Wait, Universe 7 Earth has living dinosaurs, sentient animal people, access to the underworld, technology that allows you to carry any nonliving thing in your pocket, human like androids, and over-the-top martial arts tournaments featuring inhuman feats performed by people of every nation and nationality (just to name some of the features of that Earth). Meanwhile Universe 6 Earth...destroyed itself. ...Are WE in Universe 6?
U7 Earth doesn't seem to have formal countries either. There is a world military (though there is a monarch) that exists to go to war with things that threaten the planet but everywhere is either rural or random towns and cities. I might be mistaken but I can't remember a country, real or fictional, ever being referenced in Dragon Ball. There is also a common language across the world. There are obviously different ethnicities - you see black people, white people with blond(e) hair and blue eyes, East Asian people (Chi Chi), etc. I doubt they were making a point, but a world without countries would have way fewer wars, in real life, lots of wars are/were down to nationalism and different countries competing over their (perceived) interests, taking land, etc.. Less chance of the world being destroyed in a nuclear exchange. U6 earth probably has countries. About the tech - futuristic unrealistic stuff mixed with anachronisms from the real world that 'ages' the older series. Things like landline phones and old school mobile phones that were still commonplace in the 1990s, etc, that were in GT (Goten was always talking to some woman on one), but Super (set before GT) has everyone using smartphones. Same with stuff like TV and computer designs.
Masako: "Super Saiyan isn't something that you could master over a couple of days..." Goten and Trunks: "Wanna beat?" SSJ3 Gotenks: "I'll get a piece of that action!"
@@tonysmith9905 Neither of them used the time chamber. They only used the time chamber to train as Gotenks, not to achieve super saiyan in the first place. Goten trained with Chichi, but it was shown that he ALREADY knew super saiyan even before.
King Vegeta would never would have given the secret to his people. He wanted to have complete control and giving the secret to anyone is dumb. He was threatened by broly after all.
I am VERY glad the Universe 6 Saiyans are a thing. They added a nice new element to the race. Young warriors realising their potential through their Universal counterparts is a cool idea. I'm still waiting to see if Kale meets Broly. That interaction would be nice.
This topic is weird. U6 Saiyan's as a whole are stronger than U7. The only U7 Saiyans that are stronger is the small handful of survivors in the main cast, they were relatively weak & progressed with intense training. Think how in U7 Nappa is considered an elite but is infinitely weaker than Cabba in base. Caulifla, Cabba & Kale are almost as strong as Goku/Vegeta in base form. The only edge U7 gets is through transformations. So if U6 unlocks these forms (which they seem to progress fairly quickly) they are on the level of the strongest Saiyans ever. We don't know for sure till we see a Sadala arc either way.
I know right? Just because they didn't discover SSJ? Like they need it if they're this strong as teenagers. Though maybe they would have been better excepted in the fandom, if they were adults.
I think the good Saiyans of Universe 6 are very similar to the hybrid Saiyans of Universe 7. Maybe being good boys and girls just makes Saiyans stronger lol
I hate Caulifla the most, she's a prodigy but literally everyone is at this point, so meh. Kale got around her insecurities so that's nice and since she's essentially Broly, her strength makes sense. Cabba's a good boi but it's still nonsense that he matched Vegeta (Vegeta MUST have been suppressed). And I really love Kefla because it shows they needed Potara to match Goku. All of their base power is still a massive asspull tho.
Vegeta was 100% suppressed vs Cabba. Once Cabba got SSJ, Vegeta tanked his attacks without much issue. In the manga, their base powers make more sense. The U6 Saiyans as a race are a galactic police force that deals with strong criminals, so their ace being a bit under the level of base form Buu Saga Saiyans makes sense. It’s in the anime where their base powers make no sense, being about equal to the God powered base forms of Vegeta and Goku.
@@mazokuwolf1279 yeah it's an asspull but Potara's better than new transformations or ridiculous base boosts Imagine if they had individually rivalled divine levels (hell no😁)
Universe 6 saiyans are actually very strong compared to most universe 7 saiyans. Goku Vegeta and their families were not the normal. Most saiyan were in between raditz and knappa
There's only 3 full blooded Saiyans In univ 7 so your opinion isn't valid since there is no longer a planet full of univ 7 Saiyans only 3 are left n they alone will dookie on the entirety of univ 6 saiyans
@@eliseoreyes185810,000 was considered the highest power level. Prince Vegeta was considered a once in a lifetime prodigy and his power level was 18,000 in the Saiyan saga. Whereas Cabba alone in base form will exterminate planet Vegeta.
@@lord_destros2188 The version in heroes looked utterly monstrous. He wore it better than any of the other saiyans, I think. But if you were talking about the sleeker, understated version from Super, then yeah, I still agree. It needs to be his.
Due to the peaceful nature of the Universe 6 Saiyans, they may be stronger than they looked in base form and able to have access Super Saiyan forms but ultimately, they lack the training, experience and refinement like the Universe 7 Saiyans have done and been through. It makes sense due to the Tournament of Power and there was not enough time for Cabba, Caulifla and Kale to train and get used to SSJ properly which they have to do immediate "sink or swim" crash course on how to handle their Super Saiyan forms ASAP in the middle of combat between all teams fighting for the survival of their Universes.
Yep that seems about right. Though I wouldn't say its their nature, because remember U6 Saiyans are basically their universe's Pride Troopers. Cabba even says to Vegeta that they're a race that fights for good in the universe. Its just that the threats they ran into aren't of the scope that Goku and Vegeta regularly deal with or if they are, they never worsen to the point that they do in U7 because of lets call it "lack of manpower" (Vegeta's Pride).
LupineShadowOmega I agree with you, but just because cabba says that they fight for the greater good doesn’t always mean it’s true. No one is naturally peaceful or naturally evil. This is the guy who had his mind blown when frost was revealed to be a fraud. It’s understandable that he is shocked since frost was a well known “hero” but judging from his interactions with other characters like vegeta, you can tell he is just a naive follower with not much confidence when he is introduced into the series. He probably just believed the first person who ever told him all this justice for peace crap. Think of jiren for example, he is the *strongest of the PRIDE troopers* but is willing to attack the bystanders not because his universe is at risk, but because his ego was hurt. In terms of solid facts, we still know nothing other then them being hired to fight and stop wars, which doesn’t mean they’re good people. They do end wars, but if works like anything in real life then they help whoever paid them to stop it or share their opinons on how the universe should be. Even if that side has bad intentions. The source of their power must be their hopefully more stable mindset when you go by the S-cells explanation if your ok with that. You could also go the longer route and say they have a higher diversity of genes because large populations of saiyans are causing a faster evolution in their species. But for now we can only speculate because we just don’t know anything for sure yet
I don't care if they never discovered SSJ they're already as teenagers, stronger than Goku and Vegeta were in their 20s, 30s and 40s. I think that's a pretty good trade of for SSJ.
@Andre Ricardo Bryant Or they just didn't put enough time training in their base power & had to rely on multipliers to either keep up or surpass their opponents? 🤔
@@frgrangel If you go strictly by the manga. Gohan and Vegeta just get SSJ too. I think SSJ can be achieved much easier if you know it exists and see the transformation.
The broly movie explained it I like to call it the Freeza Factor. Freeza made the Saiyan's overconfident and lazy because they were under his command, like one Saiyan said to Bardock "ever since freeza took over sayians don't want to help each other out any more" heck look at Vegeta in the beginning only caring about rank status as an elite soldier thinking he was untouchable. Basically the Saiyan's of universe 7 would've probably ended up like the Saiyan's of universe 6 if it wasn't for Freeza holding them back
@@mmayes237 That doesnt work. For one thing if that were the reason then King Vegeta or someone should have been more than strong enough to pimp slap Freeza.
Imagine what would have happened if universe 6 was the one where the original Super Saiyan God lost and in universe 7 the original Super Saiyan God had won?
The Symbiote Nation. Well I mean considering that caulifla, who is just a brawler and hasn’t really trained much, was as strong in base as cabba who during the the universe 6 tournament had an equal base form to vegeta would mean that all of the universe 7 Saiyans would have been able destroy of all dragon ball z enemies with ease since vegeta’s base surpasses everyone in Z. That would be withou training if they DID train on top of that and even attained god ki I would say for sure that goku and vegetas powers alone would surpass jirens and brolys for sure
BvmR2SGVNG Shadow in the universe 6 saga yes it was vegeta stated that cabbas base was equal to his it’s just vegetas super saiyan is more powerful than cabbas because he has grade 4 while cabba is grade 1. In the ToP however I agree vegetas base is much stronger than cabbas
@@flameagar8995 grade 4 is the same than grade 1 but just ki control and wow if cabba kale and caulifla really have a base similar to vegeta and goku who train for years and fighting these threat 1+ reason for hate super i mean srsly base vegeta and goku is way stronger than Buuhan now
They’re not weak, though. Cabba during the universe 6 saga was stated to be at the same base power as Vegeta at that time. Vegeta said that himself, so I think that’s a fairly accurate statement. That power is NOTHING to scoff at. They aren’t weak, they just haven’t discovered super saiyan.
