That board was scary, defiantly one that needed to be changed. I am glad that you explain to people that carbon does conduct electricity. Thank You for taking the time to video it Ron.
Ron - Thanks for this great overview on the power transformer module rebuild. I am restoring a Bally $6M Dollar Man and have similar repairs to make, however, my rectifier board is not as toasty as the one in the video. Also, thanks for the tip on testing that the vias flowed through the layers of the board that would be a fun problem to troubleshoot.
24:00 - with a good bit of work it would be possible to fix the rectifier board, but removing all pins and sand down enough to clean the area or use glas fiber pen - then solder in new pins and glue the ones to the pcb, where there are no solder holes left to hold it on place and rewire it with insulated wire ... but not economical for a business :)
I'm seriously hoping for a Funhouse Pinball table to come through your doors. That is my favorite pinball table and I would be absolutely fascinated to see you guys work on one. Keep up the great work and Cheers
The question asked this video, a rephrase from the TV series -- "We have the technology... We can rebuild it. The question is -- is it within our budget?!?"😁
Great video Ronnie, that board looked a little toasty. Nothing beats a old new part. Looks like a long series of videos can not wait. My guess is a battery relocation is going to take place? See you next video.
As a fully qualified electronics repairs engineer with over 20 years experience what annoys me the most is when other people have been at a circuit board and damaged all the tracks and all the connectors when they are not qualified and don't know what they're doing because I also take pride in my work
ron i think you were trying to say curates : select, organize, and present (online content, merchandise, information, etc.), typically using professional or expert knowledge. Great video definately the right thing to do with that cabonised board.
What a mess this machine was in when you got it. …. It’s definitely broke. …really looking forward to seeing this one come back from the dead. What a handsome looking machine it is. Thanks for posting Ronnie.
JOES CLASSIC, I heard that pinball techs would ADD in protection Diodes after the fuses to prevent overheating or melting of the header pins on the pcb boards. The protection diodes would OPEN before the pcb board started cooking. I'm not sure what causes the headers and pcb to be burnt black, but what do you think it might have been? and have you heard about adding in protection diodes and what part numbers to use to prevent this problem?
I'm watching a series on a restore on 6 million dollar man pinball machine recently.. Coincidence you do the judge.. By Mike from pinball shenanigans. A fellow Canadian.
The thing especially with house repairs is they want to talk to you and watch you while you are doing it and you can't fully concentrate and work at your normal pace when you are trying to converse and be polite at the same time.
Great job Joe. Question though, when you solder in the new pins, don't you need to separate the solder between each pin, as opposed to melting the solder across the whole board the way you did.
Yes like Simon said in some areas there are 4 or 5 pins in a row that are all connected to the same trace and to each other, it's just how it was designed. Usually though you would be absolutely correct!
The wire across the exit. Is that like the pinball equivalent of the cheats I used to with some computers games on my Commodore 64, like get infinite lives. That was usually done by entering certain POKEs or using a Game Genie cartridge.
Spectrum would tell you "You should do that!" if you shook the machine. That is one weird machine, though. If I wanted any pinball from that era it would be that one, just for how unique it is.
Shocked nobody has hit you with a copyright strike yet....you can hear "Blinded By the Light" pretty darn clearly....Gotta love Manfred Mann, great music from back then.... Yet another machine I'd love to own...I know, I know...I WANT THEM ALL!!!! !LOL
@@theatomicpunkkid Depends on who listens. There are people out there that just file copyright strikes for the fun of it. Several UA-camrs have been "demonitized" because of somebody claiming "Copyright" for "Fair Use" items. The system is not well suited to deal with it, and during that timeframe of being down, no monetization happens. Some youtubers that deal with news, press releases, etc all the time get them CONSTANTLY from media groups. They do this as soon as they can, so "top viewing" times are during their "Copyright Strike" downtime, and last I heard, YT was NOT retroactively reimbursing for all that time....sometimes I think it's YT using a BOT to do this so that the monetization goes down...
