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@@aidenbrenneman2302 But that wasn't his identity. His identity was the dps that had crazy mobility and punched things really hard. He was more melee than shotgun as all of his abilities were punches/slams while the only 'gun' he had was his shotgun knuckles.
@@rachetmarvel931Venture is definitely not a melee character. Doomfist is a melee character because he literally plays like a fighter. he can slam , punch , block and used to be able to uppercut.
@@kenleyreyes venture is all about being in melee range. Their melee attack even does more damage than every other basic melee, and you have to combo it with you're primary fire to get the most out of it. Sure they can be picking some corners or high grounds, but their actual value comes from the cooldown management/cycling, and being at melee range
People don't understand that making a Pure Melee hero in a First Person Shooter is infinitely harder than making one in a Third Person Shooter, there's a reason why Doom has been such a problematic Hero all his existence and all other Melee characters have extremely limited Melee attacks. And if they try to make a 3rd Person Melee character in Overwatch then till function a lot differently than what people are seeing in Rivals. Just the FoV advantage of a pure 3rd person character in a First Person game will be insane, and because such a character will inherently need to be given a lot of mobility it'll make things a lot more complicated. Venture is more what a well-made Melee character in Overwatch looks like, anything beyond Venture will just go back into DPS Doom territory.
@@JonklingJonkler Blizzard shouldn’t have turned Doom into a tank hero. His identity has been gutted, he’s just there to be the enemy team’s punching bag now to protect his team. Bring back dps doom
Imagine a transcendental fighter who unlocked his third eye allowing him to see in the third person, a good excuse to implement a character like that, he will be unique like all the others
I think so too. And mainly because I want to see interactions between her, the Shimada brothers and Kiri. And other heroes too. And she would be a fine addition to my main collection
I don't really think Asa should have a tiger, because the tiger is from the HASHIMOTO aka: the current Hanamura/Kanezaka bad guys yakuza... Which Kiri and Her mom are fondly against. And she ain't spiritual connected like her daughter with the fox or Shimadas with the dragons, she is just a very good bladesmaster
The talon assasin to gladiator would be a perfect backstory, similar to Baptiste but a little different in the right kind of ways. She doesn't turn to becoming a vigilante like soldier or sojourn, so I think it could fit. Lots of great backstory connections with the other heroes too, especially if she was directly involved in the event where Maximillian (I think I'm thinking of the same event) was captured by overwatch.
A week ago, i was so bored, then i started to think of a meelee dps, then i har an idea to make a character based on my rpg's character. Her name is Yurei Hoshinari. She's from Japan (Shinjuku) Her fighting style is FULL meelee, because she uses Soryu Shiki fighting style (a variation of Karate). Her concept is in my community tab. (It's in Brazilian Portuguese, so you'll need to translate it) I recomend you to check it, her concept is just... ABSOLUTE CINEMA.
Ive been saying this for years. The talon assassin's teleport would be hella fun to use and offer enough mobility to fix the range issue. The cc might feel gross to play against, though, even as an ult.
Probably because it's a war crime... TF2 gets away with it because of the M rating and the premise of the game being war criminals working together to kill other war criminals. And even then Pyro's flame adds a lot of visual clutter to the game, and I can only imagine how bad that would be in Overwatch where visual clutter is pretty common.
Italy is the location with the most maps (Colosseao, Rialto e Malevento) that still does not have an hero with that nationality, so it's statistically likely that the next hero would be Italian, and I really hope it's the case, it is from 2018 with the retribution event that I'm waiting for an Italian hero.
@Shinigami-xm6on è ancora possibile secondo me, conta che orisa ha un giavellotto e non proprio una lancia, che viene usata come arma da lancio, quindi una lancia più tradizionale come arma melee secondo me può funzionare, o al massimo gli danno una spada, che va bene che genji usa già le katane, ma esistono molti tipi di spade.
@@johnh3611 nah its actually better to have heroes with higher skill ceiling bc otherwise theyre not playable in top500. I mean... they are but thats the problem. Its not fair that they are. Like... tracer is the only hero that deserves to be the top pick. Genji, wrecking ball deserve but they arent. Heroes like widow shouldnt be there. And i dont say she doesnt need aim but there are characters that require more aim and skill but get less value. Am i wrong?
As an Italian i would love a gladiator as a character. Maybe tank and not dps, but it's fine. They could make him an omnic that guides the omnic rebellion in Rome or Naples (plz add my city as a map, Blizzard, come on) such as Spartaco, a gladiator of the Ancient Rome that lived in Capua (see his story on wiki cause is quite long but beautiful)
Part of me wants for MORE omnics The universe of Overwatch is defined by the robots that gained conscience and having so FEW of them - heroes or villain - is quite sad For the javelin idea... I find it interesting. Think of something like Kratos using his spear in the last Gof of War or even the Laser Lance from Armored Core 6. Being a gladiator? Give him a net that you can throw and a chariot he can summon to run over enemies But the last one being something similar to Mauga (a past enemy in those modes, worked to be a full fleshed hero)? I can see something there
I’ve literally made an idea like this, Souls inspired with a rolling ability to doge. His name is Paladin, an Omnic DPS hero who has a slash ability, a shield at 300hp, and his ultimate is “Vanguard”, working similar to Brig’s ultimate where she receives some combat buffs minus the healing. Bigger sword, bigger shield, faster speed, and he was originally going to be Scottish before the news about Hazard dropped
No one is disagreeing with you that dps doom was more fun to play as but you can't disagree with the fact that tank fist is an overall healthier hero for the game. Dps doom fist was only fun to play as and everyone else in the lobby was just annoyed when he was in a game. But doom does need a rework because nobody likes how the current empowered punch works.