Universe 6 Saiyans seemed like a peaceful race although they use their strength to fight for good as Cabba said. That may be the reason why they are weaker than the Universe 7 Saiyans who have thrived on constant battle and training.
Probably Vegeta did not expect Cabba being able to surprise him with his natural strength despite looking like a bean pole. Even then, Universe 6 Saiyans are not as battle hungry and training junky as Universe 7 Saiyans.
@@secoTheSonicFan yeah but they also aren't gods. Both Goku and Vegeta have went through insane training. The fact that califla and kale were able to keep up with any form of Goku should be insane.
@@secoTheSonicFan Didn't Goku and Vegeta both train after the universe 6 tournament? Its not that surprising they'd be stronger in their base form by then
@@victorm.6760 not just train, help the weakner members of their team to train and got fights like Ultimate Gohan vs Kaioken Blue. And even there Goku was amazed that he'd forgotten how powerful Gohan was in that form. Meanwhile in Universe 7, Saiyan saga Vegeta was near the top of power for them before the death of their race. Universe 6 was horrifically more powerful as a race. So much so that Universe 7 Saiyans that had been through fighting some of the greatest threats their universe had ever seen, were matching up about even with kids that were just born strong in U6. I don't get how people forget, Goku and Vegeta are outliers for U7 in terms of strength, Cabba and Califla, not so much for U6 so much as we know. Kale too is an outlier, but we don't know if that is in terms of her natural power or what her Legendary form offers, because we didn't get much of a feel for how powerful she was before she gained the form. If we want a comparison for strength between the two races it would be Goten and Trunks who were born closer in scope probably to U6 in power, but they're hybrids.
Olyn Bass When considering their universes are almost complete opposites and the fact that it’s a fictional world where anything can happen, it’s possible that humans came from the destroyed earth instead of the vice versa and... well *intermingled* their regions with some saiyans creating tail-less hybrids who are extremely capable. But that would destroy the idea of having more saiyans and more specifically pure blooded ones. I had the same idea when they first showed up, but now I am starting to think they just wont do that
I loved the development of the U6 saiyans...mostly. The tingly back thing was kinda lame, but everything else about them was pretty cool. They are still somewhat savage, even though they're not inherantly evil like the U7 saiyans, and they are still a race of warriors with lots of hidden potential. I hope we get a story where Vegeta keeps his promise and goes to visit Cabba and meet the U6 saiyan king.
There’s one huge point that last being missed. The universe 6 sayajins, probably in their mid teens are much younger than Goku and Vegeta. Goku/Vegeta were much older when they achieved super. Granted Gohan was younger when he did it. But doesn’t mean the universe 6 sayajins are weaker . Put Kelfa against Gogeta from the bui arch. Kelfa wins hands down.
Great Video! Well spoken and lots of thought put into this. Definitely refreshing hearing complete Sentences and no filler words like "Uh'' or "Um". Universe 6 has the potential to transform an Entire Planet into Super Sayins! which is insane to think about but awesome
No he really didn't explain much of anything. If anything his logic is completely wrong because from everything I've seen the universe 6 saiyans are actually much stronger. In their base forms they were somewhat comparable to Goku and Vegeta. Who have both had dramatically more intense training and countless more life or death battles in their years. Not to mention the universe 6 saiyans are much younger and were each able to grasp and achieve ssj levels with close to no training.
TommyV_OG yes, you did. They are weaker because their culture didn't revere power like the universe 7 saiyans did, which is why they came into the ToP far weaker than the U7 saiyans.
@@charleswashington3973 But in terms of biology (S-cells), U6 sayians are still stronger. But U7 sayians, tho weaker, had the drive and culture to seek greater hights. I think Caulifla is a rare exeption to U6 sayians Edit: I may have said what you just said xD
I thought that was the point of broly in the first place? He's supposed to be a variation of non-canon broly and so he should've inherited the title of the original super Saiyan of legend right?
At least, Cabba and Kale were able to access to their respective Super Saiyan forms when they get angry like Vegeta threatening Cabba and Kale got upset at the intended insults or Goku talking to Caulifla. As for Caulifla, she just got her Super Saiyan form by simply feeling "tingling on her back" instead of getting enraged enough. Even then, I was expecting Caulifla to get mad when facing opponents far above her weight class and she needed to get stronger than them in the Tournament of Power.
I don’t have issue with the U6 Saiyans but I feel like Caulifa should have at least attained a sort of lower-grade Super Saiyan instead of straight to 2 Cabba earned his form thanks to Vegeta and Kale is the Broly of U6, so her potential is almost unlimited. But Caluifa is honestly my least favourite out of them not just because of her straight jumping to SSJ2 but also because her personality isn’t that unique, just the brash-headstrong and ‘I can do that too’ person
I think Caulifla, being a gang(?) leader and having to be responsible for a large group that she has personal investment in, she's much less prone to bursts of anger, even if she has poor foresight. I think she just can't get angry enough for Super Saiyan, OR... It comes from the feeling of protection.
She’s the Goku equivalent, being outmatched isn’t going to drive her to rage the way it would another. And to be fair, she did try the lower grade bulky Trunks form before Goku set her straight.
I think it fits perfectly to be honest. You've got Cabba that literally trained his ass off and was able to go Super Sayain through Universe 7's methods and you've got Kale who is literally a genetic freak that was able to unlock it with a combination of anger and the feeling Cabba described. Caulifla on the other hand is a prodigy, she's strong because she can adapt to anything without really trying, so when someone like Cabba shows off his Super Sayain and is then told how it feels to unlock it, it's easy. Its less of a "oh she can just go Super Sayain" and more of situation where she understands the basics of it without having to be told over and over.
What if the Saiyans migrated from one universe to another? What if Yamoshi, realizing that he was going to lose, told his followers and friends to flee and they ended up in Universe 6?
Since they aren’t pirates and never had to deal with someone like King Cold or Frieza. U6 Saiyans evolved into a less savage and more organized and kind hearted society. Because of this they never needed tails or Ozaru and they never had a ranking system. There basically Warriors for hire. The back tingling is still stupid. It would have been better if similar to how U7 Saiyan Elites could control Ozaru. Only the U6 strongest Saiyans can properly control SS and onward without loosing control (Kale being the exception since she’s the Saiyan of Legend in U6). Like have Cabba and Caulifla go SS during the T.O.P but once they do they have no control (like Goku and Gohan when they went Ozaru).
Honestly i am glad we have the U6 Saiyans around and we have movies like DB Super Broly to help illuminate some of the parts of the history for the Saiyans. It is super interesting to me also i have to say i really love this idea Masako that the U6 saiyans are the ones who took the help of Yamoshi sorry if i misspelled that but it is just so interesting to me. :D
I wonder how one could trick Nappa into that mindset. He seems just into destruction and not care about much else. But I think it is important to determine that Nappa could be Super Saiyan. I mean, it would just be a shame if not, and he definitely is a tough dude. But I think as time passes, he would automatically be given that bonus...
I mean Vegeta wasn't a good guy after Frieza Saga, he fully changed in Buu Saga and he still unlocked Super Sayian by simply training his ass off and getting angry.
Universe 7 Saiyan’s have lived dangerous lives fuelled by emotion that has resented with Vegeta and Broly. Goku has lived among humans and as such is one which is why he became a super saiyan first for his emotional control. Universe 6 have been in peace with little conflict amongst themselves, it wasn’t until Vegeta pushed Cabba emotionally that he was able to break his limit… and then Toyatoro ruins it with tingly back!
How about this for a what if?: What if in the Goku Black Arc, Goku used Instant Transmission to get Future King Kai's wisdom and encountered his counterpart and his counterpart's friends and allies?
Well. Canonically, has any Saiyan turned super WHILE possessing a tail? Or without caring about a person? My old theory about SSJ transformation was that, since it was said that the tail acts as a battery for ki, lacking a tail means the rest of the body's cells have to take up the slack, which causes an epigenetic change enabling SSJ transformation.
It could just be an alternate history version of our earth where a nuclear war in the 20th century ended all life. After all, they did say it was a *war* that caused it.
