Nürburgring:Ferrari 488 Pista Driving on the Limit! EXPLAINED
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- Опубліковано 19 жов 2024
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Today we get into the characteristics of the 488 Pista and how I have it set up. I break down it’s understeer and using a powerslide not to showboat but to actually get the car to rotate around a turn!
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The Ferrari 488 Pista is such a good looking car.
one of the prettiest Ferrari‘s
So much better looking than the 488 GTB
Wait till the track version of the F8 drops
@@razatiger22 the 458 and 488 are wayyy better looking than the F8
@@Ssh52 people didn't like the 488 when it came out but they love the Pista. So wait till the track variant of the F8 drops. It will be 780+ HP.
You're taking the Pista! Another mega video mate, you would be a great dance instructor ;-)
You and me Joe. It’s a date
I love feeling how a car squats when powering out a curve
Looks beautiful doesn’t it?!
Robert Mitchell looks beautiful but feels even better!
Photoshop skills are on point with this cover pic 😅
It’s UA-cam official 🤣
I think it is more like MS Paint than PS:D
Cheers man!
Lmao
Flame on!
Ah the first incident is pretty clear we have a #BLAMESHMEE situation lol, your passenger weight has affected the cars handling....hehe only joking peeps.
Yep if he wasn’t in I would have had better weight transfer to the drivers side and no understeer hahahahaha
That explains Tim’s little chuckle once the car snapped straight, he felt the car sliding and rotating the whole time and it’s actually a really cool feeling when you get it right, as you’ve done here, Robert.
Next video: Driving the RingTracktor on the limit.
How do you like that thumbnail?
Aren’t you already on it’s limit before you leave the car park? 😁
I can’t wait till you get all the Darkside goodies on the Tracktor.
Robert, I shouted at my phone saying 3 questions blitz, you just said about driving smooth... then you said 3 question blitz 😂👍🏼
"Drifting is not allowed in the Nurburgring"
BMW drivers: Yep. Understood
Then starts drifting at first corner
These days, I’m looking forward to your videos as much as I look forward to Shmee’s! Great stuff, Robert!
Robert... you're saying some wonderfully insightful information but all I'm seeing is the paint on your Pista! What a colour!
Very informative explanation, so much understanding of your car handling and capabilities. This kind of information could really help someone. Great video Robert as always.
Loved hearing your perspective on the nuanced balance characteristics of each car. Don't find that detailed of a description elsewhere. Please more videos like this for your other cars!
Today, Robert talks about his spicy Italian Pasta
Hahahahaha
This looks like a comment on a Rob Ferretti video lol
Spicy! Love it!
Wrong channel!
I love that you are such a student of driving and take it so seriously. Something so missing from so many other channels.
What strikes me the most about the Pista is the fact that it accelerates just as fast in 1th untill 5th gear. Never saw any other car do that. Only from 6th gear you can feel that the car is struggling with the wind resistance.
Yes 6th gear also gets longer which is kind of funny. Gotta love boost by gear:-)
The lighting makes the wheels look like what they look like in reality
Incredibly good looking car
This was very informative. Great question prompted first class lesson in automotive dynamics and driving technique. Tom's clips with the slow motion vs full speed clips made this one a masterpiece. Thanks to you both and the track side photographer that donated the clips.
I too love the color on your Pista BTW.
Man, I really appreciate your useful info about driving different layouts of cars properly on track. I find much more interesting your videos instead of some other guy talking about special order stiching on a car. Keep going Robert! :)
It was fun to watch the original video and that little smile you made at the time. It was almost like you were thinking "that should pucker him up a bit". I think its great that Tim lets you beat the crap out of his cars and you guys make a good team. Next time he comes back, you two should shoot a Friday afternoon chat in the garage. Maybe something like "learning the Ring"
Yes that would be fun I think. We will do a sit down at some point and make a fun video
What a great explanation of a truly brilliant piece of driving. That Pista is absolutely gorgeous and looks so cool snaking through the turns. Also, looks like you had a lot of fun taking that car near its limit through that section of the track. Tim looks like he enjoyed it too.