@@WreckDiver99 I just saw this thing about UA-cam's right to advertise on everyone's videos and a C note says that it will be midroll ads by June. Like I said kind of reptilian at this point. Godspeed!
@@theatomicpunkkid Yep, isn't it funny..."We'll interrupt your video, NOT for the content creator, but FOR US... Yet, ANYBODY can put a strike against a creator and them get shut down on that video for weeks while it's "figured out". I follow a couple that literally had copyright strikes from the SAME group, within 15 minutes of posting a video...and they did this for several months. EVERY case YT found it was fair use, or it was approved purchased sources, or even public domain, but the creators lost THOUSANDS of dollars (these are 3+Mil sub channels). Apparently YT finally shut the group down, but really? HUNDREDS of videos it took? The creators went nuts for months. It still goes on, but sheesh...They wonder why so many creators are looking for other outlets like LIBRY, Rumble, etc.
I know how the owner feels. If I ever get Data East's Batman table, I'm blocking the outlanes. LOL Every time I get set up for jackpot or get a multiball, the balls hit each other and one drops straight down and the other goes straight to the outlane every time.
Just a bit questionable that with 70's tech they could actually rebuild Steve Austin. Here's your new arm, Steve. We built it from old pinball parts and the sucker's nuclear! But hey, now you've got the crazy flipper fingers!
From just looking at that power board it looks like it’s toast and if this pinball player plants to keep his machine for a while it’s time for a new one when that will work without going belly up maybe a few years down the
The big question: Is it cost effective to repair a board in that condition? Spending more than half an hour trying to fix it makes a new one far cheaper. Carbonized PCB, holes burned in the PCB, damaged copper and corrosion, you're much better of buying new. The only way I'd fix that is if a replacement was unavailable.
Looks like someone did a dodgy job on that rectifier board. I am hoping it wasn't the operator doing that dodgy repair, but I am not sure your customer would have done it...... Definitely a good idea to totally swap the board out. That burning was nasty.
But the fire damage. Really not as bad as dungeon and dragons or rapid fire power supply fire... The damage was bad. But Ron did his magic. Just look at those past videos on the histories of his restore.
I think I know what to do with a board like this that has become carbonized in places. Maybe make a daughterboard and use standoffs and then solder wires between the boards with all the burned spots dug out. Just spitballing.
That board was scary, defiantly one that needed to be changed. I am glad that you explain to people that carbon does conduct electricity. Thank You for taking the time to video it Ron.
Carbon is literally what resistors are made of
Thanks for taking the time for new repair video!
Ron with the transformers jokes! LOL
Blinded by the Light was so popular back when I played pinball at the mall. Good old days...
Damn - I was hoping to see a fire in this video. Looking forward to this series, I love watching you bring this old hardware back from the dead.
Ron - Thanks for this great overview on the power transformer module rebuild. I am restoring a Bally $6M Dollar Man and have similar repairs to make, however, my rectifier board is not as toasty as the one in the video. Also, thanks for the tip on testing that the vias flowed through the layers of the board that would be a fun problem to troubleshoot.
24:00 - with a good bit of work it would be possible to fix the rectifier board, but removing all pins and sand down enough to clean the area or use glas fiber pen - then solder in new pins and glue the ones to the pcb, where there are no solder holes left to hold it on place and rewire it with insulated wire ...
but not economical for a business :)
That thing is so cool. I watched the TV show religiously as a kid. I love the colorful playfield. Can't wait to see this playable in all it's glory!
I'm seriously hoping for a Funhouse Pinball table to come through your doors. That is my favorite pinball table and I would be absolutely fascinated to see you guys work on one. Keep up the great work and Cheers
I really enjoy seeing the different systems get troubleshot and the whole table brought back to life! Thanks sir!
Solid electronics work as always and done with a sense of humour too...top stuff...
Nice one..again!! Thank you Ron!!
Bless you.. even though I didn't hear it..
Still counts.
Great repair videos as always there Ron.... keep them coming!
Great work! You guys are a legend.
Ron: I've had it with these snakes in this back box!