@@dakotagau oh, guess I missed that part... But it could've been a war before humans were a thing in universe 6, like say the dinosaurs had a war and destroyed their earth a beerus withing it back helped humans come into existence in u6
@@romanminaster5180 As far as I know Champa doesn't sleep as much as Beerus so waiting will be much longer, I mean if you're sleeping for years, wake up, blow a copule of planets up, meet with Supreme Kais and go to sleep again waiting is much easier.
Going to throw this out there before I watch the video proper: Contrast the Police vs the Marines. Which one is more apt at combat? Which one is more likely to see combat? Now, take that analogy and apply it to the Saiyans of Universe 6 and Universe 7, respectively. Universe 6 Saiyans primarily act as a peacekeeping force, much like the Police. However, Universe 7 Saiyans were militaristic and battle hardened, much like the Marines. Without the zenkai boosts gained from routine combat, Universe 6 Saiyans would obviously fall behind, and likely never had the impetus to TURN Super Saiyan, in the first place.
Wasnt there a tidbit that said sayains raise in peace were more capable of achieving super sayain explaining the reason goten and trunks were able to achieve it so early same with gohan compared to goku and vegeta
Unpopular Opinion: *Universe 6 Saiyans turning Super Saiyan that easily is good* I know people hated how Caulifla just transformed cuz of the "tingly feeling in the back", but what if that's really the point? We see -a stick- Cabba going SSJ in just a few minutes. And we see how skinny U6 saiyans are compared to the Saiyans we know and love. What if going SSJ is really just that easy for them? After all, they are from a different universe. Different universes, different rules.
The way I see it is that they can access the forms much easier because they aren't as pure as the U7 Saiyans but as a result they cant properly control the forms and can't use them to their full potential.
well after Califlua ask Goku about the tingly feeling(when talking about ssj2) Goku acknowledged that as factor. I think the universe 7 saiyans never really thought about it like that, because Goku discovered it when he was pissed . Also you need enough S cells and enough power as a base. I don't think the Universe 6 Saiyans a have never been furious enough or knew the feeling enough to do it.
I dont find it weird that they were able to achieve super saiyan so fast. they had refference... from "our" saiyans, they had examples and they felt them first hand. they even got some tips. U7 saiyans on the other hand lived a life of oppression , either from their king or from frieza. they were enslaved and went through a genocide. The only refference our saiyans had was a myth... that somehow somewhere ages ago a super saiyan existed.
Well I'm pretty sure that Akira Toriyama actually responded to that saying the reason that they could turn Super Saiyan so early on was because their fathers already had the Super Saiyan transformations in their genes when they were conceived.
You know, it always confused me on why people say that ssj was ruined by the U6 saiyans discovering how to access the form by having a “tingly feeling in their back” I mean ssj has already become a pretty generic transformation for saiyans to go through, and I think that it lost its prestige once Goten and Trunks were able to turn ssj without any painful moment causing them to get it in a time of need. I mean it’s not like they were getting the ssj 3 or something, I mean jeez 😒
Sonic but I mean it was simply a different avenue in getting the form, it didn’t discount the idea that anger was still not a viable method of getting ssj...
@@secoTheSonicFan Goten and Trunks were also explained very well S cells it made sense they were the children of super saiyan so it was easier for them
What do you think of PlagueOfGripes "Gohan's Many Masks" video??? I think it was really interesting. Along with his other dragon ball videos Japan Hates Tien, Power levels video and U6 saiyans video (specifically kale and caulifla)
At face value I chopped it up to the lack of tales as the main cause. Then cabba mentioning that the original sayian world wasn't distroid. So it's possible that sayain civil war never happend or of it did it ended with a less violent/war hungry clan winning. So if this was the case for U6 there people would not have the need evolve the pronounced sayain combat traits we see in U7 ( tails, Ozaro, and zenki). And while they had the potential for ss there was likely never a situation that pushed u6 sayian into triggering the change. At least not often enough it would be well known about.
Do u think if ssj4 and 5 were cannon could the U6 sayins do it. I don’t think they can cause they evolved away their tails since the transformation is mostly primal. So the limit is technically ssj3 for u6 saiyan, so then u7 saiyan are stronger since they have more transformations? Also do u think the u6 sayin only reason they’re stronger is caused they survived? Since when goku is was a kid, Freiza destroyed every one of them except the ones right now, so in theory does that mean if the sayin race survived and made it would they be stronger or no?
This whole discussion just mskes me want to see a REAL Cumber arc. One where he is ashamed of what his descendants have become and vows to purge the race traitors by any means necessary. Because at this point Vegeta is even more of an outsider to the old Saiyan society than Goku: loving his family, training and fighting with low class as equals, defending earth, doing the "right" thing even if he doesn't want to because it's right. Hell he and new Bardock probably would understand each other pretty well. It also makes sense that the "gentle" U6 would have an easier time transforming. Without tails, the source of Saiyan savagery, U6 saiyans have many more S Cells on average.
It seems like they're giving this idea to Giblet in Dragonball Legends since in that game's story, Giblet resents the modern saiyans (blood of the tainted) and is actively seeking to destroy them. Also makes sense why he was angered when he saw Goku go SSG
@@SSfan109 I hope the Legends story actually goes and finishes in a unique and new way, especially since we've been following it for what almost two years now? It's got the best potential tbh
My head canon is that U6 saiyans are Hybrid whit humans/Turbles. So they would have more or less Gohan potential and after a few generation no tail,like Goten and even more Potential. It would also explain how Cabba is so strong.
Of course, the Oozaru power became something else in the hands of Broly and was far more intense than any other Saiyan Transformation prior. Given that it enabled Broly to compete with and overpower the SSG forms of Goku and Vegeta. As well as contest with SSB. This Primal power is perhaps where the tale of the Legendary Super Saiyan began originally. As one who could utilize the power of the Oozaru while maintaining their original appearance. Or it could be that the form more closely resembled the SS4 appearance from GT, but Broly's lack of a tail prevented it from going that far.
Universe 6 Saiyans probably have more S-Cells thanks to their more peaceful lifestyle. Allowing them to transform much easier than their U7 counterparts.
U6 Saiyans are weaker because they have no experience or training thanks to their peaceful lifestyle without warfare. It makes them weak and complacent.
Cumber is the heights the Saiyans once attained. As Kreia might say to Goku and Vegeta, "were you to face an ancient Saiyan in battle, you would find that you are as children in a playground spat compared to the prowess of your ancestors."
Well cabba was swapping hands in base with a vegeta who went through god ki training. And he's not exactly stated to be an elite fighter. It's more than likely the opportunity never came up for a universe six Saiyan because of their higher strength in base.
@@yullalalo3298 even if he was do you think a Saiyan of a 2-3 thousand power level could even touch him. Because that was an above average power level for a universe seven saiyan. Vegeta wasn't fighting seriously but he wasn't suppressing himself to the point that cabba isn't comparable in base.
My guess is that all these different universes are different tropes or genres . U6 represents modern anime , where many protagonists are slim and not buff. Just like U2 represents the "magical girl" trope ,U11 being a Sentai /superhero trope,or U9 is antihero or post-apocalyptic .
U7 Saiyans probably relied on their physical power a lot more than U6. U6 saiyans probably have a very high level of ki control that allows them to enhance their bodies.
I hope that when we see planet Sadala, it has large sections of its surface covered by jungles with lots of vegetation to play off the vegetable theme of the Saiyans.
Hey masako I'm a big fan I have a what if Idea it's what if the saying hybrids(gohan, goten, trunks etc) had the same love and passion for battle and training as their parents
This was about true Power Instinct vs Ego Awareness/Discipline vs Narrow-mindedness/Hunger Unity vs Classism Progress vs Insanity Doubt and Complacency vs Belief and Imagination This was a very good analysis on how you can squander your own progress with unchecked Ego. Goku was only able to go SSJ when he trained himself to be in control of his spirit, body and mind. Hence why Capt Ginyu couldnt even use his power... To overxome his natural instinct and lust for battle, destroy to trade his selfish desire to beat Frieza and instead keep Frieza from taking any more life. Kt was made clear Frieza was not going to stop...and he wouldnt have transcended tp a God if it werent for the help of OTHER SUPER SAIYAINS that bestowed him with that power..basically You have to provoke high emotion... Commit to crazy disciplined training of self pushing beyond your limits while keeping Ki, Spirit, Mind, Emotions and Body in Sync (like Sage Chakra) Pour everyrhing into it for a sigular Goal and then control it... "..power comes in response to a need, not a desire, you must create that need (leave yourself no choice but to sink or swim). Believe in yourself all the way" To ascend, you cant just raise your "power level"...you have to "..let go Gohan" of all your inhibitions..there is No other way.. (like opening your chakras) To Focus, but also allow the universe to flow through you...