@@urbimisko8078 Ah yes, an interesting and fun hero isn't 'healthy' for the game. While old doomfist could be annoying, he was only an absolute menace in the hands of someone who knew how to play him at a high level. Old doom also had a significantly higher skill ceiling than current doom. It was the first time Blizzard did something cool and unique with their characters. A lot of the other existing characters in OW1 were decent, but nothing that really stood out unlike doom. Now we barely have any characters that stand out and a lot of them have hold-your-hand ability design. Hazard doesn't really bring anything new to the table other than a CC ult, since they've been too scared to add more CC to the game. They NEED to not only bring back DPS doom, but they also need to stop playing it safe and go all out with character designs. They need to follow the example of Marvel Rivals. Not necessarily make EVERY character OP, but make every character stand out and feel fun to play, cause as basically the ENTIRE roster stands, they feel bland and incomplete. Hell, Paladins has similar character designs that feel SIGNIFICANTLY better than their OW counterparts.
@@strombo530 dps doom was literally just wait, jump in, one shot someone, jump out. While sure it might be cool to do it, it's not really fun to have absolutely zero control over your death. There's a reason people find widow (VERY high skill ceiling) annoying
@strombo530 This is a whole lot. But imo,Marvel rivals has no better hero designs than Overwatch,besides there dps. Marvel Rivals Tanks are so unfun,same with the support.
I think a melee hashimoto member would be amazing. Not only do we not have any hashimoto members despite their relevance to the story, but they could act almost as a mirror to Genji, using their blade all the time.
There are 2 characters who are teased as heroes currently. Maximilien with the short story , circuit royale tablet and Havana updates Emre Sarioglu, huge lore info with Declassified, streamer name "Emremain" which the devs confirmed to be hints for future heroes and THIS ONE is the last one not connected to a hero, the Sojourn voiceline on Havana alongside with the map updates revealing that he is most likely active there.
The melee Damage hero should be Asa Yamagami. Kiriko's mother taught both Genji and Hanzo the sword, and in Genji's words is the world's greatest swordsmaster. She even seems to be known by Doomfist as he comments about Asa when eliminated by Kiriko as well as remarks when Genji mentions her.
Isn't the next one support as they want to even out the numbers between roles so support, tank, support, tank, dps repeat. But obviously plans can change.
Emre Sarioglu, the last og overwatch agent, the legend, the not playable character with more mains, the lone wolf of Istanbul, the new olympic turkish marksman the game need...
I dont understand why they haven't made a spear user for a hero. You just make the primary fire a spear thrust that has a small hitbox that can crit and has a decent range. For the other abilities, let them use the but of the spear to vault for mobility or a lunging thust with the spear. Then some sort of creative suvival tool like genji deflect or orisa spear spin to stay in the fight a bit longer and done. High skill with the headshots and small melee hitbox.
Genjin was supposed to be melee during develoment, but it was so broken that they made him only melee during the uktimate and gave him shurikens instead
I want a shotgun dps that has a grapple like ball except when its out its always 'reeling,' and faster than balls rmb reel. like attach it on a corner, get put into grapple slide, slide round the corner, let go of grapple, and keep sliding until momentum/speed just reaches walking speed. affected by diagonal surfaces. no contact damage, just mobility. just like a pure doom boomstick hyper mobile ground dps
I think a Melee-DPS would be cool and can work even in a FPS-Game. Ramattra´s Pummel is a melee-attack but it also creates shockwaves which damage enemies. A gimmick for a melee-DPS could be that with each swing of their weapon they send out an shockwave (which doesn´t go through enemies to keep it balanced) but the closer they are the more damage it does and when the weapon connects with the target it makes the most amount of damage - the secondary fire could be charging up the sword-swing which increases the shockwave/slash-damage. I would imagine some kind of broadsword-Fighter who besides their sword has an ability for mobility like Hazard´s leap (but purely for mobile actions) and for a secondary ability how about Link´s iconic whirlwind-attack where he swings their sword around him pushing people back and could also be used in mid-air to travel upwards. As an Ultimate ability maybe an AoE-Attack where they stab their weapon into the ground and blades shoot out of it.
The javelin one could be good, my idea would be instead of throwing it they do quick stabs, instead f using the shield to block use it like Caps Shield and throw it at the enemy (it can bounce around if needed) and he can kinda do a rein charge were it’s just a dash to get around for mobility.
Instead of having a shield like brig what about a parry dagger that when timed as damage comes in could reward you in some way, bonus damage, health steal, ability regen, idk but some one up close landing multiple strikes and parrying to stay alive sounds fun, or even have a boxer with a heat mechanic like the yakuza games
I FOUND SOMETHING I FOUND SOMETHING when you look at the "overwatch cinematic trailer" and go to 0:44 you see some girlypop with two swords at the top left idk i'd like her in the game
Still think they need a space tiger thats a melee character thats after wrecking ball for wrecking the space station. Maybe winston and him are counterparts. Hahah just my fantasy speaking, dont mind me.
I would really LOVE to have Magnus as a Champion. He looks super cool, and a swordfighter would be so new and interesting for overwatch. Camila however I feel like would be boring because hazard has already has arm spikies, and she'd likely just dash like genji. Not to mention she'd be too similar Camille from league of legends. Camille is a fast woman with pointy legs. The difference between pointy arms and pointy legs seems negligible.
Asa (Kirko's mom and mentor of the Shimada brothers) would be my choice for a melee-only dps hero given that - as Genji says in-game - she is "the best swordmaster in the world." I also like the idea of the next hero being tied to the Colosseo map. There can even be ties to Morocco as there have been hints that such a country might be where one of the next maps will come from. Moreover, they can even take a page from Marvel Rivals and showcase a hero that is a master of martial arts. There are various fighting styles around the world. For example, a Filipino dps hero can be based around Arnis, the national martial art of the Philippines.
