Big promise or FAILURE ? - Moza R21 FFB experience
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- Опубліковано 23 сер 2024
- The sim racing steering wheel bases and equipment in general have exploded the last few years and I am constantly testing different direct drive wheel bases and in this video will share my experience with the most powerful wheel base from Moza and compare it with the Simucube 2 and Simagic Ultimate.
Sim Racing Garage full video review- • MOZA R21 Wheelbase Review
It is the R21 better or worse ?
Sim rig info:
Simucube 2 Pro
Simagic Alpha Ultimate
Moza R21
Moza R9
Cammus 15nm Direct Drive WB
Simagic SQ Shifter
Simagic DS-8X shifter
SG Racing Pro SQ shifter sg-racing.co.uk....
Heusinkveld Pro Pedals
SimLab 4 monitors stand
GoPro Hero 10 Black
Black Magic 4k cinema camera
Dual PC system Specs
AZZA Ragnarok 801 Dual PC Case
Intel i9 10900k
Nvidia RTX 3090
Intel i9 9900k
Nvidia Quadro RTX 4000
iiyama 32inch1440p 144hz 1mls triple screen Setup
Dell 24 inch Pro on top
Simagic SQ Shifter
Fanatec H-Brake
Hsimracing Cooling system
Mirco Seat RS1
Valve Index VR
Samson G Track Pro
I have this base and the FSR rim with the CRP pedals.
No regrets whatsoever, completely happy with the purchase.
I got the r21 on sale and replaced original r5. I’m blown away! I’ve set max torque at 90%. It’s improved my driving performance significantly. Fighting the wheel I am more cautious with corner speeds. As a result i can finally complete races with out crashing 😂
The R21 is really good base Oliver 💪
at 5:10 you mention Wheel Spring and Wheel damper that you keep it OFF and I never bothered mine was both always at 100 on Fanatec DD2. I tested today with both spring and damper OFF on ACC with car/track combo I know very well and indeed it made a difference, Could feel the car more and detailed and correcting oversteer was much better and faster. So now it stays on OFF forever :)
Always learning something from your video´s ! Thanks brother !💪
That’s awesome brother 😃💪
I have had this base for a few months and been really happy with it. Before I bought it, I compared a lot of the options and came to conclusion that I would probably be happy with any of them what comes to the base itself. So it was more about the bigger picture, what wheel I want, ecosystem, what I would need to attach it to rig, total cost, availability where I live and so on. I was seriously considering VRS with few wheel options, but in the end that would have ended up costing slightly more and had some downside for me personally, so I went with Moza. One thing to note, is that you cannot mount any non-Moza dash to R16/R21, unlike for R9 (and the Moza's own dash is lacking compared to stuff you can do with simhub dashes). That is probably the biggest downside I can think of in the base itself (side mounting the base is possible with adapter, so that part is not really a problem).
ps. 21nm is more than I would ever need. I could have settled for R9 even.
Thanks for the feedback brother 🤛
Have a wonderful weekend 🍻
Men, I said Last year, I said now also: I love you! Your videos are amazing and I really like the explanations and also I like that you are harsh with the gear that you are testing. With a lot of apprection and respect, a simple simracer salute you.
你是獨一無二的兄弟，介紹的質量越來越高了！！！
Appreciate the upload bro, im currently using the r9 and think i stick with it for the moment, focusing more on my next rig 🤔
R9 is absolutely brilliant Base man 💪
@Race Beyond Matter yeah I have to admit im really enjoying it, maybe not the wife so much 😅
Sorry to ask but your ffb settings you did a while back still relevant or have you made changes?
Appreciate your time bro 🍻
Thank you very much for your review!
People say that a DD wheel with a lot of NM, Will not make you faster, After realising my setting was wrong on RaceRoom and turning the FFB up as it was low, Damn the steering was a lot more accurate, So in turn it will make you faster, Being able to feel the back end swing out more, Hitting the corners how you want because of the accuracy, As long as you are accurate yourself, lol, And I am yet to still try a DD wheel, But after turning my FFB up on my little Logitech, lol, I know Logitech, Sorry, lol I can feel the difference, So I can understand a DD wheel can make you a little bit faster, Maybe it is all about the pedals, But I can understand a Quality DD wheel will make you more stable on the track, In turn improving the lap times, I ain't watched Sim Racing Garage for a long time, Glad you reminded me about him, Sim Racing Garage not come up in my recommendations...
I do plan on upgrading my rig next with a new DD wheel and pedals, After hearing the price, I am interested, I can prob afford that after a few months of putting some thing aside. Fingers crossed, But I will defo be looking into the Moza pack.....