I think the reason why no Pre-dragon ball saiyans achieved super saiyan for so long is because of their culture. They are cold blooded warriors, but the super saiyan transformation requires an emotional trigger. Being raised on earth, goku was more emotional than his saiyan predescessors.
It seems odd that Universe 6 Saiyans were able to access Super Saiyan quite easily when it took training, hard work and effort, and a bit of traumatized awakening for Universe 7 Saiyans to unlock Super Saiyan. Then again, Goten and Present Trunks were able to access Super Saiyan as kids and there may be something that can rationally explain why the Universe 6 Saiyans were able to go Super Saiyan with no effort in their first time.
It still doesn't make sense why U6 Saiyans were able to access SSJ when they did not train or experience traumatic superpower awakening due to being naturally stronger in base form. At least Goten and present Trunks had the excuse of training which unlocked their SSJ forms as kids.
So... In Universe 7, Yamoshi the Super Saiyan God lost to the Legendary Super Saiyan of old, which caused the Universe 7 Saiyans to revere the normal Super Saiyan form and forget about God. In Universe 6 however, their Yamoshi equivalent was victorious over the Legendary Super Saiyan and the form was demonised (literally) into "Demonic Super Saiyan" (which is what they call Kale's form in the Manga), which is why they were scared of her form.
Vegeta makes mention of the Legendary Super Saiyan form in the dub when Kale transforms, and that line always confused me. Is the Legendary Super Saiyan the golden-haired Super Saiyan form that Goku achieved, Vegeta copied, and Gohan, Goten and Trunks all just sort of inhereted, is it the later Super Saiyan God form requiring rituals until Vegeta sort of just YOLOs his way to it, or is it the berserk form Broly and Kale unlock for... reasons? Do the legends of the Super Saiyan power consist of multiple stories that speak of all of these forms, with the defining characteristics of each transformation lost to time as the stories are told, retold and mistold? Do all of these transformations stem from the same accumulation of power? Let's be honest, it's all just marketting and merchandising, with a showrunner that has a habit of making everything up as he goes along, rather than making any longterm plans for the series.
@@MasakoX I always played idea that humans should have gotten their own transformation. Or at least learning the kaioken with them being the ones to master and perfect it where goku couldn't Since humans are crafty and always creating new techniques or improving old ones, I always thought that been something they would been able to do. Hell even got some fanart of videl performing it and even attained a transformation through it somehow. But does seem saiyans always be unlocking new transformations and leaving everyone even further behind.
You must actually be joking. 3 random universe 6 saiyans have access to ssj2, and they are just kids/teens. They are much stronger than goten and trunks. Universe 7 saiyans (before they were destroyed) had power levels in the low thousands - nappa had a power level of 4,000 and he was considered a saiyan elite
Universe 6 saiyans seems to be more advanced. Even they just discovered the transformation, but they managed to get to ssj 2 in a real short time period.
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Hey Masako I just want to say that you are one of the best what if makers on UA-cam
@@florjanhysa5553 he is realy good in making these What if's.
@@florjanhysa5553 Thank you, Flori. I do my best for you all.
MasaxoX I just want to say you were one of the inspirations Helping me make what ifs Your The best
@@leseratte3546 yeah I really like the fact he doesn't overpower the characters
Wait, Universe 7 Earth has living dinosaurs, sentient animal people, access to the underworld, technology that allows you to carry any nonliving thing in your pocket, human like androids, and over-the-top martial arts tournaments featuring inhuman feats performed by people of every nation and nationality (just to name some of the features of that Earth). Meanwhile Universe 6 Earth...destroyed itself.
...Are WE in Universe 6?
Pretty sure that was the joke.
U7 Earth doesn't seem to have formal countries either. There is a world military (though there is a monarch) that exists to go to war with things that threaten the planet but everywhere is either rural or random towns and cities. I might be mistaken but I can't remember a country, real or fictional, ever being referenced in Dragon Ball. There is also a common language across the world.
There are obviously different ethnicities - you see black people, white people with blond(e) hair and blue eyes, East Asian people (Chi Chi), etc.
I doubt they were making a point, but a world without countries would have way fewer wars, in real life, lots of wars are/were down to nationalism and different countries competing over their (perceived) interests, taking land, etc.. Less chance of the world being destroyed in a nuclear exchange.
U6 earth probably has countries.
About the tech - futuristic unrealistic stuff mixed with anachronisms from the real world that 'ages' the older series.
Things like landline phones and old school mobile phones that were still commonplace in the 1990s, etc, that were in GT (Goten was always talking to some woman on one), but Super (set before GT) has everyone using smartphones. Same with stuff like TV and computer designs.
Masako: "Super Saiyan isn't something that you could master over a couple of days..."
Goten and Trunks: "Wanna beat?"
SSJ3 Gotenks: "I'll get a piece of that action!"
Didn't they use the time chamber to train though? What was a couple of days for us was like a few hundred for them right?
Trunks did. Goten did fighting chi-chi
@@tonysmith9905 Neither of them used the time chamber. They only used the time chamber to train as Gotenks, not to achieve super saiyan in the first place. Goten trained with Chichi, but it was shown that he ALREADY knew super saiyan even before.
King Vegeta would never would have given the secret to his people. He wanted to have complete control and giving the secret to anyone is dumb. He was threatened by broly after all.
@Gordon Freeman King Vegeta would just want him and his son Prince Vegeta be the Super Saiyans around
@Gordon Freeman hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
@Gordon Freeman Krillin: "SENZU BEAN!"
@Gordon Freeman Not really. XD Like that selfishness *would* have eventually come back to bite them but they're extinct because Frieza blew them up.
@Gordon Freeman you watch too much fanfics
HOW MANY PUSH UPS?! HOW MANY PULL UPS?! WHAT KIND OF JUICE DID HE DRINK?!
You're not dealing with the average saiyan warrior anymore
@@TwistedThorn99 have we been here before? I feel like we’ve been here before.
@@Noahswrlds-NO1-Fan tfs broly movie lol
OH MY GOD HES SO GOD DAMN COOL
Masako here hitting some facts. I would love to see more diverse Saiyans in the future
so the fanbse can be mad they are strong???
Shallot?
I am VERY glad the Universe 6 Saiyans are a thing. They added a nice new element to the race. Young warriors realising their potential through their Universal counterparts is a cool idea. I'm still waiting to see if Kale meets Broly. That interaction would be nice.
This topic is weird. U6 Saiyan's as a whole are stronger than U7.
The only U7 Saiyans that are stronger is the small handful of survivors in the main cast, they were relatively weak & progressed with intense training. Think how in U7 Nappa is considered an elite but is infinitely weaker than Cabba in base.
Caulifla, Cabba & Kale are almost as strong as Goku/Vegeta in base form. The only edge U7 gets is through transformations.
So if U6 unlocks these forms (which they seem to progress fairly quickly) they are on the level of the strongest Saiyans ever.
We don't know for sure till we see a Sadala arc either way.
Exactly what you said.
I know right? Just because they didn't discover SSJ? Like they need it if they're this strong as teenagers. Though maybe they would have been better excepted in the fandom, if they were adults.
@@jackthegreek6092 U6 Saiyans represent the generic looking anime protagonists who are stronger than they looked these days.
@@timoylumontad3920 so... like chubby kid Goku from back in the day?
I think the good Saiyans of Universe 6 are very similar to the hybrid Saiyans of Universe 7.
Maybe being good boys and girls just makes Saiyans stronger lol
I hate Caulifla the most, she's a prodigy but literally everyone is at this point, so meh.
Kale got around her insecurities so that's nice and since she's essentially Broly, her strength makes sense.
Cabba's a good boi but it's still nonsense that he matched Vegeta (Vegeta MUST have been suppressed).
And I really love Kefla because it shows they needed Potara to match Goku.
All of their base power is still a massive asspull tho.
I guess you could call it a...
Super Saiyan bargain sale?
Vegeta was 100% suppressed vs Cabba. Once Cabba got SSJ, Vegeta tanked his attacks without much issue.
In the manga, their base powers make more sense. The U6 Saiyans as a race are a galactic police force that deals with strong criminals, so their ace being a bit under the level of base form Buu Saga Saiyans makes sense. It’s in the anime where their base powers make no sense, being about equal to the God powered base forms of Vegeta and Goku.
Wait you like that Kefla needed potara to destroy SSJ God Goku? Even that seems like an asspull to me.
@@mazokuwolf1279 yeah it's an asspull but Potara's better than new transformations or ridiculous base boosts
Imagine if they had individually rivalled divine levels (hell no😁)
Well Vados had an entire planet full of saiyans to choose from and she choosed only 3, those 3 then must be really sth special!