As a MK6 gti owner I learned from this video, thank you!
Nice technique, Robert, love that you drive those cars at the limit.
When I read Derek Seward book and also Caroll Smith, they also said that a nimble setup with little tendency to undesteer while having power-oversteer would be better for lap times.
It's good to listen when the people know what they're talking about and have the skills to achieve the best possible outcomes from situation they put themselves in driving extremely fast,, and are in control at all times during the drive,, liking the content Robert 😉😉☘️☘️☘️from Northern Ireland greatly appreciated
All YT-rs, vloger etc, this is how super cars are driven!!! Bravo Robert!!!🤍👌✌😎
A tech segment with videos like this going through vehicle dynamics would be awesome!
honestly loving the videos
learning so much from someone with such experiance like you
Amazing how much information came from a few seconds of action. Really appreciate you sharing the knowledge. I think your channel is hitting a much desired niche. Its very unique for a super/hyper car owner to have this level of driving skills, technical knowledge, comprehension to concisely digest and explain, then share on youtube. Thank you very much. I truly appreciate your content.
Not a Ferrari fanboy but that Pista is absolutely beautiful!
Definitely agree with the oversteer commentary, you really want to catch that as early as possible. I definitely enjoy the driver analysis bits.
Absolutely stunning Pista, for starts, one of my favourite specs so far and love that take on how it behaves and how squatted it goes!!! Beautiful job you done on the set up and the fact you really exploring to the max!!! Also... LOVING the tech talk and you are 'teaching' us all with so much feedback about the cars and about the driving dynamics in general, in performance driving!! Keep them coming!! Loving them, loving your channel!
Excellent video! Always say, there is a fine line between showing off and coming off! Perfect balance right there!
Good Afternoon Robert.
Thank You and The Team.
The Videos explained a lot about Handling Dynamics and The Mid Engine Pista and Its Current Suspension Settings
Always Great to See You Having Fun and An Owner Enjoying A Wonderful Piece of Engineering Art.
Oh.
How Are Our Favorite Co Pilot Doing ?
Wishing Both You and All at Home and Office.
Good Health.
Cheers Carlyle
Hi Robert, I enjoy the way you explain in detail how are a car feels or drives on the most demanding track in the world. Just wondering if you have driven the latest Honda NSX at the Nurburgring? Your in depth analysis of it’s handling would be most interesting. Keep up the great videos. 👍
I have not yet driven one but it’s something that I definitely want to do
The techniques you have talked about are really helpful. Even in street driving you can implement some of them. A couple of times I found myself going the speed limit and misjudging the sharpness of a corner. I took my foot off the throttle and the car came around beautifully. Even though it's an fwd estate. The dab of the brake is a good shout too for fwd cars. Really loving the vids.
I already feel like I am a much better driver than a couple of minutes ago when the video started- just from listening to Robert speak! Wow. Great job!
Also, side note, I have just subscribed. I am really enjoying your content Robert Mitchell!
well Lepz, welcome to the channel! I hope is can keep some good stuff coming for you:-)
Thank you Robert. I certainly think that I am going to enjoy my self here on the channel!
It's great to see such a beautiful car actually being driven close to the limit
when you explain you really see what the car is doing cheers steve 👍 😀
Stop putting the damn pista in the background, or i'll ask for the color code, it's marvelous.
Grigio Silverstone
@@RobertMitchell best colour for an aggressive ferrari
Nice work, Tom! Nice driving, per usual, Robert!
Driving well explained. I remember sliding a BMW M3 E30 on a test drive. Also did same with Ford Torino and scared the salesman. Drifting wasn't "invented" then.
new sub here just stopping in to say how refreshing it is to enjoy being a 'car guy' after finding your channel Robert,
much appreciation eh and my bucket list includes a ride in a Apex Taxi....
bless up and good vibes all around!
8^)
Hey Robert, thanks for the continued in depth content and your no BS approach. A question for your next Friday segment - What are your thoughts on the Ruf CTR "Yellowbird" video from 1987. It's something I was thinking of when you were talking about on the limit driving. Keep up the good work, keen to visit and attend Apex once they let us Aussies travel again :)
Modern Multimedia makes things so easy. Nice explanation!
