You’re the beat guy 👍 you make videos that are like the golden patriot. Please run for office, from the retro political party. The banning of all technology built past 1998 with a emphasis on 80s computers. Move youtube to a TV service that you boys can send your videos too. Make it happen
Knipex: The O-slash is diameter, the marking is saying that it can handle up to 1.6mm diameter solid copper (Cu) leads and 1.0mm diameter solid steel (Fe) leads. That's 14 or higher AWG copper and 17 or higher AWG steel for single-stranded leads - more or likely much more if multi-stranded. Note that the blue fake ones you show from the 10-pack is rated for 0.040"/1.0mm diameter copper (again on the side), so they're much weaker than the Knipex and I'm not sure if that number is even real or just copied from the original, so it could be even weaker than that.
Thank you for the explanation! And I've been using the Knipex and they are SO MUCH better than the crap blue ones. I will definitely be sticking to name brand from now on...... too bad I bought the 10 pack but perhaps they can make good stocking stuffers for other people. :-) I have a feeling whatever is written on the blue ones is a total lie as well.
@@adriansdigitalbasement Or just as backup, they're so cheap you can have them everywhere at the same time. Yeah, the markings on the blue ones are probably just copied from whatever they cloned it from, so the difference is probably even larger. I mostly cut zip-ties with mine which they excel at thanks to the smaller jaws (until damaged trying to cut something more solid).
Blue ones is good to have around. You can abuse them without worrying they are destroyed. Ruining a knipex because it was the only cutter you had near and was too lazy to go get a proper tool isn't fun.
Adrian, sorry if this has been asked before.. have you ever considered the dummy battery replacement adapters for you camera? Then no more worries about charging for your fixed cameras. They just load in and leave a pigtail hanging out to plug into some usb/etc power source. I've used them on various canon/sony/panasonic cameras with no trouble. Enjoyed the video! VCFMW was awesome!
It would likely be a good idea for this Panasonic as I never use it away from the desk anymore.... It's a good camera in that is never overheats, but yeah the battery issue is becoming annoying now. The USB port is Micro USB and it slowly drains the battery even though my other camera, a Sony (also Micro USB) can run indefinitely over USB power and never drains the battery. I'll look into it, thanks!
@@adriansdigitalbasement I've suggested this before, I have my GH5 running with a dummy battery and it's so much better! and also you avoid unnecessary battery waste
Still that SIDKick project is a great alternative for those that maybe need to experiment with reSID emulation or want an easy way to get a clear output (DAC version), but this is just the beginning and I imagine it would be very easy to upgrade that, not to mention cheap to make like you said.
my dad gave me his timex sinclair 1000 and he HATED it so much when it was new. I'm not even sure if it works, I'll have to open it up and see if it's still okay.
They are generally pretty reliable...... but just hard to use as they are RF only unless you mod them. And really, I think most people really didn't like them, and compared to a VIC-20, it they weren't even on the same planet when it came to usability and capabilities.
Those looked like a pain in the butt! I always wondered what some people thought of them at the time. Built to a price, and you had to be into computers to enjoy it. Otherwise it looked like a pain, even for the time :)
My best friend had a ZX81 clone and we absolutely loved playing with the thing, warts and all. Typing in basic listings, changing things around to see what happened, making our own little programs was awesome. I do remember the 32K memory expansion being very finicky and the slightest touch would dislodge the connector and crash the system so that didn't get used much, but other than that, I only have fond memories of that thing. Granted, we were only around 7-8 years old at the time so it might not have taken much to impress us 😀
Grew up in New England so very familiar with NECCO (New England Confectionery Company) wafers. They were the 'candy' kids dreaded getting while out trick-or-treating on Halloween :P The uneaten leftovers were really good for decorating gingerbread houses come Christmas time as they made for excellent tiled roofs and pathways though!
Heh I don't like licorice, and inside the roll I had were a couple of them... but they weren't that strong of a taste so I was happy to still eat them. :-)
That's funny -- It would be interesting to have them on the same address and then you could just pick which one you were listening to. I hadn't ever thought of that and I'm really not sure if that's possible or not.
I like doing that - albeit in real hardware which means I have to record the same song twice and then overlay them on the left/right channel. But wow this can sound awesome, especially with demanding songs.
Thanks for the SID comparison. I'm glad all these replacement projects exist and are under active development but I absolutely prefer to use the real thing and will continue to as long as it remains viable to do so. Many modern .sid compositions seem to be for the 8580 and I can't help but wonder if more effort has been put into replicating the sound of that variant instead of the 6581.
Yeah it's quite likely more work has just gone into the 8580 -- I also think it's more consistent and potentially easier to emulate, but I might be wrong there. I do really enjoy being able to switch between either type though (with the emulators) so for now I left the SIDKick DAC in my ZIF machine, and jumped the pads so the DAC is fed right out though the computer's audio jack.
@@adriansdigitalbasement also there are still way more 8580 left compared to all those 6581 revisions. And yes - IMHO all 8580 sound nearly the same. Tested my demoscene party lineup of c64 (10 8580 c64) and all of them sound - for my old ears - the same :) compared to the 6581 where the revision, manufacture date and the star sign at manufacture modify the sound...
I think the Sidkick sounds more muffled compared to the original. I am using an ARMSID most of the time and it is perfectly fine, even if it's not perfect either. But you get used to it. I have an 8580 in my C64C though. And sometimes I use the old breadbin with a 6581. Sounds different again! Having the Sidkick Pico as an option is awesome.
Yes exactly, another viewer mentioned that. Something like 14 AWG for copper and 17 AWG for steel solid core. Very helpful and the Knipex are 100x better than the junk blue handle things. I'll never get the junk ones again now I've sampled what a good tool is like.
I'm eating some chocolate Necco wafers right now. Looks like Tractor Supply stocks them, they're $1.99 a roll. I'm over 50 now, enjoyed having these as a kid in the 1980s. I like the chocolate ones more than the variety.
I've already finished off the entire roll since I shot this video ..... (and most of the other candy) So I'll surely need to find some more. I liked the variety of old-school tastes.