Ssj3 nappa is not real, he can’t hurt you!
Ssj3 Nappa:
SSJ3 Nappa: "Hey Vegeta! I have hair now."
I still prefer the long mustache Ssj3 Nappa.
Is ssj3 ghost Nappa a thing? I'll buy an army of plushies.
@YUME The Mighty Guy When someone smacks Vegeta: "Ow! My Pride!"
Universe 6 saiyans are actually very strong compared to most universe 7 saiyans. Goku Vegeta and their families were not the normal. Most saiyan were in between raditz and knappa
There's only 3 full blooded Saiyans In univ 7 so your opinion isn't valid since there is no longer a planet full of univ 7 Saiyans only 3 are left n they alone will dookie on the entirety of univ 6 saiyans
@@eliseoreyes185810,000 was considered the highest power level. Prince Vegeta was considered a once in a lifetime prodigy and his power level was 18,000 in the Saiyan saga. Whereas Cabba alone in base form will exterminate planet Vegeta.
@@Gohan9112 cuz anyone above him or anyone in their family was exciled
Broly proved the Uzaru aren't useless, at least when contained to a smaller body
*cough cough* supersaiyanfour *cough*
@@SkippertheBart true but broly movie is more fresh in my memory than old ass GT
@@NeroThacher
Fair enough.
Broly should get ssj4 as an exclusive form
@@lord_destros2188
The version in heroes looked utterly monstrous. He wore it better than any of the other saiyans, I think. But if you were talking about the sleeker, understated version from Super, then yeah, I still agree. It needs to be his.
Due to the peaceful nature of the Universe 6 Saiyans, they may be stronger than they looked in base form and able to have access Super Saiyan forms but ultimately, they lack the training, experience and refinement like the Universe 7 Saiyans have done and been through.
It makes sense due to the Tournament of Power and there was not enough time for Cabba, Caulifla and Kale to train and get used to SSJ properly which they have to do immediate "sink or swim" crash course on how to handle their Super Saiyan forms ASAP in the middle of combat between all teams fighting for the survival of their Universes.
Yep that seems about right. Though I wouldn't say its their nature, because remember U6 Saiyans are basically their universe's Pride Troopers. Cabba even says to Vegeta that they're a race that fights for good in the universe. Its just that the threats they ran into aren't of the scope that Goku and Vegeta regularly deal with or if they are, they never worsen to the point that they do in U7 because of lets call it "lack of manpower" (Vegeta's Pride).
That is true. The U6 Saiyans were able to handle threats and opponents that threaten their universe with enough manpower both in quality and quantity.
@@LupineShadowOmega That's fair, they would kinda be the Pride Troopers/Galactic Patrolmen
LupineShadowOmega
I agree with you, but just because cabba says that they fight for the greater good doesn’t always mean it’s true. No one is naturally peaceful or naturally evil. This is the guy who had his mind blown when frost was revealed to be a fraud. It’s understandable that he is shocked since frost was a well known “hero” but judging from his interactions with other characters like vegeta, you can tell he is just a naive follower with not much confidence when he is introduced into the series. He probably just believed the first person who ever told him all this justice for peace crap. Think of jiren for example, he is the *strongest of the PRIDE troopers* but is willing to attack the bystanders not because his universe is at risk, but because his ego was hurt.
In terms of solid facts, we still know nothing other then them being hired to fight and stop wars, which doesn’t mean they’re good people. They do end wars, but if works like anything in real life then they help whoever paid them to stop it or share their opinons on how the universe should be. Even if that side has bad intentions. The source of their power must be their hopefully more stable mindset when you go by the S-cells explanation if your ok with that. You could also go the longer route and say they have a higher diversity of genes because large populations of saiyans are causing a faster evolution in their species.
But for now we can only speculate because we just don’t know anything for sure yet
I don't care if they never discovered SSJ they're already as teenagers, stronger than Goku and Vegeta were in their 20s, 30s and 40s. I think that's a pretty good trade of for SSJ.
@Andre Ricardo Bryant Or they just didn't put enough time training in their base power & had to rely on multipliers to either keep up or surpass their opponents? 🤔
@@secoTheSonicFan or just, you know... tell them to tingle their backs
@@frgrangel If you go strictly by the manga. Gohan and Vegeta just get SSJ too. I think SSJ can be achieved much easier if you know it exists and see the transformation.
The broly movie explained it I like to call it the Freeza Factor. Freeza made the Saiyan's overconfident and lazy because they were under his command, like one Saiyan said to Bardock "ever since freeza took over sayians don't want to help each other out any more" heck look at Vegeta in the beginning only caring about rank status as an elite soldier thinking he was untouchable. Basically the Saiyan's of universe 7 would've probably ended up like the Saiyan's of universe 6 if it wasn't for Freeza holding them back
@@mmayes237 That doesnt work. For one thing if that were the reason then King Vegeta or someone should have been more than strong enough to pimp slap Freeza.
Imagine what would have happened if universe 6 was the one where the original Super Saiyan God lost and in universe 7 the original Super Saiyan God had won?
The Symbiote Nation. Well I mean considering that caulifla, who is just a brawler and hasn’t really trained much, was as strong in base as cabba who during the the universe 6 tournament had an equal base form to vegeta would mean that all of the universe 7 Saiyans would have been able destroy of all dragon ball z enemies with ease since vegeta’s base surpasses everyone in Z. That would be withou training if they DID train on top of that and even attained god ki I would say for sure that goku and vegetas powers alone would surpass jirens and brolys for sure
@@flameagar8995 so even more asspulls, or Universe 6 becomes the main Db universe
@@flameagar8995 cabba base wasnt the same as vegeta he was suppressing his power.
BvmR2SGVNG Shadow in the universe 6 saga yes it was vegeta stated that cabbas base was equal to his it’s just vegetas super saiyan is more powerful than cabbas because he has grade 4 while cabba is grade 1. In the ToP however I agree vegetas base is much stronger than cabbas
@@flameagar8995 grade 4 is the same than grade 1 but just ki control and wow if cabba kale and caulifla really have a base similar to vegeta and goku who train for years and fighting these threat 1+ reason for hate super i mean srsly base vegeta and goku is way stronger than Buuhan now
They’re not weak, though. Cabba during the universe 6 saga was stated to be at the same base power as Vegeta at that time. Vegeta said that himself, so I think that’s a fairly accurate statement. That power is NOTHING to scoff at. They aren’t weak, they just haven’t discovered super saiyan.
I never understood why people complain about characters that are probably stronger than Kid Buu in their base forms unlocking SSJ easily.
The long & short of it Is they feel cheap like it's a second hand item.
Universe 6 Saiyans seemed like a peaceful race although they use their strength to fight for good as Cabba said.
That may be the reason why they are weaker than the Universe 7 Saiyans who have thrived on constant battle and training.
Probably Vegeta did not expect Cabba being able to surprise him with his natural strength despite looking like a bean pole.
Even then, Universe 6 Saiyans are not as battle hungry and training junky as Universe 7 Saiyans.
@@secoTheSonicFan yeah but they also aren't gods. Both Goku and Vegeta have went through insane training. The fact that califla and kale were able to keep up with any form of Goku should be insane.
In fact Goku was going easy on Caulifla and Kale and is being their crash course mentor on how to get a hang with their Super Saiyan forms.
@@secoTheSonicFan Didn't Goku and Vegeta both train after the universe 6 tournament? Its not that surprising they'd be stronger in their base form by then
@@victorm.6760 not just train, help the weakner members of their team to train and got fights like Ultimate Gohan vs Kaioken Blue. And even there Goku was amazed that he'd forgotten how powerful Gohan was in that form. Meanwhile in Universe 7, Saiyan saga Vegeta was near the top of power for them before the death of their race.
Universe 6 was horrifically more powerful as a race. So much so that Universe 7 Saiyans that had been through fighting some of the greatest threats their universe had ever seen, were matching up about even with kids that were just born strong in U6. I don't get how people forget, Goku and Vegeta are outliers for U7 in terms of strength, Cabba and Califla, not so much for U6 so much as we know. Kale too is an outlier, but we don't know if that is in terms of her natural power or what her Legendary form offers, because we didn't get much of a feel for how powerful she was before she gained the form.
If we want a comparison for strength between the two races it would be Goten and Trunks who were born closer in scope probably to U6 in power, but they're hybrids.
Never mind. Bigger question: were the universe 6 saiyans possible hybrids?