Great video! I appreciate the depth of your commentary and the replays to illustrate. Would you please consider doing a similar video with the GT2RS? Hearing your thoughts on the rear engine dynamics would be interesting.
I really like the efforts that you put into displaying Motorsports experiences/concepts.
Fascinating info, Robert!
Just shows how much experience & practice heightens the enjoyment of driving high end performance cars like this Pista!
Me, I’d just crash 😩
This is why a taxi lap is so worth the spends!
No company more capable of delivering the best track experience then Apex !
Peace ❤️
Robert spends 12 min talking about how much he really wants to drift, but this is the next best thing! Just kidding! great video!
I loved the stock setup on the early S2000, it was almost perfect for balancing on the tire limit, slight understeer and a little throttle and you could do the subtle crab of being on the limit through a corner.
Your Pista is BEAUTIFUL, I like that spec !
Thank you joe!
Robert thanks again for these videos. So informative. Would you be able to do similar review of the 718 GTS. I've appreciated the videos you have posted of the drives recently but would like to hear your opinions on the car like you have done for the Pista and GT2RS. Thanks you for considering it.
If I could get my hands on one I’d be all over a video w it
@@RobertMitchell your red one would work!
Had the pista in my mirrors Saturday TF and shmees gt40 I thought you would pass but obviously keeping Tim company , back October hope to get a passenger lap with you in the 620R 😜
Looking forward to that!! Yes the first lap Saturday was w Tim and followed up with 2 more on my own :-)
Hey Robert! After experiencing the reliability of the Pista, would you consider owning multiple of the newer Ferrari models as they come out instead of the McLarens?
The car is so beautiful that I did not listen a word you say Robert... sorry 😐!!! 😂😂😂... kidding... great great great content 👏👏👏
Wow, impressive. Didn't think that the slip angle was that big from the onboard. I love playing around with a car like that, but I'm just driving my MX-5 or rental karts. But see you doing it in a Ferrari Pista... Wow, really impressiv!
Great post and explanation Robert. Love the Pista and your review of the alignment changes you did. I have a 488 spider and R8v10, definitely different characteristics between them on the track. I take them to Watkins Glen. Any thoughts on the Pista brakes, say vs the GT2RS? I find that sometimes I have press the brake pedal on the 488 with all my might. Not sure why, doesn’t happen all the time. The R8 has a great initial bite and is always consistent.
More than the good driving experience is the way that the explanations are made !! Very good !!
I love these tech vidoes. Make me realise how little I know about cars and how much there is to learn
458 and 488 are epic Ferraris !!
Nice technique Robert, very Interesting and informative ty. x lol
Great explanations Robert...Could we try a throttle and break camera shot in the split screen laps you do and talk us through the process...loving the journey...the edits....and the content robert👍👍👍👍
What time do you think a Pista set up by MR would do around the Ring? Btw, awesome video yet again!
Hi Robert, I am driving a R56 Cooper S. I know, I know my car is far from the super cars that you are introducing. But I am really interested to learn how to drive a mini - a short, FF car. You talked about how trail braking help turning the rear. But I found a short FF car like mini really difficult to do because it tends to follow the front a lot. It either oversteer completely out of control, or more often, understeer. I am also having a relatively soft suspension setting and a close to 1.3:1 ratio of front and rear camber.
There's nothing wrong with a bit of #powerslide! Great explanation Robert
Rear tires do not appreciate that much but it's fun!
Great video. And great content lately.
Does the rear diff makes the difference? More lock will it slide more i guess? Strong explaination, like it!
What can you do against these twitchy oversteer characteristics?
I'm guessing playing with the alignment and in Assetto Corsa I notice the cars behaving like this when the diff doesn't lock fully.
Obviously having a longer wheelbase would help, but that's not something that we can / should do.
Also would love to see a video on how alignment can change the characteristics of the car. Like more camber at the front giving more front grip, toe-in at the back giving you a more stable ride etc.
