4000 times the speed of light, it just is not plausible, and don't get me started on pixel measuring.
I agree the pixel measuring was kind of shit but don't put real world logic into an anime where furries exist, a doctor abuses drugs to become a giant, and a funny rubber man acts like a cartoon. By that logic, every step that Naruto takes while attacking Kaguya should have ended the planet
Madara is way over plantery lvl and hashirama defeated many times other wise kaido someone stronger than akainu is only continental lvl, hashirama has mastered all 5 chakra elements.
Madara without the Juubi is Large Country LMAO. And all the Admirals are at east Multi-Continent - Moon Level. You have no real way of getting EMS or Sage Mode Madara to Planetary. 💀💀💀
9:00 Akainu's Devil Fruit was stated in the Vivre Cards databooks to have one of the greatest, if not the greatest, offensive power in the entire series which was never ever said about Whitebeard's Gura Gura no Mi neither by Sengoku nor Whitebeard nor even Blackbeard although both Enel and Blackbeard's Devil Fruits were stated to be the most powerful (Teach said his Devil Fruit was considered the most powerful while Laki said Enel's Devil Fruit was the most powerful logia and Robin said it was one of the few Devil Fruits considered unrivaled, probably along with Akainu's, Whitebeard's and Blackbeard's).
@@nekoasna8807 Don Chinjao was able to split a continent with 1 attack and considering the fact that One Piece planet is bigger than ours, that feat can even fall into multi-continent tier. Also Chinjao only used 2nd level of armament haki, while there are 4 levels or armament. Luffy one-shot Chinjao who at the time was like around 10x weaker, but after that Luffy gets different transformations and power boosts, which boost his AP and so now, Luffy should be continental or maybe even multi-continental in base and he is not even the strongest character.
If kizaru was that fast, why would he be afraid of ben beckman's gun, and in the film OP RED, kizaru's speed can be matched by shanks.🤣 Are bullets faster than light? 😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣
@@sikancil7957 Well Ben is a yonko commander of the red haired pirates. So obviously kizaru would view him as someone to not take so lightly. Similar to how Blackbeard was startled when Rayleigh pulled out his sword( due to his immense haki and the fact that Blackbeard knows who Rayleigh even is ). Also you cant use film red due to that not even being canon so that scaling is a little wonky. But saying kizaru was afraid wouldn’t really make that a feat for Ben. It’s more of kizaru actually knowing who Ben is and doesn’t want to get into another fight( similar to how sengoku decided not to fight shank ).
@@CluelessMonkeyKing So why do OP fans always argue that kizaru is like this, kizaru is like that, Kizaru is better than minato. In fact, kizaru is not that fast, he is even afraid of guns. Meanwhile, minato is not afraid of biju dama. 🤣🤣🤣🤣
I know you’ve said in recent videos that scaling One Piece vs Naruto had gotten a little repetitive, but would it be feasible for you to compare lower tier characters, ie Chunin vs Marine officers, Jonin vs Captains, etc?
@@adnanbashirabdi9627 vice admirals r equal to high jonins jonins r basically marines. vice admirals aernt that strong but they r stronger than normal jonins for a fact.
@@adnanbashirabdi9627 enel is minato level. people like hawkins xdrake ulti urouge and others r island level max. and they r high captains. they r to good for normal jonins.
this is pure bullshit, you forget that hashirama can use a gigantic wood beast scaling to that of the perfect susanoo which the susanoo one taps literal mountains, additionally hashirama doesn't need to hit or kill the admirals to win, hashirama can simply seal them away by using even summoned remote seals. EVEN FURTHER hashiramas sage art wouldn't even allow him to be hit as he would be too regenerative and at moving fast paced. and whats this about hashirama being slow? just cause he can't teleport doesn't mean he loses to aakainu which btw akainu is slower then hashirama who can pretty much blitz the entire one piece verse not too mention you summon meteros on top of hashirama his wood would blow it away instantly anyway? maybe scale hashirama to his exact level before saying hes gonna get clapped
Hashirama is NOT blitzing the entire one piece verse. That statement alone invalidates your entire argument. It shows you can't be taken seriously. Stop talking out of your ass
light speed taken for nothing here, talking about characters moving 40xLS sounds a bit too ridiculous. Moving on LS is like teleportation and here it's taken for bare minimum for speed stats
For all the one piece fans downplaying the kage pls stop💀.like hashirama literally is stated to be the god of shinboi hashirama fought both madara and kumra and both these characters are planetary. Kumra in the offical databook was stated to have earth shattering power and in the next has the power to turn the world to ash 💀.like stop being biases honeslty
This whole video is a "tell me your biased without telling me your biased" you did a great job going into depth on the admirals but barely went into any detail on the HoKage for example Tobirama who is able to use flying thunder god is able to move at the speed of light or faster and minato is able to teleport instantaneously you completely over looked those facts and downplayed them Tobirama also is able to bring back the dead and make them unkillable you also overlooked the fact Hashirama was able to seal every tailed beast INCLUDING THE 4 TAILS SON GOKU which is the strongest being in the naruto verse to use lava release able to create volcanos and spit massive volcanic boulders and hashirama was still able to seal it completely so your whole fire vs grass argument goes straight out the window also from his regeneration factor and being able to use all 5 elements and being one of the strongest in each element Hashirama stomps, your whole speed of light kizaru vs INSTANTANEOUS SPEED is not even an argument Kizaru would get completely speed blitzed no question again Minato stomps you over looked so many factors that completely change the course of every battle its actually hilarious please next time do more research before making a sorry excuse of a vs battle this was extremely obviously biased glazing the admirals and barely bringing up any of the major capabilities the Hokage have
why are you giving multipliers to the Admirals and not the Hokage. multipliers are the most wost were of speed scaling, because you can get people to millions of times the speed of light while they didn't show, stated, or implied they could move that fast
I mean fuji was literally heavily suppressing himself to every ones lvl he fought but this head cannon but I think fuji would defiantly scale to the other if he was serious but with feats I yeah he doesn’t really compare
@@yhwach6878 debatable and that requires a set up before hand. If the rajin kunai gets destroyed then all he can is mark terrain which fujitora will definitely catch on to.
"And if you don't believe me, join my discord so my inner circle of clowns and I can show you our straight bias as to why we're right and nothing you say matters". Lmao every fucking channel ever when someone does a powerhouse match up but this guy did say one thing right, Admirals stomp Hokage any day
Hashirama, Minato, and tobirama had almost all chakra natures so the "disadvantages" on the magma vs wood and ice vs water didn't make sense. Hashirama fought both Madara and kurama at the same time then fought Madara by himsef then won And if I'm not mistaken truth seeking orbs are alot faster than anything any admiral can do and Minato out sped them while helping guy so he can definitely dodge kizarus' attacks Orochimaru said that if it wasn't for hiruzens old adhe he could've beaten him. Hiruzen fought off tobirama and hashirama with the help of his summon You didn't mention that all of the kage except for kakashi and tobirama (if you count 100 healings as sage mode) had sage mode and perfected it thus boosting their stats Hashiramas Buddha statue has some more damage than anything anyone in one piece (except kaido) has done The kage's are also more strategic than the admirals Other ------------------- Hashirama had genjutsu at his disposal. Had plenty of summons and was a jinchuriki. Has more chakra than Naruto. Tobirama fought the gold and silver brothers both had karma's chakra and won. Broke from his reincarnation jutsu. Great sensor ninja. Had space time ninjutsu. Also had plenty of summons Hiruzen could hold off the nine tails. He fought the first and second hokage. Also had plenty of summons Minato beat tobi and the nine tails(technically). Wiped out an army. Was a sage. Was a jinchuriki. Can seal anything also had many summons In other words the hokage slam and the admirals can't really do anything about it ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
So why didn't they use that versatility against madara? Why didn't the truth seeking orbs beat faster Characters? What is the fastest speed feats of Naruto Characters? The fastest Characters ONLY scale AT or BELOW lightspeed
The problem is that the elements they SPECIALIZE in are directly countered by the admirals Tobirama specializes in Water- Aokiji can freeze entire oceans for weeks on end so Tobirama couldn't use any water jutsu Minato- FTG- All the admirals besides Fujitora are logia types and Kizaru's ability is literally light so he can outspeed him Hashirama- Wood style Akainu will melt everything Hashirama creates so he couldn't use wood style if he wanted to Hiruzen- Hiruzen is special because idk if he really has any special style Kakashi specializes in lightning and none of the admirals counter that And Tsunade doesn't really use ninjutsu to attack so she's gonna get shat on the hardest seeing as all of them besides Fujitora are untouchable and he can control gravity so he could just make her heavy enough to sink into the ground
@@TWLSoyumathey’re brainless they have absolutely no idea what they’re talking about, just trying to defend their wittle anime that they think makes them special for liking 🥺
Bro, when these rankers start mentioning speed of light like it's like it's a normal thing to do, I sometimes think that they're joking But no Zoro is 18x faster than light🤡🤡 What, can he travel in time too Oh he can find the one piece in 1 second he speed blitz the Universe too bunch o clowns be doing calculation writers don't even do😂😂
Bro it's anime why are you questioning the logistics and reality of the speed of light 💀 There are people in one piece who can make earthquakes out of thin air and summon meteors and You're focused on the speed of light bruh
Yeah, Look guys. I am big fan of one piece. To One piece is the best Shonen. But i think this was a bit stupid. To be Honest, Admirals are not that strong ok. This should Yonkos vs Hokage, instead of Admirals. I think these Admirals are really overrated. They are strong, but they are not beating Hokages.
