There are now new subdivisions advertising no HOA's to attract home buyers. That's how bad it has become. HOA started out as a good way to keep neighbourhoods tidy property values up. But in too many cases have become a source of over policing targeting certain neighbors ignoring your buddies blatant violations etc.
Non HOA'S are actually in High demand - especially for those who have lived in one. It's NOT worth the money, control issues, or stress. Mine used to be decent, but then came the Control freaks! Literally breaking All kinds of Laws!! They should be outlawed all together.
Some poeple love to live under extreme rule. The country you live in has rules, then the state, then the county, then the city, then the neighborhood... Our jobs have rules, our households, language, math, physics, etc... all have rules. Then... people join religions with even more rules. Humans are naturally unruly and self-serving, yet addicted to tribalism, so... the rules are layered very deep out of necessity.
The idea is so you don't get bad neighbors that do things like having dead lawns and loud noise, but I agree it is not worth it when they get stupid and have way too many rules, payments, and fees. I would never live in one. My house, I do what I want.
@@JohnDoe-yq8ox Wealthy out of towner bought a house an a family street and complains to the city about toys in the front yard. She also complains about the work trucks on our street, it's half residential half commercial. She knew this when she was looking at buying the house. My other neighbor works 3 jobs and now his taxes are going up do to the renovations the other neighbor had made. Mine too. It's a racket meant to force us to sell or foreclose so the property is available for investment buyers like her.
We were looking for a place and the ones in the newer neighborhoods had HOAs and didn't advertise it in the listing. We had to ask the realtor about it and a lot of the time they hesitated before answering. Of course we walked away then and there. They know people don't like them and literally try to hide it hoping it's a non issue with the buyers but those who know this evil knows.
@@littlerayofsunshine69 exactly! Part of moving out of your parents house and buying a home is to do whatever you want. Why do the same and pay for it?
When i was looking for a house in Tampa I only looked in older neighborhoods without HOA's. My neighbors are great we all get along but stay out of each others business. Buying a house is a big step and I wont let anyone tell me how to live in my own house.
@ sunfreak69 - yep, and I bet those older neighborhoods are being kept up just fine, aren't they?? I'm serious when I say that! HOA's create a situation for a Lot of Miserable people to cause drama for other's, by telling on them. Especially if there is a N'hood Facebook - smh!
My fiancée and I are going to be house-hunting after our wedding. I made it very clear to her that I do NOT want to live in an HOA community. I told her she could decorate the house however the hell she wanted, she could even paint the outside of it purple and pink for all I cared. As long as it's not an HOA house. Lol 😂
That "attorney" is everything wrong with the legal profession. You can't justify petty people with power gone to their heads as necessary. If an HOA needs a lawyer, you know it is corrupt and hiding.
Well, the legal profession is filled with which type of ethnic group? The "attorney" is with which type of ethnic group? That's why the legal profession is a dumpster fire. It's as simple as that
@@neil999ishI worked in HOA. It's not the HOA board that has the Lawyers on retainer. It's the property management corporation that pays for the lawyers. Just a quick heads up. When you by in to an HOA, your not buying the land only the house. The property corporation owns the land, your just buying the house. So that being said..the HOA board answers and does the bidding of the property management company and lawyers. The board's job is to line the property management bank accounts and pockets. I worked in enough of them and went toe to toe with board members & even the lawyer. I even got 2 layers from a HOA/property management company disbarred in FL. Yeap the only security guy who kept videos, pictures and lots of notes and copies of incident and daily activity reports. In one case, the HOA president was banning the married property management lawyer. In lue of not having to pay his dues and fees as well doing her bidding to go after only certain people. The other the HOA board and the property management lawyer tried to do everything they could to turn the community pool in to adults only. They made the pool club house area a swingers deal with family and kids in the community. She wanted the HOA to find ways to force the family out with kids.. The lawyer, all the board members went to jail most got 1-3 yrs prison time..the community no longer run as a HOA. The city and county took legal action and got the HOA disbanded.
Not only that, she lied and is a coward. She said to come to the next meeting during the conversation at her front door. Then at the meeting, she said she didn't know why they were there and didn't feel "comfortable" after she invited the crew. If she has nothing to hide, then why restrict guests at the meeting? She deserved to be ousted.
Most people only learn until the fourth grade about their own language. Then they start changing it to however way they want to say things or they just don't remember the correct way and they continue to speak incorrectly
@@Livetoeat171 yep. Most people just tend to follow what ever trendy speech pattern there is and using social osmosis pick up new words, sometimes not even understanding what those words mean themselves. Actually really sad, but not much you can do to help that besides shaming those people more.
@@lvbadboy I didn’t see any slobs busy regular homes lol get off the high horse before you fall on your face but if seems like you have experience with that
I’m sure, if not for this ending up on the news, the former HOA president wouldn’t have stepped down and would’ve happily have continued her reign of terror against those speaking out against her. Why do you think some of the neighbors were scared to come on camera for ‘fear of retaliation’? That lady was a tyrant. She probably acted smug thinking this wouldn’t get further than a few complaints, but lo and behold she was put on blast and too scared to show her face when the cameras started rolling.
Exactly. No character to the place at all but that's the goal of many of these planned communities. Interesting when I first started to visit St. Louis there was an area neighborhood with some beautiful unique homes. I was stunned. Up a few blocks was a new "development-cookie cutter homes probably printed out and assembled AND advertising a full service HOA!!!-from the low 200s. This was over 10 years ago.
Trust me, I know it sounds shitty? But it's also the ONLY way to stop piece of shit neighbors from doing wtf ever they want to your neighborhood. I've seen it both ways, I've felt like they were targeting ME in the past, and I also have broken rules and had it coming. Most of the time it's somewhere in the middle, both could give a little.
Fines should definitely be reserved only for things that actually effect peoples lives & health such as persistent late night noise, not flags & flowers
What did you expect moving in next door to other people? HOA s are pretty much where all the Karen's of the world live. Something about taking other people's rights away while giving themselves more makes them happy inside, kind of like Stalin. Plus, added benefit, HOA neighborhoods all look The Truman Show, fake and lifeless...