Great ideas for some videos! On the list
Great informative video as always. Slightly unrelated i would be really interested in you guys talking about how you setup your cameras in the cars and what settings you are using. I have a real problem with consistency of footage and you guys seam to nail it :)
Thanks for this great explanation. Really impressive that you can explain meter by meter what happened with the Pista and how you reacted to it.
Love these videos Robert, awesome work
Thanks for all the videos like this one, great explanations and fun learning experience. Keep them coming.
Another great informative video! Love the Pista(imho one of the spec I've seen) and love your explanations! Keep up the good work!
Seems like the 488GTB and Pista have soft springs....I've noticed how much of a difference in ride height the 488 GTB's and Pista's have at speed. In your video your Pista looks like it is all the way down, fully compressed springs with a major change in ride height from standstill to full speed int he corner. So with that in mind do you think the car has lost it's suspension and could cause more sliding around/less grip due to fully compressed springs/shocks? Do you think that shorter stiffer springs would help better with lowering the car but keeping the springs from full compression and shocks too and the car would have more grip? I ask this because I have my 1st 488GTB right now but I come from Porsche GT3's with my last one a 2018 GT3. Thanks for the great insightful videos!!!
Interesting articulation. Not to contradict but accepting your explanation of the understeer correction prior to engaging rumble strip, a simpler explanation of what occurred at rumble is that there was a change (loss) in surface tension and it manifested in back kicking out at faster rate on rumble than track. You, passenger and car came out unscathed; good driving.
No that’s actually I correct. I think you’re a good couple seconds late in where your assessment begins. the car had understeer mid corner! Not at the rumble strip. I forced it to begin an oversteer out of the understeer 10-15 meters before the rumble strip. The entire rotation began from the apex of the turn. The rumble strip had nothing to do with anything. if you watch the slow motion the rotation starts way before the car is even halfway from the apex to the rumble strip and the advanced rate of rotation started a good 50cm before the rumble strip....
If I may chime in here. I think he does not mean the rumble strip did much to affect the steering/corner speed and direction.
What he implies is the back wheels loose tension/grip somewhere mid corner.
I wonder why you conclude to need more downforce on the front axle. I think that would only amplify the shown behaviour, if you don't add a Pista Pasta-Theke at the same time.
I really start thinking that Ferrari builds the perfect machines!
They can be quite comfortable on the street (according to my limited experience apporx. 800km) and on the same time real track weapons! And you get all of that with great reliability and awesome customer service!
I know that some McLaren might be slightly faster but the overall Ferrari package is just incredible!
Anyway I'm very jealous about your car park:)
Thanks for the great content!
Love Adenau, good view of the track, burger and beer too 😊😘
I think making the distinction between a drift and slip angle is huge and the 720S is the perfect example of that, people think on the 720S that when you adjust the "drift" mode that its gonna let you drift that wide and you're safe, it will save you. Thats just not true, that setting is the automatic adjustment the car will do to allow you to achieve that degree of slip angle when driving it correctly on the limit. Informative video as usual.
What a car ! You lucky you :)
I'm sad... I have a ride scheduled on thursday with the GT2RS and thursday is a rainy day ! I chose one of the only rainy days of the week. What a lucky man I am ! Hahahaha ! I know that Robert told me that the experience on a rainy day with Tim is a "once in a life experience", but I wanted to experience the ultimate grip, the brutal braking and the G force etc... anyways, I'm confident Robert knows what he's talking about... and that indeed will be a wonderful experience...
My next ride would be in a McLaren, but I wait for the right model... not sure about the 620R though... i'm waiting to see Robert's first test to decide... But McLaren is high on my list...
Really liking the videos lately. Looking forward to more of the 620R. Seems similar to the senna as a concept.
@Robert Mitchell : really excellent explanation of the dynamics of the Pista through that corner.
What is the reason that a Porsche GT2/3 has less understeer than the Pista? Weight distribution doesn't seem different, track width doesn't show a difference (+/- 3 cm more width at the front)...
Is the understeer you still have in the Pista something you want to/will address with changes to the car? Or is the car well balanced and will changes only make it less effective/joyful to drive?