my boy have you even watched op cuz if you have you should know that he only people the admirals can't beat in a 1v1 are the yanks and saying that the admirals are weak is kinda stupid
1. Deep forestation, regeneration, can heal without any hand sign. Would’ve died to Madara if that mf wasn’t practically immortal💀amaterasu got nothing on Hashirama but lava will? 4. Minato is there for blood can mark an enemy. He starts off full power and kizaru never shown to fully try unless his opponent “hurts him”
"Haki increases speed" because the Kuja stated that she could dodge Luffy's Gatling thanks to the power of Haki.... that is not just Observation Haki? The same thing happened in Skypiea. She just used precog to dodge his punches, she did not get faster.
A man who’s chakra wooden style tanks Biju bombs and treats tailed beasts like pets loses to a dude with magma🙄you guys should watch both shows properly and the hax involved , besides that strategy is the biggest factor , seals , summoning , clones e.tc
"Fujitora doesnt have feats" *summons massive meteor from sky large enough to crush half of dressarosa*
Blud thinks he is madara
@giftbaseme7198 wtf are u smoking lmao
@giftbaseme7198he does it like it's nothing tho. We haven't seen his biggest move yet
Bro really said "what will you do about the second meteor, Law?"
Lol Madara can do better with a flex
Anime fans seeing a yellow beam: “OMG! He dodged that beam that was 500x the speed of light
Right man😭 light is the fastest thing in the universe kizaru would be the only one who scales to light speed
That's what i'm saying
It's always so funny how they mention speed of light like it's average speed🤣🤣
Literally lmao this stuff keeps making me laugh how they keep making all these light speed shit like bro do research into what light speed actually is and what is required literally no one is one piece is light speed not even kizaru since he has a second where he has to cast the ability or charge it before he can move from A to B at light speed
@@archangel0dvn i mean if it's fiction it's okay if they move at light speed but they fight for days sometimes if they were anything near light speed they should end there fights in like 2-3mn
@@haro6025
Even Shanks was able to catch Kizaru which makes him mftl
Kizaru may be light but there is a fact in one piece that their natural df can be extended or awakened through usage
Base pre time skip luffy with no haki was able to dodge kuma's light beams
Kuma moved at mftl speed in thriller bark arc
Sanji moves so fast that even STRONG ADVANCED observation haki can't detect hum which makes mftl easily
Obs haki is capable of granting the user the capability to react to ftl attacks
The way you explained the Logia ability is a bit wrong. Logia users don´t morph in to their element, it is a passive ability. And Katakuri is not a logia user
Edit: okay even after a year maybe some clarification is needed. I meant to say that logias don't have to consciously morph, as it acts as a reflex. We have seen that multiple times and never did a logic get hit because they didn't pay attention
Edit 2: Jesus stop with these brain dead arguments. Luffy being able to touch smoker and ace in that one scene doesn’t disprove my point as it falls in with Naomi being able to hurt luffy. It’s a fucking gag moment before halo was a thing. However the point also doesn’t work for you because ace could have turned into fire and avoid being hit by smoker. So stop yapping I am right and you are not! Have a great day
Katakuri's fruit becomes logia with observation haki
Edit: for the love of god people, y'all don't need to correct me, i ALREADY KNOW, just scroll down.
@@Codyslx katakuri fruit is special pameciia.at first it was stated to be logia but later changed
@@Codyslx being immune to any kind of damage except haki kaeroseki or special weaknesses (like water for crok/rubber for enel) doesnt make the fruit logia. all logia powers are force of nature like powers. a logia fruit like fire for example doesnt just give you fire abilitys and immunity you become the living manifestation of fire. also logia users dont have energy cost problems like paramecia types.
@@janlabrenz2817 I could have sword katakuri's fruit underwent logia like properties when he used observation, guess i was wrong.
This is kinda of bias because he spent most of the time talking about one piece and a few minutes to talk about Naruto bro this is not even funny hokage or way stronger
Katakuri isn't a logia. Hes a paramecia. He looks into the future and uses his paramecia to make sure his attacks that are coming won't affect him.
Katakuri fruit works exactly like a logia. He changes his body, also regenerating and arm, At one point.
He uses haki to morph his body so he can avoid haki infused attacks aka all of luffy attacks
Had he fought an opponent that doesn’t use haki he’ll just turn intangible.
It was even stated to be a logia originally
Oda retconned it to special paramecia because mochi is not a natural element.
Logia fruits are natural elements
@@nineten9011 He never regenerated his arm. He shifts the properties of it so it was never damaged in the first place
He doesn’t use Haki to “morph” his body. He looks into the future and make his body work like a logia to dodge all of the incoming attacks
He is a paramecia so he isn’t intangible at all. If he fought an opponent without Haki and the opponent got a hit in on him he wouldn’t turn intangible.
@@EDP345 yes he would be intangible the fruit was literally a logia, till oda retconned it to “special paramecia” an extremely rare exception among paramecia
Katakuri morphed his structure by transforming into his element multiple times, where did his arm go then if it was injured? Katakuri transformed into mochi to avoid black mamba, do you think if you punch katakuri without haki it’ll hurt him?
Because oda wanted logia fruits to remain naturally occurring elements
Akainu in Marin Ford did the same thing as katakuri with future sight while fighting vista and Marco to avoid getting hit. Same as aokiji opening up a hole to avoid whitebeard haki.
Thing is everyone in the new world has haki, so logia intangibility powers without future sight is useless
This is seriously a misconception among the fanbase
@SILENT FLASH Yeah, but you're wrong cause when he lost focuse he started getting hit and that's not something a logia has to worry about
@@nineten9011 but it is not a logia though.
And yes it would hurt Kat. Kats durability is trash asf. He got hit a total of 13 times by Luffy and lost.
1 day of fighting
Hokage: “Dang it we’re out of chakra”
Admirals: “already?”
And still, how can they hurt logia
@@thinhnguyenuc5973 sage mode os also natrul energy like haki so maybe
yep i mean akuinu and alkeji fought for four days sorry for bad spelling
@@thinhnguyenuc5973 many ways, elemental weaknesses,sealing jutsu,reaper death jutsu etc
The downplay of the kage is crazy💀💀💀
Whitebeard was not the worlds strongest man at that point it’s just the title he got when he was in his prime
@Mingo “I can’t be the strongest forever”
@Mingo yeah but he was sick and also he wasn’t really fighting the whole time marinford happened. Technically shanks was the strongest in there
@Mingo bruh he was called the world strongest man alive after gol d rogers death
but his df power doesn't get nerfed
@@garomoster8824 Nope...wb was already the strongest man in the world when roger was active.... literally stated in databook/vivre card
“Tobirama could just send a wave”
Aokiji: “ice age”
madara speed blitzes them all. this op debate is bs. just rng numbers pulled out of oda's ahh, while in the show we can clearly see how weak they actually are. it's so dumb ong
@@dandanyellow ur sayin this debate is bs but ur the one bringin in madara lmfao, and madara aint blitzin no one bozo
@@imanhewamanage731 yh yh stay mad. that's why everyone hates mid piece fans. u only know how to d*ckride, u re also blinded by how bad the pacing is, they literally drag the manga so hard, that's why they make 3 episodes out of one chapter. imagine that. besides, fan service at maximum is one big reason why u love the series that much, and also u can't admit that, why ? u got ur answer "bozo" 💀
@@dandanyellow this dude got trigger but his comments is more bs 😂 funny guy
@@zeiken4021 nah your comment is bs, base chopper would neg that fodder L writing character
Few things I wanna say.