TipiPEB is interesting. I've been thinking about doing that for the C64, for use as a coprocessor for real-time video or access to web API's, openAI or whatnot.
In my experiences, the ARMSID is the best alternative to an actual SID. The SwinSID and SIDkick sounds like you've downloaded an MP3 with a garbage bit rate. Hissy and the highs are distorted and garbled.
Just one note Adrian, Drean Commodores were in fact made in Argentina for that market, but I am sure that some arrived to Brazil. They are quite exotic, as you can find a C64C case style with an old 326298 board and a 6572 PAL-N VIC-II. Seems that Drean used to buy old boards that did not pass QC from Commodore USA, repaired them and sold it on their products 😊
The sad irony of these gatherings is that the presenters are all enthusiasts themselves and would probably prefer to be able to attend in the capacity of a guest, wandering around and checking out all the things, instead of manning their booths. It's gotta be even worse if you're a UA-camr, because you'll want to spend extra time at each booth showcasing what they have on camera, _and_ you'll be mobbed by your viewers all the time!
SID kick sounded very good, but not the same as the AR4. Kick sounded a bit too clean and didn't have some of the harmonics that made that song sound good. Non-ar4 maybe something wrong with it because it had noticeable distortions and dropouts.
I wonder if the DSP and playback in the SID Kick are handled as 8bit or 16bit audio? The distortion of the original chip sounds similar to what 8bit audio sounds like.
This is why people who put on these shows need to set aside a day (perhaps the monday following) for the presenters and exhibitors to be able to hang out sans public. So that they can network and relax.
Exactly. I remember way back in the day, Apple (? pretty sure it was Apple) tried for like 15 minutes to get people to pronounce it as 'sexy'. It never took off, as everyone said scuzzy instead.
I guess the original Sid Chips are all in an age where they slowly lose so e of their brilliance and dynamics , they Always Sound a little different from model to model so there ist No clear Standard you can compare the Sound to....
Build yourself a keyboard for the TS-1000/ZX-81. Schematics of the matrix are out there, and old TI-99/4A keyboards are perfect. I built one out like that in a Bud case many years ago, and it worked great. Use wire stripped out of a Cat 3 cable (solid-core 22 ga) to wire it up, which made dressing the harness a snap. I can see I gotta make the trip to VCF (probably Southwest) one year or another. Looks like a really good time with great folks.
18:47 okay, now I need a cute comic where RAMy springs to life to complete their epic quest to, "Get the fly!" while you take a break to use the restroom. Fails to attack the fly, and only finds success by befriending the fly and dragging the half eaten candy off the bench. The last frame in the comic is you, happy that the fly is gone; the fly, happy with its candy; and RAMy, happy with their new friend.
Necco wafers! I love those - they were around in the '70s when I was a kid, and I have some friends who had them as well when they were growing up in the '50s. If I recall correctly, the flavors were cinnamon (white), orange, banana (yellow), chocolate (brown), licorice (black), wintergreen (pink), mint (green), and clove (purple).
Thats 6581R4AR, not AR4, meaning 4th release (R4) with Advanced Resonance (AR?). That's why the distortion is more emphasised on "regular" 6581 and R3 was the most common one. I remember having a discussion with 'Jeff' in ircnet (I guess at least 10 years ago) about the distortion effect and he wished that there was even more distortion. Those R4ARs are quite rare and sought after (and expensive).
It's pronounced 'Neck Oh' waffers. They're mostly found in the New England area. They're one of the oldest, if not the oldest, candy companies in the country. I can't remember if they are. I've toured their factory. It's not that I'm a huge fan of the candy, it's not bad, but it was something to do while I was in the area. (I've spent a lot of years in New England.)
I have a set of knipex bolt cutters that are quite nice. I got them at a thrift shop and the blade had big chunks broken out of them. Knipex replaced them under warranty without question. Very happy with their product and their service. I've also had good luck with Knipex flush cutters. I have a few sets of Hakko as well. They are pretty good. The pin on one Hakko bent/stretched when I cut some brass screws that were way bigger than what the pliers should be used for, but the blades were undamaged. I bought a new set, but then put a hardened hex socket screw in and the broken and then repaired pair worked as well as a new set. So Hakko is on the "Nice List" as well. I bought a pair of Klein flush cutters and they were junk and the blade didn't align. Klein is supposed to be decent, but as far as I'm concerned they are on the "Naughty List"
1:04:13 count me for a Timex computer indoctrination. I hated it yet spent 100’s of hours with it, even had a modem. 42 years later it’s how I make a living. I still hate computers 😂
The company that made the Neccos went out of business a few years ago. They made the Mary Janes that only came out for Halloween that I loved also. Never found a replacement.
when your blood sugar drops, do you get shaky and just dont feel good? i have not been tested but sometimes i will get like that, i eat something sweet and before long i feel fine again.
Get tested, diabetes is no joke. You don't want to go blind because you ignored your symptoms. OTOH, you might just be hypoglycemic. But you won't know until you see a doctor and find out. Take it from someone who hates doctors and medical care, ignoring symptoms is NOT a good idea.
Serving size isn’t about what you “should” consume, but rather establishing how much of the product the measurements apply to. Some manufacturers will play games with it. Sometimes it just doesn’t make sense. For instance, 12 ounce cans of coke and 20 ounce bottles are both “1 serving, as is the 16.9 ounce half liter size, but the 1.25 liter size is 3.5 servings of 12oz.
Good choice on what you brought. I didn't initially notice the table while you were away at lunch but there was a young lad excitedly explaining the field 64 to his father! Apparently it made quite an impression.