I’ve been saying this for YEARS!!!!!!!! I would love it to be someone connected to the Crusaders! Maybe a Crusader wearing a light suit of armor meant for a scout? Mobile and able to use a shield as well. Maybe an ult that allows you to throw the shield repeatedly
Most gladiators were from Germania, but some were Greek, some Roman, some from North Africa, very diverse games. The characters from Colosseo are as good ideas for a melee dps.
they need more melee heros in general. the game was SUPPOSED to be a moba shooter, now its just a shooter with a whisper of moba elements. i remember getting into Rein and feeling like an unstoppable force, hacking down enemy health with each swing. it felt different being the guy with the hammer in a room full of gunners and its a feeling that became more and more isolating rather than invigorating after time. Marvel Rivals (not to glaze) genuinely captured me on this notion alone, so many different play styles and many are melee based.
Agreed. Overwatch forgot that the wacky play styles is what attracted everyone to the game initially. Crazy concepts like Reinhardt - a literal WOW character in an fps game, Genji - ninja character with shurikens and a mystical blade for melee, Hanzo - similar to genji but an archer that shoots a fucking DRAGON for an ultimate attack, Doomfist - a punch melee character dropped straight into an fps with crazy mobility and skill. I think a cool new dps melee character would shake things up again for Overwatch & bring more eyes to the game.
I swear playing any melee character will have me physically leaning into my attacks like I’m playing Mario kart on the Wii No ranged hero does that for me :(
I’ve always felt it was a little weird that characters liked doom or genii weren’t entirely melee heros. I get that their melee is the focus of all of their abilities, but I would have liked their primary weapons to be the melee instead of something else.
If not paladins and marvel rivals have you covered. If they were able to make a melee dps they would take inspiration from Paladins Vora or Zhin who use melee weapons but at range shoot a projectile to hit opponents from a far. Just using melee is more difficult in an FPS rather TPS.
I think a melee sword hero makes the most sense but least likely bc genji but i like the idea of a whirlwind ult could be cool and it can be like a tornado and pull towards you and not camilla a hero with blades on their arm that leaps and climbs sounds too much like hazard
Ide love them to do the highlander hero McCloud with a claymore sword and maybe horse ult thats a mech would be cool but guess 2 scottish heros back to back is a no go , a man can dream know
It should be a Lore character we have been waiting for. It’s been 3 heroes since Mauga. We should get a lore character, then the 3 roles. I believe we are very overdue for lynx 17.
My friend and I were talking about this yesterday and I have a theory that they follow a trend when it comes to releasing new characters. I won't get into the details of my theory unless people want to hear it. But basically, we've come to the idea that the character will either be Russian, African or Pakistani(they could also be an ominc) and it'll be a girl They might have a temporary flight or hover ability They'll be a projectile hero who can spam down range like a hanzo or junkrat, but they'll be more akin to hanzo. I personally think they might have a crossbow or throw projectiles like axes or rocks or maybe have a slingshot
We need another korean hero, though I'd rather a korean support with a mech like dva. this game is huge in korea, yet they only have one hero and they launched with the first game 8 years ago. It's time to show them some love. kiriko being a kitsune should have been korean smh.
Started playing during ow2, I like old heroes abilities more than any new heroes. Most new heroes have been meh like why we giving autoaim heals to kiriko weaver etc.
Use a meka squad member, make it a exo suit dual-wield weapon user. Make a narrative about meka squad reinventing or upgrading the robots to exo suit armors. Make a good animation shorts. Instant profit. We don’t have a good looking male that will entice our girlie gamers back. Genji needs a competition
2:30 whole heartedly disagree. I play strength builds in cyberpunk 2077 which is a first person game, and I love doing fist fights and the boxing matches the most, so if we do get a fast pace melee dps I would hop on that train instantly
Nah no way, i don't think they've ever done two roles in a row, at least not with OW2. I wouldn't mind another tank, so long as they're interesting like Sigma. We need more tanks like Sigma.
Just bring back DPS doom... Tank doom is not cutting it, and i dont care what anyone says - he is weak ! And not fun to play AT ALL . And he is not even good at tanking that much, so tank doom really satisfies no one . Just reduce DPS doom's damage and stuns but bring him back .
That’s clearly not going to happen. Doomfist is a good tank but has such a higher skill ceiling compared to most tanks in Overwatch 2. I main Junker Queen who takes skill. Learning to manage cooldown reduction, using angles to help cut down damage you accumulate, always applying bleed as much as you can, with all that Doomfist is even harder.
Yes to all three Honestly a key thing for me is that Overwatch should invest in more weapon varieties like what Marvel Rivals has cause that makes each hero feel unique Plus by trying to go for more variety they make the heroes more interesting upon release Although I still think they should try out releasing multiple heroes in a single season for more variety as well so I say they should release all three gladiators at once and each of them is in one of the three roles
@@kenleyreyes I really don't know why they're so slow with content. They spent most of OW2's development working on a mode that no longer exists, brought some elements of it back into the game as limited modes, so like what's the deal? We got it, no more PvP, but that doesn't mean that work has to go to waste. It's already mostly done for you, just figure out how to bring it to PvP.