Hiruzen doesn't have bad stamina, he was fighting for an hour with 3 hokage level characters and had a mental nerf.
Also, seeing as he has every jutsu in the village, you could possibly say. He has something like the 8th gates or shadow possession jutsu, he called the professor so he might have looked into them.
Yeah but an hour of fighting is nothing to a one piece character
Aokiji and Akinu once fought for 7 whole days straight without stopping
@@thechadyboi6691 My post wasn't about who wins here. It's a correction on the video, I don't know One Piece very well
@@marcus7984 ay just fixing one of your mistakes lad don’t worry about it
@@thechadyboi6691 it's actually 10 days
@@D__634 ay thanks I couldn't remember if it was ace vs janabi was 7 or 10 or was it akainu vs aokiji was 7 or 10
This guy said pacifists lasers are 18x the speed of light Bro got the goofy ah scaling fruit
😂😂😂
even kizaru himself rarely moves at the speed of light . I had to end the video after seeing this take
@@Ochwada377🤦♂️people like this just listen to the take and never look at the evidence
Your power scaling math sucks. Its way to literal. I m not a naruto fan btw, but the haki multiplier is reaaaaaaaaaally dumb and exagerated
The “speed” definitions are insane
The main issue with this vid is how massively highballed the speed was for One Piece. Using that haki multiplier for speed has a couple issues:
1. We don't know how strong the Kuja are without it, so getting a multiplier based off that is faulty at best.
2. Haki has not been shown to give a speed boost. Armament gives an amp to the characters AP, except that every feat from them likely uses haki already. Observation doesn't amp their physical speed, just let's them react better. Conqueror's also hasn't been shown to amp stats aside from AP.
So, really, the speed figures given for the Admirals would be 150x lower than you gave, putting them at 18x FTL, while the Hokage would scale significantly higher, given that they were generally able to keep pace with KCM2 Naruto in the war in terms of speed, which would place them at unquantifiably above 77x FTL. Then, they also scale to be Planetary due to them all being able to box Kurama, who is stated to be able to turn the world to ash with only half his being. Hiruzen could box Kurama, and did during the attack when Minato sealed him. Minato is also able to box Kurama, and even split him in two. Hashirama boxed all 9 Biju and then handed them out like candy, and Tobirama is heavily implied to be stronger than Hiruzen and Minato in terms of raw power.
Fun fact Observation doesnt let them React faster. it lets them SEE the attacks. since all of them own advanced stages of this type of Haki. Katakuri was shown to see 5 seconds into the Future.
I agree the one piece scaling made no sense but kcm2 narutois nowhere near 77x the speed of light. He's more like 1.5x the speed of light. And one piece characters aren't 18x ftl either.
@@smalltrashman4227 I was using his numbers for that.
@@thatonguy2407 Ah okay okay. Yeah you're right though lol the haki speed scaling makes no sense.
Exactly
Madara = continental
Full kurama = planetary
Hashirama fought both at the same time and won, even though Sakazuki is a logia, hashirama has all Chakra natures and we know elemental match ups can counter a logia, he also has better regen that tsunade who was cut in half and just didn't die and while the Sakazuki is way faster, sage mode offers a level of precognition(it may no be enough for hashirama to keep up with him but it will prevent instant speed blitzing)
Madara and Hashirama were said to be relative even before Madara used Kurama, so I wouldn’t say the power gap between Madara and Kurama is that much
kurama isn't fuckin plantery wtf are u smoking kid
Well sais
My only problem with this statement is that none of these attacks would be able to bypass the intangibility that comes with logias like haki especially when it comes to the ones admirals hv
Few things wrong with this
Idk why people forget but hasirama literally has no trouble with any of the tailed beasts because wood realse literally suppresses their chakra
And yes their are elemental counters but the only time we have ever seen these counters were water and rubber
And we haven't seen any other elemental counters so we dont even know there are any more
And lastly a little fact, logias dont allow the user to morph and control a element they actually become that element
You see devil fruits work by recoding the genetic structure of anyone that eats the fruits
So someone that eats the magu magu no mi doesn't just get the ability to become magma
They are literally doen to the genetic level the element themselves
Okay, you got some stuff wrong: logia users physically become their respective elements, it’s not something they do consciously. This means any non Haki coated attacks will pass right through then and they will be unharmed.
Also, saying Fujitora is obviously weaker than all the other admirals is down right wrong since he has displayed much more competency in his combative capabilities than Kizaru and I’d argue his DF is actually better than some of the others. Sure he’s not a logia user however if you can control gravity you’re going to win most fights
And one more thing, unless you have Haki or sea stone you cannot hit the logia users. You allowing them to do it simply to make it “fair” gives the wrong impression to viewers who might not be as well informed about one piece
To be fair he did say the admirals would win easily despite nerfing them, but yeah he shouldn't assume chakra would work on logia powers like haki can considering they are very different power systems
Whitebeard's fruit is able to destroy the world while Fujitora could very well summon the meteor that made dinosaurs go extinct.
You guys do realize that if you wanna go on facts tobirama could literally just summon a wave to turn off all of their devil fruits and kill then instantly
@@limeexplains177 "Tobirama could summon a wave" Kuzan aint letting that happen big dawg
@@chairofwisdom6210 I mean like it would take out the admirals for him so him and Blackbeard don’t have to
Speed for the kage was low balled Significantly
I swear, do they forget that kid Sasuke was already faster than sound.
@@samthediscusser19 They were way faster than that
@@samthediscusser19 bro watch his other videos the admirals/YONKO were calculated to be over 500x faster than light and your talking about the speed of sound 💀
@@FJUVHJDSR Haku was light speed in the FIRST ARC of Naruto as explained for how his ability works. Imagine how fast they are now? Bet you didnt bother looking for calcs for that since it would destroy your POV.
@@FJUVHJDSR bro what Tf 500× speed of light thats too much , I mean like these youtuber do whatever Theoretical Calculation just to prove their character strong...
Like if they have this much speed why they are still in continental & planetary level. Even galactic level things barely have that much speed. ☠️☕
My biggest problem is that one piece scaling is completely wonky due to oda retconing things. The reason white beard was hit wasn’t from some durability and armament haki negging ability, but that the rules of haki weren’t fully defined yet. That’s it, plain and simple.
Also, there are so many anti feats for one piece characters as well it makes their scaling extremely hard to do.
Naruto isn’t perfect either, but it makes a lot more sense overall Imo, although there are def some inconsistencies
Luffy lost to a dude with a water bucket
Oh yeah….like how Naruto didn’t totally retcon the entire Akatsuki, seven swordsmen, and several former Kage in order to scale them to be reasonably on the same battlefield as Naruto, Juubito, Sasuke, Minato etc.
Like my guy, every long form story has a degree of retconing due to the evolution of the author(s).
@@JS-sv3fk the big difference is that after the retcons, we comfortably know where naruto characters scale. I can pretty confidently say where each character scales in terms of strength and speed. But yes absolutely people like hashirama were retconned. Heck, danzo didn’t even exist in og naruto.
In one piece, people seem to still not fully understand where exactly everyone scales, and people scale vastly different from one scene to another. There are countless examples I could give of this, whereas in naruto the number is much less and there’s usually one example that the fan base agrees takes precedence
@@JS-sv3fk thank you
If you think naruto is any better concerning retcons you’re smoking crack. Madara who has regen and is the most hyped villian in naruto gets one shot by zetsu?? FODDER ZETSU?! Gtfo.
They left out half the hokage just so the admirals would have a chance 😂 if we were including DMS Kakashi and Naruto it wouldnt even be a conversation
I mean, duh, he’s going for even numbers so four admirals vs 7 hokage would be stupid
Kakashi wasn’t even hokage when he had DMS. Pointless bringing that up considering he lost them too.
If you want that Kakashi against an admiral, wouldn’t Naruto as a kid or even newborn be fair game? I’m also fairly certain this is just focusing on the first 4 Hokage.
I agree that Tsunade would’ve absolutely destroyed the Admirals.
@@RobertMcBride-is-cool No she wouldn't. All she has are punching and kicking attacks. Things that the Admirals hard counter. She gets destroyed.