Those Knippex cutters are GREAT! We use them for cutting CAT.7 cables in ethernetports and they cut absolutely flush. BTW in German it is pronounced with k
One thing you seem to have missed is the fact that you can emulate dual SID with one board alone. 1:13:15 that's the suggested maximum wire diameter specs they are designed to cut. Given that it's German, those are either millimetres (0.063 inches for copper wires and 0.04 inches for iron wires) or AWG Metric (I believe it's called?, meaning 0.000031155in² cross-section for copper and0.000012167in² cross-section for iron, equivalent to AWS 34 for Cu and between AWG 38 to 39 for Fe). 1:17:03 if you go to his webpage instead of his GitHub, then to the Retro Computing section and click on TI-99/4A, it describes the TIPI as a "storage and network solution", so basically a Wi-Fi adapter and SSD in one.
The analog filters are the hardest part for people programming a synthesizer. That's why there was the most differentiation audible between those SID emulations. The pure waveforms are less difficult. Probably they need to analyze specific sounds when the filter is being engaged from the original SID and look about the harmonics. The ARM SID was the closest.
The Pippin was a game console that was a joint project between Apple and Bandai, the Japanese toy company. It was both a specific console and the name for the overall open multimedia platform, that Apple licensed to Bandai, the makers of the first and only console/device to feature the platform/OS. The Pippin console was based on Apple PPC hardware and the classic Mac OS system. It was intended to be both a game console and a multimedia device, sort of like the CD-I platform from Phillips and Sony. It was all a complete failure. Apple had intended to license the technology to other companies but no one beyond Bandai Pippin showed interest and once it’s Pippin console failed, the final nail was in the coffin for the Pippin platform.
It was an incredible show. Sorry I wasn't able to talk with you, but I was tied to several tables, talking to many interesting & curious customers. It was busy. Next year, if you're looking for chip clips, we'll have some at our table, for a very reasonable price. As always, I enjoy your content. Keep up the good work!
Hey Adrian xx Thanks again for a great video.. AArgh I so wish I could attend an event like the VCF you were at recently. That said, There are some great vintage computer, audio and HAM radio rallies and trade shows here in the U.K The C64 SID sounds will always sound good to my ears. You know why ? Because I had a Spectrum 🤣😆🤣 Also though, I guess although you tried the mqny different versions. the sound will never sound as good as it did back then x Love your show .x.
That Gateway 2000 mousepad reminds me of my early PC repair days working on Gateway and IBM Windows 3.11 computers at my second networking job. Every one of the machines was connected to the Lotus 123 system via Token Ring adapters.
I think those sid chips don't sound to bad actually. Especially for gaming and things like that. For music the originals do have a richer sound though.
The Swinsid certainly doesn't sound "right", pitch is off for starters sounding a little flat, but it sounds much richer than the SID Kick. The latter sounds band-limited and rather "rough". ARMSID IMHO sounds better than the SID Kick. ReSID sounds richer than SID Kick also but the filter action is quite different to the original.
A Brit here. Almost 60 now. Back in school days, kids would either love or hate Parma Violets. I see there is a wikipedia page now as well. Apparently Parma Violets flavoured cheese and cider have been made. Going back, it also says that lozenges flavoured with violets were made before 1620.
Generally for emulations using PWM if filter is not ideal, listening on speakers (by analog path) may do much difference. I don't know it was noticable on speakers but about @30:00 in Ode to C64 on YT sounds have diffrent "timbre", but maybe it is only YT compression algorithm artifact
You know, while watching the part on the SIDKicks, it got me thinking, why did they not just call their Raspberry Pi Pico, the Raspberry "PiCo" (as in pie-co)? I think that way sounds better... :D
yeah that's a cross stitch. My mom does it. The color changes are litterally tieing it off in the back and then starting with new thread, but you can do all of one color and then switch. It's not like a printer. You can do each "pixel" in any order you please.
Adrian, I enjoy your vids very much. About pin cutters, 1:14:40, have you checked out the clippers for nails of small birds like parakeets or budgies? Also, I snitched an old pare of (cutical?) cutters from my wife and they worked perfectly. Just an idea I thought I'd throw out there. Oh, and I snitched the old cutters after getting new ones for her. I even got a smooch out of the deal!
Love my RCTP. I put it together over a weekend and didn't screw up anywhere (there's a first for everything). I don't think it's too difficult or complex to DYI. Maybe a 7/10 or thereabouts.
It seems like the non ARM SID replacements all seem to lack the distortion of a real SID. It's really noticeable on the big DOOSH of the drum. I mean I have a later model C64 with the newer SID model, which would sound quite different to yours, but it still has that distinct distortion that every C64 I've ever used had. I mean, still a great device, especially for the price, I'm just trying to give some constructive feedback in case the people doing the firmware are reading.
It's very convenient to me that this video is so much about SIDs! I just got my hands on my first C64 (not available in my country) and the sound didn't work, but thanks to the many, many hours I spent watching your channel I was able to verify that the SID was defective. I got a SIDkick and for my untrained ears, it sounds awesome! Thank you so much for your content, I'm a huge fan!
I remember using those disks. I had tons of them at my house back in the 80s. And lots of what is called Shareware programs. I ran a BBS on my computer in 1995. I even found a new friend when I connected to his BBS. While I was looking at his BBS, he did a chat mode with me, and he found out I lived close, and I met him at his house. He is still a very cool friend to me. And I still have a SCSI drive. I have an older computer I use and still have it running on that SCSI drive!
hello adrian...thanks for this clip..🙂 a very nice place to be as computer...retrofreak..! Being at a US retro trade fair would be really awesome!...All the best to you and all retro fans on this channel and a nice autumn 2024.. your KRautROckt!er from Chemnitz,Saxony...Ger 🙂 PS: sorry for my lousy english! 😞
SID test suggestion: Attract mode music from Terra Cresta - especially when the trumpet-like lead gets going. As an aside; this guy has something to say about crt discharging and C= monitor flyback ua-cam.com/video/DrCk67XfqXg/v-deo.html (I recommend the whole thing, but from 37:30 if you want to skip).
A quick on Amazon and that Knipex seems to go for $27. It may be worth it if it lasts and works really well, but I doubt you'll buy spares. Instead, the cheap ones will be your spares for when you can't find the good one or don't want to risk damaging it.