That wall crawler unit seems like it'd be sick to play in a soloplayer game but I imagine she'd get shut down pretty fast in MP. I could see sth like this I guess: ability1 - teleport to a wall within range, genji-dashes to the target location. Crouch or jump for soft/launch dismount passive - lucio wallride, without the speedboost (but her base speed is increased anyway) ability 2 - charge (rein charge, knockdown and pin on hit, as per archives) secondary fire - blade shield (reduces incoming damage from front, has a half-second reflection window on sgtartup) primary fire - strong blade swipes quick melee - a knee-strike that also launches her forward a short distance (with cooldown) to close gaps, acts as a double-jump
I actually tried to recreate the talon assassin in the workshop baseing an hero on that, in a similar way how Mauga is based of the Heavy assoult unit. I tried to make a lot of abilities some directly inspired from the assassin and other a bit more original but that still fit with the assassin playstyle, the kit I landed with was this: -Primary fire: blade slashes -Secondary fire: Flash, a small dash, in function similar to tracer's blink but omnidirectional, and a bit shorter, CD 4s, -1 s when you hit an enemy with a blad slash. - Ability 1: Vicious tendril: 15m tendril, if hit the enviorment it behave like a widow graple, if it hit an enemy function like an inverse hook, the assassin rapidly assault the target, CD 10s. -Passive: Assassin agility: +20 movement speed, +30 jump speed, can perform, wall jumps. -Ultimate: execution: after a 1 s cast time quickly dashes in the direction she's faceing, if hit an enemy will deal 300 damage and knock them down for 1 s.
Considering all the 'ow2' released are damage heroes with the words of 'support and tank' slapped on them they already released a melee hero... It's Junker Queen. Also had Doomfist as a damage hero long ago.
Her primary is her shotgun though, her melee is her ability. It's the same with Doom, Ram, Hazard, etc. all of the tanks besides Rein, the only true melee tank and only other strictly melee hero in the game besides brig. C'mon Blizzard.....
Wasn't their whole thing having 2 tanks and 2 supports out before doing a new dps cause there's so many dps in the game already? If that's the case, Venture was followed by Juno and Hazard so wouldn't the next one be a support and then tank and THEN dps?
Plus with the drastic need for more tanks for queue times, especially if they implement 6v6, I doubt they'd want to lose even a portion of the Doom/Reinhardt playerbase rn
Yes that was their reasoning before, but honestly even with so many dps, they're getting kinda staIe. Venture is still the only dps added in 2.5 years, and the only dps added in over 4 years if you excluse the OW2 additions. Though honestly at some point they should stop adding dps and focus on reworking the existing roster. Oh yeah, where's that reaper rework they said was in the pipeline over a year ago??????
should a fist count as melee? I guess so, but even still it isn't his primary. I mean even the melee tanks we do have now, they're mostly gun users. Doom, Queen, Ram, etc. Rein is the only strictly melee tank. If they make a melee dps they might do the same.....
I want a melee character that's like a gladiator, he should be italian! There are no Italian heros in OW which is weird. Maybe it'll be a character from one of the posters in colleseo 😮
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Is Torbjorn's hammer the best example of a melee weapon?
Reinhardt is the Knight.
Brigitte is the Paladin.
It's time for the mighty Barbarian.
Torb is a artificer
genji a rouge
honzo a ranger
zen and rammatra are monks
Queen is the Barbarian. Although with a shotgun so
zarya and winston both feel the barbarian way in a unique way, winston with the ult and zarya with "you hit me i get stronger"
@@OffBeatJay mercy is a cleric
lucio is a bard
@@AD_Nelson I gotta make a over watch dnd campaign campaign
My friend who has only played OW2: "We need a DPS melee hero!"
Me, playing since Beta: "So, about Doomfist..."
Doomfist wasn’t a fully melee dps though he still has his shotgun knuckle things
@@aidenbrenneman2302 But that wasn't his identity. His identity was the dps that had crazy mobility and punched things really hard. He was more melee than shotgun as all of his abilities were punches/slams while the only 'gun' he had was his shotgun knuckles.
@@strombo530 Can't you say the same for Venture 😂?
@@rachetmarvel931Venture is definitely not a melee character. Doomfist is a melee character because he literally plays like a fighter. he can slam , punch , block and used to be able to uppercut.
@@kenleyreyes venture is all about being in melee range. Their melee attack even does more damage than every other basic melee, and you have to combo it with you're primary fire to get the most out of it. Sure they can be picking some corners or high grounds, but their actual value comes from the cooldown management/cycling, and being at melee range
They did have a melee hero, DPS Doomfist.
People don't understand that making a Pure Melee hero in a First Person Shooter is infinitely harder than making one in a Third Person Shooter, there's a reason why Doom has been such a problematic Hero all his existence and all other Melee characters have extremely limited Melee attacks. And if they try to make a 3rd Person Melee character in Overwatch then till function a lot differently than what people are seeing in Rivals. Just the FoV advantage of a pure 3rd person character in a First Person game will be insane, and because such a character will inherently need to be given a lot of mobility it'll make things a lot more complicated.
Venture is more what a well-made Melee character in Overwatch looks like, anything beyond Venture will just go back into DPS Doom territory.
@@JonklingJonkler Blizzard shouldn’t have turned Doom into a tank hero. His identity has been gutted, he’s just there to be the enemy team’s punching bag now to protect his team.
Bring back dps doom
@@supermagnumable Nope. Tank doom main here. I prefer the doomfist we have now tbh.
Imagine a transcendental fighter who unlocked his third eye allowing him to see in the third person, a good excuse to implement a character like that, he will be unique like all the others
it would be kiri's mom if a melee is needed i think it'll go well
Her beast as a tiger like the painting in hanamura
I think so too. And mainly because I want to see interactions between her, the Shimada brothers and Kiri. And other heroes too. And she would be a fine addition to my main collection
And since it's kiris mom all of the skins that season goes to kiri
I don't really think Asa should have a tiger, because the tiger is from the HASHIMOTO aka: the current Hanamura/Kanezaka bad guys yakuza... Which Kiri and Her mom are fondly against.