Naruto character after they spam 5 skill : ah no we out of charka!
While kainu vs aokiji : 10 days
Ace vs jinbei 5 days.
Alternate title: Hashirama vs 4 Admirals
Or in other words
Akainu vs the 4 hokage
@@thechadyboi6691 no, not at all. He’d get folded in that case
@@demontiming3234 proof?
@@emitruoydetsawtsuji7663 Hashirama fought both Madara and The Nine Tails at the same time. The Nine Tails is scaled to planetary. Madara scales to The Nine Tails. So Hashirama 2v1’d them and won using hax and matching their power. Minato is the fastest on the battlefield beyond Kizaru. But I don’t think Kizaru’s speed is gonna be much of a problem, considering the fact that Haku is confirmed light speed with his mirrors. And the genin in OG Naruto surpassed that.
Not to mention the Kage all have a elemental jutsu and hax that they strategically use. If Hashirama just immediately seals Akainu the the fights over. And we know that he is fully capable of doing so and for sure will. Every time we see Hashirama fight he uses sealing jutsu excessively.
@@demontiming3234 First of all give proof nine tails is planetary and even if he was it does not matter, Akainu is large planetary. There is no Jutsu in Minato's arsenal that would allow him to touch a logia. Light has no elemental weakness so without haki or sea stone all of Minato's jutsu are useless. Akainu is faster than Hashirama so he is not getting sealed. Wood style wont do anything to Akainu since akainu is a logia. There is nothing that Hashirama can do to him
Lol imagine comparing Low mid tier naruto characters against top tier characters in OP.
although they were supposed to be the strongest but then some aliens started to appear.
Admirals aren't top tier in op either.
Admirals aren’t even top tier.their is still yonko and pirate king level
@@doge_69 The "aliens" like you said are just the creator of the ninja world so Gods or Divine Being or Celestial Being lol
Y'all are smoking dicks. Admirals are definitely top tier in One piece. Why do you think they're going to be some of the last enemies in the story?
The admiral downplay is crazy.
This dude did not just say akainu beats hashirama bro the bias is so crazy this dude does not know anything about scaling my god he actually said the admirals are 2700 x faster than light
He’s an OPtard leave him be
Wouldn't water style negate their devil fruit abilities or at least weaken them since being submerged in water of any kind is the same as being in the sea?
it does not work like that they have to be in the ocean. plus aokiji isnt affected by water he can freeze it
@@AkoredeAkintoye wrong luffy used rain water to negate the abilities of crocodile
@@SC-pg7jr bro Luffy wasn’t ignoring the logia abilities due to water canceling out abilities (or else Luffy would’ve been weakened as he was actually covered in water while crocodile was just making contact with it) it was because once the sand makes contact with water it becomes solid meaning Luffy can hit Crocodile.
@@SC-pg7jr crocodile's weakness is water in general because he's made out of sand . we see Luffy get submerging in water in zoonisha and nothing happened to him
they can swim just not in the ocean like normal water they can swim in and with tobirama it would still not water cause its not even real water its just liquified chakra
It gets hard to watch once i hear light speed get brought up. To me dodging an attack doesnt scale them up to that attack. If i see a guy pointing a gun at me, and i dodge it, am i gun speed? Or do i have gun reaction speed? No, i just dodged cause i know bro gonna try to shoot me
You can tell OP fans go into debates & conversations with what outcome they want to happen before even researching
I like how you didn’t bring up Hashi’s sealing and the fact he can admit sleeping or paralyzing gas
I agree he didn't bring up sealing. However about sleeping and paralyzing, are we even sure it would work? Because logia are a tricky case, some even say they aren't even human based on how enel is able to live on moon without oxygen. Which makes sense as he is electricity and that doesn't require oxygen. Now say it does work, even then what? like future sight, precognition and insane speed would basically make it impossible to catch them offguard with a petty gas attack, that's like saying yonkos could be taken out just by a regular joe and his gas.
@@ramsankar4578 and the fact they use advance armorment to blast it away or block
He also forgot the wood itself can sap the power out of the enemy, making whatever part of your body the wood touches, unable to use powers. He also has the rashamon, deity gates, AND true several thousand hands
@@nightshadeamv6137he still can’t hit them?
Also wooden style = water style + earth style. And water is literally the weakness of DFs users and in particular of magma. Also he can possibly mix them into mud
after reading the minato one shot manga you can get all the kage to at least multi continental + if not planetary
Atleast planetary
None of the kage are planetary
@@sarveshnathan7559 Naruto, Kakashi, Shikamaru, Hashirama are not planetary😂😂😂
@@sarveshnathan7559 not to mention minato tobirama and hiruzen are also planetary worthy
@@demol1sh_ No they aren't
There is technically a way to quantify how much faster biju naruto (and by extension a few hokage) is from KCM naruto
KCM naruto after fighting the raikage was struggling against just 1 tailed beasts in their full forms. Biju naruto was able to blitz 5 of the tailed beasts bombs and even clashed with 5 said biju, giving at least a 5x boost from KCM
Then you have biju naruto getting a lot stronger throughout the war, with him struggling against madara/obito in biju, to holding his own in KCM (I think like 1.5)
then you have this stronger biju naruto scaling around base edo hashirama and KCM minato(at the lowest), with hashirama having sage mode, which can potentially be a 10x boost in stats, (which high balling it is where KCM minato is in speed as well)
So all in all, if we high ball things a bit, you can potentially get sage hashirama(with added precognition) and KCM minato well over 50x faster than KCM naruto, who was around 88x the speed speed of light, making them at the highest 4400x light speed, with tobirama and hiruzen at the highest scaling to biju naruto/ base hashirama at 5x KCM, making them 440x light speed
This is all just a head cannon estimation in power/speed difference in speed, don’t kill me
The creator of Naruto said a gun solos the verse
They just wanted the admirals to win
@@kxngbj4620 being 440 x ftl is slow for one piece.
One piece is non linear. If you passed algebra 1 you would understand what that is.
@@basketballgoat5354evidence?
Naruto blitzing 5 tailed beast bombs and clashing with 5 tailed beasts doesn’t make him 5x faster.
If one dude fights me at ‘Peak Human’ speed, and then I have trouble reacting to him, and in another scenario 5 people are fighting me at that same peak human speed, I don’t need to be 5x faster to keep up. I would need to be faster to deal with them, but their speed doesn’t multiply off of each other
That being said, Tobirama speed wise would scale faster than Sage Hashirama (and EMS Madara) according to Madara’s words saying Tobirama was the fastest in their era. He didn’t say ‘besides me and Hashirama’, he just said the fastest in general. Which is crazy considering Sage Modes sensory perception and the EMS’ perception amps on top of the physical speed boost. And Tobirama has feats of blitzing Juubito and mentally shaken KCM Minato as supporting feats
You’re right it isn’t close hashirama by himself wipes out every admiral with virtually no effort as he scales to planetary and the admirals aren’t actually anywhere near that
Intangibility
@@imsovereign to the sun with yee
Cope son
@@fabianfierros1968 nano machines son
Tell me how hashirama is hurting the admirals with no haki😂 no element can hurt light😂😂
Tobirama could literally use Reincarnation jutsu and bring Hashirama into the fight…
Wait hold on, Hashirama subdued the other 8 tailed beast as well and with the Kurama scaling well he had to fight Madara who’s arguably stronger then Kurama plus ofc the perfect susssano but off of that, Hashirama also has sage mode idk if that was took into account or not
It was they stated it about how sage mode might be the equivalent of haki
@@lunerbtw might be ur is literally sage mode is infinite power
@@erosivySage mode has a limit just like Haki
@DiegoXRA Not hashirama or Naruto. They both can continuously gather sage energy.
The haki scale was really weird to me ngl. Haki AP amp=Haki speed amp?
Doesn't seem right. That was clearly referring to observation Haki which is basically precog. Also the multiplier for haki was given from an arrow that would've just went through the wall. How would the arrow alone have any effect on the rest of the wall? I always thought that was the Haki and not actually the arrow. Haki is probably not even a multiplier. It seems to be a direct addition of power dependent on your mastery of it. It being a multiplier really doesn't make sense to me at all. I also think that Kurama statement might be hyperbole
I'd also like to ask where people are getting the gear 2nd 5x multiplier from.
haki does correlate with your speed shown with kata vs luffy and rayleighs explanation of haki, also its the haki tipped into the arrow which the scaling still applies. also it wouldnt be a hyperbole due to other feats supporting it
@@Tylearn it might effect reaction speed. Not travel speed nor the speed of your attacks(as far as I know)
And what I was saying was that the boost would be addition instead of multiplication. If the arrow was 1 and turned into a 150, an attack that's a 2 would be a 151 and not a 300.