Hi Adrian I think the 2 products you wee sent working together with the dac and pwm give the most accurate sound of how it sounded when recorded from the original synths. I think with the original commodore 64 sids remember were from. The early 1980s. So tthose original sid chips could not accurately reproduce the actaul original sounds. And Adrian I have a, sound engineer like ear. So I can hear all the sounds even from the original sid but with those 2 dac and pwm cards combined together I can hear all the sounds accurately and cleanly which is the intent. And I am still recovering from a ruptured ear drum. Hope that helps but the fact that those cards can so vividely and accurately capture and reproduce your original sounds so well and clear is huge progress.
For a moment, I was suffering from terrible deja-vu - 'have I watched this before? This feels so familar, and yet there's definitely bits in here I don't recognise.' Took me until 56 minutes in to realise it's because I also watched 8-Bit Show and Tell's video and he happened to pick up some of the same stuff as you! :D
Not that it matters but can PowerPC Mac be emulated?.I have emulators running for 68040, System 8.0, but have a few G4 Powerbooks to run a program I run on the G4 from that time. I think you need a G4 or G3 just in case.
Interesting to hear all the differences between SIDs and emulation. Although my ears still have a hard time dealing with the DK theme played that fast!
How cool! If I was closer to the Chicago area, I would have lived to have met you! I just live down by St Louis, MO. And, I hope to meet you one day. Thanks for the videos and what you’ve taught me.
When emulating an analog synthesizer, you likely get a way more cleaner sound compared to the original hardware that will always have some expected and unexpected flaws.
You should really get dummy batteries for your cameras so they're just powered directly off USB. They'll run cooler, and if they're mounted in a fixed position on your bench you can just leave the dummy battery hooked up there. Pop in a real battery if you need to move the cameras elsewhere and use them on a tripod or something.
A sound spectrum analyzer would give all of your viewers a clear picture of what you are explaining during you sound sampling, don't you think? I have never had or used one, but I am sure that will give a clear picture. I guess an oscilloscope would do the same thing as well. I'm not sure, just throwing a couple things out there for some people that may not hear the differences. I hear them and may just get those chips to test my theory out. Keep up your great work, and thank you for what you do.
Krowki! (pronounced Kroov-Key) I love Krowki. There are plenty of other polish candies that are good too, but those are one of my favorites. I'm not Polish but my wife is.
It was definitely a 'free for all' over in the free pile area. I brought down a couple boxes myself to contribute - I brought in the first box and when I remembered to check a short while later, I was satisfied the box had been well and truly pillaged except for one broken part. When I was about to leave, I brought in the remainder and people were already reaching over to stick their nose in the box before I had a chance to set it down. :)
Those Bonbons à l’érable are really good. I live near that place. Of course you can tell I’m telling the truth from the 100% french Canadian name I got.
I definitely agree with Adrian about having a table at an event like this; at some other collectors' events I have attended, I have sometimes shared a table with a friend. It is nice to have a 'home base' where you can relax and be found, and it's a good place to stash any goodies brought along for 'show and tell' or picked up during the show.
" I just turn the camera on and I start talking " That's actually a pretty big talent. A lot of people wouldn't be able to do it as easily as you seem to do. It makes the videos so darn relatable too.
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Great seeing you as always, and thanks for coming to our band's first gig!
You’re the beat guy 👍 you make videos that are like the golden patriot. Please run for office, from the retro political party. The banning of all technology built past 1998 with a emphasis on 80s computers. Move youtube to a TV service that you boys can send your videos too. Make it happen
Knipex: The O-slash is diameter, the marking is saying that it can handle up to 1.6mm diameter solid copper (Cu) leads and 1.0mm diameter solid steel (Fe) leads. That's 14 or higher AWG copper and 17 or higher AWG steel for single-stranded leads - more or likely much more if multi-stranded. Note that the blue fake ones you show from the 10-pack is rated for 0.040"/1.0mm diameter copper (again on the side), so they're much weaker than the Knipex and I'm not sure if that number is even real or just copied from the original, so it could be even weaker than that.
Thank you for the explanation! And I've been using the Knipex and they are SO MUCH better than the crap blue ones. I will definitely be sticking to name brand from now on...... too bad I bought the 10 pack but perhaps they can make good stocking stuffers for other people. :-) I have a feeling whatever is written on the blue ones is a total lie as well.
@@adriansdigitalbasement Or just as backup, they're so cheap you can have them everywhere at the same time. Yeah, the markings on the blue ones are probably just copied from whatever they cloned it from, so the difference is probably even larger. I mostly cut zip-ties with mine which they excel at thanks to the smaller jaws (until damaged trying to cut something more solid).
@@adriansdigitalbasement I'm surprised you didn't get it, I'm only a drummer with almost no tech skills and I did! ^
Blue ones is good to have around. You can abuse them without worrying they are destroyed.
Ruining a knipex because it was the only cutter you had near and was too lazy to go get a proper tool isn't fun.
@@adriansdigitalbasement Knipex is pronounced with the K, as you did first in the video.
Adrian, sorry if this has been asked before.. have you ever considered the dummy battery replacement adapters for you camera? Then no more worries about charging for your fixed cameras. They just load in and leave a pigtail hanging out to plug into some usb/etc power source. I've used them on various canon/sony/panasonic cameras with no trouble. Enjoyed the video! VCFMW was awesome!
It would likely be a good idea for this Panasonic as I never use it away from the desk anymore.... It's a good camera in that is never overheats, but yeah the battery issue is becoming annoying now. The USB port is Micro USB and it slowly drains the battery even though my other camera, a Sony (also Micro USB) can run indefinitely over USB power and never drains the battery. I'll look into it, thanks!
@@adriansdigitalbasement I've suggested this before, I have my GH5 running with a dummy battery and it's so much better! and also you avoid unnecessary battery waste
Still that SIDKick project is a great alternative for those that maybe need to experiment with reSID emulation or want an easy way to get a clear output (DAC version), but this is just the beginning and I imagine it would be very easy to upgrade that, not to mention cheap to make like you said.