Olyn Bass When considering their universes are almost complete opposites and the fact that it’s a fictional world where anything can happen, it’s possible that humans came from the destroyed earth instead of the vice versa and... well *intermingled* their regions with some saiyans creating tail-less hybrids who are extremely capable.
But that would destroy the idea of having more saiyans and more specifically pure blooded ones. I had the same idea when they first showed up, but now I am starting to think they just wont do that
Nope, if anything they seem like a "What if " for Universe 7 saiyans. What if the original SSG won and thus good hearted saiyans became the norm.
LupineShadowOmega either idea is fine. After all it’s just a theory that won’t really do anything except piss off vegeta
@@moistfist1054 I like this idea, that's clever.
@@moistfist1054 either that or universe 6 Saiyans have more potential than universe 7 saiyans
I loved the development of the U6 saiyans...mostly. The tingly back thing was kinda lame, but everything else about them was pretty cool. They are still somewhat savage, even though they're not inherantly evil like the U7 saiyans, and they are still a race of warriors with lots of hidden potential. I hope we get a story where Vegeta keeps his promise and goes to visit Cabba and meet the U6 saiyan king.
There’s one huge point that last being missed. The universe 6 sayajins, probably in their mid teens are much younger than Goku and Vegeta. Goku/Vegeta were much older when they achieved super. Granted Gohan was younger when he did it. But doesn’t mean the universe 6 sayajins are weaker . Put Kelfa against Gogeta from the bui arch. Kelfa wins hands down.
Yes, they would win in the bui ark
Great Video! Well spoken and lots of thought put into this. Definitely refreshing hearing complete Sentences and no filler words like "Uh'' or "Um".
Universe 6 has the potential to transform an Entire Planet into Super Sayins! which is insane to think about but awesome
i kinda imagine that frieza's death ball caused disturbance when towa wanted to take bardock away and this threw bardock back in time.
What Death Ball? I remember him using a Super Nova since a Death Ball is smaller and pure Black as we see in Xenoverse and XV2
Soooo.... did I miss the part where it’s explained why U6 Saiyans are “weaker”?
No he really didn't explain much of anything. If anything his logic is completely wrong because from everything I've seen the universe 6 saiyans are actually much stronger. In their base forms they were somewhat comparable to Goku and Vegeta. Who have both had dramatically more intense training and countless more life or death battles in their years. Not to mention the universe 6 saiyans are much younger and were each able to grasp and achieve ssj levels with close to no training.
@@swiftblaqness I mean, granted. I think he meant in terms of strength through training, not in biology.
TommyV_OG yes, you did. They are weaker because their culture didn't revere power like the universe 7 saiyans did, which is why they came into the ToP far weaker than the U7 saiyans.
Mr. Boomguy Exactly. The U6 Saiyan culture was not conducive to creating ultra powerful saiyans because they did not revere power. U7 saiyans do.
@@charleswashington3973 But in terms of biology (S-cells), U6 sayians are still stronger.
But U7 sayians, tho weaker, had the drive and culture to seek greater hights.
I think Caulifla is a rare exeption to U6 sayians
Edit: I may have said what you just said xD
people seem to forget when comparing saiyans is that for the tournament they grabbed the strongest saiyans from that universe
Really interesting discussion
I was thinking, what if Broly's Super Saiyan was the real Super Saiyan of Legend. Everyone we know of is a weaker form.
I thought that was the point of broly in the first place? He's supposed to be a variation of non-canon broly and so he should've inherited the title of the original super Saiyan of legend right?
Broly is the strongest Saiyan, stronger than Goku and Vegeta and kefla
Omg seeing ssj3 Nappa makes me wish so hard that nappa was alive and really had a modelling career.
At least, Cabba and Kale were able to access to their respective Super Saiyan forms when they get angry like Vegeta threatening Cabba and Kale got upset at the intended insults or Goku talking to Caulifla.
As for Caulifla, she just got her Super Saiyan form by simply feeling "tingling on her back" instead of getting enraged enough.
Even then, I was expecting Caulifla to get mad when facing opponents far above her weight class and she needed to get stronger than them in the Tournament of Power.
I don’t have issue with the U6 Saiyans but I feel like Caulifa should have at least attained a sort of lower-grade Super Saiyan instead of straight to 2
Cabba earned his form thanks to Vegeta and Kale is the Broly of U6, so her potential is almost unlimited. But Caluifa is honestly my least favourite out of them not just because of her straight jumping to SSJ2 but also because her personality isn’t that unique, just the brash-headstrong and ‘I can do that too’ person
I think Caulifla, being a gang(?) leader and having to be responsible for a large group that she has personal investment in, she's much less prone to bursts of anger, even if she has poor foresight. I think she just can't get angry enough for Super Saiyan, OR...
It comes from the feeling of protection.
She’s the Goku equivalent, being outmatched isn’t going to drive her to rage the way it would another. And to be fair, she did try the lower grade bulky Trunks form before Goku set her straight.
I think it fits perfectly to be honest. You've got Cabba that literally trained his ass off and was able to go Super Sayain through Universe 7's methods and you've got Kale who is literally a genetic freak that was able to unlock it with a combination of anger and the feeling Cabba described.
Caulifla on the other hand is a prodigy, she's strong because she can adapt to anything without really trying, so when someone like Cabba shows off his Super Sayain and is then told how it feels to unlock it, it's easy. Its less of a "oh she can just go Super Sayain" and more of situation where she understands the basics of it without having to be told over and over.
@@evanlight671 Cabba didn't even really earn it, all Vegeta said was "Yeah I'm totally going to destroy your planet after I'm done with you"
Honestly Universe 6 Saiyans were 1 of few things of Tournament of Power I liked it kind of makes me Wish That Frost was actually Good even more
What if the Saiyans migrated from one universe to another? What if Yamoshi, realizing that he was going to lose, told his followers and friends to flee and they ended up in Universe 6?
Vegeta: “You’re and interloper a Saiyan imposter and I’m the real thing...The all mighty PRINCE VEGETA!”
Broly: "What's a King to a God?"
Vegeta: and what’s a god? To a Non-Believer! *super saiyan*
@@ghostlyspace2015 Broly: *rekts Vegeta* "Do you believe now?"
Vegeta: "Uh huh... So cool..." *gets KOed*
@Ichigo Uzumaki King of Three and a Half-Saiyans.
Since they aren’t pirates and never had to deal with someone like King Cold or Frieza. U6 Saiyans evolved into a less savage and more organized and kind hearted society. Because of this they never needed tails or Ozaru and they never had a ranking system. There basically Warriors for hire. The back tingling is still stupid. It would have been better if similar to how U7 Saiyan Elites could control Ozaru. Only the U6 strongest Saiyans can properly control SS and onward without loosing control (Kale being the exception since she’s the Saiyan of Legend in U6). Like have Cabba and Caulifla go SS during the T.O.P but once they do they have no control (like Goku and Gohan when they went Ozaru).
Precisely. Evolution and Adaption of the Saiyans in a nutshell.
@@secoTheSonicFan ...ok
@@secoTheSonicFan .
Sonic Cabba does train. What the hell are you talking about? Everything you spouted sounded like a bad fanfiction.
WHY ARE THERE SO MANY SONIC PFPs ON ALL THE DBS VIDEOS I WATCH?!
“Those eyes are the same as...”
5:29 “pizzaaaaa...”
Honestly i am glad we have the U6 Saiyans around and we have movies like DB Super Broly to help illuminate some of the parts of the history for the Saiyans. It is super interesting to me also i have to say i really love this idea Masako that the U6 saiyans are the ones who took the help of Yamoshi sorry if i misspelled that but it is just so interesting to me. :D
Thank you for still putting out great content
I wonder how one could trick Nappa into that mindset. He seems just into destruction and not care about much else. But I think it is important to determine that Nappa could be Super Saiyan. I mean, it would just be a shame if not, and he definitely is a tough dude. But I think as time passes, he would automatically be given that bonus...
I mean we got the equivalent of a day with Nappa on earth, he really wasn't given a chance for any real growth
I mean Vegeta wasn't a good guy after Frieza Saga, he fully changed in Buu Saga and he still unlocked Super Sayian by simply training his ass off and getting angry.
Universe 7 Saiyan’s have lived dangerous lives fuelled by emotion that has resented with Vegeta and Broly. Goku has lived among humans and as such is one which is why he became a super saiyan first for his emotional control. Universe 6 have been in peace with little conflict amongst themselves, it wasn’t until Vegeta pushed Cabba emotionally that he was able to break his limit… and then Toyatoro ruins it with tingly back!
How about this for a what if?:
What if in the Goku Black Arc, Goku used Instant Transmission to get Future King Kai's wisdom and encountered his counterpart and his counterpart's friends and allies?