It does though as we know that by the end of the fight they couldn’t use observation cause they wasn’t calm or whatever, it should most definitely boost your physical speed since base Luffy crippled and with barely any haki can tag Katakuri more then g4 ever could initially
@@Tylearned What? How does that prove or imply that it speed boosts?
Gear 2nd's 5x multiplier most likely comes from Enies Lobby where Luffy couldn't beat Blueno in base but could with G2 and Lucci's Doriki is five times Bluenoe's. But its most likely a 10x multiplier since Lucci's Hybrid form is at minimum a 2x multipler would make it 10x Bluenoes Doriki
Bro is too scared to add Naruto💀
bro it's normal Admirals vs normal hokages stfu Naruto fan
@@L8NyteNaruto is a part of the kage it doesn’t matter you talk but your a one piece fan
@@L8NyteNaruto is definitely a normal hokage pretty weird he didn’t get added he technically became hokage but wasn’t in the vid 💀
@@tylerfoster3801 bro didn't add garlic sengoku stfu Naruto fan
@@K111__jay as I said the the other admirals didn't get added too
Why the fuck would you use haki as a multiplier like that? Haki ads strength to the arrow it doesnt multiply it sure the strength added might've made the arrow 150 times stronger but it may only make a punch like 2 or 3 times stronger as the haki is added on top of the attack and doesnt multiply the base attack
I'd like to see SethTheProgrammer get on this cos this guy is clearly a one piece fan 😂😂 580x the speed of light lmaooo
Flying thundergod is instantaneous
Too slow mate. Speed of light could travel 7 times around the world in 1 second.
Who ever you got for the naruto side did the hokage dirty. Ignores several hax that was useful for the kage [reaper death seal, shadow possession, Sage mode etc.] And upscaling the speed for OP but giving the minimum scaling for the Dodging the Raikage feats is sinister. The calc goes 77xs Ftl lowballed 8K xs FTL higher end. Using the 77 in a debate the other side is upscaling 2k ftl is telling. Hashirama, Hirazen, and Minato each scale around each other and to the full 9tails easily which is beyond Planetary and this video could've been fair to both parties
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After seeing some of your other Naruto vs One Piece content I know to take this with a grain of salt. And now I know your way of scaling and it is skewed toward One Piece. The massive speed difference is not there. The only people who believe this use multipliers of which Naruto has bigger multipliers which completely destroys your argument as if you include both multipliers then Naruto characters kage and above kinda just neg One Piece. Easily MFTL with Edo Madara scaling and the stronger kage would dwarf Orochimaru who is already FTL. If we use the fact that Orochimaru can be fought by Naruto in base then we can start upscaling Naruto characters with multipliers which Hashirama can scale to some of Naruto’s higher forms which instantly allows him to neg One Piece. This would go for speed as well. A light fruit isn’t gonna be enough.
Everyone is biased even if it's a little
OP fans coping hard since their verse is the only one from the OG verses who doesn't have any definitive planetary opponents nor blatantly said that they are at planetary level. OP fans would stretch it (pun intended) very hard for them to scale to DBZ levels when in fact even in the Narutoverse, they would still get rekt HARD.
@@nicksamp515 naruto cannot move in irl light speed
@@huhcool2218 Yup even luffy. Can't even chase a gazelle who's running at only 200kph
@@nicksamp515 i never claimed he could and that was before gear 5
Ninjas are masters of trickery and indirect combat. Even if i thought they way the scaling wasnt bs. The hokage aren't likely to run straight up and attack. So evaluating this like it would be a slugfest is weird. Also it seems like u decided who matches up with who based on who you thought would give the advantage to the admirals. Its kinda sketchy. If this they were all fighting in the same place at once, its mostly the case that the hokage would dictate who fights who and when.
Tobirama uses the entire sea to drown those landrubbers
aokiji could just freez it.
Yeah I'd have to agree with all of this! One thing though for that last fight... I guess it's not too important though because Kizaru still has so many other tricks up his sleeve, but... His attacks can only travel in straight lines unless reflected off of various surfaces. That fact would literally be the only saving grace Minato would have to let him most likely last a bit longer against the admiral..
Yup.. I'd have to agree though! All the Admirals are just crazy powerful when it comes to anime in general haha!
Not really when reanimated hokage are much more powerful/ awfully OP by having endless regeneration plus chakra
@@Ricardorhino88 That regeneration would use their chakra or the chakra of the one who reanimated them. Meaning there's also a finite number of times that they can regenerate. ..Whereas the original Admirals in One Piece are all Logia Devil Fruit users and can regenerate an infinite number of times.
@@theknightowl3476 yes and they'd outmatch each of them entirely
Minato isn't really fast he just throws a lot kunai that has his mark on them and teleports to them which was shown when he fought against killer bee honestly don't know how Naruto copied his technique when he didn't have the marked kunai or even know how to do it but then later just forget about it in current Boruto
@TheKNightOwl no it wouldn't do you even know how reanimation works or did you even watch the show bud ,they have endless regeneration and chakra that can last for infinitely and tire out the admirals...the reanimated hokage can take as long as they want to tire out the admirals 🤣🤣plus even after the summoner dies the reanimated ninja keep on fighting???
"2900 times the speed of light" tf? Can these dudes circle the entire planet multiple times in less than a second? Makes no sense
Dude they are not talking about travel speed they are talking about movement combat and reaction speed
I would say that Fujitora has NO feats. He was distinctly trying to lose in all the fights hes had so far
This dude glazes one piece too much and comes up with random bs to be better
No fr tho this guy is on par with the tiktok one piece glazers. Wouldnt be surprised if this guy thinks G5 luffy beats ichigo or saitama.
Hokage clap admirals, but why are we even talking about this? Admirals aren’t even top tiers in their own show 😭
☠️ the hokage don’t compare there weak
@@OPIUM_-10 admirals are weak dude they are frauds… they have no feats. Besides you know… losing to whitebeard who was sick asf and old as shit and beating ace who only died because he saved luffy and was starved and tortured at marineford for a month and also was still damaged from Blackbeard fight but oh well…
Naruto and Kakashi sitting this one out. Cause they know, if they step in, the song changes.
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Naruto, probably, with a lot of effort. Kakashi, not a chance.
@@stolasthegreatprince4166lot of effort? Naruto can blow up the op planet in ashura form. Dms Kakashi is planetery level too
@@524ti blow up op planet op world is too big for him t blow he aint goku
@@524ti Did he ever blow a planet during the series? No, he didn't, so don't exaggerate his feats. Narutards really think Naruto characters are planet busters.
your right it isint close and i kinda feel bad for the admirals because tobirama knows reanimation jutsu that can bring people back to life making them immortal and have access to unlimited chakra meaning they cant get tired. thats not something you can really beat now is it.
Just kill Tobirama before he can use it. Or does the Jutsu end when the user die(I don't remember now). If I remember it correctly Tobirama stated that his reanimation was far less complete than the one Orochiramu used to resurrect them
@@pangoomb6781 the reanimation jutsu does not release after death and killing tobirama is no easy task it will take some time
@@morps47 oh okay I wasn't sure about it. And killing Tobirama won't be that hard when you catch him when he is casting the Jutsu cause he either stop casting it or he will die
One pieces characters are well known for fighting for days akainu and aokiji fought for 10 and none of the reanimations are even gonna be capable of bypassing logia abilities
@@ciphersage7171 i saw a comment making a good point saying sage mode could bybass logia due to being nature energy
The haki speed scaling made no sense, but hashirama bodies akainu, let him "turn into a volcano" it won't matter the shinsu senju statue would simultaneously damage and sap his energy, and he can't run, hashirama controls every single fist and where they land, and on top of that worlding flower could poison and kill him and let's say none of that work, diety gates would completely seal akainu.