And she ain't spiritual connected like her daughter with the fox or Shimadas with the dragons, she is just a very good bladesmaster
@@sandyrp2 don't bring that useless energy here
@@fabbius0180 are you sure the tigers are related to the hashimoto?
The talon assasin to gladiator would be a perfect backstory, similar to Baptiste but a little different in the right kind of ways. She doesn't turn to becoming a vigilante like soldier or sojourn, so I think it could fit. Lots of great backstory connections with the other heroes too, especially if she was directly involved in the event where Maximillian (I think I'm thinking of the same event) was captured by overwatch.
A week ago, i was so bored, then i started to think of a meelee dps, then i har an idea to make a character based on my rpg's character.
Her name is Yurei Hoshinari.
She's from Japan (Shinjuku)
Her fighting style is FULL meelee, because she uses Soryu Shiki fighting style (a variation of Karate).
Her concept is in my community tab. (It's in Brazilian Portuguese, so you'll need to translate it)
I recomend you to check it, her concept is just... ABSOLUTE CINEMA.
I'll actually play dps if they give me that female assassin in retribution event.
Ive been saying this for years. The talon assassin's teleport would be hella fun to use and offer enough mobility to fix the range issue. The cc might feel gross to play against, though, even as an ult.
why hasn't blizzard thought of a hero with a flamethrower yet?
Probably because it's a war crime... TF2 gets away with it because of the M rating and the premise of the game being war criminals working together to kill other war criminals. And even then Pyro's flame adds a lot of visual clutter to the game, and I can only imagine how bad that would be in Overwatch where visual clutter is pretty common.
Tracer: Who... are you?
A guy with 2 Claymores, beautiful hair and a big smile: I... am Emre
The Claymore in each hand and a smile on my face?
Italy is the location with the most maps (Colosseao, Rialto e Malevento) that still does not have an hero with that nationality, so it's statistically likely that the next hero would be Italian, and I really hope it's the case, it is from 2018 with the retribution event that I'm waiting for an Italian hero.
being part Italian I think this is a great idea.
Not being Italian at all I think it's not a great idea.
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Mi spiace ma non arriverà mai mi sa 💀 potevano fare un gladiatore con una lancia però hanno reworkato orisa e glielo hanno dato a lei 🤦🏾♂️
@Shinigami-xm6on è ancora possibile secondo me, conta che orisa ha un giavellotto e non proprio una lancia, che viene usata come arma da lancio, quindi una lancia più tradizionale come arma melee secondo me può funzionare, o al massimo gli danno una spada, che va bene che genji usa già le katane, ma esistono molti tipi di spade.
i think we need more heroes with high skill ceiling.
They’d get nerfed into being mid.
@@gabezepeda5010 or turned into a different role with their identity slaughtered in their next game
Nah, just less heroes with a super low skill ceiling. Like the ones that don't have to aim. Which a melee hero would be.
@@johnh3611Why?
@@johnh3611 nah its actually better to have heroes with higher skill ceiling bc otherwise theyre not playable in top500. I mean... they are but thats the problem. Its not fair that they are. Like... tracer is the only hero that deserves to be the top pick. Genji, wrecking ball deserve but they arent. Heroes like widow shouldnt be there. And i dont say she doesnt need aim but there are characters that require more aim and skill but get less value. Am i wrong?
His name is doomfist and they swapped him to tank
As an Italian i would love a gladiator as a character. Maybe tank and not dps, but it's fine. They could make him an omnic that guides the omnic rebellion in Rome or Naples (plz add my city as a map, Blizzard, come on) such as Spartaco, a gladiator of the Ancient Rome that lived in Capua (see his story on wiki cause is quite long but beautiful)
Part of me wants for MORE omnics
The universe of Overwatch is defined by the robots that gained conscience and having so FEW of them - heroes or villain - is quite sad
For the javelin idea... I find it interesting. Think of something like Kratos using his spear in the last Gof of War or even the Laser Lance from Armored Core 6. Being a gladiator? Give him a net that you can throw and a chariot he can summon to run over enemies
But the last one being something similar to Mauga (a past enemy in those modes, worked to be a full fleshed hero)? I can see something there
Maybe even a spear + shield and having a shield bash/throw
I really want Soundquake ngl, he would be the perfect next tank
Next hero should be one fans want like Jetpack cat. Blizzard needs a slam dunk or rivals will steal the lead.
I’ve literally made an idea like this, Souls inspired with a rolling ability to doge. His name is Paladin, an Omnic DPS hero who has a slash ability, a shield at 300hp, and his ultimate is “Vanguard”, working similar to Brig’s ultimate where she receives some combat buffs minus the healing. Bigger sword, bigger shield, faster speed, and he was originally going to be Scottish before the news about Hazard dropped
I think they just need to revert Doomfist to dps and VOILÀ!
No one is disagreeing with you that dps doom was more fun to play as but you can't disagree with the fact that tank fist is an overall healthier hero for the game. Dps doom fist was only fun to play as and everyone else in the lobby was just annoyed when he was in a game.
But doom does need a rework because nobody likes how the current empowered punch works.
@@urbimisko8078 Ah yes, an interesting and fun hero isn't 'healthy' for the game. While old doomfist could be annoying, he was only an absolute menace in the hands of someone who knew how to play him at a high level. Old doom also had a significantly higher skill ceiling than current doom.
It was the first time Blizzard did something cool and unique with their characters. A lot of the other existing characters in OW1 were decent, but nothing that really stood out unlike doom. Now we barely have any characters that stand out and a lot of them have hold-your-hand ability design. Hazard doesn't really bring anything new to the table other than a CC ult, since they've been too scared to add more CC to the game.