We had an out of control HOA with exactly the same issues, selective enforcement, threatened me with fines if I didn't take my cameras down, no elections, etc. Five of us rallied the neighborhood, started a petition, and overthrew the wicked HOA witch. Now we're the board, hopefully the petty power doesn't corrupt😂😂
This type of corrupt behavior and practice with HOA’s and Condo Associations are more prevalent than is exposed. We’re dealing with the same scenario in Hawaii (lot’s of corruption here) where sabotage and scheming is a norm and must be stopped.
We backed out from buying an HOA home, the restrictions were unacceptable. We could only use the garage to park our cars, it could not be used for any other activities. Failure to maintain two parking spots in the garage resulted in fines.
HOA managers need to be regulated. The HOA next to mine is bankrupt because the manager fled with HOA funds. Also, developers put things in the HOA rules to benefit them. It can take years for home owners to outnumber the number of votes the developer has for empty lots.
They regulated by the residents that vote. If the residents want more control they can add that to the bylaws. I’m not sure of regulation you think would help love somebody not steal money.
@@neilkurzman4907 I used to be an HOA president. It is very hard to change the by-laws. Requires a supermajority. The bylaws are established by the developer who has a majority of the votes until a majority of the lots have been sold. The developer puts in stupid rules designed to keep values high but make it difficult for people living there. But that is not my main concern. The biggest problem is you have to hire a manager to take in dues and maintain HOA property. I think a lot of these property managers are not honest.
@@neilkurzman4907 My neighborhood is divided into 2 HOAs. The other one had a property manager steal all the funds. Now that HOA is broke and people living there can't sell and have huge HOA fees because of this. I also think some of these managers take kick backs on maintenance contracts for lawn care, pool maintenance, road and gate repair. I would like to see HOA managers licensed and regulated because of this.
@@KenShew325 My condo is broken up into two homeowners associations And an HOA. Over the past 30 years I haven’t seen any of the things that people are complaining about here. I’m assuming somebody could steal our money. Our board must be residents. I can’t speak about the rules and other states.
There SHOULD be All kinds of Laws Against HOA'S. People Don't understand ... HOA"s (the Bully board members) Can change those bylaws Any Time they see fit. I did NOT sign for the Many changes that have been made. This should be Unlawful. Selective covenants are Very common. Fighting HOA"s are expensive. I "think" I might be lucky enough that my board is SO CORRUPT, that Hopefully the District Attorney's office will prosecute the Board for their Real CRIMES, and their Retaliation actions.
Perhaps there should be a “checks and balance” system to keep the HOA honest. No citations unless five neighbors not on the HOA board agree there’s a problem and are willing to sign a document.
That's what happened to a buddy of mine and his wife. They bought a nice house in a community in the Cincy suburbs which happened to be an HOA, and it actually went good for them for a few years. Then the person who was leading the HOA left and a guy that he happened to have trouble with 15 years earlier in high school came in. I'm sure you can guess that it all went downhill from there. My friend and his wife ended up eating $10,000 just to sell their house and get the hell out of there. They ended up buying a fixer-upper in the city, and they live there now and love it. The neighbors are awesome, and most importantly, they don't have to follow a bunch of stupid rules anymore.
Malicious compliance is the answer. I lived in a community that tried to institute an HOA. I declined to participate and they decided to fine me out of the neighborhood I lived in for nearly 10 years. When we went to court the Judge just laughed, counseled The "HOA" they had no authority to fine me. I got $48k and they were order to pay my costs. Turned out later the HOA president, an Attorney, had done this same thing before in 3 other states. He was severely beaten one night in his driveway. No witnesses came forward. He sold his house and moved away.
Why anyone would give up their rights to belong to an HOA is beyond me. They get what the wanted and don't like it. Same thing happened in central Europe 90 yrs. ago. Narragansett Bay
I support a full on ban on all "HOA". This additional bureaucracy on top of the already other buraucracy we have to worry about from our government is insane, no one should support it at all. Anyone mentioning property value we should start thinking of houses like cars financially.
Frightening. I only have experience of an HOA at my friend’s former subdivision townhouse, and she experienced none of this, though I am by no means disputing the claims of these residents as I’ve since heard more horror stories. Hers could sometimes seem a bit high handed but always provided a warning or an update on their portal whenever changes were implemented. I’d been tempted by HOA neighborhoods after visiting hers and seeing how nicely kept and regulated it was, but now I’m rather glad that I did not go down that rabbit hole.
Bad HOAs exist, we had one but we got rid of them. Had corruption, highering relatives, $35000 storage shed that only cost $1200, Theft, and a HOA president that held grudges. Charged my neighbor $1600 for complaining to the property manager about the flooding that cost over $2000000 to those living on the first floor. I was glad to see them go, but it took about 4 years to make it happen. One we have now is good, save one nosey security guard that oversteps from time to time.
My neighbor across the street is a past HOA President. She’s never been married (I can understand why) & feels like her duty to walk the upper part of the subdivision to observe & report back to the now Property Management Company on ‘infractions’; but to pry into everyone’s life. She tried to get me hitched to another older women in the neighborhood. Came home once to find dead flowers pulled up by the mailbox & another was pulling up to my home seeing her walk into my yard & pulling down a tree branch she didn’t approve of. I’ve had discussions w/a lawyer & will consider trespassing charges the next time I catch or suspect she’s been in the yard. So looking forward to her passing.
Our hoa got taken over by real estate agents and they hired someone to drive around and charge neighbors for petty violations like a few small cracked paint spots on gates, or a few small brown patches in grass when we r in a drought and it’s the 4th week of 100 degree weather, or having a trash can sitting at curb 2 1/2 days after pickup. 🤦🏼♀️ We only moved into an hoa neighborhood because 20 years ago it was run by neighbors complaining about next door neighbors. When we didn’t do it enough, the hoa started getting tough 😡
I lived in HOA in Suwanee Georgia. We had a sex offender on the board, and the board tried to use their power to force someone to move. It took us an entire summer, but we finally ended up with enough proxy votes to completely remove the board and put in new people who were just and honest.After that we put our house up for sale and vowed to never live in an HOA again. In today’s climate having a homeowners association actually seems to devalue your property, as no one wants to live in one. As for buying a house, if you inquire as to whether or not it is A homeowners association neighborhood, They are required to tell you. If you feel you’re being lied to simply ask neighbors. It’s always best to meet the neighbors before you buy a house in the neighborhood anyway.
Some of the HOA communities in my area have had houses that have been sitting "for sale" since before the pandemic even started. It's gotten to the point where a few of the people who live in them have even abandoned them and moved somewhere else, and simply let the bank take it.