Hashirama can't sap his energy as Akainu doesn't have chakra
Akainu's mama can completely melt the shinsu senju
If we equalize chakra and haki then why can’t the hokage use genjutsu, like in the novels Hashirama uses a one that takes away a persons sight in the Orochimaru hiruzen fight
Kaido jumps off from 10km height and doesn't hurt him much. Akainu endured several mega quakes to his head and still was good to go. Yes, Naruto can destroy the moon. But if you consider the size of Whitebeard mega quakes and moon is much smalller than earth, also can shatter. we are talking about 72 year old geezer with heart disease and sword stab to the chest. Imagine prime Xebec or prime Roger. Imagine prime Luffy. There is a good reason for the huge ocean sink hole through the earth til the other side of the planet. This being said, some of the marines are equal to all time top tier pirates. That is admiral level.
You do realise op world is as big as a star and Naruto's earth is probably little bigger than our earth
And Naruto can't even destroy HOLLOW moon
I really love op verse logic, " you don't have haki. You can't hurt them" . Wonder who will wins between that and bleach verse logic, "they are soul. you can't even see/feel them"
Because it’s true you can’t see or feel bleach souls and without Haki you can’t touch logias
@@HisokaMorowTheMagician sealing jutsu???
@@reformeddoomer6777 observation haki???
Dumb idiots 🤦@@theonlychickensama8353
all this bullshit scaling in one pieces comes from one thing: everything is assuming that the pacifista lasers travel at light speed. but they dont..
wheres your proof that they dont travel at light speed
prove it
Kizaru to MFTL is the most BS thing I've heard. Kizaru attacks with literal light, light can't be faster than light yet you have his light attacks as massively faster than light itself? Kizaru's logia attacks are easily SoL by pure common sense.
You're also really hyping up speed as an end all be all stat. While a character can outspeed another one for an advantage, this advantage is minor and doesn't last long as the one at a speed disadvantage can easily play around it for their own benefit (Polnareff vs Hanged Man) and the one who's faster won't be able to consistently outspeed for long (Goku vs Broly), especially considering in this case, Hashirama physically outclasses Akainu. Through verse equalization logia nullification isn't taken into consideration, and if it was you can argue chakra laced attacks can still harm logia users like how haki does since both are spiritual energy in some way. Taking attacks like Hashirama's 1000 armed Buddha, I don't see Akainu lasting.
Sure Aokiji beats Tobirama, but it isn't truly easy. Tobirama is a battle genius and is never taken down easily. With the help of shadow clones and as the most talented suiton user in Naruto and literal teleportation, Aokiji won't have it easy.
Hiruzen has one of the best stamina feats here, he fought 3 kage level opponents as a senile old man for hours continuously, and 2 of his opponents weren't random people either, literally Hashirama and Tobirama. I also think you're downplaying the arsenal of the leaf in terms of ninjutsu. Hiruzen as a weakened edo while dividing his chakra to 4 other clones matched the gedo mazo's nature five way strike with simple techniques of those respective chakra natures. Let alone him using fireball jutsu, water dragon,... who are respectively some of the strongest jutsus of their nature.
Minato vs Kizaru is by far the easiest win for the kage side here. As I mentioned before, Kizaru uses literal light for his attacks. Light can't be MFTL, light is light, the light Kizaru uses is no different than the light produced by any natural source, that would make his attacks SoL. Minato at a young age blitzed both A and B with ease, was fast enough to pick up a kunai from his pouch, drop it, teleport away, teleport back and pin down A all while A is going all out striking at him. On top of that with Minato's rasengan and LITERAL KCM 2 (seeing as we're using the kage from that timeframe) Kizaru is getting bodied.
Well using common sense if pts zoro reacts to light speed attacks and he scales wayyyy lower than kizaru then kizaru is definitely multiple times faster than light
Slower characters than kizaru have blitzed other characters who have easily perceived lightspeed attacks based on his light fruit. So it's "common sense" that kizaru would be FTL despite being light.
so tobirama that uses the same technique that minato has flying thunder god is slower then an ice human...
physical stats in one piece are bizarre since from the start, alabasta zoro could lift an entire building on his back and this zoro isn't even a fodder comparable to top tiers, he is more like an ant
I will be honest Idk where tf was luffy stated to be faster then light or white beard or for anybody except kizaru who is the fastest character in One Piece verse.
and I do not think that any character in One piece is faster then light since Kizaru is fastest and is light speed it's his whole thing.
I love how now we can all agree Naruto’s verse stomps 😂
no
the one piece world is 2x the size of our sun so if u destroy a big island there then yea so all the admirals are planetary cause 1 million earths can fit in our sun but 2 million earths can fit in op earth so yea all admirals are planetary to multi planetary
@@kolli963if the one piece planet was twice the the size of the sun the sheer gravity would make the planet an uninhabitable wasteland where not even water could exist and there has been no island in the series that can be compared to the size of a planet keep dreaming
@@starwatch76prime98 It's op the rules r diff
@@starwatch76prime98 ahh but a gumm boy makes seense
@@kolli963 bro what?
the one piece world is never said to be that size
I think the one piece speed scaling is way off, that’s what gets me. Any action an admiral has made besides kizaru traveling at light speed we (the audience) and normal characters have been able to perceive. Meanwhile the movement of many of the hokages had to be slow moed or explained contextually to justify their actions because of their speed
Luffy is ridiculously fast considering they could get him to ftl pre time skip
Personally I don’t think anyone in one peice or naruto are really light speed: most of the top fighters in both use precog to dodge fast attacks. Allowing them to dodge or keep up
I mean even if we tone down their speed a little Observation Haki is still a the main problem for the kages. The Admirals are the top tier so their Observation Haki is will be also ridiculous high tier compare to other characters.
@@raidenesp1096 guy sense is
@@elijahezra-gl1sx those pacifista lasers are not light speed
It doesn’t matter if it’s magma against wood style hashirama went against LAVA WATER FIRE all the elements yet it coudnt break wood style so I belive hashirama vs akanui
Sakazuki could literally turn the entire area he is fighting into magma, which btw is so much hotter than fire and lava. Sakazuki wins so easily
@@Wrk10_ Hashirama made a forest and then some without even trying. Fire is also MUCH hotter than lava(sometimes), especially if Madara is the one doing it.
@@step1saysomethingcontrover320 hashirama did that using chakra, which unless you’re naruto is somewhat limited, akainu can produce magma (which yes it is hotter than fire, literally says in the anime)and fire isn’t doing anything to him as well
@@step1saysomethingcontrover320 also, what makes you think some flame jutsu is going to do anything when ace (who had the mera mera no mi) couldn’t do anything to him
@@Wrk10_ There's no way you just compared a donut with a God. Madara hurt tailed beasts which can destroy countries if they tried. He made the Nine Tails his dog, a being which can turn the world to ash, and he considered his fire style strong enough to compare to the Nine Tails which can survive multiple bijuu bombs itself that can vaporize continents from the face of the Earth. And you think anyone in One Piece casually has those feats? Get davuk outta he'a
Hashirama's wood style is so strong that it can tank a tailed beast bomb and redirect it and you think a lava would just melt it are you kidding me are you sure you watch Naruto and also he can just do deep forest emergency and fill the whole area with poison gas
hashirama can't touch akainu anyway like you realize that nothing a character in naruto can do to kill akainu in other verses he is practically immortal because attacks faze through him
@@ver6 tell me how akainu is dealing with hashirama and his power by melting his wood statue really
Is that how he wins
@@sinoxolombovane5455 maybe not but its not that hashirama can hurt akainu but akainu is still capable of destroying the wood but it wouldn't be as easy as mentioned in the video
@@ver6 yes ok he can melt it still hashirama is able to recreate it in instance you know about his chakra reserves he has poison gas too
Bro has a chopper pfp this vid a biased
While I don't think a huge amount changes due to hax, this would be more interesting with equalized base speed.
yeah it would be cool imo one piece verse still wins cause of the fruits tho
trying to balance things out would just give one side the better chance you cant truly balance it out.
The Naruto scaling is extremely surface level. It lowballs and misrepresents Naruto blatantly.
Same thing I said. They did the same thing in the madara vs wb video too. It’s hard to find non bias op fanpages
@@jaybronx98 this specific creator is known for their One Piece bias, and they argue that they're not by sprinkling in a few small feats to act like they know the Naruto characters.
@@dgrogan8423 exactly😂 anyone could sprinkle some fun fact feats but the fact that doesn’t go as deep into detail as he does with one piece scaling and just brushes off or ignores naruto character feats shows how obvious his bias is lol
W Channel 🔥🔥
Always one piece fan comes up with this number 😂😂😂 2700x lightspeeed wtf no living thing can reach that. However, when you are under genjutsu, you can say anything
Thank you for saying Hashirama is Planet level I appreciate that. Also Hashirama is faster than FTL+ but good video overall.