They NEED to not only bring back DPS doom, but they also need to stop playing it safe and go all out with character designs. They need to follow the example of Marvel Rivals. Not necessarily make EVERY character OP, but make every character stand out and feel fun to play, cause as basically the ENTIRE roster stands, they feel bland and incomplete. Hell, Paladins has similar character designs that feel SIGNIFICANTLY better than their OW counterparts.
@@strombo530 dps doom was literally just wait, jump in, one shot someone, jump out. While sure it might be cool to do it, it's not really fun to have absolutely zero control over your death. There's a reason people find widow (VERY high skill ceiling) annoying
No,since we already have Venture.
@strombo530 This is a whole lot.
But imo,Marvel rivals has no better hero designs than Overwatch,besides there dps. Marvel Rivals Tanks are so unfun,same with the support.
I think a melee hashimoto member would be amazing. Not only do we not have any hashimoto members despite their relevance to the story, but they could act almost as a mirror to Genji, using their blade all the time.
I agree, but I'd like to see a Korean dude before another Japanese one. A big and shirtless Korean man 😍
There are 2 characters who are teased as heroes currently.
Maximilien with the short story , circuit royale tablet and Havana updates
Emre Sarioglu, huge lore info with Declassified, streamer name "Emremain" which the devs confirmed to be hints for future heroes and THIS ONE is the last one not connected to a hero, the Sojourn voiceline on Havana alongside with the map updates revealing that he is most likely active there.
we had this with dps doomfist, would be cool if they made a new one for dps as he is now a tank
The melee Damage hero should be Asa Yamagami. Kiriko's mother taught both Genji and Hanzo the sword, and in Genji's words is the world's greatest swordsmaster. She even seems to be known by Doomfist as he comments about Asa when eliminated by Kiriko as well as remarks when Genji mentions her.
Yessss!
People wouldn’t care. They’d just say they’re copying rivals and laugh.
Isn't the next one support as they want to even out the numbers between roles so support, tank, support, tank, dps repeat. But obviously plans can change.
I’m not sure it’s going to be the next damage hero, melee characters are divey and short range, same as the last 3 heroes.
Emre Sarioglu, the last og overwatch agent, the legend, the not playable character with more mains, the lone wolf of Istanbul, the new olympic turkish marksman the game need...
please please please add emre already its time 😭
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Special attack: Honor Killing 😅
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I dont understand why they haven't made a spear user for a hero. You just make the primary fire a spear thrust that has a small hitbox that can crit and has a decent range. For the other abilities, let them use the but of the spear to vault for mobility or a lunging thust with the spear. Then some sort of creative suvival tool like genji deflect or orisa spear spin to stay in the fight a bit longer and done. High skill with the headshots and small melee hitbox.
Genjin was supposed to be melee during develoment, but it was so broken that they made him only melee during the uktimate and gave him shurikens instead
I want a shotgun dps that has a grapple like ball except when its out its always 'reeling,' and faster than balls rmb reel. like attach it on a corner, get put into grapple slide, slide round the corner, let go of grapple, and keep sliding until momentum/speed just reaches walking speed. affected by diagonal surfaces. no contact damage, just mobility. just like a pure doom boomstick hyper mobile ground dps
An actual melee dps would get me back to this game. Been addicted to playing Magik, Wolverine and Iron Fist.
I think the coolest melee dos character would be that one blade guy from the fight in queens trailer, that would be so sick
I think a Melee-DPS would be cool and can work even in a FPS-Game. Ramattra´s Pummel is a melee-attack but it also creates shockwaves which damage enemies. A gimmick for a melee-DPS could be that with each swing of their weapon they send out an shockwave (which doesn´t go through enemies to keep it balanced) but the closer they are the more damage it does and when the weapon connects with the target it makes the most amount of damage - the secondary fire could be charging up the sword-swing which increases the shockwave/slash-damage. I would imagine some kind of broadsword-Fighter who besides their sword has an ability for mobility like Hazard´s leap (but purely for mobile actions) and for a secondary ability how about Link´s iconic whirlwind-attack where he swings their sword around him pushing people back and could also be used in mid-air to travel upwards. As an Ultimate ability maybe an AoE-Attack where they stab their weapon into the ground and blades shoot out of it.
I feel like for a melee hero, one of the yokai gang members is also a big possibility
Talon member, template of those Banshees. We probably get that one.
Ngl, a hot-spirited femme fatale would contrast nicely with widow's cold shouldered attitude.
Me waiting for an Italian character and Colosseo having models that could be melee DPS heroes.
The javelin one could be good, my idea would be instead of throwing it they do quick stabs, instead f using the shield to block use it like Caps Shield and throw it at the enemy (it can bounce around if needed) and he can kinda do a rein charge were it’s just a dash to get around for mobility.
Instead of having a shield like brig what about a parry dagger that when timed as damage comes in could reward you in some way, bonus damage, health steal, ability regen, idk but some one up close landing multiple strikes and parrying to stay alive sounds fun, or even have a boxer with a heat mechanic like the yakuza games
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when you look at the "overwatch cinematic trailer" and go to 0:44 you see some girlypop with two swords at the top left
idk i'd like her in the game
As a Melee Main I Ageer
It’s going to be blue doomfist, which is just dps doomfist, but blue.
I’m still hoping for like an assassin type, sneaking around, dealing more damage from behind or by air assassination, that kinda stuff
Please not another sombra
Still think they need a space tiger thats a melee character thats after wrecking ball for wrecking the space station. Maybe winston and him are counterparts. Hahah just my fantasy speaking, dont mind me.
He didn’t say it but there also isn’t a support with shorguns
I would really LOVE to have Magnus as a Champion. He looks super cool, and a swordfighter would be so new and interesting for overwatch. Camila however I feel like would be boring because hazard has already has arm spikies, and she'd likely just dash like genji. Not to mention she'd be too similar Camille from league of legends. Camille is a fast woman with pointy legs. The difference between pointy arms and pointy legs seems negligible.