Yeah just the fact you can quickly connect a USB cable and load new firmware is totally awesome. I really love everything using the RP2040!!
I'm so glad the table worked out. It can be nice to have a home base (with a chair so you can rest!).
And I can't believe I only saw you for the briefest of time the whole weekend!
@@adriansdigitalbasement Yeah, that's one of the downsides of running the show. Next time, maybe I'll be able to get away for a little.
20forbeers BBS is REALLY good. It's a fantastic representation of what BBSes were like. paulie has an amazing setup
I really need to check it out -- and yeah I see it is here in Portland, cool! I wonder if I've ever run into Paulie around town here?
my dad gave me his timex sinclair 1000 and he HATED it so much when it was new. I'm not even sure if it works, I'll have to open it up and see if it's still okay.
They are generally pretty reliable...... but just hard to use as they are RF only unless you mod them. And really, I think most people really didn't like them, and compared to a VIC-20, it they weren't even on the same planet when it came to usability and capabilities.
Those looked like a pain in the butt! I always wondered what some people thought of them at the time.
Built to a price, and you had to be into computers to enjoy it. Otherwise it looked like a pain, even for the time :)
My best friend had a ZX81 clone and we absolutely loved playing with the thing, warts and all. Typing in basic listings, changing things around to see what happened, making our own little programs was awesome. I do remember the 32K memory expansion being very finicky and the slightest touch would dislodge the connector and crash the system so that didn't get used much, but other than that, I only have fond memories of that thing. Granted, we were only around 7-8 years old at the time so it might not have taken much to impress us 😀
NECCO are awesome! Especially the licorice one (if you like licorice) :)
Grew up in New England so very familiar with NECCO (New England Confectionery Company) wafers. They were the 'candy' kids dreaded getting while out trick-or-treating on Halloween :P The uneaten leftovers were really good for decorating gingerbread houses come Christmas time as they made for excellent tiled roofs and pathways though!
Heh I don't like licorice, and inside the roll I had were a couple of them... but they weren't that strong of a taste so I was happy to still eat them. :-)
I've heard that NECCO is pronounced as "neck-oh".
@@adriansdigitalbasement That was ME that gave you those! Glad you are enjoying them.
Rarely got anything but the all-chocolate rolls. Never accept wooden nickels, but chocolate quarters are fine with me.
I’m thinking of the dual SID output of the SIDKick Pico and having both 6581 and 8580 playing on each channel at the same time.
That's funny -- It would be interesting to have them on the same address and then you could just pick which one you were listening to. I hadn't ever thought of that and I'm really not sure if that's possible or not.
I like doing that - albeit in real hardware which means I have to record the same song twice and then overlay them on the left/right channel. But wow this can sound awesome, especially with demanding songs.
Thanks for the SID comparison. I'm glad all these replacement projects exist and are under active development but I absolutely prefer to use the real thing and will continue to as long as it remains viable to do so. Many modern .sid compositions seem to be for the 8580 and I can't help but wonder if more effort has been put into replicating the sound of that variant instead of the 6581.
Yeah it's quite likely more work has just gone into the 8580 -- I also think it's more consistent and potentially easier to emulate, but I might be wrong there. I do really enjoy being able to switch between either type though (with the emulators) so for now I left the SIDKick DAC in my ZIF machine, and jumped the pads so the DAC is fed right out though the computer's audio jack.
@@adriansdigitalbasement also there are still way more 8580 left compared to all those 6581 revisions. And yes - IMHO all 8580 sound nearly the same. Tested my demoscene party lineup of c64 (10 8580 c64) and all of them sound - for my old ears - the same :)
compared to the 6581 where the revision, manufacture date and the star sign at manufacture modify the sound...
I think the Sidkick sounds more muffled compared to the original. I am using an ARMSID most of the time and it is perfectly fine, even if it's not perfect either. But you get used to it. I have an 8580 in my C64C though. And sometimes I use the old breadbin with a 6581. Sounds different again!
Having the Sidkick Pico as an option is awesome.
And with the pico I hear lots of clicking on note on events. Like the ARMSID and original SID better!
1:13:07 I suspect that’s how thick a wire (diameter in mm) can be cut with them without overstressing the blades.
Yes exactly, another viewer mentioned that. Something like 14 AWG for copper and 17 AWG for steel solid core. Very helpful and the Knipex are 100x better than the junk blue handle things. I'll never get the junk ones again now I've sampled what a good tool is like.
I'm eating some chocolate Necco wafers right now. Looks like Tractor Supply stocks them, they're $1.99 a roll.
I'm over 50 now, enjoyed having these as a kid in the 1980s. I like the chocolate ones more than the variety.
I've already finished off the entire roll since I shot this video ..... (and most of the other candy) So I'll surely need to find some more. I liked the variety of old-school tastes.
I’m on UA-cam! Was awesome to finally meet you, hope you enjoy the curly wurly. And Parma violets are not my favorite - like eating flowers.
TipiPEB is interesting. I've been thinking about doing that for the C64, for use as a coprocessor for real-time video or access to web API's, openAI or whatnot.
I kind of wonder if we could just use a RP2040 as a cart? One core use to talk to the C64 directly and the other to do all sorts of heavy lifting?
@@adriansdigitalbasement Nice idea!
There is a beatroot flavor neco wafer. You will know when you get that one it's like nothing else
Ha! I finished the roll, but I don't recall anything extremely unusual. Funny!
Necco!? I thought those were no longer made..
Another viewer reported buying a roll the other day, so I guess they still are!
They're still around, just not easy to find.
I used to be surprised when I'd see them in MA, don't see them in northern Maine.
I don't know if you noticed, but you are in PAL mode, and set the SID to NTSC. Maybe can explain some of the difference?
In my experiences, the ARMSID is the best alternative to an actual SID.
The SwinSID and SIDkick sounds like you've downloaded an MP3 with a garbage bit rate. Hissy and the highs are distorted and garbled.
Just one note Adrian, Drean Commodores were in fact made in Argentina for that market, but I am sure that some arrived to Brazil.