I was under an HOA in the past and despised all the rules but based on what I have seen in news coverage ours was fair. They did not micromanage to the point of what flower pots or what flowers you can have and you received a notice to comply before being fined, something that seems not to be the case for many of the other HOA's since no one mentions getting a notice to comply just getting a letter with a fine.
I bought a new home 3 years ago the first thing i told the Real Estate agent was do not show me anything with a HOA we have enough people trying to tell us what to do without adding to it
4:02 Of course they don't want the financials disclosed. If they were, everyone would know who was getting a bigger slice of the kickbacks for all their BS tickets. I'm very happy not to have to live in a neighborhood with a HOA. VERY happy.
Some people in Authority of HOA can destroy families, taking out security cameras? Families fined for regular things they put up, harmless things? There should be laws against what they do across America, it's sick.
As upset members of a community with an HOA where members are your neighbors, YOU are the majority. You have the power. YOU can become the HOA. You have the ability to make those member suffer and move. Take measures into your own hands.
Then they can retaliate with more fines which you have to spend months in court to try and dispute or else your house gets a lean and is foreclosed. So I other words, speak up = you lost your home
@@PhantomWorksStudios yeah. You gotta be covert. An entire community against them can make them pretty miserable. Constant insurance claims can really can take a toll.
Let the HOA know they work for you and don't let them forget it. Make shore there doing their job, some like the perks and power , but not the responsibility. If their out of control vot them out
That you chose to spoke to an HOA attorney speaks volumes. "Homeowners need to play by the rules". The association needs to play by the rules first. If they don't, then that's a breach.
I got hooked into an HOA, out at Cedar Creek Lake in Texas, I bought a little bitty lake lot, and suddenly I was trapped with taxes to 3 different counties, and they at those tax offices , all had a part in this scam to take advantage of American Taxpayers.....Next thing I know I was sent a letter said I had 24 hours to mow the lot, else they would charge a fee of $ 275.00, I lived 6 hours away from there..... I DONATED THE LOT TO A PREVIOUS PASTOR AT A CHURCH IN Dallas, Texas, Took the whole price of that tiny insignificant lake lot off income taxes, No one would buy it because of the criminals in charge at Cherokee Shores HOA.....The pastor got it, and since a church owned it they couldn't stop him from selling it to an out of state resident I think, don't really know how he got rid of it, but he did because he was a nonprofit organization....I will NEVER have ANYTHING to do with ANY HOA again as long as I live... Ended up costing me over a $4500.00 loss on my income tax that year....Once was enough, I won't be fooled again by those horrible people...I warn everyone to stay away from HOA scams !!!! Had a drunk in charge of the HOA when I first bought into that problem....He took care of all his beer drinking buddies, he didn't like the idea of a Christian family being around interrupting his loud wild BBQ weekend parties with kegs of beer....This has been years ago !!! The music was so loud you couldn't talk to people standing beside you, as no one could hear anything but the loud bass noises......
My brother is the Pres of their HOA! I know ppl be wanting to beat hizazz! 😂. That's why I think I'm just gone buy an acre & build. I ain't gone buy a $300K+ home for the community to own it. I'm sure there are many HOA folks think their The Gillespie & Tibbs of the neighborhood. She wasn't too proud of her actions, otherwise she would have been glad to speak right now. Glad you're now on the board Tim. I ❤️ it!
HOA's can be a positive if they are run correctly and honestly. I'd personally wouldn't want to live where they have HOA's that control too many things
I only have a covenance in my neighborhood and my next door neighbor decided to use his front and back yard as a parking lot for delivery trucks he bought at auction. 5 trucks now are parked there and none of them are driven. Sanford and Son......
In most states HOA board meeting are open to owners recording it in both video and audio. They should never object if not hiding anything. And most associations financials are also open to all owners. Only communications with the association attorney are usually more private. Of course laws vary in different states.
In Florida all a homeowner in an HOA needs to do is accuse the HOA of selective enforcement and prove it. Plus homeowners can go to mediation at zero cost to the homeowner to prove selective enforcement. When that happens the HOA gets fined instead of the homeowner.
I've lived in an HOA house and didn't have a problem. But, I wasn't given the rules binder (a 3-inch binder stuffed with documents) until I was at the signing. There's no way I could read all that while there and the people there at the signing said they wouldn't allow me to sit and read them for several hours in their office. It wasn't until I was in the house that I had the documents and time to read them. It should be a law that you have to be given ALL the HOA and county documents at the time of offer of acceptance so you have that 3-day window to back out. Those documents should include county docs like flood zone, hazard reports, etc. that I didn't get until the signing. That gives time to read and get answers before being locked in. That isn't the way it currently works. The whole process feels like a huge bait and switch event.
I wouldn’t have signed anything. If you don’t have time for me to read this then you don’t have time to get my commission check. I would have called another realtor.
in most cases, buyer is supposed to be given the hoa documents after the bid, and BEFORE you close. buyer is allowed to back out of purchase if they do not like the documents. also, buyer is supposed to be given copy of financial statements. since hoa usually signs off on the purchase, the buyer should know in advance if there is an hoa ... also, realtor should make that known.
There should be no fines in any HOA. Please tell me what these fines are for. Where is the money going? HOA should be homeowners board only and vote any bull crap out. HOA should not be profiting from any homeowner
No HOA for me. I like that i can do what i want in a place i am paying to keep. No one Is going to tell me what to do on my property. HOA isnt for everyone. Glad they got a victory.
"absolute power corrupts absolutely" Need to put someone in rule where someone in charge corrupts, they will get punished just like anyone else. Without consequences, many will push the limits of their power.
The realtors who sell HOA properties will not say anything about the HOA rules because they could lose a sale.People buy not having any idea what it is about until its to late.HOA communities have there good points and not so good just like anything regular community. Myself I live HOA 15 years and for me it is much better than my old regular neighborhood.
HOAs keep property values up? Um, not exactly. The homes are very nice and well kept, but people selling homes in corrupt HOAs usually have a difficult time finding a buyer.
HOA's have run amok everywhere. They do it this for people to move. They have 1st dibs on sale units/ homes. They'll raise fees as much as they want to to help the process. No limits on increases.