Finally somebody gets it
It can be emre sarioglu too
Asa (Kirko's mom and mentor of the Shimada brothers) would be my choice for a melee-only dps hero given that - as Genji says in-game - she is "the best swordmaster in the world." I also like the idea of the next hero being tied to the Colosseo map. There can even be ties to Morocco as there have been hints that such a country might be where one of the next maps will come from.
Moreover, they can even take a page from Marvel Rivals and showcase a hero that is a master of martial arts. There are various fighting styles around the world. For example, a Filipino dps hero can be based around Arnis, the national martial art of the Philippines.
I’ve been saying this for YEARS!!!!!!!! I would love it to be someone connected to the Crusaders! Maybe a Crusader wearing a light suit of armor meant for a scout? Mobile and able to use a shield as well. Maybe an ult that allows you to throw the shield repeatedly
Most gladiators were from Germania, but some were Greek, some Roman, some from North Africa, very diverse games. The characters from Colosseo are as good ideas for a melee dps.
they need more melee heros in general. the game was SUPPOSED to be a moba shooter, now its just a shooter with a whisper of moba elements. i remember getting into Rein and feeling like an unstoppable force, hacking down enemy health with each swing. it felt different being the guy with the hammer in a room full of gunners and its a feeling that became more and more isolating rather than invigorating after time. Marvel Rivals (not to glaze) genuinely captured me on this notion alone, so many different play styles and many are melee based.
Agreed. Overwatch forgot that the wacky play styles is what attracted everyone to the game initially. Crazy concepts like Reinhardt - a literal WOW character in an fps game, Genji - ninja character with shurikens and a mystical blade for melee, Hanzo - similar to genji but an archer that shoots a fucking DRAGON for an ultimate attack, Doomfist - a punch melee character dropped straight into an fps with crazy mobility and skill.
I think a cool new dps melee character would shake things up again for Overwatch & bring more eyes to the game.
imo so much melee (or very short range attacks) is what makes the tanking in rivals so boring
I swear playing any melee character will have me physically leaning into my attacks like I’m playing Mario kart on the Wii
No ranged hero does that for me :(
I’ve always felt it was a little weird that characters liked doom or genii weren’t entirely melee heros. I get that their melee is the focus of all of their abilities, but I would have liked their primary weapons to be the melee instead of something else.
Maximilien as a support should be added next. Also new lore has been added with Max. He had the comic and there is a note that he leaves for Sombra
I hope it's McCloud or Kiriko's Mom
And Emre as well!
Good ideas here, I think Rivals open their eyes to a melee dps and maybe help them to fit it into the roster
If not paladins and marvel rivals have you covered. If they were able to make a melee dps they would take inspiration from Paladins Vora or Zhin who use melee weapons but at range shoot a projectile to hit opponents from a far. Just using melee is more difficult in an FPS rather TPS.
I want a melee sword character, like Genji's initial concept tbh
I think a melee sword hero makes the most sense but least likely bc genji but i like the idea of a whirlwind ult could be cool and it can be like a tornado and pull towards you and not camilla a hero with blades on their arm that leaps and climbs sounds too much like hazard
Ide love them to do the highlander hero McCloud with a claymore sword and maybe horse ult thats a mech would be cool but guess 2 scottish heros back to back is a no go , a man can dream know
It should be a Lore character we have been waiting for. It’s been 3 heroes since Mauga. We should get a lore character, then the 3 roles. I believe we are very overdue for lynx 17.
My friend and I were talking about this yesterday and I have a theory that they follow a trend when it comes to releasing new characters. I won't get into the details of my theory unless people want to hear it.
But basically, we've come to the idea that the character will either be Russian, African or Pakistani(they could also be an ominc) and it'll be a girl
They might have a temporary flight or hover ability
They'll be a projectile hero who can spam down range like a hanzo or junkrat, but they'll be more akin to hanzo.
I personally think they might have a crossbow or throw projectiles like axes or rocks or maybe have a slingshot
1:25 Could you please explain why having a pet hero would make 6 v 6 confusing
Your not making sense?
Why would it be too confusing?
I created a concept for a wind-flavored martial artist who uses tonfas that combine into a bo staff
Kiriko mother is a swordmaster, she trained Genji n Hanzo.
We need another korean hero, though I'd rather a korean support with a mech like dva. this game is huge in korea, yet they only have one hero and they launched with the first game 8 years ago. It's time to show them some love. kiriko being a kitsune should have been korean smh.
It would also be nice to have an AOE damage based support.
I wish they added something like cloack and dagger but in overwatch
Started playing during ow2, I like old heroes abilities more than any new heroes. Most new heroes have been meh like why we giving autoaim heals to kiriko weaver etc.
Use a meka squad member, make it a exo suit dual-wield weapon user. Make a narrative about meka squad reinventing or upgrading the robots to exo suit armors. Make a good animation shorts. Instant profit. We don’t have a good looking male that will entice our girlie gamers back. Genji needs a competition
i really hope the next hero is support just so tank and support will be even with one another
I hate this idea as much as I hate playing against any melee character in a fps.
2:30 whole heartedly disagree. I play strength builds in cyberpunk 2077 which is a first person game, and I love doing fist fights and the boxing matches the most, so if we do get a fast pace melee dps I would hop on that train instantly
Dps doomfist isn’t enough, I need iron fist in this game NOW
I like your Reinhardt voice.
as a magik OTP in rivals i would flip my shit if we got a melee dps character
Played the final, melee work well in first person
can’t wait for this video to age like fine milk and blizzard releases another tank.
Nah no way, i don't think they've ever done two roles in a row, at least not with OW2. I wouldn't mind another tank, so long as they're interesting like Sigma. We need more tanks like Sigma.