They are quite exotic, as you can find a C64C case style with an old 326298 board and a 6572 PAL-N VIC-II.
Seems that Drean used to buy old boards that did not pass QC from Commodore USA, repaired them and sold it on their products 😊
8bit Dance Party: 6581 AR4 sounds better because the lead is more clear and the waveform is a bit different compared to the SIDKick Pico.
The sad irony of these gatherings is that the presenters are all enthusiasts themselves and would probably prefer to be able to attend in the capacity of a guest, wandering around and checking out all the things, instead of manning their booths. It's gotta be even worse if you're a UA-camr, because you'll want to spend extra time at each booth showcasing what they have on camera, _and_ you'll be mobbed by your viewers all the time!
Would love to see the ts1000/zx81 repair :)
SID kick sounded very good, but not the same as the AR4. Kick sounded a bit too clean and didn't have some of the harmonics that made that song sound good. Non-ar4 maybe something wrong with it because it had noticeable distortions and dropouts.
I wonder if the DSP and playback in the SID Kick are handled as 8bit or 16bit audio? The distortion of the original chip sounds similar to what 8bit audio sounds like.
This is why people who put on these shows need to set aside a day (perhaps the monday following) for the presenters and exhibitors to be able to hang out sans public. So that they can network and relax.
At most tradeshows and similar, it is the day(s) before. You're usually spent after a show or meet.
58:25 Apparently the inventor of SCSI advocated for it to be pronounced like "SeCSI" (sexy) rather than scuzzy... I'm glad scuzzy won though.
Exactly. I remember way back in the day, Apple (? pretty sure it was Apple) tried for like 15 minutes to get people to pronounce it as 'sexy'. It never took off, as everyone said scuzzy instead.
I guess the original Sid Chips are all in an age where they slowly lose so e of their brilliance and dynamics , they Always Sound a little different from model to model so there ist No clear Standard you can compare the Sound to....
Build yourself a keyboard for the TS-1000/ZX-81. Schematics of the matrix are out there, and old TI-99/4A keyboards are perfect. I built one out like that in a Bud case many years ago, and it worked great. Use wire stripped out of a Cat 3 cable (solid-core 22 ga) to wire it up, which made dressing the harness a snap.
I can see I gotta make the trip to VCF (probably Southwest) one year or another. Looks like a really good time with great folks.
18:47 okay, now I need a cute comic where RAMy springs to life to complete their epic quest to, "Get the fly!" while you take a break to use the restroom. Fails to attack the fly, and only finds success by befriending the fly and dragging the half eaten candy off the bench. The last frame in the comic is you, happy that the fly is gone; the fly, happy with its candy; and RAMy, happy with their new friend.
Necco wafers! I love those - they were around in the '70s when I was a kid, and I have some friends who had them as well when they were growing up in the '50s. If I recall correctly, the flavors were cinnamon (white), orange, banana (yellow), chocolate (brown), licorice (black), wintergreen (pink), mint (green), and clove (purple).
Thats 6581R4AR, not AR4, meaning 4th release (R4) with Advanced Resonance (AR?). That's why the distortion is more emphasised on "regular" 6581 and R3 was the most common one. I remember having a discussion with 'Jeff' in ircnet (I guess at least 10 years ago) about the distortion effect and he wished that there was even more distortion. Those R4ARs are quite rare and sought after (and expensive).
Did you notice - playback app said for PAL but set-up on chip was set for NTSC clock. 😊
It's pronounced 'Neck Oh' waffers. They're mostly found in the New England area. They're one of the oldest, if not the oldest, candy companies in the country. I can't remember if they are.
I've toured their factory. It's not that I'm a huge fan of the candy, it's not bad, but it was something to do while I was in the area. (I've spent a lot of years in New England.)
I have a set of knipex bolt cutters that are quite nice. I got them at a thrift shop and the blade had big chunks broken out of them. Knipex replaced them under warranty without question. Very happy with their product and their service. I've also had good luck with Knipex flush cutters. I have a few sets of Hakko as well. They are pretty good. The pin on one Hakko bent/stretched when I cut some brass screws that were way bigger than what the pliers should be used for, but the blades were undamaged. I bought a new set, but then put a hardened hex socket screw in and the broken and then repaired pair worked as well as a new set. So Hakko is on the "Nice List" as well. I bought a pair of Klein flush cutters and they were junk and the blade didn't align. Klein is supposed to be decent, but as far as I'm concerned they are on the "Naughty List"
58:26 This is likely supposed to be pronounced, “Feeling Sexy.” 😘
1:04:13 count me for a Timex computer indoctrination. I hated it yet spent 100’s of hours with it, even had a modem. 42 years later it’s how I make a living. I still hate computers 😂
Dude! You'd never had Necco wafers?? I'm mildly amazed! Also, that whole roll is about the same size as an ordinary candy bar…
the write protect has to be black to block the light sensor properly. the light coloured one would bleed the light through...
The company that made the Neccos went out of business a few years ago. They made the Mary Janes that only came out for Halloween that I loved also. Never found a replacement.
Necco Wafers were made in Massachusetts for years. Pronounce it Neck-oh.
The '70s towel is becoming a minor celebrity.
Necco Wafers are #1. Nice score! I guess the computer stuff is cool as well
A hotel full of partying computer “nerds” lol
"cold snacks" Someone is a VGG fan. Nice
“I just turn the camera on and start talking.” Thank goodness for editing!
when your blood sugar drops, do you get shaky and just dont feel good? i have not been tested but sometimes i will get like that, i eat something sweet and before long i feel fine again.
Get tested, diabetes is no joke. You don't want to go blind because you ignored your symptoms. OTOH, you might just be hypoglycemic. But you won't know until you see a doctor and find out.
Take it from someone who hates doctors and medical care, ignoring symptoms is NOT a good idea.
Love the cross stitch
the Timex Sinclair 1001 uses the zx spectrum case and keyboard and it is still a 1000 just it has a different bug in its basic than the 1000
It was TS1500.