He isnt he isnt even relavistic
Cap he is not faster than light and planetary is just joke
@@WinterSupernova39 even raikage can be scale to light speed
@@lukaskrivda9374 just because he is light speed doesn't mean the hashirama is and he jsnt even rel
@@WinterSupernova39 so raikage light speed , when onoki amp him was faster , edo madara was faster and edo hashirama was relative to edo madara and alive hashirama is faster and stronger
They choose to make "Wood vs Magma" and "Ice vs Water"💀
Oh man so happy i found this channel, was searching for a good power scalling channel about one piece for years.
If you want another good channel, Idea Shock has some good scaling for One Piece characters.
This channel sucks 🤣🤣its Cleary biased towards one piece when reanimated hokage will slap the hokage....
Hashirama solos all admirals.
Watch the vid
cant solo shit when he cant even affect them
Akainu one-shots lol
How you catch kizaru with some slow ass wood.
@@EdgyMemer_ kyubi is enough for the admirals 😂
You do realise that 2700xlight means they could move to any point of the planet instantly? No, not even planet. Galaxes
ChatGPT explanation:
If it were somehow possible to move at 2700x the speed of light without breaking the laws of physics, you'd be able to traverse enormous distances almost instantaneously. For example, you could reach the nearest galaxy, Andromeda, in less than a second! It would revolutionize everything from space exploration to communication.
However, such speeds would likely pose extreme risks, like running into cosmic debris, or disrupting the fabric of spacetime itself. But hey, we're in the realm of pure speculation here. It's mind-blowingly fast, senpai! 🌠
The other fights aren't very fair but Minato vs Kizaru is actually VERY close imo. We know that Minato has FTL reaction speeds, duh, so Kizaru's light specific attacks would mostly get dodged. Kizaru would make his light sword and fight with that for most of the fight , because for actual combat speed his physical body is faster, as shown when he fought Rayleigh. Kizaru would not be able to casually blitz Minato, that just ain't happening. Kizaru's AP is also pretty similar to Minato's Biju Bombs, so this fight is HELLA even. TBH we just need to see more feats from Kizaru to definitely prove who would win. Every other fight would go pretty much how u said. Akainu vs Hashirama is hella close tho.
If you really think about it this fight is not close. Minato has to access light speed. Kizaru is light. They are not the same. Kizaru is much faster and has more stamina since it takes no chakra or energy for him to use light feats. Minato couldnt touch kizaru… LITERALLY.
Minato can’t spam 30 biju bombs in 3 minutes.
How minato even touch kizaru
@@rakhatthenut3815doesn’t necessarily have to; he’s a Fuinjutsu GOD.
@@murtajiz545not one point did they bring up Minato in his 9 tails form just base minato form and base speed
Well what I think is the easiest way to "debunk" the kizaru light speed attacks is the fact that something moving at light speed like his fist or just a beam of energy or what ever his attacks are could potential destroy planet depending on what it is, for example if a tooth pick moved at light speed and hit the earth it would bigger than the world largest atom bomb. And then people say 4000 times the speed of light, it just is not plausible, and don't get me started on pixel measuring.
I agree the pixel measuring was kind of shit but don't put real world logic into an anime where furries exist, a doctor abuses drugs to become a giant, and a funny rubber man acts like a cartoon. By that logic, every step that Naruto takes while attacking Kaguya should have ended the planet
Why are you using real world logic on One piece??😂
Same goes for Naruto light speed feats then. Stop applying real world logic to an anime (especially one piece) that doesn't follow it
Stop saying admirals are light speed im tired of it, i still think admirals could win but idk what YOU would think since youre using terrible scaling
Madara is way over plantery lvl and hashirama defeated many times other wise kaido someone stronger than akainu is only continental lvl, hashirama has mastered all 5 chakra elements.
Madara without the Juubi is Large Country LMAO. And all the Admirals are at east Multi-Continent - Moon Level. You have no real way of getting EMS or Sage Mode Madara to Planetary. 💀💀💀
9:00 Akainu's Devil Fruit was stated in the Vivre Cards databooks to have one of the greatest, if not the greatest, offensive power in the entire series which was never ever said about Whitebeard's Gura Gura no Mi neither by Sengoku nor Whitebeard nor even Blackbeard although both Enel and Blackbeard's Devil Fruits were stated to be the most powerful (Teach said his Devil Fruit was considered the most powerful while Laki said Enel's Devil Fruit was the most powerful logia and Robin said it was one of the few Devil Fruits considered unrivaled, probably along with Akainu's, Whitebeard's and Blackbeard's).
Whitebeard's df is said to be able to destroy the world. Akainus fruit doesn't have anything equal to that
@@israel5881 probably destroy the world as in kill everyone or aka kill everyone in the planet probably not destroy the planet
@@nekoasna8807 he can cause earthquakes and almost turned marineford upside-down, he can do both
@@israel5881 I’m no one piece fan but I never heard anyone being planetary you show me a scan and I’ll believe yiu
@@nekoasna8807 Don Chinjao was able to split a continent with 1 attack and considering the fact that One Piece planet is bigger than ours, that feat can even fall into multi-continent tier. Also Chinjao only used 2nd level of armament haki, while there are 4 levels or armament. Luffy one-shot Chinjao who at the time was like around 10x weaker, but after that Luffy gets different transformations and power boosts, which boost his AP and so now, Luffy should be continental or maybe even multi-continental in base and he is not even the strongest character.
What they gonna do when the admirals use awakening LMAO
Kage can literally create water and I’m pretty sure they can survive lava release from akainu like how naruto avoided Amaterasu with a chakra shield
the kage when aokiji freezes the water
u don't know who Akainu is right? plus it doesn't work like that it's just sea water what affects devil fruits
@@Da_Chop414it's not sea water it's any type of liquid
@@Kyuubi2009you need see water for logia not just any liquid
Magma vaporizes water
If kizaru was that fast, why would he be afraid of ben beckman's gun, and in the film OP RED, kizaru's speed can be matched by shanks.🤣
Are bullets faster than light?
😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣
Because of Ben beckman’s reputation? And kizaru wasnt really scared tbh
@@CluelessMonkeyKing what reputation ? 🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@sikancil7957 Well Ben is a yonko commander of the red haired pirates. So obviously kizaru would view him as someone to not take so lightly. Similar to how Blackbeard was startled when Rayleigh pulled out his sword( due to his immense haki and the fact that Blackbeard knows who Rayleigh even is ). Also you cant use film red due to that not even being canon so that scaling is a little wonky. But saying kizaru was afraid wouldn’t really make that a feat for Ben. It’s more of kizaru actually knowing who Ben is and doesn’t want to get into another fight( similar to how sengoku decided not to fight shank ).
@@CluelessMonkeyKing So why do OP fans always argue that kizaru is like this, kizaru is like that, Kizaru is better than minato. In fact, kizaru is not that fast, he is even afraid of guns. Meanwhile, minato is not afraid of biju dama. 🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@sikancil7957 Well idk
As a one piece fan I will say our speed is broken
I know you’ve said in recent videos that scaling One Piece vs Naruto had gotten a little repetitive, but would it be feasible for you to compare lower tier characters, ie Chunin vs Marine officers, Jonin vs Captains, etc?
u mean vice capt. captains are to powerful for jonin level
@@mohamedhussein-px2jp Vice admirals or high captain level at equal to a normal Jonin
@@mohamedhussein-px2jp Vice admirals or high captain level at equal to a normal Jonin
@@adnanbashirabdi9627 vice admirals r equal to high jonins jonins r basically marines. vice admirals aernt that strong but they r stronger than normal jonins for a fact.