I was on the HOA and when the neighborhood changed (I'm Black and the new owners were Ethiopian),the HOA had to come down hard. There was no respect meaning cars parked on the lawn, multiple short-term occupants, not paying HOA dues when the association was 100% responsible for all exterior home and grounds maintenance. Multiple satellite dishes on the roof. Feral cats. It was crazy! It became known as the Ethiopian community. I moved. So did most of the board members. The Ethiopians took over, and it looks like it.
I thought my HOA was crazy. Praying we will be out of here by next year. My first HOA and believe me can say my last. Good luck everybody and keep standing together. You can get rid of the problem because I think you voted them in.
I'm not sure why anybody would buy in this neighborhood.. the houses are too close to one another and they have a HOA. Buy yourself some dirt in the country and build your own house.
I Would NEVER live in a HOA. Nobody's gonna tell me what to do with and on MY PROPERTY. You can live around good people and nice properties without an HOA or HUGE price tag.
An HOA only benefits the developer financially. The residents that move into an HOA pay the same property taxes as if it weren't in an HOA and have to pay the dues and special assessments as well as put up with "the boys club" of rules for you but not for me 🐂💩. Been there done that sold it. I was nearing retirement and the boneheads were discussing plans that will cost x amount to do. Down the road I could see problems that would happen, voiced my concerns and was basically told to shut up. Several other things had gone on before this, unchecked dog barking, dog shitting in my yard, neighbors yelling at each other out front, neighbor dumping his yard waste on my property. Nope. That house was supposed to be my retirement home. My retirement is based on a fixed income. I wasn't about to be playing with those knuckleheads and the expenses they would incur because they wouldn't listen this time or in the future. Sold it and now live on 10 acres in the woods. Glad I moved here because people are getting nuttier every day.
HOA wants access to peoples security systems but doesn’t feel comfortable being on camera at all
There are now new subdivisions advertising no HOA's to attract home buyers. That's how bad it has become. HOA started out as a good way to keep neighbourhoods tidy property values up. But in too many cases have become a source of over policing targeting certain neighbors ignoring your buddies blatant violations etc.
Road to hell is paved with good intentions...
HOA'S are nothing but another way of ripping off hard working people
But power hoes to some peoples heads
Hoas were started to keep undesirables out.
Non HOA'S are actually in High demand - especially for those who have lived in one.
It's NOT worth the money, control issues, or stress.
Mine used to be decent, but then came the Control freaks!
Literally breaking All kinds of Laws!!
They should be outlawed all together.
Why anyone would want to live under an HOA in this day and age is completely insane. 🙄🙄
Because most affordable homes are in subdivisions with HOAs
Some poeple love to live under extreme rule. The country you live in has rules, then the state, then the county, then the city, then the neighborhood... Our jobs have rules, our households, language, math, physics, etc... all have rules. Then... people join religions with even more rules.
Humans are naturally unruly and self-serving, yet addicted to tribalism, so... the rules are layered very deep out of necessity.
The idea is so you don't get bad neighbors that do things like having dead lawns and loud noise, but I agree it is not worth it when they get stupid and have way too many rules, payments, and fees. I would never live in one. My house, I do what I want.
@@sholagan Never seen an HOA make any home more affordable, ever.
@@JohnDoe-yq8ox Wealthy out of towner bought a house an a family street and complains to the city about toys in the front yard. She also complains about the work trucks on our street, it's half residential half commercial. She knew this when she was looking at buying the house. My other neighbor works 3 jobs and now his taxes are going up do to the renovations the other neighbor had made. Mine too. It's a racket meant to force us to sell or foreclose so the property is available for investment buyers like her.
If you have an HOA you are a renter not a home owner. We had to walk away from 2 really nice homes because of HOA.
EXACTLY!!!!
AMEN
I would never buy a house with an HOA.
We were looking for a place and the ones in the newer neighborhoods had HOAs and didn't advertise it in the listing. We had to ask the realtor about it and a lot of the time they hesitated before answering. Of course we walked away then and there. They know people don't like them and literally try to hide it hoping it's a non issue with the buyers but those who know this evil knows.
@@littlerayofsunshine69 exactly! Part of moving out of your parents house and buying a home is to do whatever you want. Why do the same and pay for it?
When i was looking for a house in Tampa I only looked in older neighborhoods without HOA's. My neighbors are great we all get along but stay out of each others business. Buying a house is a big step and I wont let anyone tell me how to live in my own house.
@ sunfreak69 - yep, and I bet those older neighborhoods are being kept up just fine, aren't they?? I'm serious when I say that!
HOA's create a situation for a Lot of Miserable people to cause drama for other's, by telling on them. Especially if there is a N'hood Facebook - smh!
AMEN THATS RIGHT ✅🙏🙌💯
I agree but how do you get rid of a major neighborhood ahole?
My fiancée and I are going to be house-hunting after our wedding. I made it very clear to her that I do NOT want to live in an HOA community.
I told her she could decorate the house however the hell she wanted, she could even paint the outside of it purple and pink for all I cared. As long as it's not an HOA house. Lol 😂
You're smart! Great job! Keep up the good work!
That "attorney" is everything wrong with the legal profession. You can't justify petty people with power gone to their heads as necessary. If an HOA needs a lawyer, you know it is corrupt and hiding.
Well, the legal profession is filled with which type of ethnic group? The "attorney" is with which type of ethnic group? That's why the legal profession is a dumpster fire. It's as simple as that
Good point & right on!
We, the People need to OUTLAW "HOA" crime syndicate on detached homes and by doing so put the grifting fake lawyers out of business!!! Fake business
If they need a lawyer, then it needs to be a 'casual' for that need only!, not be on any type of retainer for any 'percieved' future need!
@@neil999ishI worked in HOA. It's not the HOA board that has the Lawyers on retainer.
It's the property management corporation that pays for the lawyers.
Just a quick heads up. When you by in to an HOA, your not buying the land only the house. The property corporation owns the land, your just buying the house.
So that being said..the HOA board answers and does the bidding of the property management company and lawyers.
The board's job is to line the property management bank accounts and pockets.
I worked in enough of them and went toe to toe with board members & even the lawyer. I even got 2 layers from a HOA/property management company disbarred in FL.
Yeap the only security guy who kept videos, pictures and lots of notes and copies of incident and daily activity reports.
In one case, the HOA president was banning the married property management lawyer.
In lue of not having to pay his dues and fees as well doing her bidding to go after only certain people.