The question asked this video, a rephrase from the TV series -- "We have the technology... We can rebuild it. The question is -- is it within our budget?!?"😁
"We have the technology. We can make it better."
Great video Ronnie, that board looked a little toasty. Nothing beats a old new part. Looks like a long series of videos can not wait. My guess is a battery relocation is going to take place? See you next video.
As a fully qualified electronics repairs engineer with over 20 years experience what annoys me the most is when other people have been at a circuit board and damaged all the tracks and all the connectors when they are not qualified and don't know what they're doing because I also take pride in my work
@Mr Guru one thing I hate is cowboys messing with something they don't even know what they are doing and it causes more problems than good
Ron you Joe & Donnie are a force to be Reckoned with.
That repaired board turned out nice.
Can't wait to see what you do on the MPU.
Six Million Dollar Man pinball, A machine barely alive. Gentlemen, we can rebuild it. We have the technology. The owner can afford it.
ron i think you were trying to say curates : select, organize, and present (online content, merchandise, information, etc.), typically using professional or expert knowledge. Great video definately the right thing to do with that cabonised board.
Some games just go to the left outlane all the freaking time haha
“It go pow” new t shirt with “come on people” on the back
What a mess this machine was in when you got it. …. It’s definitely broke. …really looking forward to seeing this one come back from the dead. What a handsome looking machine it is. Thanks for posting Ronnie.
You, sir, are one of my favorite throne time passing activities. Cicis. Good going in, not so fun coming out.
I’ve worked on 3 SMDM pinball machines and I’ve never had to replace a rectifier board yet 🤞.
That board looked really scary. What a wonder, it never caused a fire. God luck on this early Bally SS.
JOES CLASSIC, I heard that pinball techs would ADD in protection Diodes after the fuses to prevent overheating or melting of the header pins on the pcb boards. The protection diodes would OPEN before the pcb board started cooking. I'm not sure what causes the headers and pcb to be burnt black, but what do you think it might have been? and have you heard about adding in protection diodes and what part numbers to use to prevent this problem?
I'm watching a series on a restore on 6 million dollar man pinball machine recently..
Coincidence you do the judge..
By Mike from pinball shenanigans. A fellow Canadian.
Better safe than sorry. Nice video! Question: where those people by the church fixing the chimes? :) catch you on the next one.
The thing especially with house repairs is they want to talk to you and watch you while you are doing it and you can't fully concentrate and work at your normal pace when you are trying to converse and be polite at the same time.
Awesome! That is one of the games I'd really like to get my hands on someday. That and an Evil Knievel. Have a great day.
-David
Let’s see you’re spare parts department. C’mon now !
You scored with that little radio didn't you it's been going flat out since you got it and it still works right.
Good call I think replacing that board....cheers.
Have you ever broken the glass sliding it out?
I’d be tempted to manufacture a heavier traced rectifier PCB
Great job Joe. Question though, when you solder in the new pins, don't you need to separate the solder between each pin, as opposed to melting the solder across the whole board the way you did.
Normally yes, but on this board there are multiple pins ganged together, in order to provide higher current capacity
@Simon Quigley Thanks for that explanation. I was like... How is anything going to work? The machine's gonna be goin crazy. Lol
Yes like Simon said in some areas there are 4 or 5 pins in a row that are all connected to the same trace and to each other, it's just how it was designed. Usually though you would be absolutely correct!
Always fascinated what you find inside these units, especially the old coins! What's the most interesting one you've located?
I got a client that declares his devices problem as “it’s broke” too
The wire across the exit. Is that like the pinball equivalent of the cheats I used to with some computers games on my Commodore 64, like get infinite lives. That was usually done by entering certain POKEs or using a Game Genie cartridge.
I can easily make out the music in the background and I’d be worried about a copyright strike
Just don't call you late for dinner right? XD
Spectrum would tell you "You should do that!" if you shook the machine. That is one weird machine, though. If I wanted any pinball from that era it would be that one, just for how unique it is.
So how do you like your rectifier board? Regular or extra crispy?
I you were picking up electrical interference noise while you were looking at that burned power board
That is one wasted board! Good call on replacing it. As for his playfield mod, that’s one I’ve never seen before.