I keep wanting a Canadian lumberjack and they keep giving out half Canadians that are not even stereotypically Canadian
C'mon now, Soj at least is full Canadian, right?
Just bring back DPS doom... Tank doom is not cutting it, and i dont care what anyone says - he is weak ! And not fun to play AT ALL . And he is not even good at tanking that much, so tank doom really satisfies no one . Just reduce DPS doom's damage and stuns but bring him back .
That’s clearly not going to happen. Doomfist is a good tank but has such a higher skill ceiling compared to most tanks in Overwatch 2. I main Junker Queen who takes skill. Learning to manage cooldown reduction, using angles to help cut down damage you accumulate, always applying bleed as much as you can, with all that Doomfist is even harder.
If elder scrolls can do fps melee like sword and shield style ow2 can too
Yes to all three
Honestly a key thing for me is that Overwatch should invest in more weapon varieties like what Marvel Rivals has cause that makes each hero feel unique
Plus by trying to go for more variety they make the heroes more interesting upon release
Although I still think they should try out releasing multiple heroes in a single season for more variety as well so I say they should release all three gladiators at once and each of them is in one of the three roles
Yeah Overwatch really needs to add new content in their game at a faster pace and I think that will earn them respect from people who stopped playing
@@kenleyreyes I really don't know why they're so slow with content. They spent most of OW2's development working on a mode that no longer exists, brought some elements of it back into the game as limited modes, so like what's the deal? We got it, no more PvP, but that doesn't mean that work has to go to waste. It's already mostly done for you, just figure out how to bring it to PvP.
Not me sitting here hoping that Mercy line about meeting the person she romantically has her eye on will pay off in a new character :(.
I would love a melee dps hero hope its the next one
Hmmm …. Be nice but I doubt it. Team Four is in disarray after layoffs and Marvel Rivals coming out.
They rework tank DF into dps DF again
Doomfist and Venture…😔
That wall crawler unit seems like it'd be sick to play in a soloplayer game but I imagine she'd get shut down pretty fast in MP.
I could see sth like this I guess:
ability1 - teleport to a wall within range, genji-dashes to the target location. Crouch or jump for soft/launch dismount
passive - lucio wallride, without the speedboost (but her base speed is increased anyway)
ability 2 - charge (rein charge, knockdown and pin on hit, as per archives)
secondary fire - blade shield (reduces incoming damage from front, has a half-second reflection window on sgtartup)
primary fire - strong blade swipes
quick melee - a knee-strike that also launches her forward a short distance (with cooldown) to close gaps, acts as a double-jump
I actually tried to recreate the talon assassin in the workshop baseing an hero on that, in a similar way how Mauga is based of the Heavy assoult unit. I tried to make a lot of abilities some directly inspired from the assassin and other a bit more original but that still fit with the assassin playstyle, the kit I landed with was this:
-Primary fire: blade slashes
-Secondary fire: Flash, a small dash, in function similar to tracer's blink but omnidirectional, and a bit shorter, CD 4s, -1 s when you hit an enemy with a blad slash.
- Ability 1: Vicious tendril: 15m tendril, if hit the enviorment it behave like a widow graple, if it hit an enemy function like an inverse hook, the assassin rapidly assault the target, CD 10s.
-Passive: Assassin agility: +20 movement speed, +30 jump speed, can perform, wall jumps.
-Ultimate: execution: after a 1 s cast time quickly dashes in the direction she's faceing, if hit an enemy will deal 300 damage and knock them down for 1 s.
melee heroes is very hard to balance but it can be funny af, at least playing that hero
what if you could swap between the three of them like cloak and dagger?
Considering all the 'ow2' released are damage heroes with the words of 'support and tank' slapped on them they already released a melee hero... It's Junker Queen.
Also had Doomfist as a damage hero long ago.
Yeah but junker queen has a gun so she’s more of just a “close ranged character”
Her primary is her shotgun though, her melee is her ability. It's the same with Doom, Ram, Hazard, etc. all of the tanks besides Rein, the only true melee tank and only other strictly melee hero in the game besides brig. C'mon Blizzard.....
Wasn't their whole thing having 2 tanks and 2 supports out before doing a new dps cause there's so many dps in the game already? If that's the case, Venture was followed by Juno and Hazard so wouldn't the next one be a support and then tank and THEN dps?
Plus with the drastic need for more tanks for queue times, especially if they implement 6v6, I doubt they'd want to lose even a portion of the Doom/Reinhardt playerbase rn
Yes that was their reasoning before, but honestly even with so many dps, they're getting kinda staIe. Venture is still the only dps added in 2.5 years, and the only dps added in over 4 years if you excluse the OW2 additions.
Though honestly at some point they should stop adding dps and focus on reworking the existing roster. Oh yeah, where's that reaper rework they said was in the pipeline over a year ago??????
Make Doomfist a DPS hero again.
Doomfist was once our melee DPS
should a fist count as melee? I guess so, but even still it isn't his primary. I mean even the melee tanks we do have now, they're mostly gun users. Doom, Queen, Ram, etc. Rein is the only strictly melee tank. If they make a melee dps they might do the same.....
@ it’s technically a gauntlet, the purest melee weapon of all!
I want a melee character that's like a gladiator, he should be italian! There are no Italian heros in OW which is weird. Maybe it'll be a character from one of the posters in colleseo 😮
i love genji so i hope they can make a more melee character
Yeah I agree this is a super cool idea Mr theorist
Lets get Kiriko's mom as a hero, she is a master of the blade.
Imagine the r34....
So they can get turned into a tank in overwatch 3
Arabian with a sword would be cool as an Arabian
A Persian horserider
I NEED a mantis blade hero