The other the HOA board and the property management lawyer tried to do everything they could to turn the community pool in to adults only. They made the pool club house area a swingers deal with family and kids in the community. She wanted the HOA to find ways to force the family out with kids..
The lawyer, all the board members went to jail most got 1-3 yrs prison time..the community no longer run as a HOA. The city and county took legal action and got the HOA disbanded.
I will never buy a home in a community with a HOA. My house = MY RULES.
AMEN 🙏
Same
Trust me, you're correct. You have to ask for permission for everything on the exterior of your home. Fee's or fines for parking in front of own home.
Oh relax. Most hoa’s are fine.
@@NemeanLion- As a Lender of 9 years, your wrong. I had clients who hate it or want to move out.
The attorney thought it was “unappropriate” they showed up with cameras? That isn’t a word.
Not only that, she lied and is a coward. She said to come to the next meeting during the conversation at her front door. Then at the meeting, she said she didn't know why they were there and didn't feel "comfortable" after she invited the crew. If she has nothing to hide, then why restrict guests at the meeting? She deserved to be ousted.
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Most people only learn until the fourth grade about their own language. Then they start changing it to however way they want to say things or they just don't remember the correct way and they continue to speak incorrectly
The meeting is illegal without any proper documentation.
@@Livetoeat171 yep. Most people just tend to follow what ever trendy speech pattern there is and using social osmosis pick up new words, sometimes not even understanding what those words mean themselves.
Actually really sad, but not much you can do to help that besides shaming those people more.
HOA'S needs to be outlawed
Never had a good experience with them, loud mean Karen’s with a touch of narcissism 👀
They definitely have a place hoa neighborhood are optional let’s be honest some people are slobs and need to be kept in check
@@lvbadboy You think you get to decide to who's a slob and who's not?
@@circesoul2218 yes that’s exactly the point of hoa rules.
@@lvbadboy I didn’t see any slobs busy regular homes lol get off the high horse before you fall on your face but if seems like you have experience with that
I’m sure, if not for this ending up on the news, the former HOA president wouldn’t have stepped down and would’ve happily have continued her reign of terror against those speaking out against her. Why do you think some of the neighbors were scared to come on camera for ‘fear of retaliation’? That lady was a tyrant. She probably acted smug thinking this wouldn’t get further than a few complaints, but lo and behold she was put on blast and too scared to show her face when the cameras started rolling.
HOAs are magnets for narcissistic sociopathic DELUSIONAL morally corrupt people who want to be obsessively in control! 🙄🙄
Exactly!
She a toothless bully
A Karen who didn't want to be on 📷
HOA and woman president, such a oxymoron.2 words that should never be together
How is that a beautiful neighborhood? Everything looks the same. No trees. Reminds me of the neighborhood in Edward Scissorhands.
Trailer park for the rich.
Exactly. No character to the place at all but that's the goal of many of these planned communities. Interesting when I first started to visit St. Louis there was an area neighborhood with some beautiful unique homes. I was stunned.
Up a few blocks was a new "development-cookie cutter homes probably printed out and assembled AND advertising a full service HOA!!!-from the low 200s. This was over 10 years ago.
Ok snobby dude
@@1233-h1 That’s the difference between custom houses and tract houses.
@@genxx2724 😊 True.
I’d never live in a HOA.
I wouldn't want to pay extra to be monitored and controlled. Scary neighborhood to be in, if that's the case.
Trust me, I know it sounds shitty? But it's also the ONLY way to stop piece of shit neighbors from doing wtf ever they want to your neighborhood. I've seen it both ways, I've felt like they were targeting ME in the past, and I also have broken rules and had it coming. Most of the time it's somewhere in the middle, both could give a little.
Sometimes, they don't tell you if a home is located in an H.O.A. until after you rent the home.
@@inspiredbykindness4699 a new fear…
@@pso4686 What do you mean by "a new fear"?
An out of control HOA? That's unpossible.
And maybe unappropriate, too? Lol
@@genacunningham1731 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Ralph: “ME FAIL ENGLISH?
THAT'S UNPOSSIBLE.”
Did the lawyer just say "unappropriate?" 🤔 😂 ma'am that's not a word.
Thinking the same thing!!!!!! And you’re a lawyer???
@@Dis2good 😂😂😂😂
To have an average lawyer, you need almost half to be below average. 😂
Someone should have pulled out a dictionary
Fines should definitely be reserved only for things that actually effect peoples lives & health such as persistent late night noise, not flags & flowers
Do you want a 3% er or Trump flag flying next to your house?
@@Starfish2145 I don't know it is hard to choose.
And who keeps the fines?
It seems ripe for abuse.
Just like the HOA fees.
They're holding your home hostage.
@@spikefivefivefive Well ideally all the fines would be channelled into my bank account of course. That way I could make sure the money was well used.
What did you expect moving in next door to other people? HOA s are pretty much where all the Karen's of the world live. Something about taking other people's rights away while giving themselves more makes them happy inside, kind of like Stalin. Plus, added benefit, HOA neighborhoods all look The Truman Show, fake and lifeless...
We had an out of control HOA with exactly the same issues, selective enforcement, threatened me with fines if I didn't take my cameras down, no elections, etc. Five of us rallied the neighborhood, started a petition, and overthrew the wicked HOA witch. Now we're the board, hopefully the petty power doesn't corrupt😂😂
With the problem of abuse of power HOA leadership being rampant - just imagine how much abuse of power there is at your city and county etc.
NEVER buy a home in an HOA neighborhood. NEVER. Little people with a little power are dangerous.
This type of corrupt behavior and practice with HOA’s and Condo Associations are more prevalent than is exposed. We’re dealing with the same scenario in Hawaii (lot’s of corruption here) where sabotage and scheming is a norm and must be stopped.
Same here at Bayside Commons in Albany, CA.
HOA is the group noun for karens!
Karen's & Kevin's too.
I love that. A flock of geese, an HOA of Karens.
Absolutely right 👍💯
Karen’s and Kevin’s ruin everything they think they can boss everyone around and we’re just sick of it
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We backed out from buying an HOA home, the restrictions were unacceptable. We could only use the garage to park our cars, it could not be used for any other activities. Failure to maintain two parking spots in the garage resulted in fines.
Oh hell no
HAH.
I've had 2 houses with a garage. Never parked my car in either one.