Hope you is well bro, Peace...
Thanks for the review! 👍
Hello Beyond, I love your videos. I've been watching you for a long time since simracing is our passion. I haven't been doing this for a long time (about 2 years, my name on the track is Mig Santos) especially for your humility, sincerity and your sincere comments. done in a very subtle way. I'm getting information to make the jump to direct drive and so far I'm loving the 9nm moza base (I think it's enough for me and my level right now) I wanted to ask you two questions 1. Do you think it's the d.d brand that can help us surprise everyone with a good ecosystem and good value for money in an average period of time?. 2. I love your monitors and I see that you use the iiyama 32" but could you be more specific about the exact model you use? I think they are 1500r and I see that you use them with an rtx3090 which makes me think that it is either g-sync compatible or g-sync, I'm asking because I have great doubts, I don't know whether to buy 3 Samsung g7 1000r or what you use the iiyama since in the immediate future I want to establish my triple configuration with 32", sorry for the bible I wrote to you, Greetings friend and continue like this with you, it is always a pleasure.
Great as always ! 👍Greetings ! 👊
Another great video , Is there any chance you could share your simucube pro settings for wheel software and iracing settings preferably for formula cars as i'm struggling to get mine to feel right
I cant decide fanatec clubsport csl 15nm or this moza r21 ? Similar pricing if you add all the other stuff like the wheel and pedals
Sounds like an R16 is about the sweet spot of the Moza range to be fair, the R12 gets you the 12bit encoder where as the 16 and the 21 is the 18bit
Are you streaming the 12h Bathurst? Btw, massive congrats 40k subs (and climbing!)
Thanks Buddy 😃
Big incident finished our car in lap 1 🙈🤣
@@chepilevski Ach daaaaammmmnnn.
I really like your videos. I have to say FFB is very different in these Games/Simulations. You compare the Base’s in iRacing, right? I remember jumping from Thrustmaster T300 to SC Pro2 on iRacing blows my mind. But driving the first time rFactor2 a few months later with this Base was insane. So maybe some feedback in different games could help.
Test mostly iR, ACC and AMS2! IRacing is indeed the FFB I’m mostly used to and understand the most but they perform well in the other sims too !
rF2 is the sim I have to install in my PC at some point as I constantly hear great things about the FFB there .
@@chepilevski Definitely give it go! rF2 FFB is very strong and detailed. Should match perfect to compare wheelbases.
@@chepilevski give RF2 a chance but I warn you it can spoil iracing due to how much better it feels. Rf2 has an amazing ability to translate seat of the pants feeling and you get the adrenaline with it like driving a real car at speed. Defo give it a try Chepi when you get an hour free ✊
Did you test the fanatec csl dd 8nm?
I feel it might be good enough, as I have already fanatec wheel. But in another hand, I don't want to miss something.
Decision, decision...
Great video as always. May i ask a question? I am selecting my 1st dd wheelbase now. Coming from the csw 2.5 and race mainly gt3, tcr and prototypes. Wich one do you think is the best choice from your point of view?The simagic alpha, moza r16 or the vrs directforce pro? Will be paired with the cube controls f-core. I would tend to a simucube but thats 500 bucks more and maybe too much for me. Thanks in advance
Hi buddy
From my experience there are no real advantages between those powerful bases in the way I use them !
On paper the VRS must be the best electronics wise as it has crazy encoder but whatever you take you won’t miss anything as every time I switch base I found in 20 minutes I totally forget in which dd system I am !
Just go for the most affordable if you want to save some cash or choose the one you like the most from esthetic point of view or ecosystem for future upgrades!
@@chepilevski thanks for your answers. Actually the vrs is the cheapest. I can get it for 810 euros with the mounting bracket and adapter. But do i really need 20nm? I dont need that much power and it will be running at 60% max force or less. I need details not power. I found the strenght of the csw ok just details and reaction was not good. Will the alpha mini deliver enough details or will it be maxed out ? I prefer simagic over vrs because of ecosystem and looks.
I don’t notice noise with my SC2 Pro like you mention? Maybe it’s because I’ve not been listening for anything. SC2 is still the benchmark but more products on the market is better for all of us (the consumer) and from what you’re saying you can’t really tell much, if any difference.
Most of my friends using my settings have that noise as well 🙈
It doesn’t bother me at all as I’m driving with headphones 😁
You are getting that noise if you are not using the Simucube force reconstruction filter !
I your opinion: I am currently in the Moza ecosystem with the R9 but I want to upgrade. Would you recommend the Simagic alpha ultimate over the R21 please help as I am torn between the 2. Be blessed brother
Honestly I enjoy a lot the Alpha U and R21 equally and cannot find reason from FFB quality point of view the pick up winer !