@@adnanbashirabdi9627 enel is minato level. people like hawkins xdrake ulti urouge and others r island level max. and they r high captains. they r to good for normal jonins.
this is pure bullshit, you forget that hashirama can use a gigantic wood beast scaling to that of the perfect susanoo which the susanoo one taps literal mountains, additionally hashirama doesn't need to hit or kill the admirals to win, hashirama can simply seal them away by using even summoned remote seals. EVEN FURTHER hashiramas sage art wouldn't even allow him to be hit as he would be too regenerative and at moving fast paced. and whats this about hashirama being slow? just cause he can't teleport doesn't mean he loses to aakainu which btw akainu is slower then hashirama who can pretty much blitz the entire one piece verse not too mention you summon meteros on top of hashirama his wood would blow it away instantly anyway? maybe scale hashirama to his exact level before saying hes gonna get clapped
You just can't accept the truth
Hashirama is NOT blitzing the entire one piece verse. That statement alone invalidates your entire argument. It shows you can't be taken seriously. Stop talking out of your ass
light speed taken for nothing here, talking about characters moving 40xLS sounds a bit too ridiculous. Moving on LS is like teleportation and here it's taken for bare minimum for speed stats
For all the one piece fans downplaying the kage pls stop💀.like hashirama literally is stated to be the god of shinboi hashirama fought both madara and kumra and both these characters are planetary. Kumra in the offical databook was stated to have earth shattering power and in the next has the power to turn the world to ash 💀.like stop being biases honeslty
This whole video is a "tell me your biased without telling me your biased" you did a great job going into depth on the admirals but barely went into any detail on the HoKage for example Tobirama who is able to use flying thunder god is able to move at the speed of light or faster and minato is able to teleport instantaneously you completely over looked those facts and downplayed them Tobirama also is able to bring back the dead and make them unkillable you also overlooked the fact Hashirama was able to seal every tailed beast INCLUDING THE 4 TAILS SON GOKU which is the strongest being in the naruto verse to use lava release able to create volcanos and spit massive volcanic boulders and hashirama was still able to seal it completely so your whole fire vs grass argument goes straight out the window also from his regeneration factor and being able to use all 5 elements and being one of the strongest in each element Hashirama stomps, your whole speed of light kizaru vs INSTANTANEOUS SPEED is not even an argument Kizaru would get completely speed blitzed no question again Minato stomps you over looked so many factors that completely change the course of every battle its actually hilarious please next time do more research before making a sorry excuse of a vs battle this was extremely obviously biased glazing the admirals and barely bringing up any of the major capabilities the Hokage have
Someone cooked here
Observation haki and armament haki left the chat and songoku lava isn't comparable to akainu magma.
He burns sword without even contact
Non one piece fan didn’t know there are a lot light speed feats more than yellow beam 💀
why are you giving multipliers to the Admirals and not the Hokage. multipliers are the most wost were of speed scaling, because you can get people to millions of times the speed of light while they didn't show, stated, or implied they could move that fast
I mean fuji was literally heavily suppressing himself to every ones lvl he fought but this head cannon but I think fuji would defiantly scale to the other if he was serious but with feats I yeah he doesn’t really compare
i mean minato that faster than kizaru
@@yhwach6878 He is not in the slightest he's relative in speed to a relativistic speed raikage the only reason he blitzed him was the flying raijin
fuji could make it rain meteors if he wanted it to so he obv planetary PLUS i have to mention that sick moment when zoro sliced his FAT meteor in half
@@yhwach6878 no he is not
@@yhwach6878 debatable and that requires a set up before hand. If the rajin kunai gets destroyed then all he can is mark terrain which fujitora will definitely catch on to.
Hashirama: Slaves should be free
Akainu: Slaves should be free
"And if you don't believe me, join my discord so my inner circle of clowns and I can show you our straight bias as to why we're right and nothing you say matters". Lmao every fucking channel ever when someone does a powerhouse match up but this guy did say one thing right, Admirals stomp Hokage any day
Fujitora is multi Continental casually lol We’ve never seen his full power
one piece verse is huge but besides that fuji can spam meteors
Like Fuji just casually pulling meteors and spams them like they're nothing LMAO
That spider man theme from the 90’s series goes hard
Hashirama, Minato, and tobirama had almost all chakra natures so the "disadvantages" on the magma vs wood and ice vs water didn't make sense.
Hashirama fought both Madara and kurama at the same time then fought Madara by himsef then won
And if I'm not mistaken truth seeking orbs are alot faster than anything any admiral can do and Minato out sped them while helping guy so he can definitely dodge kizarus' attacks
Orochimaru said that if it wasn't for hiruzens old adhe he could've beaten him. Hiruzen fought off tobirama and hashirama with the help of his summon
You didn't mention that all of the kage except for kakashi and tobirama (if you count 100 healings as sage mode) had sage mode and perfected it thus boosting their stats
Hashiramas Buddha statue has some more damage than anything anyone in one piece (except kaido) has done
The kage's are also more strategic than the admirals
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Hashirama had genjutsu at his disposal. Had plenty of summons and was a jinchuriki. Has more chakra than Naruto.
Tobirama fought the gold and silver brothers both had karma's chakra and won. Broke from his reincarnation jutsu. Great sensor ninja. Had space time ninjutsu. Also had plenty of summons
Hiruzen could hold off the nine tails. He fought the first and second hokage. Also had plenty of summons
Minato beat tobi and the nine tails(technically). Wiped out an army. Was a sage. Was a jinchuriki. Can seal anything also had many summons
In other words the hokage slam and the admirals can't really do anything about it ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
So why didn't they use that versatility against madara? Why didn't the truth seeking orbs beat faster Characters? What is the fastest speed feats of Naruto Characters? The fastest Characters ONLY scale AT or BELOW lightspeed
The problem is that the elements they SPECIALIZE in are directly countered by the admirals
Tobirama specializes in Water- Aokiji can freeze entire oceans for weeks on end so Tobirama couldn't use any water jutsu
Minato- FTG- All the admirals besides Fujitora are logia types and Kizaru's ability is literally light so he can outspeed him
Hashirama- Wood style
Akainu will melt everything Hashirama creates so he couldn't use wood style if he wanted to
Hiruzen- Hiruzen is special because idk if he really has any special style
Kakashi specializes in lightning and none of the admirals counter that
And Tsunade doesn't really use ninjutsu to attack so she's gonna get shat on the hardest seeing as all of them besides Fujitora are untouchable and he can control gravity so he could just make her heavy enough to sink into the ground
You do know that every mage on this list have mastered every nature release right?
@@Míćhãel.Glover mage?????
@@TWLSoyumathey’re brainless they have absolutely no idea what they’re talking about, just trying to defend their wittle anime that they think makes them special for liking 🥺
Bro, when these rankers start mentioning speed of light like it's like it's a normal thing to do, I sometimes think that they're joking
But no Zoro is 18x faster than light🤡🤡
What, can he travel in time too
Oh he can find the one piece in 1 second
he speed blitz the Universe too
bunch o clowns
be doing calculation writers don't even do😂😂
Bro it's anime why are you questioning the logistics and reality of the speed of light 💀
There are people in one piece who can make earthquakes out of thin air and summon meteors and You're focused on the speed of light bruh
Naruto fans upset ? Its a good day
Depends on which Hokage we are talking about. Hashirama and Naruto propably stomp. The rest could be beatable for the Admirals.
if haki wasn't soo over powered it would be different tbh
Yeah, Look guys. I am big fan of one piece. To One piece is the best Shonen. But i think this was a bit stupid. To be Honest, Admirals are not that strong ok. This should Yonkos vs Hokage, instead of Admirals. I think these Admirals are really overrated. They are strong, but they are not beating Hokages.
my boy have you even watched op cuz if you have you should know that he only people the admirals can't beat in a 1v1 are the yanks and saying that the admirals are weak is kinda stupid
1. Deep forestation, regeneration, can heal without any hand sign. Would’ve died to Madara if that mf wasn’t practically immortal💀amaterasu got nothing on Hashirama but lava will?
4. Minato is there for blood can mark an enemy. He starts off full power and kizaru never shown to fully try unless his opponent “hurts him”
The kage neg. I'm willing to debate with anyone
Don’t bother, this meatrider and his fans’ll bring up the headcanon feats lol. It’s common consensus that Narutoverse low diffs the OPverse
"Haki increases speed" because the Kuja stated that she could dodge Luffy's Gatling thanks to the power of Haki.... that is not just Observation Haki? The same thing happened in Skypiea. She just used precog to dodge his punches, she did not get faster.
Finally, someone who actually understands how strong One Piece characters are.
One piece verse caps at low moon for strongest character 💀
@@pitifofo4762 Yeah, that's a pretty stupid statement. I'm not even going to engage with that.
A man who’s chakra wooden style tanks Biju bombs and treats tailed beasts like pets loses to a dude with magma🙄you guys should watch both shows properly and the hax involved , besides that strategy is the biggest factor , seals , summoning , clones e.tc