Those HOA members need to be charged.
Thank you all for posting this HOA, that i learning before buy any area with HOA.
As a Lender of 9 years. Don't ever buy in a HOA. Please trust me. Don't let the fucking Realtors tell you otherwise
HOA managers need to be regulated. The HOA next to mine is bankrupt because the manager fled with HOA funds. Also, developers put things in the HOA rules to benefit them. It can take years for home owners to outnumber the number of votes the developer has for empty lots.
Castrated! 😎
They regulated by the residents that vote. If the residents want more control they can add that to the bylaws.
I’m not sure of regulation you think would help love somebody not steal money.
@@neilkurzman4907 I used to be an HOA president. It is very hard to change the by-laws. Requires a supermajority. The bylaws are established by the developer who has a majority of the votes until a majority of the lots have been sold. The developer puts in stupid rules designed to keep values high but make it difficult for people living there. But that is not my main concern. The biggest problem is you have to hire a manager to take in dues and maintain HOA property. I think a lot of these property managers are not honest.
@@neilkurzman4907 My neighborhood is divided into 2 HOAs. The other one had a property manager steal all the funds. Now that HOA is broke and people living there can't sell and have huge HOA fees because of this. I also think some of these managers take kick backs on maintenance contracts for lawn care, pool maintenance, road and gate repair. I would like to see HOA managers licensed and regulated because of this.
@@KenShew325
My condo is broken up into two homeowners associations And an HOA.
Over the past 30 years I haven’t seen any of the things that people are complaining about here. I’m assuming somebody could steal our money.
Our board must be residents.
I can’t speak about the rules and other states.
There SHOULD be All kinds of Laws Against HOA'S.
People Don't understand ... HOA"s (the Bully board members) Can change those bylaws Any Time they see fit.
I did NOT sign for the Many changes that have been made. This should be Unlawful.
Selective covenants are Very common.
Fighting HOA"s are expensive.
I "think" I might be lucky enough that my board is SO CORRUPT, that Hopefully the District Attorney's office will prosecute the Board for their Real CRIMES, and their Retaliation actions.
Sad to hear this happens in America. 🙄🙄
I think HOA needs to get banned from housing
Give some people a little bit of power and they become tyrants. Why not to speak to the home owner first.
Perhaps there should be a “checks and balance” system to keep the HOA honest. No citations unless five neighbors not on the HOA board agree there’s a problem and are willing to sign a document.
I would never buy property just so I could be subjected to narsasistic sociopath bullys.
That's what happened to a buddy of mine and his wife. They bought a nice house in a community in the Cincy suburbs which happened to be an HOA, and it actually went good for them for a few years. Then the person who was leading the HOA left and a guy that he happened to have trouble with 15 years earlier in high school came in. I'm sure you can guess that it all went downhill from there. My friend and his wife ended up eating $10,000 just to sell their house and get the hell out of there. They ended up buying a fixer-upper in the city, and they live there now and love it. The neighbors are awesome, and most importantly, they don't have to follow a bunch of stupid rules anymore.
Definitely do not buy in a neighborhood with a corporate HOA. They do give two sh*ts about you and only about your money.
Been a home owner for over 30 years. Never accepted a home with an HOA involved. Never will.
Never.
“I don’t feel comfortable going on camera.” really means you know you’ve screwed up big time and now are embarrassed you have been found out.
Before buying a house make sure no hoa
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I bought my house in 2019 and love the neighborhood. I would never move where HOA runs my house..
I was looking at a job in Wilmington, NC. I couldn't find a home for sale that wasn't in a HOA. knocked that job off the list.
Malicious compliance is the answer. I lived in a community that tried to institute an HOA. I declined to participate and they decided to fine me out of the neighborhood I lived in for nearly 10 years. When we went to court the Judge just laughed, counseled The "HOA" they had no authority to fine me. I got $48k and they were order to pay my costs. Turned out later the HOA president, an Attorney, had done this same thing before in 3 other states. He was severely beaten one night in his driveway. No witnesses came forward. He sold his house and moved away.
I like that. Just a mysterious beating with no witnesses. People have to understand you can’t mess with peoples lives and not expect consequences
@@othelliouscato6688🥊🤦♂️🤣🤪😂🃏
This warms my heart
He is now in Venezuela! 😮
That's terrible. I hope he's ok? I wish tone would show in a written message.
NEVER EVER BUY INTO AN HOA! EVER!
Why anyone would give up their rights to belong to an HOA is beyond me. They get what the wanted and don't like it. Same thing happened in central Europe 90 yrs. ago. Narragansett Bay
I support a full on ban on all "HOA". This additional bureaucracy on top of the already other buraucracy we have to worry about from our government is insane, no one should support it at all. Anyone mentioning property value we should start thinking of houses like cars financially.
Disband it 😮you voted 🗳 them in vote them out. And investigate the owners they may not be AMERICAN 🇺🇸 Fallow the Money 💴
I view HOA as nosy neighbors watching other nosy neighbors. I would never buy a house in a HOA community.
Frightening. I only have experience of an HOA at my friend’s former subdivision townhouse, and she experienced none of this, though I am by no means disputing the claims of these residents as I’ve since heard more horror stories. Hers could sometimes seem a bit high handed but always provided a warning or an update on their portal whenever changes were implemented. I’d been tempted by HOA neighborhoods after visiting hers and seeing how nicely kept and regulated it was, but now I’m rather glad that I did not go down that rabbit hole.
Bad HOAs exist, we had one but we got rid of them. Had corruption, highering relatives, $35000 storage shed that only cost $1200, Theft, and a HOA president that held grudges. Charged my neighbor $1600 for complaining to the property manager about the flooding that cost over $2000000 to those living on the first floor. I was glad to see them go, but it took about 4 years to make it happen. One we have now is good, save one nosey security guard that oversteps from time to time.
My neighbor across the street is a past HOA President. She’s never been married (I can understand why) & feels like her duty to walk the upper part of the subdivision to observe & report back to the now Property Management Company on ‘infractions’; but to pry into everyone’s life. She tried to get me hitched to another older women in the neighborhood. Came home once to find dead flowers pulled up by the mailbox & another was pulling up to my home seeing her walk into my yard & pulling down a tree branch she didn’t approve of. I’ve had discussions w/a lawyer & will consider trespassing charges the next time I catch or suspect she’s been in the yard. So looking forward to her passing.