Hows the M3 GTR coming along?
This. Would love to see more updates. If there are any ofcourse. Of all the cars Robert owns i'm most excited about the M3 GTR.
The whole video trynna not say power slide
You can see it haha :P
Trying not to get in trouble for drifting lol
Great Video! Do you have a preference on the paddles being mounted on the steering wheel (moves with wheel) or on the steering column (does not move with the steering wheel)?
Great Videos Robert, Keep them Coming! About the Pista, why don't you get carbon fibre wheels now for it? Since you use it for track work mostly they save unsprung weight per corner, and every gram counts. Also you said in another of your videos that you thought Ferrari projected the Pista engine for a further 800rpm higher rev band. Why not adjust the software to allow for that also to make it a better driving experience and maybe quicker one? Ferrari might help you out also seeing as you give lots of free coverage to their car. I guess the Pista was not seen as being used by customers mainly for serious tracking since they have their GT3 and GTE cars for that. The Ferrari GTE race car run by Risi Competizione has neat corner stands that by pulling the rear cord lowers the car fully in a second to how you would want it for the track, so lower than the 11m amount you were able to lower your Pista. Also the GTE has fixed seats for safety reasons, with sliding pedals instead for adjustment for driver height and quick removing doors again for safety. Plus many more aero enhancements. Ok that is a racecar but I think some of those things should be available for streetcars for owners like yourself who use the car on a demanding circuit; it was all shown on the supercarblondie video.
Not sure if you've covered this or not, but I'd like to hear where you started at. Did you start in the Canyons of SoCal? At a track? What was your the first car you tracked? Driving school? Its always awesome, for me anyway, to hear where people began and progressed to where they are now.
If you were drifting would of rotated more and a much longer period of slide. Really like the way that you are able to brake down every point of what you are doing and the different techniques that you would use for another of your car's. My question is with just the rotation and not the power slide could you be faster?
I’m sure it would have been a bit faster w/o the slide yes. Towards the end there was a bit of speed lost
The slow motion images make a lot clear.
That pista is a sweet machine!!!! 🤘🤘
In the class of 'racing' I participate in with older rear drive cars the most common problem is corner exit terminal over steer. It can be so quick that catching it is beyond amateur reflexes. Perhaps getting it to set early on exit like with the Ferrari here would be better rather than trying to judge when to put the power down on exit and getting it wrong.
Interesting video, I kinda guessed the outcome before you got to it 😉 just curious though.. Are we not having more snap oversteer moments with today's cars, simply because they are overpowered compared to the traction available from their set up / tyres? I imagine you only need over throttle by a very small degree to initiate snap oversteer on exit? Especially when you also take into account the way Ferrari synthetically integrates a bit of "fun" into proceedings, too?
I kinda prefer the pre-458 Ferraris when you had to work a little to initiate oversteer, occasionally some unplanned oversteer and then you had to work to tame it. That, to me, is the essence of what driving a Ferrari should be - a challenge.
This has a lot to do with why the traction control is SO sensitive on the car
I liked the look Tiffani gave you ;)
This Slowmotion😍
Robert, could you please explain rake angle and how you set it up on your cars? Would raising the rear of your 488 by a couple of mm help the under-steer?
Looks like the stability control helped you out there, have you tried it with everything off, the 458 with CT Off it only lets you play a little it seems, so much more pure with full off tho :D
Would be interested to know what you think of the 488 vs the 458, as I have not had the chance to drive the 488 yet.
Hey Robert, the color on your Pista is Grigio Ferro right?
Actually it’s Grigio silverstone!
Excited to watch this so im commenting before watching and after.
Robert .. would you mind doing a side channel of current affairs? It’s so refreshing a truthful opinion in our current climate. Superb vlogs buddy.
To me it just looks as if you are clearly ‘on it’ however in full control, good man! 👍🏼 ATB Peter
Hey Robert, Quick question. Are your personal cars (pista) or the apex cars (m3 Schirmer, gt2rs) financed or bought cash?
Such great content, again!
Fantastic insightful and instructive comment!