Shocked nobody has hit you with a copyright strike yet....you can hear "Blinded By the Light" pretty darn clearly....Gotta love Manfred Mann, great music from back then....
Yet another machine I'd love to own...I know, I know...I WANT THEM ALL!!!! !LOL
I've learned that usually they're okay with it for some reason as long as it's playing on a little radio at least for me.
@@theatomicpunkkid Depends on who listens. There are people out there that just file copyright strikes for the fun of it. Several UA-camrs have been "demonitized" because of somebody claiming "Copyright" for "Fair Use" items. The system is not well suited to deal with it, and during that timeframe of being down, no monetization happens. Some youtubers that deal with news, press releases, etc all the time get them CONSTANTLY from media groups. They do this as soon as they can, so "top viewing" times are during their "Copyright Strike" downtime, and last I heard, YT was NOT retroactively reimbursing for all that time....sometimes I think it's YT using a BOT to do this so that the monetization goes down...
@@WreckDiver99 it would not surprise me youtube is kind of reptilian at this point.
@@WreckDiver99 I just saw this thing about UA-cam's right to advertise on everyone's videos and a C note says that it will be midroll ads by June. Like I said kind of reptilian at this point. Godspeed!
@@theatomicpunkkid Yep, isn't it funny..."We'll interrupt your video, NOT for the content creator, but FOR US... Yet, ANYBODY can put a strike against a creator and them get shut down on that video for weeks while it's "figured out". I follow a couple that literally had copyright strikes from the SAME group, within 15 minutes of posting a video...and they did this for several months. EVERY case YT found it was fair use, or it was approved purchased sources, or even public domain, but the creators lost THOUSANDS of dollars (these are 3+Mil sub channels). Apparently YT finally shut the group down, but really? HUNDREDS of videos it took? The creators went nuts for months. It still goes on, but sheesh...They wonder why so many creators are looking for other outlets like LIBRY, Rumble, etc.
I know how the owner feels. If I ever get Data East's Batman table, I'm blocking the outlanes. LOL Every time I get set up for jackpot or get a multiball, the balls hit each other and one drops straight down and the other goes straight to the outlane every time.
Just a bit questionable that with 70's tech they could actually rebuild Steve Austin. Here's your new arm, Steve. We built it from old pinball parts and the sucker's nuclear! But hey, now you've got the crazy flipper fingers!
From just looking at that power board it looks like it’s toast and if this pinball player plants to keep his machine for a while it’s time for a new one when that will work without going belly up maybe a few years down the
There's a snake in my boots!
Weird. UA-cam unsubscribed me. I re subbed.
You need a new fuse board
The big question: Is it cost effective to repair a board in that condition? Spending more than half an hour trying to fix it makes a new one far cheaper. Carbonized PCB, holes burned in the PCB, damaged copper and corrosion, you're much better of buying new. The only way I'd fix that is if a replacement was unavailable.
That's the difference between you and me
@@LyonsArcade I've been repairing electronics for 41 years.
I didn't think Gigabyte was in business that long...
You sure your name isn't Felix, Ron? ;)
told you it was gonna be a ball ache. wondered why you was sitting on it.
Looks like someone did a dodgy job on that rectifier board. I am hoping it wasn't the operator doing that dodgy repair, but I am not sure your customer would have done it......
Definitely a good idea to totally swap the board out. That burning was nasty.
But the fire damage. Really not as bad as dungeon and dragons or rapid fire power supply fire...
The damage was bad.
But Ron did his magic. Just look at those past videos on the histories of his restore.
At least he isn't six million dollars more into it to get running again.
Yodelayheehoo
I think I know what to do with a board like this that has become carbonized in places. Maybe make a daughterboard and use standoffs and then solder wires between the boards with all the burned spots dug out. Just spitballing.
Alright! Led Zepp in the back ground
if Joe says it's broke, it's broke.
I don't know why you spend so much time troubleshooting these issues yourself when you can just ask Joe and get an instant diagnosis.
HOWDY