@@williamdeslauriers9647 ya i forgot the numbe and have one in a box with 3 1000
@@redknight4 No problem, enjoy it anyway!
So great!
Serving size isn’t about what you “should” consume, but rather establishing how much of the product the measurements apply to. Some manufacturers will play games with it. Sometimes it just doesn’t make sense. For instance, 12 ounce cans of coke and 20 ounce bottles are both “1 serving, as is the 16.9 ounce half liter size, but the 1.25 liter size is 3.5 servings of 12oz.
Good choice on what you brought. I didn't initially notice the table while you were away at lunch but there was a young lad excitedly explaining the field 64 to his father! Apparently it made quite an impression.
An rgb keyboard for the c64 would be cool, also for the amiga a600
You need a second zif64 to directly compare the audio etc
Those Knippex cutters are GREAT! We use them for cutting CAT.7 cables in ethernetports and they cut absolutely flush. BTW in German it is pronounced with k
Drumsticks and Palma Violets I really like. Currly Whurly are my least favourite. Too hard espeically after being in the fridge.
One thing you seem to have missed is the fact that you can emulate dual SID with one board alone.
1:13:15 that's the suggested maximum wire diameter specs they are designed to cut. Given that it's German, those are either millimetres (0.063 inches for copper wires and 0.04 inches for iron wires) or AWG Metric (I believe it's called?, meaning 0.000031155in² cross-section for copper and0.000012167in² cross-section for iron, equivalent to AWS 34 for Cu and between AWG 38 to 39 for Fe).
1:17:03 if you go to his webpage instead of his GitHub, then to the Retro Computing section and click on TI-99/4A, it describes the TIPI as a "storage and network solution", so basically a Wi-Fi adapter and SSD in one.
The analog filters are the hardest part for people programming a synthesizer. That's why there was the most differentiation audible between those SID emulations. The pure waveforms are less difficult. Probably they need to analyze specific sounds when the filter is being engaged from the original SID and look about the harmonics. The ARM SID was the closest.
The Pippin was a game console that was a joint project between Apple and Bandai, the Japanese toy company. It was both a specific console and the name for the overall open multimedia platform, that Apple licensed to Bandai, the makers of the first and only console/device to feature the platform/OS. The Pippin console was based on Apple PPC hardware and the classic Mac OS system. It was intended to be both a game console and a multimedia device, sort of like the CD-I platform from Phillips and Sony.
It was all a complete failure. Apple had intended to license the technology to other companies but no one beyond Bandai Pippin showed interest and once it’s Pippin console failed, the final nail was in the coffin for the Pippin platform.
It was an incredible show. Sorry I wasn't able to talk with you, but I was tied to several tables, talking to many interesting & curious customers. It was busy. Next year, if you're looking for chip clips, we'll have some at our table, for a very reasonable price.
As always, I enjoy your content. Keep up the good work!
Hey Adrian xx Thanks again for a great video.. AArgh I so wish I could attend an event like the VCF you were at recently. That said, There are some great vintage computer, audio and HAM radio rallies and trade shows here in the U.K The C64 SID sounds will always sound good to my ears. You know why ? Because I had a Spectrum 🤣😆🤣 Also though, I guess although you tried the mqny different versions. the sound will never sound as good as it did back then x Love your show .x.
That Gateway 2000 mousepad reminds me of my early PC repair days working on Gateway and IBM Windows 3.11 computers at my second networking job. Every one of the machines was connected to the Lotus 123 system via Token Ring adapters.
I think those sid chips don't sound to bad actually. Especially for gaming and things like that.
For music the originals do have a richer sound though.
These long, unscripted and spontaneous videos are great 👍
The Swinsid certainly doesn't sound "right", pitch is off for starters sounding a little flat, but it sounds much richer than the SID Kick. The latter sounds band-limited and rather "rough". ARMSID IMHO sounds better than the SID Kick. ReSID sounds richer than SID Kick also but the filter action is quite different to the original.
A Brit here. Almost 60 now. Back in school days, kids would either love or hate Parma Violets. I see there is a wikipedia page now as well. Apparently Parma Violets flavoured cheese and cider have been made. Going back, it also says that lozenges flavoured with violets were made before 1620.
Generally for emulations using PWM if filter is not ideal, listening on speakers (by analog path) may do much difference.
I don't know it was noticable on speakers but about @30:00 in Ode to C64 on YT sounds have diffrent "timbre", but maybe it is only YT compression algorithm artifact
You know, while watching the part on the SIDKicks, it got me thinking, why did they not just call their Raspberry Pi Pico, the Raspberry "PiCo" (as in pie-co)? I think that way sounds better... :D
If the SIDKICK is cheap enough, who cares about precise accuracy? I recommend Hakko CHP-170 Micro (Cross) Cutters. Not expensive at all.
I think that's a cross stitch.
yeah that's a cross stitch. My mom does it. The color changes are litterally tieing it off in the back and then starting with new thread, but you can do all of one color and then switch. It's not like a printer. You can do each "pixel" in any order you please.
Adrian, I enjoy your vids very much. About pin cutters, 1:14:40, have you checked out the clippers for nails of small birds like parakeets or budgies? Also, I snitched an old pare of (cutical?) cutters from my wife and they worked perfectly. Just an idea I thought I'd throw out there. Oh, and I snitched the old cutters after getting new ones for her. I even got a smooch out of the deal!
we've got c64s and c128 made (or assembled) by Drean in Argentina. didn't know it was also available on Brazil, or viceversa!
Love my RCTP. I put it together over a weekend and didn't screw up anywhere (there's a first for everything).
I don't think it's too difficult or complex to DYI. Maybe a 7/10 or thereabouts.
It seems like the non ARM SID replacements all seem to lack the distortion of a real SID. It's really noticeable on the big DOOSH of the drum. I mean I have a later model C64 with the newer SID model, which would sound quite different to yours, but it still has that distinct distortion that every C64 I've ever used had.
I mean, still a great device, especially for the price, I'm just trying to give some constructive feedback in case the people doing the firmware are reading.