They are both absolutely great buddy and is more about which eco system you want to join!
@chepilevski thanks for the input brother, I appreciate it.
If only Moza had PS5 compatibility there would really be no reason to look elsewhere. As a PSVR 2 guy it is endlessly frustrating seeing these amazing wheels and their price without being able to join the Moza party.
around 10nm you suggest r9, alpha mini or just wait for sc to release a mid tier base?
Sc isn’t releasing anything soon they have 3 tiers of wheel bases
Between R9 and alpha mini is not big difference at all my suggestion is always to check which steering wheels you prefer the most and which have better prices for your area!
looks like along r21 base moza has send to you even their HGP shifter (if i'm not wrong). Any aprossimative ETA about the review embargo?
Tomorrow will be up buddy 🤛😃
Hello beyond, where i live i can basically get a moza r16 for same price than a simagic alpha mini, which one should i get?
The R16 is better and stronger than the Simagic Mini in my opinion!
I’m driving on R16 V2 in the last few weeks before make video about it and I’m really impressed
There is not much videos about particular subject. Everybody is talking about price and performance, but nobody about reliability of those dd wheels
I guess is too early and if someone give statement will be false I believe 🙈
I can clearly say my SC2 pro is 3 years old and still performs as new wen I’ve tested it against the Ultimate and sport ! Those have to be pushed at least for few years before we know how will they perform 😞
its a question that can only be answered after a long term.
Fwiw SIMAGIC has been around for a number of years already. 4th year to be precise. So while relatively new, it's long enough to prove it's reliability and longevity
@@wangte27 Thanks for reply. Number of years on the market place doesn't show reliability of the product. Fanatec is also 10 years on the market place, but many people say it's not that reliable. Many issues reported (disconecting mid game etc...). I know it can't be answered in a short term use of the product, but these dd wheels are on the market for a few years now. Like RBM replied about simucube (owning the product for 4 years without any issues), we need more that kind of onformation. It's a big selling point for me who want invest in sim racing long term.
@@BurkyHC well then there's no possibility of even judging reliability with Moza as they haven't even been around long enough to do so.
Can you please review R21 V2 too?
I don’t know if I will have the chance to do that but I have done review on R16 V2 and felt bit better then the R21 V1.
They are very good bases and I like a lot the Moza FFB
@@chepilevski I have seen your R16 V2 video. Though R21 V2 improvements can be slightly better or worse. Thanks for your great reviews.
@@mkatakm anything is possible but I doubt there will be any difference with good settings!
@@chepilevski Thanks for the advice. I just ordered an R21 V2 to upgrade from R12. I am sure I will like it.
*Failure
Typo in the video title I guess
Irony :)
@@froomer17 🤣🤣🤣
I’m really good of doing those mistakes 🤣
Thx for mentioning 🍻
Moza or Simagic ????
Honestly is very hard to put one on top of the other, Simagic have bit better wheels but Moza bit better prices !
I would have said simagic .... BUT ... sending it back at my expense, in the event of a breakdown, to the parent company, poses a big problem for me.
Eventually it will be moza for me
@@THESHADOW97139 ???? U generally send a simagic product back to your distributor when there is an issue. I’ve used both products and much much prefer the simagic.
@@gulfcoaster210 🤨 These are not the returns that I read here and there .... there would be differences in treatment, depending on the country?? 🤔
Me too, I prefer simagic ... but unless formal clarification on this detail, I'm stuck on moza
@@THESHADOW97139 I know for a fact here in the us u deal directly with the distributor. Not sure in other regions.
Simagic or Simucube ?
Simucube is still safer choice but Simagic prices are very appealing particularly with the wheels choices ! In terms of experience, Simagic can be just bit smoother in some settings but that is minor differences! If the price is the main point, Simagic is the way to go! If you want to be 100% sure about reliability SC2 is rock solid and I need to push the Simagic for at least a year before talk about reliability!
So sell my SC2 pro?
Honestly I’m staying with Moza until I need the the upgrade of SC
Simucube 2 pro is way better then this hands down. This is a downgrade from a simucube even a simucube 2 sport with 17nm is still better
SC2 is the benchmark not just from FFB experience but longevity too😃
Moza and Simagic found the way to become really close from FFB experience in very short time and bring better prices but we need time to see how well they keep with the years !
@@chepilevski But my sc2p died at the first day because of the power supply...So I went to Fanatec..But anyway I really really like your every review videos! You are the one only tell truth!