Smart
i always wondered why we didnt get any messages from otherworld like how they did in the end of the cell saga
what? I don't understand what the OP is talking about? king kai's wisdom? what would that do? his counterpart and friends? who?
Oooo
Napoleonic S he's talking about the kais giving him advice
This is a really interesting topic. It reminds me of your super saiyan hair color theory
That’s a good point, you making a good point about the U6 Saiyans
Potentially a whole planet of super saiyans!?.... Hmmm perhaps frieza did the universe a service.
Because they don't have tails?
There's more to it than that. In terms of tails, they have sort of evolved more than Universe 7 Saiyans, but there are flaws to that.
@@twilight8008 ...
Well. Canonically, has any Saiyan turned super WHILE possessing a tail? Or without caring about a person? My old theory about SSJ transformation was that, since it was said that the tail acts as a battery for ki, lacking a tail means the rest of the body's cells have to take up the slack, which causes an epigenetic change enabling SSJ transformation.
@@azofeclipse very interesting and definitely worth the thought
THEORY :
WE are universe 6s earth, just MILLIONS if not BILLIONS of years after Beerus wished it back.
I'm up for discussion
If that's the case what a waste of a perfectly good wish
It could just be an alternate history version of our earth where a nuclear war in the 20th century ended all life. After all, they did say it was a *war* that caused it.
@@dakotagau oh, guess I missed that part...
But it could've been a war before humans were a thing in universe 6, like say the dinosaurs had a war and destroyed their earth a beerus withing it back helped humans come into existence in u6
@matt rascon well, champa might wipe out the dinosaurs in U6 and wait patiently while humanity becomes as advanced with food as U7
@@romanminaster5180 As far as I know Champa doesn't sleep as much as Beerus so waiting will be much longer, I mean if you're sleeping for years, wake up, blow a copule of planets up, meet with Supreme Kais and go to sleep again waiting is much easier.
Very interesting! I like this idea.
Going to throw this out there before I watch the video proper:
Contrast the Police vs the Marines. Which one is more apt at combat? Which one is more likely to see combat? Now, take that analogy and apply it to the Saiyans of Universe 6 and Universe 7, respectively. Universe 6 Saiyans primarily act as a peacekeeping force, much like the Police. However, Universe 7 Saiyans were militaristic and battle hardened, much like the Marines. Without the zenkai boosts gained from routine combat, Universe 6 Saiyans would obviously fall behind, and likely never had the impetus to TURN Super Saiyan, in the first place.
Wasnt there a tidbit that said sayains raise in peace were more capable of achieving super sayain explaining the reason goten and trunks were able to achieve it so early same with gohan compared to goku and vegeta
pixelman619 yeah Super Saiyan Cells
Unpopular Opinion:
*Universe 6 Saiyans turning Super Saiyan that easily is good*
I know people hated how Caulifla just transformed cuz of the "tingly feeling in the back", but what if that's really the point? We see -a stick- Cabba going SSJ in just a few minutes. And we see how skinny U6 saiyans are compared to the Saiyans we know and love. What if going SSJ is really just that easy for them? After all, they are from a different universe. Different universes, different rules.
The way I see it is that they can access the forms much easier because they aren't as pure as the U7 Saiyans but as a result they cant properly control the forms and can't use them to their full potential.
I think its because they are more 'peaceful' than U7 saiyans, so they are more emotional.
well after Califlua ask Goku about the tingly feeling(when talking about ssj2) Goku acknowledged that as factor. I think the universe 7 saiyans never really thought about it like that, because Goku discovered it when he was pissed . Also you need enough S cells and enough power as a base. I don't think the Universe 6 Saiyans a have never been furious enough or knew the feeling enough to do it.
I dont find it weird that they were able to achieve super saiyan so fast. they had refference... from "our" saiyans, they had examples and they felt them first hand. they even got some tips.
U7 saiyans on the other hand lived a life of oppression , either from their king or from frieza. they were enslaved and went through a genocide. The only refference our saiyans had was a myth... that somehow somewhere ages ago a super saiyan existed.
What if 6 super saiyan gods or super saiyan blues did the super saiyan god ritual would they unlock a further form or new type of god ki?
Of curiosity would you be able to do a series on the universe 6 saiyans being with the universe 7 or something just the universe 6
Masako: Super saiyan isn't something you can learn in just, DAYS
Goten: Am I a joke to you?
Well I'm pretty sure that Akira Toriyama actually responded to that saying the reason that they could turn Super Saiyan so early on was because their fathers already had the Super Saiyan transformations in their genes when they were conceived.
@@666ZX that's not genetics work
@@Moth-ManRemasters That's how it works in Dragon Ball.
You know, it always confused me on why people say that ssj was ruined by the U6 saiyans discovering how to access the form by having a “tingly feeling in their back”
I mean ssj has already become a pretty generic transformation for saiyans to go through, and I think that it lost its prestige once Goten and Trunks were able to turn ssj without any painful moment causing them to get it in a time of need.
I mean it’s not like they were getting the ssj 3 or something, I mean jeez 😒
Sonic but I mean it was simply a different avenue in getting the form, it didn’t discount the idea that anger was still not a viable method of getting ssj...
@@secoTheSonicFan Goten and Trunks were also explained very well S cells it made sense they were the children of super saiyan so it was easier for them
U6 Saiyans have no excuse other than they are stronger in base form and learn fast somehow
What if U6 had tails and/or have some sort of a method to transform into a SSJ4-Esque State?(Like Broly with his Wrath State)
Hard to call this more than a theory, but exactly what I'd want to see from the show!
You have single handily pleased the entire dragon ball community
What do you think of PlagueOfGripes "Gohan's Many Masks" video??? I think it was really interesting. Along with his other dragon ball videos Japan Hates Tien, Power levels video and U6 saiyans video (specifically kale and caulifla)
Masakox what if the frieza race can fuse like the namekians?
Interesting video.
Though I want to see a fight of Broly vs Kale and Caulifla.
At face value I chopped it up to the lack of tales as the main cause.
Then cabba mentioning that the original sayian world wasn't distroid. So it's possible that sayain civil war never happend or of it did it ended with a less violent/war hungry clan winning.
So if this was the case for U6 there people would not have the need evolve the pronounced sayain combat traits we see in U7 ( tails, Ozaro, and zenki). And while they had the potential for ss there was likely never a situation that pushed u6 sayian into triggering the change. At least not often enough it would be well known about.
They lacked the proper stimuli to activate the genes?
Hey Masako, I was wondering if you are going to make Juice to learn Instant Transmission in the Ginyu Force Force turned good what if.
Do u think if ssj4 and 5 were cannon could the U6 sayins do it. I don’t think they can cause they evolved away their tails since the transformation is mostly primal. So the limit is technically ssj3 for u6 saiyan, so then u7 saiyan are stronger since they have more transformations?
Also do u think the u6 sayin only reason they’re stronger is caused they survived? Since when goku is was a kid, Freiza destroyed every one of them except the ones right now, so in theory does that mean if the sayin race survived and made it would they be stronger or no?
This whole discussion just mskes me want to see a REAL Cumber arc. One where he is ashamed of what his descendants have become and vows to purge the race traitors by any means necessary. Because at this point Vegeta is even more of an outsider to the old Saiyan society than Goku: loving his family, training and fighting with low class as equals, defending earth, doing the "right" thing even if he doesn't want to because it's right. Hell he and new Bardock probably would understand each other pretty well.
It also makes sense that the "gentle" U6 would have an easier time transforming. Without tails, the source of Saiyan savagery, U6 saiyans have many more S Cells on average.
But it doesn't make sense how they were unable to transform at all
It seems like they're giving this idea to Giblet in Dragonball Legends since in that game's story, Giblet resents the modern saiyans (blood of the tainted) and is actively seeking to destroy them. Also makes sense why he was angered when he saw Goku go SSG
@@SSfan109 I hope the Legends story actually goes and finishes in a unique and new way, especially since we've been following it for what almost two years now?
It's got the best potential tbh
My head canon is that U6 saiyans are Hybrid whit humans/Turbles.
So they would have more or less Gohan potential and after a few generation no tail,like Goten and even more Potential.
It would also explain how Cabba is so strong.
Of course, the Oozaru power became something else in the hands of Broly and was far more intense than any other Saiyan Transformation prior. Given that it enabled Broly to compete with and overpower the SSG forms of Goku and Vegeta. As well as contest with SSB. This Primal power is perhaps where the tale of the Legendary Super Saiyan began originally. As one who could utilize the power of the Oozaru while maintaining their original appearance. Or it could be that the form more closely resembled the SS4 appearance from GT, but Broly's lack of a tail prevented it from going that far.