Why suspect? Just put up security cameras.
It's Bunny isn't it lol
Why would anyone tolerate this?!🙄🙄
“Look forward to her passing”…..😂. Nice way to say “I hope that bitch dies”
Be safe out there ✌
The HOA are the bad apples. HOA officials had things not availabe to the members.
Their home value just went down 30%, thanks for the warning.
Our hoa got taken over by real estate agents and they hired someone to drive around and charge neighbors for petty violations like a few small cracked paint spots on gates, or a few small brown patches in grass when we r in a drought and it’s the 4th week of 100 degree weather, or having a trash can sitting at curb 2 1/2 days after pickup. 🤦🏼♀️
We only moved into an hoa neighborhood because 20 years ago it was run by neighbors complaining about next door neighbors. When we didn’t do it enough, the hoa started getting tough 😡
I lived in HOA in Suwanee Georgia. We had a sex offender on the board, and the board tried to use their power to force someone to move. It took us an entire summer, but we finally ended up with enough proxy votes to completely remove the board and put in new people who were just and honest.After that we put our house up for sale and vowed to never live in an HOA again. In today’s climate having a homeowners association actually seems to devalue your property, as no one wants to live in one. As for buying a house, if you inquire as to whether or not it is A homeowners association neighborhood, They are required to tell you. If you feel you’re being lied to simply ask neighbors. It’s always best to meet the neighbors before you buy a house in the neighborhood anyway.
With all the good land out that way why oh why would you move into a human zoo?
Some of the HOA communities in my area have had houses that have been sitting "for sale" since before the pandemic even started. It's gotten to the point where a few of the people who live in them have even abandoned them and moved somewhere else, and simply let the bank take it.
I truly HATE most every HOA. Little minds running big egos usually results in huge mistakes and corruption.
I wouldn’t live in an HOA TO SAVE MY SOLE. I am not having someone tell me what to do with my property.
Don’t buy a home, townhouse or condo that has a HOA. Especially a small HOA.
Anyone who voluntarily lives under an HOA is begging for this to happen
I was under an HOA in the past and despised all the rules but based on what I have seen in news coverage ours was fair. They did not micromanage to the point of what flower pots or what flowers you can have and you received a notice to comply before being fined, something that seems not to be the case for many of the other HOA's since no one mentions getting a notice to comply just getting a letter with a fine.
I had the same thought but ultimately concluded it's just a failed model that needs to be abolished.
Somebody seems to be drunk with power!
Also wanting camera footage pretty sure against the law…
The lawyer sounded like a dummy. Hope he is not representing the homeowners.
Dont ever buy into HOA! P
LOL IKR!!!
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exactly, what is point of having a home, HOA is like living in apartment.
This makes me wonder if they were abusing the fines for self service
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I think they do
I bought a new home 3 years ago the first thing i told the Real Estate agent was do not show me anything with a HOA we have enough people trying to tell us what to do without adding to it
4:02 Of course they don't want the financials disclosed. If they were, everyone would know who was getting a bigger slice of the kickbacks for all their BS tickets.
I'm very happy not to have to live in a neighborhood with a HOA. VERY happy.
Some people in Authority of HOA can destroy families, taking out security cameras? Families fined for regular things they put up, harmless things? There should be laws against what they do across America, it's sick.
HOA: pay someone to tell you what you can and can not do on your own property. Please
NEVER NEVER NEVER buy a home with an HOA. You WILL regret it.
As a Lender, I advise all my clients not to do it. It's the stupid Realtors who can be the problem
As upset members of a community with an HOA where members are your neighbors, YOU are the majority. You have the power. YOU can become the HOA. You have the ability to make those member suffer and move. Take measures into your own hands.
depends on the rules they set up to replace the members of said board, they can make it near impossible.
Then they can retaliate with more fines which you have to spend months in court to try and dispute or else your house gets a lean and is foreclosed.
So I other words, speak up = you lost your home
@@PhantomWorksStudios yeah. You gotta be covert. An entire community against them can make them pretty miserable. Constant insurance claims can really can take a toll.
Let the HOA know they work for you and don't let them forget it. Make shore there doing their job, some like the perks and power , but not the responsibility. If their out of control vot them out
It's not that easy, unfortunately.
I’d never buy a home that belongs to a HOA.
That you chose to spoke to an HOA attorney speaks volumes.
"Homeowners need to play by the rules". The association needs to play by the rules first. If they don't, then that's a breach.
Who ever wrote the introduction : it's rogue not rouge which is French for red!
I got hooked into an HOA, out at Cedar Creek Lake in Texas, I bought a little bitty lake lot, and suddenly I was trapped with taxes to 3 different counties, and they at those tax offices , all had a part in this scam to take advantage of American Taxpayers.....Next thing I know I was sent a letter said I had 24 hours to mow the lot, else they would charge a fee of $ 275.00, I lived 6 hours away from there..... I DONATED THE LOT TO A PREVIOUS PASTOR AT A CHURCH IN Dallas, Texas, Took the whole price of that tiny insignificant lake lot off income taxes, No one would buy it because of the criminals in charge at Cherokee Shores HOA.....The pastor got it, and since a church owned it they couldn't stop him from selling it to an out of state resident I think, don't really know how he got rid of it, but he did because he was a nonprofit organization....I will NEVER have ANYTHING to do with ANY HOA again as long as I live... Ended up costing me over a $4500.00 loss on my income tax that year....Once was enough, I won't be fooled again by those horrible people...I warn everyone to stay away from HOA scams !!!! Had a drunk in charge of the HOA when I first bought into that problem....He took care of all his beer drinking buddies, he didn't like the idea of a Christian family being around interrupting his loud wild BBQ weekend parties with kegs of beer....This has been years ago !!! The music was so loud you couldn't talk to people standing beside you, as no one could hear anything but the loud bass noises......
My brother is the Pres of their HOA! I know ppl be wanting to beat hizazz! 😂. That's why I think I'm just gone buy an acre & build. I ain't gone buy a $300K+ home for the community to own it. I'm sure there are many HOA folks think their The Gillespie & Tibbs of the neighborhood. She wasn't too proud of her actions, otherwise she would have been glad to speak right now. Glad you're now on the board Tim. I ❤️ it!
I would never buy a home with an HOA.
Does anyone know what or why these houses have a small roof in the middle of them?