The CU 1.6 Fe 1.0 are the suzes of copper and iron wires they can cut without damaging them.
It's very convenient to me that this video is so much about SIDs!
I just got my hands on my first C64 (not available in my country) and the sound didn't work, but thanks to the many, many hours I spent watching your channel I was able to verify that the SID was defective. I got a SIDkick and for my untrained ears, it sounds awesome!
Thank you so much for your content, I'm a huge fan!
I remember using those disks. I had tons of them at my house back in the 80s. And lots of what is called Shareware programs. I ran a BBS on my computer in 1995. I even found a new friend when I connected to his BBS. While I was looking at his BBS, he did a chat mode with me, and he found out I lived close, and I met him at his house. He is still a very cool friend to me. And I still have a SCSI drive. I have an older computer I use and still have it running on that SCSI drive!
I had a great time at VCFMW19 and it was nice meeting you Adrian. Thank you for taking the time for a picture and some genuine conversation!
hello adrian...thanks for this clip..🙂 a very nice place to be as computer...retrofreak..! Being at a US retro trade fair would be really awesome!...All the best to you and all retro fans on this channel and a nice autumn 2024.. your KRautROckt!er from Chemnitz,Saxony...Ger 🙂 PS: sorry for my lousy english! 😞
SID test suggestion: Attract mode music from Terra Cresta - especially when the trumpet-like lead gets going. As an aside; this guy has something to say about crt discharging and C= monitor flyback ua-cam.com/video/DrCk67XfqXg/v-deo.html (I recommend the whole thing, but from 37:30 if you want to skip).
A quick on Amazon and that Knipex seems to go for $27. It may be worth it if it lasts and works really well, but I doubt you'll buy spares. Instead, the cheap ones will be your spares for when you can't find the good one or don't want to risk damaging it.
Hi Adrian I think the 2 products you wee sent working together with the dac and pwm give the most accurate sound of how it sounded when recorded from the original synths.
I think with the original commodore 64 sids remember were from. The early 1980s. So tthose original sid chips could not accurately reproduce the actaul original sounds.
And Adrian I have a, sound engineer like ear.
So I can hear all the sounds even from the original sid but with those 2 dac and pwm cards combined together I can hear all the sounds accurately and cleanly which is the intent.
And I am still recovering from a ruptured ear drum.
Hope that helps but the fact that those cards can so vividely and accurately capture and reproduce your original sounds so well and clear is huge progress.
For a moment, I was suffering from terrible deja-vu - 'have I watched this before? This feels so familar, and yet there's definitely bits in here I don't recognise.'
Took me until 56 minutes in to realise it's because I also watched 8-Bit Show and Tell's video and he happened to pick up some of the same stuff as you! :D
If the fw of the reDIP-SID wasn't updated in a while then there was a complete rewrite in the mean time that is much closer to a real chip.
Not that it matters but can PowerPC Mac be emulated?.I have emulators running for 68040, System 8.0, but have a few G4 Powerbooks to run a program I run on the G4 from that time. I think you need a G4 or G3 just in case.
Interesting to hear all the differences between SIDs and emulation. Although my ears still have a hard time dealing with the DK theme played that fast!
How cool! If I was closer to the Chicago area, I would have lived to have met you! I just live down by St Louis, MO. And, I hope to meet you one day. Thanks for the videos and what you’ve taught me.
When emulating an analog synthesizer, you likely get a way more cleaner sound compared to the original hardware that will always have some expected and unexpected flaws.
You should really get dummy batteries for your cameras so they're just powered directly off USB. They'll run cooler, and if they're mounted in a fixed position on your bench you can just leave the dummy battery hooked up there. Pop in a real battery if you need to move the cameras elsewhere and use them on a tripod or something.
A sound spectrum analyzer would give all of your viewers a clear picture of what you are explaining during you sound sampling, don't you think? I have never had or used one, but I am sure that will give a clear picture. I guess an oscilloscope would do the same thing as well. I'm not sure, just throwing a couple things out there for some people that may not hear the differences. I hear them and may just get those chips to test my theory out. Keep up your great work, and thank you for what you do.
Along with those other UK sweets/candy, we used to have something call "Midget Gems", but I guess the name is not really appropriate these days...
Krowki! (pronounced Kroov-Key) I love Krowki. There are plenty of other polish candies that are good too, but those are one of my favorites. I'm not Polish but my wife is.
That warbling startup when after you connected the audio leads was hilarious. Then.. "hm, tap tap." A very Rube Goldberg moment.
It was definitely a 'free for all' over in the free pile area. I brought down a couple boxes myself to contribute - I brought in the first box and when I remembered to check a short while later, I was satisfied the box had been well and truly pillaged except for one broken part. When I was about to leave, I brought in the remainder and people were already reaching over to stick their nose in the box before I had a chance to set it down. :)
Those Bonbons à l’érable are really good. I live near that place. Of course you can tell I’m telling the truth from the 100% french Canadian name I got.
"Good Sound For Enjoyable Life" sounds like a Chinese translation of a marketing slogan. :D
I definitely agree with Adrian about having a table at an event like this; at some other collectors' events I have attended, I have sometimes shared a table with a friend. It is nice to have a 'home base' where you can relax and be found, and it's a good place to stash any goodies brought along for 'show and tell' or picked up during the show.
" I just turn the camera on and I start talking "
That's actually a pretty big talent. A lot of people wouldn't be able to do it as easily as you seem to do. It makes the videos so darn relatable too.
The Knipex pliers are capable of cutting copper wire up to 1.6mm in diameter and 1.0mm steel wire.
Greetings from Germany,
Marcus
I swear I heard a difference in ODE with the original pico. The 2nd one sounds better IMO.
I have a soft spot for this type of music. So unique, and a product of it's time. Was really big into the tracker scene with the Commodore Amiga.
Back in the 1970s, there was an American version of the Curly Wurly bar, it was called Marathon.
Songs about retro computers. Now there's a subject Whose Line hasn't covered yet. How many on a CD, Colin?