I can't wait til vegeta gets the chance to keep the rest of his promise to Caba
Universe 6 Saiyans probably have more S-Cells thanks to their more peaceful lifestyle. Allowing them to transform much easier than their U7 counterparts.
U6 Saiyans are weaker because they have no experience or training thanks to their peaceful lifestyle without warfare.
It makes them weak and complacent.
@@TheWarmachine375 I think it was implied that U6 Saiyans do train. For example, Kale being Caulifla's protege.
Cumber is the heights the Saiyans once attained. As Kreia might say to Goku and Vegeta, "were you to face an ancient Saiyan in battle, you would find that you are as children in a playground spat compared to the prowess of your ancestors."
Well cabba was swapping hands in base with a vegeta who went through god ki training. And he's not exactly stated to be an elite fighter. It's more than likely the opportunity never came up for a universe six Saiyan because of their higher strength in base.
No Vegeta was heavily supressed as stated in the Manga
@@yullalalo3298 even if he was do you think a Saiyan of a 2-3 thousand power level could even touch him. Because that was an above average power level for a universe seven saiyan. Vegeta wasn't fighting seriously but he wasn't suppressing himself to the point that cabba isn't comparable in base.
@@willdaniels9420 mhm true...
I just wonder; why are the universe 6 Saiyans so slender? even though they're warriors
My guess is that all these different universes are different tropes or genres . U6 represents modern anime , where many protagonists are slim and not buff. Just like U2 represents the "magical girl" trope ,U11 being a Sentai /superhero trope,or U9 is antihero or post-apocalyptic .
An anime cliche of characters who are skinny but stronger than they look, embodying the Muscles Are Meaningless trope.
I thought it was Toriyama doing his thing. Remember how nearly every main baddy didn't seem like much at first.
Well they are biologically different from the original saiyans. I guess they wanted to reflect that on the design.
U7 Saiyans probably relied on their physical power a lot more than U6. U6 saiyans probably have a very high level of ki control that allows them to enhance their bodies.
What about the Universe 6 Cumber and Yamoshi who would that be
Hey Masako, how do you think Dragon Ball Super will end?
I hope that when we see planet Sadala, it has large sections of its surface covered by jungles with lots of vegetation to play off the vegetable theme of the Saiyans.
Wonder how Shallot and Giblet will fit into all of this. Stores getting pretty interesting now.
So is there any reason why the U6 saiyans are twigs then?
I love Bardock, and I don't care what anyone says. I'm proud to say that!!
King Vegeta: Any Saiyan stronger than me is banished.
Prince Vegeta: Any Saiyan stronger than me better fight me.
Hey masako I'm a big fan I have a what if Idea it's what if the saying hybrids(gohan, goten, trunks etc) had the same love and passion for battle and training as their parents
"Super saiyan isn't something you can get in just a couple of days in universe 7" Dende, get the plot device I mean Time Chamber ready
That frowny image of kid Goku is amazing
Wasn’t it stated that you need to have a certain power level before you can go SSJ?
NoobMaster69 they’re already way past that power level
RebelliousKFC Obviously
Perfect Cell: "You rang?"
@@secoTheSonicFan PTSD
This was about true Power
Instinct vs Ego
Awareness/Discipline vs Narrow-mindedness/Hunger
Unity vs Classism
Progress vs Insanity
Doubt and Complacency vs Belief and Imagination
This was a very good analysis on how you can squander your own progress with unchecked Ego.
Goku was only able to go SSJ
when he trained himself to be in control of his spirit, body and mind.
Hence why Capt Ginyu couldnt even use his power...
To overxome his natural instinct and lust for battle, destroy to trade his selfish desire to beat Frieza and instead keep Frieza from taking any more life. Kt was made clear Frieza was not going to stop...and he wouldnt have transcended tp a God if it werent for the help of OTHER SUPER SAIYAINS that bestowed him with that power..basically
You have to provoke high emotion...
Commit to crazy disciplined training of self
pushing beyond your limits while keeping
Ki, Spirit, Mind, Emotions and Body in Sync (like Sage Chakra)
Pour everyrhing into it for a sigular Goal
and then control it...
"..power comes in response to a need, not a desire, you must create that need (leave yourself no choice but to sink or swim). Believe in yourself all the way"
To ascend, you cant just raise your "power level"...you have to "..let go Gohan" of all your inhibitions..there is No other way..
(like opening your chakras)
To Focus, but also allow the universe to flow through you...
The alternative theory is that some planet in Universe 6 ran into Sayans and wished they didn't know how to go super on their Dragon Balls.
I think the reason why no Pre-dragon ball saiyans achieved super saiyan for so long is because of their culture. They are cold blooded warriors, but the super saiyan transformation requires an emotional trigger. Being raised on earth, goku was more emotional than his saiyan predescessors.
Transforming in U7: Through anger and loss or something to that effect
Transforming in U6: Tingly feeling...
There was no reason for them to have an emotional breakdown to go super saiyan
It seems odd that Universe 6 Saiyans were able to access Super Saiyan quite easily when it took training, hard work and effort, and a bit of traumatized awakening for Universe 7 Saiyans to unlock Super Saiyan.
Then again, Goten and Present Trunks were able to access Super Saiyan as kids and there may be something that can rationally explain why the Universe 6 Saiyans were able to go Super Saiyan with no effort in their first time.
It still doesn't make sense why U6 Saiyans were able to access SSJ when they did not train or experience traumatic superpower awakening due to being naturally stronger in base form.
At least Goten and present Trunks had the excuse of training which unlocked their SSJ forms as kids.
Ok, who tf is havarock?? Masako keeps saying his name, but I can't find him anywhere
what if would happen if goku trains caulifla?
So... In Universe 7, Yamoshi the Super Saiyan God lost to the Legendary Super Saiyan of old, which caused the Universe 7 Saiyans to revere the normal Super Saiyan form and forget about God.
In Universe 6 however, their Yamoshi equivalent was victorious over the Legendary Super Saiyan and the form was demonised (literally) into "Demonic Super Saiyan" (which is what they call Kale's form in the Manga), which is why they were scared of her form.
Possible future topic for you to cover: Why hasn't Goku or Vegeta used the dragon balls to wish back planet Vegeta or at least their Saiyan relatives?
Hey masako i have an idea for a discussion its what if mr satan told the truth about the cell games
Because they're not from Universe 7
Goodnight, everybody!
Vegeta makes mention of the Legendary Super Saiyan form in the dub when Kale transforms, and that line always confused me. Is the Legendary Super Saiyan the golden-haired Super Saiyan form that Goku achieved, Vegeta copied, and Gohan, Goten and Trunks all just sort of inhereted, is it the later Super Saiyan God form requiring rituals until Vegeta sort of just YOLOs his way to it, or is it the berserk form Broly and Kale unlock for... reasons? Do the legends of the Super Saiyan power consist of multiple stories that speak of all of these forms, with the defining characteristics of each transformation lost to time as the stories are told, retold and mistold? Do all of these transformations stem from the same accumulation of power?
Let's be honest, it's all just marketting and merchandising, with a showrunner that has a habit of making everything up as he goes along, rather than making any longterm plans for the series.
released 23 seconds ago, what a bruh moment
I'd be interested in a video comparing Kale and Broly (dbs) and why there is such a power gap.
hen are we going to get the legendary super human transformation? ^^
I'm still holding out for the Maximum OverSaiyan.
@@MasakoX I always played idea that humans should have gotten their own transformation. Or at least learning the kaioken with them being the ones to master and perfect it where goku couldn't Since humans are crafty and always creating new techniques or improving old ones, I always thought that been something they would been able to do. Hell even got some fanart of videl performing it and even attained a transformation through it somehow.
But does seem saiyans always be unlocking new transformations and leaving everyone even further behind.
Theyre arguably stronger if you think of it in terms of potential. They improved a lot faster than universe 7 saiyans. Even if it was just for plot.
You must actually be joking. 3 random universe 6 saiyans have access to ssj2, and they are just kids/teens. They are much stronger than goten and trunks. Universe 7 saiyans (before they were destroyed) had power levels in the low thousands - nappa had a power level of 4,000 and he was considered a saiyan elite
Universe 6 saiyans seems to be more advanced. Even they just discovered the transformation, but they managed to get to ssj 2 in a real short time period.
I just believe U6 saiyans had to be atleast relevant in power levels to U7 saiyans in order to move the story and plot along.
Wouldn't Tora and Mira be canon at this point since they show up in DBZ Kakarot?
Universe 6 saiyan's would not strong if the plot didn't demand them to be strong within a minute