The residents can vote to get rid of an HOA all together
I lived with an HOA never again.they are never fair.
As a Lender of 9 years, I tell my clients don't buy in an HOA. Plus it hurts their qualifications because of that stupid HOA fee
My HOA started to be a pain so I ran for President and was that for 10 years
Can’t beat them join them
Yes, that's what one attorney I worked with (who had an HOA) said. He joined the Board.
HOA's can be a positive if they are run correctly and honestly. I'd personally wouldn't want to live where they have HOA's that control too many things
I've been a lender for 9 years, HOA is not positive for many reasons
I only have a covenance in my neighborhood and my next door neighbor decided to use his front and back yard as a parking lot for delivery trucks he bought at auction. 5 trucks now are parked there and none of them are driven. Sanford and Son......
Its YOUR HOUSE YOU OWN, but others control your rights to your own property!?!?
In most states HOA board meeting are open to owners recording it in both video and audio. They should never object if not hiding anything. And most associations financials are also open to all owners. Only communications with the association attorney are usually more private. Of course laws vary in different states.
In Florida all a homeowner in an HOA needs to do is accuse the HOA of selective enforcement and prove it. Plus homeowners can go to mediation at zero cost to the homeowner to prove selective enforcement. When that happens the HOA gets fined instead of the homeowner.
Don't hide behind the doors show your face lady ...glad the community won the fight 💪
I've lived in an HOA house and didn't have a problem. But, I wasn't given the rules binder (a 3-inch binder stuffed with documents) until I was at the signing. There's no way I could read all that while there and the people there at the signing said they wouldn't allow me to sit and read them for several hours in their office. It wasn't until I was in the house that I had the documents and time to read them. It should be a law that you have to be given ALL the HOA and county documents at the time of offer of acceptance so you have that 3-day window to back out. Those documents should include county docs like flood zone, hazard reports, etc. that I didn't get until the signing. That gives time to read and get answers before being locked in. That isn't the way it currently works. The whole process feels like a huge bait and switch event.
lol
I wouldn’t have signed anything. If you don’t have time for me to read this then you don’t have time to get my commission check. I would have called another realtor.
in most cases, buyer is supposed to be given the hoa documents after the bid, and BEFORE you close. buyer is allowed to back out of purchase if they do not like the documents. also, buyer is supposed to be given copy of financial statements. since hoa usually signs off on the purchase, the buyer should know in advance if there is an hoa ... also, realtor should make that known.
Trust me, the documents are always provided. Nobody bothers to read them.
There should be no fines in any HOA. Please tell me what these fines are for. Where is the money going? HOA should be homeowners board only and vote any bull crap out. HOA should not be profiting from any homeowner
There was an HOA in my state that would use drones to check people’s yards lol
Se habla 12 gauge
No HOA for me. I like that i can do what i want in a place i am paying to keep. No one Is going to tell me what to do on my property. HOA isnt for everyone. Glad they got a victory.
"absolute power corrupts absolutely" Need to put someone in rule where someone in charge corrupts, they will get punished just like anyone else. Without consequences, many will push the limits of their power.
The realtors who sell HOA properties will not say anything about the HOA rules because they could lose a sale.People buy not having any idea what it is about until its to late.HOA communities have there good points and not so good just like anything regular community. Myself I live HOA 15 years and for me it is much better than my old regular neighborhood.
As a Lender, it pissed me off they do that, and I'm happened to play the hero because of it. I warn all my clients.
HOAs keep property values up? Um, not exactly. The homes are very nice and well kept, but people selling homes in corrupt HOAs usually have a difficult time finding a buyer.
Barnie Fiffe syndrome, wanting to be more than they are. Where does then money for fines go?
HOA's have run amok everywhere. They do it this for people to move. They have 1st dibs on sale units/ homes. They'll raise fees as much as they want to to help the process. No limits on increases.
I was on the HOA and when the neighborhood changed (I'm Black and the new owners were Ethiopian),the HOA had to come down hard. There was no respect meaning cars parked on the lawn, multiple short-term occupants, not paying HOA dues when the association was 100% responsible for all exterior home and grounds maintenance. Multiple satellite dishes on the roof. Feral cats. It was crazy! It became known as the Ethiopian community. I moved. So did most of the board members. The Ethiopians took over, and it looks like it.
Sounds like a cool place to live but the cats need to be fixed.
Cool story, bro.
A lot of my neighbors are Ethiopian, I love living next to them
But Ethiopians are black
@@japantarzan3551 agreed, but they do not see is as being the same.
I thought my HOA was crazy. Praying we will be out of here by next year. My first HOA and believe me can say my last. Good luck everybody and keep standing together. You can get rid of the problem because I think you voted them in.
You know what you are in for when moving into an HOA community.
HOA's should be illegal.
I'm not sure why anybody would buy in this neighborhood.. the houses are too close to one another and they have a HOA. Buy yourself some dirt in the country and build your own house.
Good work - too many are happy to complain but won’t step up to be part of the voluntary body managing the association
It's not right. And I refuse to live in one. You're not going to tell me how to live in my home.
Majority of HOA You don't own the land. Not even the out side of the home.
Often not even the Inside! 😢
never moved into a HOA control subdivision... these people think they own all the houses and your lives.
I Would NEVER live in a HOA. Nobody's gonna tell me what to do with and on MY PROPERTY. You can live around good people and nice properties without an HOA or HUGE price tag.
That's what city ordinances are for ... as long as they are enforced by the city.
An HOA only benefits the developer financially. The residents that move into an HOA pay the same property taxes as if it weren't in an HOA and have to pay the dues and special assessments as well as put up with "the boys club" of rules for you but not for me 🐂💩. Been there done that sold it. I was nearing retirement and the boneheads were discussing plans that will cost x amount to do. Down the road I could see problems that would happen, voiced my concerns and was basically told to shut up. Several other things had gone on before this, unchecked dog barking, dog shitting in my yard, neighbors yelling at each other out front, neighbor dumping his yard waste on my property. Nope. That house was supposed to be my retirement home. My retirement is based on a fixed income. I wasn't about to be playing with those knuckleheads and the expenses they would incur because they wouldn't listen this time or in the future. Sold it and now live on 10 acres in the woods. Glad I moved here because people are getting nuttier every day.
Most HOA deed restrictions can be found online. Look for them before viewing a property or get them from your agent.